I miss this Ward. I mean it was great to see Brett Dolton's range with was Ward/Hive ended up being but man, that twist destroyed a lot of dynamics, the one between Skye and Ward especially. And shooting down any redemption arc in sight. These two were so playful and funny but became so cold and hard in the end. Idk, I just miss these cute and beautiful moments between *these* two.
Of course there COULD have been. (Which doesn't mean there HAD to be.) There have been redemption arcs for people who have done much worse (even Darth Vader, who was responsible for murders of millions and billions of people). The idea that "there could never be a redemption arc" for someone because they did X, Y and Z doesn't make sense. Redemption is not supposed to mean repaying a number of bad deeds with a number of good deeds or a certain amount of punishment, where you check the list to see if the numbers match, as if it's literally about paying something back. This kind of misinterpretation is why I sort of hate the word "redemption" and prefer the word "rehabilitation". It is simply supposed to mean: understand that you've done wrong, accept responsibility, show remorse, make an effort to change, stop doing bad things, start doing good things instead. In real life, you're supposed to at least try to rehabilitate criminals. That's what penal systems are supposed to be about. (Well, maybe people in USA and other countries that haven't abolished death penalty feel differently about it. But even there, prisons are at least theoretically supposed to be, among other things about trying to rehabilitate prisoners... even though it usually doesn't go that way in practice, and few people seem to care to give anyone a second chance.) And in the religious sense, which is where the concept of "redemption" comes from, it is supposed to be about winning the salvation of your soul through genuine repentance, and acceptance of good. (I'm not religious, but the concept is religious, or was originally.) The idea is that even the worst sinner can repent and be redeemed, and there is no point at which someone becomes unredeemable by something they've done - only by losing hope and giving up to evil completely.
Yea, I agree. I actually liked the twist alot but it costed the show more than it could afford. The things they made Ward do in the finale and after was short sighted. I really think they wrote themselves into a corner. They destroyed the dynamic that alot of people in season 1 grew to love about the show. IMO even after the twist they could have done much more with Ward. He was so under used.
***** I find it really hard to compare Bucky and Loki, since they are completely different and on the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of responsibility for what they have done. And Ward is very different from both, and somewhere in between in terms of how much he was victimized and how much sympathy I feel for him and how much he can be blamed for his crimes. Bucky had no free will at all when committing his murders, the type of mind control/brainwashing that was done to him was the kind of completely removes personal agency (very SciFi - the kind that doesn't happen in real life). He's literally programmed, like a robot. That's why he is clearly a victim and does not really bear responsibility for the crimes he committed.The tension with him is more about whether he can be trusted to be completely healed/free of programming and not a danger anymore. But it's wrong to blame him for the murders as you would someone who did them out of their own free will. His case is therefore pretty simple. Loki, on the other hand, did everything out of his own free will. He wasn't coerced by anyone in any way, or even manipulated. These were all his own decisions. And the things he did are awful on a really large scale - he tries to commit genocide in 'Thor' (which many fans don't seem to care about, because it's about an alien race that's seen in the antagonist role), then he tries to enslave the human race in 'The Avengers'. Now, Loki is a fun character, and Tom Hiddleston is great, but I really don't understand people who woobify him His 'sympathetic backstory' is really not all that tragic at all. He felt overshadowed by his brother and felt sibling jealousy over Odin loving Thor more - that's something a lot of people can relate to, but Loki wasn't abused, he didn't have a terrible life growing up, in fact Frigga, Thor and Odin himself all clearly love him, and he got a really nice upbringing overall, and a really privileged one compared to the majority of people in Asgard or on Earth or anywhere. I find it really hard feeling sympathy for him over the fact that feels resentful that Odin wanted Thor to succeed him on the throne. Loki shows an incredible amount of entitlement. And I'm sure it must be difficult to find out you're adopted, especially if it turns out your people are really those who you always saw as your enemies. But his reaction is really beyond extreme. For me, it's about the discrepancy between the degree of victimization (really low in Loki's case) and the magnitude of his crimes. Loki was not an abuse victim and does not have a genuinely terrible backstory like Ward. Loki's sympathetic backstory is on the level of tragicness of Tony Stark - who's another spoiled bratty prince from a privileged background who has emotional problems and issues over his relationship with his father. But Tony's dysfuncion just manifests or have manisted in things like, drinking, sleeping around, acting self-centered, being rude to people. He messes up due to his ego, but he's still a hero, trying to do the right things and save the world. If all Loki did was get drunk and be rude to people at parties, I'd defend him, too. Now I don't hate Loki or anything, he's an enjoyable character, but it's bizarre that there are MCU fans who find it harder to forgive Tony Stark for being a bit of a jerk and saying annoying things, than Loki for genocide and mass murder. And while I'm left scratching my head when some AoS fans claim that Ward was given second chances (when? Since he was captured in season 1 finale, they made zero attempts to rehabilitate him), that's exactly the case with Loki: Thor refused to give up on him, insisted that Loki should be treated differently as his brother, gave him chances, and Loki's answer every time was "No". Even when we're made to think Loki has finally redeemed himself through a sacrificial death in "The Dark World". it turns out it was a ruse and he really had an agenda. I find it interesting that Ward's character elicits such extreme reactions from fans, and that there's so much controversy and angry debates between Ward haters and Ward defenders (to put it that way), but I haven't seen anything like that over Loki. At least I haven't seen angry rants by people arguing that Loki must never be given a redemption arc etc. I think it's because everything regarding Loki, Asgardian gods, aliens, mind control... it all feels so removed from real life. On the other hand, AoS may be a SciFi show, but non-superpowered human men who are simply highly trained operatives, ruthless killers and murderers in service of some organization or other? Damaged, angry, desperate teenage boys from abusive backgrounds and with juvenile records, getting recruited by evil mentor figures to use their violent streak and their need for belonging to make them work for shady and evil organizations and movements, ‘brainwashing’ them not in the SciFi, Manchurian candidate/Winter Soldier manner, but with the good old fashioned grooming techniques? both the things Ward did and the things that were done to him, are all uncomfortably close to real life.
