They lost me with the non title run, that long build up has to have a payoff. Nak/Zane was the best match I’ve seen since Tak/hbk. FIGHT FOREVER, originated in that match.
He hit the nail on the head, WWE killed Nakamura with poor booking, calling him the artist instead of letting him be the king of strong style, should have been a big star but the damage is too much at this point
@Nathaniel Baxter dont mind losing to Styles but to lose to him 3 times while attempting the same low blow cheap shot each time was over killed and over played
@@MrZombieTurds it's hard to come back from bad booking, look at sheamus and Alberto del Rio, they've won everything in the company but nobody cared less after they kept losing, also how many storylines was he involved in with the US title or IC title? They don't know how to book him, when he was the IWGP intercontinental champion he was still a huge star and people cared about the title
This is obviously an old podcast, because Nakamura was still in NXT.. but it amazes me how brilliant Jim Cornette is and how he has predicted the future of wrestlers and wrestling, in general, on multiple occasions .. What a gem you are Corny! Love you
@Larry Harris This episode of the podcast is old. That is why gall01019 said it was old. Yes JR still does the podcast with Conrad. The guest this time was Jim Cornette.
Interesting that Cornette here says Nakamura is a star and has great physical charisma, presence and workrate. Nowadays on his pod, he calls him Shaky Nakamura and says he never saw anything in him. Hmm … almost like he’s working a gimmick.
Shinsuke Nakamura is a genius. He was not fluent in English but he was so charismatic that he got himself over without talking much and his in ring storytelling was amazing. His heel turn was start of his downfall. He can definitely play an amazing heel but the character he was given was way too weak to be taken seriously.but he did the best he could have done with his character. He was typically ruined. He should go back to NJPW or NXT.
A Z Of course he is. One of the last great wrestling minds that isn’t crazy because of coke or bumps, in wwe so they can’t speak out, or in aew conforming to their outlaw shit with kenny olivier and the bucks
A Z so Omega is on TNT, in a high-card to main event position and pulling solid ratings. How is he not a star? Why would WWE want him if he wasn’t a star?
@A Z isnt it interesting that viewing in ufc only gets bigger and for wrestling only gets smaller. You can compare it to two different approaches they have, ufc tries to make mma a mainstream, serious and legitimate sport that people can buy into, away from the human cockfights image that was theirs in the early 90's; while the wrestling business goes more and more non sensical and silly, needlessly violent and outlaw... you can almost think there is a correlation
Jim Cornette once again proves he knows his shit. His delivery might not be refined but he’s light years ahead of everyone else.... except me of course 😂.
i was there for that match with sami. it was my first time seeing either guy and it definitely set a high bar. unfortunately that got all thrown out in favor of whatever is going on now. i saw nakamura have a handful of great matches because he had just arrived in nxt, but they both could be so much more.
He could absolutely be a main card champ, are you kidding me. WWE just won’t let him do anything. He was so hot and they messed him up so bad. They never let the good wrestlers have programs and then after they mess them up they start jobbing them . It’s crazy , so many guys could be so much bigger, Guys like Cesaro who never even got a chance and still get over because they’re awesome
Keto Croix yeah Nakamura was so over with the crowd. He had song sang like crazy. He had a match of the year caliber match with Sami Zayn. He definitely should of have beaten Styles for the title at WrestleMania. Styles was already established, he had nothing to lose putting Nakamura over.
I didn't think it was possible to make Nakamura into a nobody because of his personality alone but they managed to. I could only imagine what they would do to Okada.
Nakamura's biggest problem was lack of mic skills which COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED IF THEY JUST GAVE HIM A MANAGER.Brock has a manager,why can't Nakamura have a manager?Now that I mentioned the manager topic,in WWE the art of managers is a lost art,don't say the Sami and Zelina stuff,they are active wrestlers
Why couldn't Tajiri get more pushes in WWE ? He was an outstanding worker and could go with just about anyone match up wise . I know he was a cruiserweight and tag champ but he could of gotten more .
@@gamechanger700 injury though is why Dean retired so early, right ? In WCW he was in line for the US title on top of already getting the cruiserweight title . Look at Muta the man was an outstanding performer in his days taking on Sting and Flair but again that was WCW .
