I used artificial fertiliser for four years after starting my latest garden, as well as 10cm of compost applied as a surface mulch in the first year & 3cm each subsequent year. Amount of fertiliser was reduced each year. This year is the first without using artificial fertiliser & crops are on par with previous years. I use a lot of seaweed in my home made compost, as it costs me nothing except the effort of collecting it from the beach, which I drive past a couple of ties a week.
Thank You for the science. When I send a soil sample or a manure sample to be analyzed, I am being told the plant soluble nutrients available in those samples correct? How do they then determine NPK for organic fertilizers, if the materials need to be broken down by soil life to make it plant available? Stopped buying any fertilizers a couple years ago, using homemade vermicompost, hot compost, leaf mold, cover crops and comfrey as a chop and drop. Stay Well!!!
@@brianseybert192 in tests you get what you pay for. Soluble, extractable, total... NPK figures are also given in different ways depending on local laws and commercial practices. It's always better to read the factsheets carefuly and understand some basic chemistry.
The results will depend on the tests they do. Labs can measure both available nutrients and total nutrients. For soil they usually measure available, because total does not mean much. For fertilizer they will do total.
Surely well rotted manure breaks down quicker than fresh organic matter? My roses love it, I don't think it takes 1-2 years for them to benefit. And won't a liquid fertiliser (e.g. seaweed) also break down quicker?
"Surely well rotted manure breaks down quicker than fresh organic matter?" - You are not comparing apples to apples. Well rotted manure is already broken down quite a bit, both by time and he animals stomach. Yard waste has almost no break down yet. But both are breaking down at similar rates (provided same C:N ratio), but since one is almost finished the race it gets there sooner.
There is no difference in the nitrates that result from applying organic amendments and the nitrates from soluble fertilizers, except that the nitrates in the former case are produced by microbes that are an essential part of a vast below- and above-ground ecosystem that you're not cultivating if you use the latter. So actually a very big difference.
You can read a book by sunlight, or you can read it by the light of a candle. Is it the same book in both cases? The candle is artificial, so it eventually runs out and is not automatically replaced. Like artificial fertilizers. The sun is natural and does not run out. Like the chemical-cultivating ecosystem you describe. Ergo, there is a difference, but not in the actual result.
That is true, that is why I suggest organic material for long term feeding and soil building. But that does not change the basic facts that either source of nitrogen work.
Chick N poo is what I use mostly. Miracle grow in the spring is great for getting the plant’s to take off faster in the north land. I use cardboard with fall leaves on top to prevent weeds. Never have to till. The worms Aerate my soil.
And the vitamins and minerals you take are exactly the same you find in food. It's always amusing when people think science can observe everything. Also, how the fertilizers are and mined and made matters too.
Organic fertilizer slow release and long lasting fertilizer is the way of maintaining soil . Use of Synthetic fertilizer must be only and only if there is a deficiency in the soil
I really appreciate this theoretical explanation and it makes sense to me. I'm curious if you (or anybody) can point me to some data specific to tomato and pepper growing that can actually concretely back this up to show that the yield of these plants is not increased by using a fertilizer higher in phosphorous while the plants are fruiting (as per the common advice). I'm also curious how we know about this 3-1-2 ratio. If its purely by looking at what the plant stores (in a leaf for example), how can we be sure this is correlated with the amount of these nutrients the plant actually uses or the ratio that needs to be present in the soil for effective uptake. Maybe its more difficult for the plant to access one nutrient over the others and so higher soil concentration is required? Maybe the plant stores one in greater volumes due to lack of reliability and less do to the quantity is uses? If the nutrient profile of the fruit and vegtables themselves is so varied, how can this 3-1-2 be universal? Overall I'm just really curious how this value of 3-1-2 was settled upon! I'm sure that some of these questions are easily answered by a better understanding of plant biology that you have considered, but this is one of the most thoughtful sources I've come across when it comes to fertilizing and seems like a better place to ask that the reddit forums where everyone is so certain of their method because they've "had success".
