I have an accurized stainless Caspian 1911 I've had for over 20 yrs. I paid 400 for it and Colts were selling for around 500 at the time. The only thing I've changed is modifying the frame to barrel feed ramp. It will eat anything I put in it. I would've had 750 to 800 in it if it had been the Colt with the same mods. I still love it
I've had good experiences with less expensive 1911's. I had a Rock Island armory "Tactical" version (skeletonized hardware and novak sights) and I loved it. Sold it to a friend and bought a Springfield GI 1911 and I love it too. From what I have seen and heard from friends who have them most of the value 1911's are pretty good stuff. I'm not a good enough shooter to likely get ANY improvements in my groups out of a $2500 Wilson Combat or even a $1000 colt so I just stick with buying the stuff that I want whether it be what I consider to be a great value 1911 or the Springfield GI model which was a little, but not much, more expensive.
It does strike me as a bit funny that the 1911, which established its place in legend as a piece of military hardware designed to be effectively mass-produced by the lowest-bidding manufacturers, now has so many people thinking that only one or two elite companies can build a worthy version of the pistol.
When you buy a $12-1500 or more 1911. Then compare it to that $350 one. And you will see a huge difference in craftsmanship. Which you will notice again, when you shoot it. I'm not knocking the cheaper ones, they definitely have their place in the marketplace. But so do the high end ones.
+ChrisHallett83 Kimber is one of a few guns out there that I feel is way over hyped and way over priced. Loose doesn't always mean reliable. And most of the 1911s that were still in service up to Vietnam were worn out, clapped out garbage. Hence the comment about the Army, Navy, Marine service armorers needing get to swap this part for that part. I have worked on and shot several brand new 1911s from both of the world wars, yes built then and barely shot, and they are by no means loose or rattley. And the argument about what makes and does not make a good 1911 will rage on for years. Go look up the Meusoc (sp?) 1911 or why Colt made a dark earth rail version. Ask someone like Larry Vickers what goes into a good 1911. Back when the Browning 1911 (1909) was created, they built guns the old fashioned way mostly by hand. Just the way a full custom is today. Yes, CNC has vastly narrowed the gap on semi-custom 1911s. BUT when you are running guns down an assembly line and want all of the parts to fit any gun on the line, then you have to let tolerances slip. There is a reason that Nighthawk, Ed Brown, Les Baer, Wilson Combat and others cost more. They cost more to produce as a good custom or semi-custom should. It is the same old song, you get what you pay for. Rolex or Timex will still tell you the time. A $300-400 Phillipines 1911 will put lead down range. So will a Hip ointment. If most anyone spends any real time with 1911s and gets hooked, then it is only a matter of time usually before they want to upgrade. As I said, buy what you can afford and do your research. But, there are good ones and not so good ones. That is why everyone is going to plastic framed guns. They can't sell full steel guns that cost $500 or more to build and stay competitive. Hence the off shore manufacturing. Rock Island makes some decent guns.
I tend to side with the other guy in regards to this topic and I do believe both of you are referring to clearances not tolerances. tolerance is how far out of spec a part can be before it no longer works. Clearance is the amount of space between parts. The 1911 always has to maintain within a pretty close tolerance to be build correctly but the clearances can be left looser. John Browning designed the gun to have loose clearance particularly between the slide and frame which is why older ones from the wars rattle when they are cleaned but nothing appears to be wrong with them mechanically when inspected. The reason for the loose clearance is a soldier on a battlefield is not going to take the time to clean it as often and will most certainly wind up in a situation where debris is allowed to get into the action. When these clearances are closed up like in custom high end 1911's the debris has no where to go and results in the gun being less reliable in a combat situation. Most people who own high end 1911's will never see a battlefield so these clearances can be closed up for a smoother working gun. The high end ones have nothing wrong with them as long as they are kept completely cleaned. So if talking about a combat situation the high end 1911's fail big time in that field and can never be used in a battle if you don't want to hear bang bang click the GI cheap style that the clearances are loose on are guns that excel in combat because of their reliability. Kalashnikov, Browning and even Stoner all realized the clearance played a big part in the reliability of the weapon and every wartime example of these engineers designs reflect this. With the M4 the upper usually is a little sloppy, with the AK the whole thing is sloppy, and with the 1911 the slide to frame fit is sloppy but again these are only wartime example. Nowadays people are closing these clearances for recreational shooting because the guns are cleaned more frequently and the clearance is no longer required. Just voicing my opinion not trying to argue with anyone and both guns are designed for completely different situations but if someone took a high end 1911 and subjected it to the same environment of a battlefield it would fail where the cheap ones would still be running. The high end ones are definitely very pretty gun and work very smoothly but they still have a downfall.
Thank you for a fine video. I have been using a 1911 for nearly 50 years. I have learned several new checks. Not that I didn't know how the 1911 worked, but easy quick checks.
30 yrs ago, I caught a sale on the Colt 1911 but while in the store (San Francisco no less; how times have changed), gun in my hand, another patron showed me the qualitative differences between the Colt and the Springfield. I walked out the store with the Springfield and never regretted it. It was and still is a nail gun. Only .45 I've found to shoot better is my Ruger Blackhawk convertible revolver.
You're not going to see the differences by weighing them or looking at the outside. The internals and the quality of the build materials are the difference. The internals of the Colt are likely to be more finished. You'll probably find small burs on the Tisas's internals where you won't on the Colt. Also something you could've shown easily was the feed ramp of the barrel. This would have shown that either both or just one of the ramps was polished. The Tisas will work fine, but it's like the difference in buying a circular saw and a worm drive circular saw. The circular saw will cut wood, but the worm drive saw will be cutting wood still in 25 years when the regular saw is in the landfill. Also of consideration is the value retention. My brother just sold a Colt 1911 from the 50s for around $1,500. Good luck with getting that kind of return on a Tisas in 60 years; regardless of whether or not it's just as good a gun.
Yes...but ( crap here we go:-) any used gun with the exception of VERY few depreciates as soon as it is purchased. Even if it sells for more than the original price..taking in inflation..most " retention value" is still a loss. Now figure in amount of use and enjoyability in both..price retention ... again with a few exceptions.. comes out pretty close.
My first 1911 was inherited from my dad. US Navy WWII he carried it 3 years in the South Pacific campaign. Thanks for the test info, cuz I'm looking for an every-day shooter.
Great comparison. I've been looking at acquiring a 45ACP 1911 and this was very helpful regarding... "Should I blow my whole wad? Or look at a cheaper option" Thank you for your honest and straight forward video's, Sir.
My first 1911 needed to be sent back to Colt for repairs right out the box. Bought it in 1971. I still have a Colt Series 70, Also have a Target grade Kimber.
Great video and I like your "results and money" outlook, it is refreshing to watch your videos. I have a RIA FS A1 and it has been great and FUN to shoot.
I have an ATI and I am extremely surprised on how well of a fit and solid it's made. The only problem I ran into was jamming due to the crappy ACT mag, which I replaced with MecGars. I compared it to a Remington and Para Ordnance and both looked subpar to the ATI. The ATI fit and finish closely resembles a Springfield that I compared to.
@@christopherguerrero3409 Good question. Without a doubt, my favorite is the 70 series MK IV gold cup natiknal match. Just the smoothest, ergonomic, accurate 45 ever.
Extremely well done review on the 1911! Thank you for doing this. I have several 1911's. My favorite is the Colt Series 70 Government Model. Why is it my favorite? Because it's a Colt. That means the history of the weapon plays a major role in my love for the Colt 1911 .45 automatic. Your video will make me a good deal more picky as to why I love the Colt other than its history. Thank y9ou for doing this comparison. Your work with this is top-notch. Andy McKane, Molokai.
I bought a Metro Arms 1911. It shot great, but the finish was crap had to have it duracoated. Then it started not going back into battery. Had to send it off to get it fixed. Get this Metro Arms would not pay to ship it back as it "was the owner's responsibility to send it to an authorized gunsmith." Really? I have never had to pay to send a gun back for warranty work. So after getting it back with no explanation of what was causing the malfunction I had to email the gunsmith to find out if he fixed it and what was wrong. Really? What it comes down to is you are better off paying a little more for a reliable weapon that the company will stand behind. So I bought a Colt Combat Commander which is what I should have done in the first place.
A $40 part will make the Tissas run rings around that Colt. Wilson Dyer Group Gripper. Try one. Increase in accuracy is dramatic. It includes a full-length guide rod with open end guide rod bushing. A new barrel link that you knock out the pin, replace it with. It forces a tighter lock up of barrel to frame fit and tightens up your groups. Would also suggest Wilson springs and a set of nylon shock buffs that save your frame from wear. All cheap insurance. Flat back checkered mainspring housing. Be good for Tissas as well at about $15. Brownell's has a whole catalog for 1911's. The RIA (Rock Island Armory) is another reasonable alternative with good track record. Best out of box accuracy I've ever seen was Springfield 1911-A1 G.I. version Parkarized. Watched a competition shooter stack 5 rounds into 1/2" at 25yds. 200grn conical SWC lead bullet, 4.5grn Bullseye powder. Happy shooting.
