Irina Slutskaya (RUS) - 2002 Salt Lake City, Figure Skating, Ladies' Free Skate
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2010
- Salt Lake City, Utah, USA - 2002 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Ladies' Free Skate - Irina Slutskaya of Russia did not perform the two triple-triple combinations she had planned. In addition, she had a very rough landing on the triple flip jump. This was enough to place her 2nd in the Free Skate, and thus, losing the Gold Medal to Sarah Hughes of the United States.
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I love it when Sandra Bezic says, "One triple...and several doubles...in a series" because she has NO idea what else to call the sloppy, flouncy, stiff-legged jumping pass that Slutskaya just tripped her way through.
Irina tried to disguise step-outs as "euler double salchow" for years!!
I wondered if I was the only person to think that she used that pass to cover for an off-balance landing. I even think it's debatable whether the 3 flip was a clean, ratified landing. The second lutz had an awkward stiff landing also.
@@mikeg8375 Yes, it seems like she was trying to cover up a trip or mistake as if to say, "Ya, I meant to do that." LOL
It’s just so good to go back every now and then and watch this. Brings a smile to my face every time
"One triple and several doubles in a series."
--Sandra Bezic ☠
Sadly the new system rewards sloppy skating as long as they hit the jumps and turns. It's not about the all around package anymore. Irina was sloppy. This was not Michelle's night. It's scary how close this skating almost took the Gold.
Hughes did nothing artistically and her line was sloppy. What the heck are you posting about? You don't have a clue.
@@ctruth6185 you know what im posting about so many people agree with me
@@MichaelDruck But it doesn't matter if 10 million people agree with you. Popularity is no substitute for the TRUTH. Your statement is just a personal opinion. Its likely, many Americans agree with you out of misplaced nationalism which they believe is patriotism. Lots of people agreeing with you doesn't make your point valid. Its doesn't make it true. The new system rewards pushing the limits & refining technique. It rewards all the parts of the sport which make it athletic and I'm perfectly fine with it. I believe its wonderful, after- all, the Olympics is the zenith of sport. That alone, should be the sole focus---the athletic side of the sport. There are many shows & exhibitions where a skater can focus on art & performing. Once a competitive career ends there are tours that cater to honing the art of skating but strong technique will can only be captured during a skater's prime. It won't last. But its the foundation from which a skater can build their art.
@@lila2986 Shut up you skank. American female skaters are washed up in the sport period. Nobody in the USA gives a rip about skating anyway. GTHOH pig!
@@ctruth6185 Are you informed that Russia and Belarus can no longer compete in world competitions?
I have no proof of this, but I'm guessing Irina's coach told her Michelle had not had a good skate so there was no need to take any unnecessary risks. I'm sure she never dreamed the judges would rank Sarah over her at the Olympics no matter how well Sarah skated. She doesn't look like she was even considering doing those triple-triples, and I think she was so hugely upset at the end because she had to know if she had just done a little more difficult content, the gold would have been hers even with the sloppy triple flip.
I imagine she was thinking, "just slow down everything and don't fall, and you've got it." Unfortunately for her, she didn't have the same technical content as Sarah, and she had a sloppy landing. Months afterwards, Irina said in interviews that it just came down to the judges; she felt she still had deserved that win. I love Irina's fast, powerful skating and had never paid much attention to Sarah, but tonight Irina was slow yet oddly frenetic and it just didn't work. Between eight of the judges, they evened out - it was the Italian judge that nudged Sarah ahead of Irina. And had Michelle not fallen, this miraculous ending would not have even taken place!
@Antonio Jose Vivero Viteri No question about it. In my mind, she fully deserved the gold.
@Antonio Jose Vivero Viteri Sarah had no pressure because no one supports she would be the winner. （∩▽∩）Sarah surprised what happened at the 2002 Olympics more than anyone.
I'm honestly in awe at the fact that there are people who believe she should've won gold, including Irina herself. She had FOUR clean triples, not to mention awful artistry and choreography. All 3 American ladies had more clean triples than her and much better artistry. She is lucky she was on the podium at all.
Actually she had 5 clean triples. Two Lutzes, The Loop, The Top Loop, and Salchow
@@tyronebranch2946 The 2nd Lutz wasn't clean. It was two footed.
