How To Fix Graphics Card Sag [THE BEST WAY!]
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Graphics cards have been getting larger and larger over the years... which means they've tended to sag more and more. It's a struggle many of us face. A sagging card can ruin the aesthetic of a rig - even potentially damage components in the long-run. This solution from Lian Li is the best I've found. It's effective and stealthy. Let me show you!
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In the 1990s. The VESA Local Bus standard was implemented in PC motherboards of the time. It was a 16 bit ISA slot with an addition after the slot ended that was mechanically identical to the superseding PCI slot that came a few years later. Video cards for the standard were just as long as today's video cards but did not have any fancy heatsinks or crazy power requirements, but the standard was railed against for cards being too long, sagging and being difficult to install and uninstall with reports of people breaking their cards when installing.
If only they could see the monstrosities of today. PCI Express was released in 2004. It was not designed for this future.
PCI GPUs that came after VLB died were smaller and faster. We need to start shrinking GPUs.
Thirty years later, IBM's FUD is still out there. Then and now, GPUs come in all sizes, they didn't get any smaller.
Vesa Local Bus...shudder.
The kind built tough enough to stick a 13 inch CRT monitor on top of when 51/4in reigned supreme having just replaced the 12, and 8, inch variety.@@FurrrrrvleTDO
G'day Marco,
Nice Educational Moment 🙃👎
GPUs have shrunk. The 30 and 40 series GPUs are a lot shorter. It's the cooling solution that takes all the space and weight. Need to find a way to make GPUs not produce so much heat.
JayzTwoCents has a different fix that realizes the fact that some cards have a weak mounting point at the back pci slot on the case, and simply providing a "bumper" to support that end of the card ends up supporting the card closer to level without buying anything. That is the current "fix" I'm using, but I do like the Lian Li bracket you're demonstrating.
This support really isn't supporting the weight of the card.. it's side loading the PCI-E slot and putting even more stress on the PCB. leverage is a thing. The first support you shown is an actual "BEST WAY" in comparison.
I agree, this is the worst solutin ever to support the weight of a heavy graphics card.
This is the truth.
I'm not sure about the PCB part since it screws through the board into the case, but I'm no structural engineer.
I agree with the rest though.
They are right, I just bought the newer gb 002 version and the card appear to be straight but over the last 2 days I've heard random creaking sounds from my pc although they are not frequent. I suppose with a longer and bigger card like mine, the fact that the small support arm is only at the side next to the motherboard is very slowly bending the card or damaging the pcie slot area. Support needs to be at the side of the card that's not facing the motherboard... I gotta look for some better gpu support thing again
@@j.d.4697you are correct... the case is supporting the weight, not the pcb.
That's an interesting idea, but all those parts used are available in your local hardware store for about $6 with the exception of the motherboard riser mounts. Granted it probably won't be black, but that's not a problem for me.
Spray paint
For $25 there are other options depending on your preferences. That said it came with my Lancool 216 and probably is included with a number of their cases, definitely worth considering when looking at cases.
Just ordered mine ty Greg 4 always being prefectly timed when i need help :) Keep up the great work .
i use a PCI e cover from my case(i'm not using it cuz the GPU is in there lol) one side is bent and the other is flat
so i take pliers and bend the other side and prop it underneath
total cost: $0
I'm about to buy the lancool 216 as well and thought I might need a gpu bracket, can't find any info that it's included with the 216.
@henrygg295 I bought the black RGB model and it was, I imagine it comes with non RGB as well.
Very nice that you are critical about pricing and mention users with problems to fit in! Balanced review.
Glad it was helpful!
@@GregSalazar I need a gpu support for a 3070ti ? its ha 1.2 kg.