Bought my first Colt when I was 18. (well, my dad actually bought it for me...) but I remember saving for it for what seemed like a lifetime! I'm now 55, but its still something I cherish. Hey, if you're a guy just buying guns to have another one, go for it. But if you really want a Colt, don't settle for a knock-off just to save a few bucks. I doubt it will ever seem worth it.
@@jaybiggs7021 I think that was with the 1905 and when the army wanted changes colt got JMB to help develop exactly what the government wanted. If I remember right the grip safety was a government add on and they went from the 200gr bullets to the 230gr. So if he was working with colt they would be considered the original along with JMB.
The first 1911 I shot was my brother’s Kimber. ( old factory, not the new one) Based on that experience, when I came across a lightly used Springfield I bought it. My brother’s gun functioned flawlessly and accurately with any ammunition that I put in it. The Springfield did not. Beyond a few appearance details, they functionally looked the same. So I investigated why they didn’t work the same. I looked at various brands of 1911s from the cheapest to the most expensive. From original ww1 actual 1911s to the newest 1911-a1 models. From whatever no name brand to Colt, Kimber, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk or custom guns, the biggest difference beyond price and pretty was the amount of hand fitting the better guns had. So I set my gun next to my brother’s gun. With dial calipers, my dremel, sandpaper and polishing compound I made mine function as well as my brother’s. I didn’t touch the trigger. His is still a little better than mine, but it wasn’t broken, so I left it alone. For a base model 1911, you are paying for the hand fitting, and maybe a little for quality parts vs mim parts. So if you’re handy and not interested in the custom details, you can make the cheaper gun function as well as the high end models. As needed, if parts break or wear just replace them with better parts. Happy plinking 👍😎
I just drench the inside of the slide with dish soap and baby powder then manually rack the slide a couple hundred times and let it lap itself in takes the grittiness right out of the machining marks on the slide and frame
Got a M1911 ,A1 , overall condition, including the barrel, in very good condition, considering it's age. Replaced all the internal springs. Shoots straight as an arrow, I love this piece of W.W. 2 history. I will pass it to my son if he wants it. Paid close to 3000 here in Australia. Gets the attention of fellow pistol club members as there's not many here.
I looked at so many 1911s when I was looking to buy my first one. And i really liked the tisas. I also liked the rock island. However, if you want the best quality in 1911. Buy the colt first, Springfield second place. Alot of these cheaper companies use MIM parts and that's how they keep the price down. They just dont hold up over time as well as the colts.
I am pleased to see a video such as this one. It will do justice for the beginners and not too proud armatures. Viewers searching for answers as to what they can get for the money will find that they don’t have to have a brand name manufacture weapon right out the gate as they enter the world for protection.On the other hand, there is not a real test of time on the Tisas 1911. Due to the job I did (now retired) I may have considered the Tissa as a weapon for back up in the home or car. I choose a Commander Colt and still carry it after 5,000 rounds without mishap over the past 24 yrs. Still, this is a very thoughtful presentation. -Rick B. Florida
Just happened across this vlog1 Right on! I'm an Hawaii expat living in Michigan. Traded Kokohead range for my back yard, so I can shoot anytime! I totally agree with your premis about buying quality vs. name brand. My favorite 1911 is a Norinco. I carry it on occasion and it has been nothing but reliable and accurate, not to mention better quality than the Colts from the 80's. Keep up the good work brah!
I love my Colt and to me it is money well spent. That being said , it is the most standarized production gun in the world. As a matter of fact, when reviewed by the government, before appoving the 1911, they took apart 3 1911s made by three different manufactures shookup the parts and reassembled three guns. All the parts are interchangeable and all three guns funtioned perfectly.
I have had a few 1911s. I always wanted a Colt, wanted that "pony" on the slide. I finally saved up and purchased a Colt "1991" 1911. I was very disappointed. The Colt had a plastic grip safety and a plastic trigger, rubber grip. Man, for over $800, Colt could at least have all metal parts like the other manufacturers. The Colt did not shoot as well as others I have owned,and had failures to fire and stove piped a lot. So I sold it and purchased a Rock Island 1911 like the one I had before the Colt. Absolutely no problems with the Rock Island, and about $400 less. I have owned ,Rock Island, Auto Ordnance, Remington R, and others, all were better guns then the Colt. Colt is just a name now ,living on a good reputation from the distance past, like Cadillac .At leased that has been my experience,for what its worth.
I have 2 Colt 1911’s. One is five years old, the other 3 years old. Neither have any plastic parts. Also have 3 Rock Island 1911’s. All five are great but 1911’s occasionally require a little tuning. The Colt Government model would stove pipe initially maybe every hundred rounds or so. I did a little research and tuned the extractor and now thousands of rounds without any issues. The Commander was perfect out of the box but I did a trigger job on it and changed a couple of other parts to meet my particular preference. One of the Rock Island pistols I bought used and has been great but was definitely modified from stock and has been very reliable. I bought a Rock Island 1911 38 Super and it would not load a single round into battery, jammed every single round. Fortunately has excellent customer service. I called them and told them what was happening with the 38 Super. They sent me a shipping label, fixed the problem, fitted a 9mm barrel and got it back to me in less than 2 weeks. I have no complaints with Colt or RIA pistols. Just takes a bit of time to get to know them.
The thing with buying American-Made 1911's is that you're paying for an American Salary. A Colt 1911 could be lower quality than a RIA 1911, but will cost more because Americans are paid more. A single dollar goes a lot further in Turkey and the Philippines than it does in the USA, so a $600 dollar 1911 from Tisas or Rock Island could offer a lot more in quality-per-dollar than its American counterparts can simply because Joe Blow needs $30 per hour to assemble your 1911, meanwhile Ahmet in Turkey or Filipe in the Philippines don't require nearly the same amount of wages for the same amount of work. the only thing superior in american guns is potentially better tooling and machining, but even my Tisas 1911a1 looks better than lots of "american made" 1911's i've seen.
@@Sneedmeister Bottom line is when you pay 30% or 40& more for a product ,you expect to get a better product . Case in point ; I just purchased a Charter arms 22cal Pathfinder revolver ,made in the U.S.A. Spent rounds don't eject properly and cylinder locked up after 35 rounds. I disassembled it and fixed the lock up problem. This gun cost me over $400. I cleaned it and sold it for a loss. You can check You tube and find other people have had the same problems. I just bought a Rock Island AL22 revolver . From past experience,I'm pretty sure this revolver will be a good one. So here is the thing ,Do you,as a consumer ,want to pay way more for a gun that is inferior to a gun that is better in many ways ,Be political correct and buy American from a company that uses parts made in other countries . A company that really doesn't care about you ,really.
Right now in Canada a Colt government barebones model is $1299. I can get the Springfield milspec model for $799. I can't see the justification in spending the extra $$. Its seems to me that if you are looking for an American made forged model Springfield is the way to go and if you don't care about made in America the Tisas and Taurus are both winners from what I've seen on the internets.
After 20yrs + U.S. Infantry,,,1911 are and ALWAYS will be my alltime favorite..Excellant war and work horse.....Thank you for the informative video...Loved it...
When I first went in my first tour with the Marines I got to use, shoot, carry the 1911 Colt 45. These things were old and it was solid and always an expert on it. But then they tried selling us on the Beretta 9mm and didn’t take, I was expert but-I kept my 1911 Colt 45. I’m actually looking for a government issue one if anyone out knows of one!!
I can’t say I’d choose one 1911 from the other but I’ve got 26 years of LE carry and training. I’ve trained with and owned a lot of firearms. About 2 years back I bought a 1911 .45 Colt light weight Commander. It has Novak sights which I prefer. I’ve got to say it is about the nicest sidearm to shoot and the most accurate. I paid $900 (out the door) and I’d do it again in heartbeat. I own 2 S&W, Glock, Taurus, another Colt and Walther. This 1911 is my favorite.
I’m sure the Filipino, Turkish and Brazilian 1911s can run plenty accurate and reliable. I would look at what parts are MIM(injection molded steel) vs. tool steel. Colt will at least have tool steel where it is needed most, high impact, in the Hammer and slide release/stop. You can always get all the parts you want replaced with tool steel but some of them will require fitting that’s left better for experienced gun smiths. Some of the parts where it’s a good idea to have tool steel as well are the sear, disconnecter, barrel link, extractor and firing pin block. Firing pin too unless you get a titanium one, like you should on a series 70 style, oh, and make sure all the pins are tool steel. It all adds up if you want something serious that will last. If you don’t care about any of that and just want to experience owning 1911 and don’t want to break the bank then those other options will work just fine. Their are 1911s for many different budgets.
The chemistry teacher in me has to correct a statement you made about the correct reading of your scale. You were reading the scale as a decimal equivalent, like it weighs 2.36 lbs, but the scale showed 2lbs 3.6 oz. they are not the same thing. Other than that I enjoyed your video and your light style of delivery. I'm a big fan of the 1911 platform and own the Springfield Armory TRP in stainless---- keep it up!
