It used to be believed that it was hard to refine morons. But the EV revolution has proved the naysayers so wrong. Morons are now produced in quantities never before believed possible.
The amount of incompetent ceos in corporations is astounding, most executives basically know very little to nothing about their industry and only contribute to destroying their customer base.
Like the Hertz executives who bought all those EVs for their rent vehicles without knowing that customers would reject them for obvious reasons. Didn't they even try driving one any distance?
It's not entirely incompetence, they're being heavily leant on by the investment 'portfolio' companies imposing what amount to social credit scores (DEI, ESG) on them that are a large part of determining their _credit worthiness_ - in our lending/debt-based monetary system that's not a trivial consideration even for multi-billion £$€ corporations
Here’s the omelette - 7 seats, 0-100 in 5.3 seconds, 36m 100-0 braking, zero fuel cost (solar), silent running, instant torque, zero cancer-causing emissions, zero reliance on unreliable foreigners to send refined fuels to Oz, same price. Need I go on?
I truly appreciate your perspective. A friend has built his career on renewable energy as a consultant, and obviously is a huge supporter of EVs. While drinking bourbon and talking about such matters, his glass is not only half full, but overflowing! Anytime I bring up what to me seem like potential issues, he sweeps Small under the carpet. I find it amazing. Thanks for keeping things in perspective.
Keep your opinion going ….let him live in fairy land…the fairy’s of EV’s because it’s all just a BIG fairytale….this country or any country is NOT viable for EV’s …..one day he might get it
To be fair most people sweep the problems of ICE vehicles under the rug. Not many people concerned with the negative health effects from emissions etc.
It is not only the very high insurance costs killing EV ownwership, some companies in UK are refusing to insure EV at any price, some charging £5K a year. But of course the real killer is the cliff-edge depreciation of EV.
The cost to insure Supercars like Ferraris and Lamborghinis has always been that high on England (and here as well), which is understandable given the cost of parts and repairs. But the difference is that EV’s are aimed at “replacing ordinary passenger vehicles” that everyone is supposed to enthusiastically swap over to. If you can afford a supercar, expensive insurance is no big deal. Less do when you’re Joe Average buying a family car.
Do you own an EV? Just renewed.... insurance still lower than it was on the originally similarly priced but in the end much lower value 10 year old car ICEV the EV replaced. It is hell for many brands trying juggle both EVs and ICEVs during a transition, but so far, more plusses than minuses and far less expense as an owner of EV than ICEV. No more about "being green" for me than solar roof panels...... just about what works and what saves money. Most EVs are still too overpriced for the savings or convince many buyers, but some big sellers are already at the point where they make dollars and sense.
Where you get that scare story? Daily Mail or Express or this channel maybe?. My Tesla insurance has gone up 50% this year true (like a lot of things) - but it still only £450 p.a. - which is still less than my old Audi. By my understanding *all* insurance has ratcheted up this year - for ICE as well. As for depreciation - I didnt know so I just checked my 3 year old Tesla out on autotrader . Lost median about 35% . But that's the same as an Audi A3 ICE. So your 'cliff edge' is nothing but normal depreciation. You know nothing
@@onefiniteplanet Where do you live ? I was talking about UK at the moment, but most insurance companies are international so the high premiums will spread.
I am completing my 2 year EV lease soon and am going back to my gasoline car full time. I’m glad I didn’t sell the gas car. The EV for me was not worth the cost and inconvenience.
@@aljoubert87492022 Nissan Leaf. The car costs more to own than my Honda civic. The tires on the leaf went uniformly bald at 13,000 miles despite tire rotations every 5000 miles. The cost of residential electricity doubled in my area of New England soon after I got the car which means it’s cheaper to drive my civic at 40 mpg at $3 a gallon. Also, when I needed to travel with the car (my wife had the civic then) chademo chargers were very hard to find and pretty expensive. Again, more expensive than if I just used my civic (lesson learned). Lastly, I need to use the AC all the time to clear the windshield due to the humidity in my area. That drains the battery tremendously. Knock off at least 20 miles of range any time you run the AC. And highway driving sucks down the range even quicker. Every 10 miles of range on the display actually equates to about 5 miles of real world driving.
The floors of the Luton Airport car park were concrete cast in galvanised pressed steel trough formwork with some longitudinal reinforcing in the slabs. Photos clearly show that the steel trough section failed due to the heat from the burning vehicles above causing the floors to collapse as you stated. Clearly that form of construction is far from ideal but it appears that a lot of the multi-story car parks in the UK are built this way. More such disasters on the horizon I imagine!
The thing is , is that the internal combustion car was never forced onto the public , as the auto became affordable to the working class after the 1940s the public embraced it because it was just way better and gave them the freedom no previous working class before . The oil companies saw the value in investing in petrol stations everywhere , it grew naturally out of demand .After the first car appeared in the 1900s ,the government never banned horses and demand everyone get a car by 1926
I was invited to the New York Auto Show by Mercedes a few years back and was astonished to come across an exhibition of American-made electric cars from the 1920s. It turns out that there were many EV makers in the US back then, but they all went extinct when the IC engine became reliable. Back then their lead acid batteries suffered from excessive weight, slow charging rate, poor range, inconvenience, high costs etc. In short, nothing has changed and history has once again been forgotten.
@@iankuah8606 look up Jay Leno. He still has a working one. He states the reason they failed was EV was advertised as a ladies car as there was no need to hand crank. Ice was marketed for men. Women just didn't want to drive so the ev died.
@@henrylicious The US grid is on the verge of collapse today. WOKE idiots in California are causing brown outs in parts, and Las Vegas still has to import electricity from neighbouring parts in summer when the lights and air-cons are going full blast. Eggs. Basket.!!!!
You are correct here. Why should the average person looking to buy a reliable car that has none of the disadvantages of EVs buy anything but a IC car? The early adopters have bought their expensive EVs but the average buyer is having a good look at EVs and saying 'NO". The only issue would be governments around the world mandating further restrictions for sale of new petrol/diesel cars but I think public opinion will prevail and there are countless numbers of developing countries which have no chance of adopting EVs in the foreseeable future. There has been no mention of 'peak oil' in recent times and I believe that petrol powered cars will be around for a long time yet.
@@domingodesantaclara1130OMG, so you have learned a new word? Great! But if you still believe that EV is still just about CO2 reduction, you clearly didn’t hear the bell.
Here in Australia we've been encouraging landlords to buy more homes and subsidise them with a tax deduction on rental losses known as "negative gearing".
The family and I were very keen on an electric transport option. Once I heard about the general automotive battery chemical composition that idea was thrown out. I worked in a chemical blending factory producing many different products. With very little knowledge of batteries the chemicals alone were scary enough, let alone their implementation.
@@dzerres I made the chemicals used for clean ups. The choice has been made to not blow up my house or family. With hydrogen power coming on line, companies already showing we need not waste more materials as we can fit it to current cars, the solution for myself has been presented. I do not throw away a perfectly good car just to keep up appearances.
@@dzerresEver work at a lithium mining station? Have you listen people losing their home with ev car? Have you heard insurance price rise for ev? No stations or sometime not functional station. Sorry, i prefer Ice car, i bought one in 2021 instead of plugin hybrid i initially planned. I am very happy with my choice. I don’t want ev car.
@@madmick379413:47 As a chemist you will known that lithium iron batteries are bullet proof and have no Cobolt or Nickle. Incident rate of fire is very low compared to ice. The oz Lithium mining exec did not know about the largest lithium reserve discovered in USA. Also Lithium free batteries are in production.
@dzerres Oil spills as rare as they are won't compare to the catastrophe coming from these shite EVz. Between the fires they'll cause to structures to the accident carnage they'll cause due to their weight, to the environmental impact when they start showing up in 3rd world country incinerators. Oh yea, and to the electrical grid when it can't keep up with demand. The gullible bleeding heart liberals that ruined capitalist countries with their welfare programs got it wrong... AGAIN.
I saw a video of someone who had an EV pick up truck living in Southern California. His video was about trying to find fast charging around where he lived, and also going on a family trip. He couldn’t find any. Not even regular charge. They were either broken, or a part of an appertmen complex and you could only use it if you lived there. If he did find any working ones, it was very few in one spot, and they were occupied. Where I live,, we have a thing called, Winter. Batteries hate cold, and so do wind shields because of frost, and ice.
In Norway, where there are a large number of people driving EVs, they also have a thing called winter. They dont seem to have problems with their EVs in Norway.
@@GraemeHart8888 EVs in those climates use battery power to maintain the appropriate heated temperature for the battery to operate. In other words, battery power is used to keep the batteries from freezing over.
@@commonsense-grs And now for the next trick, Rocky, "Let's see you pull some figures out of the hat, verified, with citation". Folklore, that's all that claim is. Unsubstantiated nonsense. Prove me wrong.
@@pickledpets Your insurance has gone up because electric cars have a habit of self combusting. Insurance companies have realised that they catch fire a bit more often than you’d think also if you have an accident in one it’s none too easy to find garages who want to repair these eyewateringly expensive toys. I've heard that if an electric car is involved in a collision, even a minor one, it has to be stored 15 metres in any direction from any other vehicle or building whilst waiting to be repaired. Ferry companies are allegedly very wary about carrying damaged EVs. I’ve always been of the opinion people who buy EV cars are the same people who expect Tesco to have strawberries in December.
@@JamesSmith-qs4hxnot just that, if you put a ding in your EV, who's to say if the battery is damaged? You can't just put some filler in and spray it. And if it is damaged, that's $30k up in smoke before you begin.
The number of large corporations that back pedal on green initiatives or get caught out doing record levels of pollution is staggering. They are all for carbon credits but bring up carbon credit transparency, and suddenly, they are drawing more lines than charlie Sheen on snow day.
Here in the states I can fill up my car for less then the cost of charging and go farther than an EV. I havs no car payment and do my own maintenance. Even if the EV was free it would cost more to operate then my current ICE vehicle. I would have to factor in the premium a person pays for an EV over an ICE vehicle, plus higher insurance cost and higher depreciation, it would be much more expensive for me.
@@multicyclist buying any new car when you don't need to buy a new car is bad economics and bad for the environment, regardless of whether an EV or not. Not that anyone should buy an EV for the environment if the costs for them don't add up. just like with rooftop solar. The variability of the cost of charge ranges from more expensive than buying gas to free and if you can charge at home it should be WAY less expensive than buying gas. Of course not everyone can charge at home which is just one reason why while EVs are already great for some people, it will be a few more years before they may make any sense at all for many others
@@RasmusDyhrFrederiksen If say a majority of drivers switched to EV that energy cost is gonna go up to likely about parity with petrol, if not more because of all the infrastructure upgrades that have to be rolled into the price of electricity to support EV charging. EU already has some absolutely insane electricity prices, and EVs will just drive them up more.
Hi John, It would be ‘absolutely fabulous’ if you could do a video where you pose questions and scenarios face to face with the Hon Chris Bowen regarding the EV revolution and how all that is tracking into the future🧐 I know in reality he wouldn’t have the balls to front up, but if it did happen I’m sure it would be enlightening if not straight out entertaining. Keep up the great content.
Having Chris Bowen, or any politician in Australia on tv for a live debate on EV cars with JC would be a ratings winner. We can only hope that happens.
Best episode ever. You made sense without a lot of over sensationalism. Sounded knowledgeable and creditable without hamming it up so much. Well done, a LOT of very sensible points there.
A person can sound knowledgeable and credible but if he or she has the fundamentals wrong, e.g. facts based on data and evidence then it matters not how good they look.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Not coming up with any counter facts then? Tell us all where John has gone wrong factually in order to test your theories o wise one😂😂😂
Dead right about the recycling issue. In my area (central Kentucky - listen out for them banjos!), even glass - the most recyclable substance around - is for the garbage bin. Evidently it's cheaper for companies to buy new glass than pay for the time and expense of cleaning, sorting and purifying used glass...and so there's no business model that includes using recycled glass currently. Paper is the same. And while it's not all plastics going in the trash, there is a lot that recyclers won't accept. Forget getting cash for any of this stuff - they won't accept it, even if _you_ paid _them_ for it.