@@dbulc5171 It was clean. View it in slow motion. Just because Scott says it doesn't mean it's correct.
@@tyronebranch2946 I believe Scott was right... It might've been slightly two foot but it was still two foot. And he was there at the event live, so he had a better view than us.
Agree.
"But they weren't clean Scott..."
In this house we stan Sandra
@@antmfan231995 always
Watching scores again and still can't believe how high her score were. I mean 5.9s for presentation, wven the 5.8s for technical merit were almost gifts.
gift is that you are able to write without brains
When are you gonna learn that under the 6.0 ordinal system, the score is a ranking relative to other skaters.
Главное было 5 судей с первым местом, а не 5,9
A triple and a series of doubles: lmao, Sandra Bezic takes no bullshit
@Novak D exactly. I love it 🤣
Even though I know what happened and I watched this over and over again when I was a kid....it still makes me nervous to wait for the final scores because the stakes were so high
It’s who you are competing against in a competition. Kristi Yamaguchi fell on a triple loop and doubled a salchow but won gold. We give Michelle too hard a time on the missed flip.
Her heart wasn’t in it. Sarah deserved that medal. You don’t judge an Olympics on how different judges decided to view Kristi Yamaguchi’s program against different skaters in 1992-good grief. You just wanted Michelle to win. It is most definitely not who you are competing against. Michelle had to show up and skate like everyone else. She did a much better job in 1998 against Tara, but there can only be one gold. Sometimes I think they should just award three golds so you don’t have this endless snarking afterwards. Trying to judge who is the “best” is often ridiculous.
@@ravenel2 This wasn't Michelle's night (or season). She deserved to win in 1998 over Tara's juvenile presentation and under-rotated 3-3. The draw was not in her luck.
@@Qacc6 Agree that it wasn't Michelle's time, but on the subject of Tara, 6 of 9 Olympic judges and Michelle Kwan's coach agreed Tara deserved to win.
Sarah deserved it. She was the best. Delightful to behold.
Sarah was lucky, because the other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes......（∩▽∩）
"If there is a three-way tie... Guess what! Sarah Hughes wins the gold medal."
Sarah was a middle skater, she did a good job never happened before to win and she was lucky because the other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes.
Michelle did not technically fall in her long; she touched down the ice with her hand. Though Irina did not touch down the ice, she landed severely forward on her flip. Both infractions deserved a deduction. Also, Michelle had two clean lutzes whereas Irina only had one. Michelle two-footed on her first toe-loop whereas Irina two-footed on her second lutz. Two-footing didn't warrant a deduction but was considered an omission. Based on jumps alone --- and the fact that Michelle landed a triple lutz at the second half of the program ---Michelle clearly had more difficult jump content.
I've had a theory for over twenty years now that Michelle would have won the gold here if it weren't for the judging controversy in the pairs competition just a few days earlier. If they had put Michelle second in the long behind Hughes she would have won the gold under these rules, But there would've been another controversy because the public would not have understood why Hughes would have lost despite that electrifying performance which was far better than anyone else's that night... This performance by Slutskaya was really sloppy, uninspired, and slow. I think if there was a mathematical way the judges could have given the silver to Michelle ahead of Irina, they would have. Unfortunately there wasn't and they had to sacrifice the silver medal winner for the gold medal winner.
@mikeg8375 Totally agree. Michelle was robbed because of the pairs scandal. Notice that Sarah never won a nationals or worlds, she got lucky.
The real issue here was whether Michelle skated better than Irina. Michelle clearly had the artistic advantage. Had the US judge placed Michelle 2nd instead of Irina after the long program, Michelle would have won the gold medal.
Truth nailed. M.K. basically got screwed off two gold medals in both Olympics she has participated in, but it the end didn't need it. Ladies skating OG is less brighter without her name on it. Oh well.
@@theprinceoftides6836 How did she get screwed ? Because two different skaters skated better four years apart ? Just a little biased no 😅?
@@ZzXZ636 Sarah lost the short program. Irina did not skate better than Michelle. Winning the free skate does not guarantee gold if you didn't place in the top 3 in the short program, and Sarah was 4th in the short. Sarah deserved to win the free skate but not the gold. It really should have been a US sweep of the podium, Kwan, Hughes, then Cohen.