It's a good idea, but as mentioned there might be some incompatibility issues depending on the motherboard. Personally I think the solution should come either from the board manufacturers (some already do provide this, I remember using an Asrock Z690 almost 2 years back that came with an anti-sag bracket) or the case manufacturers (used a pretty cheap Chieftec case recently in a build that had an anti-sag rail mounted system). That said, the dimensions of modern cards is overwhelming. Heck, my XFX RX6700 XT is 34 cm long...in a smaller case it wouldn't fit with a front-mounted AIO
There’s a 002 version of the bracket that has a extension arm so you can adjust the holding pad not to sit directly into fans and can reach to the back of the card
That’s the one I just bought from micro center. It was $15, too. So, a price drop.
Been using this for 2 years and my GPU looks the same as day 1, this product definitely lasts.
What's there not to last on a simple piece of steel like that bracket ?
that's some very obvious shilling ma dude
@@blindguardian8599 Piece of steel under constant stress not lasting? I don't know, is physics not part of the education anymore?
@@ivanchinhoe A chunky piece of high durable steel with a generous cross section holding only 2 kg of graphics card ? Personally I think it's overkill but better more than is needed then lass I guess. Btw, material resistance class in collage was fun.
@@blindguardian8599 Only in college you learnt that? No wonder!
I really like this solution. I’ve used it a number of times and there are other companies who have copied it. However, it does not work on all motherboards as one of the screws it used may be obscured by a heat sink cover. Also, depending on the GPU, you have to make sure the little support does not impinge on one of the fans. I rand into that with a couple of GPUs and had to stop using the bracket. You can get creative with it and move it to the far side of the motherboard over the SATA ports, but that may obscure a header or two depending on the layout of the motherboard. It’s also easier to install the foot with the case laying down.
Lian Li has a second version with a piece that slides. It's the GB-002 and I just ordered it earlier today. I was having the exact problem you described where the support arm on this GB-001 interfered with the fans on my GPU. I'm hoping since I can slide the arm over on the GB-002 that it won't interfere then.
I Just bought a EZIDY FAB gpu bracket thingy and i really like it
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That kit came with the 011 dynamic case and while I didn't need it in that case, ( I purchased the vertical mounting for the GPU) I used it in my Sky 2 case and love it.
And also With Lancool III
wth, I didn't get one with my 011 Dynamic, or my current 011 Air Mini. I DID buy the 011 dynamic about 3yrs ago so maybe they just started including it now.
I bought a GPU support that is a black metal tube that has another metal tube that screws up/down and rubber pads on top and bottom. You make it the right height, set the locking screw and put it anywhere under your card. It was $4.95 and puts the support directly under the least supported corner of the GPU. I just upgraded my 5700xt to a 6800xt and it took 10 seconds to readjust the height of the support.
Yep. Plenty of those on the market. I just dislike the way they look in builds.
Good video, interesting product ... but ... for my money, I prefer the extra stability given by supporting the card by the opposite (outer) corner, and the bracket-type solution also hides neatly the bottom part of the mobo along with any other add-in cards (IO,USB,WiFi, etc).
Good to have the option, though! Keep up the good work.
I prefer seeing the clean looks of motherboards underneath, along with capture cards, etc. I also wouldn't argue that brackets are "more stable." They're fastened to the PCIe slots - the same place the graphics card in question already is. This is why, as discussed in the video, some brackets need to be arranged slightly above horizontal to prop up beefier cards. IMO, this defeats the purpose of them entirely. For smaller/lighter cards, though, this shouldn't be an issue.
Yes, you are right. Mechanically (=based on the law of physics) the best point to support is the opposite (the free) corner. That's why I bought a stand. I have a non-transparent side panel, so I do not care about aesthetics.
I wish my GPU could sag 🥹( I don't have one)
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😭 I wish someone would also fix my GPU sag. R7 5700G
Woah, a brother-in-arm.
@@GunneJC0614Nice CPU, must perform OP compared to my solo 4770.
I just alternate flipping my tower upside down every other day. Balances out.
😂
Bad idea, it will reverse your FPS.
The Lancool 216 case ships with this as well. Still waiting for other parts to come in to build the new PC, but we'll see how it fits.
