They cant tell the truth because of the politics. It would be jumped on as they would have to say unpopular things and have to contradict previously stated things. Also, it suits politicians to have a confused population- better still a scared or angry population, (providing they also give them someone else to direct their anger at. ie the EU) that means they are easier to control and dictate too.
You forgot one opt-out that frankly pisses off a lot of EU Countries: The UK is not a member of the EU agricultural policy (since the days of Thatcher), because Britain would be a net contributor to that program. In total, the UK paid roughly 110 billion Euro less than what they should have paid if they were a "normal" member. I doubt you would get a similar deal again.
We're one of the only nations that actually payed into the EU. Up to 30% of 27 nations budget. Also none of you are standing up to your measly 2% NATO requirements but us.
@@etherealhawk And even so UK is one of the ones that pays less per citizen of the countries that pays. The country that pays more to EU is Germany (Is also the biggest country). Never forget that most EU nations are small, in terms of population UK have more than the last 15 countries together. Also bigger countries have a lot more power in the parlament of EU. UK have 73 members in the parlament, Malta have 6 (6 is the minimum, the last 4 countries have it), Romania the 7th have 32. Again if you look at the last countries UK have the same number has the last 9th countries together. NATO and EU are 2 different things, in fact there is countries that are in NATO and not in EU and countries in EU that are not in NATO.
What strikes me is how many pro-hard Brexit lay folk and politicians seem to regard the character of the EU negotiation stance and the stipulations it has made during negotiation as the EU trying to punish the UK. Or that the EU is attempting to exert some kind of control over the UK in order to harm it. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of EU member states governments actually want very dearly to minimise the harm Brexit could cause both the EU and UK but naturally both the EU itself and it’s member states MUST place their own interests above those of the UK when striking the balance. The EU and it’s members never could have acceded to every demand Britain made if it/them without seriously damaging the Union and themselves. The a la carte approach the UK wanted was always completely off the cards. The deal May has been able to present to parliament is the result of this fundamental reality. It’s not punishment, it’s the EU and it’s member states protecting their interests. The EU did exactly what it has always done, which is use real power politics to defend the interests of its member states and insure any agreements it makes in their behalf strengthens the position of the EU. It could never have done any differently. And when the UK still wanted to be a member it was both happy and highly involved in making sure that this was exactly how the EU operated. And they are now surprised that this is what it has done? What else did they expect?
I am not sure what you have been watching lol. The EU has fought against it at every hurdle because they know they cannot allow it to run smoothly or work out for the UK as other countries will follow suit. It would be the destruction of the EU and its been blatantly obvious because its what the EU is, authoritarian tyrants that want to control everything and dictate what everyone does. Just look at how they are treating Poland, Hungary, Czeck Rep when they refuse to bend to the will of the EU. The EU needs to be abolished. There is no reason for it to exist other than to control all and now they are pushing for an EU military you see this more and more. Countries can get along and make deals with each other fine without the EU.
jollyscarecrow what would have been very dangerous to the future of the EU would have been to allow the U.K. to cherry pick which fundamental freedoms it wanted enjoy and to enjoy most of the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities. The EU was clear from the start that this would not be possible. I’m not sure who or what you think the EU is. The EU expresses the will of its member states, it is allowed the responsibilities it has by its member states. The council of ministers (ie. ministers for foreign affairs of its member states) is its supreme ruling body. The commission is staffed by member state’s appointees. In what possible way can you credibly claim that such an organisation is tyrannical? It does nothing without the express permission of its member states, numerous decisions made at EU level are subject to national veto, or are accented to by qualified majority voting. The parliament has extremely limited competencies. It does not even have the power to propose EU legislation. In which specific way can you evidence the EU actually tyrannising its member states? The situations in Poland, and Hungary are instances of member states attempting to behave in ways which subvert the agreements they made as conditions of admission to the EU. Rule of law, freedom of the press, democracy, independent judicial systems these are all norms which are required if a state wishes to be a member of the EU. Poland and Hungary are attempting to vitiate all of those things. The EU is attempting to dissuade them from doing so. But it has little power to do more than that without the express permission of its member states. Given that America is proposing to renege on its obligations to NATO what else would you have the EU do than increase military cooperation in order to defend itself from the ongoing threat of Russian aggression? If the EU failed to defend its member states from Russian expansionism it would be pointless being a member. Creating an EU army, under current conditions, is actually the most sensible course of action.
It was obvious from the very beginning that the choice was between Stay and Hard-Brexit. There is no way the EU lets the UK get a good deal, that's contrary to their existence as an organization and against their best interest. This is so obvious. Why on earth would the EU give the UK a good deal? They are holding all the cards. To think that this was not obvious to so many folks in the UK is astounding.
@@sharkracer plus there are rules and laws, all of them agreed by the uk, that the eu needs to follow. There just isn't much wiggleroom. And the room that is there will be decided by the eu members to be as benneficial to them as possible based on the uk's negotiating position. The deal that is there now reflects the negotiating power the uk has in this agreement. This is what the eu deems worth while over a hard exit. At that point it is up to the uk what for them would be most benneficial them. It isn't rocket science.
@@mayeastrise Do you know what the EU receives from the U.K. and what they currently possess from the U.K.? thought not. Now stop listening to the shitty propaganda and get better educated on the subject.
@@Richard-r7u6c wow wtaf mate, you're saying HE READS THE PROPAGANDA?! Do YOU realise what the UK gains from the EU rather than the other way around? All the EU asks from us is a large fee, plus that we uphold their requirements to be an EU member of state, which are stands we've upheld way before we were in the EU anyway so that's not even changing anything on our terms. In return we get a customs-free single market with rights to roam, work, love, live and retire anywhere you please without changing nationality, plus large funding to any projects that this country feels it needs and that the EU sees as a good idea I.e renewable energy, public leisure and healthcare facilities, shelters for the homeless, etc. And on top of that, an international goal to achieve a better world without tyranny or terrorism... Now tell me what the fuck is actually wrong with ANY of those things? Because all you're doing is screaming for it to be taken away just so we can get a cash injection that is not guaranteed to go towards the NHS and has already been lied about in terms of its total sum... Stop reading what's on the side of buses or on the front page of the Sun and get out there and REALLY understand what happens!
@@Richard-r7u6c Do you know how many big companies opened factories or offices in the UK because it gave them access to the European market? Do you know how many European workers came to the UK to prop up the economy or your healthcare system?
Correct. When revoking article 50 it is expected the UK will be held responsible for the costs of Brexit until now and therefor there is a big chance the UK will not receive back her rebate which is just under 6 billion euros.
@@czarzenana5125 Of course Blair gave away half the rebate, hoping for a better deal on the Common Agricultural policy and got nowhere. You can't talk to them. Just leave.
Which would mean the next referendum's (have to have another in 2 years, yeah?) leave message. "They said 350m a week was a lie. But never said "It's only 200m". Why not? Oh yeah, and now the net cost, so correctly shutting up any complaints, is 300m a week."
Not really think of it like... If a dog got its leg trapped its better to cut off the leg then leave for dead. Eu will end soon so its better the country takes this hit to strengthen for future collapse of economies and eu.
I think that they ned to e already accept their choice as at this point this will be the best route. Getting in with the same deal is not happening. Since going back won’t fix it, they might as well get ready to face reality and start negotiating trade deals and making their new freedom work.
I would love to see brexit reversed but im also starting to think we deserve the dumpster fire we get from a no deal. Who knows, maybe the EU can finally make progress towards a united states of europe without us constantly pissing all over any good idea.
They'll have to bump up their military because America isn't interested in helping them against Russia. But Germany would probably let them roll right in so long as they still have cheap gas.
Autsch that hurts. But i agree that Germany is way to dependent on Russian Gas (dont forget the eastern EU Nations its way worse there) Eu Parliament needs to make some steps ahead and we need to look after Italia and the Visegard States they are up for trouble. Hopefully we all will have a good Relationship.
Germany tried and failed twice to create an united states of Europe. The EU is yet another attempt and you're wholly for it. For shame! The reason it won't work is because most Europeans identify as that last. We're called an UK because even we can't manage to suppress NI, Scotland, and Wales into adopting the English flag - and we rule them! But who can blame them? Similar to the current state of the Baltics. Germany's 3rd attempt at an unified Europe will end in yet another war. However, they are cunning enough to try and get this without ever having fired a bullet. But the EU Army and how they intend use it will determine what comes next.
@@Carl-hs420a so much bs in a comment. You do realize that Germany is not the head of the EU or was the only founding member, right? It is called an union for a reason. You seriously have no idea of history if you are willing to compare the EU to the Prussian Empire.
The real question should be is how did the government fuck up brexit so badly? The people voted to leave, She managed to negotiate us in to a vassal state.
Hey, Spaniard here. I'm sry to say this but... hope the UK doesn't really get those many options from Brussels in case they reverse Brexit. You can't just go and play with an international megaconstruct like the EU and hope to make as you wish (or at least you shouldn't in my view) If you decide something, it has consecuences.
I'm finding it really hard to understand how is this being compared to the German Reich of WW1 and WW2. These comparisons are abysmal. No one mentioned a European Superstate and a centralized military branch is more efficient than a decentralized clusterfuck of uncoordinated armies. You think the US army would be worth a shit if all their states had their own militaries? It'd be a bloody joke. I mean good god people if you don't wanna be in the EU you don't need scapegoats.
I don't want to sound rude, but I'm german. So I have to meet my stereotype. The UK should stick with their decision to leave. They had a really good position in the EU but if that wasn't good enough for them, then leave. But , deal or no-deal, the UK will suffer an economically deficit. So dear Brits, i am begging you, life with the consequences and learn from your mistake. Then, we might be able to take you serious again, some day.
Max Pelz are you referring to all ‘Brits’, the 53% that voted to leave, the U.K. government, just England and Wales that voted to leave or do you include Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to stay. Yep what a mess but there is a name for grouping whole populations together and assuming they all have the same opinions and characteristics! I am U.K. born but have lived in Southern Ireland for over half of my life. Have a son who lives in Germany and think the idea of leaving Europe is frankly stupid. As do many of my countrymen before the referendum.
@@Robin-cf9ts I understand your frustration but I am sure Max Pelz knows that not all the British people voted out but the Brexit voters won so it simply means Britain wants out. I am not British and I think with the Brexit fiasco Britain had shot itself in the foot
Windows Sucks for sure mate but I get tired sometimes of reading through some of the comments. Particularly when they contain sweeping statements or sound bite opinions. It’s an unfortunate side affect that these can feed some who look to enhance their own prejudices. When I do comment it is usually to attempt to counter such silliness on either side of a debate. However I need to accept thus has it been so will it always be 😩 Yep your right re brexit. I suspect that the U.K. (the powers that be) are looking towards the states and the emergent economies with greed. But I believe they are only swapping the gentle influence of Europe for the dangerous malignant influences of a currently imperialist USA.
Actually as a continental european I always found the idea that the UK lost it's hillarious rebate once and for all by having to rejoin at a later point quite elating.
@@ASexyGeek Careful now, once Brexit is done and over with you'll have to go out and collect that dirt yourself as nobody will want to move to a third world country.
what makes me even more enraged then i already am is that the brits never thought themselves as europeans , they were always british , a 'cut above the rest ' i should say .FINALLY they are realizing they are not .OBVIOUSLY not all the brits are like that but the fact that they have people in their government who do is infuriating to say the least .
9:20 Also important to note that we get a rebate to what we pay into the EU which would be almost impossible to renegotiate to the same level as we have now.
Reversing the article 50 invocation is not possible. If it were, same or some other article would have to specify the procedure for it. Since no such thing exists, it is not possible. About the closest to reversing would be extending the 2 year transition period and doing so indefinitely. But that requires _both_ the parties (the member leaving, the UK in this instance, and the rest of the EU) to agree to it. Alternately the treaty can be amended to add a procedure for revoking a notice under article 50. This will require the consent of all the EU member states. If a member is free to unilaterally revoke a notice under article 50, it would mean the rest of the union will not know until the 2 years have expired as to whether the member will remain or leave, which makes a mockery of the 2 year period itself. What is the EU supposed to do if the UK revokes the notice the day before the 2 year period expires and gives a fresh notice the next day and does that whenever they want and for as long as they want? The UK remaining in the EU is off the table, with the treaties as they stand.
If the question had been settled by the ECJ at any other time, then you would probably be right. If a "People's Vote", however, return a clear Remain majority, then the ECJ will be under a lot of pressure to accept their revoking of Article 50. The ECJ, like any other court, isn't wholly apolitical, they won't be able to make their judgment on purely legalistic ground.
@@solalflechelles1216 What about the will of the people of the EU27, who don't fancy getting forced to pay for the negotiations with the UK during Brexit (and the costs of getting the whole union prepared for Brexit proper) only for the Brits to say "Nevermind then, we'll stay as is". In your hypothetical scenario, why will the ECJ not take into account the will of those people as well and decide that unilateral revocation is not an option?