@@jadedixon3641 remember this is an objective AND subjective judging event . Someone is going to win and someone is going to lose !
@@ZzXZ636 and how is that relevant to what I said? I didn't suggest a tie.
Back when the Russians allowed actual post-pubescent women to skate.
y gana la adolescente de 16 años de USA, igual que 4 años antes ganó la adolescente de 15 años de USA
@@KoraimaLynn Así es!
I was today years old when I realized Irina only did 6 triples, one of which had a flawed landing, another two footed according to the commentator. Surprised this beat Michelle, but maybe I'm watching with IJS eyes. Falling was a huge problem under 6.0. And Irina's spins were brilliant.
It's debatable who should have been ahead between Irina and Michelle, but if Irina had not beat Michelle, then Michelle would have won the gold, which I don't think would have made sense, so I think overall the results ended up pretty fairly.
I question whether you know what you saw? Technique isn't just triples. Irina did Bielmann spins on both legs. Sara's triple-triple = Irina's 3 loop, 2 sal, 2 loop. Sara's spins were blah & she lack any choreography at all. She skated around doing triples and that's it. Her skating hasn't held up with time. She got a gift from the judges for being American Michelle did too. She was on her butt. The Foreign skater got ripped.
@@ctruth6185 What? Slutskaya was sloppy and almost fell on a jump. Sarah was flowing and no, a triple triple is more difficult than a triple double double.
@@ctruth6185 What? Sarah’s spins were gorgeous!
very Russian style: a lot of posturing and superfluous head, arm, and hand movements feigning emotion.
Still better than Tara Lipinski and Sarah Hughes.
@@TT-ee4qp Absolutely not.
What a hodgepodge. Slutskaya developed some in her later years, but this was not worth 2nd place. Sasha, Sarah and Michelle had better perormance all-round.
The Italian judge ended up averaging out the eastern and western bloc voting and ended up being the only judge who had the same ordinals as the results (Hughes, then Slutskaya, then Kwan, then Cohen)
The Italian judge had her 4th behind Cohen. Rightfully so in my opinion.
Her skating did not fit with the music. Found it to be off and slow.
Agreed. The choreography was terrible.
What was that mess at the end?
Right? She always had awful choreography
Laughing
Just the end? I thought it was a mess from the first pose onwards.
“One triple and several doubles in a series” 😂😅
The 2loop landing also looked uncontrolled to me, like this "series" was a cover for un unclean landing.
@@mikeg8375 Correct! She stepped out of the double loop. Tried to disguise it by adding the double toe.
@ChristianLehrer Overall, I think her performance was sloppy and I might have even placed her fourth in the long program if I was a judge.
@@mikeg8375 Agree!
This is so emotional, beautiful storytelling program
I have to adapt my comment, Irina was underscored af in the short program, she should have been first and THEN she would have won the gold, because only Sarah, but no other skater had beaten her in the free skate!!!!!
It wasn't about triples and Irina doing the hand over her head was more complex a 3 lutz. Her entries & exists were more difficult. What did that have to do with the freeskating? She didn't technically blow Irina out of the water. You have that American bias.
Did she add the double salchow because she was about to fall out of the double toe?
Yup, looks like it. I think it was some sort of strategy that was taught: just disguise a turn out with a double sal.
While I like Irina skating a lot she was very tense and out of place in the FS. The Tosca program didn't make it for me. I think the real issue was her overwhelming over-expression and movement which looks forced and artificial also she didn't perform her jumps as planned so if she didn't hit the jumps, she didn't hold a candle to other skaters. I agree with the ridiculous presentation scores but her SP was amazing, artistic, beautiful, and mature, and was the best I've seen from her. I think she should have gotten a choreographer that could hide her weaknesses while highlighting her strengths.
Totally agree. She needed to skate clean with better landings and a 3-3 to have a shot at beating Hughes in the long. When she makes mistakes on the jumps it hurts her because her skating Doesn't have a whole lot more strengths to get her the high scores she needs. Another good example of that would be at the 2001 world championships. She had one really sloppy landing compared with a mesmerizing performance from Kwan. It was a no brainer.