USA as a third world country, I wouldn't take advice from there. You can use glass to make glass wool insulation, no need to purify. Here almost nothing goes to landfill by laws. Recycled plastic has higher demand than they can produce etc..
@@Tsiikki US is by definition a first world country. 3rd world doesn't mean "shitty", it's cold war jargon that means "not aligned with one of the two superpowers".
Yup, recycling is turning out to be another scam, where they get to charge you double for your garbage pickup. Believe me, once the local government gets a parasitic tax scam going, they cannot be weaned off of it.
My greatest concern is how to recover from all these economic and global troubles and stay afloat especially with the political power tussle going on in US. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens,and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.
The wisest thought that is in everyone's minds today is to invest in different income flows that do not depend on the government, especially with the current economic crisis around the world. This is still a good time to invest in gold, silver and digital currencies (BTC, ETH.... stock,silver and gold)
Individuals are still holding crypto coin and stocks? I didn't know that, I guess a few know about integrating into the micro economy to help substitute FIAT or usdt for a more tangible exchange Experience, it more like capitalization with about 43.307% profits/ ROI weekly though.. ps.. Tara Elizabeth Stewart, got me covered thanks.
So much pain in my heart due to so many debts. How can I go about it!! would really appreciate it if you show me how to go about it. Please what crypto should I buy, how can I do it?
@@NellyMeierAs a newbie you'll need to invest in a company that is working towards sustainability, like that of expert Tara Elizabeth, and her abilities in handling investments are top notch
Three years ago I had a running dialogue with a Tesla Fanbois on a significant point you mentioned. I asked him to Google how much Lithium was required to make a battery pack for any EV he chose. Then to divide that amount of Lithium into the known commercial reserves of Lithium. This would give him the total number of possible EVs. I then asked him to compare that figure with the TOTAL global vehicle fleet to see how small a percentage it was. His only response was that EVs won't always need Lithium batteries. Conclusion was that the fanbois only concentrate on the narrative other than the facts.
@aljoubert8749 Your figure of 20kg is ludicrous. The larger EV cars, SUVs and ALL American pickups use upwards of 60kg. Then there are the likes of the Cybertruck and commercial buses and delivery trucks, ALL of which use much more than 100kg. Suddenly, your math is as rubbery as that cove 3 years ago!!
@@aljoubert8749No, you're a TYPICAL example of EV IGNORANCE. Here's a few FACTS.... According to the latest scientific research: ALL the personal/private vehicles on Earth account for less than 4% of ALL Greenhouse emissions. EV's & hybrids account for less than 4% of personal/private vehicles. Industrial international transportation accounts for less than 12% of ALL Greenhouse gas emissions. DO THE MATH Einstein! Then tell me about the long term environmental/economical/social costs of mining/production/recycling/disposing of your EV battery. In closing..... Get educated or STFU! & Fyi.... Yer hero Elon is a bigoted grifter. FACTS!
@aljoubert8749 Oh, and beside your ridiculous 20Kg figure, you are forgetting the electronics and power tool industries and that a quarter of Lithium mined goes into other products other than batteries.
I enjoy the heck oot of listening/sometimes watching you. All I can say is I am glad none of my immediate neighbors have any of these vee-hickles next door to my humble abode. Peace
Little Johnny is just appealing to those like yourself who are no different to the EV evangelists. The entire car market is struggling in EV price brackets, as are economies. Market trends and manufacturer investment suggests this is all going one way, the EV way. Like it or not, it’s the way it is.
@@M4rt_FXthe reason car makers were going down the BEV path was down to government legislation and greenwashing from the car companies. When the general population woke up and smelt the BS, people have wised up that the BEV utopia is not realistic.
@@typhoon320i don't forget smartphones...they will never take off...Steve Ballmer CEO of Microsoft said so and he should know...same as CD or DVDs, streaming music and movies will never replace good old fashioned hard copies...plus all that streaming would break the internet...it couldn't cope
Hyundai and Rivian are dumping large numbers of billions into new plants near Savannah and Covington/Social Circle in Georgia. As a life long GA resident I'm figuring that my state tax is going to increase by a measurable amount as a result of the subsidies thrown at these plants. I've been noting for a couple of years now that EV insurance is going to get very expensive. So any "fuel" savings are going to be offset or more than offset by insurance cost.
It is not only insurance costs, some companies in UK are refusing to insure EV at any price, some charging £5K a year and of course the cliff-edge depreciation of EV.
I'm waiting for that cliff edge depreciation to kick in so I can buy one to run around town. And save the real cars for what they do best. Insurance companies in the U.S. don't seem to have raised EV rates so far, just raising all rates to cover the cost of EV repair.
What do you think well happen with those factories when the subsidies run out, people realize owning these vehicles isnt worth the headaches and manufacturers abandon the whole EV program?
That's where the tax money will go. I'm 77, may not be around for the entire collapse. OTOH, that collapse may come more rapidly than we think. And if those plants ever make any profit it will go back to Korea.
That's a great point about car insurance I think that alone might stop the whole electric car movement. I know it was one of the main factors for me why I got rid of my electric car because the insurance tripled on it.
EVs are frankly a scam, the government push a ruse for mass transit. Billions and billions of dollars were redirected to resurrect and repackage an arcane 19th Century technology that lost its market share in 1910 without government interlopers, but which is now compelled onto the masses at great expense to low and middle-income consumers and taxpayers, as a novelty for wealthy buyers, all at the behest of contextual fraud. The cause of EVs (aka stopping "climate change") is a modern-day Tower of Babel, sowing failure, chaos and confusion in markets and nations, including those that lack the infrastructure to even enjoy a single EV! It's all quite absurd!
Re battery recycling, I recall a couple of years ago a report from Germany that they had set up with the Czech Republic a pilot plant for recycling / recovery of EV batteries. The flat statement was that it was never going to be commercial and that the only way would be for states to provide and operate the facilities.
I don't doubt there's probably some stuff recoverable from modern batteries. But it'll inevitably involve lots of big gnawing machines, probably some extreme heat and chemicals that would make the Toxic Avenger move swamp if they were dumped in there. It's just not on the same level as something simple like steel, aluminum and PET bottles- which already are enough to make greenies frothing at the mouth when they get remelted. Lithium batteries... yeah, if it doesn't burn the scrapyard down its going to be a hoot with what happens next!
@@krissteel4074even if what you're saying is true (it isn't) it would still be cheaper and better for the environment than digging it out of the ground and refining it, or do you know something chemists and physicists don't?
There is plenty of room in redundant Polish coal mines. Dump and forget is the cheapest way. There is no end to the environmental menace presented by EVs. The only reason that the Germans were interested in Czech Republic was because they thought they could get away with blue murder in Czech Republic. Finding that the Czechs were already on the case, the Germans withdrew.
Friends of mine brough a newv top of the range BYD Chinese ev (40,000 dollars plus on road costs )about a year and half ago Its got less than 43,000 kms on the clock and they went in to trade it on another ev They got 4 grand as a trade in So in a year and a half the ev had depreciation about 90 % It would have been cheaper to throw stacks of 100 dollar bills out the window each time you drove the vehicle
Once again, thank you. Logic and reason. The EV-angelicals might give you a little less pushback if you mentioned your years with the Electric Kona more often. You, like myself, really wish that the EV promises were true. But they aren't.
lol, sounds just like Blackberry, or the 90s Internet Fad. Probably think EVs are set on fire more too when EVs are 10-80x less likely per driveable mile.
Hi John, Bought an MG EV for my wife abut 6 to 8 months ago, 8 months ownership was enough, sold it now at a loss of course and gone back to an ICE. The advertised range is nowhere near what you actually get when you start using all the other electrical "stuff", lights wipers, air con etc etc. The MG was a nice vehicle, deceptively quick for an EV., lots of gadgets and gizmos that made driving a nice experience, however the charging infrastructure isn't there to support the vehicles. Great vid as usual John.
Kind of blows my mind dude how people say they’re happy to buy an EV and then wait around for it to charge. If you could run it completely off PV solar I’d understand to a degree but I can’t fathom why anyone in this day and age, with most being time poor, why people would want to wait around 30-60 minutes (or more) to charge their vehicle.
The EV buyers are reaching their peek. The rest of us ICE owners are happy with what we have. It is still overall cheaper to own and run ICE vehicles if you keep it for more than 10 years. It will cost you the price of a new ICE vehicle to replacd the battery. You EV tyers need replacing more often and at a greater cost than a normal car. So the costs overall its cheaper to drive an ICE car.
not to mention that you cannot even find parts for some ev's after 10 years or less. The companies are dropping support for their first gen units. What good is an electric car if you cannot buy fresh AA batteries for it. I can still buy AA batteries for this fookin golf cart why cant i get batteries anymore for a 2014 chevorlet Spark EV!!!!!!!!
I think that a lot of people nowadays buy cars like they buy phones: That is they purchase them on a payment plan and simply sell them on after they have paid off the debt with the intention of getting another one, being with happy to get any money back from their initial purchase.
Your idea of EV's are dated. the technology has came a long way in fact LFP chemistry batteries can last a million KMS. How many modern cars run a Million KMS these days? lucky to get half of that. So why would u replace the battery? Funnily enough the opposite is happening and the batteries are now OUTLASTING the cars themselves and there is a new market of companies buying old EV's for batteries to use them for battery storage. Im still trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion it is cheaper to drive a ICE vehicle? Fuel prices are fucked and will only get worse. EV's have substantially less moving parts which means way less points of failure. Did you even factor in the cost of servicing? Registration? What if you have Solar at home? and charge during the day? you are essentially driving for FREE. untied from corporate and government controlled oil, Unless of couse you refine you own fuel? I don't even own an EV, I have an offroad 4x4 and a V8 camaro. But its obvious Electric is the future. unfortunately its tied up and being pushed with political bullshit.
@@Borkeryi have a feeling youre going to see this with ice vehicles in the next 10 years. The rapidly changing technology (especially in the collision and safety side of it) with more sensors, cameras, emissions devices, etc. Along with government regulations and mandates i dont think dealerships will be capable of stocking parts for vehicles over 5-7 years old. As complex as these things are now, the aftermarket isnt going to be able to produce parts, the manufacturers arent going to be able to continue making parts for older vehicles. Your vehicle is going to be another appliance. Like every other appliance, theyll be designed to have a 5-7 year life span.
Future students of economics will study the EV debacle of how, absent intervention, some products wouldn't exist. Govt intervention in the market ALWAYS skews the outcome, because intervention is central planning on a diet, and we've enough empirical evidence on how well that works. And isn't it an exo-phallus? Asking for a bee friend.
@davidvanderklauw Utopia. Only 2 people live there though. They once had a third migrant, but the result was politics, the slippery slope from which govt is born. So they got rid of the migrant.
Indeed, and we are not even talking communist governments here. Mind you the CCP has really screwed the pooch in China. As they give a $7,000 per car subsidy to EV makers various companies have sprung up producing small shit box EVs that cost $4k or less to make, pile them up in fields (lots of RUclips videos on this subject) as they are too crap to sell to customers, and pocket the balance! Chinese ingenuity has taken EV fraud to a whole new level
I always find it incredible that very few people realize the logistic nightmare charging EVs would actually be. I owned an EV for about a year. My 50 kilometer, one way, or 100 kilometer round trip to work would consume 75 to 95% of the vehicles range. This was in the Phoenix Arizona valley which had some hills going from SE Phoenix to Eastern Scottsdale. I had a Nissan Leaf. Charging the car with 120 volts took over 23 hours so I installed a 240 volt charging system in my garage. The manual stated that charging the car with the 120 volt charger would negatively impact the battery life just as the fast charging 240 charger and recommended the standard 240 volt charger. The lowest battery charge I had was in the summer when running A/C was mandatory and there was a traffic jam. About five miles from my house I was getting all sorts of warnings from the car. The fast 240 volt charge from a 20% battery to 100% took two and a half hours. I realize that there are better models that take less time so let's go with the best charge time from 25% to 100% taking 30 minutes. Now go to busy gas station and time how many IC vehicles drive in, fill up and leave in 30 minutes. Now take the count of the fuel pumps and do the math to figure out how many charging stations would be required to successively accommodate the same flow of vehicles every 30 minutes in order to charge their batteries. If for example there were ten pumps and an average of 6 vehicles were at the pumps taking 6 minutes to fuel, in 30 minutes that would be 30 IC vehicles that would have fueled in that 30 minutes using 60% of the available pumps. Now to accommodate 30 EVs to charge you would require 30 charging stations. What happens when all ten pumps are being used by IC vehicles for that 30 minute duration? That would be twice as many IC vehicles fueling and then the EV charging stations would need to double to 60. That would mean an increase in the diesel engine powered generators and six times the foot print of a 20 pump IC fueling station. It's one thing to plug in your car over night to charge it for the next day, it's another waiting at a charging station for hours while you wait your turn because you'll be stranded miles from the next charging station.
