Honestly the biggest issue I have is how terrible the SBMM is. One minute I’m fighting people who need to be told which end of the gun to point at the enemy and the next I’m fighting a good boy full TSD galley
We sunk a galley last night and then sold at reapers as we were leaving it finally spawned another galley and then two sloops came in at the same time and it was 3v1. We almost made it lol
Instead of Arena-style set resources, I would give the option to reclaim the resources from your sunk ship at either the shipwright or another stand. This means resources such as cursed cannonballs don't need to be locked out of the mode, and regular adventure supplying is still valuable. You might question the possibility of boarders taking your resources, to which I respond that that'd still be a problem if you won the fight and didn't have to rebuy in the first place.
They can make it where we all get same supplies but in the battle of the battle arena thing, there is a ship like the one in arena and in that ship there is a bunch of good supps such as wraith balls, pineapples, cursed cannon balls etc, that will encourage hand to hand combat and also make us enjoy all elements of this game, as we can fight with cursed balls, wraith balls etc while having fair fights that are fully determined on skill and not on amount of resources you have.
how about flip that... when you get sunk.. the winning team still has 5 min to raid the sinking ship of supplies as it continues to go to Davy Jones Locker...
I agree that it's best if supply barrels floated upwards along with the loot, maybe have them hold only a fraction of their contents while the ship was afloat, but the solution (the concept) to the supply issue is basically already in the game and it's been there since day 1.
I think the best way is that when you sink you keep your supplies except you lose 25% from every barrel. In which that 25% floats to the surface for the opponent to scoop up and collect. That way people don’t lose a tonne of supps on a win or loss style mode but the victor still gets a slice of cake with the 25% from you ship.
They need to have something like War Thunder has in their matchmaking where you can see how many people there are in the queue as well. If you can visually see that you are the only one in the queue, you can leave and gather more supplies. It also helps to show you if you are about to enter a fight.
War thunder is able to handle so many moving objects, bullets, tanks, planes, environment and runs smoothly. But SoT has lag spikes, hit reg, can't handle 2 ships.
I really enjoy this update as a solo slooper, but the first time i had queued as a duo sloop with my buddy and we were put against people *significantly* better than us 3 times in a row. I appreciate that rare thinks that we are that good but it sure was a rough few fights
the mmr system has just been implemented, there is no way to determine the skill of a player if they never participated in the system. Give it some time, playing matches as well, and it will regulate itself.
The supply issue is absolutely stopping me from playing more. I want to do matchmaking, but having to supply up for an hour beforehand, only to sink in one or two fights, is really killing the experience. I spend more time re-supplying than I do fighting. That's a problem.
I feel I should add that the way blunderbombs behave when you fire them out of cannons is actually pretty counter-intuitive. For firebombs and pirates, the cannon essentially just lets you throw them further. But, for blunderbombs, it changes the radius, the knockback, the damage... Why?
This is how I feel about it. Should definitely still be able to shoot them out of cannons, should not turn into the damn horn from Mario kart mid flight tho
I don't know man, I tried to think about it myself from some science perspective. Maybe the Blunderbomb is constructed such that it is a two reactant explosive, that when a divider inside is shattered (similar to the construction of the firebomb, as it appears to have a flame encased in some sort of flammable fluid), it explodes and the pellets inside damage pirates and ships as shrapnel. Perhaps the higher velocity of a cannon firing it out causes the Blunderbomb to explode more violently due to faster shattering of the internal core that separates the two reactants and mixing them quicker, effectively creating a better high explosive, therefore throwing shrapnel harder (higher damage), and increasing the TNT equivalent mass inside causing the shockwave to be more powerful, increasing knockback and increasing the effective radius. That would probably explain all three of those, but it's a video game, so logic doesn't really apply.
its a thing about skill you can knock a ship out of cannon range for you giving you some breathing room and it makes seance the range is increased because its getting shot out of a cannon the bomb is going to be moving quicker
@@commandertaboo7734 Oh I fully get that, but it quite literally cripples the galleon right off the bat. By knocking the galleon off course so easily it just turns it into a slaughter. The galleon turns way to slow in response, leading to an instant death if the enemy team is even decently good at the game.
My biggest issue is a small one: If you get sunk because you left the barrier, you get no rep at all. This means that if someone boards you and camps you enough (especially if you're solo) they can just drive you out of bounds and you get nothing for it. They get no extra benefits for doing this, it just takes away your reward, which feels kind of unfair to me, since I'm mostly a solo player (and I'm not very good at it either)
tbh I think the easiest way of fixing this is by simply doing a check to see if the out of bounds ship's players are on the Ferry of the Damned or not. Obviously if they gave rewards for going out of bounds people would just queue and then run away, but the "board, camp, drive out of bounds" strat _IS_ a viable one especially in solo PVP, so having a way of making it clear that was done as the other crew's _win condition_ rather than you running way would be a really nice addition.
@@DuskEalain That would not work in some cases were the player owning the out of bounds' ship respawn at it, or can't reach the helm in time. And since other crews can join the battle they could drive out of bounds the enemy ship if they please, so checking for the position of every player involved in the conflict would not result in a situation easily solvable. The best way to counter this is to defend your ship from boarders. There are multiple ways of winning a match, so you will not lose every single time to this strat.
as someone who gets dumpstered just as often as i win, i don't think rewards should be given to the losing crew at all in the first place. farming losses for levels is boring for everybody involved imo
@@marklittle300 I do think farming for losses is something that shouldn't be possible. But taking the time to get supplies, find and opponent and fight just to get sunk and get *absolutely nothing* for it isn't fun either. Which is why i like that you're at least given a little sliver of rep when you lose currently
Best way to fix the supplies issue is to make the cannonball barrel of the enemy's ship part of the flotsam that floats up after you defeat it. Regardless of the enemies supplies, there should be a bare minimun of at least 150 cannonballs and 25 or so coconuts +30 planks 2 get u ready for the next fight (varies depending on ship size). Only requirement is to have a storage crate 2 gather resources quickly.
I think the only solution for alliance servers is for some kind of detection. If multiple flagged allied crews are together in one server, they all get invaded at the same time, or not at all.
Would also be funny to allow alliance invading. Would certainly have extremely terrible waiting times, but seeing a toxic alliance server going up against another toxic alliance server would be downright hilarious.
They don't need to fix the issue completely, they just need to make it frustratingly difficult. If they added a random cooldown between 1-2 minutes between crews joining a cold server, it would completely FUCK their ability to spike servers, and would have to recruit ships to the alliance the old fashioned way. They would still be able to hold on to the alliance once they got it though, but then all you need to do is make sure EVERY SoT server reboots at least once every 24h for maintenance , and merges people away forcibly, alliances be damned. These 2 things combined would make operating an alliance fleet tedious and not fun to the point that no one would volunteer their time to setting them up. Meaning the only alliance fleets left would be people who have automated/scripted the whole thing, and therefore seriously violating the xbox live ToS, meaning you could legitimately ban them.
Blunderbombs also deal Emotional Damage. I still would like them out of Cannons, since its crucial for changing enemy ship direction, but the damage done to players / knockback should be sorted + the amount of how many you can get from shipwright, outposts and all usual sources
I definitely agree that something needs to change with supplies, so far my experience has been getting a couple wins, sinking, and then just getting off because I don't want to deal with spending another hour restocking. I don't want to spend half my time gathering supplies, I want to be fighting people and getting better at combat, I want an option for zero stakes combat rather than all my supplies being on the line
@@monty1turbo nah bro, the supply system is awful, you cant just PVP whenever you want to, its not as good as arena where you spawn with X amount of supplies and have a quick fair fight, then spawn again with X amount of supplies. they should make it where y'all spawn in pvp with same supplies. Because at the moment we all are server hopin for supplies, and many rage quit inculding me due to losing supplies, and that affects the matchamaking.
Going to 1 sea fort: As long as it hasn't been recently invaded, instant 75 pomegranates (along with a zillion other things), 150 cannonballs, and 30 planks. Planks can of course be bought from both a merchant and a shipwright to supplement, however.
The long wait times are killing this season for me. Tried to get my friends back on the game after a long time of them being away(about a year and a half) we stocked up the boat and queued up. never got a fight tho waiting over 20 minutes they got on something else. dont imagine ill be able to get them to try again
I think the whole alliance server issue isn't too big of a deal personally. I can fully understand how its annoying but I think it adds an interesting aspect to it. I do disagree with the whole 2 galleons and 1 sloop waiting for an enemy sloop to rise up, but as for it being two galleons vs one galleon then that sounds kinda cool. That said I 100% understand and agree that it can ruin a good streak, I personally wish there was a way to "Dive together" and do a 2v2 or even a 3v3 fight. Fleet vs Fleet in a way.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness Yea I understand your point fully. With that said I don't agree with it being a sloop vs two galleons, but a galleon vs two galleons. Still unfair sure, but it isn't as scummy in my opinion and can make for an interesting fight in some cases. I personally wish there was a way to "Dive together" still and have a fleet vs a fleet in a team deathmatch.
that being said, if I can spike two ships into a server with a couple of friends, I don't really think that should be against the rules at all... is it cheep? yes. Will it mean that I then have to fight better and better crews till I end up going against players who *can* take on a two ship alliance? yes. that's why I don't see doing it at all as a bad thing; just maybe keep it to a maximum of two ships in an alliance. No risk, no reward
@@astrorialunaris Cheep? In a game where no one bats an eye at experienced player sinking unmanned ships of PVE players, or preying on newcomers, all this "its not Sea of Friends", camping out at outposts to jump players and steal loot - is that the same game you want to talk about being cheap?
I think preserving resources when you are sinking would actually be better for gameplay loop. There is a thing related to capitancy. If you sink in this pvp mode, there is no need to pay for repairing your ship for next game. It might be a solution for supplies. If you sink in pvp, you maintain your resources. Winner should not worry about you, since the one who lost is already merged to other server. And, you can just simply jump into next fight without loosing time. I had to stop playing only because I did not want to spent next 1-2 hours farming sea forts for food and cannonballs. As for other issues, I cannot think of anything better than that what was already proposed in other comments.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. I'm not exactly a good player and when I sink it takes around 15 minutes (maybe more) just to get back to a decent amount of supplies. And the fact that I have to waste my gold on supply crates only to sink with it all. Some days I even spend more time supplying and matchmaking than actually fighting
My thoughts as well. Reward people for gathering supplies but don’t punish them when they sink (in an hour glass battle) The lost allegiance is enough of a punishment. Having to restock every time makes me just wanna stop playing
I think there should be a time limit for the fights like 30 Min max and the circle stars to shrink every 5 minutes antill its completly gone. the blunderbombs spam and the waiting is annoying but the runners really ruin the expierence for me and my crew.
The worst thing that can happen to you happened to me like 4 times by now. You wait in the tunnel for so long... Finally find a match and get excited... Only to realise that there are 3 ships waiting for you. Losing streaks to them feels horrible to be honest. Even the power of the OST can't make me sink a fleet lol.
I was thinking it would be neat to have a shroud around the battle zone so the ships outside of it are unaware of what lies inside it. Also, it would help to know when you are about to go out.
Admittedly i’d be fine if blunder and firebombs were kept to throwables as they are in glass containers. That being said, i’d then want to see something like a grapeshot that is the equivalent of flintlock rounds impacting a ship. Does the small form of hull damage, but can be devastating to a crew. To counter this versatility they could have a literal “falloff” when firing, with the further range taking away more of its accuracy. Would encourage close broadsides, better chances for boarding, and focus on whether you go to try to cripple the enemy crew with the grapeshot or fire upon the ship’s segments to leave them dead in the water.
Before I go into this I should mention I exclusively play sloop and mostly play solo. I also play on Xbox servers. I would have to disagree with just about everything you said, except for the alliance server stuff and matchmaking. For starters yes, we survived for two years without blunderbombs. We also survived for months or years without dynamic ship damage, harpoons, cursed cannonballs, chain shots, and firebombs. However, all of these additions made ship combat more in depth and fun. Blundeebombs just add one more layer of strategy. There may need to be a change, but not letting you fire them is not it. It sets back the evolution of pvp years and takes away depth and strategy, which is never a good thing. I don’t really think a lack of supplies is much of a problem. Sure, if you do your stocking before you set sail, and then you sink, that sucks. You can however stock up a little before every fight instead of once at the beginning of the session. Also, giving you free supplies in your barrels ruins the immersion and seamlessness into adventure that makes this update so great. An easy fix would just be barrels that float up when you win that have supplies in them. If you lose just by supplies from the outpost for one battle. I play sloop, and I don’t see running as a huge problem. You can’t run forever, eventually you have to turn. The solution, as much as I hate to say it, is just get good. When a ship turns you have a multitude of opportunities to immobilize them or board. Running shouldn’t be an issue, as long as you just have patience. Great video and great channel. I’m subbed and love the content, but I really disagree on this one. P.S. - please respond because this took forever to write.