@@solalflechelles1216 That is what I would call triumph of hope over logic! Why would the ECJ care so much about the wishes of the British, without ascertaining the wishes of the people in the rest of the EU? If the rest of the EU were agreeable to the UK continuing in the EU, here are a few simple steps that can be followed to achieve that. 1. The UK seeks and gets a people's vote to continue in the EU. 2. The UK requests the EU for an extension of the negotiating period and gets it. 3. The UK proposes an amendment to the Lisbon Treaty which specifies a procedure for revocation of a notice given under Article 50. 4. All EU members approve the amendment. 5. The UK revokes the notice as per the procedure. Thinking in terms of unilaterally revoking a notice under Article 50 and expecting that the EU has no choice but accept it is the same arrogance and small-mindedness that brought about the current situation. It won't be the one to get the UK out of it. If the ECJ recognised as a member having the right to unilaterally revoke a notice given under Article 50 (whatever the internal mechanisms used justify it be) while the treaties have no such provision, it is not difficult to imagine the impact it will have on the rest of the EU countries. A populist party promises to issue notice under Article 50 and if the negotiations aren't going to their satisfaction, just revoke it. The EU should have a permanent exit negotiator for each member. There is a reason why the EU refused to negotiate any deal with David Cameron before the referendum. No member may blackmail the union using Article 50 as a threat.
Ha ha, funny thing us it's the Euro that buggered but you'll never read about it in the Guardian, all that austerity and more to come for the poor Europeans, really feel sorry for them, once Macron gets his reforms it'll really start to hurt.
@@jono3447 Macron's reforms may hurt us too, if French firms can compete more effectively with UK ones. Their productivity has been better than the UK's for years. Hence their higher unemployment.
a simple majority vote on an irreversible foreign policy decision is ludicrous and should not be respected. to anyone who has even a basic understanding of how public opinion works, that's not the will of the people it's the whim of the people.
@Patternicity The will of the people are their whims, it's been that way since the Roman Republic. the plebeians will always act like jackasses when it suits them. that's democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if you want intelligent people making important decisions that they are familiar & expert with, i'd suggest adopting a Feudalistic government.
@S. F. P. I guess you don't understand that the UK is a parliamentary democracy, which means you leave the decision-making to the representatives you elect, since the majority of people cannot be expected to understand each and every complex issue involving such things as international trade and customs. Submitting Brexit to a referendum is not an act of democracy, rather it's just crass populism. In the same way we don't submit to a popular vote how a brain surgeon should proceed in the operating room, it is irresponsible to submit Brexit to a popular vote. More so with zero explanations on what it entailed. I say we cancel Brexit and get on with our lives.
@@marth8000 Actually, studies have indicated that, in general, a crowd of idiots more consistently gets the right answer across a broad spectrum of subjects than any single expert. Feudalism doesn't work out. In fact, we have seen quite clearly across the 20th-21st centuries that any government where all the power rests in the hands of a few individuals doesn't work-- whether you go fascism or communism, it always fails. Then again, the laissez faire capitalism that the conservatives push for seems inevitably to result in oligarchy which is close enough to feudalism, so I guess we are inevitably going to get that anyway.
Who are you people replying to? I don't even oppose the idea of a referendum, as long as it's done right. Parliamentary elections are temporary and reversible. If you're going to vote on a permanent foreign policy decision like Scotland leaving the UK or Brexit (both of which I have mixed feelings about) then there should be a higher threshold than just a simple majority. It's not complicated guys. These things should require at least a two-thirds vote. If you're voting on a new constitution I would bump that up to a 3/4 supermajority. This whole line of argument that calling the brexit vote illegitimate means you're against democracy is ridiculous, and it's sad to see no one argue against it.
Good video, but... 1) you keep mispronouncing Schengen - there's 'g' (as in 'guy') in there 2) in case of referendum, EU will likely agree to extension of A50 to give UK time to organize it properly
@@KM-op6gj TLDR News suggested, that there's no time for People's Vote (which is not true) - hopefully, they will pick up the topic of extending A50 in some future video. And BTW, right now the majority is against Brexit, so denying UK public to express it would be very undemocratic.
Place names are funny that way, in that they are allowed their own pronunciation in different languages. The English say Paris and Berlin rather than Perry and Bare-leen.
The UK is already discussing joining the TPP, of which Canada is a member, so we could easily end up in a free trade deal along with a bunch of Pacific countries.
Wasn't one of the options a "temporary" extension of EU membership past the end of March, to give more time for a deal? If they did that, doesn't that in a practical sense delay the execution of Article 50? In that scenario, couldn't Theresa May, if she fails to get her deal past parliament, ask for an extension to prevent a No-deal Brexit. In this scenario she isn't cancelling Brexit outright, just asking for more time. If the EU were to accept, that would allow time for a second referendum. Of course, all of this assumes the EU has the slightest interest in babying the UK any further, which is far from clear at this point.
If the UK wants to rejoin it should be an all-in deal, no opt-outs. Futhermore Ireland should leave the CTA and join the Schengen area, it doesn't make sense to be poitically and economically aligned to 26 countries but to be aligned to a "third county" when it comes to movement of people. CTA only exists on paper when travelling by air from Ireland to Britain anyway, not in reality.
Yep, you will leave. Maybe get used to it? Simply put, you wasted at least six years of internal battle, culminating in a hasty organised referendum with no idea of the outcome. Therefore you never thought about the consequences of staying nor going out. Then May invoked article 50. Again, without knowing what the consequences would be. You all thought it was a negotiation, it wasn't. The two years were to get your house in order. You should have thought about the Irish border, you should have thought about your pensioners in Spain, you should have thought about your imported eu workers. Then May should have sent that letter invoking article 50. Again backward thinking. Ah well, it is done. Just curious how it will play out from now on.
@Vlodec I was just about to say the same thing: the use of the word "you". But I also want to add...I don't necessarily blame the leave voters. I do however, blame the idiotic politicians who lead them to believe that leaving the EU would be "simple". That making a deal would be the easiest thing ever to go through parliament. The lies the peddled about the EU stealing our sovereignty, taxes, businesses...THAT was downright fear-mongering. And now that we're actually being presented with facts about the situations we're going to face with a No Deal, (because lets face it, May's deal is never going to make it through parliament) Brexiteers are pointing the finger at us, and calling us fear-mongers. (Oh, and of course, I blame David Cameron...who is somehow, unbelievably getting away with this scott-free!?)
The reality is, contrary to what all say, YOU as a nation still don't believe you are out. Be that with a deal or without, come March 30th next year there is no alternative. As long you, as a nation, do not accept that fact there is nothing else to say. Last I switched on my tv, they still were debating. Who is to blame, what will be done now, and lastly why doesn't the EU offer another deal. Delusional to the max. What I don't understand is how gullible the UK population is. How uneducated you are about an institution that basically governs your whole trade. Not to mention the effects it has on your daily life. Staggering lack of understanding runs rampant in the UK. What is amazing how Ireland was spared.
@@Paul_C Once again, I reiterate that not ALL of us are "gullible" "uneducated" or "delusional". SOME of us realise that the UK's economiy has continuously grown whilst being a part of the UK. Since joining the EU in 1973, the GDP of the UK economy has grown by 103% - in comparison, the US' has only grown 97%. Alternatively, compare this to the UK’s performance during the “glory days” of the Empire from 1872 to 1914. Back then Britain’s per capita growth was only 0.9% per year, in contrast to its 2.1% since joining the EU. So whilst we may follow EU trading rules, (rule which, may I add - our government HAS a say in!) it fact is, 44% of our trade is with other EU countries - this is trade free from high tariffs of which we have to pay for all non-EU trade.
stottie92 Again, why is it while you, as a nation, fail to recognise the UK only benefited from joining the EU. Why is it 'we' as the 27 are viewed as 'the enemy'? When you were the Poor Man of Europe, in those day 'we' paid dearly to the benefit of the UK. At the same time you helped to construct what is now the EU. Is it perfect? Far from it. But to go it alone feels like a kick in the teeth. As for the prospects of the UK after March 30th next year, I hope you do well. But I won't hold my breath.
"Renegotiating the optouts in case of rejoining the EU is going to be difficult" - it’s a naive statement. The current optouts happened only because new treaties and clauses were signed after the UK’s accession. The argument is that when entering the EU, current members couldn’t have possibly known the membership will become so stringent. In short, when you apply for a club memberhip, you cannot ask for a special treatment. But when a club wants to renegotiate your current membership, you can absolutely demand special favours.
Exactly. Just leave already. We Europeans are pretty fed up with the British by now. If you don't see your place in the world by now, you probably see it soon enough. Cheerio.
Noooo, don't leave us! (Just under) half of us don't want this! For heavens sake, 700,000 of us marched last month to show our love for the EU! We knew a great deal when we had it, and trust me, we're making this as hard as possible for them in Westminster.
We never got a vote to be in the E.u in the first place. the UK had a vote to join the Common market, not this United States of Europe. If the e.u was just a trading block then I would have voted to stay in, but then if it was just a trading block, I doubt we would even have had a referendum. The whole freedom of movement, idea, a currency,. flag and Anthem is not that of a trading block. Other countries are not in the E.u and they do ok, so why can't we?
England will survive. But will have let go 5 to 8% economic growth and is looking at loads of new costs. Economic prosperity will take a big blow. But you will be ok. @@zyborg47
It's actually quite easy: 10 DATE < 29TH MARCH THEN UK INSIDE EU; GOTO 50 20 DATE > 29TH MARCH THEN UK OUTSIDE EU; GOTO 70 50 BREXIT WITHDRAWAL SETTO TRUE; GOTO 10 70 BEXIT WITHDRAWAL SETTO FALSE; ENDRUN
Great video as usual, I only want to point out a small mistake you made - at least some of the other countries that do not have the Euro (Czechia at least) do actually meet the requirements, but have not adopted the Euro.
NI has had many referendums and have consistently said they want to stay. Stop trying to insist they get annexed by people they don't want to be ruled by. There's a reason the DUP is as strong as they are
EU would absolutely accept the UK back even if they draw out the process for a few decades because not letting the UK in has absolutely no long term benefit while letting them back in is better for the union long term. It's like France leaving NATO, they were let back in because it would have served no benefit to the NATO to deny France. The UK will be re-accepted as long as they apply for it. Tricky part is getting support for the reapplication.
Wouldn't it be a third referendum? Didn't the UK have a referendum in the 1970s about being in the EU? Wouldn't this make the arguments about the undemocratic nature of a "second/third " referendum null and void as the 2016 referendum was against the will of the people as expressed in the 1970s? Or will we just wait until 2060s to have a new referendum as will of the people seems to have a 50 or so year shelf life?
It was a vote on remaining in the EEC, of which there was no vote to actually enter, and the decision to go in was somewhat controversial. And no, it wouldn't make the argument null and void. To make the argument null and void you'd actually have to address the argument. The reason why a second referendum would be considered undemocratic is because in every other referendum/election the resulting decision is followed through with, see every GE ever or the 'first; referendum. Only after that is another vote held, and I think you'd probably find no Brexiteer is against the idea of another vote *after* the UK has left the EU. As for your closing quote, the UK has a mandated government term of 5 years, so really the will of the people has a shelf life of 5 years. But perhaps enough snark from me, as much as from you. If remain had ever actually engaged people, the vote might have been different, as it is, snark and poorly informed mockery is the best that comes out.
The whole thing was done in a complete mess. The first vote should have been simply to find out whether the Brits would want to learn what Brexit would look like. After negotiations, a second referendum to either confirm the deal and trigger Article 50, or stay in the EU. The public would be fully informed and there would be no no-deal Brexit. The UK government would also be a lot more stable as a side effect, as the Brexit deal would be simply a contingency, rather than what MUST happen or a no-deal Brexit becomes reality.
The EU has a lot of baggage. I wonder, if we were asked to join all this crap way back when, would we ever have joined? No.There's no way you could sell this off as 'just a trading bloc, bro'.
I think the Brexiteers will simply have to die off or retire from politics. Young people who grew up with the Internet have a much more global outlook on life.
@@frankbauerful loooooooooool what a typical remoaners response, and wrong, the latest poles suggest the 14%swing Against the EU in students between 17 and 21. An second increase in so many months. Younger students also are starting to see the EU as an enemy, not an Allie. So tell me, why did you vote remain. Are you a sell out or did you vote out of fear.... Educated me, what is it about the EU you love..... Try not to Google an answer I understand pro EU sheeple aren't the free thinkers they're told they are.
A few points of note: 1. The legal question on whether A50 is revocable by the UK alone is currently subject to an expedited ECJ case (the Supreme Court having declined the government's request to block it). 2. It is potentially possible to delay the Brexit deadline. If we wanted to squeeze in a second referendum, the EU might allow this. Of course we'd have to keep paying into the EU budgets in the mean time. 3. The ERM was disaster for the UK last time. Joining the ERM would be chaos. Joining the Euro would be political suicide. 4. It's also not instant to join - you're looking at years of time out.
If the UK doesn’t leave what was the point of voting on it. Oh we had an election we didn’t like the result so let’s ignore the election and redo it. Where is your democracy going if that happens? Not in a good direction.
It's a fair point Travis. This would shape what kind of country we live in for generations. I don't think the consequences have been thoroughly thought about.