Bravo Carl....I've been waiting for somebody to lay this out. Then again, it you really want accurate or to the decimal point in weights, use the metric scale, it really is easier.
After 200 rounds all I see if trigger fatigue. What matters most in 'accuracy' from a defensive role is the first target. Further point; you did a trigger job, dropping the pull weight by a lb. below the colt, meaning that by round 195, it's easier to group. This does not = the cheaper 911 is 'more accurate'. It's modified, and easier to deal with after four boxes of ammo. However, they are really really close functionally and you are right in that there should not really be a =$400 price difference.
All I ever carried, and fired in the Army, 66-69 was the Colt, 1911 A1 .45 ACP. I'm not that big and it beat me up but I was still a very good shot with it. Years later, I bought a Ruger p90, .45 ACP and loved it. I can't say why it was not so harsh on me? The .45 ACP was designed to knock assailants down and set them back, and I had confidence that it would do that.
Good (older) review and comparison. Tisas is still a good, reliable entry level 1911 but some of us get addicted to 1911's and collect more of them which leads to Springfield, Colt etc. It is what it is on the accuracy. Trying different ammo may have different results. Question: Why did you replace the barrel link on the Tisas? Was there an issue?
good vid and i agree with you. the cheaper guns get a bad wrap because theyre cheap, not because of how they perform. i own a rock island armory 1911 that shoots like a dream. it runs hollow points, big game loads and target ammo without a hiccup. ive only ever had it fail to feed once and it was because of the magazine, not the gun. use your brain like youre doing and glad youre enjoying the sport of shooting.
I have a Springfield 1911A1 that I've had for 22 years. Stainless, 3 dot sights and Pachymeyr grips. Never jammed, accurate and still looks great. Never thought about buying another.
I bought a Colt series 80 in 1984, had it accurized and tricked out for IPSC competition. I’ve put thousands of rounds through it and it remains reliable and accurate. I wanted another shooter, stock, that I could potentially use for defense. I settled on a Taurus. It comes from the factory with features I had to add to my colt, such as a beaver tail grip safety, etc. great value. I haven’t shot it a lot yet but it seems to be a solid piece of equipment at an attractive price point.
Before you buy a colt..... Go buy a Springfield Armory! Seriously, I have owned almost every brand of production 1911 made. All I own now is Springfield. All of the brands I owned were reliable, except colt and kimber. However, smoothness and movement of the controls were not as good on the really cheap ones. For a 1911, Springfield is my only choice!
Comparative testing is what it's all about. I'd like to see more comparative testing of various weapons systems. Thanks, I really appreciate what you've done here
I wanted a 1911 but a used Colt up here in the True White North is a couple grand. A friend is a retired Marine armorer and he suggested I get a Norinco 1911-A1. He stripped all the springs out and rebarrelled it and it shoots like a hot damn. All told I have $500cdn with Browning springs and Charles Daly barrel. He is under the impression that the Norc steel is quite good and after some use there is no sign of wear anywhere. Sights and mags are good. I am a happy camper.
I own firearms from just about every major company that is out there. I also own a few that most people would not recognize the name. When I buy a new handgun I look to see how it fits my hand and then how its cycles when I go to the range for the first time. I have had a few no name brands Bank needed a little massaging but I can say the same thing for the bigger named guns. Every one of my guns within a month get to go visit the gun range just to make sure everything is functioning. I've had some friends make fun of some of the brands and I've told them if you want to go ahead and buy me the name brand I will give you this one if not keep quiet and mind your own business. I can honestly say price does not play a factor when I look at handguns or rifles. Everybody has their own taste if they did not the stores would only sell one kind of clothing and everybody would be driving the same exact car.
If I could make a suggestion on testing accuracy, I would recommend a mechanical clamp of some kind (like a vice) to hold the gun for the shots testing accuracy. It just eliminates those who want to argue the human error if the guns were to be clamped in place an shot the same 5 times. At that point it would be all down to the gun, not the wielder. Nice video otherwise, quick and to the point. :)
I have had a Colt, a Rock Island, and a Kimber. Colt has always been pretty good, but the Rock Island matched it, and the best I've had is the Kimber Gold Match II. better sights, and a better feel, and finer than Colt finish on all parts. I carry EDC (LEOSA permit) the Rock, I don't want my best gun in an evidence locker to turn up missing, later to be found in some police armorer's collection. If I gotta shoot, it's gonna be the Rock. Honestly, the Colt I didn't like. The screws were made too finely, and often they would back out as the screw threads were cut too finely and they didn't provide the friction to stay screwed in after a couple hundred rounds of practice. Currently Colts are made a little shoddily as they are down economically with Bankruptcy looming and cost cutting going on all over...
NO, Mr. I never said I worked for a gun company,. Never have. I worked for my adult career as a police officer. I have owned quite a number of guns of various brands, and have has Colt Rock Island and Kimber versions of the 1911A1. As well I have owned Armalite Model 15, Winchester 73 reproduction by Henry Arms, and a wide variety of S&W revolvers, but no I have never worked for any gun company. EDC means Every Day Carry, I do so being a retired police officer, permitted under the Federal US law called LEOSA. Your Hawaiian name translates oddly on Google... What does it really mean?
I bought a TISAS at about $300 new and when it came in to the shop, the young gunsmith looked it over and told me to sell the Springfield stainless 1911 and keep the $300 gun. And I did and later sold off the TISAS for a bit more than my cost, in excellent shape.
I have owned Colt 1911’s and I don’t know what it is about them- they just feel better than other similarly priced 1911’s. They hold their value, too, or even increase in value over time.
I carried and fired a Remington Rand 1911 for years, and never a jam or misfire using ball....and only one misfeed that I can remember using Super Vel JHP......I have a soft spot for the 1911, having carried one through my tour in Viet Nam. I would gladly carry and use a 1911 today, and would trade my .40 P99 for one in a heartbeat......
I might add that the additional weight of the Tisas over the Colt was due to the mainspring housing and trigger on the TISAS are steel as opposed to the Colt using plastic for those parts. Where I live the Colt is $799, I paid $339 for my Tisas. My TISAS has a better trigger than the Colt I looked at. The only thing I liked better on the Colt was the sights. I replaced the plastic grips with rubber grips from Pearce grips for $16. I will invest in Novak sights eventually and I will still be ahead money wise. Thank you for a good informative unbiased video.
I got a Rock Island 1911 from budsgunshop. About 369 on sale. G.I. Model. Funny thing, Rock Islands are made in the philipines. Back after WW2, they needed firearm machines. Colt sold them some of their war time machines. In all actuality, my rock island, chances are, were made with older colt machines, and I got it at a fraction of the price.
I'm A Kimber Guy But A Buddy of Mine Has A Rock Island 1911 it isn't the Best Looking (Grips,Fit,Finish) or Eye Pleasing as Higher End 1911's But if Your Looking For Something to just Punch Paper, Ding Shit, or Truck Gun You can't Beat it The Thing Shoots. I Don't Know If I Would Carry it All the Time or Have My Life Depend On It.
REAPER5ACT. I've never had an issue with it. I passed my carry test with my rock island. Now the finish could be better as you said, but I'm not one for looks. I just want my lead flinger to WORK.
kaldicuct I'm Not Arguing about it not working or doing Way Better than I expected But To Carry Concealed No Way Nothing Against Gun But It's a G.I. Knock Off its not designed for that type of carry with a spur hammer which will get snagged on everything Blade sights that hang up in a leather holster. If using for CCW Just Practice the Way you Will Deploy it Its better to work out the Bugs on a Range Instead in a Confrontation. I Carry a Kimber RCP II everything Rounded off so no Snags Alot Smaller. RIA Great Truck Gun Just Not My Choice For Carry. It is an Ugly Duckling for sure HA HA. Be Safe Out There
REAPER5ACT. Oh, I'm not arguing either, just making conversation. As for the spur, It actually doesn't bother me to carry. Though I do want to put a commander hammer on it. I will (stay safe), you do the same bro.
The differences is in the quality of the steel, the level of refinement, the accuracy of machining, and the overall durability of the gun after years of shooting. Most will point to the WWII 1911A pistols as they are 75-80 years old and still shoot very well. But those WWI and WWII 1911A pistols were built by several: Colt, Remington Rand, Ithaca, Singer, Rock Island, Springfield, and Remington Arms. Truth is that there were many foreign made ones from back then, too, like Star (Spain) and Ballester Molina (Argentina) that are very good quality and were used in service for decades. Often a cheap one will begin to hang up, and simply needs some cleaning and a bit of deburring or light polishing of surfaces so that they have the clearance needed and will operate correctly and freely.
