The reason they fly this pattern is for ATC. Approaching from the North / East, you have to overfly the Manchester approaches / climb outs, so LPL traffic is kept quite high. When they are clear of the departures and arrivals into MAN, they fly a sort of 'S' pattern to lose the altitude and position back onto final for RWY27. Hope this helps explain it ...
Sorry, missed Your comment, that's very logic and everything goes to the right places,very much appreciated! May I ask You, how did You know that? theory, pilot, flight controller? Thank You!
["All commercial flights are carried out in IFR conditions (instrument flight rules) where navigation is done on instruments and not done visually by looking outside. So separation of aircraft is very important, all inbound and outbound traffic is separated by Flight levels (Vertical separation) and by azimuth (horizontal separation) so that there is no chance of aircraft hitting each other in any phase of flight. There is logic to what is being done and on occasions where electronics go wrong it has to be done by procedures (flight strips which the controllers have at hand where all information about a flight is recorded) This is a vast subject but simply put it's to keep aircraft safely separated at all phases of flight. Hope that helps, some good information in the comments."]
Depending on traffic, winds, your arrival direction, etc., it can take a lot of time and turns to get into the traffic pattern for airport final approach. The weirdest thing about this video is that it sounds like you are riding a train on rough, jointed tracks..
This was a standard arival procedure to either runway. In some cases the arrival can contimue to the WAL VOR then outbound before turning back to the airfield. Nothing wierd about this whatsoever except perhas for the title of the clip.
All airfield has STARs (Standard Procedures) Check out the STAR's for Liverpool (EGGP) and you will see the arrival procedures from the POL VOR which the aircraft flew on that day. Liverpool has a very small area of control which is limited in height (2500ft asl) therefore they rely on the controllers surrounding their airpspace to pass over the inbound flights in a timely manner and at the correct height and speed. Manchester Radar sometimes hands the aircraft over late and high and depending upon other traffic in the EGGP pattern aircraft may be required to follow the entire STAR and even hold prior to landing. From the direction your flight was flying it looks like you were on a TIPOD arrival which tracks POL VOR : WAL VOR : TIPOD : LPL If the aircraft is required to HOLD then it will do so North West of the WAL VOR at TIPOD. Also the EGGP Approach Controller can vector the aircraft as required within their own airspace for seperation and safe conduct of flight. Hope this helps and that you enjoy yur next flight.
This was a 09 approach and not a 27 . The airline is wizz air A320 aircraft. A 27 approach is straight in crossing the Wirral this approach was over hale village which is a 09 approach . Not a weird approach pretty standard tbh . Cheers.
You have that the wrong way around, that approach was to 27 ... the 09 approach comes over the wirral (you can see as the aircraft vacates the runway the '09' painted on the threshold which is the opposite end to the one they landed on...
Thank You for Your comment, but I do understand that this is standard procedure, but can anyone give me a logical explanation why it is done this way? Much more easier to make an approach straight to runway instead of going all way around and to do all those maneuvers. There are no terrain objects to avoid, plus all those things like fuel, noise, dangerous over the city, ecological etc... As for me no logic at all, but the answer is out there:)
The reason they fly this pattern is for ATC. Approaching from the North / East, you have to overfly the Manchester approaches / climb outs, so LPL traffic is kept quite high. When they are clear of the departures and arrivals into MAN, they fly a sort of 'S' pattern to lose the altitude and position back onto final for RWY27.
Hope this helps explain it ...
Sorry, missed Your comment, that's very logic and everything goes to the right places,very much appreciated!
May I ask You, how did You know that? theory, pilot, flight controller? Thank You!
@@plaksini
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It’s a very standard approach. Down it a few times. Usually as people have said due to traffic.