It has been done before. The Treaty of Lisbon, which rules Brexit incidentally was put to referendum in several countries and only the Spaniards voted in favor: French, Dutch, Irish voted against, several other countries like the Czech Republic or Denmark were likely to do the same. The main reason was the lack of Social Charter, a charter rejected by guess who: Britain primarily. But I digress, the case is that the French and Dutch referendums were overruled with simple technical renaming of the treaty (from "constitution" to "treaty"). However the Irish felt still legally bound and they were basically forced to have a second referendum on the matter, in which a shrugging "yes, if you put that gun on my head, I guess I'll agree" won.
So what's a good direction ? Tories won the last Election, so we should not have anymore. Let's close down Parliament and keep them in power forever. Save lots of MP wage & expenses money. Dictatorship Or even go back to a full Monarchy. ???
Andrew Rae the correct decision is to leave the EU. There was an election and the people voted for what they want. Just leave already and stop dilly dallying. Get it over with.
You are so right about how generous the EU's deal has been for the UK with all of these opt-outs. If they don't appreciate these right now, they really shouldn't be getting them after they have left when they want to rejoin the EU
Let's say the UK can revoke Article 50 in time, how long until they decide to trigger it again? I think there should be waiting period before withdrawing and retriggering the article.
It could go to court and the ECJ settle that restarting art. 50 without enough time to reconsider in between means that it was never deactivated and thus Britain is out without deal. I wouldn't risk that, really.
The UK will rejoin the EU. That’s going to be unavoidable. Young people want to be in the Eu and will push to rejoin. When we do we will have to take on the euro and reform the House of Lords. There only way to avoid this is to stop Brexit.
So much hate from the safety of a key board. Us common folk Brits seem to give and take a lot of abuse these days. Whats happened to us! Regardless or in or out, hopefully once the uncertainty is over we can get on with being pleasant to each other again.
New members can't opt-out of the Euro. Even assuming the UK would want to rejoin the EU, spending goodwill on a Euro-opt-out would be unwise as they can simply perpetually fail to meet requirements. They could ask for it so they could give it up as a concession, but it wouldn't be worth pursuing as a goal for the UK. Purely hypothetical though.
It's a pretty good idea. A lot has changed in two years and it's becoming clearer every day if you closely follow the news, that what people thought they were voting for isn't what we're going to get. It makes sense to present everyone with the results of two years' worth of arguing and deal-making. If the deal stinks, it makes sense to give people an opt-out instead of just say "Well too bad, you voted for it two years ago before you realised what it really meant"
This entire problem has come about from politicians refusing to accept the result of a democratic vote and just getting on as a united government. Labour are digging their heels in against everything the government suggest because they want another general election, Sturgeon only cares about another independence referendum because she was never happy about the last one. We were in a strong position at the start of Brexit and had the ability to negotiate a strong deal, however this relentless "2nd referendum" has played right into the EU's hands. However Brexit not happening would simply we show we are not a democratic country at all, but no more than a spoilt brat child
not true. Sweden meets all the requirements to adapt the Euro. we had a referendum and we voted to not adapt the bloody currency. and this has saved our economy from going downhill in 2008.
At least once the uk will leave the EU, the politicians will not be able to blame the EU for such or such problem. Only their incompetence will be to blame.
@@tomtherealpom No, because the elections are a normal way of life, every so often we have an election to choose our parliament. the referendum was a once in a lifetime thing and also you can not keep having referendum after referendum, where do you stop? I know the E.U likes referendums until they find the right answer, Ireland know all about that, but the E.U know as much about democracy as China.
I am a massive remainer My feelings at the start of the video: We are leaving the EU on January 31 and as it is almost impossible in blue to stop Brexit now, I hope so that we have a pro-remain prime minister in the future who will make britian great again. Let's just see the video until the end and hope that the UK can reverse brexit. My feelings at the end of the video: I'm really sad. It will be a nightmare going back in! I hope the eu dissolves itself and immedianelty reform with no changes and the uk will be a resounding member!
Good video but I think there are two important facts that were omitted * The two year period is not a hard cap, as the final point of leaving requires all member states to agree on the terms of the UK leaving. If the members don't agree the nation can't leave and discussion goes on indefinitely. * The referendum itself was not legally binding and though unlikely, it is entirely feasible for a government to throw out the issue entirely and continue being in the EU
What a stuipid unlogical question lol. The EU is a new super dictator state we dont want nothing to do. Why dont you leave and go there your the traitor to your country nout us!
@@mrhanky-panky133 The problem is Brexit makes it harder to leave. Right now any UK citizen can freely get up and move to / live in any of the other 27 countries that make up the EU. No hoops to jump through, no special criteria to have to fulfil, no visa, no nothing, you can just get on a plane and go. After Brexit this right will be gone, making it a lot more difficult for us to move abroad. I personally would love to live in America, but you can't legally just go there and stay indefinitely, you have to jump through a lot of hoops and even then you might not legally be allowed to live there. However I can just get on a plane and go and live in the south of Spain no problem. As someone that voted remain I would happily leave the UK and live abroad in another EU country, but thanks to the Brexit vote it is more difficult.
The UK has never been fully in and it will never be fully out. Leaving the institutions nominally will leave the country without a say in the affairs they still will have to align themselves to. They have managed to navigate themselves into a worse situation than what they were in.
@@AsphaltAntelope Actually, is worse than that. There will be a cost to revert article 50, at the very least expect to lose all current exemptions; at worst the UK will be forced to compensate other countries for any loss caused by Brexit (we are talking about 0.5-1% GDP loss over pre-Brexit growth estimates... and .5% of 18 trillion is a lot). And that's not even considering the political costs... the UK will be seen as the fifth column of Europe by their peers for decades.
@@Imman1s WTF? Actually that's not true at all, you may want that to be true, it may be morally right for that to be true and for their to be some kind of punishment or cost but at the moment there's simply no proviso for any of that.
@@Imman1s - That's not true. If Britain suddenly says: "we have thought it twice and changed our mind", the EU and members will be pissed off but also glad that the situation is over. However most of them don't care if Britain leaves, except for the precedent it is for future possible leaves. What does Britain do for the EU? Nothing (it's essentially a most annoying tax heaven, a consumer maybe). What does the EU do for Britain? Too much (tolerating its exceptionalism, treating it as equal).
Without watching the video, I think undoing Brexit would piss a lot of people off dividing the nation and would be a bit anticlimactic for us foreign spectators tbh
While I think brexit is a mistake, you're 100% right. It would be needed to be handled very carefully and plan every detail. Which May doesn't seem to be able to do.
Actual in the most voting systems, you must have a total majority of 2/3. If no one get the total majority in the second run is the simple majority allowed.
You are welcome to stay in the EU. Plenty of other countries still in it. But more interestingly do you not see that your argument can be turned onto you? Why would the half that want to leave have to stay just because that half wanted to stay? Democracy is majority, you say half but it isnt half is it, more than half voted to leave. That few % is A LOT of people. Thankfully the majority are not brain washed. The EU should be abolished.
What's this "will of the poeple" thing I keep hearing? Everyone now knows that "the people" were suckered in to voting for brexit. Isn't it just common sense to "double check" with the people on such an important issue? Particularly since the "will of the people" was such a narrow margin.
Lord Kerr, the man who helped write article 50 says. You can just ask for article 50 back and brexit will be void. We haven't left yet so if we drop brexit we will retain all our privileges, trade agreements and rights that we enjoy currently.
Sure, but Sir John Kerr must not have paid attention when the UK Supreme Court upheld the rulling of the UK High Court which acknowledged that it was “common ground between the parties” that “a notice under article 50 cannot be withdrawn once it is given” and that “once a notice is given, it will result inevitably to the withdrawal of the UK from the EU”.
@@wolfetone2012 actually, what Parliament said was that in the light of article 50's 'ambiguity,' we are going to go by the simplest translation given that it does not specifically specify that the article can be revoked. But it takes two to tango, and as you must know, the president of the European Council Tusk says, that the EU is more than willing to void brexit altogether.
But I've just read the latest news. 😂Even the EU is now unsure about what to do. If they let this ambiguity continue there is a big room for abuse and limbo if another state decides to leave. So they will debate and judge in the comming months to march 29th 2019, whether to give us a second chance and then change the wording of the article 50 or, change the wording before allowing us back in
@@wolfetone2012 Did you see todays news? the EU court has ruled that We can revoke article 50. We are getting that second chance at reversing this madness. Edit-ah, my bad, so the EU high court advisor has said that the country has the sovereign right to change their opinion. but its not the final ruling. having said that, in 3/4 of cases the high court follows through with the advice of the advisor. So, fingers crossed.
If we rejoin the EU, the people who voted leave will still want to leave, not to mention the numerous brexiteer politicians who will immediately be riled up and will not stay quiet until we leave the EU. Do the remainers think we are that easy? that we will just shut up and get on with our lives if we remain? Of course we won't. We will campaign and campaign until the best thing is done for the country.
You are right and this aspect is very under exposed. How are the people of the UK going to live together in the future? Divided as hell? For a prosperous society there needs to be a degree of consensus.
@@dimiathan Why would leaving the EU affect trading with the countries inside it? You obviously don't understand how trade works or simple British politics if you genuinely think Britain "relies" on being in the EU.
@@harryburrows2112 Hmmmmmm..... Should I spell it for you? In the EU we have super strict regulations (thankfully). Whatever product doesn't meet those standards cannot enter the Union. So if your production doesn't comply with the EU regulation you simply cannot export it to one of the biggest, strongest (and closest to you) markets in the world. Same with fruits and veggies. If you change regulations and you start using chemicals in agriculture that are illegal in the EU you simply cannot export them. Plus, why should we buy something from the UK since it will have tariffs and not from Germany or Austria?
So they invoke article 50, wait 2 years and then go "nah, just joking!"? If it is that easy what prevents them from invoking it again a month later? I don't think withdrawing article 50 is a thing that can happen.
2nd referendum, while being democratic would not serve the democracy. Nonsense surely..? what I mean is 1st referendum was done when voters had very little idea what they were really voting for, and in some cases where lied to(NHS money). But 2nd referendum would be seen as breach of democratic process by many people both inside and outside of UK. In my opinion, loss of faith in democracy would be more damaging than the Brexit itself
@@ASexyGeek Funnily enough that's exactly how you got the leave vote :P Just keep having leave referendums until you get the outcome you want then cry when they wish to do it back to you^^
Hitler was elected democratically. While democracy is important, people are often ignorant and full of propaganda, and not many people take the effort to do a full research on what they vote for, even the most invested people may have only one source of information.
Polling shows that the public basically has no idea whether Brexit was a good idea or not, and their confidence has not changed one jot since the referrendum. Gee, it's almost like asking the general public to make complex and important economic policy decisions through direct democracy isn't such a great idea!! This is why we hire experts. Too bad people are afraid of experts these days.
Haha, it's so cute that anybody over there thinks you can get a better deal than the one you have. You need an economy for that, which you might well not have soon. For that you would need a smooth transition where you actually have a functional system for trading with other countries. Having a giant Empire like last time to strengthen your bargaining position wouldn't hurt either, but good luck with that. At this rate, we will just wait for your economy to go into recession when your entire international trade system grinds to a halt at the end of March and you have to try to negotiate new relationships with all of your trading partners.
People over here voted leave under false economic promises, racism, and a way for the poverty-stricken to kick back at the people in power. They didnt realise it would backfire so bad. My country is a stupid one
Maybe because the EU wouldn't tolerate it? By this video its unclear whether UK can revoke article 50 at all. Seems to me that it is implied that it would be left up to the EU to decide on whether to honor the revocation. If the EU knew that the UK was just going to hold another referendum the possibly invoke art 50 again, my bet is they wouldn't let UK revoke 50 in the first place.
Let's HOPE NOT, to your title, it was put to the British people in a vote, the majority of the British people voted to leave, that's it, that's a democracy, to honour what the British people wished.
A second referendum should not have one question with three rankable answer options, but two questions with binary answers each. 1. Accept the deal? 2. If 1. is rejected, no-deal leave or remain?
@@explodethebomb Basically yes, but since the current, post-2016 objective is to organize (and not to question) _a_ brexit, you would first have to decide whether the terms negotiated are acceptable. If, however, Parliament rejected _this_ brexit themselves, the public could be asked question 2 directly. Otherwise, Parliament needed to answer it any way and they seem reluctant to do so. The key difference is that when answering question 1,whether in Parliament or referendum, you have to consider the possibility that an option you want even less could be accepted in the end, no matter whether you prefer Hard Brexit or Remain. That means, this makes it slightly more likely than STV that Mayʼs deal would be accepted.
That would unfairly bias it towards leaving with or without the deal. If someone wished to vote remain with the deal proposed as the fallback position, then there's no way to account for that. If someone wanted to opt for the deal with either remain or leave if that's not an option, then it likewise provides no options to reflect that preference. The single transferable vote proposed here allows all combinations such as: "leave, even if I have to accept a deal", "stay, but I'll accept leaving with the deal if that's not possible", "leave with the deal but f**k it, (leave/remain) if the deal's not possible" The STV system is actually great for distilling a problem down to the most acceptable solution for the greatest number of people.
Also, the UK would lose its Rebate, and it would have to pay a high price for re joining the Union since it take only one veto to keep the UK out. Spain’s perhaps? Greece ?