I am having a trucker bring me out 5,000 tons of beef feedlot manure. It will be stock piled near my future corn fields and spread next fall after cotton harvest. It has 120 lbs of NPKS per ton and 40% decomposed organic matter. I have used dairy manure that has 40 lbs per ton. Fields that were manured 30 years ago are still providing yield benefits. Producing 16,000 lbs of grain grain per acre "43560 square ft" demands very much from a soil. Many times more than growing vegetables. The manure is just a part of the all applied needed nutrients. Most except Robert Palvis do not have much knowledge of how nutrients are taken into a plant! And even less understanding of the nutrients that is needed to increase soil organic matter.
This discussion all depends on your end goal. Do you want to feed the roots? Or do you want to feed the soil? Those two questions make each of these two options available to either type of grower and honestly I believe it’s important for both. Synthetic doesn’t mean bad it’s just natures(humans) way of finding advancements for when she(Mother Nature) goes through changes. Now the microbial activity is the key part missing from synthetic if I’m not mistaken. But again it all depends on what you’re trying to feed. All of his information is just for us to consume and take into consideration. “Not a single man has the correct way of gardening until he is only man left alive to do it” just some random words I made up 😅
I have never heard the magic myth but have heard about putting a banana peel in the hole before planting a tomato. I never tried this. I have put rabbit pellet in a larger hole than needed with 3 to 4 inches of soil when planting squash seeds, then covering with another inch of soil. Assuming it's the nitrogen that is available. Regarding myths? Rain, does it wash away all the nutrients (here average is 16 inches between Jan thru June). This has been a dry season, 13 1/2 inches! I hate putting down compost after working so hard on it. Fall seems a popular time with youtubers.
Thanks Robert, I have been asking this question a lot lately: why don't organic fertilizers like Esoma, Dr. Earth etc. list micronutrients? The better synthetic fertilizers list as many as 11 nutrients but the organic fertilizers only list NPK and sometimes Calcium or Iron. Also, is this why organic fertilizers aren't recommended by experts for potted plants?
That is just marketing. People buy organic because it is organic - they don't really care what is in it. The reason organic is not recommended for potted plants is that you never know how much nutrient is actually available to plants. Lets look at an extreme case. Place a banana peel in the bottom of a pot. The plant will starve to death because it provides no nutrients for quite some time.
i am sorry but the entire premise of your vid is wrong. you seem to suggest that the path to fertility is through feeding plants. this is completely wrong. and you have written a book?! i suggest you spend more time studying sources of research not funded by industrial ag. your presentation of organic fertilizers also indicates that you have a very simplistic understanding of soil fertility. this is the first vid of yours i have seen so i do not know if this is the norm for you but i have been gardening since the 70's and hold advance degrees in microbiology, chemistry, and physics among others. we also see the effects of synthetic farming on the soil. most of the industrial farmlands continue to lose fertility and are increasingly in dire shape. there is no magic in regenerative agriculture. in fact there is considerable scientific research showing their benefit. the difference is that those studies are not funded by the industrial agriculture corporations. i spent decades in research and teachings. i know the manipulation of these corporations first hand. regenerative agriculture is not chemistry only. it is also microbiology and physics. the only reason i bother posting this is just in case it reaches even one person and encourages them to actually research studies that were not funded and manipulated by big ag.
Don’t criticize and try to impress with your “scientist” credentials - pay attention. Let me simplify. This video pointed out that synthetic fertilizers provide immediately usable inorganic molecules for our back yard gardens. It also recommended the addition of organic materials season over season to enrich soil over time. It recommended obtaining organic fertilizers locally. That’s hardly an endorsement of “big ag” or commercially produced products, or a commentary on agricultural policy and land management. This video merely addresses the multitude of exaggerated claims of efficacy of various home remedies posted on social media platforms like TikTok.