As a sloop player, my biggest issue with this system is battle times. While a few can be short 5-10 minute fights, the majority of my battles have been long range supply wars that drag on for over an hour, with the winner typically having more wood. They need to change the radius of the circle, or at least shrink the circle every 10 minutes to ensure running for extended periods of time is not rewarded. Overall though, this season has been awesome.
Yeah fr I’m tryna get the curses fast so I non stop use the war map but every battle on a solo sloop takes around 3-5 business days to complete. Like tbh I’d be happier if I lost fast then if I won after a really long supply war like you said. Because if I lost fast I could just be like “alright then on to the next one.”
I board, and while they are re spawning after I kill them I empty cannon balls and wood into a supply crate and drop it overboard. If you have a team on ship they xan retrieve with the harpoon. But, that's how I win against that play.
Update is literally amazing, I only have one issue with it though, and it kind of ruins the whole experience for me. Solo sloop battles are INSANELY boring. This update has made me really want to hop on and play, I love getting matched up against other solos instead of bigger crews, but oh my god the fights take ages. I'm not sure what could be done to change this, if anything, but it really counters everything good about this update. I'm finally excited to play again and I can't be bothered because I know it will end up being a slog
if they make more ways to board, and added a keg that couldnt be removed from ship and could only be turned on by igniting it, then the solo sloop experience will be faster and more fun.
You know real naval battles used to last for hours right? Tactical combat where you both repair and come back is what sea fighting is about. You expect it to be over in 5 minutes but also want a challenge?
In Sea of Thieves the setup of the ships has to change. The sloop, i.e. the one-master, should ONLY be intended for one player and not for two. The two-master should be for two to three players, and the three-master for three to four players. This is the most important change they need to bring in because as a solo player you are ALWAYS at a disadvantage especially in PvP elements. Four hands can always act faster than two. So one shoots, the other steers or repairs, or boards your ship. The Sloop should therefore be a single player ship because of the advantages this ship brings and the disadvantages of not having a crew. But we're talking about a game company that certainly doesn't pride itself on designing a game for single players. I've got several hours behind me now, and the more I PvP in SoT, the more I'm bothered by the fact that I've been crushed by a two-man sloop again. I love PvP in games because you can always get an advantage with better moves. But in SoT, that's where the problem lies. If it's a one vs one then it's fair and equal and everyone has equal odds and the better one wins. A one vs two but on the same ship type always puts you at a disadvantage. Sure, if you win against two players, then you have a bigger win. But that's exactly where the problem lies: you go into the fight with a negative account from the start. The fact that a game manufacturer can't see something like that, or doesn't want to, shows how incompetent Rare is.
Honestly, as much as it sounds like copium, they should remove the ability to spawn camp in matchmaking. With the unreliability of the game matching you with players of the same skill level, you can go into a battle with 0 wins and 5 losses and end up fighting a crew of absolutely insane doublee gunners who do nothing but board and stop you from being able to break the spawn camp.
I’ve done alliance in PvP but legit because I royally suck at PvP. You don’t learn anything when you sink in 5 seconds, as I often do. Even allying, I do not possess a faction level higher than 3. Furthermore, I enjoy Sea of Thieves but there’s an IMMENSE anxiety when I am approached by other players. Frequently they are highly aggressive players who seem to find no joy in life other than ruining someone else’s. Often with astounding toxicity win or lose. I want to be capable enough that when a ship attacks me, I feel a reasonable confidence I might win and this not panic. As mentioned before, I am frequently sunk within seconds of combat. PvP as it stands ruins the game for me, and considering there’s way more non PvP content than PvP, I feel justified. However, it’s a fact that betrayal and attacks are part of the nature of the beast so I need to adapt. Season 8 has been great in getting most of the worst offenders off the server and killing each other, but it also offers up a chance for me to shore up my weaknesses against PvP and to be able to engage with the game as it is as a fully enjoyable experience. To that end, learning to improve my skills through the use of alliances is one I will take without shame. I look forward to a time when I will no longer need them.
With the blunder bomb issue, I always advocate for addition over subtraction - especially when the subtraction is based on an edge case; the alternative I'd suggest is to add a crouch or brace action that mitigates the effect of knockbacks. It still gives power to the blunder bomb, and requires some skill to notice one has been fired at you. Overall I think the ability to crouch would also 'improve' the game in other areas and allow for more sneaking and pvp jukes in general.
I really miss the frequency of cosmetics from year 1 sea of thieves the servants should have more stuff like a full reaper weapon and tool set and the burning blade ship set with the servant of flame jacket as a reward because I want it
The reaper tool set is in the emporium (unfortunately) and the reaper weapon set is found inside the emissary rewards for the reapers bones at the end of each month. So they are there, just not very obvious
@@knyt0 OH NO! NOT 17K!!!! OMG! please... A lot of time? 10m max. 1 sea fort and one regular fort. It could not be bloody easier, just admit you are lazy
The problem I see is not that people are essentially lazy, its just that spending time and gathering a lot of supplies and getting sunk just to lose all that is pretty demoralizing. And it can be a little bit of a pain sometimes as rare keeps track of the things you buy on outposts so for example, I buy a storage create, cannon etc and sail off, gather loot at a fort and then start the hourglass and dive to find a match. Even though Win/Lose puts you in another server, if its at the exact same outpost that you got earlier, it still locks you out of buying those supplies for awhile, so you go sail to another. Can be quite demoralizing having to drag throughout something again and again and sometimes people just don't have that time to spare
What I would like to get changed is o you could keep sunk enemy ships flags when diving. When trying to matchmake back to back, I always end up dropping grade 5 flags to save up time instead of going to Reaper’s or an outpost depending on the faction. It is a lot of gold and commendations that I waste just to be quick. Adding up to he supply solutions the other ones said, it would be cool that instead of spawning on a random island after sinking, you do it on an outpost, so you can buy them. And if you win a battle, the ship’s supplies should be claimable, because the only way to get supplies with constant fighting is to bully people with spawn camping and using a storage crate.
Been blunderbomb camped pretty much 5 fights in a row because my friends and I are all extremely rusty. Not to mention I keep getting screwed by hit reg. The old, "They bring a blunder and they blow my intestines into another server every single shot. I bring a blunder it does 10 damage when the barrel is down their throat". I wanted to like this system, we had a great run initially but SBMM seems to just not work rn. There's no way I'm up against cracked AF double gun cannon gods with perfect aim this many times in a row
Feel ya friend group just came back to the game after like a year we have 2 newish guys there shouldn't be any way we get an immediate match with people who've already got the new curse
@@aarond3467 Very likely, we got thrown up against the same Athena's 5 gally 3 times in a row on a completely different session. They were gods, and we were but scared out of practice scrubs.... We got annihilated
A pirate's life tall tale 3 final checkpoint and a storage crate let's you arrive in the battle with close to 100 fire bombs and blunder bombs. I think you're right, either nerf the blunder bombs effect when fired from a canon or prevent them from being used in the canon. One useful nerf would be to apply a timed fuse like the fireworks forcing the blunderbomb fire rate to be slower meaning that if skilled players want rapid fire and blunderbomb use, they will have to switch back and forth between types.
I like blunderbombs. I think removing at exactly one of their attributes would make them more fair. -knockback off of cannons/helm -damage radius -effect through wall -ship nosing removing any single one of these would balance it out.
Don’t agree with taking out alliance servers. As someone who’s never been in an alliance server, it’s rlly fun to fight against an entire server. And I feel like working together with other crews is a big thing that makes SOT feel so organic. U even say helping your faction is good for the game, so I don’t understand why enjoying that aspect of the game makes it less organic
One more issue is that you spawn anywhere in the world after you sink and you also need to get to the closest outpost to rise emissary, which is time consuming aswell
Great video as usual. I'm loving Season 8! My only issue as of now (aside from being blunderbombed into oblivion) is the skill based matchmaking. We fought the same galleon three times on Sunday night - pretty sure there are more than 4 galleons queuing for the new mode haha. I'm sure they'll loosen the SBMM criteria and hopefully that will speed up matchmaking for a lot of people and offer some more varied battles for everyone!
I HAVE HAD ALMOST ALL MY FIGHTS BE AN HOUR LONG. It really discourages me to fight when its just seeing who has more supplies. I am only level 11 or so in my faction cuz I just dont want to play these tedious fights.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness You've clearly never pvp'd in a brig or galleon if you think a single 50 cannonball crate is anywhere near enough. That's almost one single broadside, all gone in like 10 seconds. Getting supplies isn't the issue, it's rare taking them away when you sink forcing you to do it again, and again, and again.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness I don't get the point of that reply. Losing supplies is fine in adventure mode where you're not being sunk every 5 minutes. It's not acceptable in matchmaking pvp.
Oh hey look, its all of the EXACT issues that Insiders complained about for months on end. Remind me what the point of Insiders is, when they ignore the widespread feedback that inevitably becomes a big issue when the season releases? People were alliance camping on *insider* within a week. It was brought up every week as the biggest upvoted issue, and lo and behold! It's here at launch. (Also the supply thing, too. That's the bigger issue imo, because its something *everyone* experiences 50% of their matches)
People might be shocked to hear this, but there are actually skillful players who *every so often* participate in alliance servers bc they simply don’t have the time to grind the game. Not everyone in alliance servers are skillless, pvp hating bots. (Although, yes alot of them are) lol. But I don’t find it fair putting all those players in a box like that.
@@jansonshrock2859 Funny how that argument is ONLY brought into play when people do something that sucks the enjoyment out of everyone else. It makes me believe you are one of the people who do this lame strategy. Alliance servers take what is supposed to be a game and exploit everything about it to the point of it being more a chore to inflate your arbitrary 'wins' and fictional gold count. It's sea of thieves, not sea of sad assholes
@@NibbleMyKibble I have a grand total of 0 pvp wins sir I don't do pvp, in fact I just scuttle my ship the instant I see anyone coming for me pvp is NOT for me. That being said, for SEVEN, count it, SEVEN seasons I have been hunted down mercilessly by other players, does it matter if I have loot of not? nah. Does it matter if i'm/with a new player? nah. You wanna know what argument was used to justify picking on hilariously less powerful crews? The same argument I gave you. Now, that the pvper's have FINALLY GOTTEN THE TABLES TURNED ON THEM AND MADE TO FEEL AS POWERLESS AS THEY MAKE OTHER PEOPLE FEEL, it's suddenly this terrible thing to do and people should be banned for it honestly hilarious
Been able to matchmake one time, for my first fight. Spent another 2ish hours so far waiting for other fights before deciding to play something else. Hopefully they sort that out soon
Yeah same. The estimated match-making times the game shows also means nothing. I've had instances where the estimated time says more than 10 minutes but I instantly get into a game or it says less than 1 minute and I have to wait more than 10. On a brig or Gally me and my crew can usually get 3 or 4 matches relatively quickly when we match-make but after that it's nearly impossible to find anyone. I don't care about winning or losing fights but not being able to participate in any at all really kills this season for me. Like you said I hope they sort out the match-making issues.
On the topic of solo wait times, I was playing a day or two ago and was told by the hourglass 2-4 mins and proceeded to sit there under water for about 15 mins
I think Rare need to implement system where we can see what rank we are (Stone - Onyx, or something like that). It would be great to see your crew progressing alongside give you an idea of what level of crews you should be up against. I like to think my crew is competent. But lately all we've had is exceptionally hard fights which we lose the majority of and still the challengers keep getting tougher.
I feel like the distance between the brigs and the galleons are too close. Just separating them a bit further would help solve this problem personally. Otherwise, I have no other issues!! Great job Rare 👍
I think the biggest issue that's causing slow match making times is that they have divided the player base by 2 factions, and then that's further divided by crew sizes. If they allowed factions to match with themselves after 3/5 minutes, that would probably alleviate a lot of the ache players are feeling with trying to find a match. They could even reskin the enemy crew to be like "Dark Adventurer Athena" or something if it breaks lore immersion, kind of like how in OW you're never the Red Team.