@@uvbe Because it doesn't use antique undemocratic voting systems like first-past-the-poll. It makes a mockery of Democracy in the UK by exposing how undemocratic it is, by giving the Brits much more democratic regular votes.
All these EU lovers in the comments, understandble to a degree but so dissapointing. We've grown so fat, weak and soft over the years we have forgotten freedom and democracy is something worth holding onto, worth fighting for and must always be defended. Its the only thing that means a damn as nation, any nation, is our democracy, freedoms and culture. We fought two world wars to preserve it, not just for ourselves but for all Europe so they could keep their Independence and Democracy. We sacrificed countless lives and the British Empire to achieve it, what nation can say they destroyed their own Empire for the ideal of Indepedence and Democracy. Now a few generations later we are happy to sell our Freedoms, our British Common Law, to an unelected establishment in Brussels for the economic security blanket of a gilded cage. We are a Democracy in name only, the EU cares nothing for the independent native cultures, their Democracies and people who call Europe home, it is all about how much can they bleed from each country and how big of a bank statement they have. Whats worse is this isnt even a secret, this has been known for years, decades even and yet we have chosen to bury our heads in sand in favour of the belief "Well it could be worse...". Yes it could be worse if we leave, yes No Deal is a harder path with no security blanket to catch us if we fall but that is what life is all about, that is the same struggle the average person faces everyday, will you succeed or fail at life. The first baby bird that flys from the nest to forge its own way but we are no baby bird, we once were a souring eagle that happily welcomed the challenge but we grew scared and soft and flew into the EU's nest, renting out his cellar and growing fat while he drops worms in our mouth while slowerly clipping our wings and stealing our eggs. Despite what remain says, we of who voted to leave are not trying to recreate the glory days of a dead Empire, nor do we want to cut ties with our mainland friends. We are trying desperatly to preserve everything we love, everything we believed to be good in our Democracy, everything our grandfathers and great grandfathers bled and died for, so that the next generation born long after all this rubbish is settled will known who they are, whether that be English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. They will know their identities and will have the opputinity to govern their own choices for the good of the entire British Isles, they will have freedom but also responsability and both those things are just as important. That is not wrong, that is not bigoted, that is not racist or stupid, that is what anyone who trully loves their country and its people would want for its future generation.
Well at least you make a half-way decent argument, I'll warrant you that. But if the several nations of the UK can combine and still keep their own cultures, languages, customs, and in Scotland's case a separate legal system, why then can't the members of the EU do the same, just on a wider scale? Why do you think the EU is anti-democratic? It may have a different style to the UK, more consensual, less adversarial, but on balance maybe the UK system is the less democratic. E.g. the House of Lords, really democratic that!
@@marconatrix While it is true that we of the UK have the Union and each hold claim to their own unique culture within that Union it has not been easy or without sacrifice, it has taken a very very long time to find any degree of balance, centuries in fact. There have been many mistakes during this period and lessons have been hard learned and we have neglected each other at times despite sharing the same island, still to this day there is distrust which lurks beneath and old rivalries which still endure. But ultimatly what binds us together is the simple fact that this is 'all' our island, we have each earned our place within it and resisted the pull of each others culture and yet still survived. As an Island people we have fought countless battles against each other for dominance, we are a very strong willed collection of people, because we have had to be. Even the British Empire for all that it was could not have reached the heights it did without the individual strengths that each of brought. We are bound together in a marriage, a siamese joint relationship, for better and for worse, we have no real choice but to make it work. We are family, a disfuctional sometimes argumenative family but a family all the same and beneath the insults, sarcasm, jokes and arguing there is also respect and even love for each other, though like any strong willed family we will rarely say it. The EU however was created to serve a different purpose in its conception. They could have once held the potential to be something good but they have become hungry for more, you cannot hold power on such a huge scale and not fall to the corrupting temptation that it will offer, a parliament process consisting of 28 countries, a goverment too large to manage each nation in its nest, each with their own culture and interests to serve is doomed to fail, this has been true throughout history even in the British Empire. They are not interested in preserving individual soverignties, their democracies or even their culture, true reprensentation is very hard to achieve even in small democracies, even in ours it is very difficult to keep a balance and it takes constant communication to do so and still there are conclusions where one side feels they drew the short straw. Now picture that on a European scale, difficult dousnt even describe it, cracks already are appearing, nations have become bankrupt, distrust and internal anger is growing at alarming rates, mass immagration and the failure of goverments to address its people cocerns is becoming dangerous as increasinly far-right and far-left groups gain more and more traction, this is not heading to a happy conclusion. The United States of Europe, if it could endure long enough to make it so, would be a loss to everything each nation once was, no freedoms to decide your own countries fate, no responsability outside of maintaining what they decide. What is the point of even having a democracy when the people who are deciding the laws do not even live within the countries they are deciding for? We are just statistics to them, they are just people like we are and yet they can be trusted with absolute power to govern over Europe? The House of Lords is by no means perfect and their childish bickering often does more harm than good but by leaving they will become accountable, they have grown fat and comfortable leaving the majority of the decisions and law making to foreign ministers. This is not what we stood up to tyranny for, yes governing ourselves and making our own laws and trade agreements is harder, responsability is always harder but so is freedom, neither of these things come easily, freedom is not free. It must be worked for, maintained, built up. I know the prospect of leaving the EU if frightning to many because we havent had to do it for awhile and yes I have no doubt there will be teething pains but the alternative is no less frightning and offers far less of a chance of us emerging from the other side as the UK or even England, Scotland, Wales or Ireland. Thats too high a price, for any nation. I want the generations that come long after us to have to chance to make their own paths and not be told what their paths should be. Freindship and free trade with our European neibours is desired but not at the cost of our independence, no matter how fat the worm.
Britain used to be the most powerful nation on earth with an overseas empire than spanned a quarter of the earths surface. The people on this island are not like any other. We are first and foremost polite and caring. We choose peace over war, but if the British bulldog gets poked enough times we will fight back and you will see the people of this country become guardians of our destiny. The EU for all that I love it for, has encroached a little to far over the line. Many people see their local communities change due to globalism and we as humans are very closed minded because we only care about the people and places in our vicinity. When I walk around my town I see kebab shops and nothing but globalism. This nation does not produce what it used to. We need to get a grip and become great once more and lead humans to a new era of space colonisation
Those kebab shops aren't the fault of the EU as there are no members in the union like that. Blame your own government for importing millions of people from your old colonies. Britain in fact has exemption from any quotas that the rest of the EU are forced to take on when it comes to third world "refugees".
The UK as a peace-loving nation, that's a new one on us. It would be difficult to name a country where the UK hasn't fought at least a battle or more likely a full war to extend or to keep their Empire.
Kebab shops, Indian and Chinese restaurants, I think I saw a Lebanese place the other day... I blame the EU for letting us make our own decisions on immigration on a national level. We need to take back control and force them to do even less than nothing to interfere with our sovereignty in the matter! Don't ask me how they could do less than nothing - it's the principle of the thing!
What the hell have you got against kebabs? Don't order a greasy donner, wait ten minutes and get a chicken or lamb shish kebab, freshly cooked with a nice salad and rice (or chips) mmmm
I'm bound to point one thing out: The EU have already said they will extend the time period if the UK decides to call a second referendum or has a general election. So the 18 weeks argument is moot.
How is it that you are able to explain this in plain English, but the British government is not?
I think it's called 'actually doing your job'. Besides this channel doesn't reach as many people as the UK gov does
Because it's not in the government's interest to explain to the public what is really happening.
They cant tell the truth because of the politics. It would be jumped on as they would have to say unpopular things and have to contradict previously stated things.
Also, it suits politicians to have a confused population- better still a scared or angry population, (providing they also give them someone else to direct their anger at. ie the EU) that means they are easier to control and dictate too.
Simple; it's the British Government
In her deal the EU have it in there that the UK government can not tell the British public all the details that is why.
I believe in a Schrodinger’s Brexit in which the UK will and will not leave the EU and this until the end of mankind
You mean like a channel island?
Must've been Schrodinger's cat then, waiting to enter No.10 Downing St on Channel 4 recently?
Are you referring to the deal May negotiated, henceforth to be called Schroedinger's deal?
Well the Schrodinger's Brexit will only lasts until someone lools at it.
By the way the video showed that UK is already in and out EU.
You got your wish! we left but also did not leave! Theresa may really is a numpty.
I mean, if it takes almost 60 weeks to organise a referendum, then suddenly EU bureaucracy seems trivial.
You forgot one opt-out that frankly pisses off a lot of EU Countries:
The UK is not a member of the EU agricultural policy (since the days of Thatcher), because Britain would be a net contributor to that program. In total, the UK paid roughly 110 billion Euro less than what they should have paid if they were a "normal" member. I doubt you would get a similar deal again.
We're one of the only nations that actually payed into the EU. Up to 30% of 27 nations budget. Also none of you are standing up to your measly 2% NATO requirements but us.
@@etherealhawk no gives a shit about nato
@@etherealhawk What has NATO got to do with any of this?
@@etherealhawk NATO does not have a 2% requirement. It's an ambition, not a necessity.
@@etherealhawk And even so UK is one of the ones that pays less per citizen of the countries that pays. The country that pays more to EU is Germany (Is also the biggest country). Never forget that most EU nations are small, in terms of population UK have more than the last 15 countries together. Also bigger countries have a lot more power in the parlament of EU. UK have 73 members in the parlament, Malta have 6 (6 is the minimum, the last 4 countries have it), Romania the 7th have 32. Again if you look at the last countries UK have the same number has the last 9th countries together.
NATO and EU are 2 different things, in fact there is countries that are in NATO and not in EU and countries in EU that are not in NATO.
What strikes me is how many pro-hard Brexit lay folk and politicians seem to regard the character of the EU negotiation stance and the stipulations it has made during negotiation as the EU trying to punish the UK. Or that the EU is attempting to exert some kind of control over the UK in order to harm it. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of EU member states governments actually want very dearly to minimise the harm Brexit could cause both the EU and UK but naturally both the EU itself and it’s member states MUST place their own interests above those of the UK when striking the balance. The EU and it’s members never could have acceded to every demand Britain made if it/them without seriously damaging the Union and themselves. The a la carte approach the UK wanted was always completely off the cards. The deal May has been able to present to parliament is the result of this fundamental reality. It’s not punishment, it’s the EU and it’s member states protecting their interests. The EU did exactly what it has always done, which is use real power politics to defend the interests of its member states and insure any agreements it makes in their behalf strengthens the position of the EU. It could never have done any differently. And when the UK still wanted to be a member it was both happy and highly involved in making sure that this was exactly how the EU operated. And they are now surprised that this is what it has done? What else did they expect?
I am not sure what you have been watching lol. The EU has fought against it at every hurdle because they know they cannot allow it to run smoothly or work out for the UK as other countries will follow suit. It would be the destruction of the EU and its been blatantly obvious because its what the EU is, authoritarian tyrants that want to control everything and dictate what everyone does. Just look at how they are treating Poland, Hungary, Czeck Rep when they refuse to bend to the will of the EU.
The EU needs to be abolished. There is no reason for it to exist other than to control all and now they are pushing for an EU military you see this more and more. Countries can get along and make deals with each other fine without the EU.
jollyscarecrow what would have been very dangerous to the future of the EU would have been to allow the U.K. to cherry pick which fundamental freedoms it wanted enjoy and to enjoy most of the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities. The EU was clear from the start that this would not be possible.
I’m not sure who or what you think the EU is. The EU expresses the will of its member states, it is allowed the responsibilities it has by its member states. The council of ministers (ie. ministers for foreign affairs of its member states) is its supreme ruling body. The commission is staffed by member state’s appointees. In what possible way can you credibly claim that such an organisation is tyrannical? It does nothing without the express permission of its member states, numerous decisions made at EU level are subject to national veto, or are accented to by qualified majority voting. The parliament has extremely limited competencies. It does not even have the power to propose EU legislation.
In which specific way can you evidence the EU actually tyrannising its member states? The situations in Poland, and Hungary are instances of member states attempting to behave in ways which subvert the agreements they made as conditions of admission to the EU. Rule of law, freedom of the press, democracy, independent judicial systems these are all norms which are required if a state wishes to be a member of the EU. Poland and Hungary are attempting to vitiate all of those things. The EU is attempting to dissuade them from doing so. But it has little power to do more than that without the express permission of its member states.
Given that America is proposing to renege on its obligations to NATO what else would you have the EU do than increase military cooperation in order to defend itself from the ongoing threat of Russian aggression? If the EU failed to defend its member states from Russian expansionism it would be pointless being a member. Creating an EU army, under current conditions, is actually the most sensible course of action.
It was obvious from the very beginning that the choice was between Stay and Hard-Brexit. There is no way the EU lets the UK get a good deal, that's contrary to their existence as an organization and against their best interest. This is so obvious. Why on earth would the EU give the UK a good deal? They are holding all the cards. To think that this was not obvious to so many folks in the UK is astounding.
@@sharkracer plus there are rules and laws, all of them agreed by the uk, that the eu needs to follow.
