@Darth Giggity dude just stop with the elitism we get it your a boomer what’s funny too is everyone ages ten and up already knows about duck hunt because there’s a really good vr game of it that plays like classic duck hunt just with some new twist everyone older than 35 is like “what’s vr “?! LOL -virtual reality- old man, get with the times .. 😏 👍
@@funynonsence actually "boomers" are between the ages of 60-75 today. And 35-yr old are actually Millennials. The generation that probably most identifies with Duck Hunt in its original conception is Generation X. But good point on the legacy of the game still being very well known. Which is why I made no claim of exclusivity for my generation. I figured most people would still get the reference. How is the newer versions?
Every single line in this scene is skilled writing. One of the very few times the show has called out discrepancies between continuity and a character's line where it's actually been effective.
I had a math teacher like this in high school. He was known throughout the school for going on the craziest tangents (no pun intended) in the middle of his lessons. You had no idea where he was going with it. You just knew that 10 to 15 minutes later, Mr. McKenzie was going to eventually arrive at the destination.
@@Baxter2064 I had a substitute teacher like that. He’d go off into stories that lasted forever. We always knew when he showed up, it was going to be a good day. Sometimes students need that.
You can always count on Guinan to parachute in, drop a few gems of wisdom, and then as soon as you realize you've been schooled, she fades back into the background. Great character, and Whoopi Goldberg played her perfectly.
It's such a shame that she turned into a mouthpiece for The View, talking about younger people can't afford real estate today because they are too lazy to work 80 hours a week.
I love the subtle change in his attitude when he has to acknowledge that Gunian has been alive and had way more practice than he has. It was a nod that she honestly bested him.
Counselors are taught from books and study on what experts THINK they know about how people feel, and interact with people in a sterile environment. A Bartender experience people from day to day in a organic environment getting to actually see and feel how people think.
As much as I would have liked seeing Guinan more, I like she's popping up randomly because every time she's on screen she's dropping wisdom on fools...her random appearances make her that much more badass
"He's gonna want to know what it's like to really be a Klingon, just as you're learning now" That's some interesting commentary on Worf and his identity as a Klingon. Throughout the series Worf makes a big deal out of being a Klingon, saying things like _"Klingons dont laugh!"_ and _"I am Klingon! We do not have fun!"_ , but he's actually quite different to most other Klingons we see. Most other Klingons we see have a sense of humour and laugh and seem more easygoing than Worf (e.g. in "A Matter of Honor", and to some extent "The Chase"). They also seem to almost care less about "honour" than Worf (seen when Worf butts heads with them in "Sins of the Father" and "Rightful Heir" for example). It's almost as if WORF is the one who doesn't understand Klingon culture, or that he's out of touch with what modern Klingon culture is actually like. Which wouldn't be surprising given that Worf grew up as a kid on Earth; it would make sense that his understanding of Klingon culture and what it means to be a Klingon is based moreso on idealised stereotypes of stoic honourable warriors than on what most actual Klingons are like, since he had no other Klingons growing up for reference.
I know they explain it at some point, I think in DS9 but don't hold me to it. When he was a kid he was, for all intents and purposes, a normal Klingon but if I remember correctly something happened that was so profound that he worked to restrain his more volatile emotions and that's how we get the stoic honorable warrior we see today.
It's also worth keeping in mind what "being Klingon" is metaphor for here. These are two black actors talking about being black and growing up black in America. These are people who grew up seeing racial violence on tv and black communities being radicalized (for good reasons!), not to mention their own experiences. It's about black youth wanting to connect to their cultural roots, but often only having books and their parents to learn from (if at all) because a different culture has forcefully assimilated their ancestors almost completely. At least Worf lived on a much more xenophilic Earth, but I'm sure he must have experienced prejudice at many points in his life.
the priceless bit is how they hipfire in a markmanship program like they are in some sort of spaghetti western. Neither of them would ever hit anything like that.
0:30 W: "I practice at lvl 14" G: "Guess I can come down to that level.." Warf: WTF?! I love it.. Guinen was the master of sneaky backhands and sharp wit...
Idk about that Tim, I saw a clip of Loose Women, where the women were all talking about how Women have it harder than men and how opressed they are (a bunch of White, rich women talking about how tough their lives are, next to Whoopi) n she chewed them out. She had no time for that self pitying bullshit n they really hated on her for it. Go ahead n search for Whoopi Goldberg Loose Women
Guinan did make him laugh when she introduced him to prune juice, and was talking to him about if he'd ever consider having a relationship with a non klingon woman.
This is one of TNG’s best scenes! So many perfect elements! A game whose rules are obvious to a television viewer. Continuing Guinan’s character arc of being dangerous with weapons (also seen in “Night Terrors” and “I, Borg.”) Callback to Worf’s past that describes Worf’s present- though his own kid! And Whoopi Goldberg, a guest star who literally just asked for a role after Denise Crosby departed- through her friend Levar Burton.
I love how she so purposefully *uses* that line "I guess I could come *down* to that level" just to demurely and elfishly prod him into a specific emotional space. She gives him a chance right there to take whatever tone he wants for the interaction, and he reacts defensively out of his sense of obligation to "stay true" to his perception of Klingon ideals, thereby walking of his own volition into the lesson in front of him. This is probably a good chunk of why Guinan consistently came off as ancient and superintelligent. Playing qualities like that as an actor can be uncompromisingly tricky and this is just such a solid iteration of that trope. I am always troubled by the minstrel-show-adjacent qualities of this kind of character, but it remains resoundingly true that this is an impeccable execution. Star Trek remains one of the strongest forces in contemporary cultural history pushing that particular envelope forward to this day.