The day they put a mic in his hands and had him say "I no speak engrish" it was game over. He was trending down for years previously, but that was the day his WWE career died. If they had him work a brutal stiff style as a babyface and just let his charisma shine, dude would be huge.
I know it won’t happen but I wish Nakamura went back to NJPW. Especially with the talent they have now, Nakamura vs Moxley, Nakamura vs Osprey, Nakamura vs LIJ Natio, Nakamura vs Takahashi, Nakamura vs ZSJ, Nakamura vs Shoto, Nakamura vs Juice, Nakamura vs KENTA, Nakamura vs Jericho (if he can work there still). He would be so over and he would have new life in his career.
Jim said he ain't having bad matches, damn Vince what've you done to Nakamura, he has not even been world champion once, you can't just leave him with one Royal Rumble
Is this an old video? It shows June 4, 2020. In the comments, people are talking like Nakamura has been destroyed by WWE. However, this video is about his debut.
Nakamura is fine, he's making money and not putting his body through hell. Sure it sucks cause we as fans know what he's capable of but his best days are behind him and he's ok with it.
shinsuke Should have beaten AJ at Mania, and then run a three or four match series with them and in Survivor series or royal rumble let AJ take the title back. and let Shinsuke add that title to his already resume of great title runs. Aj would not have lost any face dropping the belt to a star like Shinsuke and Vince would of had another cash cow in the mix. instead of now Shinsuke is not even looked at as a good mid carder, when he is truly a mainevent guy everytime you need him to be.
I don't know why wwe takes in already established stars and puts them in development like NXT nakamura is part of the 3 musketeers from Japan that guy is dude why put him in development even finn balor that guy was amazing in New japan pro wrestling why put them in NXT and destroy them wtf
@@kgotter They would book him 1000% better than WWE has, but I am NJPW mark so I would love to see him back there working with Switchblade, Naito, Ace, Ibishi, I have not seen him in a bad match in New Japan.
uniformkilo no they wouldn’t. They would book them with their crappy tier wrestlers like Marco stunt and orange Cassidy. I hope they don’t put Kenny omega in charge of it either. He would ruin him like he did the women’s division.
I highly doubt there is no racism involved with Nakamura and other foreign talent bookings. Waaay too many incidents and onscreen evidence that points to the contrary. If not directly by Vince (which I also highly doubt) then by those under him which he is still directly responsible for since he wants to be head of creative as well as chairman of a billion dollar company.
Asuka is the only Asian that Vince has pushed to the top and it's because The Man had a baby. Has he ever pushed a male Asian to the top? I can't think of a single one that didn't end up doing job till he was released.
And frankly Vince doesn't protect the women's belt like a top belt. It's used more like an intercontinental belt that shifts hands on the fly or because you took an elevator and climbed an actual ladder. Almost all the women have been the champ. Snuka hasn't. The tag-teams mostly haven't. That's about it?
Araf Zaman It’s primarily because of how the matches are produced they’re telegraphed to play a role on the show to not overshadow something else so they have to train themselves to not go all out vs on NXT they’ll give you TakeOver style matches all the time since its encouraged to do your best in your slated time. Best example I can give is Ricochet his moveset drastically changed since coming to the main roster in the sense that they basically tore him down to use 5 moves in his matches
@tiberius there are a ton of feuds he can have in AEW. Him vs Moxley (the battle of the hard hitters). I would like to see him against Cody, him against Hangman Page, him against Brian Cage. Or him against MJF (that would be like him against Miz who should of been his first feud but that didn't happen. By the time he actually feuded with Miz, he was already buried down the cards and he didn't even beat Miz clean).
How is it clickbait? The vid is exactly the title. The reason it's posted now is because it works now. You can't say that you predicted the future while you're in the present.
You can tell 1000% when JR thinks something on AEW is bullshit. I actually thought his commentary was awful all of last year and really into this year a few months but he has gotten a lot better . And this is someone who has been a fan for over 20 years of him..
Nakamura is so lazy, his unwillingness to go all out in every match and bust his ass to hit four stars is really disappointing. If he got cut and was forced to back to New Japan, I wouldn't feel sorry for him.
Did you see his match in nxt? He will bust his ass just fine. WWE give him weak waste of a match. They tell him to do this short matches, put him in lame ass stories so of course his matches are lame now.