Josh Yord more like screw you Marvel! Hydra didn't kill Ward, Marvel entertainment did even though they knew how much the fans loved Skyeward. Even Chloe and Brett shipped Skyeward!
The Normal Average Boy Season 2: SOS Part 1 Ward and Kara are torturing Bobbi. BOBBI I bet he started you off easy. A symbolic target? Maybe the doctor who made your mask? Ward probably started off easy, too. KARA You're right. It was his dog. Garrett made him kill his dog.
Just because he didn't get a redemption arc didn't make him "cartoonish" or "with little depth". What is it with people expecting that any character that isn't one-dimensionally evil MUST get a redemption arc? It's been so overdone at this point. Sometimes people just go down the wrong path and get worse instead of better. Actually, I'm pretty sure that's very common in real life. How many criminals get "redemption" in real life, as opposed to just getting worse, because society doesn't really give second chances, and it's difficult to try to fight that and try to genuinely change for the better.
+FrakkinToaster Luvva I get what your saying it was realistic. That does happen in real life. I have no problem with AoS portraying the cycle of abuse all the way to the end. My problem is the narrative framing of the show. They had an opportunity to at the very least acknowledge how Shield was partly at fault for Ward's demise. Because I'm sorry you can't call yourself "the good guys" & tell an mentally ill abused man that he should try harder to kill himself or offer him up to his abusive brother for political favors. I don't blame the team for being angry at him that is completely understandable. I do think the writers went too far though. They treated him like he wasnt even a human being.
+jockadoobee I think the great majority left for other reasons than Skye and Ward… like thinking the show was going to have Avenger cameos every week instead of being about Shield.
I think the reasons why AoS got so much flak in early season 1 (and often continues to get from people who never bothered to continue watching) was because people were disappointed at first by what the show seemed to be. Marvel fans were expecting a lot from the first MCU TV show, got disappointed that there weren't comic book characters (at the time), none of the main characters had superpowers, and there weren't enough appearances by movie characters. At the same time, Joss Whedon fans were disappointed that the show seemed to be just a procedural that didn't seem particularly original or risky, plus many jumped ship the moment they realized Joss was not going to be involved past the pilot. I think Skye and Ward (and Chloe Bennet and Brett Dalton) were just easy targets for complaints. "Oh look, gorgeous actors with few previous acting credits. Let's call them talentless!" "Oh look, another young hot chick who's supposed to have some sort of special destiny. Such a Mary Sue (like all female characters who are supposed to have special destinies. No one calls Luke Skyewalker or Harry Potter Mary Sues, but Skye or Rey in Star Wars - Mary Sue!) How dare she take the attention away from the dude we know from Marvel movies." "Oh look, this character is a stereotypical young hot white male action hero, and clearly there to be eye candy for the women. Let's complain that he's bland and boring." 60% of characters on US TV could be called just as stereotypical/bland/boring/annoying, but they aren't on TV shows which had such inflated audience expectations.
They could have really done more to explore it, especially considering how much chemistry Chloe and Brett have in real life. There's an entire middle part of season 1, mostly while Ward was sleeping with May, when he and Skye didn't even interact that much. Then the show flipped it and went back to setting up Skye and Ward just 2-3 episodes before the Hydra reveal.
I hate to say it but I think Sousa is gonna die in episode 11 because in the trailer when Daisy’s sister (Kora) says she can make S.H.I.E.L.D. better by killing people she burns someone alive and it looked like it was Sousa
It's amazing rewatching this after the finale and seeing how much not only thw characters but also actors have evolved. Sure, Chloe was great as the funny new girl but later in the seasons she really delivered some of the best acting of the show. She really showed that Skye/Daisy isn't just a quirky girl with some powers but a character that is flawed, makes mistakes but at the end of the day is just very human. I really wish her the best in the future and I hope she can appear as Daisy again some day, even as just a cameo.
Screen tests usually have nothing to do with the actual show, keeping it under wraps while still being able to test out how well they can act alone and together.
They will forever be the best ship and power couple on AoS! Brett and Chloe are also the best ship captains anyone could ever ask for! Miss them together
Why was this never a scene? It's a treasure. Pity they spat all over their beautiful chemistry and didn't give them the follow through they deserved in the writing department. Even with Ward's betrayal. It could have been so good.
That's a really silly comment. How does it badly compare? In budget and production values? Duh. Otherwise, I much prefer all the MCU TV shows to MCU movies, because, with the exception of The Winter Soldier and Civil War, all MCU movies follow the same formula and have become really predictable.
Oh my gosh... what is this beauty!?? What did we do to deserve to see this!?!?? Thank you so much Marvel for letting us see brett and chloe's first screen test!!!
Depeds on what you mean by hooking up. They kissed three times, but that's as far as it went, due to the the fact that, minutes after the second kiss, she found out the dead body of a man Ward killed to maintain his cover and realized that Ward was a double agent.
Kevin Link What 2 days?? They had been kissing passionately one moment, and she found out literally minutes afterwards, when she found Koenig's dead body and realized Ward was Hydra. And then just minutes after, Ward came back and she was hiding in the closet, terrified and crying, and then after a while came out and pretended everything was all right, after having left the team the message "Ward is Hydra". He was trying to get her to crack the hard drive all that time, that was his mission by Garrett and why he came back to the Bus in the first place (of course, he pretended Fitz had contacted him and said they needed something from that drive), and he took her to the diner where she claimed she had to unlock the hard drive (she said it was location based - that was a lie). And she didn't try to escape, she alerted the police and tried to get him and herself arrested. All of this took place in just few hours.
FrakkinToaster Luvva I was saying they started the first time they kissed which was the episode where we found out Ward was hydra. Then he free'd Garret and they went to raid places. Then he found out where Skye and the others were. He met up with skye. Then one day later skye found out. Two days
+Abundant&UnhealthyObsessions The change is what makes it real and fresh every season. I personally think it's fun and awesome to look back on how these characters started out.