@@mbh3004 fake huh? well, at least you are consistent. i am not interested in arguing with a corporate shill. not only my credentials not fake, if you have studied any of those topics in any detail, you have learned about my work. i just hope people are smart enough not to listen to this garbage. i am too old to argue. as i said this is to benefit the intelligent viewer. the persistently ignorant need not reply.
interesting read and glad I am not the only one who has your thoughts AlsanPine. Seems we are of a similar age too, and at my time of life I do look to try and help people will to learn through my own experiences and avoid stress where I can. One such method was to stop watching this creator's other videos that are also a little misleading. But to keep things even more simple, if someone wants to be organic, to me, and many, that means not using anything that is artificial, but that is hard when different countries use different criteria. Once again, a concise comment well made!
Magic is possible in the form of more terpenes or more flavor and more nutrients with organic. More shelf life with organics. More water less sugar content with synthetic. These are the fundamental truths or myths I am currently bound to. More pest and disease resistance with organics vs synthetic. Plants in organic soil have to work for their food and this work is stress. Stress makes terpenes.
I just made some banana peel fertilizer! Some of the videos I watched said it will kill your plants and others say it’s awesome. Is it harmful to my vegetable plants?
No. But if you are making it by setting the peel in water for a few days - it adds almost no value for plants. ruclips.net/video/eNX4_f2cpxo/видео.html
Different organic matter have different microbial life hosting properties for instance alfalfa meal is very diverse in microbial life and terpene profile. It's not all about molecules.
That may be true - but has nothing to do with plant growth. For one thing, as the organic material becomes more and more digested - it all starts looking the same.
@@Gardenfundamentals1 not even close! that's why the agriculture industry ruined rhizospheric environments worldwide with their pesticides and direct fertilizer that feed plants rather than the soil!
They are chelators. They help break down organic matter or fertilizer and boost microbial activity. Great for home made potting soil. Leting it cook fore a few weeks before planting.
This type of video lets me and anyone who knows what they are talking about know that we understand the situation. I’m glade I’m not in the bro science group.
@@Gardenfundamentals1 structurally it might be the same, but there are certain isotopes of carbon that can clearly tell you wether something was of organic origin. However i just noticed its a bad example here, because nitrate doesnt contain any carbon. Just because its the same molecule doesnt mean you cant tell wether its organic, that was also my whole Point, not to argue, but to add
@@theblobfish9614 yes, you're right about tracing carbon, but all of the nutrients plants take up are inorganic forms. as far as I know, there is no meaningful way to trace the (organic vs inorganic) origin of inorganic nutrients without human intervention (isotope tracers as you mentioned). the whole point is that once broken down into inorganic forms, these molecules will feed plants just the same regardless of whether they were once part of organic compounds or not. so your point about C-14 isn't really relevant.
I guess that supposed "myth" is bait.. but no, orgànic fertilizers are no way almost the same. Why would we mix greens and browns in compost, if it all was so similar? Manures can also have very different NPK figures, some of them 'stronger' (more available N) than others. Many of those have high urine content and nutrients are available to the plant immediately (no need to add synth fertilizers in new gardens). In longer stored manures many readily available nutrients have been washed away or volatilized, being more suited for long term fertilization or even just improving structure. All this should have been explained in a very different way.
_orgànic fertilizers are no way almost the same. Why would we mix greens and browns_ I think you're conflating organic material and *organic fertilizers.*
@@shawnsg If you take a look at the video, you'll see how it's argued that all organic matter is almost the same, even comparing chlorophyll to hemoglobine. Furthermore, 'compost' and manures are just organic matter with different levels of decomposition - and its fertilizing power being the NH4, NO3, P2O5... being released from source material during that process. Greens and browns are used due to its different nutrient content (more or less C:N ratio), and depending on you using more or less greens or browns (and maturing time, and...) will result in a different compost type with different fertilizing capabilities. Fresh rabbit sh*t is also waaaay different to mature sheep manure.
Plants can use everything on the periodic table, however some things they don't want a lot of. You want healthy plants? Promote soil biology. Microbes are the secret.
@@comfortablynumb9342can you cite them? I studied phytoplankton for my PhD, which are very similar in nutritional needs to plants. It was very much not the prevailing paradigm that phytoplankton can "use everything on the periodic table"
Such a great article, so helpful. Then you had to ruin it with the snake oil salesman subliminal. Now, I can't use the link to my plant group, where it would help so many. Would you remove that so I can use it? I appreciate all your gardening information so much. It a shame not to be able to provide this to many.