@ShadowWinger99...WWE has LARGELY given Nakamura shit to work with. They don't understand him & have used him horribly. However, Nakamura did sign a contract & you should give 100% even if you are doing story that is garbage to honor that contract. I look at guys like Moxley, Gallows & Anderson, EC3, etc. who did the work they were given, even though it was a bad waste of their talent, until they were let go. But without question, Nakamura is a 5 star talent when used correctly.
I miss Nakamura as a baby face. I miss his old theme song. He was super over. Such a damn shame😞
They lost me with the non title run, that long build up has to have a payoff. Nak/Zane was the best match I’ve seen since Tak/hbk. FIGHT FOREVER, originated in that match.
Agreed that fake rap bullshit dubbed over version of his theme song sucks, and his original persona was fantastic all through NXT.
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He hit the nail on the head, WWE killed Nakamura with poor booking, calling him the artist instead of letting him be the king of strong style, should have been a big star but the damage is too much at this point
Losing to Styles and Jinder hurt him a lot
Araf Zaman The loss to Jinder was probably the worst loss he had. Losing to Styles wasn't bad at all
@Nathaniel Baxter dont mind losing to Styles but to lose to him 3 times while attempting the same low blow cheap shot each time was over killed and over played
"Should have been a big star"
He won the NXT Title, Royal Rumble, US and IC Titles... he hasn't been a star though💁
@@MrZombieTurds it's hard to come back from bad booking, look at sheamus and Alberto del Rio, they've won everything in the company but nobody cared less after they kept losing, also how many storylines was he involved in with the US title or IC title? They don't know how to book him, when he was the IWGP intercontinental champion he was still a huge star and people cared about the title
This is obviously an old podcast, because Nakamura was still in NXT.. but it amazes me how brilliant Jim Cornette is and how he has predicted the future of wrestlers and wrestling, in general, on multiple occasions .. What a gem you are Corny! Love you
Larry Harris He is. This is just an old clip
@Larry Harris he was a guest at Jim Ross podcast
@Larry Harris This episode of the podcast is old. That is why gall01019 said it was old. Yes JR still does the podcast with Conrad. The guest this time was Jim Cornette.
This is obviously an old clip because Jim cornette and JR are even talking
Interesting that Cornette here says Nakamura is a star and has great physical charisma, presence and workrate. Nowadays on his pod, he calls him Shaky Nakamura and says he never saw anything in him. Hmm … almost like he’s working a gimmick.
“The more he is himself the better off he will be.” So true.
Shinsuke Nakamura is a genius. He was not fluent in English but he was so charismatic that he got himself over without talking much and his in ring storytelling was amazing. His heel turn was start of his downfall. He can definitely play an amazing heel but the character he was given was way too weak to be taken seriously.but he did the best he could have done with his character. He was typically ruined. He should go back to NJPW or NXT.
Jim Cornette is the Guru of Pro Wrestling. So accurate he was on this take.
Corny always knows!
Ppl say he is out of touch yet he is correct 9 times out of 10
A Z Of course he is. One of the last great wrestling minds that isn’t crazy because of coke or bumps, in wwe so they can’t speak out, or in aew conforming to their outlaw shit with kenny olivier and the bucks
A Z so Omega is on TNT, in a high-card to main event position and pulling solid ratings. How is he not a star? Why would WWE want him if he wasn’t a star?
@@milk_bath what is solid ratings for your standards?
@A Z isnt it interesting that viewing in ufc only gets bigger and for wrestling only gets smaller. You can compare it to two different approaches they have, ufc tries to make mma a mainstream, serious and legitimate sport that people can buy into, away from the human cockfights image that was theirs in the early 90's; while the wrestling business goes more and more non sensical and silly, needlessly violent and outlaw... you can almost think there is a correlation
i expected this to go, "he'll go to wwe, be misused and go back to New Japan."
the thing with Shin is, I think he really likes US, I mean the guy settled with his family already so
@@jamirimaj6880 They really have you calling him Shin? You’re programmed to the bone 😂
If you're a true wrestling fan you have to admit Jim Cornette has a heck of a mind for the wrestling business
Jim Cornette once again proves he knows his shit. His delivery might not be refined but he’s light years ahead of everyone else.... except me of course 😂.