The duality of the blunder is that spamming them against the canon line is not skilled gameplay and quite cheesy, but at the same time the blunder is the only thing other than a rigging ball that effectively stops people from catching mast when you chain. You could argue that cannons can get this done, but this is not easy at all to do even at medium distance. You could argue that making blunderbombs only a throwable means u can just send a border when you hit chains to throw blunders from the water, but then what happens to solo slooping? I can just imagine it just becomes a test of whoever gets headshot by a cannon first (which it already pretty much is).
I had an impromptu alliance appear recently when my guardian sloop attacked a reaper sloop on our server, the reaper got invaded and we worked with the invading guardian to sink the reaper. Then both of our sloops saw a guardian brigantine get invaded so we went and helped them too. After that our two sloops sailed together for a while sinking invaders and sailing around while the four of us had a fun session.
Honestly just buffing the amount of supplies you can purchase would be nice to make the supplying times less obnoxious. Treat it like this: As you progress through the new PVP on demand system thing, it'll unlock the ability to purchase bulk supplies. There's a small, medium, and large supply you can buy from the shipwright, each unlocked by getting to a certain point in the level you are for the matchmaking system. The small ones are basically what we have now, cheap with a small boost in supplies. The medium ones would cost more, but they'd give you a much more considerable amount of supplies. And the large ones are going to cost quite a bit, but they'll be a much more significant amount of supplies given to you. That way as you play and rack up more W's, you get rewarded for it, as well as giving 400 million gold Gary over there something to dip his gold cursed hands into
They kinda did this to themselves with alliance servers. People want a way to play with just their group, and if you don't give them a way, a pack of groups will come together, and make their own way to play without having to pvp. You can say "this is the nature of the game!" well, going against the nature of what the player wants, they will find a way to make it work for them. PvPing alliance faction servers are gross tho. A way to fix that would be to merge both ships to different sessions after the fight. pulling someone out of an alliance server breaks the entire fucking thing, so boom, it'll solve that issue. No server would want to spike after EVERY SINGLE FIGHT. It takes long enough as is. I've asked several Alliance players, if they had a subscription to make your own session, with your own boats, would you pay for it, and almost every one I've talked to said yes. The model is already there with Fallout 1st which some 76 players have and enjoy. THAT would also nip alliance servers in the butt. Just make the hourglass not work in these private sessions, and then guess what? that solves that issue too. The money is on the table. Rare would be foolish to pass it up.
That's always been my biggest gripe about sinking. Losing supplies is worse than losing loot IMO. Mainly because it's a huge time loss. They could just nerf the price for supplies. And honestly 18k for a storage crate is bogus if you ask me..... More like 5k would be ideal.
They don't have to nerf or change anything. All they have to do is make it so when you sink in pvp, you retain your supplies. Problem solved. You still have to resupply eventually but that's part of the game and a non-issue. The issue is having to do it every single fight.
I'd say you nailed 4 of the major issues I've been having for the past week. Long wait times, too big of a fight ring, materials in general, and alliance cheeses. But, I'd say there's 1 more issue in my eyes.. I feel like the reward for participating isn't high enough. So, I enjoy PvP. But, I'm not the greatest at it. I REALLY want the Blessing of Athena. That being said, I'll get into a solo sloop fight that'll last roughly 2 hours and end up sinking. (Oh well) But, I check my level only to find out that after 2 hours of straight navel combat (and more due to grabbing materials) I only got 1/4th a level.. That's too low considering the time and effort. I hope they at least buff the amount to a half a level participating and more winning. That way it wouldn't be nearly as nasty of a grind considering you have to have 75 Reapers or PL.
Unfortunately not.. If you go on the defensive route and stack loot to defend from other players and sink you only get 1/6th a point instead of 1/4th. It's better just to dive and go on the offensive. Less time prepping your lose. I mean, unless you're REALLY good at PvP. But, it's a harder risk vs reward route.
Well AShinyRay, I have to say I disagree with some of your desired changes, but agree with others. 1) Blunderbombs: are the great equalizer for newbies/casuals against pro-player double-gunning sweat lords! And even though they can be spammy, they don't make holes in a ship, break masts, or otherwise ruin one's ability to fight... In fact, if they spam them, I actually call for everyone to just stay off cannons. They're a useful tool, but one not to be used lightly before you really need them. Because both sides have access to it and the mechanics surrounding it haven't changed from the Adventure experience, there's not much an issue to me on that. Sloop's changes to not get knocked off as easily are fine too and shouldn't be touched in the coming reworks to the on-demand battle experience. The AoE is probably strong, but the whole purpose of the shot is meant to sink a ship which has holes unrepaired and drain food for easier kills with fire and cannonshot. We see what happens between fairly evenly matched ships who can't sink, but a few well placed blunderbombs turns that tide. And since not everyone is a boarding maniac, they need to stay as cannonable shot. 2) Supplying: is a factor of adventure. What Rare ought to do is get barrels' amounts up again and barrel restock timers reduced. And if you had an invasion, allow you to resupply at an outpost you've been to OR spawned at. Since invasions happen suddenly and matchmakers want to get out there faster... More supplies per barrel, per island. It still takes a player to get them, it doesn't magically get on your ship. This hasn't been a complaint that went off quietly before, and my own suggestion of supply crates for purchase and for draining/filling barrels did come in handy to speed up the rate at which a ship supplies itself. The point is to be prepared and constantly prepare. - I often saw many ships just quick sail without supplying, and while they were a bit easier to fight, it wasn't an instant win, seeing as they can board and grab your tools of the trade to fight you with. I would NEVER want an even, fair fight. Its pirate-time and we fight dirty. No arena style same number of resources!~ YAR! Rare just needs to stop having these "Check your balance" UI timers for purchases. Just give us the darn things already! No other online game I play does this. Or takes my time with as many clicks and "Okay, you got your stuff!" UI that I have to close!!! RAAAAHH!!!~ 3) Battle Bounds: Some have suggested timed decreases to size for lengthier battles. Either 30 or 60 minutes. Just to help encourage the intensity of a fight for its conclusion. SoT battles are not short all the time, but the longest ones need help... That's all that should change. 4) Matchmaking: I agree, it would be nice to matchmake a bit differently so you're not sitting around endlessly. Specifically, keep sailing while waiting for a match AND then get a quick alarm to get back into place to prep for their invasion. Like a "Ready Up" state before diving for an invasion. 5) Alliance Servers: I will submit that alliance servers and Discord Spiking or takeovers do need to be addressed somehow. Though in my experience on the seas so far with this update (albeit limited) wherein I did make an alliance while sailing for the flame, it was completely organic and my allies all died when I got invaded then *they* got invaded too at the same time. I have not personally seen alliances straight up win in this case. But these occasions are something of an outlier that can prove strong evidence to the better crew actually tackling things. And they have to remember too, if one of those ships goes down with an active hourglass, they permanently lost that ally until they locate and convince a crew to let their buds back in. - Rare has some options, but none are easily implemented in this case. The problem is largely player-oriented, not game-oriented, so fixing that comes with a cost somewhere.
Honestly, I was expecting every one of these takes to be horrendous due to your excessive lack of drip and controller usage, but you proved me wrong. Not only did you highlight the major issues plaguing this otherwise excellent update. But you provided some great options for fixes as well. Not to mention you're pretty damn good for a controller player. Respect.
So here's my take on some of the issues brought up. 1) Blunderbombs - Rather than make them unusable in cannons entirely, maybe work down to that in stages after some playtesting. I would suggest increasing the loading time of blunderbombs by about 25% and I'm going to also suggest something that Left 4 Dead 2 implemented in regards to melee spam. In that game, after 5 repeated melee attacks, an increasing cooldown timer got implemented ranging from 0.5 seconds all the way up to 2.5 seconds if I remember correctly. In Sea of Thieves, repeated blunderbombs shot from a cannon would incur a cooldown that gets longer and longer the more they are repeatedly loaded. This way, the tool itself isn't changed, just the way in we we use the tool. 2) Supplies - I am against changing the supply situation in the sense of having instanced supplies specifically for the battles. And it's for the reason you bring up. That is, it's more Arena-like. In Arena, your ship sinking wasn't necessarily the end of the fight. The primary goal wasn't to sink others, it was to put points on a leaderboard before time ran out. To that end, having a well stocked ship was essential to quickly get you back into the fight of that rigidly-timed competition. My suggestion of a solution for the Season 8 PvP is a little more ambitious. Expand the Seaposts. Add a shipwright to them that offers supplies for sale, perhaps even supply crates for sale, and throw an extra 8 to 10 barrels on them. Make them almost like mini-outposts. Seaposts already have bounty boards, like outposts and spawning back in at a place with a shipwright just seems...right to me. So for those who've just suffered a loss can quickly purchase more supplies and hopefully get back into the fight faster. This would hopefully also help with the matchmaking times. I would also suggest after a loss you ALWAYS spawn back in at either an Outpost or Seapost. Obviously these ideas would need tweaking and iterations and testing, but I think these are much more in line with the spirit of the PvP mechanic that was made to take place in the Adventure mode. Would love to hear your feedback on these suggestions.
I agree with you, Blunder bombs make it hard for the other crew to even try to win the battle, especially when on brig/gally. I also feel like, players should beable to bring other players flag from one game to another, when pvp.
I agree with everything you said and I will add two points. 1) If they make a set supplies for every battle, there will be more people going into matchmaking so maybe rare doesn't need to give more information about the status of the queue, because you will be finding faster matches. 2) Alliances camping invading ships is something that should be allowed, it's annoying but people should be able to rat victories. But, alliances should be able to invade other alliances too. That alone would be epic af. Furthermore, battles with unbalanced number of ships should get buffs or nerfs to their stats or supplies. And, for every ship taken down, the hourglass should have it's value incremented.
I'm a little late to the party, but for me, the three most things that hurt this season for me are: - The distinct lack of Reaper's Bones cosmetics compared to Athena's Fortune. It feels like Rare put 90% of their cosmetic development on Athena's Fortune. - Blunderbombs. I am sick and tired of running into trash talking asshats that think they're hot shit, when they spammed blunderbombs endlessly, or as soon as I even began to hit them 2-3 times. It's very apparent who would be greatly effected by a blunderbomb nerf. For some, it's a MASSIVE crutch and it's just straight up annoying. - Matchmaking Times. I am sick and tired of sitting in the tunnel for an endless period of time, even during what should be considered "prime time". SBMM is not good for this game. I don't care who I fight. I don't want to sit in the tunnel for half an hour. Getting consistent fights has been a struggle and has been few and far between.
what really boiled my blood was that when i was soloing servants a person trapped me in the shroud and just got an instant loss as they just sat at the shores of gold doing nothing this happened twice
I think the blunder bombs should remain shootable from cannons - but they should function much closer to how they do when thrown, ie: nerf only the cannon-version. Since the thrown ones don't knock ships the same way, and I'm pretty sure the cannon-shot ones also get a bigger AoE. Make the canon version closer to the thrown one (or even just matching it entirely with no added effects/changes), with a smaller aoe than it currently has and less impact. Also, I think the first bit of the out-of-bounds area should probably remain pretty soft, but ramp up much more quickly. The main issue is that it can be difficult to tell where the boundary is currently, so I think of the first area as sort of like the way the ground changes near the edge of a baseball field, so people can tell they're running out of space before they hit a wall that they can't see. It would maybe be neat if Rare could put some clear visual effects around the ring of the arena - at least visible to the two ships involved. If they did that I'd support making crossing the line small amounts much more punishing. We could also maybe support different arena sizes for different ship classes. With sloops getting slightly smaller arenas. The other potential solution I liked to help curb the "running away forever" was a shrinking arena, but not like you're imagining. Not a battle-royale style where the arena eventually closes up. Instead, just once or twice, after a couple of minutes each, the arena shrinks by like 10-15%, that's it. And after the shrink it doesn't change again afterwards. So if fights do go on for a long time it'll make it easier to reach an end at least. laaastly - I absolutely agree to wishing nothing but bananas onto the alliance ambush players, and Rare /should/ definitely change things, such as making it so you can't faction up while already in an alliance. (though this doesn't actually fix the real problem. Ships could still work together to ambush without being an official alliance) - maybe instead making it so defenders won't get invaded if they're near another ship (and also blocking alliances still too). BUT, this is Rare's fault and Rare's problem. I don't want to be on the receiving end of an alliance ambush, but I do not support banning/punishing players for optimizing the game with the tools that the game itself gives them. Blame the devs, not the players, imo.