I LOVE Sarah’s dress. It is SO pretty
Wtf r u doing here? Go watch Sara videos, especially those after 2002
@@ilyichoblomov The 2002 Olympics winner Sarah got the 6th place at the 2003 World championship. （∩▽∩）Yes, Sarah was a middle skater.
I love Sarah. So cute and kind
I hear a lot of comments about Sarah's jumps being under-rotated. From the angles I've seen, they seemed to be under, but less than a quarter-turn with the blade on the ice, which makes them "legal" or whatever. Comments? I enjoyed Irina's skate, but that over-rotation was so blatantly obvious I think that may be what cost her in the end.
Serenata de Schubert, a música de apresentação (short program) da atleta Irina Slutskaya nas Olimpíadas de Inverno 2002. [Vídeo: Irina Slutskaya (RUS) - 2002 Salt Lake City, Figure Skating, Ladies´ Short Program]. Na performance Free Skate, Irina Slutskaya veio de Tosca, de Puccini. [Vídeo: Irina Slutskaya (RUS) - 2002 Salt Lake City, Figure Skating, Ladies´ Free Skate] [FIGURE SKATING - LADIES´ EVENTS da obra ESPETACULAR, de Fernando Pinheiro]
I give Irina cred. for that final combo spin 4:48. A double Bielmann performed on different legs.
Not a fan of the chosen music and for some reason, it just feels like she's going through the motions, doing the jumps (etc) like checking off a shopping list. Seemed to lack passion. Choreographically, there just to be a disjointed feel between skater, program and music ... like they weren't in sync, or missing something. Technically, with the exception of a couple of blips, it was satisfactory however, as someone else said, not a medal winning performance.
Yeah it was just really uninspired. Technically there was some decent work in there but it was SLOW and very sloppy. That jumping pass which included the 2 doubles at the end looked to me like a cover for an off balance landing.
It did seem like she was going through the motions. I agree
Irinaaaa, so beautiful! Thanksss for being part of My Childhood!
One of my favorites 😁🤩
she could have easily done a 3/3 off that first jumping pass.... and probably regrets it every day.
In case anyone was wondering at all, Sandra Bezic really really really really really wanted Sarah to win. Just in case it wasn't clear to everyone watching the Olympics.
Because Sarah was the best performance that night. It’s not hard.
Well, she called it correctly because Sarah was the rightlful winner that nightl
Well Sarah is American. She will be the best, forever.
I very much preferred her to Tara.
There was absolutely no reason for anyone to score higher than Sarah that night (at least in terms of technical merit), that includes a clean Michelle Kwan. Sarah had 8 triples, Michelle and Irina had 5 clean ones. Not giving Sarah the gold would've been an injustice
the issue was the rankings of the fs. Since michelle was 1st in the sp and sarah 4th, someone other than Sarah had to also beat michelle in the fs. A lot of people felt michelle should have been 2nd in the fs and have beaten irina, which would have allowed michelle to win the gold medal, with sarah second
@@zb6070 That would be wrong, because with Michelle's mistakes, she didn't deserve the gold that night. I think the problem was that Michelle placed in front of Sasha in the fs. Yes they had a similar amount of mistakes, but Sasha fell attempting a triple lutz-triple toe combination, Michelle fell on a solo triple flip, 2 footed her triple toe during the triple toe-triple toe attempt, and eventually bailed to do a triple-double. I would've had for the free skate: 1) Sarah 2) Sasha 3) Irina 4) Michelle
@@mht4908 there is more to skating than jumps. Transitions, spins, spirals etc. Irina had next to no artistry and made many jump mistakes. Taking artistry kwan should easily beat irina. Sasha has performance but didnt have the reputation yet and her program had a lot of dead spaces which hurt her.
Sarah had 7 triples, and by the way, there are 4 sets of marks in total. 1 clean program doesn’t win the competition. Settle down.
You don't seem to understand how the 6.0 system worked. Sarah was 4th after the short. I could even agree with a ridiculous argument about Sarah deserving 6.0s that night. What I don't agree with was how the ladies were ranked in the long program.