I always wanted to know if Guinan and Dax ever met each other. Considering the hundreds of years that they've lived, their conversations would be quite intriguing.
You answered your onw question the next generation knew that over use of a good character would make them seem cheep so her lack of appearance makes all her showings seem better
Did Worf really expect her to believe that "Klingons don't laugh"? Every night is like a feast of singing, fighting, drinking, and telling stories with them. It would be weird if a Klingon managed to go a single day without laughing.
he was not raised among Klingons, plus he tells Jadzia that he has held back everything since he accidentally killed a boy in a soccer match just by doing a regular challenge. as soon as Worf starts hanging out with Klingons in DS9 his humor returns
I just realized today, after so many years since the show's first airing, that the target spheres match the color on which the shooters are standing: Guinan on yellow and Worf on blue.
Guinan is a mystery. She appears simple, her people were scattered across the universe by the Borg, yet can threaten and contend with the all powerful "Q". I wish we knew more about her species.
@@DennisKovacich I got the sens that while her people may have some ability to defend against Q or perhaps just prevent a Q's power's from working on them, unknown for sure, but that their power is far more limited than Q's. When the enterprise C came though a rift and time was altered Guinan wasn't immune to the change, just partially resistant to the extent that she knew something was wrong with the situation.
@@DennisKovacich I think Q wasn't actually scared of her, rather he finds her to be an annoyance for some reason. If the Borg could wipe out her species, he could blink her out of existence, but that would both kill any future relationship with Piccard as well as probably get him into trouble with the other Q.
That was one of TNG's best episodes, IMHO. Watching Q and Guinan discuss each other while Picard is left in the lurch to watch. It gave both Q and Guinan a special depth and extra layer of mystery.
Guinan has tons of abilities, but compared to Q she is an amoeba. The Borg destroyed her entire race. Q can wipe the Borg out of existence with a mere thought.
@2:03....."No it won't, but at some point he's going to want to know what its like to really be a Klingon" pauses "Just as you're learning now!" Another great Guinan moment, highlighting to Worf his inexperience around his own people. Worf knows everything pretty much from second hand sources, but has never been or lived with Klingons. It was only then, at that point, as Guinan mentioned he himself was beginning to learn what BEING a Klingon really meant!
I don't know if you could really have a movie focused on her and still have it be her. Think about it she is the barkeep that has words of wisdom for the crew. How much can you really do with the character without changing her significantly.
Then there was Ezri the last minute replacement Dax. He got her pretty good during the end of the season ending the joke with the line "And Jadzia said I don't have a sense of humor"
Worf: I have a sense of humor. On the Enterprise, I was considered to be quite amusing. Jadzia Dax: That must've been one dull ship. Worf: That is a joke. I get it. It is not funny, but I get it.
I remember watching Encounter at Farpoint and the scene where Worf says from the back of the bridge, "Shields and deflectors up, sir." I thought to myself, yeah okay. The token Klingon to show that times have moved on from the original series. How wrong I was. What a character he became!
A lot modern writers could learn from this scene. If this was modern Trek we would know nothing about Guinan, she would just show up tell Warf how to be Klingon and stomp him at target practice. But this works better because she isn't telling how to be Klingon mearly giving him examples to refute what he thinks it means and her proficiency at target practice is believable because as she said "I've been doing this before you where born." All of it made sense because of what we have been allowed to know from her in previous episodes and it makes the scene flow easily and naturally. Hopefully modern writers will pick up on it soon.
Maybe it is a lack of passing down the skills from writers of yesterday, perhaps it's an innate failing of writers today. I hope you're right because modern Trek sucks because of exactly what you describe.
Also compare her to modern Guinan in Picard. This amazing character with wit and humor and wisdom is basically the token character to remind us racism exists...that's almost the entire purpose she serves, just to complain .
+Metalman200xdamnit Unfortunately that isn't true. Blacks voted overwhelmingly for Obama both times. I have respect for any black person that manages to see the sham of liberalism and leave the Democratic plantation, but they're far too few.
Whoopie is an amazing actress, who wanted to continue the strong female black characters in the start trek universe after Nichelle Nicoles. Although a Secondary character she still had a lot of weight and impact on the series ( if you watch it properly), the character was never fully covered which lead to her mystery. They weren't forced to use "another black actress" Tom Siezemore they created the role for her.
Sort of not really. That would be if she made everyone else useless to the story because of her power, but the only thing that's really special about her is that she's ancient and hasn't physically aged. She likely knows some pretty esoteric knowledge because she's a survivor of a species consumed by the Borg and immediately recognizes Q despite the fact that he was using a form he only relatively recently created for interacting with the humans, but it's rarely applicable on a tactical level.
@@Idazmi7 But Guinan would probably have the wisdom and patience to help Quark become a better individual over time. Quark is still a decent person deep inside and I believe Guinan will be able to see that :3
A lot of people also sneered at Picard for having so much trouble fighting Soren in "Generations". But you have to remember that El-Auriens live a *lot* longer than humans and consequently have more time to become skilled at various things. Even Worf was less embarrassed when she pointed that out to him. Also, he *is* rather stuffy by Klingon standards.
Shrouded in mystery, hundreds of years old, or more, in some way considered dangerous and frightening even to the Q, only appears when she can be helpful, and always conveys her message in a way deeper and more lasting than words could...
Would have laughed if Guinan was able to hit a target without even looking. Just to see Worf's reaction to how outclassed he is when it comes to shooting a phaser.