CORNY is a f***ing WIZARD!! seeing the future and stuff...
i was there for that match with sami. it was my first time seeing either guy and it definitely set a high bar. unfortunately that got all thrown out in favor of whatever is going on now. i saw nakamura have a handful of great matches because he had just arrived in nxt, but they both could be so much more.
When he debuted on SD I had so much hope for him, however he never got to the level I hoped he would
That's depressing lol. They should have put the world title on him
Fuck no! Stupid idea! You stupid man!
Nah. He's not World Champion material imo. He's a mid card deluxe!
@@georgedillman4195 why is it stupid? And why are you yelling?
He could absolutely be a main card champ, are you kidding me. WWE just won’t let him do anything. He was so hot and they messed him up so bad. They never let the good wrestlers have programs and then after they mess them up they start jobbing them . It’s crazy , so many guys could be so much bigger, Guys like Cesaro who never even got a chance and still get over because they’re awesome
Keto Croix yeah Nakamura was so over with the crowd. He had song sang like crazy. He had a match of the year caliber match with Sami Zayn. He definitely should of have beaten Styles for the title at WrestleMania. Styles was already established, he had nothing to lose putting Nakamura over.
WWE ruined him.... how lol Everyone loved his entrance and his style. Also ruined Seth and Balor. A real shame when they are all so talented
I really hope he is saving his money, same with the other Japanese wrestlers, and will be able to say fuck it one day.
Seth is actually one of the best rn with his gimmick, Finn well glad he back in NXT where he can actually be himself and not some smiley damn idiot
Matthew Puckett what are you talking about lmfao
Balor is the only one of the 3 who is interesting at the moment. The Messiah character sucks and as we've said, Nakamura is going nowhere 🙁
Hahahaha cornette was fully correct 😂
isnt Jim always correct? - just ask him, he'll tell you.
He's not always been correct, but he is a lot of the time.
He was right about Steen and Generico too
I didn't think it was possible to make Nakamura into a nobody because of his personality alone but they managed to. I could only imagine what they would do to Okada.
Nakamura's biggest problem was lack of mic skills which COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED IF THEY JUST GAVE HIM A MANAGER.Brock has a manager,why can't Nakamura have a manager?Now that I mentioned the manager topic,in WWE the art of managers is a lost art,don't say the Sami and Zelina stuff,they are active wrestlers
Why couldn't Tajiri get more pushes in WWE ? He was an outstanding worker and could go with just about anyone match up wise . I know he was a cruiserweight and tag champ but he could of gotten more .
Probably gimmick and also people wasn't really behind him.. wasn't a big fan.
Trendnet18 McMahon never pushes Asians. Tajiri was the man and was hugely over.
height in those days was a factor, he was tiny and his character barely spoke English. Nakamura is reasonably tall and spoke better English.
There is more than being a good wrestler dude.Dean Malenko was better wrestler than Rock and Austin but Austin and Rock were top draw
@@gamechanger700 injury though is why Dean retired so early, right ? In WCW he was in line for the US title on top of already getting the cruiserweight title . Look at Muta the man was an outstanding performer in his days taking on Sting and Flair but again that was WCW .
Jim Cornette? Right?
That only happens once out of every...time.
Jim talks out the side of his neck alot, but when he's right he's usually spot the fuck on.
The Jinder Mahal and Aj Styles feud killed'em
I wish WWE would let Nakamura be himself still after all this time.
2 of the greats in one interview!!
Shinsuke was all hyped up for debuting in WWE and it fizzled out fast! Vince saw a fast payday and as soon as it was over, Shinsuke got the shaft.
Listening to this NOW, Corny NAILED it!!! In other news: the sun rose in the East, this morning!
The day they put a mic in his hands and had him say "I no speak engrish" it was game over. He was trending down for years previously, but that was the day his WWE career died. If they had him work a brutal stiff style as a babyface and just let his charisma shine, dude would be huge.
Vince McMahon killed Shinsuke Nakamura's momentum.
I know it won’t happen but I wish Nakamura went back to NJPW. Especially with the talent they have now, Nakamura vs Moxley, Nakamura vs Osprey, Nakamura vs LIJ Natio, Nakamura vs Takahashi, Nakamura vs ZSJ, Nakamura vs Shoto, Nakamura vs Juice, Nakamura vs KENTA, Nakamura vs Jericho (if he can work there still). He would be so over and he would have new life in his career.