Yes, Sarah probably won the long. However, Slutskaya should not have placed 2nd in the long. It should have been Kwan or Cohen.
Im just not a fan. Obviously a great athlete, but her lines are always broken up and kind of all over the place.
What was that part at the end?
Agreed. That was just poor choreography
It was ugly, that's what it was.
She did not win a gold medal but she is part of Figure Skating History.
PD: Huges had the Olimpic lucky.
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This was not her best, but I do like the height on that triple toe jump at the end of the performance.
Very heavy skating
Her last spin was amazing!
The judges overcompensated that night because of the pairs scandal that happened a few days before. They were determined to prove to the world how "just" they were, which meant allowing Sarah Hughes to "win" the gold medal despite being 4th after the short. In my humble opinion, the long program ordinals should have been:
-Sarah Hughes (5.8, 5.8)
-Michelle Kwan (5.6, 5.9)
-Sasha Cohen (5.7, 5.7)
-Irina Slutskaya (5.7, 5.6)
I would have scored Sasha's presentation a 5.8 - Michelle was a bit dull (for Michelle) -equal to Sarah's presentation. Unfortunately, Sasha got pushed off the battlefield in the end, which is a shame.
Those are not ordinals, those are scores/points. Ordinals are placements.
The judges screwed up by putting Sasha behind Michelle, they wouldn’t have had to over score Irina had Sasha been 2nd
How did this beat Kwan?
The only way Sarah Hughes could win the gold medal, which she rightfully deserved for her stellar LP, was if someone else defeated Michelle Kwan in the LP. The only skater who could come close to doing that was Irina. There is NO WAY this mess of a LP beat Michelle, but the judges had to place her ahead of Michelle in order for the rightful skater, Sarah, to win gold. The way the ordinals played out, the judges had to sort of throw Michelle under the bus for Sarah to win. Kwan should have been no lower than silver here, but mathematically, that wasn't possible. They had to sacrifice the rightful silver medalist in order for the rightful gold medalist to win.
@@L1623VP - that makes sense. Thanks so much!
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Because Kwan fell at all.
I think Michelle fell? If she didn't fall they ripped her off! She should've sued them.
I thought it going to be American sweep on ladies figure skating, boy I was wrong
Что самое интересное - Слуцкая закончила программу и сразу же после этого показали лысого судью-итальянца, который в итоге поставил Слуцкую на четвертое место. Как будто бы и оператор заранее знал, кто из судей куплен.
The gold medal for touching ones head the most in one performance to try to be artistic goes to Irina.
A poor music choice for Irina. Her obvious struggle to interpret the music contrasts painfully with her much better presentation in the short program here, and in future seasons, she had better presentation than this in several of her programs, including her 2006 long program. The judges were generous to her on both marks here, especially the presentation mark, to place her above Michelle. It is strange that Irina felt cheated (as she later implied in an interview) after skating a less difficult, and also flawed, performance compared to Sarah's clean performance. She should have considered herself lucky to get the silver.
@@Dylvente I agree, her 2006 free skate was much better suited for her. Its a shame she choked so badly there.
I slowed this down and I still can't see a two foot landing. Wtf Scott.
so much natioanlism.
Первый каскад хотела прыгнуть 3-3 ,но что то пошло не так. По лицу видно немного недовольна.
Yup, with that performance. Sarah snatched away from Russia
I always liked Irina's skating and personality.
The 2nd Lutz wasn't remotely two footed.
I agree. I guess they had a better view than we do, but both Scott and Sandra were quick (not just here) to call out two-foot landings that in some cases really weren't. (In the 2006 Olympics, Sandra did so but corrected herself when the replay happened.) Still an overrated performance on the technical mark IMO.
You could tell it was two-footed in part by how the ice flew off when she landed. Clearly, it was two-footed.
Even if it wasn't two footed, it was sloppy. If you compare it with Kwan's second Lutz it was not as good.
Olympic figure skating, where the points don't matter and the rules are made up.
Sarah Hughes was lucky, she didn't really deserve to win.