I guess we all have different reasons for getting the 1911s we do. I've always wanted to have a 38 Super 1911 and now have two, a 60 year old Llama (that can shoot both 9mm and 38 Super) and a GI RIA. After getting my gunsmith give the RIA some basic parts polishing, I had the slide polished and cold-blued, added some classic walnut grips, and love the look. It reminds me of something out of the 30's a G-man would carry. It can also put 40 rounds into a group the size of your hand at 15 yards. Did this during CCW qualification using four 10 round Wilson Combat magazines. The Llama is also a great shooter too. I'm very satisfied with both of these pistols. My next 1911s will be in 45ACP and I'm looking for an older Llama, similar to my Super, and a WWII 1911 as a collector piece. I'd also consider a 1911 from Cimarron (either the "Wild Bunch" with the polished blue finish or their WWII GI version). Cimarron sources their parts from RIA for these pistols. Given the cost of ammo and the hassle of getting to a decent range in my area, I've also been looking at some options in air-soft 1911s for back-yard practice. At the end of the day, it's all about putting rounds down range and enjoying the marksmanship experience. It's also a pleasure to have a well-made firearm in your hands, regardless of the trademark it carries.
Holy shit, a Hawaiian gun guy? I thought it was illegal to say "gun" in Hawaii. The hoops you have to jump through are on fire there would be my guess. Awesome to know you're out there.
I quit buying top name brand things a long time ago, well, really when Levi jeans started costing more. I did find other brands of jeans that were cheaper yet just as durable. It seemed to not make any sense to spend more money for that little tag sewed into the seam on the back pocket. I digressed. As for expensive firearms, I think you do get what you paid for and they are of better quality. Some of the less expensive firearms can and may function reliably and serve their purpose, although that's just my opinion.
So many companies and I can't remember the numbers but you'd be surprised I want to say it was over a hundred that produced the 1911 for the war including the Singer sewing machine company. They re tooled all their equipment to make Colt 1911 and actually other mil-spec products. But there again that was when the quality control was based on the mil spec contract. Good video thanks.
I bought a LLAMA 1991 & had it ramped, throated & Accurized. It's a great gun for $450 total. I've had it for about 30 years. Looks & fires like new. I use a hardball, hydroshok, hydroshok, hardball, hardball, hydroshok & hardball in the chamber..... Shoots a 10 inch pattern.
Not looking for an investment, looking for a good firearm. If you want to drop a grand or more on a gun, knock yourself out. I could buy a Tisus and bunch of food and medical supplies with the same money. But you do you, shug.
I think you did a good job and the video was fun and worth watching. One thing I'd consider for the future, is to take the grips off the frame before you weigh them. The budget 1911 seemed to have thicker grips, which may explain the weight difference. That might be good to know.
I always wanted a 1911 and figure that buying a good one means I’ll never wonder if buying a cheaper gun was a good decision. I’d rather buy one ☝️ Colt and be exactly where I am. It is my favorite of favorites in 10mm Stainless with Wilson Combat upgrades and all internals polished that I did myself. If I could take one item when I leave this world....
Colt pistols are kinda like a Harley Davidson if you take very good care of it and keep it long enough they hold their value (maybe even go up in value)
we are on the same page. I've owned several Colt .45s I now have a Metro Arms Amigo that at least in fit, finish, and accuracy, is the equal of any of them. And at a fraction of the price the thing is built like a bank vault
There is nothing out there that is going to surpass the good old .45 Colt Model 1911!!! The same has been found with the old and simple .50 cal machine gun!!! It's old, has a slower rate of fire. However, I would not want to be on the receiving end...
If you can buy 2 for the price of 1.....I dunno man. Also, how many rounds are you shooting that you are wearing your gun out? Most guys aren't throwing that much lead down range....not at $20/box (roughly). In a blind test, I'll bet most wouldn't know it wasn't a Colt. But there are lemmons in anything you buy....
I'll be moving to Hawaii soon and man, I was shocked to here you say you're from Hawaii. It seems very rare. I 100% agree with most people. I will never dish out money to the turks. I'm sure it's a good gun, but no thanks. I would much rather give my money to a proud American company with a long history of arming our military. Which island are you on? I can't wait to see open carry become legal. Since I'm coming to Hawaii from a free US state.
When my dad passed away last year I got to keep his 1911 colt 45 he was issued in 1953 when he was in Korea. It looks like a brand new gun even with it being over 60 years old. I haven't fired it yet but it's had a good cleaning and all of that. Not sure what it's worth but that's ok because I will never sell it.
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probably, they shoot about the same. But, what you are forgetting is the Colt will always have better resale value if the condition is the same. Also, I much prefer the 70 series Colt design to the 80 or 91.
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Thank you from Brazil. Unfortunately this only in videos here. Thank you thank you. Thank you Americans for giving us hope of a free nation. thank TYLENOL!!KKKKKK
The atf government agency just made over 1 million USA citizens felons by reclassification of pistol braces as regulated SBR’s. I’m not trying to kill the ideal just letting you know, we have to fight constantly, and never give in to keep it. I hope your politicians or people make the right choice.
The slight differences for me have been in the magazines and which one takes any magazine, and which one is picky. The other slight differences are in the eternal parts that you can’t see. Nothing to argue about. Good video!
I got a Tisas 1911 A2 from buds for $300 and have had several hundred round through it with no complaints for the money. The only real noteable issue is the cruddy plastic grips. Fully worth the price, as good, if not better than Rock Island.
I have a Tisas 1911. Just wanted (needed) a 1911 in my limited collection. Glad I have it. Thanks!
Great summary on the 1911 Being an older Veteran, I still love my original COLT 1911
I have an accurized stainless Caspian 1911 I've had for over 20 yrs. I paid 400 for it and Colts were selling for around 500 at the time. The only thing I've changed is modifying the frame to barrel feed ramp. It will eat anything I put in it. I would've had 750 to 800 in it if it had been the Colt with the same mods. I still love it
Excellent unbiased review, and you're right. There are some great budget friendly guns out there that people snub because of brand name.
I've had good experiences with less expensive 1911's. I had a Rock Island armory "Tactical" version (skeletonized hardware and novak sights) and I loved it. Sold it to a friend and bought a Springfield GI 1911 and I love it too. From what I have seen and heard from friends who have them most of the value 1911's are pretty good stuff. I'm not a good enough shooter to likely get ANY improvements in my groups out of a $2500 Wilson Combat or even a $1000 colt so I just stick with buying the stuff that I want whether it be what I consider to be a great value 1911 or the Springfield GI model which was a little, but not much, more expensive.
It does strike me as a bit funny that the 1911, which established its place in legend as a piece of military hardware designed to be effectively mass-produced by the lowest-bidding manufacturers, now has so many people thinking that only one or two elite companies can build a worthy version of the pistol.
When you buy a $12-1500 or more 1911. Then compare it to that $350 one. And you will see a huge difference in craftsmanship. Which you will notice again, when you shoot it.
I'm not knocking the cheaper ones, they definitely have their place in the marketplace. But so do the high end ones.
+ChrisHallett83 Kimber is one of a few guns out there that I feel is way over hyped and way over priced. Loose doesn't always mean reliable. And most of the 1911s that were still in service up to Vietnam were worn out, clapped out garbage. Hence the comment about the Army, Navy, Marine service armorers needing get to swap this part for that part. I have worked on and shot several brand new 1911s from both of the world wars, yes built then and barely shot, and they are by no means loose or rattley. And the argument about what makes and does not make a good 1911 will rage on for years. Go look up the Meusoc (sp?) 1911 or why Colt made a dark earth rail version. Ask someone like Larry Vickers what goes into a good 1911. Back when the Browning 1911 (1909) was created, they built guns the old fashioned way mostly by hand. Just the way a full custom is today. Yes, CNC has vastly narrowed the gap on semi-custom 1911s. BUT when you are running guns down an assembly line and want all of the parts to fit any gun on the line, then you have to let tolerances slip.
There is a reason that Nighthawk, Ed Brown, Les Baer, Wilson Combat and others cost more. They cost more to produce as a good custom or semi-custom should. It is the same old song, you get what you pay for. Rolex or Timex will still tell you the time. A $300-400 Phillipines 1911 will put lead down range. So will a Hip ointment. If most anyone spends any real time with 1911s and gets hooked, then it is only a matter of time usually before they want to upgrade. As I said, buy what you can afford and do your research. But, there are good ones and not so good ones. That is why everyone is going to plastic framed guns. They can't sell full steel guns that cost $500 or more to build and stay competitive. Hence the off shore manufacturing. Rock Island makes some decent guns.
+ontarget1911 Stupid auto correct. Hipoint not hip ointment🤐
A lot of it comes down to fit and finish. The 1911 is not as forgiving of poor fits or finishes as a lot of more modern designs.
I tend to side with the other guy in regards to this topic and I do believe both of you are referring to clearances not tolerances. tolerance is how far out of spec a part can be before it no longer works. Clearance is the amount of space between parts. The 1911 always has to maintain within a pretty close tolerance to be build correctly but the clearances can be left looser.