There just isn't much wiggleroom. And the room that is there will be decided by the eu members to be as benneficial to them as possible based on the uk's negotiating position.
The deal that is there now reflects the negotiating power the uk has in this agreement.
This is what the eu deems worth while over a hard exit. At that point it is up to the uk what for them would be most benneficial them.
It isn't rocket science.
The UK will never get a better deal by rejoining! They are in a weaker position and most of the EU is fed up with British cherry picking.
"Cherry picking" get a life son
@@Richard-r7u6c ? Trying to get some of the 4 freedoms without accepting all of them is definitely cherry picking.
@@mayeastrise Do you know what the EU receives from the U.K. and what they currently possess from the U.K.? thought not. Now stop listening to the shitty propaganda and get better educated on the subject.
@@Richard-r7u6c wow wtaf mate, you're saying HE READS THE PROPAGANDA?!
Do YOU realise what the UK gains from the EU rather than the other way around?
All the EU asks from us is a large fee, plus that we uphold their requirements to be an EU member of state, which are stands we've upheld way before we were in the EU anyway so that's not even changing anything on our terms.
In return we get a customs-free single market with rights to roam, work, love, live and retire anywhere you please without changing nationality, plus large funding to any projects that this country feels it needs and that the EU sees as a good idea I.e renewable energy, public leisure and healthcare facilities, shelters for the homeless, etc. And on top of that, an international goal to achieve a better world without tyranny or terrorism...
Now tell me what the fuck is actually wrong with ANY of those things? Because all you're doing is screaming for it to be taken away just so we can get a cash injection that is not guaranteed to go towards the NHS and has already been lied about in terms of its total sum...
Stop reading what's on the side of buses or on the front page of the Sun and get out there and REALLY understand what happens!
@@Richard-r7u6c Do you know how many big companies opened factories or offices in the UK because it gave them access to the European market? Do you know how many European workers came to the UK to prop up the economy or your healthcare system?
You forgot about the rebate. reapplying for membership would mean increased membership fees.
yea u are never getting that back also i would love to use the euro in londen.......
Would? Will...
Correct. When revoking article 50 it is expected the UK will be held responsible for the costs of Brexit until now and therefor there is a big chance the UK will not receive back her rebate which is just under 6 billion euros.
@@czarzenana5125 Of course Blair gave away half the rebate, hoping for a better deal on the Common Agricultural policy and got nowhere. You can't talk to them. Just leave.
Which would mean the next referendum's (have to have another in 2 years, yeah?) leave message.
"They said 350m a week was a lie. But never said "It's only 200m". Why not? Oh yeah, and now the net cost, so correctly shutting up any complaints, is 300m a week."
Boy UK really shot themselves on the foot here.
Not really think of it like... If a dog got its leg trapped its better to cut off the leg then leave for dead. Eu will end soon so its better the country takes this hit to strengthen for future collapse of economies and eu.
@@Bleaky1 You should join Jehovahs Witness' they've been certain that the apocalypse is right around the corner for a few hundred years now.
I think that they ned to e already accept their choice as at this point this will be the best route. Getting in with the same deal is not happening. Since going back won’t fix it, they might as well get ready to face reality and start negotiating trade deals and making their new freedom work.
I would love to see brexit reversed but im also starting to think we deserve the dumpster fire we get from a no deal. Who knows, maybe the EU can finally make progress towards a united states of europe without us constantly pissing all over any good idea.
They'll have to bump up their military because America isn't interested in helping them against Russia. But Germany would probably let them roll right in so long as they still have cheap gas.
Autsch that hurts.
But i agree that Germany is way to dependent on Russian Gas (dont forget the eastern EU Nations its way worse there)
Eu Parliament needs to make some steps ahead and we need to look after Italia and the Visegard States they are up for trouble. Hopefully we all will have a good Relationship.
Reversed? It never happened, just get a cheap flight to Europe after we have left, if you want to rejoin.
Germany tried and failed twice to create an united states of Europe. The EU is yet another attempt and you're wholly for it. For shame!
The reason it won't work is because most Europeans identify as that last. We're called an UK because even we can't manage to suppress NI, Scotland, and Wales into adopting the English flag - and we rule them! But who can blame them? Similar to the current state of the Baltics.
Germany's 3rd attempt at an unified Europe will end in yet another war. However, they are cunning enough to try and get this without ever having fired a bullet. But the EU Army and how they intend use it will determine what comes next.
@@Carl-hs420a so much bs in a comment. You do realize that Germany is not the head of the EU or was the only founding member, right? It is called an union for a reason. You seriously have no idea of history if you are willing to compare the EU to the Prussian Empire.
The real question should be is how did the government fuck up brexit so badly? The people voted to leave, She managed to negotiate us in to a vassal state.
No opt-outs if the UK rejoins. This should be a no brainer for anyone who has a clue about EU politics!
Hey, Spaniard here.
I'm sry to say this but... hope the UK doesn't really get those many options from Brussels in case they reverse Brexit. You can't just go and play with an international megaconstruct like the EU and hope to make as you wish (or at least you shouldn't in my view) If you decide something, it has consecuences.
correct
Well then we'll leave your German lead superstate. Enjoy your totalitarian nightmare of your own creation.
If you'll excuse me, I'm off to the gulag.
I think the people didn't quite make an informed choice. But they still do want to control their borders and politics I suppose...
@@BartSimpson-jd2vs The people had plenty of time and means to get informed. That is the excuse you expect from a child, not a nation.
I think you mean mega government not megaconstuct but yeno, have fun with your European army and eventually the United States of Europe.
Thank you for all your effort and information!
I'm finding it really hard to understand how is this being compared to the German Reich of WW1 and WW2. These comparisons are abysmal. No one mentioned a European Superstate and a centralized military branch is more efficient than a decentralized clusterfuck of uncoordinated armies. You think the US army would be worth a shit if all their states had their own militaries? It'd be a bloody joke. I mean good god people if you don't wanna be in the EU you don't need scapegoats.
I don't want to sound rude, but I'm german. So I have to meet my stereotype. The UK should stick with their decision to leave. They had a really good position in the EU but if that wasn't good enough for them, then leave. But , deal or no-deal, the UK will suffer an economically deficit. So dear Brits, i am begging you, life with the consequences and learn from your mistake. Then, we might be able to take you serious again, some day.
Max Pelz are you referring to all ‘Brits’, the 53% that voted to leave, the U.K. government, just England and Wales that voted to leave or do you include Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to stay. Yep what a mess but there is a name for grouping whole populations together and assuming they all have the same opinions and characteristics! I am U.K. born but have lived in Southern Ireland for over half of my life. Have a son who lives in Germany and think the idea of leaving Europe is frankly stupid. As do many of my countrymen before the referendum.
@@Robin-cf9ts I understand your frustration but I am sure Max Pelz knows that not all the British people voted out but the Brexit voters won so it simply means Britain wants out.
I am not British and I think with the Brexit fiasco Britain had shot itself in the foot
Windows Sucks for sure mate but I get tired sometimes of reading through some of the comments. Particularly when they contain sweeping statements or sound bite opinions. It’s an unfortunate side affect that these can feed some who look to enhance their own prejudices. When I do comment it is usually to attempt to counter such silliness on either side of a debate. However I need to accept thus has it been so will it always be 😩 Yep your right re brexit. I suspect that the U.K. (the powers that be) are looking towards the states and the emergent economies with greed. But I believe they are only swapping the gentle influence of Europe for the dangerous malignant influences of a currently imperialist USA.
no one has a good deal in the EU other than poor countries
totally agree as I share the same opinion
Can the UK reverse Brexit. I certainly hope so.
Actually as a continental european I always found the idea that the UK lost it's hillarious rebate once and for all by having to rejoin at a later point quite elating.
Yes, very amusing. Now kindly get back to collecting dirt for us or whatever it is you do.
That will never happen. We are leaving...for good!
@@steven2809 never say never !
@@ASexyGeek Careful now, once Brexit is done and over with you'll have to go out and collect that dirt yourself as nobody will want to move to a third world country.
what makes me even more enraged then i already am is that the brits never thought themselves as europeans , they were always british , a 'cut above the rest ' i should say .FINALLY they are realizing they are not .OBVIOUSLY not all the brits are like that but the fact that they have people in their government who do is infuriating to say the least .
This is one of the most informative, clearest, balanced channels I've seen on RUclips.
9:20 Also important to note that we get a rebate to what we pay into the EU which would be almost impossible to renegotiate to the same level as we have now.
Thank you for explaining politics without taking an obvious side. It's a breath of fresh air, especially here in America!
Reversing the article 50 invocation is not possible. If it were, same or some other article would have to specify the procedure for it. Since no such thing exists, it is not possible. About the closest to reversing would be extending the 2 year transition period and doing so indefinitely. But that requires _both_ the parties (the member leaving, the UK in this instance, and the rest of the EU) to agree to it. Alternately the treaty can be amended to add a procedure for revoking a notice under article 50. This will require the consent of all the EU member states.
If a member is free to unilaterally revoke a notice under article 50, it would mean the rest of the union will not know until the 2 years have expired as to whether the member will remain or leave, which makes a mockery of the 2 year period itself. What is the EU supposed to do if the UK revokes the notice the day before the 2 year period expires and gives a fresh notice the next day and does that whenever they want and for as long as they want?
The UK remaining in the EU is off the table, with the treaties as they stand.
THIS.
If the question had been settled by the ECJ at any other time, then you would probably be right.
If a "People's Vote", however, return a clear Remain majority, then the ECJ will be under a lot of pressure to accept their revoking of Article 50. The ECJ, like any other court, isn't wholly apolitical, they won't be able to make their judgment on purely legalistic ground.
@@solalflechelles1216 What about the will of the people of the EU27, who don't fancy getting forced to pay for the negotiations with the UK during Brexit (and the costs of getting the whole union prepared for Brexit proper) only for the Brits to say "Nevermind then, we'll stay as is". In your hypothetical scenario, why will the ECJ not take into account the will of those people as well and decide that unilateral revocation is not an option?
@@solalflechelles1216 That is what I would call triumph of hope over logic!
Why would the ECJ care so much about the wishes of the British, without ascertaining the wishes of the people in the rest of the EU?
If the rest of the EU were agreeable to the UK continuing in the EU, here are a few simple steps that can be followed to achieve that.
1. The UK seeks and gets a people's vote to continue in the EU.
2. The UK requests the EU for an extension of the negotiating period and gets it.
3. The UK proposes an amendment to the Lisbon Treaty which specifies a procedure for revocation of a notice given under Article 50.
4. All EU members approve the amendment.
5. The UK revokes the notice as per the procedure.
Thinking in terms of unilaterally revoking a notice under Article 50 and expecting that the EU has no choice but accept it is the same arrogance and small-mindedness that brought about the current situation. It won't be the one to get the UK out of it.
If the ECJ recognised as a member having the right to unilaterally revoke a notice given under Article 50 (whatever the internal mechanisms used justify it be) while the treaties have no such provision, it is not difficult to imagine the impact it will have on the rest of the EU countries. A populist party promises to issue notice under Article 50 and if the negotiations aren't going to their satisfaction, just revoke it. The EU should have a permanent exit negotiator for each member.
There is a reason why the EU refused to negotiate any deal with David Cameron before the referendum. No member may blackmail the union using Article 50 as a threat.
Yay! I found a pound!!....er, I think I lost a tenner! :-(
Haha
I found out a pound is worth more in scrap metal then it is in monetary form
Mini Mead3 like 11 bucks worth 😁
And that's the Brexit dividend, if a little overstated.
Ha ha, funny thing us it's the Euro that buggered but you'll never read about it in the Guardian, all that austerity and more to come for the poor Europeans, really feel sorry for them, once Macron gets his reforms it'll really start to hurt.
@@jono3447 Macron's reforms may hurt us too, if French firms can compete more effectively with UK ones. Their productivity has been better than the UK's for years. Hence their higher unemployment.
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I can't believe (oposite group) thinks that (oposite idea) is good! twats.
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Nazi!
Finally something we can all agree on!!
a simple majority vote on an irreversible foreign policy decision is ludicrous and should not be respected. to anyone who has even a basic understanding of how public opinion works, that's not the will of the people it's the whim of the people.
@Patternicity The will of the people are their whims, it's been that way since the Roman Republic. the plebeians will always act like jackasses when it suits them. that's democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if you want intelligent people making important decisions that they are familiar & expert with, i'd suggest adopting a Feudalistic government.
@Patternicity Very well put. I keep arguing that Brexit is too complex and too serious to submit to a referendum, more so with a simple majority win.
@S. F. P. I guess you don't understand that the UK is a parliamentary democracy, which means you leave the decision-making to the representatives you elect, since the majority of people cannot be expected to understand each and every complex issue involving such things as international trade and customs. Submitting Brexit to a referendum is not an act of democracy, rather it's just crass populism. In the same way we don't submit to a popular vote how a brain surgeon should proceed in the operating room, it is irresponsible to submit Brexit to a popular vote. More so with zero explanations on what it entailed. I say we cancel Brexit and get on with our lives.