Live in Melbourne Australia, quoted $5500 approx for tesla model 3 insurance. Joke ! What will it be in 3 years ? My existing mustang gt insurance from same company $1000 approx. I will stick with ICE for now.
The Luton airport fire was started by a hybrid battery. There are so many issues around EVs. Every step there is an issue; but at the end if the day, we can’t produce the electricity needed.
I’m still waiting for home batteries to come down in price. Should be plenty of excess production not getting put into cars as these providers are geared up for mass increase
The problem with EV fires is that you can't just put them out. When a petrol or diesel-powered vehicle catches alight and the fuel tank lets go, if you dump enough high-pressure water or foam/fire retardant on it then you can extinguish the blaze fairly quickly as you deprive it of oxygen. However in the case of an EV, the chemical reaction unleashed when a lithium ion battery ignites and goes into uncontrolled runaway combustion continues to provide oxygen and combustion fuel components just like a rocket motor, and thus cannot be extinguished by traditional oxygen-depriving means. So the only thing to do is to stand back and let the fire from the ruptured battery pack burn itself out over several hours; all good if the car is out in the open away from other vehicles and buildings/structures, but problematic in and underground parking structure etc.
Thanks John, another enjoyable video. I was waiting for you to talk about the thousands of BYD and other Chinese shyt boxes being stored as none wants them.
Got nothing wrong with EVs, though I don't see myself ever owning one, I hope they work out for many many people. What I have a problem with is government mandating and subsidizing them and increasingly regulating- or outright banning- combustion vehicles. If EVs are great, which they may be someday, let them succeed on their own merit.
Germany makes electricity by burning coal and russian natural gas or expensive USA liquid natural gas. Yeah there are wind turbines and there are some solar panels but burning stuff for energy is name of the game. So they kinda wanna more gasoline and diesel because it's about to who they wanna give money for energy
It is already happening, as well as repurposing the car batteries for households, agriculture and industry. Compare the price of a house battery to a used car battery from a write off etc and the power it can hold.
The true green option is to make very reliable ICE vehicles than will last for 150K-250K miles with minimal repairs. Even if that means those vehicles are not the most fuel efficient. No one is factoring in the carbon footprint of replacing vehicles that only last for 100K miles without major repairs.
I agree, recycling should be mandated or encouraged by a deposit scheme. The problem is many batteries will spend a decade in a car and then another decade in stationary storage so a deposit scheme may be easier and more effective than a mandate.
It's hard to justify that when still nobody wants the stuff. Sure, you could fund some unwanted recycle scheme and jack up massively the price of EVs, but is that a win?
@@xpusostomosthere is already a black mass market and as more batteries become available the economics for recycling improve. Battery recycling will become commonplace.
😂😂 “where’s your fuckin omelette?”. So funny. I love it. Great ending. If I was going to get an EV, it would be something like the Aptera. Aero dynamic and lightweight, so the battery is smaller for a given range . It has integrated solar panels so it would be parked outside to absorb energy. It seems to me that a lot of EVs have been designed to the idea that they will be a direct replacement for a conventional IC car in appearance, performance and range. Perhaps, EVs could be a viable proposition if the mission was more modest and practical. Also, there needs to be more design emphasis on preventing and mitigating the consequences of TR. For example TR could be prevented by having voltage, and temperature sensors and a shunt on every cell. Active thermal management of the battery should be mandatory, not optional. Also, some thought should be given to how the battery is assembled, installed and connected within the car. Ideally, there would be an economical, safe, idiot proof procedure for replacing failing cells that is accessible to a competent mechanic. Now that is just my idea for Electric Utopia. Oh yeah and how about this for a conspiracy theory?, “The car industry and governments have deliberately fucked the electric car idea up, to be able to validate the prolonging of the conventional IC engine car industry. .. Nah, just kidding. They fuck stuff up as naturally as breathing. They don’t even need to think about it. I do think this EV trip is a massive greenwashing distraction from real action on climate change though.
EVs only make sense in a certain life style. One certain lifestyle: You live in a city. A city that rarely sees snow. A city that rarely sees brownouts. You drive a short distance, in stop and go traffic, each day. You rarely go above 60 mph If you can go home and charge. If you can sit at home for an extra day when you forgot to charge. So, basically a grocery getter in a city.
It's going to be weird in 20-30 years, when former youngsters want to restore a car from their youth. There's going to be this black hole from 2010-2030 where nothing is valuable or usable. Are there going to be 3rd parties rebuilding vintage battery packs? Are you going to have to homebrew a charging station at your home? Will Teslas even turn on once the mothership goes down? Like finding a 5 1/4" floppy drive at a yard sale... Where do you plug it in? Where do you find diskettes? Do you have any files that would fit on it?
Already the performance cars from the 2000's and early 2010's are becoming collectable. The later mass touch screen interior controlled cars are going to be the ones that will most likely be unrepairable
@@bentullett6068 I didn't think about the interior interfaces. They've ditched the DIN stereo mounts for years now and switched to their bespoke screens. I have a '14 Mazda 3 with the b&w cheap-o display but it's up in it's own housing on top of the dash, so even that won't last. It is just audio, but there's nowhere else to install a regular head unit, so when that goes and stock dries up, that's it. The wife has a new Outback with the massive slab-screen and that will be doomed. No more HVAC control, no more stereo, no more heated seats, maintenance reminders, warnings, etc.
In support of Tesla: Tesla has a technology advantage in the design of the build of its vehicles and of its factories. Each Tesla factory is an opportunity to use ‘lessons learned” to improve the design of the factory. Each subsequent build is better than the previous one. The Fremont plant is not even close to the Shanghai plant and the plant in Austin is a notable improvement over the Shanghai plant. Personally I am curious to see how the the plant in Mexico improves over the previous ones. In my humble opinion the Legacy automakers would still be in trouble if Tesla was just building ICE cars due to the its efficiencies in the build design of the vehicles and its production facilities.
I can see a business opportunity removing the EV drive train and replacing it with a new petrol drive train. Recycling, unwanted, motor vehicles is better for the environment than just having EV sitting deteriorating .
Nah, the design wouldn't allow it. Best option if possible would be remove the battery and replace with a small diesel generator. Jaguar did produce a prototype hybrid that used 2 small diesel turbines to recharge a battery, maybe there's enough room to squeeze a couple in in place of the battery but in the end probably too hard. Remove the battery then send to the Armish to connect there own horse power unit.
Hahaha, it's already happening. A guy in the US (Rich ???) has fitted a whopping V8 into a Tesla so it isnt impossible. Problem is, who would buy a V8 suppository?? 😂😂😂😂
@@nigelliam153 Haha, design would allow it, I the past I have helped and built a number of Hot Rods fitting a V8 into Ford Escort, Cortinas, etc. It’s simple engineering and work to make it work.
How cool would it be to shoehorn a Holden red 202 6 pack into a Telsa? If it didn't shake the Tesla apart within 15000 ks, the thirsty 15L per 100km mileage would quickly expand your social circles as you reacquaint yourself with Raj at the servo.
Wrong. Most people drive around their suburbs ... for which EVs are quite suitable and also quite efficient of doing . One could also argue that battery technology is still in its development stage. Clearly lithium ion batteries are not the last word in battery tech (sorry John Cadogan, you are wrong about this.) Let us never forget that for many people having no car would be the the best option for 90% of the time, providing adequate efficient public transport infrastructure was available. Thus going really "Green" means less roads, less cars and better public transport.. No, I was not suggesting that personal car ownership wasn't a valid option in some instances somewhere in the outback countryside! But behaving as if AGW did not exist and even if it did there wasn't absolutely anything one could do about its mitigation, that would be nothing but a huge folly on one's part. EVs are just a tiny transitional step in the right direction, despite what the publisher of this video asserts. I suggest that taking always the accountants way of thinking about such matters as environmental sustainability is NOT the way we should travel on. I am sorry, but I am fed up completely with covertly politically motivated green bashing. Technological problems should be solved by technological solutions, and not by fancy accounting nor by political dogmatism.
John Did you hear about the guy who swapped his diesel company vehicle to a used Skoda Enyag with 60,000 kms on the clock company vehicle? Hes situated in the Madrid ev green belt In 2 months he had 6 apps due to all the different charges and the cost of public charging aledgedly went up 135 % to the equivalent of buying petrol or diesel Aledgedly Driving the Skoda Enyag the same as he did with his past diesel vehicle cut the ev range by about half and had to lip home with no a/c and driving 90 on the auto barn on several occasions Then Skoda aledgedly did an software up date on his ev and Kentucky fried the Thermic Control System on the battery Making the ev inoperable Wayne Perth W.A This is not my material Source material is from Exotic Car Play Place on RUclips
Stop it John. After this video, every time I see a broken egg I see and e.v. While every omelette I see brings to mind a magnificent ICE vehicle; refined and evolved from 150 years of free market capitalism, dedication, innovation and development.
10.5 million sales in 2022 including Lexus, Daihatsu and Hino - well ahead of the Volkswagen Group. Toyota kept global sales steady and increased overall production in 2022, giving it a commanding lead as the world's biggest car-maker.
He mentioned by revenue at least 3 times. VWAG sells Porshes while Toyota indeed sells Daihatsus, and Lexus is about half the size of Audi volume wise. Toyota does sell a lot of premium vehicles under its own brand (Alphard, Crown, Landcruiser), but that doesn't quite make up for it, at least yet.
@@schorriemorrie_04 The VAG Group comprises ten brands from five European countries: Volkswagen, Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, ŠKODA, SEAT, CUPRA, Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Porsche and Ducati.
There is just not enough electrical generation capacity available to make those EV run alongside the existing demand for it. All the battery, recycling, toxicity ,repairing cost, purchasing cost, reliability, are just some little insignificant problems compared to it...
We are already 23 years out of oil ... :D Toxicity is is funny, that we are burning tons of gasoline under our nose, cancer rates are increasing and it seems normal to you. But batteries are toxic ... And how exactly toxic are LFP batteries, for example?
Actually there is still plenty of electricity generation available (Australia) to support any amount of EVs that could be put on the road. But no where near enough charge stations or distribution capacity…but that is another issue. However, once our Green f’wit politicians shutdown more coal power plants,….then the generation issue will be a factor.!
I was working at a resort island in the Whitsundays, Qld about 18 months ago when a 50' motor boat (motor yacht for the yanks) burnt to the water because of a lithium battery overheating and starting the fire. The on island fire brigade attended within minutes and basically could do nothing. Anyway, I would not put a lithium battery in a boat, a car or especially purchase an EV
Hamilton Is - I was on a yacht 2 finger wharfs away. Quite spectacular & devestating to witness the slow start & the acrid black smoke & the total final destruction.
I hoped that EV would work but even someone with no brain could see that they would not work, to expensive, no range, time to change, unsafe, cost off repairs and this is just the small list . Tyres they go through, its probably the same team that convinced our uk government to invent smart motorways ( no hard shoulder) no where to go when you brake down. Keep up your great work and Chanel
They may not work for you but most people who do have an EV lease them, they do have range for 99% journeys (commuting, taking the kids to school - 400km+ is plenty for most of this), charge it overnight, Tesla scored very highly in ancap testing??, repairs - surely that’s what insurance is for??. I bet you’ve never owned one so you’re probably not talking from experience
So Toyota's CEO was right about EVs! 🙂 Hope their hydrogen gamble pays off! Would be good to have plain water coming out of the exhaust pipes in future cars.