I want Njpw Nakamura back.
NXT Nakamura would be cool as well
It was so depressing how right Corny was. Vince and Vince *ALONE* absolutely KILLED Nakamura and it’s too late to fix it.
Future? He doesn’t even have a present. Like no one in that company has shit right now.
This is an old interview. At the time this took place Nak was still in NXT.
You didn't even listen, clearly
Jim said he ain't having bad matches, damn Vince what've you done to Nakamura, he has not even been world champion once, you can't just leave him with one Royal Rumble
Does anyone know what happened to his other channel?
Old clip
it’s kinda creepy how on the nose cornette is here
He sounds almost as if he was another person.
Nakamura vs Styles in japan
Is the Best match I've ever seen.
For a minute there, Jim Cornette sounded like Steve Austin.
Is this an old video? It shows June 4, 2020. In the comments, people are talking like Nakamura has been destroyed by WWE. However, this video is about his debut.
The defense of Vince as not being racist, but ignorant misses the point, racism IS ignorance.
Someone answer that ringing phone cuz Corny F'n CALLED IT!!!
Nakamura is fine, he's making money and not putting his body through hell. Sure it sucks cause we as fans know what he's capable of but his best days are behind him and he's ok with it.
Vince needs to push this guy for a major title run
Nothing just like everybody else on that fucking roster they kill that man main roster
shinsuke Should have beaten AJ at Mania, and then run a three or four match series with them and in Survivor series or royal rumble let AJ take the title back. and let Shinsuke add that title to his already resume of great title runs. Aj would not have lost any face dropping the belt to a star like Shinsuke and Vince would of had another cash cow in the mix. instead of now Shinsuke is not even looked at as a good mid carder, when he is truly a mainevent guy everytime you need him to be.
Got it completely right.
I don't know why wwe takes in already established stars and puts them in development like NXT nakamura is part of the 3 musketeers from Japan that guy is dude why put him in development even finn balor that guy was amazing in New japan pro wrestling why put them in NXT and destroy them wtf
Did Corny just compare Stone Cold to Nakamura?! Wow, I am so
when was the original air of this podcast?
2016. After takeover dallas
I think jim might like NJPW you know
I didn't mind his heel turn I Don't Speak English thing would of been cool.but he just kept losing
IMO Nakamura doesn't really fit into the WWE system. He should move on back to Japan or to AEW potentially.
He fits better than most of the talent, they screwed up.
I really hope he goes to AEW. Especially if WWE keeps going down the road it's on.
@@President_Shin How when the WWE main roster limits free-flowing fluid wrestling, and his speciality of strong style
This didn’t age well. The buried him again. False push in that gauntlet match
Shame they haven't done something with him and lesnar
Nakamura for AEW
He would go back to NJPW
Maybe. But he really likes surfing and living in the USA. He might go back to Japan , but I don't know he wants to.
Please god no. Why ruin him even more?
@@kgotter They would book him 1000% better than WWE has, but I am NJPW mark so I would love to see him back there working with Switchblade, Naito, Ace, Ibishi, I have not seen him in a bad match in New Japan.
uniformkilo no they wouldn’t. They would book them with their crappy tier wrestlers like Marco stunt and orange Cassidy. I hope they don’t put Kenny omega in charge of it either. He would ruin him like he did the women’s division.
How long ago did they do this?
Considering they’re talking about his NXT Debut, it’s probably some time in 2016
I highly doubt there is no racism involved with Nakamura and other foreign talent bookings. Waaay too many incidents and onscreen evidence that points to the contrary. If not directly by Vince (which I also highly doubt) then by those under him which he is still directly responsible for since he wants to be head of creative as well as chairman of a billion dollar company.
Asuka is the only Asian that Vince has pushed to the top and it's because The Man had a baby. Has he ever pushed a male Asian to the top? I can't think of a single one that didn't end up doing job till he was released.
And frankly Vince doesn't protect the women's belt like a top belt. It's used more like an intercontinental belt that shifts hands on the fly or because you took an elevator and climbed an actual ladder.
Almost all the women have been the champ. Snuka hasn't. The tag-teams mostly haven't. That's about it?
He could of been huge.