@@marth8000 Actually, studies have indicated that, in general, a crowd of idiots more consistently gets the right answer across a broad spectrum of subjects than any single expert. Feudalism doesn't work out. In fact, we have seen quite clearly across the 20th-21st centuries that any government where all the power rests in the hands of a few individuals doesn't work-- whether you go fascism or communism, it always fails.
Then again, the laissez faire capitalism that the conservatives push for seems inevitably to result in oligarchy which is close enough to feudalism, so I guess we are inevitably going to get that anyway.
Who are you people replying to? I don't even oppose the idea of a referendum, as long as it's done right. Parliamentary elections are temporary and reversible. If you're going to vote on a permanent foreign policy decision like Scotland leaving the UK or Brexit (both of which I have mixed feelings about) then there should be a higher threshold than just a simple majority. It's not complicated guys. These things should require at least a two-thirds vote. If you're voting on a new constitution I would bump that up to a 3/4 supermajority. This whole line of argument that calling the brexit vote illegitimate means you're against democracy is ridiculous, and it's sad to see no one argue against it.
Good video, but... 1) you keep mispronouncing Schengen - there's 'g' (as in 'guy') in there 2) in case of referendum, EU will likely agree to extension of A50 to give UK time to organize it properly
Yep, I kept thinking "Shenzhen"
As always awesome video summarising the facts.
Scheng-un
By organise it properly you mean fix it so it goes in the governments favour
@@KM-op6gj TLDR News suggested, that there's no time for People's Vote (which is not true) - hopefully, they will pick up the topic of extending A50 in some future video. And BTW, right now the majority is against Brexit, so denying UK public to express it would be very undemocratic.
Place names are funny that way, in that they are allowed their own pronunciation in different languages. The English say Paris and Berlin rather than Perry and Bare-leen.
Canadian Here.. Canada Needs To Join The CANZUK Union.. The Sooner The Better..
The UK is already discussing joining the TPP, of which Canada is a member, so we could easily end up in a free trade deal along with a bunch of Pacific countries.
Wasn't one of the options a "temporary" extension of EU membership past the end of March, to give more time for a deal? If they did that, doesn't that in a practical sense delay the execution of Article 50? In that scenario, couldn't Theresa May, if she fails to get her deal past parliament, ask for an extension to prevent a No-deal Brexit. In this scenario she isn't cancelling Brexit outright, just asking for more time. If the EU were to accept, that would allow time for a second referendum. Of course, all of this assumes the EU has the slightest interest in babying the UK any further, which is far from clear at this point.
Extension of the 2 years period requires uninanimal approval of 27
This is, to be mild, very unlikely
If the UK wants to rejoin it should be an all-in deal, no opt-outs. Futhermore Ireland should leave the CTA and join the Schengen area, it doesn't make sense to be poitically and economically aligned to 26 countries but to be aligned to a "third county" when it comes to movement of people. CTA only exists on paper when travelling by air from Ireland to Britain anyway, not in reality.
Capitulate you filthy dissenters and become part of the empire of the good
@The Death Squad I meant it more as "fuck the UK", they want to isolate themselves, go for it.
Yep, you will leave. Maybe get used to it? Simply put, you wasted at least six years of internal battle, culminating in a hasty organised referendum with no idea of the outcome. Therefore you never thought about the consequences of staying nor going out. Then May invoked article 50. Again, without knowing what the consequences would be. You all thought it was a negotiation, it wasn't.
The two years were to get your house in order. You should have thought about the Irish border, you should have thought about your pensioners in Spain, you should have thought about your imported eu workers. Then May should have sent that letter invoking article 50. Again backward thinking.
Ah well, it is done. Just curious how it will play out from now on.
@Vlodec I was just about to say the same thing: the use of the word "you".
But I also want to add...I don't necessarily blame the leave voters. I do however, blame the idiotic politicians who lead them to believe that leaving the EU would be "simple". That making a deal would be the easiest thing ever to go through parliament. The lies the peddled about the EU stealing our sovereignty, taxes, businesses...THAT was downright fear-mongering. And now that we're actually being presented with facts about the situations we're going to face with a No Deal, (because lets face it, May's deal is never going to make it through parliament) Brexiteers are pointing the finger at us, and calling us fear-mongers.
(Oh, and of course, I blame David Cameron...who is somehow, unbelievably getting away with this scott-free!?)
The reality is, contrary to what all say, YOU as a nation still don't believe you are out. Be that with a deal or without, come March 30th next year there is no alternative. As long you, as a nation, do not accept that fact there is nothing else to say.
Last I switched on my tv, they still were debating. Who is to blame, what will be done now, and lastly why doesn't the EU offer another deal. Delusional to the max.
What I don't understand is how gullible the UK population is. How uneducated you are about an institution that basically governs your whole trade. Not to mention the effects it has on your daily life. Staggering lack of understanding runs rampant in the UK. What is amazing how Ireland was spared.
Half of us did think of these things.
@@Paul_C Once again, I reiterate that not ALL of us are "gullible" "uneducated" or "delusional". SOME of us realise that the UK's economiy has continuously grown whilst being a part of the UK. Since joining the EU in 1973, the GDP of the UK economy has grown by 103% - in comparison, the US' has only grown 97%.
Alternatively, compare this to the UK’s performance during the “glory days” of the Empire from 1872 to 1914. Back then Britain’s per capita growth was only 0.9% per year, in contrast to its 2.1% since joining the EU.
So whilst we may follow EU trading rules, (rule which, may I add - our government HAS a say in!) it fact is, 44% of our trade is with other EU countries - this is trade free from high tariffs of which we have to pay for all non-EU trade.
stottie92 Again, why is it while you, as a nation, fail to recognise the UK only benefited from joining the EU. Why is it 'we' as the 27 are viewed as 'the enemy'?
When you were the Poor Man of Europe, in those day 'we' paid dearly to the benefit of the UK. At the same time you helped to construct what is now the EU. Is it perfect? Far from it. But to go it alone feels like a kick in the teeth. As for the prospects of the UK after March 30th next year, I hope you do well. But I won't hold my breath.
"Renegotiating the optouts in case of rejoining the EU is going to be difficult" - it’s a naive statement. The current optouts happened only because new treaties and clauses were signed after the UK’s accession. The argument is that when entering the EU, current members couldn’t have possibly known the membership will become so stringent.
In short, when you apply for a club memberhip, you cannot ask for a special treatment. But when a club wants to renegotiate your current membership, you can absolutely demand special favours.
Exactly. Just leave already. We Europeans are pretty fed up with the British by now.
If you don't see your place in the world by now, you probably see it soon enough.
Cheerio.
Noooo, don't leave us! (Just under) half of us don't want this! For heavens sake, 700,000 of us marched last month to show our love for the EU! We knew a great deal when we had it, and trust me, we're making this as hard as possible for them in Westminster.
Bye
We never got a vote to be in the E.u in the first place. the UK had a vote to join the Common market, not this United States of Europe. If the e.u was just a trading block then I would have voted to stay in, but then if it was just a trading block, I doubt we would even have had a referendum.
The whole freedom of movement, idea, a currency,. flag and Anthem is not that of a trading block.
Other countries are not in the E.u and they do ok, so why can't we?
Why do we need to be part of a political union to be part of the world.
England will survive. But will have let go 5 to 8% economic growth and is looking at loads of new costs. Economic prosperity will take a big blow. But you will be ok. @@zyborg47
I wish they do. Now just too pricy for foreigners to visit there. Ticket cost $3000 economy class.
It's actually quite easy:
10 DATE < 29TH MARCH THEN UK INSIDE EU; GOTO 50
20 DATE > 29TH MARCH THEN UK OUTSIDE EU; GOTO 70
50 BREXIT WITHDRAWAL SETTO TRUE; GOTO 10
70 BEXIT WITHDRAWAL SETTO FALSE; ENDRUN
Great video as usual, I only want to point out a small mistake you made - at least some of the other countries that do not have the Euro (Czechia at least) do actually meet the requirements, but have not adopted the Euro.
Scotland will rejoin th EU quite soon and Northern Ireland will join Ireland.
England will take a little longer.
i live in spain they would Vito Scotland joining the eu
You’re so far removed from the issue of NI. And Scotland will never be allowed to join the EU as it’s own nation.
Or orrrr.. the European union will fail and every country will be their own sovereign nation again. That's sounds better.
The EU will be overtaken by large swains of terrorism and migration.
NI has had many referendums and have consistently said they want to stay. Stop trying to insist they get annexed by people they don't want to be ruled by. There's a reason the DUP is as strong as they are
EU would absolutely accept the UK back even if they draw out the process for a few decades because not letting the UK in has absolutely no long term benefit while letting them back in is better for the union long term. It's like France leaving NATO, they were let back in because it would have served no benefit to the NATO to deny France. The UK will be re-accepted as long as they apply for it. Tricky part is getting support for the reapplication.
Wouldn't it be a third referendum? Didn't the UK have a referendum in the 1970s about being in the EU? Wouldn't this make the arguments about the undemocratic nature of a "second/third " referendum null and void as the 2016 referendum was against the will of the people as expressed in the 1970s? Or will we just wait until 2060s to have a new referendum as will of the people seems to have a 50 or so year shelf life?
> the will of the people seems to have a 50 or so year shelf life
That's a great quote
It was a vote on remaining in the EEC, of which there was no vote to actually enter, and the decision to go in was somewhat controversial.
And no, it wouldn't make the argument null and void. To make the argument null and void you'd actually have to address the argument.
The reason why a second referendum would be considered undemocratic is because in every other referendum/election the resulting decision is followed through with, see every GE ever or the 'first; referendum. Only after that is another vote held, and I think you'd probably find no Brexiteer is against the idea of another vote *after* the UK has left the EU.
As for your closing quote, the UK has a mandated government term of 5 years, so really the will of the people has a shelf life of 5 years.
But perhaps enough snark from me, as much as from you. If remain had ever actually engaged people, the vote might have been different, as it is, snark and poorly informed mockery is the best that comes out.
The whole thing was done in a complete mess. The first vote should have been simply to find out whether the Brits would want to learn what Brexit would look like. After negotiations, a second referendum to either confirm the deal and trigger Article 50, or stay in the EU. The public would be fully informed and there would be no no-deal Brexit. The UK government would also be a lot more stable as a side effect, as the Brexit deal would be simply a contingency, rather than what MUST happen or a no-deal Brexit becomes reality.
I think Britain will be falling of a cliff and rejoining back but now with the Euro, EU army, and a different attitude
… and possibly not as a whole, with Scotland and Northern Ireland choosing different paths for an earlier reentry.
The EU has a lot of baggage. I wonder, if we were asked to join all this crap way back when, would we ever have joined? No.There's no way you could sell this off as 'just a trading bloc, bro'.
I think the Brexiteers will simply have to die off or retire from politics. Young people who grew up with the Internet have a much more global outlook on life.
@@frankbauerful loooooooooool what a typical remoaners response, and wrong, the latest poles suggest the 14%swing Against the EU in students between 17 and 21. An second increase in so many months. Younger students also are starting to see the EU as an enemy, not an Allie.
So tell me, why did you vote remain. Are you a sell out or did you vote out of fear.... Educated me, what is it about the EU you love..... Try not to Google an answer I understand pro EU sheeple aren't the free thinkers they're told they are.
@@bendouglas5607 I would accuse you of being a paid Russian troll if I didn't know that they only hire people who can write proper English.
A few points of note:
1. The legal question on whether A50 is revocable by the UK alone is currently subject to an expedited ECJ case (the Supreme Court having declined the government's request to block it).
2. It is potentially possible to delay the Brexit deadline. If we wanted to squeeze in a second referendum, the EU might allow this. Of course we'd have to keep paying into the EU budgets in the mean time.
3. The ERM was disaster for the UK last time. Joining the ERM would be chaos. Joining the Euro would be political suicide.
4. It's also not instant to join - you're looking at years of time out.
If the UK doesn’t leave what was the point of voting on it. Oh we had an election we didn’t like the result so let’s ignore the election and redo it. Where is your democracy going if that happens? Not in a good direction.
It's a fair point Travis. This would shape what kind of country we live in for generations. I don't think the consequences have been thoroughly thought about.
Im Lord Guille I’m American. What event are you referring?
It has been done before. The Treaty of Lisbon, which rules Brexit incidentally was put to referendum in several countries and only the Spaniards voted in favor: French, Dutch, Irish voted against, several other countries like the Czech Republic or Denmark were likely to do the same. The main reason was the lack of Social Charter, a charter rejected by guess who: Britain primarily. But I digress, the case is that the French and Dutch referendums were overruled with simple technical renaming of the treaty (from "constitution" to "treaty"). However the Irish felt still legally bound and they were basically forced to have a second referendum on the matter, in which a shrugging "yes, if you put that gun on my head, I guess I'll agree" won.
So what's a good direction ? Tories won the last Election, so we should not have anymore. Let's close down Parliament and keep them in power forever. Save lots of MP wage & expenses money. Dictatorship Or even go back to a full Monarchy. ???
Andrew Rae the correct decision is to leave the EU. There was an election and the people voted for what they want. Just leave already and stop dilly dallying. Get it over with.