Theres scant hope for hydrogen. To replace I road tanker of petrol with hydrogen would require 18 hydrogen tankers. It’s not doable. Hydrogen is mainly used right next to where it's produced. Because it’s just too difficult to store and transport. Lots of info online.@@chrissmith2114
The problem I have with what you say is not so much the basic content, which is almost always very accurate, but rather that it joins the general implication that those of us who have bought EVs are party to the ridiculous stampede to force everyone to only drive such cars. I really enjoy my EV (have done for 10 years) and it has saved me a fortune, but I am just as horrified by the twisted thinking of collective governments as you. I don't even subscribe to the 'green' virtue signalling. That said, it is without doubt that an EV will produce less CO2 than any other type of car, overall, but the suggestion that a wholesale switch would somehow solve any climate issues is quite farcical.
I too have thoroughly enjoyed my EV (Tesla Model Y), in many ways my favorite car of all time. Smooth, safest car on the road, powerful, nearly zero maintenance, way fewer moving parts to fail, great tech that just makes my life easier, plenty of range, and always a full tank because I plug it in every night. Super simple. However, I do agree with some of the points made in this video. The biggest is governments getting involved. Governments almost always F things up, and they certainly are doing it here. Tesla was growing leaps and bounds without government involvement for years. I didn’t need a tax write-off to buy my car, I just knew it was a great car. So, billions of dollars now going to companies and buyers is a huge carrot, but it also cheapens the entire EV industry. I just wish they let it evolve naturally. I also have concerns about recycling. Hopefully they can figure it out and then eventually we could reduce mining. Lastly is fires. It’s funny because gas cars catch fire far more often than EVs, but EVs will do it when parked, and burn much hotter and are nearly impossible to put out. Hopefully the chemical makeup of batteries gets to a point where fires don’t happen this way.
I think it is the majority of EV owners that are living in a fantasy but not all such as yourself. If they could come up with a battery that was more environmentally friendly and more affordable then EV’s will have a big future.
Just starting to notice that Mum and Dad motorist are giving EV's a wide berth in the Car Park. In the local IGA carpark today there were many ICE cars parked next to each other but opposite there was a Tesla parked with no other car closer then 2 parking widths away. I call that "Smart" !
Well i spose you could use your ev as a barbecue when it goes into thermal runaway Unfortunately when the battery shits itself in the cold weather or rain leaving you stranded in the middle of nowhere in freezing temperatures that could be a problem? Or burn several large stacks of 100 dollar When you drive your new ev ofc the dealership parking lot and its depreciation drops like a 500kg stone And that would suck In madrid to charge your ev is 135 % more than to buy petrol or diesel But we all know it wouldnt be long before government's and companies would be profiteering off the tax payer and the idiots that were stupid enough to join the ev cult One guy in the uk drove 1300 kms , had to charge 9 times at between 50 and 70 pounds a pop Thats roughly 80 to 130 Australian dollars each time Compared to 3 or 4 tank fulls with a petrol.or diesel vehicle So where is all this money you save owning an ev as im just not seeing it ?
Hi John. Love the video and have the same positive view about EVs. When lithium batteries are put into landfill and corrosion will eventually allow moisture inside them. Won’t this start an unstoppable underground fire? How environmental friendly is that!!
The problem with the EV craze is that it is most often and most passionately embraced by people who generally are prone to following trends without thinking things through. That's pretty much the definition of a craze. I had a conversation yesterday with a family member who lives in an apartment with open, outdoor parking and wants an EV so she won't have to deal with gas stations and oil changes. I asked this simple question: Where are you going to plug it in? She hadn't considered that.
@@Max_Toovey0308 I'm hoping not. First, she can't afford it, and second, I'll have to hear your grousing about how her complex should install chargers. In short, an EV is a bad call for her, and my goal is to help save her from a very poor decision. I might succeed; I might not.
A funny thing , i bought in 01/2021 a Dacia dokker van with 1300CC turbo gas engine for 13 500 Euro Yes one of the cheapest cars here in Belgium Funny thing is that after almost 3 years it is worrth aroud 15 000 Euro Funny thing is that Renault ( owner of Dacia , their cheap brand ) now makes the new model under Renault-badge so the same model cost now 20 500 Euro I like to see that in 7 or 8 years my very cheap car has the same value than a 50 000 Euro costing Tesla lol
Recycling lithium batteries is going to only happen in a few places, maybe not even in your country? So my question is how do you transport old batteries to the recycling plant? Old batteries are going to be a complete unknown when it come to condition. We are currently having trouble transporting new batteries as they can (and do) catch fire unexpectedly. Old batteries can only be worse.
An UBER driver had with a BYD was under the belief from what he had learnt was a lot of EV fires in the USA were from vehicles that had been dried out after flood events. So imagine a whole heap of EVs being sold on to unsuspecting buyers with degraded electronics. And fire hazard aside, what is already apparent in modern ICE cars, is that the degradation of electronics can't be seen as it is often sealed away unlike mechanical failures which can be more easily identified and more readily able to be repaired.
Here's my take: in Germany VW was losing the EV race to Tesla (USA) and Chinese brands and so VW backed away from commitment to EVs and their friends in the German government helped out by wiping the subsidies plus it helps the government budget. VW lost EV game. German government helped out.
@@bigstu_ Nordstream was irrelevant. The VW board saw the light before other manufacturers. I don't like VWs, they are over-priced for what they are and uncomfortable (You vill not enjoy ziss journey. You vill sit up straight and keep QVIET !) but all credit must go to the board in their attempt to save their company.
Hello John keep the good work up. Has anybody done a test at the Nurburgring Race Track between any EV vehicle and a Petrol and Diesel vehicle to compare the results. Nurburgring is 20.83 km or 12.9 miles all the way round. 15 or 20 laps should give an accurate result.
And yet carmakers aren't sprinting away. More frigged journalism. Which carmakers have walked away,? Dude?. You know , you're gonna run out of sympathetic tradies Think about that for algorithms. We don't hate what you say. We feel sorry. Dude. Have a drink.
Driven hard they barely last a couple of laps so yeah...(to be fair ICE cars will suffer from other issues, heat temps for example, a lap has been compared to the equivalent of several thousand miles wear and tear on that track, it's that demanding when going for it.
@@liberty0758 Rimac Nevera electric hypercar lapped the Nürburgring in 7:05.28, setting a new world record for production EVs. ( and that's production. Not modified,)
Most people dont want an EV car. They arent practical, they take forever to charge, they pollute the environment worse than gas cars if you consider how the batteries are made...They are also soul-less and boring.
The Electric Car world is made up of all four elements…Protons, Neutrons, Electrons and Morons.
It used to be believed that it was hard to refine morons. But the EV revolution has proved the naysayers so wrong.
Morons are now produced in quantities never before believed possible.
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Brilliant 🤩 Comment 😅😂😂😂
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Haven't heard that before but love it 😂😂😂😂😂❤
The amount of incompetent ceos in corporations is astounding, most executives basically know very little to nothing about their industry and only contribute to destroying their customer base.
Like the Hertz executives who bought all those EVs for their rent vehicles without knowing that customers would reject them for obvious reasons. Didn't they even try driving one any distance?
DEI
incompetence on a grand scale is merely a coincidence.. just like the last 3 years
@@floxy20 what are you talking about they can’t keep up with demand for ev rentals and they charge way more for the privilege
It's not entirely incompetence, they're being heavily leant on by the investment 'portfolio' companies imposing what amount to social credit scores (DEI, ESG) on them that are a large part of determining their _credit worthiness_ - in our lending/debt-based monetary system that's not a trivial consideration even for multi-billion £$€ corporations
The last 10 seconds of this video was the best. Probably the best 23 minute punchline setup I've seen this year.
I'll fast-forward to that.. haha.. zzzzz
Here’s the omelette - 7 seats, 0-100 in 5.3 seconds, 36m 100-0 braking, zero fuel cost (solar), silent running, instant torque, zero cancer-causing emissions, zero reliance on unreliable foreigners to send refined fuels to Oz, same price. Need I go on?
No it is just a man in love with the sound of his own voice
I truly appreciate your perspective. A friend has built his career on renewable energy as a consultant, and obviously is a huge supporter of EVs. While drinking bourbon and talking about such matters, his glass is not only half full, but overflowing! Anytime I bring up what to me seem like potential issues, he sweeps Small under the carpet. I find it amazing. Thanks for keeping things in perspective.
Your friend is the kind of eternal optimist who can't believe he is being mugged even as the thugs force him to the ground!
It's the Bourbon talking.
I bet your the type who is full of issues and he's used to doing so.
Keep your opinion going ….let him live in fairy land…the fairy’s of EV’s because it’s all just a BIG fairytale….this country or any country is NOT viable for EV’s …..one day he might get it
To be fair most people sweep the problems of ICE vehicles under the rug. Not many people concerned with the negative health effects from emissions etc.
It is not only the very high insurance costs killing EV ownwership, some companies in UK are refusing to insure EV at any price, some charging £5K a year. But of course the real killer is the cliff-edge depreciation of EV.
The cost to insure Supercars like Ferraris and Lamborghinis has always been that high on England (and here as well), which is understandable given the cost of parts and repairs. But the difference is that EV’s are aimed at “replacing ordinary passenger vehicles” that everyone is supposed to enthusiastically swap over to.
If you can afford a supercar, expensive insurance is no big deal. Less do when you’re Joe Average buying a family car.
Do you own an EV? Just renewed.... insurance still lower than it was on the originally similarly priced but in the end much lower value 10 year old car ICEV the EV replaced.
It is hell for many brands trying juggle both EVs and ICEVs during a transition, but so far, more plusses than minuses and far less expense as an owner of EV than ICEV. No more about "being green" for me than solar roof panels...... just about what works and what saves money. Most EVs are still too overpriced for the savings or convince many buyers, but some big sellers are already at the point where they make dollars and sense.
New EV's will be leased, business and personal. Used ones make a great private purchase, if they work for you. The insurance thing is a red herring.
Where you get that scare story? Daily Mail or Express or this channel maybe?. My Tesla insurance has gone up 50% this year true (like a lot of things) - but it still only £450 p.a. - which is still less than my old Audi. By my understanding *all* insurance has ratcheted up this year - for ICE as well.
As for depreciation - I didnt know so I just checked my 3 year old Tesla out on autotrader . Lost median about 35% . But that's the same as an Audi A3 ICE. So your 'cliff edge' is nothing but normal depreciation.
You know nothing
@@onefiniteplanet Where do you live ? I was talking about UK at the moment, but most insurance companies are international so the high premiums will spread.
Sadly, physics always wins, that's why we can't have good things in life, like unicorns, and cat girls.
I can live without unicorns, but cat girls...
The cat girls normally run around on the unicorn’s Can’t gave one without the other 😢
The laws of physics Dude, market forces Dude, REALITY DUDE!!!
I think we should crowd fund cat girls
@@shadowdancer5x5I think Elon Musk has promised to deliver cat girls by the close of 2024
I am completing my 2 year EV lease soon and am going back to my gasoline car full time. I’m glad I didn’t sell the gas car. The EV for me was not worth the cost and inconvenience.
Im hearing that alot lately.
Which EV did you get?
Some folks still can't deal with smartphones.
@@Wilem35 Or need them
@@aljoubert87492022 Nissan Leaf. The car costs more to own than my Honda civic. The tires on the leaf went uniformly bald at 13,000 miles despite tire rotations every 5000 miles. The cost of residential electricity doubled in my area of New England soon after I got the car which means it’s cheaper to drive my civic at 40 mpg at $3 a gallon. Also, when I needed to travel with the car (my wife had the civic then) chademo chargers were very hard to find and pretty expensive. Again, more expensive than if I just used my civic (lesson learned). Lastly, I need to use the AC all the time to clear the windshield due to the humidity in my area. That drains the battery tremendously. Knock off at least 20 miles of range any time you run the AC. And highway driving sucks down the range even quicker. Every 10 miles of range on the display actually equates to about 5 miles of real world driving.
The floors of the Luton Airport car park were concrete cast in galvanised pressed steel trough formwork with some longitudinal reinforcing in the slabs. Photos clearly show that the steel trough section failed due to the heat from the burning vehicles above causing the floors to collapse as you stated. Clearly that form of construction is far from ideal but it appears that a lot of the multi-story car parks in the UK are built this way. More such disasters on the horizon I imagine!