Because the story demanded it, they made a risk, and it made such an interesting point of the show. Seriously, the whole SHILED=Hydra brought the show to a good point (in which it became better onwards), and Ward became so interesting from that point on. It's part of what made him a really good character
The best SkyeWard scenes were those after it was revealed he was Hydra. That made for some incredible drama and original writing (and amazing dramatic acting). Before that, it was just a cute ship, there are tons of such ships all over TV.
Doris D. it sucks now that he's gone. He was there from the start and grew as something worthy of watching. I was really hoping for something that could get Skye and Ward together again too, but i got that the vision of the writers were something else. Sadly, he's gone. If i want to see some of Ward's best moments, i'll just go back in the past 3 seasons.
I waited till end of season 7 for Ward's redemption arc. He was so perfect as an agent of shield and most intelligent of all. The show could have been on some other level If ward was on Good Side as It would have hard for writers to write an worthy opponent to Ward. Ward was the James Bond of the Agent Of Shield.
Man, I miss Brett Dalton. I honestly think they went the completely wrong way with the character of Ward after season 2, even though it did give Dalton a chance to be a chameleon. Even season 3 had a perfect opportunity to start anew with Ward dead. If they had figured out a way to kill and extract Hive from the body, maybe they could have had a Ward who was basically brand new with no memories from the past. Basically a new person. I feel the show misses his charisma.
I'm not sure why you're asking me that, but since you did - a few days ago I was joking (or not really joking) on a Buffy forum that he could be a child of Faith and Angel/Angelus. Ward makes me think of an unredeemed Faith who has worked for the Mayor for 15 years without being detected, and at the same time, his role in season 1, in particular, feels like a non-supernatural version of season 2 Angel.
Man I miss Skye! I mean yeah I love Daisy, she's tough and has had to grow up and make hard choices really quickly, but she's also been hard as nails from her introduction in my mind. Skye was always this adorable snarker that I absolutely still want to be when I grow up
After everything she has been throught , she couldnt stay the same adorable/naive homeless girl... not after ward, her parents and Lincoln ... it would be unrealistic, though I hope she can have a break and fun a lighter season for once!
for me, she still has lots of adorable moments, it just more fits to her badasssery. if you also watch the ''ladies night'' in season 6, then you know what im talking about
Skyeward has such great chemistry. Honestly I feel like after the season 1 betrayal he should’ve been given a shot at redemption. He was swayed by a powerful father figure that he never had in his own household. And at the beginning of season 2 it looked like he was kind of changed. I just wish they would’ve gone with that instead of making him the villain that the team never get over.
Problem is she was never supposed to be Skye permanently. they were laying Easter eggs from the minute we saw her that she was a Marvel super hero. I figured it out before they revealed it that she was Daisy Johnson AKA Quake. As a huge comic book reader that was a very fun part for me. Especially when I found out that I was right
Oh man, I hope with the multiverse thing happening, they manage to squeeze in SkyeWard somewhere. Maybe What If...? if there's more seasons where they could explore what happens if Ward chooses to turn away from Garrett and help Team Coulson instead
I get it... I still kinda liked lincoln as a character though. He strived for his teammates trust, he really did love sky, and had epic powers. He was a good alternative to ward after he became hive and now they are both dead...
They flipped the genders on this show, which made it fresh. Most shows have the hot lady say lines like "please be joking" and the guy says "marriage sucks". I don't know of any other show where the hot woman is the comic relief on a show with males present.
Let's be honest, It's Marvel. If they wanted to make a way for him to return, they could certainly do it. Not that it's a bad thing because it's not, Brett and Chloe are/were like the Top 2 in the show(IMO)
Well, 3-4 months since Brett's been off the show and his face still makes me smile like a loon. Also, I'm glad they used the name "Daphne". If they'd used my real name by some coincidence, I would've been rolling on the floor dying of laughter. Loved this.
I loved that they didn’t put skye and ward together... that would’ve been such a predictable, cliched and trite move on the writer’s part... I love that award betrayed all of them because that’s real life... you get betrayed by people closest to you... u don’t always get the person that you want... plus it paved the way for a compelling complicated relationship with Lincoln... AoS could’ve been a CW show but instead it challenges the audience with grit, heart and pain.
Thing is I would use terms like predictable & cliched to described the relationship between Daisy & Lincoln as well. Biggest problem is Daisy/Lincoln had a fraction of the kind of chemistry Daisy/Ward displayed.
Papadoc1981 but the relationships was never meant to last which made it great. Even if he hadn’t died I think they wouldn’t have lasted. But it’s one of those relationships that you need to learn something or help you grow. She had an interesting relationship with Ghost Rider. And even now with Zeke.
I wish they could write better ways to help Daisy grow as a character than to focus so much of it on who's the next boy toy for her to get attached too and lose. Because we lost one of the better characters on the show(Ward) and another character(Lincoln) who's whole story was built around how best he can be utilized to build Daisy. Should have never brought in Ghost Rider because he was a great addition and yet he was barely used which hurts the show. Too early to tell with how Deke will turn out.
Byron Vasquez Jr. Her relationship with Lincoln was also predictable and cliche - at times it was written like Skyeward 2.0 if Ward hadn't been a double agent - only with far less chemistry and more forced. It only became interesting and complicated when she was swayed by Hive (in other words, her relationship with Lincoln only became interesting and well written after it fell apart... Kind of like her relationship with Ward, I guess). I'd love it if people stopped looking for her new love interest on every corner. She hasn't actually had one since season 3. They could have gone that way with Robbie, but nothing happened and that's good - even though there was some spark there. Deke and her have just been frenemies, and they are fun that way, but I don't see any romantic chemistry between them and I hope the show won't try to force some kind of romance there. Enough of forced romances, it's not the CW, characters can stay single for a while!
I actually liked his character arc of being revealed has Hydra but I would have LOVED for that season 2 idea of him getting his memories taken away and then we could have seen him go through SHIELD training all over again and become the great agent he could've been and then maybe he could eventually win over Skye and wow that could've been great. LOL.