My uncle introduced me to this series. I thank him every day for that. Star Trek truly was the hope of what humanity could become. And Guinan was always there to prove that we're going to stumble with every step getting there.
I'm no gun expert, but one website that seemed to know what it talking about claimed that even some of the best shooters achieve 50% accuracy when under stress, which Word here clearly demonstrated (out of 6 shots, only 3 landed, during an high level test). This means Worf is actually a good shot, just that Guinan is Guinan, pushing his buttons.
@@magicmulder Guinan did not have anywhere near that kind of power, just a higher level of awareness that allowed her and the rest of her kind to see/feel the various possible outcomes of reality, and it was stated in TNG that's her species in the Q have come into contact with each other before.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 I know. Still it was a curious scene when Q and Guinan met. Q acted like he couldn't just snap her out of existence, and Guínan acted like she could actually protect herself against him. My personal theory is that they're something like old friends/rivals in a love-hate relationship and that scene was just the way they jest among themselves.
Rodenberry insisted they couldn't look like pistols, because that would be violent, and Star Fleet is a pacifist organisation, if you ignore all the weapons they have and killing that they do.
This is the blueprint for every modern action movie. “I am a bartender but also happen to be a 700 years old Space Marine with a major in Transwarp mathematics”.
Not surprising at all....It's a good example of a propaganda ploy....The petite but empowered black woman defeating a large hyper-masculine stereotype....The girls in the audience eat this stuff up...And remember the advertisers on the show. Because someday those girls grow up, buy things and vote Socialist Democrat. (Because Whoopie Goldberg does)
This is a pretty great scene. It's obvious that Worf misses shots while Guidan hits all hers, but that shows more than just target practice. Pay attention to the conversation and where they're at- the pacing of shots increases, and Guidan takes more shots while Worf rushes and misses more. The missed shots parallel Worf and how he lies to himself about being a Klingon, or lack of, among other things, including his son. Meanwhile, Guidan, in her ancient wisdom, lands her shots as she sees clearly what's going on in Worf's situation. And finally, this scene predicted Alexander in DS9, who did want to become a Klingon warrior after all, foreshadowing a future father-son story.
I know it’s a fictional situation, but man.., I‘d love to see more people with that kind of empathy and wisdom out there today. And yes, I do miss the Trek of that time. It was so much more enjoyable.
Whoopi Goldberg accepted a very gracious invitation from Patrick Stewart and the executive producers of Picard to reprise her role in Season 2. I'm super excited but not as excited as Whoopi.
It's great how all this came full circle in ds9 with Alexander wanting to be a true soldier and join a klingon house and worf laughing so hard at the end of an episode it cuts to the outside of the station. Him finding his best friend from his own race in martok.
Martok to Worf: and they say you have no sense of humor... Apparently even Klingons thought worf was lacking humor. They probably blame it on him being with humans.
It is perfectly obvious that she does not handle weapons. A number of times while talking, she had the emitter crystal aimed right at Worf. It's also obvious that he has spent very little time around weapons as having a weapon pointed directly at him did not "phase" him a bit....
Guinan's wisdom really does show through in this scene. However, it's still crazy that Star Fleet would bring children and families onto ships like this!
@Blue Skeptic I had her pegged at at least 1000 years old. She was 500 in the 19th Century, waited another 500 years to properly meet Picard. She'd have to be at least 1000, which for El-Aurians isn't that old. Soran was 800
I imagine you learn, just like with any gun. I had a toy one as a kid, and it has two panels on the top. They (and the small space between them) could function almost like iron sights.
@@DennisKovacich otherwise its point weapon in close direction of target, let computerized aim system make finite beem trajectory adjustments. Kind of like when you aim a pistol without 'aiming' (looking down the sights). How do people do that. Also known as firing from the hip. Keep in mind the hand phaser is intended as a short range ship board defense weapon, so its ideal engagement range is relatively short. I have not seen many instances where we see people intentionally and specifically aiming down the iron sights of pistols during fire fights. Usually if a character is actually aiming his pistol with the sights, their on a firing range or their going for a very specific shot.
Jagar Tharn, my biggest complaint about the Next Generation episode, “Aquiel,” was when Geordi realized that her dog was the biomimetic creature they were looking for, and he had to shoot it before it attacked him. If you watch closely when he fires the phaser, adjusting his aim while firing, you’ll see the beam changing angles as it goes out, staying in a straight line like a light saber. If you move a phaser while firing it, anything that’s already left it should continue in a straight line, and not be moved because you’re moving the phaser.
Do they show adverts on BBC America? If they do, that might be why. It's like when they show repeats of Top Gear on Dave in the UK, they have to chop a good ten minutes out of every episode to make them fit.
Worf keeps missing and that dog is gonna pop out of the grass and laugh at him.
@Darth Giggity dude just stop with the elitism we get it your a boomer what’s funny too is everyone ages ten and up already knows about duck hunt because there’s a really good vr game of it that plays like classic duck hunt just with some new twist everyone older than 35 is like “what’s vr “?! LOL -virtual reality- old man, get with the times .. 😏 👍
Ok, that made ME laugh.
@@funynonsence actually "boomers" are between the ages of 60-75 today. And 35-yr old are actually Millennials. The generation that probably most identifies with Duck Hunt in its original conception is Generation X. But good point on the legacy of the game still being very well known. Which is why I made no claim of exclusivity for my generation. I figured most people would still get the reference. How is the newer versions?
The dog would then die a violent death.
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Man that line that Cap says in the first Avengers is so appropriate.