LITHIUM DOES MELT STEEL BEAMS
Silly diesel cars and the damage they do.
I thought it was found to be a diesel range rover?
Car fuel can't melt steel beam!! Car fuel can't melt steel beam!! Car fuel can't melt steel beam!! :D
@@WillyWankaThe reports are “correct”, it was a Diesel Range Rover😏… they also seem to omit the fact it was a Hybrid!!🤔
The thing is , is that the internal combustion car was never forced onto the public , as the auto became affordable to the working class after the 1940s the public embraced it because it was just way better and gave them the freedom no previous working class before . The oil companies saw the value in investing in petrol stations everywhere , it grew naturally out of demand .After the first car appeared in the 1900s ,the government never banned horses and demand everyone get a car by 1926
I was invited to the New York Auto Show by Mercedes a few years back and was astonished to come across an exhibition of American-made electric cars from the 1920s. It turns out that there were many EV makers in the US back then, but they all went extinct when the IC engine became reliable. Back then their lead acid batteries suffered from excessive weight, slow charging rate, poor range, inconvenience, high costs etc. In short, nothing has changed and history has once again been forgotten.
@@iankuah8606 look up Jay Leno. He still has a working one. He states the reason they failed was EV was advertised as a ladies car as there was no need to hand crank. Ice was marketed for men. Women just didn't want to drive so the ev died.
@@nigelliam153That might be part of it. However, much of the U.S. didn't have reliable electricity by then either.
@@henrylicious The US grid is on the verge of collapse today. WOKE idiots in California are causing brown outs in parts, and Las Vegas still has to import electricity from neighbouring parts in summer when the lights and air-cons are going full blast. Eggs. Basket.!!!!
You are correct here. Why should the average person looking to buy a reliable car that has none of the disadvantages of EVs buy anything but a IC car? The early adopters have bought their expensive EVs but the average buyer is having a good look at EVs and saying 'NO". The only issue would be governments around the world mandating further restrictions for sale of new petrol/diesel cars but I think public opinion will prevail and there are countless numbers of developing countries which have no chance of adopting EVs in the foreseeable future. There has been no mention of 'peak oil' in recent times and I believe that petrol powered cars will be around for a long time yet.
Now the cold light of reality is dawning on people they see that politicians are not the brightest or most ethical of people.
Another great video.
The EVangelists never let the facts get in the way of their religious feva.
@@domingodesantaclara1130OMG, so you have learned a new word? Great! But if you still believe that EV is still just about CO2 reduction, you clearly didn’t hear the bell.
Government subsiding the better off while taxing the poor is obscene and not a vote winner.
The subsidies are designed for the less wealthy in Australia. The subsidies for Ev's are capped at a 180k household income for this very reason.
180k 3 times the average couples wage.@@rhys6165
Unless the plebs don’t understand what the scam is…most don’t
@@rhys6165 And? What? Yup they are crap and not sustainable!
Here in Australia we've been encouraging landlords to buy more homes and subsidise them with a tax deduction on rental losses known as "negative gearing".
The family and I were very keen on an electric transport option. Once I heard about the general automotive battery chemical composition that idea was thrown out. I worked in a chemical blending factory producing many different products. With very little knowledge of batteries the chemicals alone were scary enough, let alone their implementation.
Ever work at an oil refinery? How about volunteering to clean up a beach after an oil spill?
@@dzerres I made the chemicals used for clean ups. The choice has been made to not blow up my house or family. With hydrogen power coming on line, companies already showing we need not waste more materials as we can fit it to current cars, the solution for myself has been presented.
I do not throw away a perfectly good car just to keep up appearances.
@@dzerresEver work at a lithium mining station? Have you listen people losing their home with ev car? Have you heard insurance price rise for ev? No stations or sometime not functional station. Sorry, i prefer Ice car, i bought one in 2021 instead of plugin hybrid i initially planned. I am very happy with my choice. I don’t want ev car.
@@madmick379413:47 As a chemist you will known that lithium iron batteries are bullet proof and have no Cobolt or Nickle. Incident rate of fire is very low compared to ice. The oz Lithium mining exec did not know about the largest lithium reserve discovered in USA. Also Lithium free batteries are in production.
@dzerres Oil spills as rare as they are won't compare to the catastrophe coming from these shite EVz. Between the fires they'll cause to structures to the accident carnage they'll cause due to their weight, to the environmental impact when they start showing up in 3rd world country incinerators. Oh yea, and to the electrical grid when it can't keep up with demand. The gullible bleeding heart liberals that ruined capitalist countries with their welfare programs got it wrong... AGAIN.
Bloody hell, now I’m starting to realise the wisdom of my plan to get an EV on the 12th of never.
My delivery time of never o'clock on neverday also looking shaky 😂
I bought a 2000 Powerstroke Excursion. I do have an electric bike though.
An electric bike actually makes sense. @@grantdavis5992
That’s well said ! 😂
Enjoy the noise, lack of torque, fuel costs, exhaust dude!!
I saw a video of someone who had an EV pick up truck living in Southern California. His video was about trying to find fast charging around where he lived, and also going on a family trip. He couldn’t find any. Not even regular charge. They were either broken, or a part of an appertmen complex and you could only use it if you lived there. If he did find any working ones, it was very few in one spot, and they were occupied.
Where I live,, we have a thing called, Winter. Batteries hate cold, and so do wind shields because of frost, and ice.
EVs are for masochists!
In Norway, where there are a large number of people driving EVs, they also have a thing called winter.
They dont seem to have problems with their EVs in Norway.
@@GraemeHart8888yeah, but it’s not proper capitalist winter like in the USA…. /s
EVs are great in winter as you can preheat the car so it is nice and toasty
@@GraemeHart8888 EVs in those climates use battery power to maintain the appropriate heated temperature for the battery to operate. In other words, battery power is used to keep the batteries from freezing over.
New bumper stickers " PLEASE DONT PARK YOUR EV NEXT TO MY CAR "
Or EV free zone!
'Near My Car' (EV Extremely Volatile)
I had one of those. I lost it in the fire.
@@commonsense-grs And now for the next trick, Rocky, "Let's see you pull some figures out of the hat, verified, with citation". Folklore, that's all that claim is. Unsubstantiated nonsense. Prove me wrong.
@@commonsense-grsevery EV is rigged to go full Pinto if it takes a hit.
Insurers in UK are tripling premiums or refusing cover on EV and loading premiums of houses with chargers due to the increased liability risk.
Cobblers.
@@pickledpets Your insurance has gone up because electric cars have a habit of self combusting. Insurance companies have realised that they catch fire a bit more often than you’d think also if you have an accident in one it’s none too easy to find garages who want to repair these eyewateringly expensive toys. I've heard that if an electric car is involved in a collision, even a minor one, it has to be stored 15 metres in any direction from any other vehicle or building whilst waiting to be repaired. Ferry companies are allegedly very wary about carrying damaged EVs. I’ve always been of the opinion people who buy EV cars are the same people who expect Tesco to have strawberries in December.
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx come on James, there is a wealth of data that EVs are far safer than ICE, like 20x safer!
@@JamesSmith-qs4hxnot just that, if you put a ding in your EV, who's to say if the battery is damaged? You can't just put some filler in and spray it. And if it is damaged, that's $30k up in smoke before you begin.
@@xpusostomos No you can't - if you leave it it your EV is likely to experience a rapid unscheduled thermal disassembly.
The number of large corporations that back pedal on green initiatives or get caught out doing record levels of pollution is staggering. They are all for carbon credits but bring up carbon credit transparency, and suddenly, they are drawing more lines than charlie Sheen on snow day.
That's because evs are a shell game for corpos to leech off of the governments teat.
They bail once the tax payer subsidies dry up.
What is amazing is how far the whole EV broken eggs but no omelet charade has gone this long.
EVs makes economic sense for quite a lot of people. It can lower you fuel bill dramatically. Especially in Europe, where fuel is taxed more heavily.
Here in the states I can fill up my car for less then the cost of charging and go farther than an EV. I havs no car payment and do my own maintenance. Even if the EV was free it would cost more to operate then my current ICE vehicle. I would have to factor in the premium a person pays for an EV over an ICE vehicle, plus higher insurance cost and higher depreciation, it would be much more expensive for me.
@@multicyclist buying any new car when you don't need to buy a new car is bad economics and bad for the environment, regardless of whether an EV or not. Not that anyone should buy an EV for the environment if the costs for them don't add up. just like with rooftop solar. The variability of the cost of charge ranges from more expensive than buying gas to free and if you can charge at home it should be WAY less expensive than buying gas. Of course not everyone can charge at home which is just one reason why while EVs are already great for some people, it will be a few more years before they may make any sense at all for many others
@@RasmusDyhrFrederiksen If say a majority of drivers switched to EV that energy cost is gonna go up to likely about parity with petrol, if not more because of all the infrastructure upgrades that have to be rolled into the price of electricity to support EV charging. EU already has some absolutely insane electricity prices, and EVs will just drive them up more.
@@multicyclist I read today EV sales in the US are up over 75% in the last 12 moinths..
Hi John,
It would be ‘absolutely fabulous’ if you could do a video where you pose questions and scenarios face to face with the Hon Chris Bowen regarding the EV revolution and how all that is tracking into the future🧐
I know in reality he wouldn’t have the balls to front up, but if it did happen I’m sure it would be enlightening if not straight out entertaining.
Keep up the great content.
Having Chris Bowen, or any politician in Australia on tv for a live debate on EV cars with JC would be a ratings winner. We can only hope that happens.
Best episode ever. You made sense without a lot of over sensationalism. Sounded knowledgeable and creditable without hamming it up so much. Well done, a LOT of very sensible points there.
A person can sound knowledgeable and credible but if he or she has the fundamentals wrong, e.g. facts based on data and evidence then it matters not how good they look.
No they are not sensible points. This is just yet another auto channel trying to keep his numbers up following anti EV algorithm trends.
@@bbbf09 That's about it. I'm sure he's happy with the income he gets from YT when the great unwashed start clicking 😆
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
Not coming up with any counter facts then?
Tell us all where John has gone wrong factually in order to test your theories o wise one😂😂😂
Dead right about the recycling issue. In my area (central Kentucky - listen out for them banjos!), even glass - the most recyclable substance around - is for the garbage bin. Evidently it's cheaper for companies to buy new glass than pay for the time and expense of cleaning, sorting and purifying used glass...and so there's no business model that includes using recycled glass currently. Paper is the same. And while it's not all plastics going in the trash, there is a lot that recyclers won't accept. Forget getting cash for any of this stuff - they won't accept it, even if _you_ paid _them_ for it.
In the UK some glass is crushed up & made into cement blocks for construction. The rest goes into landfill. Same with batteries.
USA as a third world country, I wouldn't take advice from there. You can use glass to make glass wool insulation, no need to purify. Here almost nothing goes to landfill by laws. Recycled plastic has higher demand than they can produce etc..
@@Tsiikki US is by definition a first world country. 3rd world doesn't mean "shitty", it's cold war jargon that means "not aligned with one of the two superpowers".
@@Tsiikki where are you located for reference? You didn’t mention it.
Yup, recycling is turning out to be another scam, where they get to charge you double for your garbage pickup. Believe me, once the local government gets a parasitic tax scam going, they cannot be weaned off of it.
My greatest concern is how to recover from all these economic and global troubles and stay afloat especially with the political power tussle going on in US. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens,and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.
The wisest thought that is in everyone's minds today is to invest in different income flows that do not depend on the government, especially with the current economic crisis around the world. This is still a good time to invest in gold, silver and digital currencies (BTC, ETH.... stock,silver and gold)
Individuals are still holding crypto coin and stocks? I didn't know that, I guess a few know about integrating into the micro economy to help substitute FIAT or usdt for a more tangible exchange Experience, it more like capitalization with about 43.307% profits/ ROI weekly though.. ps.. Tara Elizabeth Stewart, got me covered thanks.
So much pain in my heart due to so many debts. How can I go about it!! would really appreciate it if you show me how to go about it. Please what crypto should I buy, how can I do it?