Some of Deepcool’s latest cases (like the CH560) has a built-in one in the case similar to this anti-sag bracket. I think some of Asrock’s newer motherboards also have anti-sag brackets similar to this one
Indeed, some Asrock boards come with an anti-sag bracket (the more premium-oriented ones like Z690/Z790 and X670(E)
@@AeiKei the anti-sag bracket from asrock anti-sag bracket has clearance issues with nzxt cases because of the cable management bar. Personally experienced it recently with the nzxt h9, so this bracket by lian li much more less protruding and should work with any case.
I do think it we'll see many more of these type of style anti-sag brackets for much cheaper prices from like thermalright other brands in the coming month or so.
The Lian Li Anti-Sag Bracket is now sold out! Lol! I'm going to get the cheaper bracket and I will post a review on my channel! I will give you a shout-out for the GPU sag recommendation! Thanks again Greg.
I watched this when first published and held off on getting one for a long time, just because I had other things that were more important but I finally ordered it and installed yesterday after arrival. Supports my MSI 4070Ti Suprim X just as well as the included stick stand, on an ASUS ROG Z790 Maximus Hero Dark in the same position you installed it and works just like the stick stand, maybe better since this one is actually mounted to the chassis. By all rights, the only way to really avoid any issues are to keep your rig laying down or vertical mount your card.
Wild timing...just installed my 3080ti but bought a $7 anti sag post on Amazon. 😅
Also certain Lian Li cases now do come with this bracket. For the record, I have a Lancool 3 Black RGB and it came with it. It is a great low visible bracket.
It doesn't work on all motherboards though right? Some motherboards have a heatsink in the area of the screws making it hard to install.
@bigdoublet unfortunately correct. It works on most. Thats why Greg also made a great suggestion of using the outter two screws on the motherboard to help combat this issue. However, there is still a slight chance that wont work.
I've been dealing with GPU sag for around two years now and in the back of mind have planned to address it. I didn't want one of those sticks that's visible. This is a much more professional solution. It was out of stock on your affiliate link but I found it elsewhere. I just picked up 2 of them. I love that's it actually mounted to something rigid and you can't even see it. Thanks for the recommendation Greg!
My case (Cooler Master CL500) came with a built in feature for holding GPU, so I don't need it. With that said, I do like how Lian Li designed it, definitely would've considered getting one if I had the need.
I added a white UpHere sag bracket to my stormtrooper build and the added white color looks really good!
i am so happy my GPU came with a sag bracket but its nice to see you do this for people that dont want a bracket
Just got mine today. Honestly for the security you get, ease of use aesthetic. I would say worth the price. Ideas genius.
What the, i thought this video was gonna showcase another ugly bracket, but this is huge! honestly {TheBestWay} title doesn't do it justice!
This is ingenious. The bracket that came with my MSI RTX3080 doesn't have screw holes for all the slots it sits on, so you wind up having 2 slot covers with no screws. It's a hassle trying to mount the bracket without having those 2 slot covers move around on you. This solution is so much easier.
Well... I just installed one into my system this morning. I laid the case flat so the gpu didn't have any sag to begin with when positioning the elbow piece, and that's all that was needed. With the case upright, the gpu is completely level. So freaking easy. 😎
Greg, you have influenced 99% of my successful repairs... the way you explain in your fix or flop series is just so digestible? Yeah... keep it up 🙏
what card is this ?? it is big ..
Hate GPU sag! Love how there are so many options to remedy this. Can be understated and hidden, or obvious and full of color and RGB.
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I have the exact same MOBO so this product would work for my RTX3080 sag. Nice clean job and looks great!
Hey Greg,
Can you show us how can we release big GPU's from motherboard without breaking the clips?
Thanks for the video and awesome series.
I use a chopstick.... very carefully. Haven't broken a clip yet (and I have in the past).
Hey Greg, how would you compare the brace-kickstand method to this one? Easier? Better? Love your videos, rock on!
My 4080 came with an antisag bracket like this and i love it.
I’m a new viewer but what are your glasses frames man. They are fire.