It’s funny how you know that every conversation with Guinan is a lesson, but you don’t know where it’s headed until you get there.
Every single line in this scene is skilled writing. One of the very few times the show has called out discrepancies between continuity and a character's line where it's actually been effective.
I had a math teacher like this in high school. He was known throughout the school for going on the craziest tangents (no pun intended) in the middle of his lessons. You had no idea where he was going with it. You just knew that 10 to 15 minutes later, Mr. McKenzie was going to eventually arrive at the destination.
@@Baxter2064 I had a substitute teacher like that. He’d go off into stories that lasted forever. We always knew when he showed up, it was going to be a good day. Sometimes students need that.
But just imagine the wisdom someone that has lived nearly a millennia would have.
@@Baxter2064 Had one in college, Dr. Kuhn. He could teach calculus to chimpanzees if he wanted to.
You can always count on Guinan to parachute in, drop a few gems of wisdom, and then as soon as you realize you've been schooled, she fades back into the background. Great character, and Whoopi Goldberg played her perfectly.
It's such a shame that she turned into a mouthpiece for The View, talking about younger people can't afford real estate today because they are too lazy to work 80 hours a week.
@@billybegood466 You realize actors and their roles are two different things, right?
@@scottrackley4457 No shit, Sherlock. Great deduction.
I love the subtle change in his attitude when he has to acknowledge that Gunian has been alive and had way more practice than he has. It was a nod that she honestly bested him.
It's funny. They have a ship's counsellor who is awful at their job, then they have Guinan who does genuine counselling work but runs a bar.
Bartenders make the best counselors
only a good counsellor does not tell people what they should be doing, so no guinan is not a counsellor, more like a wise sounding board.
@Eduardo Mendez Troi was definitely more appropriately dressed to be a waitress than a therapist
Counselors are taught from books and study on what experts THINK they know about how people feel, and interact with people in a sterile environment. A Bartender experience people from day to day in a organic environment getting to actually see and feel how people think.
@@BlindDevilNeko So, essentially, the experts are full of crap and need to go into the real world to learn how to do their job
As much as I would have liked seeing Guinan more, I like she's popping up randomly because every time she's on screen she's dropping wisdom on fools...her random appearances make her that much more badass
At one time whoopi goldberg was putting out movies left and right.
Fools? Worf, Picard, Troi were not fools
Rob Jackson Everybody plays the fool, sometimes.
There’s no exception to the rule.
@@Nevir202 🤣
@@Nevir202 Listen baby...It may be factual, it may be cruel, and I ain't lyin' 😜
"He's gonna want to know what it's like to really be a Klingon, just as you're learning now"
That's some interesting commentary on Worf and his identity as a Klingon.
Throughout the series Worf makes a big deal out of being a Klingon, saying things like _"Klingons dont laugh!"_ and _"I am Klingon! We do not have fun!"_ , but he's actually quite different to most other Klingons we see. Most other Klingons we see have a sense of humour and laugh and seem more easygoing than Worf (e.g. in "A Matter of Honor", and to some extent "The Chase"). They also seem to almost care less about "honour" than Worf (seen when Worf butts heads with them in "Sins of the Father" and "Rightful Heir" for example).
It's almost as if WORF is the one who doesn't understand Klingon culture, or that he's out of touch with what modern Klingon culture is actually like. Which wouldn't be surprising given that Worf grew up as a kid on Earth; it would make sense that his understanding of Klingon culture and what it means to be a Klingon is based moreso on idealised stereotypes of stoic honourable warriors than on what most actual Klingons are like, since he had no other Klingons growing up for reference.
Worf was seperated from his Klingon ancestry for most of his childhood, which he takes it so literally in his adulthood
I know they explain it at some point, I think in DS9 but don't hold me to it. When he was a kid he was, for all intents and purposes, a normal Klingon but if I remember correctly something happened that was so profound that he worked to restrain his more volatile emotions and that's how we get the stoic honorable warrior we see today.
It's also worth keeping in mind what "being Klingon" is metaphor for here. These are two black actors talking about being black and growing up black in America. These are people who grew up seeing racial violence on tv and black communities being radicalized (for good reasons!), not to mention their own experiences. It's about black youth wanting to connect to their cultural roots, but often only having books and their parents to learn from (if at all) because a different culture has forcefully assimilated their ancestors almost completely.
At least Worf lived on a much more xenophilic Earth, but I'm sure he must have experienced prejudice at many points in his life.
Colony, not Earth, but otherwise, yes.
@@Desiremademanifest He played football as a kid and accidentally killed another kid by headbutting him.
Worf is NOT A MERRY MAN!
On the contrary Lt. Worf, your clothing identifies you with the character of Will Scarlet.
If you were any other man...
god damn that's funny
Don't forget the episode where he was. Lol.
The Worf doth protest!
Worf's reaction at Guinan being a higher level marksman is just priceless
the priceless bit is how they hipfire in a markmanship program like they are in some sort of spaghetti western. Neither of them would ever hit anything like that.
0:30
W: "I practice at lvl 14"
G: "Guess I can come down to that level.."
Warf: WTF?!
I love it.. Guinen was the master of sneaky backhands and sharp wit...
John Walker II ikr lol
jon walker : too bad she's a libtard in real life
Idk about that Tim, I saw a clip of Loose Women, where the women were all talking about how Women have it harder than men and how opressed they are (a bunch of White, rich women talking about how tough their lives are, next to Whoopi) n she chewed them out. She had no time for that self pitying bullshit n they really hated on her for it. Go ahead n search for Whoopi Goldberg Loose Women
What's the matter? Threatened by a black woman with a voice? LOL
WARF
Guinan did make him laugh when she introduced him to prune juice, and was talking to him about if he'd ever consider having a relationship with a non klingon woman.