Do Synthetic nutrients cost more energy to produce than say fermentation of sugar beet? Ergo forget about splitting ions..what about the soil Carbon in high % synthetic N nutrients versus typically lower concentration organic products? Its not the NO3- is the same either way, there is a wider arguement. Also the base materail might select in favour of a particular biome and rhis might improve plant health?? Do you feel bad for the childish trump fade now?
_synthetic cost more energy than sugar beet fermentation?_ Nitrogen? Do you have a magical source of sugar beets? If not then you have to source the seed, grow them, harvest them, ferment them and then apply it. Don't forget that they can't provide more nutrients than they took in. Realistically you will lose some nitrogen through various processes. All in all, you will have a net loss of nitrogen from the soil. So no I don't think synthetic costs more than sugar beet fermentation.
Have you not seen the multitude of social media posts of DIY plant fertilizer hacks? That is what is meant by the magic fertilizer. And there are plenty of people who believe that various kitchen scraps are garden gold because it’s natural. We know there is more to it. This video is trying to show that.
@@mbh3004 kitchen scraps are fertilizer. If someone called them magic that’s funny. Using synthetic chemical fertilizer is not something I think is smart
@@henrysaw3091 I think organic means “contains carbon”. Not sure. It would have been more accurate for me to use the word “natural”, or maybe “real”, or “soil amendments”, but I guess I was going along with the terminology of the video. I personally only use natural fertilizers in my gardens. I have a wide variety of natural inputs that provide me with amazing produce. Synthetic chemicals are great for large scale factory farmers who are more concerned about $ than food quality and environmental degradation
And your comment is absolutely worthless. 🤷🏻♂️ When saying something like this, you MAY tell us, why this is. Otherwise you can just keep it to yourself, thanks
Inspired by this comment I simply had to watch the video. 😂. Having heard many of the myths myself, I was curious to hear his perspective. My organic plots do not do as well as my hydroponic plots. Nevertheless, I think it important to understand and use the information in the video as a guide. I will also need to get my soil tested to understand what actually is happening in my garden. He is right. Organic is not a panacea. Organic is simply a challenge and an opportunity to do better using local resources.
@@torexinc.8762 Well, this video has itself a lot of mistakes and misleading information. For people who are familiar with farming, It IS quite obvious.
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I used artificial fertiliser for four years after starting my latest garden, as well as 10cm of compost applied as a surface mulch in the first year & 3cm each subsequent year. Amount of fertiliser was reduced each year.
This year is the first without using artificial fertiliser & crops are on par with previous years.
I use a lot of seaweed in my home made compost, as it costs me nothing except the effort of collecting it from the beach, which I drive past a couple of ties a week.
Thank You for the science.
When I send a soil sample or a manure sample to be analyzed, I am being told the plant soluble nutrients available in those samples correct?
How do they then determine NPK for organic fertilizers, if the materials need to be broken down by soil life to make it plant available?
Stopped buying any fertilizers a couple years ago, using homemade vermicompost, hot compost, leaf mold, cover crops and comfrey as a chop and drop.
Stay Well!!!
@@brianseybert192 in tests you get what you pay for. Soluble, extractable, total...
NPK figures are also given in different ways depending on local laws and commercial practices. It's always better to read the factsheets carefuly and understand some basic chemistry.
The results will depend on the tests they do. Labs can measure both available nutrients and total nutrients. For soil they usually measure available, because total does not mean much. For fertilizer they will do total.
NPK values in all developed countries are the same, as far as i know.
Surely well rotted manure breaks down quicker than fresh organic matter? My roses love it, I don't think it takes 1-2 years for them to benefit. And won't a liquid fertiliser (e.g. seaweed) also break down quicker?
"Surely well rotted manure breaks down quicker than fresh organic matter?" - You are not comparing apples to apples.