Prob the biggest waste by WWE. We all were so excited, he delivered, then they put him on the shelf. At least he made a good payday so good for him.
Holy shit
Jim Ross was wrong. He's had a couple of bad matches when he got to the main roster.
Thanks to Jinder
@@smarkslowplay3512 to be fair Nak had matches with AJ but they were lackluster and the booking was 5/10
Yeah - what does HE know?!
Araf Zaman It’s primarily because of how the matches are produced they’re telegraphed to play a role on the show to not overshadow something else so they have to train themselves to not go all out vs on NXT they’ll give you TakeOver style matches all the time since its encouraged to do your best in your slated time. Best example I can give is Ricochet his moveset drastically changed since coming to the main roster in the sense that they basically tore him down to use 5 moves in his matches
He should have had the gimmick of believing he was the lead singer of Simple Minds.
This is so sad to hear with hindsight
You say Vince.
It not a racist thing.
But I think it is.
Just my opinion.
Damn Shinsuke needs to leave wwe
How old is this ?
Shinsuke's debut match against Sammy Zayn was on April 1, 2016
Well corne was right lol
He should leave WWE and go to AEW and get a feud going with Kenny Omega. I'd LOVE to see that.
@tiberius there are a ton of feuds he can have in AEW. Him vs Moxley (the battle of the hard hitters). I would like to see him against Cody, him against Hangman Page, him against Brian Cage. Or him against MJF (that would be like him against Miz who should of been his first feud but that didn't happen. By the time he actually feuded with Miz, he was already buried down the cards and he didn't even beat Miz clean).
@@princeleo8803 yeah, a lot of possibilities. He would just fit SO much better in AEW than WWE...
Ross cnt wait for nakamura too quit wwe😭
Tickets really can't u just walk in
Yea must be hard loosing millions of tax payers money every year, poor Vince 😂
Nakamura’s language barrier is what helped end his push. People couldn’t really understand him
Just give the guy a manager.Lesnar has a manager even though he can cut decent promos
How old is this! Click bait
Thanos Flair 3 years old
@Larry Harris Conrad is grilling JR this is the prequel the Ross report.
How is it clickbait? The vid is exactly the title. The reason it's posted now is because it works now. You can't say that you predicted the future while you're in the present.
It is click bait. It should have been Jim Cornette PREDICTED Nakamura's WWE future.
Shinsuke is going to leave for AEW or Back to New Japan. I just know it, and prove again that Vince doesn’t know how to utilize his stacked roster.
No he isn't he's in wwe to make his retirement. He's having fun stacking money and surfing
never saw in nakamura that carisma everyone is talking about, at all
but i don't really think he predicted the future here, he stated the obvious
He should go to AEW and mainevent in AEW with Jon Moxley
2 days ago my ass
Yeah. Shinske has been floundering on the main roster for years. This sounds like it is possibly 8 years old.
This is old
Yeah I thought this might some thing new since it just got posted.
Thats the point
His wife?
This is a old podcast, before the tragic death of JR's wife.
@@syvyn11 obviously
Nakamura is a nobody in wwe
this is old as fuck
Nakamura come home aew waiting
Strange way to spell NJPW 😕
Home?
Wooooooo
SHITSTAIN NAKAMURA LMAO
JR, come home
You can tell 1000% when JR thinks something on AEW is bullshit.
I actually thought his commentary was awful all of last year and really into this year a few months but he has gotten a lot better . And this is someone who has been a fan for over 20 years of him..
He needs to go to AEW and actually wrestle.
He needs to go to Japan and be treated like a legend
Nakamura is so lazy, his unwillingness to go all out in every match and bust his ass to hit four stars is really disappointing.
If he got cut and was forced to back to New Japan, I wouldn't feel sorry for him.
Did you see his match in nxt? He will bust his ass just fine.
WWE give him weak waste of a match. They tell him to do this short matches, put him in lame ass stories so of course his matches are lame now.
@ShadowWinger99...WWE has LARGELY given Nakamura shit to work with. They don't understand him & have used him horribly. However, Nakamura did sign a contract & you should give 100% even if you are doing story that is garbage to honor that contract. I look at guys like Moxley, Gallows & Anderson, EC3, etc. who did the work they were given, even though it was a bad waste of their talent, until they were let go. But without question, Nakamura is a 5 star talent when used correctly.