@@NellyMeierAs a newbie you'll need to invest in a company that is working towards sustainability, like that of expert Tara Elizabeth, and her abilities in handling investments are top notch
I'm Canadian, how can I get in touch with Mrs Tara Elizabeth Stewart?
I think it's high time, in this day and age- with the technology we have freely available, that a bincam was installed in the workshop John.
:-)
He definitely missed each time lol
Three years ago I had a running dialogue with a Tesla Fanbois on a significant point you mentioned. I asked him to Google how much Lithium was required to make a battery pack for any EV he chose. Then to divide that amount of Lithium into the known commercial reserves of Lithium. This would give him the total number of possible EVs. I then asked him to compare that figure with the TOTAL global vehicle fleet to see how small a percentage it was. His only response was that EVs won't always need Lithium batteries. Conclusion was that the fanbois only concentrate on the narrative other than the facts.
@aljoubert8749 Your figure of 20kg is ludicrous. The larger EV cars, SUVs and ALL American pickups use upwards of 60kg. Then there are the likes of the Cybertruck and commercial buses and delivery trucks, ALL of which use much more than 100kg.
Suddenly, your math is as rubbery as that cove 3 years ago!!
@@aljoubert8749No, you're a TYPICAL example of EV IGNORANCE.
Here's a few FACTS....
According to the latest scientific research:
ALL the personal/private vehicles on Earth account for less than 4% of ALL Greenhouse emissions.
EV's & hybrids account for less than 4% of personal/private vehicles.
Industrial international transportation accounts for less than 12% of ALL Greenhouse gas emissions.
DO THE MATH Einstein!
Then tell me about the long term environmental/economical/social costs of mining/production/recycling/disposing of your EV battery.
In closing..... Get educated or STFU!
& Fyi.... Yer hero Elon is a bigoted grifter. FACTS!
That is because liberals can't think past their nose.
@@aljoubert8749 What happens when everyone is driving one. The batteries only last 10 years. How is that sustainable.
@aljoubert8749 Oh, and beside your ridiculous 20Kg figure, you are forgetting the electronics and power tool industries and that a quarter of Lithium mined goes into other products other than batteries.
I enjoy the heck oot of listening/sometimes watching you. All I can say is I am glad none of my immediate neighbors have any of these vee-hickles next door to my humble abode. Peace
Not yet anyway.
@@eugeniaskelley5194don't confuse entertainment with enlightenment!
One of your best videos ever John. I have said from day one that this whole EV fad/ experiment is going to end very badly.
I say the same about this "internet" fad....it will pass.
Little Johnny is just appealing to those like yourself who are no different to the EV evangelists. The entire car market is struggling in EV price brackets, as are economies. Market trends and manufacturer investment suggests this is all going one way, the EV way. Like it or not, it’s the way it is.
@@M4rt_FX Disagree. I guess time will tell which of us is right.
@@M4rt_FXthe reason car makers were going down the BEV path was down to government legislation and greenwashing from the car companies. When the general population woke up and smelt the BS, people have wised up that the BEV utopia is not realistic.
@@typhoon320i don't forget smartphones...they will never take off...Steve Ballmer CEO of Microsoft said so and he should know...same as CD or DVDs, streaming music and movies will never replace good old fashioned hard copies...plus all that streaming would break the internet...it couldn't cope
Hyundai and Rivian are dumping large numbers of billions into new plants near Savannah and Covington/Social Circle in Georgia. As a life long GA resident I'm figuring that my state tax is going to increase by a measurable amount as a result of the subsidies thrown at these plants.
I've been noting for a couple of years now that EV insurance is going to get very expensive. So any "fuel" savings are going to be offset or more than offset by insurance cost.
It is not only insurance costs, some companies in UK are refusing to insure EV at any price, some charging £5K a year and of course the cliff-edge depreciation of EV.
I'm waiting for that cliff edge depreciation to kick in so I can buy one to run around town. And save the real cars for what they do best. Insurance companies in the U.S. don't seem to have raised EV rates so far, just raising all rates to cover the cost of EV repair.
What do you think well happen with those factories when the subsidies run out, people realize owning these vehicles isnt worth the headaches and manufacturers abandon the whole EV program?
That's where the tax money will go. I'm 77, may not be around for the entire collapse. OTOH, that collapse may come more rapidly than we think. And if those plants ever make any profit it will go back to Korea.
when governments collectively suggest some good for their public .. DONT !
That's a great point about car insurance I think that alone might stop the whole electric car movement. I know it was one of the main factors for me why I got rid of my electric car because the insurance tripled on it.
EVs are honestly a compromise, it really doesnt matter which way you look at it.
And a really bad one at that!
Everything is a compromise. Thomas Sowell.
EVs are frankly a scam, the government push a ruse for mass transit. Billions and billions of dollars were redirected to resurrect and repackage an arcane 19th Century technology that lost its market share in 1910 without government interlopers, but which is now compelled onto the masses at great expense to low and middle-income consumers and taxpayers, as a novelty for wealthy buyers, all at the behest of contextual fraud.
The cause of EVs (aka stopping "climate change") is a modern-day Tower of Babel, sowing failure, chaos and confusion in markets and nations, including those that lack the infrastructure to even enjoy a single EV! It's all quite absurd!
@@johnwade1095 Very true, but some compromises are worse than others and EVs are one of them!
@@iankuah8606 Yes, they are expensive and dangerous. The ones from previously unknow Chinese manufacturers are a stupid risk.
It will all end in tears!
Re battery recycling, I recall a couple of years ago a report from Germany that they had set up with the Czech Republic a pilot plant for recycling / recovery of EV batteries. The flat statement was that it was never going to be commercial and that the only way would be for states to provide and operate the facilities.
It's called communism
I don't doubt there's probably some stuff recoverable from modern batteries. But it'll inevitably involve lots of big gnawing machines, probably some extreme heat and chemicals that would make the Toxic Avenger move swamp if they were dumped in there. It's just not on the same level as something simple like steel, aluminum and PET bottles- which already are enough to make greenies frothing at the mouth when they get remelted.
Lithium batteries... yeah, if it doesn't burn the scrapyard down its going to be a hoot with what happens next!
@@krissteel4074the cost involved to extract those elements would probably not be worth the effort
@@krissteel4074even if what you're saying is true (it isn't) it would still be cheaper and better for the environment than digging it out of the ground and refining it, or do you know something chemists and physicists don't?
There is plenty of room in redundant Polish coal mines. Dump and forget is the cheapest way. There is no end to the environmental menace presented by EVs. The only reason that the Germans were interested in Czech Republic was because they thought they could get away with blue murder in Czech Republic. Finding that the Czechs were already on the case, the Germans withdrew.
Friends of mine brough a newv top of the range BYD Chinese ev (40,000 dollars plus on road costs )about a year and half ago
Its got less than 43,000 kms on the clock and they went in to trade it on another ev
They got 4 grand as a trade in
So in a year and a half the ev had depreciation about 90 %
It would have been cheaper to throw stacks of 100 dollar bills out the window each time you drove the vehicle
Good for you! You keep telling 'em the TRUTH, John, for the good of us all.
20 minute ramble to one of your best punch lines ever.
Thanks for the many hours of thought provoking infotainment over the years.
Once again, thank you. Logic and reason. The EV-angelicals might give you a little less pushback if you mentioned your years with the Electric Kona more often. You, like myself, really wish that the EV promises were true. But they aren't.
Watching the roll out of EVs into the global car market is like watching a train wreck in slow motion
lol, sounds just like Blackberry, or the 90s Internet Fad. Probably think EVs are set on fire more too when EVs are 10-80x less likely per driveable mile.
lol keep making shit up; gasoline motors burn up all the time
@@monsterous289 You mean a lot of the EV fires are kept hush hush. After all got to push the climate cult agenda.
Hi John, Bought an MG EV for my wife abut 6 to 8 months ago, 8 months ownership was enough, sold it now at a loss of course and gone back to an ICE. The advertised range is nowhere near what you actually get when you start using all the other electrical "stuff", lights wipers, air con etc etc. The MG was a nice vehicle, deceptively quick for an EV., lots of gadgets and gizmos that made driving a nice experience, however the charging infrastructure isn't there to support the vehicles. Great vid as usual John.
Kind of blows my mind dude how people say they’re happy to buy an EV and then wait around for it to charge. If you could run it completely off PV solar I’d understand to a degree but I can’t fathom why anyone in this day and age, with most being time poor, why people would want to wait around 30-60 minutes (or more) to charge their vehicle.
This coming year will be an interesting one.
It will be particularly fun to look back on this vid in 5 years.
The EV buyers are reaching their peek. The rest of us ICE owners are happy with what we have. It is still overall cheaper to own and run ICE vehicles if you keep it for more than 10 years. It will cost you the price of a new ICE vehicle to replacd the battery. You EV tyers need replacing more often and at a greater cost than a normal car.
So the costs overall its cheaper to drive an ICE car.
Even more bad news when insurance and taxpayers are taken in to account
not to mention that you cannot even find parts for some ev's after 10 years or less. The companies are dropping support for their first gen units. What good is an electric car if you cannot buy fresh AA batteries for it. I can still buy AA batteries for this fookin golf cart why cant i get batteries anymore for a 2014 chevorlet Spark EV!!!!!!!!
I think that a lot of people nowadays buy cars like they buy phones: That is they purchase them on a payment plan and simply sell them on after they have paid off the debt with the intention of getting another one, being with happy to get any money back from their initial purchase.
Your idea of EV's are dated. the technology has came a long way in fact LFP chemistry batteries can last a million KMS. How many modern cars run a Million KMS these days? lucky to get half of that. So why would u replace the battery? Funnily enough the opposite is happening and the batteries are now OUTLASTING the cars themselves and there is a new market of companies buying old EV's for batteries to use them for battery storage. Im still trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion it is cheaper to drive a ICE vehicle? Fuel prices are fucked and will only get worse. EV's have substantially less moving parts which means way less points of failure. Did you even factor in the cost of servicing? Registration? What if you have Solar at home? and charge during the day? you are essentially driving for FREE. untied from corporate and government controlled oil, Unless of couse you refine you own fuel?
I don't even own an EV, I have an offroad 4x4 and a V8 camaro. But its obvious Electric is the future. unfortunately its tied up and being pushed with political bullshit.
@@Borkeryi have a feeling youre going to see this with ice vehicles in the next 10 years. The rapidly changing technology (especially in the collision and safety side of it) with more sensors, cameras, emissions devices, etc. Along with government regulations and mandates i dont think dealerships will be capable of stocking parts for vehicles over 5-7 years old. As complex as these things are now, the aftermarket isnt going to be able to produce parts, the manufacturers arent going to be able to continue making parts for older vehicles. Your vehicle is going to be another appliance. Like every other appliance, theyll be designed to have a 5-7 year life span.
Future students of economics will study the EV debacle of how, absent intervention, some products wouldn't exist. Govt intervention in the market ALWAYS skews the outcome, because intervention is central planning on a diet, and we've enough empirical evidence on how well that works.
And isn't it an exo-phallus? Asking for a bee friend.
Where can I find this government-less marketplace?
@davidvanderklauw Utopia. Only 2 people live there though. They once had a third migrant, but the result was politics, the slippery slope from which govt is born. So they got rid of the migrant.