John Browning designed the gun to have loose clearance particularly between the slide and frame which is why older ones from the wars rattle when they are cleaned but nothing appears to be wrong with them mechanically when inspected. The reason for the loose clearance is a soldier on a battlefield is not going to take the time to clean it as often and will most certainly wind up in a situation where debris is allowed to get into the action. When these clearances are closed up like in custom high end 1911's the debris has no where to go and results in the gun being less reliable in a combat situation. Most people who own high end 1911's will never see a battlefield so these clearances can be closed up for a smoother working gun.
The high end ones have nothing wrong with them as long as they are kept completely cleaned. So if talking about a combat situation the high end 1911's fail big time in that field and can never be used in a battle if you don't want to hear bang bang click the GI cheap style that the clearances are loose on are guns that excel in combat because of their reliability. Kalashnikov, Browning and even Stoner all realized the clearance played a big part in the reliability of the weapon and every wartime example of these engineers designs reflect this. With the M4 the upper usually is a little sloppy, with the AK the whole thing is sloppy, and with the 1911 the slide to frame fit is sloppy but again these are only wartime example. Nowadays people are closing these clearances for recreational shooting because the guns are cleaned more frequently and the clearance is no longer required.
Just voicing my opinion not trying to argue with anyone and both guns are designed for completely different situations but if someone took a high end 1911 and subjected it to the same environment of a battlefield it would fail where the cheap ones would still be running. The high end ones are definitely very pretty gun and work very smoothly but they still have a downfall.
6:57 "I'm coming into this hobby really late in my life." I started when I was (and still am) in my 60s. Love the sport! Keep up the great videos!
I'm not familiar with the Tisus, but have been amazed by Rock Island every time I've picked one up.
Thank you for a fine video. I have been using a 1911 for nearly 50 years. I have learned several new checks. Not that I didn't know how the 1911 worked, but easy quick checks.
30 yrs ago, I caught a sale on the Colt 1911 but while in the store (San Francisco no less; how times have changed), gun in my hand, another patron showed me the qualitative differences between the Colt and the Springfield. I walked out the store with the Springfield and never regretted it. It was and still is a nail gun. Only .45 I've found to shoot better is my Ruger Blackhawk convertible revolver.
You're not going to see the differences by weighing them or looking at the outside. The internals and the quality of the build materials are the difference.
The internals of the Colt are likely to be more finished. You'll probably find small burs on the Tisas's internals where you won't on the Colt. Also something you could've shown easily was the feed ramp of the barrel. This would have shown that either both or just one of the ramps was polished.
The Tisas will work fine, but it's like the difference in buying a circular saw and a worm drive circular saw. The circular saw will cut wood, but the worm drive saw will be cutting wood still in 25 years when the regular saw is in the landfill.
Also of consideration is the value retention. My brother just sold a Colt 1911 from the 50s for around $1,500. Good luck with getting that kind of return on a Tisas in 60 years; regardless of whether or not it's just as good a gun.
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Yes...but ( crap here we go:-) any used gun with the exception of VERY few depreciates as soon as it is purchased. Even if it sells for more than the original price..taking in inflation..most " retention value" is still a loss. Now figure in amount of use and enjoyability in both..price retention ... again with a few exceptions.. comes out pretty close.
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Just a quick, fast , simple and honest comparison. Great vid !
My first 1911 was inherited from my dad. US Navy WWII he carried it 3 years in the South Pacific campaign. Thanks for the test info, cuz I'm looking for an every-day shooter.
Great comparison. I've been looking at acquiring a 45ACP 1911 and this was very helpful regarding... "Should I blow my whole wad? Or look at a cheaper option" Thank you for your honest and straight forward video's, Sir.
My first 1911 needed to be sent back to Colt for repairs right out the box. Bought it in 1971. I still have a Colt Series 70, Also have a Target grade Kimber.
Great video and I like your "results and money" outlook, it is refreshing to watch your videos. I have a RIA FS A1 and it has been great and FUN to shoot.
I have an ATI and I am extremely surprised on how well of a fit and solid it's made. The only problem I ran into was jamming due to the crappy ACT mag, which I replaced with MecGars. I compared it to a Remington and Para Ordnance and both looked subpar to the ATI. The ATI fit and finish closely resembles a Springfield that I compared to.
I've had lots of 1911s. Standard, gold cup, 70 series, 80 series. Love em all and Zero problems.
Which one is your favorite ?
@@christopherguerrero3409 Good question. Without a doubt, my favorite is the 70 series MK IV gold cup natiknal match. Just the smoothest, ergonomic, accurate 45 ever.
Extremely well done review on the 1911! Thank you for doing this. I have several 1911's. My favorite is the Colt Series 70 Government Model. Why is it my favorite? Because it's a Colt. That means the history of the weapon plays a major role in my love for the Colt 1911 .45 automatic. Your video will make me a good deal more picky as to why I love the Colt other than its history. Thank y9ou for doing this comparison. Your work with this is top-notch. Andy McKane, Molokai.
Thanks i been wanting a 1911 but only want 1, and if you say that's the best I'll look into it
Years ago I bought an American Classic Commander for around $500 out the door. Absolutely love it. Smooth and shoots anything I put in it.
I know this video is 2 years but you did a fantastic job reviewing these two guns.
I bought a Metro Arms 1911. It shot great, but the finish was crap had to have it duracoated. Then it started not going back into battery. Had to send it off to get it fixed. Get this Metro Arms would not pay to ship it back as it "was the owner's responsibility to send it to an authorized gunsmith." Really? I have never had to pay to send a gun back for warranty work. So after getting it back with no explanation of what was causing the malfunction I had to email the gunsmith to find out if he fixed it and what was wrong. Really? What it comes down to is you are better off paying a little more for a reliable weapon that the company will stand behind. So I bought a Colt Combat Commander which is what I should have done in the first place.
A $40 part will make the Tissas run rings around that Colt. Wilson Dyer Group Gripper. Try one. Increase in accuracy is dramatic. It includes a full-length guide rod with open end guide rod bushing. A new barrel link that you knock out the pin, replace it with. It forces a tighter lock up of barrel to frame fit and tightens up your groups. Would also suggest Wilson springs and a set of nylon shock buffs that save your frame from wear. All cheap insurance. Flat back checkered mainspring housing. Be good for Tissas as well at about $15. Brownell's has a whole catalog for 1911's. The RIA (Rock Island Armory) is another reasonable alternative with good track record. Best out of box accuracy I've ever seen was Springfield 1911-A1 G.I. version Parkarized. Watched a competition shooter stack 5 rounds into 1/2" at 25yds. 200grn conical SWC lead bullet, 4.5grn Bullseye powder. Happy shooting.
Everything listed here is ok but Wolff springs smokes Wilson in durability and quality.
Bought my first Colt when I was 18. (well, my dad actually bought it for me...) but I remember saving for it for what seemed like a lifetime! I'm now 55, but its still something I cherish. Hey, if you're a guy just buying guns to have another one, go for it. But if you really want a Colt, don't settle for a knock-off just to save a few bucks. I doubt it will ever seem worth it.
Is the Colt not a knockoff?
@@jaybiggs7021 no it's not.
@@jaybiggs7021 absolutely not. Complete opposite
@@tbjtbj4786 Really? I thought they only produced John Browning's design....as only a contractor of the weapon. Am I wrong?
@@jaybiggs7021 I think that was with the 1905 and when the army wanted changes colt got JMB to help develop exactly what the government wanted.
If I remember right the grip safety was a government add on and they went from the 200gr bullets to the 230gr.
So if he was working with colt they would be considered the original along with JMB.
Man alive ! You gave a great review of both Colt and Tisas. A professional reviewer couldn't have done a better job.
The first 1911 I shot was my brother’s Kimber. ( old factory, not the new one)
Based on that experience, when I came across a lightly used Springfield I bought it.
My brother’s gun functioned flawlessly and accurately with any ammunition that I put in it.
The Springfield did not.
Beyond a few appearance details, they functionally looked the same.
So I investigated why they didn’t work the same. I looked at various brands of 1911s from the cheapest to the most expensive. From original ww1 actual 1911s to the newest 1911-a1 models.
From whatever no name brand to Colt, Kimber, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk or custom guns, the biggest difference beyond price and pretty was the amount of hand fitting the better guns had.
So I set my gun next to my brother’s gun.
With dial calipers, my dremel, sandpaper and polishing compound I made mine function as well as my brother’s.
I didn’t touch the trigger. His is still a little better than mine, but it wasn’t broken, so I left it alone.
For a base model 1911, you are paying for the hand fitting, and maybe a little for quality parts vs mim parts.
So if you’re handy and not interested in the custom details, you can make the cheaper gun function as well as the high end models.
As needed, if parts break or wear just replace them with better parts.
Happy plinking 👍😎
I just drench the inside of the slide with dish soap and baby powder then manually rack the slide a couple hundred times and let it lap itself in takes the grittiness right out of the machining marks on the slide and frame
Got a M1911 ,A1 , overall condition, including the barrel, in very good condition, considering it's age. Replaced all the internal springs. Shoots straight as an arrow, I love this piece of W.W. 2 history. I will pass it to my son if he wants it. Paid close to 3000 here in Australia. Gets the attention of fellow pistol club members as there's not many here.