My experience with beefy cards has always been that they came with support brackets included, but this is a neat solution.
You can get the Lian Li GB-002 bracket for about $12.00. It doesn't seem to actually improve on the 001. I have the Lian Li GB-002, but my EVGA 3070 TI FTW won't fully lock the PCI-E clip with the bracket in place, but the graphics card will fully seat and can be operational. I removed the bracket during troubleshooting. It was not the cause of issues. I just use an adjustable stand now, so that I can lock my card in the slot.
I like the hidden nature of this solution... that said, I went with an RGB solution that sits on my basement. The advantage to my solution is that I was able to tie into my graphics card aRGB controller and link the color of my support to graphics card temp.
Thanks for the video. Yesterday's fix or flop had a sagging GPU. Don't let your GPU sag; put something even if it is a piece of 2x4 lumber to support it.
Lian Li gives newer version of this bracket with it's Lancool III case and if you buy white variant of that case you will get a white bracket which you can not buy separately
My graphics card looks like its floating now!!! I just swapped from an ugly magnetic, adjustable peg underneath to the Lian Li bracket and it is so freaking good. I have that same chungus Gigabyte card, just the 4090 variant (same cooler design). I had the same tolerance issues that you mentioned with the included bracket. Have a 4000D Airflow case and the included bracket interferes with the cable bar. Great vid!!! 10/10
100% going to pick one of these up. A lot more subtle than the bracket my 7900xtx came with
Lian Li Anti-Sag Bracket works fine. I have had one for a couple of years on a 3070 with no problem.
I might cost more that you think it should - what doesn't these days?
At least its a decent product, well made, seems to last OK and it works. More than can be said for many of the alternatives.
Greg can I ask your thoughts on the U-Turn connectors for GPUs to clean up cable management? Thanks!
Hey Greg, have you noticed all the fake listings for cheap GPU's on eBay right now? I don't know what's going on but you might wanna check it out. It's very odd. Love the videos keep it up!
The O11 D XL case comes with this bracket. Cool to see that they are selling it separately now.
I like it. however, they should have implemented a flange at the bottom of the standoff, or at least included a small washer to provide better surface area 'coverage' & pressure when fastening to the motherboard...
In India, it cost like 590 rupees including shipping 😅. Thank you greg this looks so nice and clean
i have this lian li bracket and its been a god send. what i did was lay the pc on its back, line up the foot, get it into place and its solid. Only downside is that my motherboard and where i can secure it is right over the heatsink for my b550 so it doesnt get full clearance.
I got one of these brackets included when buying the Lian Li O11D Evo and i really like it a lot. Only thing is, my gpu wouldn click properly into the PCIe slot. I made a little bend on it where the PCB were colliding and it now works perfectly. I think the heatsinks on my mobo are a tiny bit too large but was an easy fix as the bracket bends easy enough. I'm doing a custom loop atm and with a 4 lbs/1850g waterblock on the GPU, this anti-sag bracket comes in VERY handy. I like this solution a lot better than those big "standing" brackets or the one you used as an example in the video. The Lian Li one works well and is super discreet.
I used this very kit with my 3080! I love that its hidden and not easily visible vs other solutions out there. Have used it for two plus years now. There is another version of this Lian Li anti sag bracket out there. Two different styles to try.
This is why I subscribe. I've used and recommend the EZ GPU bracket because it works in every case including mATX and ITX (NR200). But in these large cases, your option is a much cleaner way to go.
*I use a stand to help with the weight as it's cheaper*
The Lian Li Lancool III comes with a GPU anti-sag bracket and it looks SUPER clean behind the GPU. I think it’s the same bracket that you use here, but with a few less parts.
I've never looked into buying a anti sag bracket but when I upgrade my GPU I will look into getting this one. I'm not a fan of the anti sag brackets that sit on top of the PSU shroud and are visible. This bracket looks so clean, I'm going to add this video to my watch later list. I was unaware that sag can damage your GPU.