Why did it fly so low to manchester airport?
great vid....loved the views over liverpool...brilliant landing too...my other half claps everytime we land..lol..drives me mad
["All commercial flights are carried out in IFR conditions (instrument flight rules) where navigation is done on instruments and not done visually by looking outside. So separation of aircraft is very important, all inbound and outbound traffic is separated by Flight levels (Vertical separation) and by azimuth (horizontal separation) so that there is no chance of aircraft hitting each other in any phase of flight. There is logic to what is being done and on occasions where electronics go wrong it has to be done by procedures (flight strips which the controllers have at hand where all information about a flight is recorded) This is a vast subject but simply put it's to keep aircraft safely separated at all phases of flight. Hope that helps, some good information in the comments."]
Thank You!
Why isn't Paul and Ringo directing air traffic?
It's actually a pretty standard flight pattern. I live underneath the path and see flights coming in this direction every day.
DeadLinesman I can imagine that, but my question why? To fly over the city back and forward instead of going directly ...
@@plaksini never trust satnav mate
@@plaksini Traffic or ATC I think. It is rare for a flight to come straight in to an airport
Depending on traffic, winds, your arrival direction, etc., it can take a lot of time and turns to get into the traffic pattern for airport final approach. The weirdest thing about this video is that it sounds like you are riding a train on rough, jointed tracks..
This was a standard arival procedure to either runway. In some cases the arrival can contimue to the WAL VOR then outbound before turning back to the airfield. Nothing wierd about this whatsoever except perhas for the title of the clip.
Thank You for comment... and standard procedure, because...?
All airfield has STARs (Standard Procedures) Check out the STAR's for Liverpool (EGGP) and you will see the arrival procedures from the POL VOR which the aircraft flew on that day.
Liverpool has a very small area of control which is limited in height (2500ft asl) therefore they rely on the controllers surrounding their airpspace to pass over the inbound flights in a timely manner and at the correct height and speed. Manchester Radar sometimes hands the aircraft over late and high and depending upon other traffic in the EGGP pattern aircraft may be required to follow the entire STAR and even hold prior to landing.
From the direction your flight was flying it looks like you were on a TIPOD arrival which tracks POL VOR : WAL VOR : TIPOD : LPL
If the aircraft is required to HOLD then it will do so North West of the WAL VOR at TIPOD.
Also the EGGP Approach Controller can vector the aircraft as required within their own airspace for seperation and safe conduct of flight.
Hope this helps and that you enjoy yur next flight.
This was a 09 approach and not a 27 . The airline is wizz air A320 aircraft. A 27 approach is straight in crossing the Wirral this approach was over hale village which is a 09 approach . Not a weird approach pretty standard tbh . Cheers.
@rogerpenney Exactly. You could even see the control tower on the left where it should be if you land on 27:-)
You have that the wrong way around, that approach was to 27 ... the 09 approach comes over the wirral (you can see as the aircraft vacates the runway the '09' painted on the threshold which is the opposite end to the one they landed on...
@@garethkennedy3488 yes sir you are correct i did not realise id gotten them mixed up thanks for correcting me. Regards LJ
Views of the Costa del Widnes
Liverpool is in the uk
And Widnes????
I did the exactly same route it was weird because we kept turning all the time and my flight was from malaga on a 737 ryanair at 11pm
RhysHarry SophieEllie It’s just the holding pattern/easiest way to line up with the arriving runway
It was a TIPOD2B arrival pretty standard
Thank You for Your comment, but I do understand that this is standard procedure, but can anyone give me a logical explanation why it is done this way? Much more easier to make an approach straight to runway instead of going all way around and to do all those maneuvers. There are no terrain objects to avoid, plus all those things like fuel, noise, dangerous over the city, ecological etc... As for me no logic at all, but the answer is out there:)
I think it has something to do with manchester traffic and there depatures on 23R
www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-019D14A5FB7CA5D646B131916F7564B3/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/Charts/AD/AIRAC/EG_AD_2_EGGP_7-1_en_2017-03-02.pdf
Flew across Liverpool over St Helens
i would say traffic
Butter machine 😐😄
Where was this flight from?
Vilnius
isn't it so obvious that there is other aircraft in the area you can't all land together
Holding pattern