Some of them find you....tame. Worf: (Laughs)
@@tobiaswalker7562 He was merely concerned with the...safety...of his crewmates.
I love how she isn't even trying and hitting every target.
She has glimpse of the future.
I know right, do you reckon it was scripted that way though?
Bitch be noscoping.
Like she said, she's been doing that a bit longer than him.
She's older than most of his bloodline. If she's spent even a fraction of that time working on her aim and reaction time... yikes!
This is one of TNG’s best scenes! So many perfect elements! A game whose rules are obvious to a television viewer. Continuing Guinan’s character arc of being dangerous with weapons (also seen in “Night Terrors” and “I, Borg.”) Callback to Worf’s past that describes Worf’s present- though his own kid! And Whoopi Goldberg, a guest star who literally just asked for a role after Denise Crosby departed- through her friend Levar Burton.
"Guinan and Worf...at Tanagra"
Reiyne when the walls fell.
@Commander Shepard Temba...at rest!!! ✌☮ lol
one of my absolute favourite episodes, and quotes to match!
Nice one
I love how geeky Star Trek fans are (me included!)
I love how she so purposefully *uses* that line "I guess I could come *down* to that level" just to demurely and elfishly prod him into a specific emotional space. She gives him a chance right there to take whatever tone he wants for the interaction, and he reacts defensively out of his sense of obligation to "stay true" to his perception of Klingon ideals, thereby walking of his own volition into the lesson in front of him. This is probably a good chunk of why Guinan consistently came off as ancient and superintelligent. Playing qualities like that as an actor can be uncompromisingly tricky and this is just such a solid iteration of that trope. I am always troubled by the minstrel-show-adjacent qualities of this kind of character, but it remains resoundingly true that this is an impeccable execution. Star Trek remains one of the strongest forces in contemporary cultural history pushing that particular envelope forward to this day.
I always wanted to know if Guinan and Dax ever met each other. Considering the hundreds of years that they've lived, their conversations would be quite intriguing.
She is much older than that lol
Hah, never thought of that. Good point!
damn, now i really want to see something like that.
she could call Dax "young man" and get away with it.
she should hang with Lorien from Babylon 5
Probably not, it's a big galaxy after all
I always love Guinan. She was such a cool character.
Guinan. The most-underused character on the show - seriously, why wasn't she used more?! She's fantastic!
Goldberg is expensive, also it gives Guinan an air of mystery if she's only shown occasionally.
@Aric Dilbeck it true that her appearances were limited because of money and the fact she was doing other movies.
I think it's the point of the character.
Whoopi was at the height of her fame at this time, just having her available was a blessing.
You answered your onw question the next generation knew that over use of a good character would make them seem cheep so her lack of appearance makes all her showings seem better
Worf: "Klingons do not laugh."
Me: "Tell that to Riker."
Guinan: Don't feel bad, I was doing this long before you were born.!"
Yeah, like several hundred years, at a minimum.
Did Worf really expect her to believe that "Klingons don't laugh"? Every night is like a feast of singing, fighting, drinking, and telling stories with them. It would be weird if a Klingon managed to go a single day without laughing.
he was not raised among Klingons, plus he tells Jadzia that he has held back everything since he accidentally killed a boy in a soccer match just by doing a regular challenge.
as soon as Worf starts hanging out with Klingons in DS9 his humor returns
Damn they need to send Guinan on more away missions.
HAHA, or sign her up for more security detail.
Devin Drew More security, send more security, fuck it. SEND GUINAN!
P.s. Sry for the necro
I really laughed out loud at that.
Just land her on Cronos and come back in a month or so and annex it to the Federation
They should make her an ambassador. She'd probably have the entire Quadrant signing peace talks before her first coffee break.
“Klingons do NOT laugh!”
“I’ve heard Klingon belly laughs that can curl your hair!”
Then worf kills gowron years later after he let out a huge belly laugh lol
Sir, we need a sharpshooter.
Ensign, don't worry. I know a bartender.
I just realized today, after so many years since the show's first airing, that the target spheres match the color on which the shooters are standing: Guinan on yellow and Worf on blue.
Guinan is a mystery. She appears simple, her people were scattered across the universe by the Borg, yet can threaten and contend with the all powerful "Q". I wish we knew more about her species.
Maybe they'll finally reveal something in the 2nd season of 'Star Trek: Picard' .... YAY.
Keep in mind the Q Collective apparently have a standing policy of not antagonizing the Borg that our Q didn't even _bend_ without good reason.
I never understood how the Borg could have decimated her people if they could scare Q.
@@DennisKovacich I got the sens that while her people may have some ability to defend against Q or perhaps just prevent a Q's power's from working on them, unknown for sure, but that their power is far more limited than Q's. When the enterprise C came though a rift and time was altered Guinan wasn't immune to the change, just partially resistant to the extent that she knew something was wrong with the situation.
@@DennisKovacich I think Q wasn't actually scared of her, rather he finds her to be an annoyance for some reason. If the Borg could wipe out her species, he could blink her out of existence, but that would both kill any future relationship with Piccard as well as probably get him into trouble with the other Q.
Guinan is like Whis. Stronger than everyone and nonchalant about it. She had Q a little bit shook!
That was one of TNG's best episodes, IMHO. Watching Q and Guinan discuss each other while Picard is left in the lurch to watch. It gave both Q and Guinan a special depth and extra layer of mystery.