One big issue I keep encountering is almost every ship I fight, sails over to the edge of the arena, puts sails up and just waits. Then nothing happens for like 20 minutes
Regarding supplies, rather than Arena-style presets, I'd like to just be able to keep whatever was in my barrels when I sank. An even simpler fix that would make me happy: Make us respawn at outposts so we can stock up quickly and get back in the fray! Right now it is much faster to just start a new game than sail to an outpost.
The only issue I have with the season is how grueling the grind for the new curses is. Not everyone enjoys pvp, and the fact the 2 most requested curses are locked behind a pvp mode sucks. Especially for how long it takes. It took me 2 weeks of constantly playing the game, only taking breaks to eat, going to the bathroom, and sleeping to get the skeleton curse. Rare needs to lower the grind
Rather than give ships arena-style supplies, all Rare has to do is make it so you don't lose your supplies when sunk in pvp. You'd obviously still lose supplies when sunk normally. But when you lose a pvp match you should keep your supplies. As that's the real issue here. It's losing your supplies after a loss. Taking time to supply up is part of adventure mode, and this pvp is still part of adventure mode, it isn't arena. So long as they don't take our supplies after every single loss we can continue to queue up until we've exhausted our supplies through combat, then take a break to resupply and then get back into the fight.
I play sea of thieves and love the pvp here is a tip to beat the alliance guys just get more friends and alliance yourself make a fleet like irl (cant really hate on somone for having more friends then you or being more social) :D
I had no idea about the alliance servers until I was playing as reaper, joined an alliance and got a match. I wondered what would happen and quickly realized this was very unfair for the other crew. This definitely is the most important issue that has to change. Just prevent boats with alliance to get a match.
no cannon blunder bombs is honestly something I 100% agree with. It's obnoxious to deal with a constant volley of "lol you don't get to play the game while my mates board you because one cannoner on blunders is still op" they should always be something built so a gunner can make space or a boarding party can cause chaos on deck once they're already there.
I exclusively use blunder bombs for boarding so I think cutting off the ability to cannon them is alright Also it’s really easy to get supplies. Want my advice? Buy supplies from an outpost, take a storage crate, and loot the entire outpost. It nets you loads of food and cannons in like 5-10 minutes.
honestly feel like the blunder issue would resolve if the "set supplies" idea was implemented. Blunders could stay unchanged, but each crew would only get 5-10 of them for the whole fight
As a primarily PvE guy, even I don't really love discord alliance servers. Someone invited me to one once (this was back in the day just for loot, not for pvp cheese), but I left after one time checking it out as it just felt cheaty. As for the blunderbombs in cannons, I'd be down for making throwables be throwable only. Always seemed kinda weird that you can load these clearly glass bottles into a cannon.
i've heard the argument that blunderbombs should be limited to 3 in a pocket at a time, countered by also being able to carry 3 firebombs simultaneously. i think i can get behind it. granted, nothing is stopping people from keeping a storage crate beside their cannon loaded with them (which would likely become the meta). but holy hell, knockback seems so much more intense this season than it used to.
I disagree. The set supplies makes things more of an Arena fight again, AND there's no dirty tricks. I want my 3 hour adventure (where I supplied to fend off invaders) to have a good chance at beating the other guys!
2:40 or do like me, lure the enemy close to the edge, board them, turn the wheel so they sail to the edge, keep them out of the wheel till their hourglass explode
the biggest issue is the supplies tbh. you spend a long time getting supplies, head into battle and then fight someone who never gets off the game, sinking you in seconds, only making you repeat the cycle if getting sups just to sink in seconds again. they need to give at least a bit if supplies back to you if you sink so you can properly grind this already hard to level up system they put into action
i had a server alliance pvp - was curious to see what happened. Ended up having a 2v2 and our side lost. As in two Athena sloops, vs two Reaper Sloops. It was glorious. 10/10, would recommend making that happen if you can.
My duo and I sunk an entire alliance server in the old arena days and WE got banned for a week because they mass reported us. By far I feel that the alliancing in season 8 has to be dealt with first, we are almost to 100-0 and if our first time sinking in over a year comes because of a discord alliance it will be a very sad day.
I think the issue is that the matchmaking is based on percentages. A swabbie team who has won 1 match has a win rate of 100%. However, an actually good galleon crew that’s won 19 matches and lost 1 has a win rate of 95%. So those two crews are matched against each other. The issue is that they aren’t counting the amount of wins, they’re just contributing to a percentage. So it’s a bad early solution, but as time goes on it will get better. They need to change it now though, because now is the early game so it will not work correctly.
Here's a big issues I've encountered that you didn't cover. There are people who wait for others to invade them and run into the shores of gold tall tale area
Yup, had that too. They're just waiting there, out of reach (for both cannonballs and swimming players, since they blackscreen). They probably use a tool to give random inputs to avoid lazybeard. It's so cheap and they deserve to have their whole progress with the factions resetted.
I have a different idea, that can even be logically explained. What if loading blunder bombs and fire bombs was, let's say 50% slower than loading cannons. In that case if you hit the enemy crew while they are loading blunders you have more of a chance to stop them and the explanation is simple. Blunder bombs and fire bombs are made of glass so they need to be loaded more carefully. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk
I'm with you on all accounts, especially your proposed solution for supplies. I tried playing on a galleon in the new mode for the first time and it's a night and day difference compared to supplying up in solo queue. "Flameheart wept" gets me every time
Agree with all these points. But as an almost exclusively pve player, I was hoping the release of this update would lessen the pvp interactions or reaper interactions. Unfortunately have noticed an increase in these bouts.
Completely agree with what you said about blunderbombs, however I completely disagree with your take on supplies. If people want to supply up they have a right to use the supplies they earned in the fight. All I’m asking for is more DEFAULT supplies when ships spawn in. (Ex: sloop has 40 cannonballs by default rn, make that double or something) set ship supplies would take away so much immersion and I don’t want it
Ive had things like that happen where i was on a 3 sink streak and then dived into an alliance and got pummeled by like three ships. its so annoying and Rare really needs to add something like if you pledge alliegence to either faction, you cannot offer nor join an alliance because that would make the pvp so much better
I like the battle bounds being forgiving. It invites more scenarios where the environment will be relevant. And makes the mode less frustrating for newer players. But having done some solo slooping; the mode desperately needs a way to settle stale mates. Perhaps making everything do more damage after a certain amount of time (a sort of sudden death situation). Or spawning in loot like; wraith balls or kegs. Also maybe make alliances a part of the mode. Like if there are multiple people of the same side within the bounds, the attacker will spawn in with another queuing ship (similar to dark sould). Could be a fun thing to see every now and then.
I have regularly sat and waited multiple times for literally over an hour to get one match. There was one time I had a full galleon and we played for 2 hours. No invasions. I've recently also not even been able to get rando crews together for a galleon, always only getting a single person in 20 minutes. There are days I get a full 5 stack of loot and no invasions. It feels like the entire system is broken.
I'm quite happy with this update but yea I'd love to see the supply suggestion u made would that be close to what arena was? Yes. Is that a bad thing? No. Arena is dead and was flawed yes but there were very nice features in arena that should be salvaged rather than forgotten
it would be fun if there are multiple ships in proximity - multiple invaders will spawn in. Yes there's server limit still, but having a 3v3 sounds like insane fun
As a slooper and loses alot of pvp supplies are an issue. I got lucky after a fight I went to a outpost and found so much loot from a player when they left. so many chests with cannonballs and other goodies and I figured id be all set but once I got to another match the player sailed my ship into the anti-running border and won instantly and two hundred cannonballs were lost under twenty seconds. I lost alot of gold just constantly buying supplies edit: forget barrier size! They need to make it so enemy ships cant just board your ship and steer it outside the border for an easy win, its so annoying when reapers act like its skill saying "all hail flameheart" when they only got the cheap when by killing me and sailing my ship outside the boarder. It's abuse of the mechanic and cheating
I do agree with the supplies often being an issue, resulting in me getting a little more... ahem.. creative. with my choosing of battlegrounds. I tend to sail solo on a brig (I know, its dumb. but I just like my brig too much), which obviously gets me put up against larger crews than myself. Tis a nice challenge, at the very least - one best solved by picking your fights, to an extend. ..By not activating your hourglass til you've reached a comfortable location for you to fight in, say like. You know. A storm. Or the Coral Fortress with its storm and reef combo. The ship diving out from the waves has no idea what's awaiting them when they rise - but you do. Running low on supplies aint an issue when your enemy tears itself apart on hidden reefs in a storm ;)
I haven't seen anyone else say it, but DONT LET PVP PARTICIPANTS FIX ENEMY SHIPS. Me and my friends very first match was against a much better crew who thought it would be more fun to fix our ship and just spawncamp us until we scuttled. We had been prepared to take losses, but forcibly having to give up really soured the mood for the evening.
The problem with PVP in this game is things that other games dealt with a long time ago. The PVP queue needs to actually have some pairing logic applied to it. That means if you arent an advanced PVP player you shouldnt be paired against double gunning sweaties. PVP overall needs a revamp, it works when you can run off and be opportunistic, is rather dumb when you have a queue system.
My biggest issues are the registration issues and the game just straight up doing the opposite of what I wanted to happen. If I click on blunders to load then into the cannon, the game will instead load a chain.
I wish they'd intergrate the mechanics of multiple ships going into a battle all on the same team. That would really make battles more interesting, sort of like a fleet but with players?
Honestly the biggest issue I have is how terrible the SBMM is. One minute I’m fighting people who need to be told which end of the gun to point at the enemy and the next I’m fighting a good boy full TSD galley
Same here, my first match was with a whole-server reaper alliance, not fun...
To add, I was a solo slooper..
Innit
Yes I generally only fight those a lot worse or better
Facts!!
We sunk a galley last night and then sold at reapers as we were leaving it finally spawned another galley and then two sloops came in at the same time and it was 3v1. We almost made it lol
Instead of Arena-style set resources, I would give the option to reclaim the resources from your sunk ship at either the shipwright or another stand. This means resources such as cursed cannonballs don't need to be locked out of the mode, and regular adventure supplying is still valuable.
You might question the possibility of boarders taking your resources, to which I respond that that'd still be a problem if you won the fight and didn't have to rebuy in the first place.
They can make it where we all get same supplies but in the battle of the battle arena thing, there is a ship like the one in arena and in that ship there is a bunch of good supps such as wraith balls, pineapples, cursed cannon balls etc, that will encourage hand to hand combat and also make us enjoy all elements of this game, as we can fight with cursed balls, wraith balls etc while having fair fights that are fully determined on skill and not on amount of resources you have.
how about flip that... when you get sunk.. the winning team still has 5 min to raid the sinking ship of supplies as it continues to go to Davy Jones Locker...
I agree that it's best if supply barrels floated upwards along with the loot, maybe have them hold only a fraction of their contents while the ship was afloat, but the solution (the concept) to the supply issue is basically already in the game and it's been there since day 1.
I think the best way is that when you sink you keep your supplies except you lose 25% from every barrel. In which that 25% floats to the surface for the opponent to scoop up and collect. That way people don’t lose a tonne of supps on a win or loss style mode but the victor still gets a slice of cake with the 25% from you ship.
They need to have something like War Thunder has in their matchmaking where you can see how many people there are in the queue as well. If you can visually see that you are the only one in the queue, you can leave and gather more supplies. It also helps to show you if you are about to enter a fight.
War thunder is able to handle so many moving objects, bullets, tanks, planes, environment and runs smoothly. But SoT has lag spikes, hit reg, can't handle 2 ships.
@@BobTheFish1238 I'm not talking about the quality of the game's systems. I'm talking about showing how many ships are in the queue
@@m4gicnateball149 ya I know, I'm just saying how much better war thunder servers are compared to SoT
@@BobTheFish1238 Absolutely. War Thunder servers are much better
@@BobTheFish1238 difference is war thunder doesn't have waves
I really enjoy this update as a solo slooper, but the first time i had queued as a duo sloop with my buddy and we were put against people *significantly* better than us 3 times in a row. I appreciate that rare thinks that we are that good but it sure was a rough few fights
the mmr system has just been implemented, there is no way to determine the skill of a player if they never participated in the system. Give it some time, playing matches as well, and it will regulate itself.