Well rotted manure is already broken down quite a bit, both by time and he animals stomach. Yard waste has almost no break down yet. But both are breaking down at similar rates (provided same C:N ratio), but since one is almost finished the race it gets there sooner.
@@Gardenfundamentals1and how is organic to synthetic apples to apples? Your video sucks and is wrong
There is no difference in the nitrates that result from applying organic amendments and the nitrates from soluble fertilizers, except that the nitrates in the former case are produced by microbes that are an essential part of a vast below- and above-ground ecosystem that you're not cultivating if you use the latter. So actually a very big difference.
You can read a book by sunlight, or you can read it by the light of a candle. Is it the same book in both cases?
The candle is artificial, so it eventually runs out and is not automatically replaced. Like artificial fertilizers.
The sun is natural and does not run out. Like the chemical-cultivating ecosystem you describe.
Ergo, there is a difference, but not in the actual result.
Thank you for your expertise - it sure is saving tons of money - get any company fertilizer on sale ..to feed your soil throughout the year ..
That is true, that is why I suggest organic material for long term feeding and soil building. But that does not change the basic facts that either source of nitrogen work.
Chick N poo is what I use mostly. Miracle grow in the spring is great for getting the plant’s to take off faster in the north land. I use cardboard with fall leaves on top to prevent weeds. Never have to till. The worms Aerate my soil.
And the vitamins and minerals you take are exactly the same you find in food. It's always amusing when people think science can observe everything. Also, how the fertilizers are and mined and made matters too.
Organic fertilizer slow release and long lasting fertilizer is the way of maintaining soil . Use of Synthetic fertilizer must be only and only if there is a deficiency in the soil
Can you talk about chilli pepper, garlic and white vinegar as DIY pesticides.
What do you think about trifecta?
Excellent information! Thank you!
I really appreciate this theoretical explanation and it makes sense to me. I'm curious if you (or anybody) can point me to some data specific to tomato and pepper growing that can actually concretely back this up to show that the yield of these plants is not increased by using a fertilizer higher in phosphorous while the plants are fruiting (as per the common advice). I'm also curious how we know about this 3-1-2 ratio. If its purely by looking at what the plant stores (in a leaf for example), how can we be sure this is correlated with the amount of these nutrients the plant actually uses or the ratio that needs to be present in the soil for effective uptake.
Maybe its more difficult for the plant to access one nutrient over the others and so higher soil concentration is required? Maybe the plant stores one in greater volumes due to lack of reliability and less do to the quantity is uses? If the nutrient profile of the fruit and vegtables themselves is so varied, how can this 3-1-2 be universal? Overall I'm just really curious how this value of 3-1-2 was settled upon!
I'm sure that some of these questions are easily answered by a better understanding of plant biology that you have considered, but this is one of the most thoughtful sources I've come across when it comes to fertilizing and seems like a better place to ask that the reddit forums where everyone is so certain of their method because they've "had success".
I am having a trucker bring me out 5,000 tons of beef feedlot manure. It will be stock piled near my future corn fields and spread next fall after cotton harvest. It has 120 lbs of NPKS per ton and 40% decomposed organic matter. I have used dairy manure that has 40 lbs per ton. Fields that were manured 30 years ago are still providing yield benefits. Producing 16,000 lbs of grain grain per acre "43560 square ft" demands very much from a soil. Many times more than growing vegetables. The manure is just a part of the all applied needed nutrients. Most except Robert Palvis do not have much knowledge of how nutrients are taken into a plant! And even less understanding of the nutrients that is needed to increase soil organic matter.