They really should bring him back and give him his own Netflix series, how awesome would that be, maybe it'll be called "Marvel's Ward" or "Marvel's The Irredeemable Agent".
really marvel, really? I was in a move on stage but then this..... you guys just made me sad even more by posting this and remembering all the skyeward stuff that I'd been watched this passed 3years sorrow..... sorrow.... *sobs* *wiping tears* R. I. P Skyeward, maybe in other life made this cute couple real.... *fingers crossed*
Damn, she was actually kinda hotter back then than she is now. But this just shows better chemistry than I saw on the show, and what would have made for a perfect couple, which is just annoying me no end. I want Skye to be with the love of her life. BRING BACK WARD.
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That was just so hilarious.
Also, personal headcannon: This is how they acted in the Framework. This is why they got together while working for Hydra.
😂😂😂😂 I love this
I miss this Ward. I mean it was great to see Brett Dolton's range with was Ward/Hive ended up being but man, that twist destroyed a lot of dynamics, the one between Skye and Ward especially. And shooting down any redemption arc in sight. These two were so playful and funny but became so cold and hard in the end. Idk, I just miss these cute and beautiful moments between *these* two.
Of course there COULD have been. (Which doesn't mean there HAD to be.) There have been redemption arcs for people who have done much worse (even Darth Vader, who was responsible for murders of millions and billions of people).
The idea that "there could never be a redemption arc" for someone because they did X, Y and Z doesn't make sense. Redemption is not supposed to mean repaying a number of bad deeds with a number of good deeds or a certain amount of punishment, where you check the list to see if the numbers match, as if it's literally about paying something back. This kind of misinterpretation is why I sort of hate the word "redemption" and prefer the word "rehabilitation". It is simply supposed to mean: understand that you've done wrong, accept responsibility, show remorse, make an effort to change, stop doing bad things, start doing good things instead.
In real life, you're supposed to at least try to rehabilitate criminals. That's what penal systems are supposed to be about. (Well, maybe people in USA and other countries that haven't abolished death penalty feel differently about it. But even there, prisons are at least theoretically supposed to be, among other things about trying to rehabilitate prisoners... even though it usually doesn't go that way in practice, and few people seem to care to give anyone a second chance.)
And in the religious sense, which is where the concept of "redemption" comes from, it is supposed to be about winning the salvation of your soul through genuine repentance, and acceptance of good. (I'm not religious, but the concept is religious, or was originally.) The idea is that even the worst sinner can repent and be redeemed, and there is no point at which someone becomes unredeemable by something they've done - only by losing hope and giving up to evil completely.
Yea, I agree. I actually liked the twist alot but it costed the show more than it could afford. The things they made Ward do in the finale and after was short sighted. I really think they wrote themselves into a corner. They destroyed the dynamic that alot of people in season 1 grew to love about the show. IMO even after the twist they could have done much more with Ward. He was so under used.
*****
I find it really hard to compare Bucky and Loki, since they are completely different and on the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of responsibility for what they have done. And Ward is very different from both, and somewhere in between in terms of how much he was victimized and how much sympathy I feel for him and how much he can be blamed for his crimes.
Bucky had no free will at all when committing his murders, the type of mind control/brainwashing that was done to him was the kind of completely removes personal agency (very SciFi - the kind that doesn't happen in real life). He's literally programmed, like a robot. That's why he is clearly a victim and does not really bear responsibility for the crimes he committed.The tension with him is more about whether he can be trusted to be completely healed/free of programming and not a danger anymore. But it's wrong to blame him for the murders as you would someone who did them out of their own free will. His case is therefore pretty simple.
Loki, on the other hand, did everything out of his own free will. He wasn't coerced by anyone in any way, or even manipulated. These were all his own decisions. And the things he did are awful on a really large scale - he tries to commit genocide in 'Thor' (which many fans don't seem to care about, because it's about an alien race that's seen in the antagonist role), then he tries to enslave the human race in 'The Avengers'. Now, Loki is a fun character, and Tom Hiddleston is great, but I really don't understand people who woobify him His 'sympathetic backstory' is really not all that tragic at all. He felt overshadowed by his brother and felt sibling jealousy over Odin loving Thor more - that's something a lot of people can relate to, but Loki wasn't abused, he didn't have a terrible life growing up, in fact Frigga, Thor and Odin himself all clearly love him, and he got a really nice upbringing overall, and a really privileged one compared to the majority of people in Asgard or on Earth or anywhere. I find it really hard feeling sympathy for him over the fact that feels resentful that Odin wanted Thor to succeed him on the throne. Loki shows an incredible amount of entitlement. And I'm sure it must be difficult to find out you're adopted, especially if it turns out your people are really those who you always saw as your enemies. But his reaction is really beyond extreme. For me, it's about the discrepancy between the degree of victimization (really low in Loki's case) and the magnitude of his crimes. Loki was not an abuse victim and does not have a genuinely terrible backstory like Ward. Loki's sympathetic backstory is on the level of tragicness of Tony Stark - who's another spoiled bratty prince from a privileged background who has emotional problems and issues over his relationship with his father. But Tony's dysfuncion just manifests or have manisted in things like, drinking, sleeping around, acting self-centered, being rude to people. He messes up due to his ego, but he's still a hero, trying to do the right things and save the world. If all Loki did was get drunk and be rude to people at parties, I'd defend him, too. Now I don't hate Loki or anything, he's an enjoyable character, but it's bizarre that there are MCU fans who find it harder to forgive Tony Stark for being a bit of a jerk and saying annoying things, than Loki for genocide and mass murder. And while I'm left scratching my head when some AoS fans claim that Ward was given second chances (when? Since he was captured in season 1 finale, they made zero attempts to rehabilitate him), that's exactly the case with Loki: Thor refused to give up on him, insisted that Loki should be treated differently as his brother, gave him chances, and Loki's answer every time was "No". Even when we're made to think Loki has finally redeemed himself through a sacrificial death in "The Dark World". it turns out it was a ruse and he really had an agenda.