“Why is SBMM not working the exact moment I start playing”
“The world revolves around me”
Those 2 statements are a lot alike
The supply issue is absolutely stopping me from playing more. I want to do matchmaking, but having to supply up for an hour beforehand, only to sink in one or two fights, is really killing the experience. I spend more time re-supplying than I do fighting. That's a problem.
I feel I should add that the way blunderbombs behave when you fire them out of cannons is actually pretty counter-intuitive. For firebombs and pirates, the cannon essentially just lets you throw them further. But, for blunderbombs, it changes the radius, the knockback, the damage... Why?
This is how I feel about it. Should definitely still be able to shoot them out of cannons, should not turn into the damn horn from Mario kart mid flight tho
I don't know man, I tried to think about it myself from some science perspective.
Maybe the Blunderbomb is constructed such that it is a two reactant explosive, that when a divider inside is shattered (similar to the construction of the firebomb, as it appears to have a flame encased in some sort of flammable fluid), it explodes and the pellets inside damage pirates and ships as shrapnel. Perhaps the higher velocity of a cannon firing it out causes the Blunderbomb to explode more violently due to faster shattering of the internal core that separates the two reactants and mixing them quicker, effectively creating a better high explosive, therefore throwing shrapnel harder (higher damage), and increasing the TNT equivalent mass inside causing the shockwave to be more powerful, increasing knockback and increasing the effective radius.
That would probably explain all three of those, but it's a video game, so logic doesn't really apply.
It sound like a you problem
its a thing about skill you can knock a ship out of cannon range for you giving you some breathing room and it makes seance the range is increased because its getting shot out of a cannon the bomb is going to be moving quicker
@@commandertaboo7734 Oh I fully get that, but it quite literally cripples the galleon right off the bat. By knocking the galleon off course so easily it just turns it into a slaughter. The galleon turns way to slow in response, leading to an instant death if the enemy team is even decently good at the game.
My biggest issue is a small one: If you get sunk because you left the barrier, you get no rep at all. This means that if someone boards you and camps you enough (especially if you're solo) they can just drive you out of bounds and you get nothing for it. They get no extra benefits for doing this, it just takes away your reward, which feels kind of unfair to me, since I'm mostly a solo player (and I'm not very good at it either)
tbh I think the easiest way of fixing this is by simply doing a check to see if the out of bounds ship's players are on the Ferry of the Damned or not.
Obviously if they gave rewards for going out of bounds people would just queue and then run away, but the "board, camp, drive out of bounds" strat _IS_ a viable one especially in solo PVP, so having a way of making it clear that was done as the other crew's _win condition_ rather than you running way would be a really nice addition.
@@DuskEalain That would not work in some cases were the player owning the out of bounds' ship respawn at it, or can't reach the helm in time. And since other crews can join the battle they could drive out of bounds the enemy ship if they please, so checking for the position of every player involved in the conflict would not result in a situation easily solvable.
The best way to counter this is to defend your ship from boarders. There are multiple ways of winning a match, so you will not lose every single time to this strat.
as someone who gets dumpstered just as often as i win, i don't think rewards should be given to the losing crew at all in the first place. farming losses for levels is boring for everybody involved imo
@@marklittle300 I do think farming for losses is something that shouldn't be possible. But taking the time to get supplies, find and opponent and fight just to get sunk and get *absolutely nothing* for it isn't fun either. Which is why i like that you're at least given a little sliver of rep when you lose currently
Best way to fix the supplies issue is to make the cannonball barrel of the enemy's ship part of the flotsam that floats up after you defeat it. Regardless of the enemies supplies, there should be a bare minimun of at least 150 cannonballs and 25 or so coconuts +30 planks 2 get u ready for the next fight (varies depending on ship size).
Only requirement is to have a storage crate 2 gather resources quickly.
I think the only solution for alliance servers is for some kind of detection. If multiple flagged allied crews are together in one server, they all get invaded at the same time, or not at all.
then they'll just not alliance
Or if it’ll detect an alliance, they’re alliance gets server merged
Dude imagine if the servers could handle a full five v. five invasion. That would be insane. Season 26 perhaps.
Would also be funny to allow alliance invading. Would certainly have extremely terrible waiting times, but seeing a toxic alliance server going up against another toxic alliance server would be downright hilarious.
They don't need to fix the issue completely, they just need to make it frustratingly difficult. If they added a random cooldown between 1-2 minutes between crews joining a cold server, it would completely FUCK their ability to spike servers, and would have to recruit ships to the alliance the old fashioned way. They would still be able to hold on to the alliance once they got it though, but then all you need to do is make sure EVERY SoT server reboots at least once every 24h for maintenance , and merges people away forcibly, alliances be damned.
These 2 things combined would make operating an alliance fleet tedious and not fun to the point that no one would volunteer their time to setting them up. Meaning the only alliance fleets left would be people who have automated/scripted the whole thing, and therefore seriously violating the xbox live ToS, meaning you could legitimately ban them.
Blunderbombs also deal Emotional Damage. I still would like them out of Cannons, since its crucial for changing enemy ship direction, but the damage done to players / knockback should be sorted + the amount of how many you can get from shipwright, outposts and all usual sources
Because of them, I've reached milestone 84 in the swearing alignment.
@@AShinyRay lol
@@AShinyRay lol
@@AShinyRay lol
I definitely agree that something needs to change with supplies, so far my experience has been getting a couple wins, sinking, and then just getting off because I don't want to deal with spending another hour restocking. I don't want to spend half my time gathering supplies, I want to be fighting people and getting better at combat, I want an option for zero stakes combat rather than all my supplies being on the line
That's on you get better at getting supplies
@@monty1turbo nah bro, the supply system is awful, you cant just PVP whenever you want to, its not as good as arena where you spawn with X amount of supplies and have a quick fair fight, then spawn again with X amount of supplies. they should make it where y'all spawn in pvp with same supplies. Because at the moment we all are server hopin for supplies, and many rage quit inculding me due to losing supplies, and that affects the matchamaking.
Yeah great, let's spawn with loads of coconuts, cause that's good, 👌
Going to 1 sea fort: As long as it hasn't been recently invaded, instant 75 pomegranates (along with a zillion other things), 150 cannonballs, and 30 planks. Planks can of course be bought from both a merchant and a shipwright to supplement, however.
Buy supply crates at outpost
The long wait times are killing this season for me. Tried to get my friends back on the game after a long time of them being away(about a year and a half) we stocked up the boat and queued up. never got a fight tho waiting over 20 minutes they got on something else. dont imagine ill be able to get them to try again
i dont really think that this is a problem anymore, only on the release date
@@arryk nope still happening to me as well. Couldnt even get into a match after an hour of waiting
@@arryk its still a problem
@@Sirbananeth hm weird never had that issue… maybe it’s bc I‘m always on a sloop
Rarely happens to me, I've played on sloop brig and galley. Most wait times have been < 5mins.
I think the whole alliance server issue isn't too big of a deal personally. I can fully understand how its annoying but I think it adds an interesting aspect to it. I do disagree with the whole 2 galleons and 1 sloop waiting for an enemy sloop to rise up, but as for it being two galleons vs one galleon then that sounds kinda cool.
That said I 100% understand and agree that it can ruin a good streak, I personally wish there was a way to "Dive together" and do a 2v2 or even a 3v3 fight. Fleet vs Fleet in a way.
yeaa i would love to see fleeet v fleet will be interesting and fun
Isn't the PvP 1v1?
Seems really unfair to allow people to double team another player
@@ChildOfTheWilderness
Yea I understand your point fully. With that said I don't agree with it being a sloop vs two galleons, but a galleon vs two galleons. Still unfair sure, but it isn't as scummy in my opinion and can make for an interesting fight in some cases.
I personally wish there was a way to "Dive together" still and have a fleet vs a fleet in a team deathmatch.
tbh, I agree with the blunder bomb change you suggested. I also agree rare needs to condemn the use of server-wide alliances to get easy wins
that being said, if I can spike two ships into a server with a couple of friends, I don't really think that should be against the rules at all... is it cheep? yes. Will it mean that I then have to fight better and better crews till I end up going against players who *can* take on a two ship alliance? yes. that's why I don't see doing it at all as a bad thing; just maybe keep it to a maximum of two ships in an alliance. No risk, no reward
The easiest way to deal with server alliance camping is have both parties merge to a new server, win or lose.
@@astrorialunaris Cheep? In a game where no one bats an eye at experienced player sinking unmanned ships of PVE players, or preying on newcomers, all this "its not Sea of Friends", camping out at outposts to jump players and steal loot - is that the same game you want to talk about being cheap?
@@randygrimes6349 this ^
I think preserving resources when you are sinking would actually be better for gameplay loop. There is a thing related to capitancy. If you sink in this pvp mode, there is no need to pay for repairing your ship for next game. It might be a solution for supplies. If you sink in pvp, you maintain your resources. Winner should not worry about you, since the one who lost is already merged to other server. And, you can just simply jump into next fight without loosing time. I had to stop playing only because I did not want to spent next 1-2 hours farming sea forts for food and cannonballs. As for other issues, I cannot think of anything better than that what was already proposed in other comments.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. I'm not exactly a good player and when I sink it takes around 15 minutes (maybe more) just to get back to a decent amount of supplies. And the fact that I have to waste my gold on supply crates only to sink with it all. Some days I even spend more time supplying and matchmaking than actually fighting
My thoughts as well. Reward people for gathering supplies but don’t punish them when they sink (in an hour glass battle)
The lost allegiance is enough of a punishment. Having to restock every time makes me just wanna stop playing
I think there should be a time limit for the fights like 30 Min max and the circle stars to shrink every 5 minutes antill its completly gone. the blunderbombs spam and the waiting is annoying but the runners really ruin the expierence for me and my crew.
The worst thing that can happen to you happened to me like 4 times by now. You wait in the tunnel for so long... Finally find a match and get excited...
Only to realise that there are 3 ships waiting for you. Losing streaks to them feels horrible to be honest. Even the power of the OST can't make me sink a fleet lol.
5:30 The Battle Bounds should have some indication outside of going under deck and checking the map
I was thinking it would be neat to have a shroud around the battle zone so the ships outside of it are unaware of what lies inside it. Also, it would help to know when you are about to go out.
I mean the entire screen starts turning gray and music plays as you reach the boundary, so this is already there.
@@aaronswords404 once it's crossed. I'd prefer a heads up
Admittedly i’d be fine if blunder and firebombs were kept to throwables as they are in glass containers. That being said, i’d then want to see something like a grapeshot that is the equivalent of flintlock rounds impacting a ship. Does the small form of hull damage, but can be devastating to a crew. To counter this versatility they could have a literal “falloff” when firing, with the further range taking away more of its accuracy. Would encourage close broadsides, better chances for boarding, and focus on whether you go to try to cripple the enemy crew with the grapeshot or fire upon the ship’s segments to leave them dead in the water.
Before I go into this I should mention I exclusively play sloop and mostly play solo. I also play on Xbox servers. I would have to disagree with just about everything you said, except for the alliance server stuff and matchmaking.
For starters yes, we survived for two years without blunderbombs. We also survived for months or years without dynamic ship damage, harpoons, cursed cannonballs, chain shots, and firebombs. However, all of these additions made ship combat more in depth and fun. Blundeebombs just add one more layer of strategy. There may need to be a change, but not letting you fire them is not it. It sets back the evolution of pvp years and takes away depth and strategy, which is never a good thing.
I don’t really think a lack of supplies is much of a problem. Sure, if you do your stocking before you set sail, and then you sink, that sucks. You can however stock up a little before every fight instead of once at the beginning of the session. Also, giving you free supplies in your barrels ruins the immersion and seamlessness into adventure that makes this update so great. An easy fix would just be barrels that float up when you win that have supplies in them. If you lose just by supplies from the outpost for one battle.
I play sloop, and I don’t see running as a huge problem. You can’t run forever, eventually you have to turn. The solution, as much as I hate to say it, is just get good. When a ship turns you have a multitude of opportunities to immobilize them or board. Running shouldn’t be an issue, as long as you just have patience.
Great video and great channel. I’m subbed and love the content, but I really disagree on this one.
P.S. - please respond because this took forever to write.
As a sloop player, my biggest issue with this system is battle times. While a few can be short 5-10 minute fights, the majority of my battles have been long range supply wars that drag on for over an hour, with the winner typically having more wood. They need to change the radius of the circle, or at least shrink the circle every 10 minutes to ensure running for extended periods of time is not rewarded. Overall though, this season has been awesome.