@godspeed That is an excellent observation.
@@christopherstory514 I really wish they delved deeper into Guinan's people encountering the Q continuum.
yes she is wise, she would have experienced and learned many things in her many years.
Guinan has tons of abilities, but compared to Q she is an amoeba. The Borg destroyed her entire race. Q can wipe the Borg out of existence with a mere thought.
Guinan apperiantly uses AIMBOT!
ha
@Wojtek Michał agreed
Maybe she invented it?
The answer is at 1:40
@2:03....."No it won't, but at some point he's going to want to know what its like to really be a Klingon" pauses
"Just as you're learning now!" Another great Guinan moment,
highlighting to Worf his inexperience around his own people. Worf knows
everything pretty much from second hand sources, but has never been or
lived with Klingons. It was only then, at that point, as Guinan
mentioned he himself was beginning to learn what BEING a Klingon really
meant!
Interesting!....That's what they should make a Star Trek movie about....Guinan!
David F Exactly
I don't know if you could really have a movie focused on her and still have it be her. Think about it she is the barkeep that has words of wisdom for the crew. How much can you really do with the character without changing her significantly.
Maybe a book...
@@olstar18 You raise a fair point!
And Worf would continue to struggle with laughter until he finally meets Jadzia. And even then, they quarrel over being serious.
Then there was Ezri the last minute replacement Dax. He got her pretty good during the end of the season ending the joke with the line "And Jadzia said I don't have a sense of humor"
Worf:
I have a sense of humor. On the Enterprise, I was considered to be quite amusing.
Jadzia Dax:
That must've been one dull ship.
Worf:
That is a joke. I get it. It is not funny, but I get it.
What Guinan said about Alexander comes true in DS9 as well.
This was Worf's Shakespeare hair period.
I remember watching Encounter at Farpoint and the scene where Worf says from the back of the bridge, "Shields and deflectors up, sir." I thought to myself, yeah okay. The token Klingon to show that times have moved on from the original series.
How wrong I was. What a character he became!
A lot modern writers could learn from this scene. If this was modern Trek we would know nothing about Guinan, she would just show up tell Warf how to be Klingon and stomp him at target practice. But this works better because she isn't telling how to be Klingon mearly giving him examples to refute what he thinks it means and her proficiency at target practice is believable because as she said "I've been doing this before you where born."
All of it made sense because of what we have been allowed to know from her in previous episodes and it makes the scene flow easily and naturally. Hopefully modern writers will pick up on it soon.
Maybe it is a lack of passing down the skills from writers of yesterday, perhaps it's an innate failing of writers today. I hope you're right because modern Trek sucks because of exactly what you describe.
Also compare her to modern Guinan in Picard. This amazing character with wit and humor and wisdom is basically the token character to remind us racism exists...that's almost the entire purpose she serves, just to complain
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Guinan for president.
+TheErilaz no thanks, we had enough with one of them as president.
+41Djfu#lksdkjfd Okay that is messed up. Most black folks do not even like Obama.
+41Djfu#lksdkjfd I didn't know that we had an El-Aurian as President?
+Metalman200xdamnit Unfortunately that isn't true. Blacks voted overwhelmingly for Obama both times. I have respect for any black person that manages to see the sham of liberalism and leave the Democratic plantation, but they're far too few.
D. P. Robertz
The first time yes. Yes they did vote for him and the second time,he just had a wider array of dimwits vote for him.
1:42: Love that little amused grunt. Not even Worf in full bad temper mode can stay angry at Guinan.
She was kind to say she had many more years of practice than him. That statement diffused any frustration he had over the practice.
I swear there is not a single bad Guinan moment in all of next gen
Not until Star Trek Generations where her character was utterly useless.
The episode where they tried to make her seem like an equal to Q was a pretty cringe moment...
LOL! They were forced to use another black actress, moron.
Whoopie is an amazing actress, who wanted to continue the strong female black characters in the start trek universe after Nichelle Nicoles. Although a Secondary character she still had a lot of weight and impact on the series ( if you watch it properly), the character was never fully covered which lead to her mystery. They weren't forced to use "another black actress" Tom Siezemore they created the role for her.
Sort of not really. That would be if she made everyone else useless to the story because of her power, but the only thing that's really special about her is that she's ancient and hasn't physically aged. She likely knows some pretty esoteric knowledge because she's a survivor of a species consumed by the Borg and immediately recognizes Q despite the fact that he was using a form he only relatively recently created for interacting with the humans, but it's rarely applicable on a tactical level.
Neelix, quark, and guinan open a bar together. Definitely be interesting.
Guinan wouldn't _stand_ Quark.
@@Idazmi7 Quark is....odd, for a ferengi. She might help develop his character more if she dealt with him on a regular basis.
@@Rikimaru0523
I can guarantee they'd hate each other. I can see Guinan deliberately messing up one of his scam sales just on principle.
@@Idazmi7 But Guinan would probably have the wisdom and patience to help Quark become a better individual over time. Quark is still a decent person deep inside and I believe Guinan will be able to see that :3
@@Mutterschwein
Perhaps... but I still can't see them opening a bar together, and they'd still get on each other's nerves constantly.
She's totally flagging Worf with that phaser.
I agree, no muzzle control, she is sweeping him repeatedly with live weapon!
Holodeck safety protocols probably engaged.
Also.. "No one can fire an unauthorized phaser aboard a starship." Irrelevant but still....