You got a gun in Australia?
I looked at so many 1911s when I was looking to buy my first one. And i really liked the tisas. I also liked the rock island. However, if you want the best quality in 1911. Buy the colt first, Springfield second place. Alot of these cheaper companies use MIM parts and that's how they keep the price down. They just dont hold up over time as well as the colts.
Colt has gone to crap, springfield is taking the crown
Now that's how ya do a gun comparison/review video. Nice job.
I am pleased to see a video such as this one. It will do justice for the beginners and not
too proud armatures. Viewers searching for answers as to what they can get for
the money will find that they don’t have to have a brand name manufacture weapon
right out the gate as they enter the world for protection.On the other hand, there is not a real test of time on the
Tisas 1911. Due to the job I did (now retired) I may have considered the Tissa
as a weapon for back up in the home or car. I choose a Commander Colt and still
carry it after 5,000 rounds without mishap over the past 24 yrs.
Still, this is a very thoughtful presentation.
-Rick B. Florida
Just happened across this vlog1 Right on! I'm an Hawaii expat living in Michigan. Traded Kokohead range for my back yard, so I can shoot anytime! I totally agree with your premis about buying quality vs. name brand. My favorite 1911 is a Norinco. I carry it on occasion and it has been nothing but reliable and accurate, not to mention better quality than the Colts from the 80's. Keep up the good work brah!
I went to STATE
@@KIMO365 So did my oldest son! What year did you grad?
Bought a Tisas 1911 last year. $500. Solid performer. 2000 plus rounds. Eats everything. Great for EDC.
It's unstoppable
I love my Colt and to me it is money well spent.
That being said , it is the most standarized production gun in the world.
As a matter of fact, when reviewed by the government, before appoving the 1911, they took apart 3 1911s made by three different manufactures shookup the parts and reassembled three guns.
All the parts are interchangeable and all three guns funtioned perfectly.
Says it all really
I have had a few 1911s. I always wanted a Colt, wanted that "pony" on the slide. I finally saved up and purchased a Colt "1991" 1911. I was very disappointed. The Colt had a plastic grip safety and a plastic trigger, rubber grip. Man, for over $800, Colt could at least have all metal parts like the other manufacturers. The Colt did not shoot as well as others I have owned,and had failures to fire and stove piped a lot. So I sold it and purchased a Rock Island 1911 like the one I had before the Colt. Absolutely no problems with the Rock Island, and about $400 less. I have owned ,Rock Island, Auto Ordnance, Remington R, and others, all were better guns then the Colt. Colt is just a name now ,living on a good reputation from the distance past, like Cadillac .At leased that has been my experience,for what its worth.
The only thing I have done on my RIA 1911/45 consist in changing the magazine to Wilson Combat.
I have 2 Colt 1911’s. One is five years old, the other 3 years old. Neither have any plastic parts. Also have 3 Rock Island 1911’s. All five are great but 1911’s occasionally require a little tuning. The Colt Government model would stove pipe initially maybe every hundred rounds or so. I did a little research and tuned the extractor and now thousands of rounds without any issues. The Commander was perfect out of the box but I did a trigger job on it and changed a couple of other parts to meet my particular preference. One of the Rock Island pistols I bought used and has been great but was definitely modified from stock and has been very reliable. I bought a Rock Island 1911 38 Super and it would not load a single round into battery, jammed every single round. Fortunately has excellent customer service. I called them and told them what was happening with the 38 Super. They sent me a shipping label, fixed the problem, fitted a 9mm barrel and got it back to me in less than 2 weeks. I have no complaints with Colt or RIA pistols. Just takes a bit of time to get to know them.
The thing with buying American-Made 1911's is that you're paying for an American Salary. A Colt 1911 could be lower quality than a RIA 1911, but will cost more because Americans are paid more.
A single dollar goes a lot further in Turkey and the Philippines than it does in the USA, so a $600 dollar 1911 from Tisas or Rock Island could offer a lot more in quality-per-dollar than its American counterparts can simply because Joe Blow needs $30 per hour to assemble your 1911, meanwhile Ahmet in Turkey or Filipe in the Philippines don't require nearly the same amount of wages for the same amount of work.
the only thing superior in american guns is potentially better tooling and machining, but even my Tisas 1911a1 looks better than lots of "american made" 1911's i've seen.
@@Sneedmeister Bottom line is when you pay 30% or 40& more for a product ,you expect to get a better product . Case in point ; I just purchased a Charter arms 22cal Pathfinder revolver ,made in the U.S.A. Spent rounds don't eject properly and cylinder locked up after 35 rounds. I disassembled it and fixed the lock up problem. This gun cost me over $400. I cleaned it and sold it for a loss. You can check You tube and find other people have had the same problems. I just bought a Rock Island AL22 revolver . From past experience,I'm pretty sure this revolver will be a good one. So here is the thing ,Do you,as a consumer ,want to pay way more for a gun that is inferior to a gun that is better in many ways ,Be political correct and buy American from a company that uses parts made in other countries . A company that really doesn't care about you ,really.
Right now in Canada a Colt government barebones model is $1299. I can get the Springfield milspec model for $799. I can't see the justification in spending the extra $$. Its seems to me that if you are looking for an American made forged model Springfield is the way to go and if you don't care about made in America the Tisas and Taurus are both winners from what I've seen on the internets.
After 20yrs + U.S. Infantry,,,1911 are and ALWAYS will be my alltime favorite..Excellant war and work horse.....Thank you for the informative video...Loved it...
Excellent ! Well done and excellent point for less cost , but the same bang for less ! Kudos !
The "active ingredient" in the second case is .45 ACP :D
I bought a Ruger SR1911 and it has been 3 years now and I love it.
Ruger makes some fine weapons.
Same here
When I first went in my first tour with the Marines I got to use, shoot, carry the 1911 Colt 45. These things were old and it was solid and always an expert on it. But then they tried selling us on the Beretta 9mm and didn’t take, I was expert but-I kept my 1911 Colt 45. I’m actually looking for a government issue one if anyone out knows of one!!
I can’t say I’d choose one 1911 from the other but I’ve got 26 years of LE carry and training. I’ve trained with and owned a lot of firearms. About 2 years back I bought a 1911 .45 Colt light weight Commander. It has Novak sights which I prefer.
I’ve got to say it is about the nicest sidearm to shoot and the most accurate.
I paid $900 (out the door) and I’d do it again in heartbeat.
I own 2 S&W, Glock, Taurus, another Colt and Walther. This 1911 is my favorite.
I’m sure the Filipino, Turkish and Brazilian 1911s can run plenty accurate and reliable. I would look at what parts are MIM(injection molded steel) vs. tool steel. Colt will at least have tool steel where it is needed most, high impact, in the Hammer and slide release/stop. You can always get all the parts you want replaced with tool steel but some of them will require fitting that’s left better for experienced gun smiths. Some of the parts where it’s a good idea to have tool steel as well are the sear, disconnecter, barrel link, extractor and firing pin block. Firing pin too unless you get a titanium one, like you should on a series 70 style, oh, and make sure all the pins are tool steel. It all adds up if you want something serious that will last. If you don’t care about any of that and just want to experience owning 1911 and don’t want to break the bank then those other options will work just fine. Their are 1911s for many different budgets.
Been very happy with my RIA 1911, would recommend them :D
Jeff Carver I own a couple myself, and totally agree with you.
If you like sending your hard earned AMERICAN $ to overseas companies that good for YOU!
Are you using an American made smartphone ? Or are you just sending your money to China you hypocrite.
@@100Aces good on you but have you ever been to Walmart🤣. There’s more Chinese goods in a Walmart than at a Chinese market
@@user-ll9nu8fb7j Right? Sometimes we just have no choice!?
The chemistry teacher in me has to correct a statement you made about the correct reading of your scale. You were reading the scale as a decimal equivalent, like it weighs 2.36 lbs, but the scale showed 2lbs 3.6 oz. they are not the same thing. Other than that I enjoyed your video and your light style of delivery. I'm a big fan of the 1911 platform and own the Springfield Armory TRP in stainless---- keep it up!
you have no idea how many times I tried to say it correctly I just gave up lol thanks for watching and point well taken
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Bravo Carl....I've been waiting for somebody to lay this out. Then again, it you really want accurate or to the decimal point in weights, use the metric scale, it really is easier.
what a nerd lol
It figures everybody understood except the teacher.
After 200 rounds all I see if trigger fatigue. What matters most in 'accuracy' from a defensive role is the first target. Further point; you did a trigger job, dropping the pull weight by a lb. below the colt, meaning that by round 195, it's easier to group. This does not = the cheaper 911 is 'more accurate'. It's modified, and easier to deal with after four boxes of ammo. However, they are really really close functionally and you are right in that there should not really be a =$400 price difference.