Yeah fr I’m tryna get the curses fast so I non stop use the war map but every battle on a solo sloop takes around 3-5 business days to complete. Like tbh I’d be happier if I lost fast then if I won after a really long supply war like you said. Because if I lost fast I could just be like “alright then on to the next one.”
I board, and while they are re spawning after I kill them I empty cannon balls and wood into a supply crate and drop it overboard. If you have a team on ship they xan retrieve with the harpoon. But, that's how I win against that play.
Update is literally amazing, I only have one issue with it though, and it kind of ruins the whole experience for me. Solo sloop battles are INSANELY boring. This update has made me really want to hop on and play, I love getting matched up against other solos instead of bigger crews, but oh my god the fights take ages. I'm not sure what could be done to change this, if anything, but it really counters everything good about this update. I'm finally excited to play again and I can't be bothered because I know it will end up being a slog
Maybe if you go too long in the fight, the border starts to shrink, encouraging more aggressive behaviour, as it's far harder to run
if they make more ways to board, and added a keg that couldnt be removed from ship and could only be turned on by igniting it, then the solo sloop experience will be faster and more fun.
@@verex6247 you just want reaper rowboats back
Its because solo sloopers dont commit to the fight. Two ships go head on each other and the other ship always turns away
You know real naval battles used to last for hours right?
Tactical combat where you both repair and come back is what sea fighting is about.
You expect it to be over in 5 minutes but also want a challenge?
In Sea of Thieves the setup of the ships has to change. The sloop, i.e. the one-master, should ONLY be intended for one player and not for two. The two-master should be for two to three players, and the three-master for three to four players.
This is the most important change they need to bring in because as a solo player you are ALWAYS at a disadvantage especially in PvP elements. Four hands can always act faster than two. So one shoots, the other steers or repairs, or boards your ship. The Sloop should therefore be a single player ship because of the advantages this ship brings and the disadvantages of not having a crew.
But we're talking about a game company that certainly doesn't pride itself on designing a game for single players. I've got several hours behind me now, and the more I PvP in SoT, the more I'm bothered by the fact that I've been crushed by a two-man sloop again.
I love PvP in games because you can always get an advantage with better moves. But in SoT, that's where the problem lies. If it's a one vs one then it's fair and equal and everyone has equal odds and the better one wins. A one vs two but on the same ship type always puts you at a disadvantage. Sure, if you win against two players, then you have a bigger win. But that's exactly where the problem lies: you go into the fight with a negative account from the start.
The fact that a game manufacturer can't see something like that, or doesn't want to, shows how incompetent Rare is.
Honestly, as much as it sounds like copium, they should remove the ability to spawn camp in matchmaking. With the unreliability of the game matching you with players of the same skill level, you can go into a battle with 0 wins and 5 losses and end up fighting a crew of absolutely insane doublee gunners who do nothing but board and stop you from being able to break the spawn camp.
I’ve done alliance in PvP but legit because I royally suck at PvP. You don’t learn anything when you sink in 5 seconds, as I often do. Even allying, I do not possess a faction level higher than 3.
Furthermore, I enjoy Sea of Thieves but there’s an IMMENSE anxiety when I am approached by other players. Frequently they are highly aggressive players who seem to find no joy in life other than ruining someone else’s. Often with astounding toxicity win or lose. I want to be capable enough that when a ship attacks me, I feel a reasonable confidence I might win and this not panic. As mentioned before, I am frequently sunk within seconds of combat. PvP as it stands ruins the game for me, and considering there’s way more non PvP content than PvP, I feel justified. However, it’s a fact that betrayal and attacks are part of the nature of the beast so I need to adapt. Season 8 has been great in getting most of the worst offenders off the server and killing each other, but it also offers up a chance for me to shore up my weaknesses against PvP and to be able to engage with the game as it is as a fully enjoyable experience. To that end, learning to improve my skills through the use of alliances is one I will take without shame. I look forward to a time when I will no longer need them.
With the blunder bomb issue, I always advocate for addition over subtraction - especially when the subtraction is based on an edge case; the alternative I'd suggest is to add a crouch or brace action that mitigates the effect of knockbacks. It still gives power to the blunder bomb, and requires some skill to notice one has been fired at you. Overall I think the ability to crouch would also 'improve' the game in other areas and allow for more sneaking and pvp jukes in general.
I really miss the frequency of cosmetics from year 1 sea of thieves the servants should have more stuff like a full reaper weapon and tool set and the burning blade ship set with the servant of flame jacket as a reward because I want it
The reaper tool set is in the emporium (unfortunately) and the reaper weapon set is found inside the emissary rewards for the reapers bones at the end of each month. So they are there, just not very obvious
@@poppintags2280 I wouldn't mind that much if the sword was good and if it was a full tool set
The supply gathering is a pain in the arse especially a solo
lol bs... get a crate and go to two forts
People getting so lazy all of a sudden. Be happy that u don't have to server hop for hours now
@@vamperic -17k and -a lot of time
@@knyt0 OH NO! NOT 17K!!!! OMG! please...
A lot of time? 10m max. 1 sea fort and one regular fort.
It could not be bloody easier, just admit you are lazy
The problem I see is not that people are essentially lazy, its just that spending time and gathering a lot of supplies and getting sunk just to lose all that is pretty demoralizing. And it can be a little bit of a pain sometimes as rare keeps track of the things you buy on outposts so for example, I buy a storage create, cannon etc and sail off, gather loot at a fort and then start the hourglass and dive to find a match. Even though Win/Lose puts you in another server, if its at the exact same outpost that you got earlier, it still locks you out of buying those supplies for awhile, so you go sail to another. Can be quite demoralizing having to drag throughout something again and again and sometimes people just don't have that time to spare
What I would like to get changed is o you could keep sunk enemy ships flags when diving. When trying to matchmake back to back, I always end up dropping grade 5 flags to save up time instead of going to Reaper’s or an outpost depending on the faction. It is a lot of gold and commendations that I waste just to be quick.
Adding up to he supply solutions the other ones said, it would be cool that instead of spawning on a random island after sinking, you do it on an outpost, so you can buy them. And if you win a battle, the ship’s supplies should be claimable, because the only way to get supplies with constant fighting is to bully people with spawn camping and using a storage crate.
Been blunderbomb camped pretty much 5 fights in a row because my friends and I are all extremely rusty. Not to mention I keep getting screwed by hit reg. The old, "They bring a blunder and they blow my intestines into another server every single shot. I bring a blunder it does 10 damage when the barrel is down their throat". I wanted to like this system, we had a great run initially but SBMM seems to just not work rn. There's no way I'm up against cracked AF double gun cannon gods with perfect aim this many times in a row
Got the same problem, I'm thinking of using sword because of hitreg too. It's just.. hard for casuals to get a win
Feel ya friend group just came back to the game after like a year we have 2 newish guys there shouldn't be any way we get an immediate match with people who've already got the new curse
Maybe there isn’t enough people playing and you just get the sweats?
@@aarond3467
Very likely, we got thrown up against the same Athena's 5 gally 3 times in a row on a completely different session. They were gods, and we were but scared out of practice scrubs.... We got annihilated
@@aarond3467 it's probably right, people stopped playing because of sweats
A pirate's life tall tale 3 final checkpoint and a storage crate let's you arrive in the battle with close to 100 fire bombs and blunder bombs. I think you're right, either nerf the blunder bombs effect when fired from a canon or prevent them from being used in the canon. One useful nerf would be to apply a timed fuse like the fireworks forcing the blunderbomb fire rate to be slower meaning that if skilled players want rapid fire and blunderbomb use, they will have to switch back and forth between types.
I like blunderbombs.
I think removing at exactly one of their attributes would make them more fair.
-knockback off of cannons/helm
-damage radius
-effect through wall
-ship nosing
removing any single one of these would balance it out.
Don’t agree with taking out alliance servers. As someone who’s never been in an alliance server, it’s rlly fun to fight against an entire server. And I feel like working together with other crews is a big thing that makes SOT feel so organic. U even say helping your faction is good for the game, so I don’t understand why enjoying that aspect of the game makes it less organic
One more issue is that you spawn anywhere in the world after you sink and you also need to get to the closest outpost to rise emissary, which is time consuming aswell
Yeah, this could be a good change. If you are the one that sinks, and you get server merged, you should spawn at an outpost or Pirate Port.
Great video as usual. I'm loving Season 8! My only issue as of now (aside from being blunderbombed into oblivion) is the skill based matchmaking. We fought the same galleon three times on Sunday night - pretty sure there are more than 4 galleons queuing for the new mode haha. I'm sure they'll loosen the SBMM criteria and hopefully that will speed up matchmaking for a lot of people and offer some more varied battles for everyone!
Yes, we've fought 3 Galleon crews 2 times each. Surely there's more than 20 crews playing in Europe?
@@AShinyRay Well you would think so lol
@@EllieBoopGaming you would lol
I HAVE HAD ALMOST ALL MY FIGHTS BE AN HOUR LONG. It really discourages me to fight when its just seeing who has more supplies. I am only level 11 or so in my faction cuz I just dont want to play these tedious fights.
I could deal with not having blunder bombs and cursed cannonballs but only if players were forced to use a sword instead of double gunning
The biggest problem for me is to get enough supplies when I want to get quickly into a match. I don’t have time to play SoT all day either.
You can buy supply crates at the outposts
@@ChildOfTheWilderness You've clearly never pvp'd in a brig or galleon if you think a single 50 cannonball crate is anywhere near enough. That's almost one single broadside, all gone in like 10 seconds. Getting supplies isn't the issue, it's rare taking them away when you sink forcing you to do it again, and again, and again.
@@War450 you always lose supplies when you sink
@@ChildOfTheWilderness I don't get the point of that reply. Losing supplies is fine in adventure mode where you're not being sunk every 5 minutes. It's not acceptable in matchmaking pvp.
Oh hey look, its all of the EXACT issues that Insiders complained about for months on end. Remind me what the point of Insiders is, when they ignore the widespread feedback that inevitably becomes a big issue when the season releases?
People were alliance camping on *insider* within a week. It was brought up every week as the biggest upvoted issue, and lo and behold! It's here at launch. (Also the supply thing, too. That's the bigger issue imo, because its something *everyone* experiences 50% of their matches)
People might be shocked to hear this, but there are actually skillful players who *every so often* participate in alliance servers bc they simply don’t have the time to grind the game. Not everyone in alliance servers are skillless, pvp hating bots. (Although, yes alot of them are) lol. But I don’t find it fair putting all those players in a box like that.
The players personal skill is irrelevant. Alliance servers cheesing this is talentless and deserves repercussions
@@NibbleMyKibble gaining up on people and doing pvp is the pirate thing to do it's sea of thieves not sea of friends
@@jansonshrock2859 Funny how that argument is ONLY brought into play when people do something that sucks the enjoyment out of everyone else. It makes me believe you are one of the people who do this lame strategy. Alliance servers take what is supposed to be a game and exploit everything about it to the point of it being more a chore to inflate your arbitrary 'wins' and fictional gold count. It's sea of thieves, not sea of sad assholes
@@NibbleMyKibble I have a grand total of 0 pvp wins sir I don't do pvp, in fact I just scuttle my ship the instant I see anyone coming for me pvp is NOT for me. That being said, for SEVEN, count it, SEVEN seasons I have been hunted down mercilessly by other players, does it matter if I have loot of not? nah. Does it matter if i'm/with a new player? nah. You wanna know what argument was used to justify picking on hilariously less powerful crews? The same argument I gave you. Now, that the pvper's have FINALLY GOTTEN THE TABLES TURNED ON THEM AND MADE TO FEEL AS POWERLESS AS THEY MAKE OTHER PEOPLE FEEL, it's suddenly this terrible thing to do and people should be banned for it
honestly hilarious
Been able to matchmake one time, for my first fight. Spent another 2ish hours so far waiting for other fights before deciding to play something else. Hopefully they sort that out soon
Yeah same. The estimated match-making times the game shows also means nothing. I've had instances where the estimated time says more than 10 minutes but I instantly get into a game or it says less than 1 minute and I have to wait more than 10. On a brig or Gally me and my crew can usually get 3 or 4 matches relatively quickly when we match-make but after that it's nearly impossible to find anyone. I don't care about winning or losing fights but not being able to participate in any at all really kills this season for me. Like you said I hope they sort out the match-making issues.