You are so right about how generous the EU's deal has been for the UK with all of these opt-outs. If they don't appreciate these right now, they really shouldn't be getting them after they have left when they want to rejoin the EU
Let's say the UK can revoke Article 50 in time, how long until they decide to trigger it again? I think there should be waiting period before withdrawing and retriggering the article.
What about, I dunno, 2 years?
It could go to court and the ECJ settle that restarting art. 50 without enough time to reconsider in between means that it was never deactivated and thus Britain is out without deal. I wouldn't risk that, really.
Great videos! Keep up the good work!
The UK will rejoin the EU. That’s going to be unavoidable. Young people want to be in the Eu and will push to rejoin. When we do we will have to take on the euro and reform the House of Lords. There only way to avoid this is to stop Brexit.
Won't happen for at least 20-30 years. Have to wait for the current dinosaurs to die out first.
It's going to be the mother of all generation conflicts. And I thought Germany's generation conflict was nasty (at least it was 30 years ago).
Why would we not want House of Lords reform? As young people get older they will realise the eu is undemocratic and unreformable
That's because young people are being taught that independence is a bad thing (which is a bad thing).
The voices in your head.
Another fantastic video! Keep up the good work. :)
where's your video on What Other Countries Think About BREXIT???
Poland, Hungary, Italy
So much hate from the safety of a key board. Us common folk Brits seem to give and take a lot of abuse these days. Whats happened to us! Regardless or in or out, hopefully once the uncertainty is over we can get on with being pleasant to each other again.
I wish it was that easy. I really do.
No no no no lets get out now
New members can't opt-out of the Euro.
Even assuming the UK would want to rejoin the EU, spending goodwill on a Euro-opt-out would be unwise as they can simply perpetually fail to meet requirements. They could ask for it so they could give it up as a concession, but it wouldn't be worth pursuing as a goal for the UK.
Purely hypothetical though.
Yeah let’s just have referendums every week to make decisions. What a great way to run a country. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Swiss does it !
You haven't had a referendum in 2 years. A bit of an exaggeration innit ?
It's a pretty good idea. A lot has changed in two years and it's becoming clearer every day if you closely follow the news, that what people thought they were voting for isn't what we're going to get. It makes sense to present everyone with the results of two years' worth of arguing and deal-making. If the deal stinks, it makes sense to give people an opt-out instead of just say "Well too bad, you voted for it two years ago before you realised what it really meant"
@@purklefluff It was decided, not a good idea to re-do-it at all.
Yeah and then just keep letting the losing side call another referendum if theg dont like the result.
This entire problem has come about from politicians refusing to accept the result of a democratic vote and just getting on as a united government. Labour are digging their heels in against everything the government suggest because they want another general election, Sturgeon only cares about another independence referendum because she was never happy about the last one.
We were in a strong position at the start of Brexit and had the ability to negotiate a strong deal, however this relentless "2nd referendum" has played right into the EU's hands.
However Brexit not happening would simply we show we are not a democratic country at all, but no more than a spoilt brat child
Oy! Thank God I live in the USA, where we have a well-functioning government and a brilliant president!
heh
Lol is this a joke ? The us system is even worse
@@max_208 Can I just go to mars when God-Emperor Musk starts a colony with us driving Teslas on the surface?
@@corieg1 All hail the great Omnissiah , the all-knowing Musk!
not true.
Sweden meets all the requirements to adapt the Euro.
we had a referendum and we voted to not adapt the bloody currency.
and this has saved our economy from going downhill in 2008.
So the Brits have thus far successfully received special treatment. And now they are abandoning their privileges.
While inevitably having to continue to do business with Europe in future, but without the benefit of a voice in the EU's decision-making process...
At least once the uk will leave the EU, the politicians will not be able to blame the EU for such or such problem. Only their incompetence will be to blame.
Oh I'm sure something will be to blame. These fcking have just shot themselves in the foot as they've just got rid of their biggest scape goat
Remain can't be an option in a 2nd referendum; the British people have already voted to leave.
Labour can't be an option in the next election, the British people have already voted Conservative!
See how stupid that is?
@@tomtherealpom No, because the elections are a normal way of life, every so often we have an election to choose our parliament. the referendum was a once in a lifetime thing and also you can not keep having referendum after referendum, where do you stop? I know the E.U likes referendums until they find the right answer, Ireland know all about that, but the E.U know as much about democracy as China.
@@zyborg47 The referendum was a consultation.
The people have spoken.
-And shall never speak again!!!
I am a massive remainer
My feelings at the start of the video:
We are leaving the EU on January 31 and as it is almost impossible in blue to stop Brexit now, I hope so that we have a pro-remain prime minister in the future who will make britian great again. Let's just see the video until the end and hope that the UK can reverse brexit.
My feelings at the end of the video:
I'm really sad. It will be a nightmare going back in! I hope the eu dissolves itself and immedianelty reform with no changes and the uk will be a resounding member!
Good news! Looks like you are really out and already have trade deals with several countries on the way.
Well whatever happens is what the UK deserves. That's democracy.
Good video but I think there are two important facts that were omitted
* The two year period is not a hard cap, as the final point of leaving requires all member states to agree on the terms of the UK leaving. If the members don't agree the nation can't leave and discussion goes on indefinitely.
* The referendum itself was not legally binding and though unlikely, it is entirely feasible for a government to throw out the issue entirely and continue being in the EU
If you Leavers really want to leave, why don't you leave and go somewhere else?
What a stuipid unlogical question lol. The EU is a new super dictator state we dont want nothing to do. Why dont you leave and go there your the traitor to your country nout us!
If you Remainers really want to remain, why don't you move to a remaining EU country?
@@moelester5938 They do, Farage was one of the first to escape to France LOL
Brexiters won the election so the remainers need to accept it or leave.
@@mrhanky-panky133 The problem is Brexit makes it harder to leave. Right now any UK citizen can freely get up and move to / live in any of the other 27 countries that make up the EU. No hoops to jump through, no special criteria to have to fulfil, no visa, no nothing, you can just get on a plane and go. After Brexit this right will be gone, making it a lot more difficult for us to move abroad. I personally would love to live in America, but you can't legally just go there and stay indefinitely, you have to jump through a lot of hoops and even then you might not legally be allowed to live there. However I can just get on a plane and go and live in the south of Spain no problem. As someone that voted remain I would happily leave the UK and live abroad in another EU country, but thanks to the Brexit vote it is more difficult.
The UK has never been fully in and it will never be fully out. Leaving the institutions nominally will leave the country without a say in the affairs they still will have to align themselves to. They have managed to navigate themselves into a worse situation than what they were in.
tl;dr - Brexit hasn't happened yet so there's actually nothing to undo except for withdrawing the notice to leave. Saved you 10 mins.
Like giving your 2 weeks notice to your employer, and then withdrawing it? No dude, you're already gone and been replaced.
Ha ha, @@Woffenhorst Actually no, nothing like that.
@@AsphaltAntelope Actually, is worse than that. There will be a cost to revert article 50, at the very least expect to lose all current exemptions; at worst the UK will be forced to compensate other countries for any loss caused by Brexit (we are talking about 0.5-1% GDP loss over pre-Brexit growth estimates... and .5% of 18 trillion is a lot). And that's not even considering the political costs... the UK will be seen as the fifth column of Europe by their peers for decades.
@@Imman1s WTF? Actually that's not true at all, you may want that to be true, it may be morally right for that to be true and for their to be some kind of punishment or cost but at the moment there's simply no proviso for any of that.
@@Imman1s - That's not true. If Britain suddenly says: "we have thought it twice and changed our mind", the EU and members will be pissed off but also glad that the situation is over. However most of them don't care if Britain leaves, except for the precedent it is for future possible leaves. What does Britain do for the EU? Nothing (it's essentially a most annoying tax heaven, a consumer maybe). What does the EU do for Britain? Too much (tolerating its exceptionalism, treating it as equal).
Great video. Excellent channel. Brilliant content.
Without watching the video, I think undoing Brexit would piss a lot of people off dividing the nation and would be a bit anticlimactic for us foreign spectators tbh
Yeah I was I'm so excited to see what will happen of the UK. They can't just act as nothing happened.
nation already is divided 52% to 48%. and you guessed it alot of people are already pissed off. either way...
While I think brexit is a mistake, you're 100% right. It would be needed to be handled very carefully and plan every detail. Which May doesn't seem to be able to do.
Only half of the U.K. wanted to leave so now all of us have to leave
Yeah, that is democracy, look it up.
Actual in the most voting systems, you must have a total majority of 2/3. If no one get the total majority in the second run is the simple majority allowed.
RyuImperator that should’ve been done here
And even fewer voted Remain. Stop being so childish.
You are welcome to stay in the EU. Plenty of other countries still in it. But more interestingly do you not see that your argument can be turned onto you? Why would the half that want to leave have to stay just because that half wanted to stay? Democracy is majority, you say half but it isnt half is it, more than half voted to leave. That few % is A LOT of people. Thankfully the majority are not brain washed. The EU should be abolished.
The UK had better stop Brexit if it wants to have an economy.
What's this "will of the poeple" thing I keep hearing? Everyone now knows that "the people" were suckered in to voting for brexit. Isn't it just common sense to "double check" with the people on such an important issue? Particularly since the "will of the people" was such a narrow margin.
Lord Kerr, the man who helped write article 50 says. You can just ask for article 50 back and brexit will be void.
We haven't left yet so if we drop brexit we will retain all our privileges, trade agreements and rights that we enjoy currently.
Sure, but Sir John Kerr must not have paid attention when the UK Supreme Court upheld the rulling of the UK High Court which acknowledged that it was “common ground between the parties” that “a notice under article 50 cannot be withdrawn once it is given” and that “once a notice is given, it will result inevitably to the withdrawal of the UK from the EU”.
@@wolfetone2012 actually, what Parliament said was that in the light of article 50's 'ambiguity,' we are going to go by the simplest translation given that it does not specifically specify that the article can be revoked.
But it takes two to tango, and as you must know, the president of the European Council Tusk says, that the EU is more than willing to void brexit altogether.
But I've just read the latest news. 😂Even the EU is now unsure about what to do. If they let this ambiguity continue there is a big room for abuse and limbo if another state decides to leave.
So they will debate and judge in the comming months to march 29th 2019, whether to give us a second chance and then change the wording of the article 50 or, change the wording before allowing us back in
@@wolfetone2012 Did you see todays news? the EU court has ruled that We can revoke article 50. We are getting that second chance at reversing this madness.
Edit-ah, my bad, so the EU high court advisor has said that the country has the sovereign right to change their opinion. but its not the final ruling. having said that, in 3/4 of cases the high court follows through with the advice of the advisor. So, fingers crossed.
Good summary, thanks
First (Second) BREXIT should let Northern Ireland go back to Ireland, I think it would be the simplest thing to do here
but muh stronk british empire
The DUP would't allow this and they keep the GOV in power.
Except that goes against what the northern Irish want.
stupid comment,
I love the idea of a United Ireland but that's anything but simple and would lead to the troubles part 2.
This is a mess, they shouldve done the homework before activating anything, WTH were they thinking about?
If we rejoin the EU, the people who voted leave will still want to leave, not to mention the numerous brexiteer politicians who will immediately be riled up and will not stay quiet until we leave the EU. Do the remainers think we are that easy? that we will just shut up and get on with our lives if we remain? Of course we won't. We will campaign and campaign until the best thing is done for the country.
Best? When the country is basically relying on the EU for everything? From food imports to spare parts and medicine.
You are right and this aspect is very under exposed.
How are the people of the UK going to live together in the future? Divided as hell?
For a prosperous society there needs to be a degree of consensus.
@@dimiathan Why would leaving the EU affect trading with the countries inside it? You obviously don't understand how trade works or simple British politics if you genuinely think Britain "relies" on being in the EU.
@@harryburrows2112 Hmmmmmm..... Should I spell it for you? In the EU we have super strict regulations (thankfully). Whatever product doesn't meet those standards cannot enter the Union. So if your production doesn't comply with the EU regulation you simply cannot export it to one of the biggest, strongest (and closest to you) markets in the world. Same with fruits and veggies. If you change regulations and you start using chemicals in agriculture that are illegal in the EU you simply cannot export them. Plus, why should we buy something from the UK since it will have tariffs and not from Germany or Austria?
@@dimiathan Okay Dimitris then don't fucking buy it then. We have plenty of other more profitable exports.
So they invoke article 50, wait 2 years and then go "nah, just joking!"? If it is that easy what prevents them from invoking it again a month later? I don't think withdrawing article 50 is a thing that can happen.
It's at that moment you realize the Monty Python shows and movies were the most realistic depiction of the UK ever..
7:42, schengen area: perhaps rehearsing the pronunciation of 'schengen' wouldn't be a bad idea..
Maybe he was talking about Shenzhen in China?
@@AsphaltAntelope He's saying the "gen" part as in generation. He really should change the way he pronounces it
@@TurinStark5 (I know he was :p ) He was saying it wrong, I was just being facetious.
Either Remainers or Brexiteers have to agree that this guy explains all this mess better than any of our politicians.