I find it interesting that Ward's character elicits such extreme reactions from fans, and that there's so much controversy and angry debates between Ward haters and Ward defenders (to put it that way), but I haven't seen anything like that over Loki. At least I haven't seen angry rants by people arguing that Loki must never be given a redemption arc etc. I think it's because everything regarding Loki, Asgardian gods, aliens, mind control... it all feels so removed from real life. On the other hand, AoS may be a SciFi show, but non-superpowered human men who are simply highly trained operatives, ruthless killers and murderers in service of some organization or other? Damaged, angry, desperate teenage boys from abusive backgrounds and with juvenile records, getting recruited by evil mentor figures to use their violent streak and their need for belonging to make them work for shady and evil organizations and movements, ‘brainwashing’ them not in the SciFi, Manchurian candidate/Winter Soldier manner, but with the good old fashioned grooming techniques? both the things Ward did and the things that were done to him, are all uncomfortably close to real life.
That's why I'm rewatching the first season for the 4th time xD
Carmen K Why the chicks like the bad guys?
R.I.P. Skyeward. Screw you Hydra.
You read my mind
lol
HAIL SKYEWARD!!!!!
Josh Yord more like screw you Marvel! Hydra didn't kill Ward, Marvel entertainment did even though they knew how much the fans loved Skyeward. Even Chloe and Brett shipped Skyeward!
good thing it can still live on in the framework
"Just because I didn't memorize the name of your childhood dog!"
It was Buddy. And he killed him.
allegedly
+Logan smith It's just a joke, but if you really want to go there, Ward later admitted to killing the dog. So, not allegedly.
lol
+ShadowCat he just scared the dog away with a gunshot, he didn't kill it
The Normal Average Boy
Season 2: SOS Part 1
Ward and Kara are torturing Bobbi.
BOBBI
I bet he started you off easy. A symbolic target? Maybe the doctor who made your mask? Ward probably started off easy, too.
KARA
You're right. It was his dog. Garrett made him kill his dog.
"Well, I'm gonna die."
I mean, you're not wrong...
*You didn't just-*
still not over it.
A few times
this thread is amazing
TOO SOON
I low key wish we had a miniseries of Skye and Ward doing just bits like this.
It'd be fun
uy who played him definitely got on of the best characters
The guy*
Just because he didn't get a redemption arc didn't make him "cartoonish" or "with little depth".
What is it with people expecting that any character that isn't one-dimensionally evil MUST get a redemption arc? It's been so overdone at this point. Sometimes people just go down the wrong path and get worse instead of better. Actually, I'm pretty sure that's very common in real life. How many criminals get "redemption" in real life, as opposed to just getting worse, because society doesn't really give second chances, and it's difficult to try to fight that and try to genuinely change for the better.
+FrakkinToaster Luvva I get what your saying it was realistic. That does happen in real life. I have no problem with AoS portraying the cycle of abuse all the way to the end. My problem is the narrative framing of the show. They had an opportunity to at the very least acknowledge how Shield was partly at fault for Ward's demise.
Because I'm sorry you can't call yourself "the good guys" & tell an mentally ill abused man that he should try harder to kill himself or offer him up to his abusive brother for political favors.
I don't blame the team for being angry at him that is completely understandable. I do think the writers went too far though. They treated him like he wasnt even a human being.
Oh man, Brett Dalton nailed it from the very beginning to the very end... I miss you so much Brett!!!!!
He's back
I'm screaming. Why did they waste this chemistry again?
+jockadoobee "everybody"? I didn't, I know plenty of people who didn't 🙄
+jockadoobee I think the great majority left for other reasons than Skye and Ward… like thinking the show was going to have Avenger cameos every week instead of being about Shield.
I think the reasons why AoS got so much flak in early season 1 (and often continues to get from people who never bothered to continue watching) was because people were disappointed at first by what the show seemed to be. Marvel fans were expecting a lot from the first MCU TV show, got disappointed that there weren't comic book characters (at the time), none of the main characters had superpowers, and there weren't enough appearances by movie characters. At the same time, Joss Whedon fans were disappointed that the show seemed to be just a procedural that didn't seem particularly original or risky, plus many jumped ship the moment they realized Joss was not going to be involved past the pilot.
I think Skye and Ward (and Chloe Bennet and Brett Dalton) were just easy targets for complaints. "Oh look, gorgeous actors with few previous acting credits. Let's call them talentless!" "Oh look, another young hot chick who's supposed to have some sort of special destiny. Such a Mary Sue (like all female characters who are supposed to have special destinies. No one calls Luke Skyewalker or Harry Potter Mary Sues, but Skye or Rey in Star Wars - Mary Sue!) How dare she take the attention away from the dude we know from Marvel movies." "Oh look, this character is a stereotypical young hot white male action hero, and clearly there to be eye candy for the women. Let's complain that he's bland and boring." 60% of characters on US TV could be called just as stereotypical/bland/boring/annoying, but they aren't on TV shows which had such inflated audience expectations.
Harry potter is kind of a mary sue though - it's kinda the point. It's so you can relate to them. Hermione in the movies is also a mary sue.
Because it was too predictable
So first they kill of Ward ruining all the chances of skyeward ever happening and then they release this my feelings are all over the place
Chances of Skyeward happened when Skye shot Ward 5 times when he wasn't looking and wanted him dead
+Kevin Link 4 times not 5
Secret Warrior yeah because that matters
+Kevin Link It does to me and I didn't mean it in a rude way.
Secret Warrior oh okay
Until 35 seconds into this I thought it was bad acting, but holy s*** was I wrong
Me too
Same we have been proven wrong
idk it was kinda joke here, but it's all good in the drama tho
Same
This scene had more Skyeward chemistry than the entire first half of Season 1 AoS
They could have really done more to explore it, especially considering how much chemistry Chloe and Brett have in real life. There's an entire middle part of season 1, mostly while Ward was sleeping with May, when he and Skye didn't even interact that much. Then the show flipped it and went back to setting up Skye and Ward just 2-3 episodes before the Hydra reveal.