All I ever carried, and fired in the Army, 66-69 was the Colt, 1911 A1 .45 ACP. I'm not that big and it beat me up but I was still a very good shot with it. Years later, I bought a Ruger p90, .45 ACP and loved it. I can't say why it was not so harsh on me? The .45 ACP was designed to knock assailants down and set them back, and I had confidence that it would do that.
Love Colts carried one as an M.P.in 1980-1983...Have a Hi Point in 45 acp a great shooter...Love the 45ACP Cartridge....my home defense gun!❤
Good (older) review and comparison. Tisas is still a good, reliable entry level 1911 but some of us get addicted to 1911's and collect more of them which leads to Springfield, Colt etc. It is what it is on the accuracy. Trying different ammo may have different results. Question: Why did you replace the barrel link on the Tisas? Was there an issue?
good vid and i agree with you. the cheaper guns get a bad wrap because theyre cheap, not because of how they perform. i own a rock island armory 1911 that shoots like a dream. it runs hollow points, big game loads and target ammo without a hiccup. ive only ever had it fail to feed once and it was because of the magazine, not the gun. use your brain like youre doing and glad youre enjoying the sport of shooting.
I have a Springfield 1911A1 that I've had for 22 years. Stainless, 3 dot sights and Pachymeyr grips. Never jammed, accurate and still looks great. Never thought about buying another.
Glad this popped up in my feed. I can see the techniques of military instruction shining through, Great video, Semper fi.
I bought a Colt series 80 in 1984, had it accurized and tricked out for IPSC competition. I’ve put thousands of rounds through it and it remains reliable and accurate. I wanted another shooter, stock, that I could potentially use for defense. I settled on a Taurus. It comes from the factory with features I had to add to my colt, such as a beaver tail grip safety, etc. great value. I haven’t shot it a lot yet but it seems to be a solid piece of equipment at an attractive price point.
Before you buy a colt..... Go buy a Springfield Armory!
Seriously, I have owned almost every brand of production 1911 made. All I own now is Springfield. All of the brands I owned were reliable, except colt and kimber. However, smoothness and movement of the controls were not as good on the really cheap ones.
For a 1911, Springfield is my only choice!
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Iv recently turned 21 and am looking forward to owning a 1911 for concealed carry. Would you recommend any brands better than others?
My personal experience is that Sig is selling the best 1911s under $1200, with springfield being a close 2nd.
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Spot On. Springfield #1. I just got a 45ACP TRP Springfield it's awesome. 45ACP Becouse shooting twice is just silly
Comparative testing is what it's all about. I'd like to see more comparative testing of various weapons systems. Thanks, I really appreciate what you've done here
I bought the Springfield 1911 many years ago and I'm still happy with it. No way would I want the cheap knock-off.
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I wanted a 1911 but a used Colt up here in the True White North is a couple grand. A friend is a retired Marine armorer and he suggested I get a Norinco 1911-A1. He stripped all the springs out and rebarrelled it and it shoots like a hot damn. All told I have $500cdn with Browning springs and Charles Daly barrel. He is under the impression that the Norc steel is quite good and after some use there is no sign of wear anywhere. Sights and mags are good. I am a happy camper.
I like your approach to reviewing firearms. Thanks, make more videos!
I own firearms from just about every major company that is out there. I also own a few that most people would not recognize the name. When I buy a new handgun I look to see how it fits my hand and then how its cycles when I go to the range for the first time. I have had a few no name brands Bank needed a little massaging but I can say the same thing for the bigger named guns. Every one of my guns within a month get to go visit the gun range just to make sure everything is functioning. I've had some friends make fun of some of the brands and I've told them if you want to go ahead and buy me the name brand I will give you this one if not keep quiet and mind your own business. I can honestly say price does not play a factor when I look at handguns or rifles. Everybody has their own taste if they did not the stores would only sell one kind of clothing and everybody would be driving the same exact car.
If I could make a suggestion on testing accuracy, I would recommend a mechanical clamp of some kind (like a vice) to hold the gun for the shots testing accuracy. It just eliminates those who want to argue the human error if the guns were to be clamped in place an shot the same 5 times. At that point it would be all down to the gun, not the wielder.
Nice video otherwise, quick and to the point. :)
Your right, no human error involved. It's called a Ransom Rest, and it's an industry standard.
I have had a Colt, a Rock Island, and a Kimber. Colt has always been pretty good, but the Rock Island matched it, and the best I've had is the Kimber Gold Match II. better sights, and a better feel, and finer than Colt finish on all parts. I carry EDC (LEOSA permit) the Rock, I don't want my best gun in an evidence locker to turn up missing, later to be found in some police armorer's collection. If I gotta shoot, it's gonna be the Rock. Honestly, the Colt I didn't like. The screws were made too finely, and often they would back out as the screw threads were cut too finely and they didn't provide the friction to stay screwed in after a couple hundred rounds of practice. Currently Colts are made a little shoddily as they are down economically with Bankruptcy looming and cost cutting going on all over...
NO, Mr. I never said I worked for a gun company,. Never have. I worked for my adult career as a police officer. I have owned quite a number of guns of various brands, and have has Colt Rock Island and Kimber versions of the 1911A1. As well I have owned Armalite Model 15, Winchester 73 reproduction by Henry Arms, and a wide variety of S&W revolvers, but no I have never worked for any gun company. EDC means Every Day Carry, I do so being a retired police officer, permitted under the Federal US law called LEOSA.
Your Hawaiian name translates oddly on Google... What does it really mean?
I bought a TISAS at about $300 new and when it came in to the shop, the young gunsmith looked it over and told me to sell the Springfield stainless 1911 and keep the $300 gun. And I did and later sold off the TISAS for a bit more than my cost, in excellent shape.
Simple, straight forward, well done.
Was going for the 1911 but decided on the 1912 instead. ;)
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If you're a 1911 guy, wouldn't you be 105 years old? Good show! I hear 100 is the new 80. :)
More like 100 is the new 65.. :((
I picked up the 1910...
Some one please give me $4000 for a 2011 pistol....look it up, you'll want one too!
I have owned Colt 1911’s and I don’t know what it is about them- they just feel better than other similarly priced 1911’s. They hold their value, too, or even increase in value over time.
I carried and fired a Remington Rand 1911 for years, and never a jam or misfire using ball....and only one misfeed that I can remember using Super Vel JHP......I have a soft spot for the 1911, having carried one through my tour in Viet Nam. I would gladly carry and use a 1911 today, and would trade my .40 P99 for one in a heartbeat......
4th of your videos today and I appreciate your common sense approach to reviews...weight, accuracy , fitment, money. New subscriber.
+jason shugart much mahalos!
Automatic thumbs up whenever I see your face. Always worthwhile.
I love your intro bro you had me laughing my ass off! 😂
"howzit" "braddah" you are my man!
Ho brah! Your 'murican fudd accent is dead on. I'm very happy with my Filipino ATI Gov't 1911, btw. Still saving up to buy a Colt series 70 though.
A Colt 1911 bought in 1998 was passed on to me. Still fires great, no trouble whatsoever even now (23 years later). 👌
Take care of it and your great grandkids will be shooting it!
I might add that the additional weight of the Tisas over the Colt was due to the mainspring housing and trigger on the TISAS are steel as opposed to the Colt using plastic for those parts. Where I live the Colt is $799, I paid $339 for my Tisas. My TISAS has a better trigger than the Colt I looked at. The only thing I liked better on the Colt was the sights. I replaced the plastic grips with rubber grips from Pearce grips for $16. I will invest in Novak sights eventually and I will still be ahead money wise. Thank you for a good informative unbiased video.
CNC changed the firearm world.
I got a Rock Island 1911 from budsgunshop. About 369 on sale. G.I. Model. Funny thing, Rock Islands are made in the philipines. Back after WW2, they needed firearm machines. Colt sold them some of their war time machines. In all actuality, my rock island, chances are, were made with older colt machines, and I got it at a fraction of the price.
I'm A Kimber Guy But A Buddy of Mine Has A Rock Island 1911 it isn't the Best Looking (Grips,Fit,Finish) or Eye Pleasing as Higher End 1911's But if Your Looking For Something to just Punch Paper, Ding Shit, or Truck Gun You can't Beat it The Thing Shoots. I Don't Know If I Would Carry it All the Time or Have My Life Depend On It.
REAPER5ACT. I've never had an issue with it. I passed my carry test with my rock island. Now the finish could be better as you said, but I'm not one for looks. I just want my lead flinger to WORK.
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I'm Not Arguing about it not working or doing Way Better than I expected But To Carry Concealed No Way Nothing Against Gun But It's a G.I. Knock Off its not designed for that type of carry with a spur hammer which will get snagged on everything Blade sights that hang up in a leather holster. If using for CCW Just Practice the Way you Will Deploy it Its better to work out the Bugs on a Range Instead in a Confrontation. I Carry a Kimber RCP II everything Rounded off so no Snags Alot Smaller. RIA Great Truck Gun Just Not My Choice For Carry. It is an Ugly Duckling for sure HA HA. Be Safe Out There
REAPER5ACT. Oh, I'm not arguing either, just making conversation.