LOL that's the first thing I noticed
A phaser set to minimum stun wouldn't even tickle a Klingon
@@airborne11b50 might even be that they don’t even shoot, just flash the target akin to laser tag
I love how Guinan always has good advice for any situation. It makes sense because of how long she has been alive.
A lot of people also sneered at Picard for having so much trouble fighting Soren in "Generations". But you have to remember that El-Auriens live a *lot* longer than humans and consequently have more time to become skilled at various things. Even Worf was less embarrassed when she pointed that out to him. Also, he *is* rather stuffy by Klingon standards.
He died on the bridge though. {{snicker}}
Your first drink is on me for that one-!
Shrouded in mystery, hundreds of years old, or more, in some way considered dangerous and frightening even to the Q, only appears when she can be helpful, and always conveys her message in a way deeper and more lasting than words could...
Would have laughed if Guinan was able to hit a target without even looking. Just to see Worf's reaction to how outclassed he is when it comes to shooting a phaser.
My uncle introduced me to this series. I thank him every day for that. Star Trek truly was the hope of what humanity could become. And Guinan was always there to prove that we're going to stumble with every step getting there.
I'm no gun expert, but one website that seemed to know what it talking about claimed that even some of the best shooters achieve 50% accuracy when under stress, which Word here clearly demonstrated (out of 6 shots, only 3 landed, during an high level test).
This means Worf is actually a good shot, just that Guinan is Guinan, pushing his buttons.
Counselor Guinan doing what she does best.
“Perhaps it says that I do not feel like other klingons!” The story of my life
“I guess I could come down to that level for a while.”
I love her little jab at Worf.
Worf looks like my cat following the laser pointer
she didn't make him laugh, but at the end, she did put a smile on his face...
Never underestimate Guinan. ;)
Even Q fears Guinan, haha!
@@Admiral8Q Yeah too bad they never revisited that.
@@magicmulder Q was probably like, "Uh, I better stay away from her." XD
Love and miss this show. RIP real Star Trek :(
I love Guinan's reply to Worf's level.
"I guess I could come down to that level for a while."
Q: I am an all-powerful being.
Guinan: Don’t make me hurt you.
@@magicmulder Guinan did not have anywhere near that kind of power, just a higher level of awareness that allowed her and the rest of her kind to see/feel the various possible outcomes of reality, and it was stated in TNG that's her species in the Q have come into contact with each other before.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 I know. Still it was a curious scene when Q and Guinan met. Q acted like he couldn't just snap her out of existence, and Guínan acted like she could actually protect herself against him.
My personal theory is that they're something like old friends/rivals in a love-hate relationship and that scene was just the way they jest among themselves.
@@magicmulder true it was a curious scene, oddly enough John de Lancie said the same thing when he was asked about Q's relationship with her.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 Maybe a setup for something that never materialized.
Those phasers are an ergonomic nightmare in every conceivable respect.
Rodenberry insisted they couldn't look like pistols, because that would be violent, and Star Fleet is a pacifist organisation, if you ignore all the weapons they have and killing that they do.
Security Chief vs Bartender in Target Practice, surprisingly, the bartender wins .
Cheech Marin "nobody shoots the bartender!"
I'd have love to see them each do that with a phaser in each hand. lol
This is the blueprint for every modern action movie. “I am a bartender but also happen to be a 700 years old Space Marine with a major in Transwarp mathematics”.
Not surprising at all....It's a good example of a propaganda ploy....The petite but empowered black woman defeating a large hyper-masculine stereotype....The girls in the audience eat this stuff up...And remember the advertisers on the show.
Because someday those girls grow up, buy things and vote Socialist Democrat. (Because Whoopie Goldberg does)
@@guitardzan5641 Dude, you got some massive projection issues.
I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father
I aim with my heart.
This is a pretty great scene. It's obvious that Worf misses shots while Guidan hits all hers, but that shows more than just target practice. Pay attention to the conversation and where they're at- the pacing of shots increases, and Guidan takes more shots while Worf rushes and misses more. The missed shots parallel Worf and how he lies to himself about being a Klingon, or lack of, among other things, including his son. Meanwhile, Guidan, in her ancient wisdom, lands her shots as she sees clearly what's going on in Worf's situation. And finally, this scene predicted Alexander in DS9, who did want to become a Klingon warrior after all, foreshadowing a future father-son story.
"Why don't you laugh?"
"I AM NOT A MERRY MAN!!!"
Totally read the title as, "Guinan and Worf at Target"... thought they were going to do some shopping.... lol
I know it’s a fictional situation, but man.., I‘d love to see more people with that kind of empathy and wisdom out there today. And yes, I do miss the Trek of that time. It was so much more enjoyable.
"Klingons do not laugh."
Bro have you even met another Klingon before
Guinan was such a good character.
Guinan was so wise on the show. I really hope that in the new piccard series they bring her back.
Goku Son I do too. Do you think they spoke before Picard resigned? Can’t wait to see the back story.
Whoopi Goldberg accepted a very gracious invitation from Patrick Stewart and the executive producers of Picard to reprise her role in Season 2. I'm super excited but not as excited as Whoopi.
That lady is one of the finest, most human actors we've ever had....period
0:25.
WOAH
WE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE!
It's great how all this came full circle in ds9 with Alexander wanting to be a true soldier and join a klingon house and worf laughing so hard at the end of an episode it cuts to the outside of the station. Him finding his best friend from his own race in martok.
Probably my favourite Guinean scene of all!
Mine is Yesterday's Enterprise with Picard...💜
I love Guinan. I love her. Some of the best scenes in the entire franchise.