So true 🤣
Remember in season 1 when everything was okay?
:(
Until "they" realized in a world of Avengers movies, people will only watch a show about the ordinary guys for so long...
Ikrrrr I always thought and reminisced at how season 1 was when everything was still okay
I hate to say it but I think Sousa is gonna die in episode 11 because in the trailer when Daisy’s sister (Kora) says she can make S.H.I.E.L.D. better by killing people she burns someone alive and it looked like it was Sousa
yeah, just a regular shield crime fighting team with no hydra agents in their midst. ah, the good old days.
Ikr...
It's amazing rewatching this after the finale and seeing how much not only thw characters but also actors have evolved. Sure, Chloe was great as the funny new girl but later in the seasons she really delivered some of the best acting of the show. She really showed that Skye/Daisy isn't just a quirky girl with some powers but a character that is flawed, makes mistakes but at the end of the day is just very human. I really wish her the best in the future and I hope she can appear as Daisy again some day, even as just a cameo.
Skye-"so do I get a gun?"
Ward-"please be joking!?" Walks out
Skye-"marriage sucks"
😂
I love how she keeps flirting and touching him...teasing him. How can you not love Chloe. She is so adorable. Brett is great too, he's so hot. :)
Tea is hot darling
If I could grow my beard and look the way he did with his beard, I would be sooooo happy.
@@jeffpitts1544 give it a shot. You've got nothing to lose...you can always shave it off.
I love how FUNNY they are together. Chloe teases and Brett is just cynical enough to feed it. It's amazing.
I love being touched
wow this was their screen test?? Fantastic
Please ABC greenlight a spy comedy show starring these two.
Connor C that would rule
AOS but it has nothing to do with Marvel and everyone is happy... I could get behind this
Chloe's cuteness in this video is something else.
So ... was Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. originally supposed to be a comedy, like The Office? lol
Probably. They're actually doing Damage Control now which is supposedly more comedic and Office-y like this.
Screen tests usually have nothing to do with the actual show, keeping it under wraps while still being able to test out how well they can act alone and together.
Kind of wish it was after seeing this lol
Screen tests are just a random scene to see how an actor looks on screen or how a certain number of actors work together.
this is really just to test the chemistry....
Skyeward FEELS are strong here ❤
😢
True 😭😭😭
ikr
Skyeward forever
They will forever be the best ship and power couple on AoS! Brett and Chloe are also the best ship captains anyone could ever ask for! Miss them together
I will love and miss SkyeWard forever....I just hope I will have the chance to see Brett and Chloe play again together
Me too. I hope they get another show together in the future.
fingers crossed
lost alina your wish is granted!! 😊😊😊👍
I hope skye and ward will get a spin off (I know that it will never happen)
awww I miss Ward so much😢. I wish he redeemed himself
This is not CW
They did in season 4 in the framework where he was a good guy
Why was this never a scene? It's a treasure. Pity they spat all over their beautiful chemistry and didn't give them the follow through they deserved in the writing department. Even with Ward's betrayal. It could have been so good.
i agree Brett was so fun and great, really they should have just did something else with his character instead of the arc they put him on.
so we aren't in enough pain and they are posting it now that Brett is gone,great job Marvel,great job amd bye
yea sigh but nobody would watch a perfectly predictable tvshow right
+Hui Ruby no,but still I won't watch this show anymore
give AoS a second chance
Yo, Brett is back!
Brett is fckin back haha
My god, these two had chemistry right from the start! What an awesome scene!
this show is really awesome, it's funny to me it gets a bunch of hate. It's better than tons of shows out there.
yes I don't understand all the hate its so good
because its a poor show compare to the mcu films
+JPSexy4Ever it's a good show just cause I'd not as good as a multi billion dollar movie doesn't mean it isn't good
That's a really silly comment. How does it badly compare? In budget and production values? Duh.
Otherwise, I much prefer all the MCU TV shows to MCU movies, because, with the exception of The Winter Soldier and Civil War, all MCU movies follow the same formula and have become really predictable.
I agree with you Eddie Brock
Oh my gosh... what is this beauty!?? What did we do to deserve to see this!?!?? Thank you so much Marvel for letting us see brett and chloe's first screen test!!!
I love this television couple, I never get tired of watching them. in fact the chapters that are not they I have only seen once.
I wish their characters had hooked up at least once.
Didn't they?
Depeds on what you mean by hooking up. They kissed three times, but that's as far as it went, due to the the fact that, minutes after the second kiss, she found out the dead body of a man Ward killed to maintain his cover and realized that Ward was a double agent.
+Rock Lara like 2 days before Skye found out Ward was evil then she fake went out with him until she tried to escape
Kevin Link
What 2 days?? They had been kissing passionately one moment, and she found out literally minutes afterwards, when she found Koenig's dead body and realized Ward was Hydra. And then just minutes after, Ward came back and she was hiding in the closet, terrified and crying, and then after a while came out and pretended everything was all right, after having left the team the message "Ward is Hydra". He was trying to get her to crack the hard drive all that time, that was his mission by Garrett and why he came back to the Bus in the first place (of course, he pretended Fitz had contacted him and said they needed something from that drive), and he took her to the diner where she claimed she had to unlock the hard drive (she said it was location based - that was a lie).
And she didn't try to escape, she alerted the police and tried to get him and herself arrested.
All of this took place in just few hours.
FrakkinToaster Luvva I was saying they started the first time they kissed which was the episode where we found out Ward was hydra. Then he free'd Garret and they went to raid places. Then he found out where Skye and the others were. He met up with skye. Then one day later skye found out. Two days
I miss this. It seems like ever since Skye turned into Quake and Ward left, this isn't even the same show
+Peabut21 P Exactly. Not all change is good change
+Abundant&UnhealthyObsessions The change is what makes it real and fresh every season. I personally think it's fun and awesome to look back on how these characters started out.