2nd referendum, while being democratic would not serve the democracy. Nonsense surely..? what I mean is 1st referendum was done when voters had very little idea what they were really voting for, and in some cases where lied to(NHS money). But 2nd referendum would be seen as breach of democratic process by many people both inside and outside of UK. In my opinion, loss of faith in democracy would be more damaging than the Brexit itself
So we just keep voting until you get the vote you want?
@@ASexyGeek Funnily enough that's exactly how you got the leave vote :P Just keep having leave referendums until you get the outcome you want then cry when they wish to do it back to you^^
Can UK revoke article 50 on 28 Mar, then trigger it the next day on 29 Mar thus extending the negotiation period by another 2 years?
If they could revoke it, theoretically it would be possible to invoke it again
A democratic vote should always be respected
That's a bold claim. You can't think of one situation where it shouldn't be?
Theresa didn't respect the vote from 2 years previous.
Why should we?
Hitler was elected democratically.
While democracy is important, people are often ignorant and full of propaganda, and not many people take the effort to do a full research on what they vote for, even the most invested people may have only one source of information.
@@uvbe Hitler was elected democratically. Yes but immediately cancelled Elections and bumped off all opponents.
Polling shows that the public basically has no idea whether Brexit was a good idea or not, and their confidence has not changed one jot since the referrendum. Gee, it's almost like asking the general public to make complex and important economic policy decisions through direct democracy isn't such a great idea!! This is why we hire experts. Too bad people are afraid of experts these days.
this is something i wish i would leave it like that Brexit means Brexit
ps i wish we stay in the EU
but we cantttttttttttttttttttt
No we can't
@Vlodec
No we can't
I'd rather die free and starving than be saddled with the EU
You won't have to wait long then. You probably won't starve tho, don't be so harsh on your economy, it's not strong but it's not that weak either.
You won't be free.
Please make the video about the likely results of a 2nd referendum.
Leave win by more as a large chunk of remainers refuse to vote as they are democrats and consider the question settled
If the result is to remain you would need a tie breaker. As that's one referendum each.
There so many videos explaining various aspects of Brexit.
This helped understand Brexit. Regards from India :)
Haha, it's so cute that anybody over there thinks you can get a better deal than the one you have. You need an economy for that, which you might well not have soon. For that you would need a smooth transition where you actually have a functional system for trading with other countries. Having a giant Empire like last time to strengthen your bargaining position wouldn't hurt either, but good luck with that. At this rate, we will just wait for your economy to go into recession when your entire international trade system grinds to a halt at the end of March and you have to try to negotiate new relationships with all of your trading partners.
People over here voted leave under false economic promises, racism, and a way for the poverty-stricken to kick back at the people in power. They didnt realise it would backfire so bad. My country is a stupid one
@@euanronaldson793 , it would be wise to have a second referendum before actually taking such an important decision.
@@euanronaldson793 "I'd rather be a poor master than a rich servant."
who told you that? where are you parroted this from?
>EU NPC noises.
Why not cancel brexit first then have the referendum. If people still want to leave then invoke article 50 again. It will also rest the clock.
Maybe because the EU wouldn't tolerate it? By this video its unclear whether UK can revoke article 50 at all. Seems to me that it is implied that it would be left up to the EU to decide on whether to honor the revocation. If the EU knew that the UK was just going to hold another referendum the possibly invoke art 50 again, my bet is they wouldn't let UK revoke 50 in the first place.
EU is here to stay. Brussels will be the next superpower the world needs.
Brussels is a city not a country
Go EU!
The EU is already the largest econimical SuperPower in the world.
Imagine thinking consolidation of power is ever a good thing.
Which land did you lose? How old are you?
Let's HOPE NOT, to your title, it was put to the British people in a vote, the majority of the British people voted to leave, that's it, that's a democracy, to honour what the British people wished.
A second referendum should not have one question with three rankable answer options, but two questions with binary answers each.
1. Accept the deal?
2. If 1. is rejected, no-deal leave or remain?
Isn't that just asking the same thing in a slightly different way?
3. If he national result of 2. is hard brexit but local result (Scottish, Northern Irish) is remain, secede or stay part of the UK?
@@explodethebomb Basically yes, but since the current, post-2016 objective is to organize (and not to question) _a_ brexit, you would first have to decide whether the terms negotiated are acceptable. If, however, Parliament rejected _this_ brexit themselves, the public could be asked question 2 directly. Otherwise, Parliament needed to answer it any way and they seem reluctant to do so.
The key difference is that when answering question 1,whether in Parliament or referendum, you have to consider the possibility that an option you want even less could be accepted in the end, no matter whether you prefer Hard Brexit or Remain. That means, this makes it slightly more likely than STV that Mayʼs deal would be accepted.
That would unfairly bias it towards leaving with or without the deal.
If someone wished to vote remain with the deal proposed as the fallback position, then there's no way to account for that.
If someone wanted to opt for the deal with either remain or leave if that's not an option, then it likewise provides no options to reflect that preference.
The single transferable vote proposed here allows all combinations such as:
"leave, even if I have to accept a deal",
"stay, but I'll accept leaving with the deal if that's not possible",
"leave with the deal but f**k it, (leave/remain) if the deal's not possible"
The STV system is actually great for distilling a problem down to the most acceptable solution for the greatest number of people.
Just stop with referendums.
They are too simple to reflect the will of the people and politicians cannot be forced to deliver the result anyway.
Also, the UK would lose its Rebate, and it would have to pay a high price for re joining the Union since it take only one veto to keep the UK out. Spain’s perhaps? Greece ?
HARD Brexit! The EU is undemocratic, and the whole organization needs to be reformed, or abolished.
How is the EU undemocratic?
@@uvbe Because it doesn't use antique undemocratic voting systems like first-past-the-poll. It makes a mockery of Democracy in the UK by exposing how undemocratic it is, by giving the Brits much more democratic regular votes.
With the deal we've got, I bloody hope so
All these EU lovers in the comments, understandble to a degree but so dissapointing. We've grown so fat, weak and soft over the years we have forgotten freedom and democracy is something worth holding onto, worth fighting for and must always be defended. Its the only thing that means a damn as nation, any nation, is our democracy, freedoms and culture. We fought two world wars to preserve it, not just for ourselves but for all Europe so they could keep their Independence and Democracy. We sacrificed countless lives and the British Empire to achieve it, what nation can say they destroyed their own Empire for the ideal of Indepedence and Democracy.
Now a few generations later we are happy to sell our Freedoms, our British Common Law, to an unelected establishment in Brussels for the economic security blanket of a gilded cage. We are a Democracy in name only, the EU cares nothing for the independent native cultures, their Democracies and people who call Europe home, it is all about how much can they bleed from each country and how big of a bank statement they have. Whats worse is this isnt even a secret, this has been known for years, decades even and yet we have chosen to bury our heads in sand in favour of the belief "Well it could be worse...". Yes it could be worse if we leave, yes No Deal is a harder path with no security blanket to catch us if we fall but that is what life is all about, that is the same struggle the average person faces everyday, will you succeed or fail at life. The first baby bird that flys from the nest to forge its own way but we are no baby bird, we once were a souring eagle that happily welcomed the challenge but we grew scared and soft and flew into the EU's nest, renting out his cellar and growing fat while he drops worms in our mouth while slowerly clipping our wings and stealing our eggs.
Despite what remain says, we of who voted to leave are not trying to recreate the glory days of a dead Empire, nor do we want to cut ties with our mainland friends. We are trying desperatly to preserve everything we love, everything we believed to be good in our Democracy, everything our grandfathers and great grandfathers bled and died for, so that the next generation born long after all this rubbish is settled will known who they are, whether that be English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. They will know their identities and will have the opputinity to govern their own choices for the good of the entire British Isles, they will have freedom but also responsability and both those things are just as important. That is not wrong, that is not bigoted, that is not racist or stupid, that is what anyone who trully loves their country and its people would want for its future generation.
Well at least you make a half-way decent argument, I'll warrant you that. But if the several nations of the UK can combine and still keep their own cultures, languages, customs, and in Scotland's case a separate legal system, why then can't the members of the EU do the same, just on a wider scale? Why do you think the EU is anti-democratic? It may have a different style to the UK, more consensual, less adversarial, but on balance maybe the UK system is the less democratic. E.g. the House of Lords, really democratic that!
@@marconatrix
While it is true that we of the UK have the Union and each hold claim to their own unique culture within that Union it has not been easy or without sacrifice, it has taken a very very long time to find any degree of balance, centuries in fact. There have been many mistakes during this period and lessons have been hard learned and we have neglected each other at times despite sharing the same island, still to this day there is distrust which lurks beneath and old rivalries which still endure.
But ultimatly what binds us together is the simple fact that this is 'all' our island, we have each earned our place within it and resisted the pull of each others culture and yet still survived. As an Island people we have fought countless battles against each other for dominance, we are a very strong willed collection of people, because we have had to be. Even the British Empire for all that it was could not have reached the heights it did without the individual strengths that each of brought. We are bound together in a marriage, a siamese joint relationship, for better and for worse, we have no real choice but to make it work. We are family, a disfuctional sometimes argumenative family but a family all the same and beneath the insults, sarcasm, jokes and arguing there is also respect and even love for each other, though like any strong willed family we will rarely say it.
The EU however was created to serve a different purpose in its conception. They could have once held the potential to be something good but they have become hungry for more, you cannot hold power on such a huge scale and not fall to the corrupting temptation that it will offer, a parliament process consisting of 28 countries, a goverment too large to manage each nation in its nest, each with their own culture and interests to serve is doomed to fail, this has been true throughout history even in the British Empire. They are not interested in preserving individual soverignties, their democracies or even their culture, true reprensentation is very hard to achieve even in small democracies, even in ours it is very difficult to keep a balance and it takes constant communication to do so and still there are conclusions where one side feels they drew the short straw. Now picture that on a European scale, difficult dousnt even describe it, cracks already are appearing, nations have become bankrupt, distrust and internal anger is growing at alarming rates, mass immagration and the failure of goverments to address its people cocerns is becoming dangerous as increasinly far-right and far-left groups gain more and more traction, this is not heading to a happy conclusion.
The United States of Europe, if it could endure long enough to make it so, would be a loss to everything each nation once was, no freedoms to decide your own countries fate, no responsability outside of maintaining what they decide. What is the point of even having a democracy when the people who are deciding the laws do not even live within the countries they are deciding for? We are just statistics to them, they are just people like we are and yet they can be trusted with absolute power to govern over Europe? The House of Lords is by no means perfect and their childish bickering often does more harm than good but by leaving they will become accountable, they have grown fat and comfortable leaving the majority of the decisions and law making to foreign ministers.
This is not what we stood up to tyranny for, yes governing ourselves and making our own laws and trade agreements is harder, responsability is always harder but so is freedom, neither of these things come easily, freedom is not free. It must be worked for, maintained, built up. I know the prospect of leaving the EU if frightning to many because we havent had to do it for awhile and yes I have no doubt there will be teething pains but the alternative is no less frightning and offers far less of a chance of us emerging from the other side as the UK or even England, Scotland, Wales or Ireland. Thats too high a price, for any nation. I want the generations that come long after us to have to chance to make their own paths and not be told what their paths should be. Freindship and free trade with our European neibours is desired but not at the cost of our independence, no matter how fat the worm.
You should totally make a RUclips video of all that, with the Union Jack flying, to the tune of 'Jerusalem'!
The first referendum was worded somthing like "do you want us to consider leaving the eu".
Britain used to be the most powerful nation on earth with an overseas empire than spanned a quarter of the earths surface.
The people on this island are not like any other. We are first and foremost polite and caring. We choose peace over war, but if the British bulldog gets poked enough times we will fight back and you will see the people of this country become guardians of our destiny.
The EU for all that I love it for, has encroached a little to far over the line.
Many people see their local communities change due to globalism and we as humans are very closed minded because we only care about the people and places in our vicinity. When I walk around my town I see kebab shops and nothing but globalism.
This nation does not produce what it used to. We need to get a grip and become great once more and lead humans to a new era of space colonisation
Those kebab shops aren't the fault of the EU as there are no members in the union like that. Blame your own government for importing millions of people from your old colonies. Britain in fact has exemption from any quotas that the rest of the EU are forced to take on when it comes to third world "refugees".
The UK as a peace-loving nation, that's a new one on us. It would be difficult to name a country where the UK hasn't fought at least a battle or more likely a full war to extend or to keep their Empire.
Omg, what a joke xD
Kebab shops, Indian and Chinese restaurants, I think I saw a Lebanese place the other day... I blame the EU for letting us make our own decisions on immigration on a national level. We need to take back control and force them to do even less than nothing to interfere with our sovereignty in the matter! Don't ask me how they could do less than nothing - it's the principle of the thing!
What the hell have you got against kebabs? Don't order a greasy donner, wait ten minutes and get a chicken or lamb shish kebab, freshly cooked with a nice salad and rice (or chips) mmmm
I'm bound to point one thing out: The EU have already said they will extend the time period if the UK decides to call a second referendum or has a general election. So the 18 weeks argument is moot.
Best brexit of all: no brexit at all.
Hecatonicosachoron hard brexit would probably be the best
Very clear, well done.
you should get an editor that adds sounds for your animations and maybe some background music, would make your videos more popular :)
According to the European court it can be stopped with no penalty, business as normal.