This discussion all depends on your end goal. Do you want to feed the roots? Or do you want to feed the soil? Those two questions make each of these two options available to either type of grower and honestly I believe it’s important for both. Synthetic doesn’t mean bad it’s just natures(humans) way of finding advancements for when she(Mother Nature) goes through changes. Now the microbial activity is the key part missing from synthetic if I’m not mistaken. But again it all depends on what you’re trying to feed. All of his information is just for us to consume and take into consideration. “Not a single man has the correct way of gardening until he is only man left alive to do it” just some random words I made up 😅
I have never heard the magic myth but have heard about putting a banana peel in the hole before planting a tomato. I never tried this. I have put rabbit pellet in a larger hole than needed with 3 to 4 inches of soil when planting squash seeds, then covering with another inch of soil. Assuming it's the nitrogen that is available. Regarding myths? Rain, does it wash away all the nutrients (here average is 16 inches between Jan thru June). This has been a dry season, 13 1/2 inches! I hate putting down compost after working so hard on it. Fall seems a popular time with youtubers.
Very informative!
Great info thx!
The best is to play an organ in your garden. That's how you get the best organic vegetables.
Thanks Robert, I have been asking this question a lot lately: why don't organic fertilizers like Esoma, Dr. Earth etc. list micronutrients? The better synthetic fertilizers list as many as 11 nutrients but the organic fertilizers only list NPK and sometimes Calcium or Iron. Also, is this why organic fertilizers aren't recommended by experts for potted plants?
That is just marketing. People buy organic because it is organic - they don't really care what is in it.
The reason organic is not recommended for potted plants is that you never know how much nutrient is actually available to plants. Lets look at an extreme case. Place a banana peel in the bottom of a pot. The plant will starve to death because it provides no nutrients for quite some time.
So the banana peels are ok for our soil.. My concern is they will creat unfavorable results.. like attracting animals or pests?
i am sorry but the entire premise of your vid is wrong. you seem to suggest that the path to fertility is through feeding plants. this is completely wrong. and you have written a book?! i suggest you spend more time studying sources of research not funded by industrial ag. your presentation of organic fertilizers also indicates that you have a very simplistic understanding of soil fertility. this is the first vid of yours i have seen so i do not know if this is the norm for you but i have been gardening since the 70's and hold advance degrees in microbiology, chemistry, and physics among others. we also see the effects of synthetic farming on the soil. most of the industrial farmlands continue to lose fertility and are increasingly in dire shape. there is no magic in regenerative agriculture. in fact there is considerable scientific research showing their benefit. the difference is that those studies are not funded by the industrial agriculture corporations. i spent decades in research and teachings. i know the manipulation of these corporations first hand. regenerative agriculture is not chemistry only. it is also microbiology and physics. the only reason i bother posting this is just in case it reaches even one person and encourages them to actually research studies that were not funded and manipulated by big ag.
Don’t criticize and try to impress with your “scientist” credentials - pay attention. Let me simplify. This video pointed out that synthetic fertilizers provide immediately usable inorganic molecules for our back yard gardens. It also recommended the addition of organic materials season over season to enrich soil over time. It recommended obtaining organic fertilizers locally. That’s hardly an endorsement of “big ag” or commercially produced products, or a commentary on agricultural policy and land management. This video merely addresses the multitude of exaggerated claims of efficacy of various home remedies posted on social media platforms like TikTok.
@@mbh3004 fake huh? well, at least you are consistent. i am not interested in arguing with a corporate shill. not only my credentials not fake, if you have studied any of those topics in any detail, you have learned about my work. i just hope people are smart enough not to listen to this garbage. i am too old to argue. as i said this is to benefit the intelligent viewer. the persistently ignorant need not reply.
He is a rage baiter
interesting read and glad I am not the only one who has your thoughts AlsanPine. Seems we are of a similar age too, and at my time of life I do look to try and help people will to learn through my own experiences and avoid stress where I can. One such method was to stop watching this creator's other videos that are also a little misleading. But to keep things even more simple, if someone wants to be organic, to me, and many, that means not using anything that is artificial, but that is hard when different countries use different criteria. Once again, a concise comment well made!
@@mbh3004 I agree with your summary.
Magic is possible in the form of more terpenes or more flavor and more nutrients with organic. More shelf life with organics. More water less sugar content with synthetic. These are the fundamental truths or myths I am currently bound to. More pest and disease resistance with organics vs synthetic. Plants in organic soil have to work for their food and this work is stress. Stress makes terpenes.
Can you talk about Humic acid, and liquid "aeration" products ?