I could come down to that level the look on Worf Funny ! : )
I love the way she says "Begin program", like she already knows she is going to win but she'll indulge him.
Klingons laugh, ive seen them do it
Oh, Klingons laugh plenty. It's just that Worf doesn't laugh. :)
Usually they laugh when their enemies die...
Worf's got a Bat'leth shoved up where the sun don't shine.
Jareth The Goblin King The Klingons hold a 3 Stooges All Curly Marathon once a month but don't tell anybody I told you.
Martok to Worf: and they say you have no sense of humor...
Apparently even Klingons thought worf was lacking humor. They probably blame it on him being with humans.
Michael Dorn is such a criminally underrated actor.
It is perfectly obvious that she does not handle weapons. A number of times while talking, she had the emitter crystal aimed right at Worf. It's also obvious that he has spent very little time around weapons as having a weapon pointed directly at him did not "phase" him a bit....
Guinan's wisdom really does show through in this scene.
However, it's still crazy that Star Fleet would bring children and families onto ships like this!
Whoopi Goldberg (her real name's Carol Johnson) took that role because she's a HUGE treky and she asked them if she could be on the show.
Guinan: "I could come down to that level for a while."
Worf: "Wat."
Magnus Carlsen: My ELO rating is 2900.
Guinan: I’ll try to play slowly, don’t worry.
guinan sure is a good shot.
Living for 700 years sure have it's benefits.
@Blue Skeptic I had her pegged at at least 1000 years old. She was 500 in the 19th Century, waited another 500 years to properly meet Picard.
She'd have to be at least 1000, which for El-Aurians isn't that old. Soran was 800
That head snap when Guinan said she could come down to level 14 for a while....LOL
Kinda weird how Whoopi Goldberg plays one of my favorite characters in my favorite tv show.
It helps when she's speaking words someone else wrote
Makes more sense when you know that Whoopi was inspired to get into acting by watching Nichelle Nichols play Lt. Uhura.
in the 90s, she was a world-renowned actor
He literally does a belly laugh with Guinan in the cold open of Yesterday’s Enterprise.
All I can see is that Guinan is pointing the phaser right at Worfs head
I agree, no muzzle control, she is sweeping him repeatedly with live weapon!
I love the fact that Worf is at the brink of laughing after Guinan has bestowed him with a final double edged statement.
Savage Guinan is savage. :D
^ Redundant statement.
I've seen 3-4 clips from various years/shows in the past couple of days, and all I can think about is how the shape/size of his head keeps changing.
This scene had me laughing non stop! Guinan is the best!
Guinan; the REAL ships counselor and advisor to all.
Having not seen enough Star Trek, i assume the point of the program is to shoot your target color WHEN its your color? Great scene to be sure.
When it shifts to your color, but before it shifts back. Accuracy, target identification, and reaction time.
@@tanall5959 Which would all be very important in the confines of a starship.
a good bartender always has good advice and a good shotgun under the bar
The 2 best characters of the series
Uh, Data? Come on, now LOL I think you meant to say 3 but i'm happy to correct you ;)
When I first saw the title, "Practice" was on the second line. So I thought it said "Guinan and Worf at Target." Now THAT would be worth watching!😄
How do they even aim with those things?
I imagine you learn, just like with any gun. I had a toy one as a kid, and it has two panels on the top. They (and the small space between them) could function almost like iron sights.
They don’t. The red line is drawn in later by special effects technicians. Whether or not they hit the target is based on the script. 🤪
@@DennisKovacich otherwise its point weapon in close direction of target, let computerized aim system make finite beem trajectory adjustments. Kind of like when you aim a pistol without 'aiming' (looking down the sights). How do people do that. Also known as firing from the hip. Keep in mind the hand phaser is intended as a short range ship board defense weapon, so its ideal engagement range is relatively short. I have not seen many instances where we see people intentionally and specifically aiming down the iron sights of pistols during fire fights. Usually if a character is actually aiming his pistol with the sights, their on a firing range or their going for a very specific shot.
Jagar Tharn, my biggest complaint about the Next Generation episode, “Aquiel,” was when Geordi realized that her dog was the biomimetic creature they were looking for, and he had to shoot it before it attacked him. If you watch closely when he fires the phaser, adjusting his aim while firing, you’ll see the beam changing angles as it goes out, staying in a straight line like a light saber. If you move a phaser while firing it, anything that’s already left it should continue in a straight line, and not be moved because you’re moving the phaser.
Very good moment, granted I love a lot of Guinan's moments, but this is pretty awesome, and it's fun to see Worf owned, even though I love the guy.
Guinan is using V.A.T.S.
She really is a brilliant character
I wish Guinan was my grandma.
"Don't feel bad. I've been doing this long before you were born". Awesome.
They cut almost this entire scene when showing this episode on BBC America.
BBC America is starting to really suck, I realize.
Do they show adverts on BBC America? If they do, that might be why. It's like when they show repeats of Top Gear on Dave in the UK, they have to chop a good ten minutes out of every episode to make them fit.
leopold the show originally had adverts.
Chandler that doesn't necessarily mean they have the same number of advertisements.
@@s.w.chandler6082 the advertising on BBC America are longer so they cut scenes
This program never missed an opportunity to dump on Worf.
Klingons don't laugh. Dude, c'mon buddy, have you even met a Klingon?
Only very serious ones when he was a little boy.
he spent time with his cousins in the House of Mogh but yes he had not really met an adult Klingon as an adult until Kheylar.
That one Risa episode on Deep Space Nine Really puts this moment into perspective