As for the spur, It actually doesn't bother me to carry. Though I do want to put a commander hammer on it.
I will (stay safe), you do the same bro.
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Sorry Poor choice of words on my part using "Arguing" Do you Carry Inside Waist Band Or On a Belt on your Waist ?
My first gun was a Colt 1911 government model. I got it for 250 and she's still my favorite gun to shoot.
john smith what is the recoil like,thanks
@@juliehoffman6292 not that bad. It's still shooting 45 obviously. The weight really helps cut down the recoil pretty well.
I think I just found my new favorite gun channel. Very nicely done sir.
+My_Name_Is_Chef thanks for the compliment!
The differences is in the quality of the steel, the level of refinement, the accuracy of machining, and the overall durability of the gun after years of shooting. Most will point to the WWII 1911A pistols as they are 75-80 years old and still shoot very well. But those WWI and WWII 1911A pistols were built by several: Colt, Remington Rand, Ithaca, Singer, Rock Island, Springfield, and Remington Arms.
Truth is that there were many foreign made ones from back then, too, like Star (Spain) and Ballester Molina (Argentina) that are very good quality and were used in service for decades.
Often a cheap one will begin to hang up, and simply needs some cleaning and a bit of deburring or light polishing of surfaces so that they have the clearance needed and will operate correctly and freely.
I guess we all have different reasons for getting the 1911s we do. I've always wanted to have a 38 Super 1911 and now have two, a 60 year old Llama (that can shoot both 9mm and 38 Super) and a GI RIA.
After getting my gunsmith give the RIA some basic parts polishing, I had the slide polished and cold-blued, added some classic walnut grips, and love the look. It reminds me of something out of the 30's a G-man would carry. It can also put 40 rounds into a group the size of your hand at 15 yards. Did this during CCW qualification using four 10 round Wilson Combat magazines.
The Llama is also a great shooter too. I'm very satisfied with both of these pistols.
My next 1911s will be in 45ACP and I'm looking for an older Llama, similar to my Super, and a WWII 1911 as a collector piece. I'd also consider a 1911 from Cimarron (either the "Wild Bunch" with the polished blue finish or their WWII GI version). Cimarron sources their parts from RIA for these pistols.
Given the cost of ammo and the hassle of getting to a decent range in my area, I've also been looking at some options in air-soft 1911s for back-yard practice.
At the end of the day, it's all about putting rounds down range and enjoying the marksmanship experience. It's also a pleasure to have a well-made firearm in your hands, regardless of the trademark it carries.
Holy shit, a Hawaiian gun guy? I thought it was illegal to say "gun" in Hawaii. The hoops you have to jump through are on fire there would be my guess. Awesome to know you're out there.
+Jason Weiss just moved to vegas! Thanks for watching
Reload Hawaii Welcome to the mainland. Keep up the good work.
Is it that hard to get a gun in Hawaii?
In Hawaii the chief of police is also the coroner.. (Scary hu)
shhh they only half goosestep over there in Hawaii.
I quit buying top name brand things a long time ago, well, really when Levi jeans started costing more. I did find other brands of jeans that were cheaper yet just as durable. It seemed to not make any sense to spend more money for that little tag sewed into the seam on the back pocket. I digressed. As for expensive firearms, I think you do get what you paid for and they are of better quality. Some of the less expensive firearms can and may function reliably and serve their purpose, although that's just my opinion.
So many companies and I can't remember the numbers but you'd be surprised I want to say it was over a hundred that produced the 1911 for the war including the Singer sewing machine company. They re tooled all their equipment to make Colt 1911 and actually other mil-spec products. But there again that was when the quality control was based on the mil spec contract. Good video thanks.
I bought a LLAMA 1991 & had it ramped, throated & Accurized. It's a great gun for $450 total. I've had it for about 30 years. Looks & fires like new. I use a hardball, hydroshok, hydroshok, hardball, hardball, hydroshok & hardball in the chamber..... Shoots a 10 inch pattern.
Yes, Colt is worth the premium.
It will cost you to ride the pony! But a Colt 1911 is an investment.
do you lose investment if you actually fire it?
Only if it is rare and unfired.
Not looking for an investment, looking for a good firearm. If you want to drop a grand or more on a gun, knock yourself out. I could buy a Tisus and bunch of food and medical supplies with the same money. But you do you, shug.
@@teller121; not unless you bought it boxed new!
@@alphaplenn I did. A Colt Custom Shop box, brand new...$1,100. Your thoughts?
Whats cooler than owning a real WW l or WW ll 1911 Colt?
A real WWI or WWII Luger, I'd guess. Although for WWI maybe a C96 Mauser. Of course the 1911 is still the shit as a usable weapon.
For the price you have to pay, you can buy any number of better NEW guns. And NOBODY will know your Colt is a "war" gun, unless you tell them.
Selling it for 10k
a p08 luger. One of the most sought-after collectibles of the era
A V2 is way cooler ;-)
I just purchased a Para Ordnance 1911 7.45 (used) from my FFL. It shoots great, feels great and was about half the cost of a new Colt 1911.
I think you did a good job and the video was fun and worth watching. One thing I'd consider for the future, is to take the grips off the frame before you weigh them. The budget 1911 seemed to have thicker grips, which may explain the weight difference. That might be good to know.
+james there i have more 1911 videos where i so that. Thanks for watching!
I would choose. COLT any day my friend 👍
Leo Moretti : As would I. 👍
I always wanted a 1911 and figure that buying a good one means I’ll never wonder if buying a cheaper gun was a good decision. I’d rather buy one ☝️ Colt and be exactly where I am. It is my favorite of favorites in 10mm Stainless with Wilson Combat upgrades and all internals polished that I did myself. If I could take one item when I leave this world....
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Or you could buy a gun that isn't a piece of shit like a P226, GLOCK or M&P. 1911s are mostly for hipsters, fudds and imageboard pedos.
Dr. Froggle what an idiotic statement
Colt pistols are kinda like a Harley Davidson if you take very good care of it and keep it long enough they hold their value (maybe even go up in value)
As a fine shooter ( That's me ☺ ) I love this gun!
No matter YT!
Fine upload..
A refreshing paced video, well done dude..
we are on the same page. I've owned several Colt .45s I now have a Metro Arms Amigo that at least in fit, finish, and accuracy, is the equal of any of them. And at a fraction of the price the thing is built like a bank vault
There is nothing out there that is going to surpass the good old .45 Colt Model 1911!!! The same has been found with the old and simple .50 cal machine gun!!! It's old, has a slower rate of fire. However, I would not want to be on the receiving end...
Let us know how many rounds it takes before the cheap one needs repairs.
it's on about 5000
Same materials. Shouldn't matter, Right?
Are they the same materials? Tolerances also matter too.
If you can buy 2 for the price of 1.....I dunno man. Also, how many rounds are you shooting that you are wearing your gun out? Most guys aren't throwing that much lead down range....not at $20/box (roughly). In a blind test, I'll bet most wouldn't know it wasn't a Colt. But there are lemmons in anything you buy....
I'll be moving to Hawaii soon and man, I was shocked to here you say you're from Hawaii. It seems very rare.
I 100% agree with most people. I will never dish out money to the turks. I'm sure it's a good gun, but no thanks.
I would much rather give my money to a proud American company with a long history of arming our military.
Which island are you on?
I can't wait to see open carry become legal. Since I'm coming to Hawaii from a free US state.
Great comparison with a short and sweet breakdown. I agree the Tasis is the way to go. Thanks
When my dad passed away last year I got to keep his 1911 colt 45 he was issued in 1953 when he was in Korea. It looks like a brand new gun even with it being over 60 years old. I haven't fired it yet but it's had a good cleaning and all of that. Not sure what it's worth but that's ok because I will never sell it.
Great vid.
nah it was 25 yards
All the paper targets you get with pistols showing the grouping. These are 21 feet distance..7yds.
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probably, they shoot about the same. But, what you are forgetting is the Colt will always have better resale value if the condition is the same. Also, I much prefer the 70 series Colt design to the 80 or 91.
Thank you from Brazil. Unfortunately this only in videos here. Thank you thank you. Thank you Americans for giving us hope of a free nation.
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The atf government agency just made over 1 million USA citizens felons by reclassification of pistol braces as regulated SBR’s. I’m not trying to kill the ideal just letting you know, we have to fight constantly, and never give in to keep it. I hope your politicians or people make the right choice.
The slight differences for me have been in the magazines and which one takes any magazine, and which one is picky. The other slight differences are in the eternal parts that you can’t see. Nothing to argue about. Good video!
I got a Tisas 1911 A2 from buds for $300 and have had several hundred round through it with no complaints for the money.
The only real noteable issue is the cruddy plastic grips.
Fully worth the price, as good, if not better than Rock Island.