A lot of these topics are discussed in my blog.
www.gardenmyths.com/humic-substances-humic-acid-garden/
www.gardenmyths.com/liquid-lawn-aeration/
I just made some banana peel fertilizer! Some of the videos I watched said it will kill your plants and others say it’s awesome. Is it harmful to my vegetable plants?
No. But if you are making it by setting the peel in water for a few days - it adds almost no value for plants.
ruclips.net/video/eNX4_f2cpxo/видео.html
Different organic matter have different microbial life hosting properties for instance alfalfa meal is very diverse in microbial life and terpene profile. It's not all about molecules.
That may be true - but has nothing to do with plant growth. For one thing, as the organic material becomes more and more digested - it all starts looking the same.
@@Gardenfundamentals1 not even close! that's why the agriculture industry ruined rhizospheric environments worldwide with their pesticides and direct fertilizer that feed plants rather than the soil!
What about the humic acids ?
They are chelators. They help break down organic matter or fertilizer and boost microbial activity. Great for home made potting soil. Leting it cook fore a few weeks before planting.
www.gardenmyths.com/humic-substances-humic-acid-garden/
This type of video lets me and anyone who knows what they are talking about know that we understand the situation. I’m glade I’m not in the bro science group.
Plz increase sound level in your videos. Have to listen to the maximum volume due to very low sound.
The sound is adjusted to be at the high end of the recommended range.
Its easy for ablab to tell organic and synthetic Nitrate for example apart with C14 carbon analysises
You are misinformed. A nitrate from either source is the same.
@@Gardenfundamentals1 structurally it might be the same, but there are certain isotopes of carbon that can clearly tell you wether something was of organic origin. However i just noticed its a bad example here, because nitrate doesnt contain any carbon. Just because its the same molecule doesnt mean you cant tell wether its organic, that was also my whole Point, not to argue, but to add
@@theblobfish9614 yes, you're right about tracing carbon, but all of the nutrients plants take up are inorganic forms. as far as I know, there is no meaningful way to trace the (organic vs inorganic) origin of inorganic nutrients without human intervention (isotope tracers as you mentioned). the whole point is that once broken down into inorganic forms, these molecules will feed plants just the same regardless of whether they were once part of organic compounds or not. so your point about C-14 isn't really relevant.
@@himb9388 yeah i acknowledged the irrelevance already in a previous comment, especially in regards to nitrate
I guess that supposed "myth" is bait.. but no, orgànic fertilizers are no way almost the same. Why would we mix greens and browns in compost, if it all was so similar? Manures can also have very different NPK figures, some of them 'stronger' (more available N) than others. Many of those have high urine content and nutrients are available to the plant immediately (no need to add synth fertilizers in new gardens). In longer stored manures many readily available nutrients have been washed away or volatilized, being more suited for long term fertilization or even just improving structure.
All this should have been explained in a very different way.
There is research in the last couple years that plants release exudates to farm microbes, archaea and bacteria mostly.
_orgànic fertilizers are no way almost the same. Why would we mix greens and browns_
I think you're conflating organic material and *organic fertilizers.*
@@shawnsg If you take a look at the video, you'll see how it's argued that all organic matter is almost the same, even comparing chlorophyll to hemoglobine. Furthermore, 'compost' and manures are just organic matter with different levels of decomposition - and its fertilizing power being the NH4, NO3, P2O5... being released from source material during that process.
Greens and browns are used due to its different nutrient content (more or less C:N ratio), and depending on you using more or less greens or browns (and maturing time, and...) will result in a different compost type with different fertilizing capabilities.
Fresh rabbit sh*t is also waaaay different to mature sheep manure.
This is the internet! Everyone wants to share the secret that “they” don’t want you to know about! But now is your chance!…🥴
Maybe inorganic fertilizers should just be used the same way humans use supplements ie not as a replacement for actual food
You missed a key point in the video - real food for plants is inorganic fertilizers.
Plants can use everything on the periodic table, however some things they don't want a lot of.
You want healthy plants? Promote soil biology. Microbes are the secret.