Yeah it's almost like it actually became a Marvel show
WHY DID YOU GUYS RUIN SKYEWARD
Because the story demanded it, they made a risk, and it made such an interesting point of the show. Seriously, the whole SHILED=Hydra brought the show to a good point (in which it became better onwards), and Ward became so interesting from that point on. It's part of what made him a really good character
+Kobe Bonhomme and destroyed him after
The best SkyeWard scenes were those after it was revealed he was Hydra. That made for some incredible drama and original writing (and amazing dramatic acting). Before that, it was just a cute ship, there are tons of such ships all over TV.
Doris D. it sucks now that he's gone. He was there from the start and grew as something worthy of watching. I was really hoping for something that could get Skye and Ward together again too, but i got that the vision of the writers were something else. Sadly, he's gone. If i want to see some of Ward's best moments, i'll just go back in the past 3 seasons.
Did anyone hope that towards the end of season 1 or in season 2 that Ward would redeem himself, go back as a good guy then be with Skye?
I waited till end of season 7 for Ward's redemption arc. He was so perfect as an agent of shield and most intelligent of all. The show could have been on some other level If ward was on Good Side as It would have hard for writers to write an worthy opponent to Ward. Ward was the James Bond of the Agent Of Shield.
Man, I miss Brett Dalton. I honestly think they went the completely wrong way with the character of Ward after season 2, even though it did give Dalton a chance to be a chameleon. Even season 3 had a perfect opportunity to start anew with Ward dead. If they had figured out a way to kill and extract Hive from the body, maybe they could have had a Ward who was basically brand new with no memories from the past. Basically a new person. I feel the show misses his charisma.
But then Lincoln probably wouldn't of died therefore ward and skye probably never get together
I wish we'd gotten this set-up for an episode. It would've been epic and the ultimate Skyeward episode.
Their chemistry was so wasted. They could've been as great as FitzSimmons in their own way.
@Thunder God I couldn't agree more. Rewatching after the finale and it's making me all emotional
Bro fitzSimmons chemistry is off the chats
Skimons
I think daisy in the series now would gag at the though of this
Before this I had moved past my anger over them making him evil. Now it's back and so much worse.
He was always supposed to be a Hydra double agent. They planned it since the show was ordered.
FrakkinToaster Luvva So, tell me a Buffy character with similar traits to Ward
I'm not sure why you're asking me that, but since you did - a few days ago I was joking (or not really joking) on a Buffy forum that he could be a child of Faith and Angel/Angelus.
Ward makes me think of an unredeemed Faith who has worked for the Mayor for 15 years without being detected, and at the same time, his role in season 1, in particular, feels like a non-supernatural version of season 2 Angel.
That was great! Tremendous performance from both of them, especially Chloe.
They had immediate chemistry and wow I love them acting together
I actually find their acting here even more endearing than in the show
the chemistry is really good here even skye/daisy is in comedy mode
Im gonna miss AOS 😭 thank you for 7 years i just hope theres be more seasons or spin off 😊. I love this show so much
Man I miss Skye! I mean yeah I love Daisy, she's tough and has had to grow up and make hard choices really quickly, but she's also been hard as nails from her introduction in my mind. Skye was always this adorable snarker that I absolutely still want to be when I grow up
After everything she has been throught , she couldnt stay the same adorable/naive homeless girl... not after ward, her parents and Lincoln ... it would be unrealistic, though I hope she can have a break and fun a lighter season for once!
She seems so different now that I’m looking back
Such is character progression
for me, she still has lots of adorable moments, it just more fits to her badasssery. if you also watch the ''ladies night'' in season 6, then you know what im talking about
This is the show I signd up for when I watched the pilot, RIP
chloe looked cutter in skye form than in daisy form
dont u guys agree
but daisy form is hot and badass
Cute as skye, hot as daisy
I miss season 1... everyone was so innocent... no evil robots etc etc
Maria Oldenburg thats why they say og's are the best.
Justin Macri yep
Skyeward has such great chemistry. Honestly I feel like after the season 1 betrayal he should’ve been given a shot at redemption. He was swayed by a powerful father figure that he never had in his own household. And at the beginning of season 2 it looked like he was kind of changed. I just wish they would’ve gone with that instead of making him the villain that the team never get over.
Problem is she was never supposed to be Skye permanently. they were laying Easter eggs from the minute we saw her that she was a Marvel super hero. I figured it out before they revealed it that she was Daisy Johnson AKA Quake. As a huge comic book reader that was a very fun part for me. Especially when I found out that I was right
such a great chemistry... what a waste
Still missing these two😭
Oh man, I hope with the multiverse thing happening, they manage to squeeze in SkyeWard somewhere. Maybe What If...? if there's more seasons where they could explore what happens if Ward chooses to turn away from Garrett and help Team Coulson instead
Skyeward and Laisy both died. Sky/daisy loses guys left and right...
The latter was a LAZY relationship after all....
...
...get it? :D
I get it... I still kinda liked lincoln as a character though. He strived for his teammates trust, he really did love sky, and had epic powers. He was a good alternative to ward after he became hive and now they are both dead...
Think of this they killed of Skyeward and StaticQuake in a SHIP at the same time.
Well they did say death follows her everywhere
Dousy is endgame. The curse is finally broken!
I'll miss Brett... I really liked him and I loved Ward's character... I want him back... Good or Evil he's amazing...
They flipped the genders on this show, which made it fresh. Most shows have the hot lady say lines like "please be joking" and the guy says "marriage sucks". I don't know of any other show where the hot woman is the comic relief on a show with males present.
I miss these two soo much 😢❤
Lol I miss you Brett I hope ward comes back to the team
He's completely blowed up
He's dead
For a second time.