Why is it so expensive? I also have the newer LIAN LI GB-002 and it's $8.50. Usually the price would be much more expensive in the country I live in
Get a piece of 3/8" diameter, 4-foot wooden dowel (
Sagging happens to the best of us. Thanks for the video.
I just use a cheap $8.00 adjustable post that I got on Amazon. With that said though I think I'll give this a try. At worse, if it doesn't fit then I can just return it and go back to using the cheap post that already works great but isn't as aesthetically pleasing.
Update: I ended up buying the GB-001 which worked great for my ASUS TUF 3080 but I switched to an ASUS ProArt 4070 Ti recently and couldn't use the GB-001 bracket because the arm that pushes up on the GPU interfered with the middle fan and if i switched the position of the bracket to the far edge of the mobo the arm of the bracket would interfere with the third fan on my GPU. I just ordered the GB-002 in hopes that it will provide more adjustability and I can slide the arm in between the fans. Wish me luck it gets delivered tomorrow.
My PNY 4070Ti came with this type of support bracket.
Today I saw an Asrock B650E Riptide board which comes with a similar anti-sag device.
I had a support in my PC like the one that came with the graphic card? But there was a major difference. At the end you would attach a support that you line up, so that it will support the card properly. I think that is missing here, or he didn't used it as it wasn't attached prior mounting.
The Lian Li system is for sure not bad, but I stay with my 3D printed stand due to two reasons.
First, it doesn't look bad and properly supports the GPU.
Second, even though the system of Lian Li is minimizing the sagging of the card, it is still sagging to the front edge corner of the card as the holder just holds up the card directly at the motherboard. For sure it isn't as prominent as before, but it is still there as it holds the card up at the wrong side of the card.
So IMHO it is a good solution, but by far not the best as there is still some sagging left.
I think to make that holder "invisible" those holders you attach at the top of the case using a string is much better.
Great idea, easy to DIY for a few bucks too.
Nice bracket for gpu sag. Cant tell its in there at all. Love the white theme with the white gpu. Keep them vids coming.
My 4080 FE does not sag at all I think due to its 3 slot bracket design. But just to be on the safe side, I installed an anti sag support that I bought from Amazon. I don't want to risk damaging a pricey card.
When I got my 5700xt a long time ago, I noticed it was sagging so I took some black Lego bricks and built a stand for the graphics card to rest on. What's nice is that the stand is just high enough that the cable in the front of the graphics card hides them.
I too installed this exact bracket. It fit my Asus prime x570 pro right side stand offs. Clearance was literally perfect over the sata ports. It’s propping up my Aorus 3070ti Master. One issue was, the L sliding foot was protruding out a little far and ended up in the way of my fan at full speed. Had to shave down the foot for fan clearance. Other than that, out of sight and it works. Nice recommendation
GB001 is not available anymore. The newer version GB002 is available.
this kind of bracket comes with LianLi cases if i'm not mistaken . I have a Lancool 3 case , and the support bracket came up with the case accesories kit. Didn't use it though . Thank you Greg for the vvideo.
My LianLi case came with this built into the case. Love it
I think you should buy a riser cable instead (but this still looks like a nice option)
I got this after seeing the video just because the ezdiy one I had doesn’t let me work on stuff easily if I want to mess with stuff. Have to say, I barely notice it with how well it blends in.
I'm lucky that my RTX 3070 hasn't sagged yet. The Phanteks P400a seems to be good at holding the card in place although it's not quite as big as the GPU in this video! That thing is chonky!
I employed a support bracket in my mini ITX build to mitigate the sag of my trusty EVGA 3070 XC graphics card. I hope that there will be a similar solution like in the video for ITX motherboards in the future.