"Plants can use everything on the periodic table" - that is not correct.
www.gardenmyths.com/trace-mineral-fertilizers-how-many-nutrients-plants-need/
@@Gardenfundamentals1 I've seen studies that disagree.
@@comfortablynumb9342can you cite them? I studied phytoplankton for my PhD, which are very similar in nutritional needs to plants. It was very much not the prevailing paradigm that phytoplankton can "use everything on the periodic table"
Such a great article, so helpful. Then you had to ruin it with the snake oil salesman subliminal. Now, I can't use the link to my plant group, where it would help so many. Would you remove that so I can use it? I appreciate all your gardening information so much. It a shame not to be able to provide this to many.
Are you a Monsanto shareholder my man ? 😂 you sound like one to me .
Science against facts 😂😂😂😂😂
Why did you show a picture of Trump at 7:45? Why don't you leave your political views out of it.
Very disappointing
i just unsubscribed because of that. i guess hes a Camela fan
Do Synthetic nutrients cost more energy to produce than say fermentation of sugar beet?
Ergo forget about splitting ions..what about the soil Carbon in high % synthetic N nutrients versus typically lower concentration organic products?
Its not the NO3- is the same either way, there is a wider arguement. Also the base materail might select in favour of a particular biome and rhis might improve plant health??
Do you feel bad for the childish trump fade now?
_synthetic cost more energy than sugar beet fermentation?_
Nitrogen? Do you have a magical source of sugar beets? If not then you have to source the seed, grow them, harvest them, ferment them and then apply it.
Don't forget that they can't provide more nutrients than they took in. Realistically you will lose some nitrogen through various processes. All in all, you will have a net loss of nitrogen from the soil.
So no I don't think synthetic costs more than sugar beet fermentation.
Nobody thinks organic fertilizer is magic. I am not amused by this guy’s delivery
Have you not seen the multitude of social media posts of DIY plant fertilizer hacks? That is what is meant by the magic fertilizer. And there are plenty of people who believe that various kitchen scraps are garden gold because it’s natural. We know there is more to it. This video is trying to show that.
@@mbh3004 kitchen scraps are fertilizer. If someone called them magic that’s funny. Using synthetic chemical fertilizer is not something I think is smart
@@montrealbroadwayCan you explain me what is organic and inorganic really means?
@@henrysaw3091 I think organic means “contains carbon”. Not sure. It would have been more accurate for me to use the word “natural”, or maybe “real”, or “soil amendments”, but I guess I was going along with the terminology of the video. I personally only use natural fertilizers in my gardens. I have a wide variety of natural inputs that provide me with amazing produce. Synthetic chemicals are great for large scale factory farmers who are more concerned about $ than food quality and environmental degradation
1) Then you have not been paying attention to social media or the marketing hype for these products.
2) I was not trying to "amuse" you.
This is by far the least useful, misleading video of yours Robert. I love nearly all of your stuff but this, no.
And your comment is absolutely worthless. 🤷🏻♂️
When saying something like this, you MAY tell us, why this is. Otherwise you can just keep it to yourself, thanks
Inspired by this comment I simply had to watch the video. 😂. Having heard many of the myths myself, I was curious to hear his perspective. My organic plots do not do as well as my hydroponic plots. Nevertheless, I think it important to understand and use the information in the video as a guide. I will also need to get my soil tested to understand what actually is happening in my garden. He is right. Organic is not a panacea. Organic is simply a challenge and an opportunity to do better using local resources.
Your comment is even more useless without further context as to why, assuming it's not already obvious, which it doesn't seem to be.
@@torexinc.8762 Well, this video has itself a lot of mistakes and misleading information. For people who are familiar with farming, It IS quite obvious.
Mr Pavlis is a master of deceiving, everything he says is twisted. And so many poor souls believe him 😂😂😂
no one cares about your political views dude
Was that Trump? 🫢
Yep. He put Trump as the snake oil salesman just two days after Trump was almost assassinated. I guess we know his political slant.
yeah i guess he likes Camela