Maybe as a Life Model Decoy
Let's be honest, It's Marvel. If they wanted to make a way for him to return, they could certainly do it. Not that it's a bad thing because it's not, Brett and Chloe are/were like the Top 2 in the show(IMO)
Now I want to see a rom-com of Brett Dalton and Chloe Bennett. Thanks Marvel
Sameeee
Well, 3-4 months since Brett's been off the show and his face still makes me smile like a loon. Also, I'm glad they used the name "Daphne". If they'd used my real name by some coincidence, I would've been rolling on the floor dying of laughter. Loved this.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Is The best Show ever
Ohh this just bubbled up into my feed.
*cries*
I miss S.H.I.E.L.D
GOD HOW I MISS THEM AND THIER WITTY BANTER!!!
I loved that they didn’t put skye and ward together... that would’ve been such a predictable, cliched and trite move on the writer’s part... I love that award betrayed all of them because that’s real life... you get betrayed by people closest to you... u don’t always get the person that you want... plus it paved the way for a compelling complicated relationship with Lincoln... AoS could’ve been a CW show but instead it challenges the audience with grit, heart and pain.
Thing is I would use terms like predictable & cliched to described the relationship between Daisy & Lincoln as well. Biggest problem is Daisy/Lincoln had a fraction of the kind of chemistry Daisy/Ward displayed.
Papadoc1981 but the relationships was never meant to last which made it great. Even if he hadn’t died I think they wouldn’t have lasted. But it’s one of those relationships that you need to learn something or help you grow. She had an interesting relationship with Ghost Rider. And even now with Zeke.
I wish they could write better ways to help Daisy grow as a character than to focus so much of it on who's the next boy toy for her to get attached too and lose. Because we lost one of the better characters on the show(Ward) and another character(Lincoln) who's whole story was built around how best he can be utilized to build Daisy. Should have never brought in Ghost Rider because he was a great addition and yet he was barely used which hurts the show. Too early to tell with how Deke will turn out.
Byron Vasquez Jr. Her relationship with Lincoln was also predictable and cliche - at times it was written like Skyeward 2.0 if Ward hadn't been a double agent - only with far less chemistry and more forced. It only became interesting and complicated when she was swayed by Hive (in other words, her relationship with Lincoln only became interesting and well written after it fell apart... Kind of like her relationship with Ward, I guess).
I'd love it if people stopped looking for her new love interest on every corner. She hasn't actually had one since season 3. They could have gone that way with Robbie, but nothing happened and that's good - even though there was some spark there. Deke and her have just been frenemies, and they are fun that way, but I don't see any romantic chemistry between them and I hope the show won't try to force some kind of romance there.
Enough of forced romances, it's not the CW, characters can stay single for a while!
but they said at least that, wherever Skye goes, death follows!
Chloe is beautiful
Please bring back Brett Dalton into the show, anyway no matter how silly.
since s7 is in the past, he could come back...
i really miss skyeward, they had such good chemistry
these two! i'm so happy to see them acting together again!! can't wait, their chemistry is insane! ♥
this is frickin good
This is actually really good
So this is where all those fanfiction came from that Skye and Ward are undercover and their cover is that they are married.
Legends in the making here people love Chloe and Brett
I actually liked his character arc of being revealed has Hydra but I would have LOVED for that season 2 idea of him getting his memories taken away and then we could have seen him go through SHIELD training all over again and become the great agent he could've been and then maybe he could eventually win over Skye and wow that could've been great. LOL.
This is low-key amazing.
Hubbly bubbly
😂
They really should bring him back and give him his own Netflix series, how awesome would that be, maybe it'll be called "Marvel's Ward" or "Marvel's The Irredeemable Agent".
Call it "Marvel's Puke" but just do it.
+Kasino Barks I kind of like "The Irredeemable Agent". It doesn't roll off the tongue, but it's memorable.
MF Hood LMFAOOO "Irredeemable Agent"
Why this was on my feed today idk. But I loved this lol
Also screw you hydra I miss Skyeward
Wish they used this scene love it.
“Well I’m gonna die” line of the year
HOW is this ACTING?!?! This looks so genuine
Anyone else just started watching this series like 2 weeks ago and on season 5 IT JUST GETTS WEIRDER AND WEIRDER LIKE ALIENS WTH
Loved this. Wow are they good.
Miss them so much, goodbye AoS 😭
I low key still ship SkyeWard. Am I the only who preferred this over Static&Quake?
Am I the only one that got jump scared at 0:38
Same for me
My god i love this. Dalton and Chloe are awesome! Gonna miss Bret Dalton/Grant Ward.
I miss Ward, he was the amazing character !! I was angry that he had become the villain 😭😭 I wish he wasn't a villain, I was such a fan of him ....
I am missing this show very much.
me too bro
sadly it is not a canon
This honestly gives me LIFE
really marvel, really? I was in a move on stage but then this..... you guys just made me sad even more by posting this and remembering all the skyeward stuff that I'd been watched this passed 3years sorrow..... sorrow.... *sobs* *wiping tears* R. I. P Skyeward, maybe in other life made this cute couple real.... *fingers crossed*
*been watching
*these past 3 years
Did anyone else see that Robbie Reyes/Ghost Rider will be joining the cast for this show?????
Wow, somebody changed a lot in only 4 years
OMGGGG SKYEWARD WAS THE BEST COUPLE THEY SHOULD BE THE ENDGAME, I FEEEL SOOO SAD AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO.
I SHIP THEM SOO BADLY 😭😭😭😭😭😭❤❤❤❤
1:21 "Well, I'm gonna die"... Duh.
I MISS SKYEWARD
Skyeward they are so good together
Season one with the little baby bus kids
in love with this! thanks for posting!
I miss Skyeward :(
This made my day. 🥰
This was great
This is so great
Damn, she was actually kinda hotter back then than she is now. But this just shows better chemistry than I saw on the show, and what would have made for a perfect couple, which is just annoying me no end. I want Skye to be with the love of her life. BRING BACK WARD.
+30secondstomarsMBH Daisy was pretty damn hot in the first half of Season 3. I wouldn't mistake her cockiness for attractiveness.
Ward was NOT the love of her life, LOL
Awww, what a lovely scene! Even though i am not a fan of SkyeWard, this test was very well played out. :)