On the topic of solo wait times, I was playing a day or two ago and was told by the hourglass 2-4 mins and proceeded to sit there under water for about 15 mins
I think Rare need to implement system where we can see what rank we are (Stone - Onyx, or something like that). It would be great to see your crew progressing alongside give you an idea of what level of crews you should be up against.
I like to think my crew is competent. But lately all we've had is exceptionally hard fights which we lose the majority of and still the challengers keep getting tougher.
I feel like the distance between the brigs and the galleons are too close. Just separating them a bit further would help solve this problem personally. Otherwise, I have no other issues!! Great job Rare 👍
I think the biggest issue that's causing slow match making times is that they have divided the player base by 2 factions, and then that's further divided by crew sizes. If they allowed factions to match with themselves after 3/5 minutes, that would probably alleviate a lot of the ache players are feeling with trying to find a match. They could even reskin the enemy crew to be like "Dark Adventurer Athena" or something if it breaks lore immersion, kind of like how in OW you're never the Red Team.
I mean, they do tell you the waiting times, if one is much longer then the other then you can use the other faction.
@@paintspot1509 me and my 2 friends had a wait time of "less than 1 minute", but still had to wait over 45 minutes for the fight. its horrible
The duality of the blunder is that spamming them against the canon line is not skilled gameplay and quite cheesy, but at the same time the blunder is the only thing other than a rigging ball that effectively stops people from catching mast when you chain. You could argue that cannons can get this done, but this is not easy at all to do even at medium distance. You could argue that making blunderbombs only a throwable means u can just send a border when you hit chains to throw blunders from the water, but then what happens to solo slooping? I can just imagine it just becomes a test of whoever gets headshot by a cannon first (which it already pretty much is).
I had an impromptu alliance appear recently when my guardian sloop attacked a reaper sloop on our server, the reaper got invaded and we worked with the invading guardian to sink the reaper. Then both of our sloops saw a guardian brigantine get invaded so we went and helped them too. After that our two sloops sailed together for a while sinking invaders and sailing around while the four of us had a fun session.
Honestly just buffing the amount of supplies you can purchase would be nice to make the supplying times less obnoxious. Treat it like this: As you progress through the new PVP on demand system thing, it'll unlock the ability to purchase bulk supplies. There's a small, medium, and large supply you can buy from the shipwright, each unlocked by getting to a certain point in the level you are for the matchmaking system. The small ones are basically what we have now, cheap with a small boost in supplies. The medium ones would cost more, but they'd give you a much more considerable amount of supplies. And the large ones are going to cost quite a bit, but they'll be a much more significant amount of supplies given to you. That way as you play and rack up more W's, you get rewarded for it, as well as giving 400 million gold Gary over there something to dip his gold cursed hands into
They kinda did this to themselves with alliance servers. People want a way to play with just their group, and if you don't give them a way, a pack of groups will come together, and make their own way to play without having to pvp.
You can say "this is the nature of the game!" well, going against the nature of what the player wants, they will find a way to make it work for them.
PvPing alliance faction servers are gross tho. A way to fix that would be to merge both ships to different sessions after the fight.
pulling someone out of an alliance server breaks the entire fucking thing, so boom, it'll solve that issue. No server would want to spike after EVERY SINGLE FIGHT. It takes long enough as is.
I've asked several Alliance players, if they had a subscription to make your own session, with your own boats, would you pay for it, and almost every one I've talked to said yes.
The model is already there with Fallout 1st which some 76 players have and enjoy. THAT would also nip alliance servers in the butt. Just make the hourglass not work in these private sessions, and then guess what? that solves that issue too. The money is on the table. Rare would be foolish to pass it up.
Nip it in the bud* because the bud of a plant is the beginning it stands for stopping it before it starts 🤓
Fun fact blunders bombs dont randomly knock the boat around
That's always been my biggest gripe about sinking. Losing supplies is worse than losing loot IMO. Mainly because it's a huge time loss. They could just nerf the price for supplies. And honestly 18k for a storage crate is bogus if you ask me..... More like 5k would be ideal.
They don't have to nerf or change anything. All they have to do is make it so when you sink in pvp, you retain your supplies. Problem solved. You still have to resupply eventually but that's part of the game and a non-issue. The issue is having to do it every single fight.
@@War450 exactly my point
I'd say you nailed 4 of the major issues I've been having for the past week. Long wait times, too big of a fight ring, materials in general, and alliance cheeses. But, I'd say there's 1 more issue in my eyes.. I feel like the reward for participating isn't high enough. So, I enjoy PvP. But, I'm not the greatest at it. I REALLY want the Blessing of Athena. That being said, I'll get into a solo sloop fight that'll last roughly 2 hours and end up sinking. (Oh well) But, I check my level only to find out that after 2 hours of straight navel combat (and more due to grabbing materials) I only got 1/4th a level.. That's too low considering the time and effort. I hope they at least buff the amount to a half a level participating and more winning. That way it wouldn't be nearly as nasty of a grind considering you have to have 75 Reapers or PL.
Is it faster to level up by doing PvE for the factions?
Unfortunately not.. If you go on the defensive route and stack loot to defend from other players and sink you only get 1/6th a point instead of 1/4th. It's better just to dive and go on the offensive. Less time prepping your lose. I mean, unless you're REALLY good at PvP. But, it's a harder risk vs reward route.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness Only good side with stacking loot is you gain 1k Gold per Grade of Loot you defend. And you can decide were to fight.
Well AShinyRay, I have to say I disagree with some of your desired changes, but agree with others.
1) Blunderbombs:
are the great equalizer for newbies/casuals against pro-player double-gunning sweat lords! And even though they can be spammy, they don't make holes in a ship, break masts, or otherwise ruin one's ability to fight... In fact, if they spam them, I actually call for everyone to just stay off cannons. They're a useful tool, but one not to be used lightly before you really need them. Because both sides have access to it and the mechanics surrounding it haven't changed from the Adventure experience, there's not much an issue to me on that. Sloop's changes to not get knocked off as easily are fine too and shouldn't be touched in the coming reworks to the on-demand battle experience. The AoE is probably strong, but the whole purpose of the shot is meant to sink a ship which has holes unrepaired and drain food for easier kills with fire and cannonshot. We see what happens between fairly evenly matched ships who can't sink, but a few well placed blunderbombs turns that tide. And since not everyone is a boarding maniac, they need to stay as cannonable shot.
2) Supplying:
is a factor of adventure. What Rare ought to do is get barrels' amounts up again and barrel restock timers reduced. And if you had an invasion, allow you to resupply at an outpost you've been to OR spawned at. Since invasions happen suddenly and matchmakers want to get out there faster... More supplies per barrel, per island. It still takes a player to get them, it doesn't magically get on your ship. This hasn't been a complaint that went off quietly before, and my own suggestion of supply crates for purchase and for draining/filling barrels did come in handy to speed up the rate at which a ship supplies itself. The point is to be prepared and constantly prepare. - I often saw many ships just quick sail without supplying, and while they were a bit easier to fight, it wasn't an instant win, seeing as they can board and grab your tools of the trade to fight you with.
I would NEVER want an even, fair fight. Its pirate-time and we fight dirty. No arena style same number of resources!~ YAR!
Rare just needs to stop having these "Check your balance" UI timers for purchases. Just give us the darn things already! No other online game I play does this. Or takes my time with as many clicks and "Okay, you got your stuff!" UI that I have to close!!! RAAAAHH!!!~
3) Battle Bounds:
Some have suggested timed decreases to size for lengthier battles. Either 30 or 60 minutes. Just to help encourage the intensity of a fight for its conclusion. SoT battles are not short all the time, but the longest ones need help... That's all that should change.
4) Matchmaking:
I agree, it would be nice to matchmake a bit differently so you're not sitting around endlessly. Specifically, keep sailing while waiting for a match AND then get a quick alarm to get back into place to prep for their invasion. Like a "Ready Up" state before diving for an invasion.
5) Alliance Servers:
I will submit that alliance servers and Discord Spiking or takeovers do need to be addressed somehow. Though in my experience on the seas so far with this update (albeit limited) wherein I did make an alliance while sailing for the flame, it was completely organic and my allies all died when I got invaded then *they* got invaded too at the same time. I have not personally seen alliances straight up win in this case. But these occasions are something of an outlier that can prove strong evidence to the better crew actually tackling things. And they have to remember too, if one of those ships goes down with an active hourglass, they permanently lost that ally until they locate and convince a crew to let their buds back in. - Rare has some options, but none are easily implemented in this case. The problem is largely player-oriented, not game-oriented, so fixing that comes with a cost somewhere.
Honestly, I was expecting every one of these takes to be horrendous due to your excessive lack of drip and controller usage, but you proved me wrong. Not only did you highlight the major issues plaguing this otherwise excellent update. But you provided some great options for fixes as well. Not to mention you're pretty damn good for a controller player. Respect.
So here's my take on some of the issues brought up.
1) Blunderbombs - Rather than make them unusable in cannons entirely, maybe work down to that in stages after some playtesting. I would suggest increasing the loading time of blunderbombs by about 25% and I'm going to also suggest something that Left 4 Dead 2 implemented in regards to melee spam. In that game, after 5 repeated melee attacks, an increasing cooldown timer got implemented ranging from 0.5 seconds all the way up to 2.5 seconds if I remember correctly. In Sea of Thieves, repeated blunderbombs shot from a cannon would incur a cooldown that gets longer and longer the more they are repeatedly loaded. This way, the tool itself isn't changed, just the way in we we use the tool.
2) Supplies - I am against changing the supply situation in the sense of having instanced supplies specifically for the battles. And it's for the reason you bring up. That is, it's more Arena-like. In Arena, your ship sinking wasn't necessarily the end of the fight. The primary goal wasn't to sink others, it was to put points on a leaderboard before time ran out. To that end, having a well stocked ship was essential to quickly get you back into the fight of that rigidly-timed competition. My suggestion of a solution for the Season 8 PvP is a little more ambitious.
Expand the Seaposts. Add a shipwright to them that offers supplies for sale, perhaps even supply crates for sale, and throw an extra 8 to 10 barrels on them. Make them almost like mini-outposts. Seaposts already have bounty boards, like outposts and spawning back in at a place with a shipwright just seems...right to me. So for those who've just suffered a loss can quickly purchase more supplies and hopefully get back into the fight faster. This would hopefully also help with the matchmaking times. I would also suggest after a loss you ALWAYS spawn back in at either an Outpost or Seapost.
Obviously these ideas would need tweaking and iterations and testing, but I think these are much more in line with the spirit of the PvP mechanic that was made to take place in the Adventure mode.
Would love to hear your feedback on these suggestions.
I agree with you, Blunder bombs make it hard for the other crew to even try to win the battle, especially when on brig/gally. I also feel like, players should beable to bring other players flag from one game to another, when pvp.
The alliance server thing is so nasty, I was on a brig fighting another brig with 5 people...
@@armaanbrar6406 uh, was it two days ago by a fort of fortune fort, several sloops and brigs? :D
@@Flemacy it was at a fort..but not two days ago
I agree with everything you said and I will add two points. 1) If they make a set supplies for every battle, there will be more people going into matchmaking so maybe rare doesn't need to give more information about the status of the queue, because you will be finding faster matches. 2) Alliances camping invading ships is something that should be allowed, it's annoying but people should be able to rat victories. But, alliances should be able to invade other alliances too. That alone would be epic af. Furthermore, battles with unbalanced number of ships should get buffs or nerfs to their stats or supplies. And, for every ship taken down, the hourglass should have it's value incremented.
I'm a little late to the party, but for me, the three most things that hurt this season for me are:
- The distinct lack of Reaper's Bones cosmetics compared to Athena's Fortune. It feels like Rare put 90% of their cosmetic development on Athena's Fortune.
- Blunderbombs. I am sick and tired of running into trash talking asshats that think they're hot shit, when they spammed blunderbombs endlessly, or as soon as I even began to hit them 2-3 times. It's very apparent who would be greatly effected by a blunderbomb nerf. For some, it's a MASSIVE crutch and it's just straight up annoying.
- Matchmaking Times. I am sick and tired of sitting in the tunnel for an endless period of time, even during what should be considered "prime time". SBMM is not good for this game. I don't care who I fight. I don't want to sit in the tunnel for half an hour. Getting consistent fights has been a struggle and has been few and far between.