Indeed, and we are not even talking communist governments here. Mind you the CCP has really screwed the pooch in China. As they give a $7,000 per car subsidy to EV makers various companies have sprung up producing small shit box EVs that cost $4k or less to make, pile them up in fields (lots of RUclips videos on this subject) as they are too crap to sell to customers, and pocket the balance! Chinese ingenuity has taken EV fraud to a whole new level
I always find it incredible that very few people realize the logistic nightmare charging EVs would actually be. I owned an EV for about a year. My 50 kilometer, one way, or 100 kilometer round trip to work would consume 75 to 95% of the vehicles range. This was in the Phoenix Arizona valley which had some hills going from SE Phoenix to Eastern Scottsdale. I had a Nissan Leaf. Charging the car with 120 volts took over 23 hours so I installed a 240 volt charging system in my garage. The manual stated that charging the car with the 120 volt charger would negatively impact the battery life just as the fast charging 240 charger and recommended the standard 240 volt charger. The lowest battery charge I had was in the summer when running A/C was mandatory and there was a traffic jam. About five miles from my house I was getting all sorts of warnings from the car. The fast 240 volt charge from a 20% battery to 100% took two and a half hours. I realize that there are better models that take less time so let's go with the best charge time from 25% to 100% taking 30 minutes. Now go to busy gas station and time how many IC vehicles drive in, fill up and leave in 30 minutes. Now take the count of the fuel pumps and do the math to figure out how many charging stations would be required to successively accommodate the same flow of vehicles every 30 minutes in order to charge their batteries. If for example there were ten pumps and an average of 6 vehicles were at the pumps taking 6 minutes to fuel, in 30 minutes that would be 30 IC vehicles that would have fueled in that 30 minutes using 60% of the available pumps. Now to accommodate 30 EVs to charge you would require 30 charging stations. What happens when all ten pumps are being used by IC vehicles for that 30 minute duration? That would be twice as many IC vehicles fueling and then the EV charging stations would need to double to 60. That would mean an increase in the diesel engine powered generators and six times the foot print of a 20 pump IC fueling station. It's one thing to plug in your car over night to charge it for the next day, it's another waiting at a charging station for hours while you wait your turn because you'll be stranded miles from the next charging station.
You had a first generation EV. My Chevy Bolt was used for a 165 mile commute and worked great
"logistic nightmare" Really? In the morning, I unplug it, and head off to work. In the evening, I plug it in and head into the house.
@@damienphillips6778 Wait until everyone has an EV. People will not be charging every day. The power grids can't handle it in most places.
Live in Melbourne Australia, quoted $5500 approx for tesla model 3 insurance. Joke ! What will it be in 3 years ? My existing mustang gt insurance from same company $1000 approx. I will stick with ICE for now.
The Luton airport fire was started by a hybrid battery. There are so many issues around EVs. Every step there is an issue; but at the end if the day, we can’t produce the electricity needed.
Great video. Who'd have thought insurers and reinsurers don't like risk!
Awesome punchline and beautiful set up. Thanks John.
I’m still waiting for home batteries to come down in price. Should be plenty of excess production not getting put into cars as these providers are geared up for mass increase
Are you really in such a hurry to burn down your house ?
Your own instant burnt down home in a box
The problem with EV fires is that you can't just put them out. When a petrol or diesel-powered vehicle catches alight and the fuel tank lets go, if you dump enough high-pressure water or foam/fire retardant on it then you can extinguish the blaze fairly quickly as you deprive it of oxygen. However in the case of an EV, the chemical reaction unleashed when a lithium ion battery ignites and goes into uncontrolled runaway combustion continues to provide oxygen and combustion fuel components just like a rocket motor, and thus cannot be extinguished by traditional oxygen-depriving means. So the only thing to do is to stand back and let the fire from the ruptured battery pack burn itself out over several hours; all good if the car is out in the open away from other vehicles and buildings/structures, but problematic in and underground parking structure etc.
The Auto Expert is Quite The Expert in Criticizing, Condemning and Complaining.
Thanks John, another enjoyable video. I was waiting for you to talk about the thousands of BYD and other Chinese shyt boxes being stored as none wants them.
amen. and crappy MGs
OMG, those BYDs don't half cook off over in China😂😂😂
This guy is the only one out there speaking one ounce of truth about the EV industry. The collapse of the industry will be breath taking …..
Thanks John for another great
Clip.
Educational and well delivered.
Please keep up the good work.
Car companies going electric is the same knee jerk reaction as Holden’s 4 cylinder Commodore back in the day!😂
Got nothing wrong with EVs, though I don't see myself ever owning one, I hope they work out for many many people. What I have a problem with is government mandating and subsidizing them and increasingly regulating- or outright banning- combustion vehicles. If EVs are great, which they may be someday, let them succeed on their own merit.
Germany makes electricity by burning coal and russian natural gas or expensive USA liquid natural gas. Yeah there are wind turbines and there are some solar panels but burning stuff for energy is name of the game. So they kinda wanna more gasoline and diesel because it's about to who they wanna give money for energy
Thank you for the outstanding detail regarding Electric Utopia. You truly are a da Vinci in your painting of expletives! 😊
Around 17:30 I stopped laughing. You are spot on again John: EV battery recycling has no commercial sense, ergo - it ain’t gonna happen...
It's already happening. The batteries are ground into a black powder loaded with useful minerals. It's being sold at a profit.
@@KidHorn7001 It's not happening.
@@KidHorn7001 You should try that. I mean grind any Lithium based battery. If you survive tell us how it went.
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It is already happening, as well as repurposing the car batteries for households, agriculture and industry. Compare the price of a house battery to a used car battery from a write off etc and the power it can hold.
And the fact that almost no one will buy a 6/7 year old EV.
The true green option is to make very reliable ICE vehicles than will last for 150K-250K miles with minimal repairs. Even if that means those vehicles are not the most fuel efficient. No one is factoring in the carbon footprint of replacing vehicles that only last for 100K miles without major repairs.
Holy crap this was good, what an ending too 👏🏻
I agree, recycling should be mandated or encouraged by a deposit scheme. The problem is many batteries will spend a decade in a car and then another decade in stationary storage so a deposit scheme may be easier and more effective than a mandate.
It's hard to justify that when still nobody wants the stuff. Sure, you could fund some unwanted recycle scheme and jack up massively the price of EVs, but is that a win?
@@xpusostomosthere is already a black mass market and as more batteries become available the economics for recycling improve. Battery recycling will become commonplace.
@@rattusfinkusor as you pointed out collected adapted by back yarders with zero clue read to burn down the Muppets house taking out next door.
😂😂 “where’s your fuckin omelette?”. So funny. I love it. Great ending.
If I was going to get an EV, it would be something like the Aptera. Aero dynamic and lightweight, so the battery is smaller for a given range . It has integrated solar panels so it would be parked outside to absorb energy.
It seems to me that a lot of EVs have been designed to the idea that they will be a direct replacement for a conventional IC car in appearance, performance and range. Perhaps, EVs could be a viable proposition if the mission was more modest and practical. Also, there needs to be more design emphasis on preventing and mitigating the consequences of TR. For example TR could be prevented by having voltage, and temperature sensors and a shunt on every cell. Active thermal management of the battery should be mandatory, not optional. Also, some thought should be given to how the battery is assembled, installed and connected within the car. Ideally, there would be an economical, safe, idiot proof procedure for replacing failing cells that is accessible to a competent mechanic. Now that is just my idea for Electric Utopia.
Oh yeah and how about this for a conspiracy theory?, “The car industry and governments have deliberately fucked the electric car idea up, to be able to validate the prolonging of the conventional IC engine car industry. .. Nah, just kidding. They fuck stuff up as naturally as breathing. They don’t even need to think about it. I do think this EV trip is a massive greenwashing distraction from real action on climate change though.
Accurate, also...
T. Shirt please!
Aptera doesn't work and doesn't exist as a product - it's highly likely it's just a scam.
EVs only make sense in a certain life style. One certain lifestyle:
You live in a city. A city that rarely sees snow. A city that rarely sees brownouts.
You drive a short distance, in stop and go traffic, each day.
You rarely go above 60 mph
If you can go home and charge.
If you can sit at home for an extra day when you forgot to charge.
So, basically a grocery getter in a city.
It's going to be weird in 20-30 years, when former youngsters want to restore a car from their youth. There's going to be this black hole from 2010-2030 where nothing is valuable or usable. Are there going to be 3rd parties rebuilding vintage battery packs? Are you going to have to homebrew a charging station at your home? Will Teslas even turn on once the mothership goes down?
Like finding a 5 1/4" floppy drive at a yard sale... Where do you plug it in? Where do you find diskettes? Do you have any files that would fit on it?
Already the performance cars from the 2000's and early 2010's are becoming collectable. The later mass touch screen interior controlled cars are going to be the ones that will most likely be unrepairable
@@bentullett6068 I didn't think about the interior interfaces. They've ditched the DIN stereo mounts for years now and switched to their bespoke screens. I have a '14 Mazda 3 with the b&w cheap-o display but it's up in it's own housing on top of the dash, so even that won't last. It is just audio, but there's nowhere else to install a regular head unit, so when that goes and stock dries up, that's it. The wife has a new Outback with the massive slab-screen and that will be doomed. No more HVAC control, no more stereo, no more heated seats, maintenance reminders, warnings, etc.
In support of Tesla:
Tesla has a technology advantage in the design of the build of its vehicles and of its factories. Each Tesla factory is an opportunity to use ‘lessons learned” to improve the design of the factory. Each subsequent build is better than the previous one. The Fremont plant is not even close to the Shanghai plant and the plant in Austin is a notable improvement over the Shanghai plant. Personally I am curious to see how the the plant in Mexico improves over the previous ones. In my humble opinion the Legacy automakers would still be in trouble if Tesla was just building ICE cars due to the its efficiencies in the build design of the vehicles and its production facilities.
Thanks John, a truly impressive testament to the lunacy of EV’s👏👏
The only decent vehicles Volkswagen ever made were of the air cooled rear engined variety. I've owned several. Loved them all.
Spot on
If the engine was kept air-cooled changed to single over head cam we would still be buying them and loving it.
Doesn't seem to be too much problems with the likes of the Golf and Jetta platforms of late.
Thanks
A battery by its very definition is dying from the minute it’s made.
Devastating exegesis,John. One can only pray that our elected overlords start pulling back on the madness.
Only pray? You are the one electing them. Don't pray, vote better.
They won't. Ever. They are running on purest triple-distilled insane ideology.
Elected? The UK Conservative party is now under their fourth PM un-elected by the people!
No elections to be seen in the UK. People are either praying or protesting. No new power stations to be seen...@@davidvanderklauw
I can see a business opportunity removing the EV drive train and replacing it with a new petrol drive train.
Recycling, unwanted, motor vehicles is better for the environment than just having EV sitting deteriorating .
Nah, the design wouldn't allow it.
Best option if possible would be remove the battery and replace with a small diesel generator. Jaguar did produce a prototype hybrid that used 2 small diesel turbines to recharge a battery, maybe there's enough room to squeeze a couple in in place of the battery but in the end probably too hard. Remove the battery then send to the Armish to connect there own horse power unit.
Hahaha, it's already happening.
A guy in the US (Rich ???) has fitted a whopping V8 into a Tesla so it isnt impossible.
Problem is, who would buy a V8 suppository??
😂😂😂😂
@@nigelliam153 Haha, design would allow it,
I the past I have helped and built a number of Hot Rods fitting a V8 into Ford Escort, Cortinas, etc.
It’s simple engineering and work to make it work.
@@WeeShoeyDugless because it’s called recycling ♻️
How cool would it be to shoehorn a Holden red 202 6 pack into a Telsa?
If it didn't shake the Tesla apart within 15000 ks, the thirsty 15L per 100km mileage would quickly expand your social circles as you reacquaint yourself with Raj at the servo.
Completely understand the logic and benefits of hybrid vehicles but full EVs are a long way from being ready for most people.
Wrong. Most people drive around their suburbs ... for which EVs are quite suitable and also quite efficient of doing .
One could also argue that battery technology is still in its development stage. Clearly lithium ion batteries are not the last word in battery tech (sorry John Cadogan, you are wrong about this.)
Let us never forget that for many people having no car would be the the best option for 90% of the time, providing adequate efficient public transport infrastructure was available. Thus going really "Green" means less roads, less cars and better public transport..
No, I was not suggesting that personal car ownership wasn't a valid option in some instances somewhere in the outback countryside!
But behaving as if AGW did not exist and even if it did there wasn't absolutely anything one could do about its mitigation, that would be nothing but a huge folly on one's part.
EVs are just a tiny transitional step in the right direction, despite what the publisher of this video asserts. I suggest that taking always the accountants way of thinking about such matters as environmental sustainability is NOT the way we should travel on.
I am sorry, but I am fed up completely with covertly politically motivated green bashing. Technological problems should be solved by technological solutions, and not by fancy accounting nor by political dogmatism.
John
Did you hear about the guy who swapped his diesel company vehicle to a used Skoda Enyag with 60,000 kms on the clock company vehicle?