@@TT-ee4qp They all knew how the judging system worked before they went into this - it had been like that since the first competitions in the early 20th century. You skate clean, technically superior programs against those that might be artistically superior but technically FLAWED, you're going to win. Sarah's skill got her the strongest free program; luck got her the gold instead of silver. I love rooting for the underdog, despite the obvious Schadenfreude that came into play here.
@@scottw6704
Sarah Hughes was a middle skater in the history.
Sarah's technique never won any World champion or the National titles.
Sarah Hughes never did 2 triple triple combo before or after the 2002 Olympics.
Sarah's terrible jumps wouldn't get marks today.
@@scottw6704
It's a accident that Sarah won.
She was lucky because the other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes.
And Sarah's technique was overrated.
Sarah was just a Olympics Cinderella.
This was simply not enough to win the gold. To beat Hughes in the long she would have needed a 3-3 as she was artistically weaker than Hughes, Kwan, and Cohen. I think there was a credible argument to put her behind Kwan and Cohen in the long. The majority put her in second in the long because it guaranteed Hughes would win gold.
No judge should ever engineer an outcome. Kwan and Cohen were better than Slutskaya in the long.
@coffeebreakmediaPH I agree. I feel that the judges felt a lot of pressure to get this right in the eyes of the media after the pairs fiasco, so they engineered the placements in a way the media wouldn't question, but it went against the spirit of the system as it was at the time.
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5.6, 5.5 for Irina. She should have placed 4th or 5th in the free skate. Though Hughes may have won the free skate, taking the short program results into consideration, Kwan or Cohen should have won the gold. The artistic mark should have gone to Kwan despite touching down on the flip; technical mark should have gone to Cohen despite the one fall.
Reading these comments, all I can say is that Sarah Hughes deserved to win the gold medal. Cohen and Kwan both fell over, and Slutskaya made too many errors and almost fell over. All three of Hughes’ opponents skated badly, and in an Olympic competition they just weren’t good enough.
Sarah Hughes was lucky. 😂
Sarah deserved to win the LP. An argument could be made that she should've been placed lower than 4th in the SP. I think Irina should've won the SP, which would then given her the overall win even with this flawed LP.
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Looks like she tripped over herself at 1:59 and slipped at 3:50, no triple-triples and nowhere near at good as Sara Hughes. It doesn't even seem close to me.
Sarah was always under appreciated/scored in competitions prior… she had the last laugh.
It's a accident that Sarah won the Olympics gold....just like Tara Lipinski and they were lucky .（∩▽∩）
Sarah was a middle skater. Even she won the Olympics gold.
@@ardeladimwit I have wondered that myself - I think it's definitely a paid troll.
Sarah got lucky and she knew it. If it hadn't been for the pairs scandal she wouldn't have won, unless she had been in the top 3 in the short program, which she was not.
Sarah Hughes was clearly the best skater that night. She wasn't just lucky to win, she deserved to win. She had the artistry and she was the only one to do 2 triple combinations. When Irina didn't get the gold medal she cried and had a little tantrum which reminded me of Alexandra Trusova having a major meltdown crying and carrying on like a poor sport.
Do you think Slutskaya deserved to rank higher than Kwan that night?
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Sarah lost the short program. Irina did not skate better than Michelle. The judges were using this to cover up their corruption after the pairs scandal.
Slutskaya did not have a tantrum. She was visibly upset but reacted naturally and respectfully. What event were you even watching?
If Irina has been given gold, would that have bumped Sarah down to bronze? I know technically Michelle was still in the lead before this performance.
No. Michelle was 'in the lead' before this skate because Sarah's 4th place short skate + 1st place free skate in total ranked behind Michelle's 1st place short skate + 2nd place (at that moment, before Irina skated) free skate. Once Irina skated and the judges ranked her 2nd in free, that bumped Michelle down to 3rd. If Irina was given 1st place in free (2nd short+1st free), she would have won gold, Sarah silver (4th+2nd), and Michelle still would have received bronze (1st+3rd).
Got it... thanks!
@@corawaller-jacobs8007 the equation back then was SP rank * 0.5 + FS rank * 1 = Total Factored Rank.
@@phantasmex Sarah was lucky, because she didn't belong to the level of Michelle and Irina. The other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes, so that Sarah won.