The only time I fought an invader with a allianced ship was when they were nearby when u got invaded. And they came over by them selves.
what really boiled my blood was that when i was soloing servants a person trapped me in the shroud and just got an instant loss as they just sat at the shores of gold doing nothing this happened twice
I think the blunder bombs should remain shootable from cannons - but they should function much closer to how they do when thrown, ie: nerf only the cannon-version. Since the thrown ones don't knock ships the same way, and I'm pretty sure the cannon-shot ones also get a bigger AoE. Make the canon version closer to the thrown one (or even just matching it entirely with no added effects/changes), with a smaller aoe than it currently has and less impact.
Also, I think the first bit of the out-of-bounds area should probably remain pretty soft, but ramp up much more quickly. The main issue is that it can be difficult to tell where the boundary is currently, so I think of the first area as sort of like the way the ground changes near the edge of a baseball field, so people can tell they're running out of space before they hit a wall that they can't see. It would maybe be neat if Rare could put some clear visual effects around the ring of the arena - at least visible to the two ships involved. If they did that I'd support making crossing the line small amounts much more punishing.
We could also maybe support different arena sizes for different ship classes. With sloops getting slightly smaller arenas. The other potential solution I liked to help curb the "running away forever" was a shrinking arena, but not like you're imagining. Not a battle-royale style where the arena eventually closes up. Instead, just once or twice, after a couple of minutes each, the arena shrinks by like 10-15%, that's it. And after the shrink it doesn't change again afterwards. So if fights do go on for a long time it'll make it easier to reach an end at least.
laaastly - I absolutely agree to wishing nothing but bananas onto the alliance ambush players, and Rare /should/ definitely change things, such as making it so you can't faction up while already in an alliance. (though this doesn't actually fix the real problem. Ships could still work together to ambush without being an official alliance) - maybe instead making it so defenders won't get invaded if they're near another ship (and also blocking alliances still too). BUT, this is Rare's fault and Rare's problem. I don't want to be on the receiving end of an alliance ambush, but I do not support banning/punishing players for optimizing the game with the tools that the game itself gives them. Blame the devs, not the players, imo.
"if you do this, you are the weakest type of player" my brother in christ, you are playing a pirate game
One big issue I keep encountering is almost every ship I fight, sails over to the edge of the arena, puts sails up and just waits. Then nothing happens for like 20 minutes
Regarding supplies, rather than Arena-style presets, I'd like to just be able to keep whatever was in my barrels when I sank. An even simpler fix that would make me happy: Make us respawn at outposts so we can stock up quickly and get back in the fray! Right now it is much faster to just start a new game than sail to an outpost.
The only issue I have with the season is how grueling the grind for the new curses is. Not everyone enjoys pvp, and the fact the 2 most requested curses are locked behind a pvp mode sucks. Especially for how long it takes. It took me 2 weeks of constantly playing the game, only taking breaks to eat, going to the bathroom, and sleeping to get the skeleton curse. Rare needs to lower the grind
Rather than give ships arena-style supplies, all Rare has to do is make it so you don't lose your supplies when sunk in pvp. You'd obviously still lose supplies when sunk normally. But when you lose a pvp match you should keep your supplies. As that's the real issue here. It's losing your supplies after a loss. Taking time to supply up is part of adventure mode, and this pvp is still part of adventure mode, it isn't arena. So long as they don't take our supplies after every single loss we can continue to queue up until we've exhausted our supplies through combat, then take a break to resupply and then get back into the fight.
“I wish all your barrels be filled with bananas”
Possibly the harshest sea of thieves quote I’ve ever heard 🤣👌🏻
I play sea of thieves and love the pvp here is a tip to beat the alliance guys just get more friends and alliance yourself make a fleet like irl (cant really hate on somone for having more friends then you or being more social) :D
I had no idea about the alliance servers until I was playing as reaper, joined an alliance and got a match. I wondered what would happen and quickly realized this was very unfair for the other crew. This definitely is the most important issue that has to change. Just prevent boats with alliance to get a match.
He is right on all but the last one, its a faction war, having a faction armada makes sense and makes more of an rp element
no cannon blunder bombs is honestly something I 100% agree with. It's obnoxious to deal with a constant volley of "lol you don't get to play the game while my mates board you because one cannoner on blunders is still op"
they should always be something built so a gunner can make space or a boarding party can cause chaos on deck once they're already there.
I exclusively use blunder bombs for boarding so I think cutting off the ability to cannon them is alright
Also it’s really easy to get supplies. Want my advice? Buy supplies from an outpost, take a storage crate, and loot the entire outpost.
It nets you loads of food and cannons in like 5-10 minutes.
On the first day, my friend and I were dueling a Guardian sloop while we were sunk by a Servant galleon
honestly feel like the blunder issue would resolve if the "set supplies" idea was implemented. Blunders could stay unchanged, but each crew would only get 5-10 of them for the whole fight
As a primarily PvE guy, even I don't really love discord alliance servers. Someone invited me to one once (this was back in the day just for loot, not for pvp cheese), but I left after one time checking it out as it just felt cheaty. As for the blunderbombs in cannons, I'd be down for making throwables be throwable only. Always seemed kinda weird that you can load these clearly glass bottles into a cannon.
i've heard the argument that blunderbombs should be limited to 3 in a pocket at a time, countered by also being able to carry 3 firebombs simultaneously. i think i can get behind it. granted, nothing is stopping people from keeping a storage crate beside their cannon loaded with them (which would likely become the meta). but holy hell, knockback seems so much more intense this season than it used to.
Great assessment! I can see where the podcast script came from! 👍🏼
Gotta recycle those ideas!
I do agree with the set supplies idea. It would definitely help with diving right back into the mode without having to waste time gathering again.
I disagree. The set supplies makes things more of an Arena fight again, AND there's no dirty tricks. I want my 3 hour adventure (where I supplied to fend off invaders) to have a good chance at beating the other guys!
2:40 or do like me, lure the enemy close to the edge, board them, turn the wheel so they sail to the edge, keep them out of the wheel till their hourglass explode
the biggest issue is the supplies tbh. you spend a long time getting supplies, head into battle and then fight someone who never gets off the game, sinking you in seconds, only making you repeat the cycle if getting sups just to sink in seconds again. they need to give at least a bit if supplies back to you if you sink so you can properly grind this already hard to level up system they put into action
i had a server alliance pvp - was curious to see what happened.
Ended up having a 2v2 and our side lost. As in two Athena sloops, vs two Reaper Sloops.
It was glorious. 10/10, would recommend making that happen if you can.
My duo and I sunk an entire alliance server in the old arena days and WE got banned for a week because they mass reported us. By far I feel that the alliancing in season 8 has to be dealt with first, we are almost to 100-0 and if our first time sinking in over a year comes because of a discord alliance it will be a very sad day.
I think the issue is that the matchmaking is based on percentages. A swabbie team who has won 1 match has a win rate of 100%. However, an actually good galleon crew that’s won 19 matches and lost 1 has a win rate of 95%. So those two crews are matched against each other.
The issue is that they aren’t counting the amount of wins, they’re just contributing to a percentage. So it’s a bad early solution, but as time goes on it will get better. They need to change it now though, because now is the early game so it will not work correctly.
Here's a big issues I've encountered that you didn't cover. There are people who wait for others to invade them and run into the shores of gold tall tale area
Yup, had that too. They're just waiting there, out of reach (for both cannonballs and swimming players, since they blackscreen). They probably use a tool to give random inputs to avoid lazybeard. It's so cheap and they deserve to have their whole progress with the factions resetted.
I have a different idea, that can even be logically explained. What if loading blunder bombs and fire bombs was, let's say 50% slower than loading cannons. In that case if you hit the enemy crew while they are loading blunders you have more of a chance to stop them and the explanation is simple. Blunder bombs and fire bombs are made of glass so they need to be loaded more carefully.
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I agree but the firebombs don’t have to be nerfed
@@PiercetheUnshucked because they are similar I added them to that idea too but they don't have to be nerfed as well.
I'm with you on all accounts, especially your proposed solution for supplies. I tried playing on a galleon in the new mode for the first time and it's a night and day difference compared to supplying up in solo queue.
"Flameheart wept" gets me every time
You know you’re spittin facts when Reaper Ron agrees with you 🏴☠️
Agree with all these points. But as an almost exclusively pve player, I was hoping the release of this update would lessen the pvp interactions or reaper interactions. Unfortunately have noticed an increase in these bouts.
Completely agree with what you said about blunderbombs, however I completely disagree with your take on supplies. If people want to supply up they have a right to use the supplies they earned in the fight. All I’m asking for is more DEFAULT supplies when ships spawn in. (Ex: sloop has 40 cannonballs by default rn, make that double or something) set ship supplies would take away so much immersion and I don’t want it
Ive had things like that happen where i was on a 3 sink streak and then dived into an alliance and got pummeled by like three ships. its so annoying and Rare really needs to add something like if you pledge alliegence to either faction, you cannot offer nor join an alliance because that would make the pvp so much better
I like the battle bounds being forgiving. It invites more scenarios where the environment will be relevant. And makes the mode less frustrating for newer players.
But having done some solo slooping; the mode desperately needs a way to settle stale mates.
Perhaps making everything do more damage after a certain amount of time (a sort of sudden death situation). Or spawning in loot like; wraith balls or kegs.
Also maybe make alliances a part of the mode. Like if there are multiple people of the same side within the bounds, the attacker will spawn in with another queuing ship (similar to dark sould). Could be a fun thing to see every now and then.
I second spawning in some kegs.
I love me some keg plays.
I have regularly sat and waited multiple times for literally over an hour to get one match. There was one time I had a full galleon and we played for 2 hours. No invasions. I've recently also not even been able to get rando crews together for a galleon, always only getting a single person in 20 minutes. There are days I get a full 5 stack of loot and no invasions. It feels like the entire system is broken.
I'm quite happy with this update but yea I'd love to see the supply suggestion u made would that be close to what arena was? Yes. Is that a bad thing? No. Arena is dead and was flawed yes but there were very nice features in arena that should be salvaged rather than forgotten
it would be fun if there are multiple ships in proximity - multiple invaders will spawn in.
Yes there's server limit still, but having a 3v3 sounds like insane fun
As a slooper and loses alot of pvp supplies are an issue. I got lucky after a fight I went to a outpost and found so much loot from a player when they left. so many chests with cannonballs and other goodies and I figured id be all set but once I got to another match the player sailed my ship into the anti-running border and won instantly and two hundred cannonballs were lost under twenty seconds. I lost alot of gold just constantly buying supplies
edit: forget barrier size! They need to make it so enemy ships cant just board your ship and steer it outside the border for an easy win, its so annoying when reapers act like its skill saying "all hail flameheart" when they only got the cheap when by killing me and sailing my ship outside the boarder. It's abuse of the mechanic and cheating
I do agree with the supplies often being an issue, resulting in me getting a little more... ahem..
creative. with my choosing of battlegrounds. I tend to sail solo on a brig (I know, its dumb. but I just like my brig too much), which obviously gets me put up against larger crews than myself. Tis a nice challenge, at the very least - one best solved by picking your fights, to an extend. ..By not activating your hourglass til you've reached a comfortable location for you to fight in, say like. You know. A storm. Or the Coral Fortress with its storm and reef combo. The ship diving out from the waves has no idea what's awaiting them when they rise - but you do.
Running low on supplies aint an issue when your enemy tears itself apart on hidden reefs in a storm ;)
I haven't seen anyone else say it, but DONT LET PVP PARTICIPANTS FIX ENEMY SHIPS. Me and my friends very first match was against a much better crew who thought it would be more fun to fix our ship and just spawncamp us until we scuttled. We had been prepared to take losses, but forcibly having to give up really soured the mood for the evening.
The problem with PVP in this game is things that other games dealt with a long time ago. The PVP queue needs to actually have some pairing logic applied to it. That means if you arent an advanced PVP player you shouldnt be paired against double gunning sweaties. PVP overall needs a revamp, it works when you can run off and be opportunistic, is rather dumb when you have a queue system.
My biggest issues are the registration issues and the game just straight up doing the opposite of what I wanted to happen. If I click on blunders to load then into the cannon, the game will instead load a chain.
I wish they'd intergrate the mechanics of multiple ships going into a battle all on the same team. That would really make battles more interesting, sort of like a fleet but with players?
I was solo slooping and spawned into two ships that were allied against me. I was trapped and held out as long as I could.