Got one of these with my PNY 4090, you don’t notice it whatsoever and it helps so much
What is your MB? I couldn’t get my GPU to click in with my MSI 4080
I was glad that my 4070 came with an anti-sag bracket, seeing how much Lian Li is charging for theirs
Oops reading one of those reviews, it said that their MB came with an alignment standoff in the middle. Mine I think also came with an alignment pin standoff but I have not built a system in several years so I did not realize that was what it was for (I thought it might be but was unsure), so I removed it and replaced it with a normal stand off and then used an additional MB screw for it. Hopefully this will not harm my system, as so far its working great. For my GPU I just used one of the little stands from Amazon that is adjustable since I do not move my PC around, it basically sits in one spot next to my desk. I used a black one so ya can't even really see it (as I have minimal RGB in my Build) unless your really looking for it and it was only about $9.
I used to have the Lian Li one in my rig with TUF RTX 3070 card and it was working great. Then I switched to an AMD RX 6900 XT Red Devil and unfortunately it has "exposed" fans out of the shroud, so I cannot use it anymore. Anyway 25 bucks, holy hell, I got it here in Europe for like 12€.
Amazon wont let me add it to the cart. New egg has it for $15 instead of $25 but it does ship from China.
This looks amazing, unfortunately all my cables plug along there... Plus screw holes only at the top and midway down, not at the bottom 😢
I used one of the EZ brackets for my 7900XTX and it does it's job.
Hopefully this bracket or similar will be included in the PC case accessories soon, GPU's are getting bigger ! Here in the UK the same bracket is on sale for only £10 - a much more realistic price.
Fan size of the GPU also is a factor in mounting this, saw some reviews to where the rubber pad was touching some others GPU fans but you can just trim the rubber pad to fix that. Founders cards shouldn’t have this issues as the flow through fan is on top.
i had this with the 011d, AN absolute god send
Awesomesauce Greg!! I saw this for my Lan Cool II Mesh. But the cheap person in me thought I could do it myself. LOL
That failed because the metal strip with holes didn't line up at both MB stand offs.
If I had really thought about it, I could have just taken flat stock, measured my holes, and drilled it myself.
Instead I bought a JONSBORO brace. Which is ALL METAL! and locked in well.
I have tried others in to hold up my son's 5700XT that were plastic, and sure it kinda worked. But if you needed to adjust, then you couldn't use that same spot again because the plastic was worn away.
I had a toy lightning mcqueen car as my anti sag bracket for a while 😂
Very clever and simple anti-sag mechanism by Lian Li
Lots of GPU's comes with an anti-sag bracket. I found one does the job perfectly, and it doesn't require any screws :)
I much prefer to avoid brackets if possible. Most are far too large and ugly for my liking, IMO.
Glad I haven't had to deal with this yet. But, will use this solution for sure when I can afford to upgrade! Thx Greg!
I own 40s PNY xlr8 graphic card, and they give those antisag supports in box, rather than those bracket ones and I'm grateful they do so, its way better in terms of compatibility but still very effective and very easy to install, and clean looking ( i have inverted atx, motherboard so its was an epic safe from this little metal for me).
Do they accuse you of being BOSS? Cuz that's what you are bud. High Quality video yet again.
My Phanteks Eclipse P500 case came with an anti-sag bracket that bolts into the expansion slot supports at the back of the case. It doesn't have anything that directly touches the GPU shroud. I'm not sure how much support it can actually provide, but it seems to be doing a good job nearly 2 years in.
My AsRock Z790 Steel Legend came with essentially the same bracket (well, different design, but same concept). It was unnecessary until I got the RX7800XT. It was simple enough to install (once confirming the thread size for standoffs). Seems to be a perfect solution, if you give points for 'hiddenness'.
For $25...? Yeah, go to Home Depot/Lowe's/etc. and buy your own tiny brackets.
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Hell yeah. That's a perfect solution!
They'll need to drop the price down to about $10 or a better priced option will take over the market.
A simple solution from Lian Li, but I find it interesting that because it is easily visible, you notice the GPU sag. Have you ever considered the sag, or rather the pressure exerted on the motherboard by giant CPU air coolers? Just asking?
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Very nice video, I have tried several ways to fix this in the past. With varying results
I use the Sharkoon rev case. No sagging possible. Best choice ever.