Hes situated in the Madrid ev green belt
In 2 months he had 6 apps due to all the different charges and the cost of public charging aledgedly went up 135 % to the equivalent of buying petrol or diesel
Aledgedly Driving the Skoda Enyag the same as he did with his past diesel vehicle cut the ev range by about half and had to lip home with no a/c and driving 90 on the auto barn on several occasions
Then Skoda aledgedly did an software up date on his ev and Kentucky fried the Thermic Control System on the battery
Making the ev inoperable
Wayne
Perth W.A
This is not my material
Source material is from Exotic Car Play Place on RUclips
Stop it John. After this video, every time I see a broken egg I see and e.v. While every omelette I see brings to mind a magnificent ICE vehicle; refined and evolved from 150 years of free market capitalism, dedication, innovation and development.
Brilliant. One of my fav's John! Keep em coming.
10.5 million sales in 2022 including Lexus, Daihatsu and Hino - well ahead of the Volkswagen Group. Toyota kept global sales steady and increased overall production in 2022, giving it a commanding lead as the world's biggest car-maker.
The Viking would be shaking in rage
He mentioned by revenue at least 3 times. VWAG sells Porshes while Toyota indeed sells Daihatsus, and Lexus is about half the size of Audi volume wise. Toyota does sell a lot of premium vehicles under its own brand (Alphard, Crown, Landcruiser), but that doesn't quite make up for it, at least yet.
@@winnie-the-poohahaha4428 Yes, he'll be "Fully Charged" up 🙃
Toyota sux dude
@@schorriemorrie_04
The VAG Group comprises ten brands from five European countries: Volkswagen, Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, ŠKODA, SEAT, CUPRA, Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Porsche and Ducati.
There is just not enough electrical generation capacity available to make those EV run alongside the existing demand for it. All the battery, recycling, toxicity ,repairing cost, purchasing cost, reliability, are just some little insignificant problems compared to it...
We are already 23 years out of oil ... :D
Toxicity is is funny, that we are burning tons of gasoline under our nose, cancer rates are increasing and it seems normal to you. But batteries are toxic ...
And how exactly toxic are LFP batteries, for example?
Not to mention the fire hazard these vehicles seem to have.
The thing is, the 'Electric Car Utopia' is in reach. If only most ppl stop driving. Guess what's the plan...
Actually there is still plenty of electricity generation available (Australia) to support any amount of EVs that could be put on the road. But no where near enough charge stations or distribution capacity…but that is another issue.
However, once our Green f’wit politicians shutdown more coal power plants,….then the generation issue will be a factor.!
@@MrVolodus well said. Truth
MY HOA has banned EV's and hybrids from any HOA controlled property...Presidents house was a total loss due to an EV fire....
I was working at a resort island in the Whitsundays, Qld about 18 months ago when a 50' motor boat (motor yacht for the yanks) burnt to the water because of a lithium battery overheating and starting the fire. The on island fire brigade attended within minutes and basically could do nothing. Anyway, I would not put a lithium battery in a boat, a car or especially purchase an EV
Hamilton Is - I was on a yacht 2 finger wharfs away. Quite spectacular & devestating to witness the slow start & the acrid black smoke & the total final destruction.
@@thatsshowbiz6438, correct. I was working/living on the island as a sparky
I hoped that EV would work but even someone with no brain could see that they would not work, to expensive, no range, time to change, unsafe, cost off repairs and this is just the small list . Tyres they go through, its probably the same team that convinced our uk government to invent smart motorways ( no hard shoulder) no where to go when you brake down. Keep up your great work and Chanel
They may not work for you but most people who do have an EV lease them, they do have range for 99% journeys (commuting, taking the kids to school - 400km+ is plenty for most of this), charge it overnight, Tesla scored very highly in ancap testing??, repairs - surely that’s what insurance is for??. I bet you’ve never owned one so you’re probably not talking from experience
Yet other countries like china have no problem figuring it out.
So Toyota's CEO was right about EVs! 🙂 Hope their hydrogen gamble pays off! Would be good to have plain water coming out of the exhaust pipes in future cars.
Yeah I prefer plain water to flames and toxic gasses....
Theres scant hope for hydrogen. To replace I road tanker of petrol with hydrogen would require 18 hydrogen tankers. It’s not doable. Hydrogen is mainly used right next to where it's produced. Because it’s just too difficult to store and transport. Lots of info online.@@chrissmith2114
It takes 5 times more energy to make hydrogen than gas.
@@PC-vq5udyep it is an energy source just a battery substitute
The problem I have with what you say is not so much the basic content, which is almost always very accurate, but rather that it joins the general implication that those of us who have bought EVs are party to the ridiculous stampede to force everyone to only drive such cars.
I really enjoy my EV (have done for 10 years) and it has saved me a fortune, but I am just as horrified by the twisted thinking of collective governments as you. I don't even subscribe to the 'green' virtue signalling. That said, it is without doubt that an EV will produce less CO2 than any other type of car, overall, but the suggestion that a wholesale switch would somehow solve any climate issues is quite farcical.
I too have thoroughly enjoyed my EV (Tesla Model Y), in many ways my favorite car of all time. Smooth, safest car on the road, powerful, nearly zero maintenance, way fewer moving parts to fail, great tech that just makes my life easier, plenty of range, and always a full tank because I plug it in every night. Super simple.
However, I do agree with some of the points made in this video.
The biggest is governments getting involved. Governments almost always F things up, and they certainly are doing it here.
Tesla was growing leaps and bounds without government involvement for years. I didn’t need a tax write-off to buy my car, I just knew it was a great car.
So, billions of dollars now going to companies and buyers is a huge carrot, but it also cheapens the entire EV industry. I just wish they let it evolve naturally.
I also have concerns about recycling. Hopefully they can figure it out and then eventually we could reduce mining.
Lastly is fires. It’s funny because gas cars catch fire far more often than EVs, but EVs will do it when parked, and burn much hotter and are nearly impossible to put out. Hopefully the chemical makeup of batteries gets to a point where fires don’t happen this way.
I think it is the majority of EV owners that are living in a fantasy but not all such as yourself.
If they could come up with a battery that was more environmentally friendly and more affordable then EV’s will have a big future.
Just starting to notice that Mum and Dad motorist are giving EV's a wide berth in the Car Park. In the local IGA carpark today there were many ICE cars parked next to each other but opposite there was a Tesla parked with no other car closer then 2 parking widths away. I call that "Smart" !
Well i spose you could use your ev as a barbecue when it goes into thermal runaway
Unfortunately when the battery shits itself in the cold weather or rain leaving you stranded in the middle of nowhere in freezing temperatures that could be a problem?
Or burn several large stacks of 100 dollar
When you drive your new ev ofc the dealership parking lot and its depreciation drops like a 500kg stone
And that would suck
In madrid to charge your ev is 135 % more than to buy petrol or diesel
But we all know it wouldnt be long before government's and companies would be profiteering off the tax payer and the idiots that were stupid enough to join the ev cult
One guy in the uk drove 1300 kms , had to charge 9 times at between 50 and 70 pounds a pop
Thats roughly 80 to 130 Australian dollars each time
Compared to 3 or 4 tank fulls with a petrol.or diesel vehicle
So where is all this money you save owning an ev as im just not seeing it ?
Hi John. Love the video and have the same positive view about EVs. When lithium batteries are put into landfill and corrosion will eventually allow moisture inside them. Won’t this start an unstoppable underground fire? How environmental friendly is that!!
Dead ev batteries are worth thousands, none are going in landfills
The problem with the EV craze is that it is most often and most passionately embraced by people who generally are prone to following trends without thinking things through. That's pretty much the definition of a craze. I had a conversation yesterday with a family member who lives in an apartment with open, outdoor parking and wants an EV so she won't have to deal with gas stations and oil changes. I asked this simple question: Where are you going to plug it in? She hadn't considered that.
I mean, she could just use a DC charger, or AC at shopping centres, gyms etc. I'm sure once she considers he options she'll work it out.
@@Max_Toovey0308 I'm hoping not. First, she can't afford it, and second, I'll have to hear your grousing about how her complex should install chargers. In short, an EV is a bad call for her, and my goal is to help save her from a very poor decision. I might succeed; I might not.
Tell her that shortly EV's will be illegal to drive. Long live to gasoline cars
Hi John do you think house insurance ,will go up if you charge an ev in your garage ,if it burns so does your house .
What if your garage is 20m away from your house?
Most are connected to houses
People’s lives are also some of those eggs that will be broken.
Thanks for your history(?)lesson into lecci cars John.That explanation on these"Lemons"is THE best I've ever come across,mate.Well done.
We are still waiting for the bin cam 📷
A funny thing , i bought in 01/2021 a Dacia dokker van with 1300CC turbo gas engine for 13 500 Euro
Yes one of the cheapest cars here in Belgium
Funny thing is that after almost 3 years it is worrth aroud 15 000 Euro
Funny thing is that Renault ( owner of Dacia , their cheap brand ) now makes the new model under Renault-badge
so the same model cost now 20 500 Euro
I like to see that in 7 or 8 years my very cheap car has the same value than a 50 000 Euro costing Tesla lol
Recycling lithium batteries is going to only happen in a few places, maybe not even in your country? So my question is how do you transport old batteries to the recycling plant? Old batteries are going to be a complete unknown when it come to condition. We are currently having trouble transporting new batteries as they can (and do) catch fire unexpectedly. Old batteries can only be worse.
Old batteries can be fully discharged before transport.
@@fknid Doesn't change the chemistry though.
@@iboswell A fully discharged lithium-ion battery does not ignite.
An UBER driver had with a BYD was under the belief from what he had learnt was a lot of EV fires in the USA were from vehicles that had been dried out after flood events. So imagine a whole heap of EVs being sold on to unsuspecting buyers with degraded electronics.
And fire hazard aside, what is already apparent in modern ICE cars, is that the degradation of electronics can't be seen as it is often sealed away unlike mechanical failures which can be more easily identified and more readily able to be repaired.
Enlightening as always. Thanks wry much
It would be very interesting to hear your thoughts about the weight increases and how that impacts structural integrity of car parks etc
And the freeways and over passes.
Here's my take: in Germany VW was losing the EV race to Tesla (USA) and Chinese brands and so VW backed away from commitment to EVs and their friends in the German government helped out by wiping the subsidies plus it helps the government budget.
VW lost EV game. German government helped out.
Another way to say it is that VW dodged a self-inflicted gunshot to the belly.
Or, put another way...every EV manufacturer will eventually realize that they are losing the EV "race". It can't be won.
Considering the government owns a big chunk of VW stock, and has a seat on the VW board, makes your scenario even more likely
Bingo! Politics is a game!
@@bigstu_ Nordstream was irrelevant. The VW board saw the light before other manufacturers. I don't like VWs, they are over-priced for what they are and uncomfortable (You vill not enjoy ziss journey. You vill sit up straight and keep QVIET !) but all credit must go to the board in their attempt to save their company.
Hello John keep the good work up. Has anybody done a test at the Nurburgring Race Track between any EV vehicle and a Petrol and Diesel vehicle to compare the results. Nurburgring is 20.83 km or 12.9 miles all the way round. 15 or 20 laps should give an accurate result.
And yet carmakers aren't sprinting away. More frigged journalism. Which carmakers have walked away,? Dude?. You know , you're gonna run out of sympathetic tradies Think about that for algorithms. We don't hate what you say. We feel sorry. Dude. Have a drink.
Driven hard they barely last a couple of laps so yeah...(to be fair ICE cars will suffer from other issues, heat temps for example, a lap has been compared to the equivalent of several thousand miles wear and tear on that track, it's that demanding when going for it.
Not exactly compared to petrol/diesel vehicles, but VW's ID.R race car is the track's current record holder.
@@Raoh-ev4qo what rubbish. Look up the five fastest. " Barely last" you goose.
@@liberty0758 Rimac Nevera electric hypercar lapped the Nürburgring in 7:05.28, setting a new world record for production EVs. ( and that's production. Not modified,)
"...where's your fucking omelette?"
ha ha ha, JC truth spoken in a JC way, which is why we watch him!
Most people dont want an EV car. They arent practical, they take forever to charge, they pollute the environment worse than gas cars if you consider how the batteries are made...They are also soul-less and boring.