I was so upset when Sarah Hughes won the gold medal. Irina, Michelle, and Sasha were all superior skaters around that time. I was so pissed.
Hopefully you're over it now.
A L - Neither of them was a superior skater to her on that particular evening, at that particular event.
@@MrOu83 Sarah was lucky because the other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes.
@@TT-ee4qp sometimes I think that Michelle hypo is only because she was Asian.
@Novak D I'd agree her Olympic win was a fluke, but she had a bronze from a previous worlds and several Grand Prix medals. Her win wasn't completely out of nowhere. She probably would have still medaled in SLC if Kwan and Slutskaya had skated cleanly in the LP.
Irina's free program was quite uninspiring compared to Sarah Hughes who deservedly won the Gold over Irina and Michelle's Free Program
Вот с таким прокатом Ирина считает, что ее засудили?? что отобрали у нее первое место?? Это же абсурд! Сара Хьюз опередила ее на 20 баллов по всем параметрам!
A mess of a program, not even her jumps were quality in this number. I know why she was placed second, I guess, but she shouldn't have been in the top three. Overscored throughout her career, she should have been grateful for silver here.
I would have given Cohen third in the long over Slutskaya. This was artistically really weak, technically mediocre.
I agree with you - this was a mess. Her short program was excellent and she skated it well. But even without a fall, Irina's skating is painful thing to look at.
@auntiechercher4266 it was 100% the wrong music selection also. Not suited for her at all. Something more modern would have served her much better.
Даааа!!!!А потом был чемпионат мира и где Саша её там не было!!!А Ирина взяла там золото!❤
Who would have won if both Tara and Sarah was competing and doing the same programs that they did to win the gold. WOW!!!!
The whole shenanigans still piss me off, as if it was yesterday.
Get help
And she thinks THIS deserved the gold medal???? The girl is dellusional
Michelle's 2004 program < Tosca > was better than Irina's here.
@@ardeladimwit Unfortunately, Michelle fell at the 2002 Olympics, it's a accident and just happened, that's why Sarah got the gold. Sarah did a good job never happened before to win, and she was lucky because the other better skaters made mistakes.
Michelle Kwan fell, Sasha Cohen fell and Irina Slutskaya have a mediocre performance with a few jump mistakes. She think she would win because she was second in the short program.
8:35
I hate scott’s saying 2002,2014
Why, particularly?
@@scottw6704 too much talking and not justice looks
5.9 for presentation, ridiculous score
At most, Slutskaya deserved a 5.6 for artistry.
It's ridiculous because your athlete didn't win
@@deeem5468 I’m British we didn’t have an athlete therefore your comment is moot. Fact is Slutskaya had poor presentation & even poorer posture.
@@TressBraga agree 100%
Just a terrible problem artistically. A hot mess. I would have given Michelle 5.6/5.8 and Irina 5.8/5.6. Sarah deserved to win even with her cheated triple triples. She’s the only one that didn’t make a clear mistake in both programs.
It’s like she was trying too hard to be dramatic and artistic. It was so forced.
Ilove Snoopy She looked like she was just out to do the jumps. Just a fucking lump. She was as exciting as a really slow-burning dumpster fir. fire.
It was just painful to watch. There is no artistry anywhere in this train wreck.
I know this is probably going to be a controversial opinion, but I think the judges got it right that night. Sarah truly had everything that night. But I'm focusing on Michelle and Irina, not Sarah. And as unpleasant as Irina's free skate was, I still would have placed her ahead of Michelle. While Irina was clearly not equal to Michelle in terms of artistry (which we all agree on.), I thought her technical skate was stronger than Michelle. Irina's skate was flawed, Michelle did have bigger mistakes, like double-footing her 3-Toe/3-Toe combo and falling on the Flip. And Irina double-footing her Flip landing forward on her Toe Loop (which is more of a "quality deduction" than an actual deduction). And while I think Michelle's "Scherezade" program was beautiful, Sarah Kawahara's choreography has never been known for its difficulty or very challenging. And in terms of technique, Michelle's long was the least difficult of the top 3 women.
Yes but I think if Irina had won the short (which IMO she actually should have) the judges would have now placed Michele 2nd in the long and Irina 3rd in the long just to make sure Sarah won. Basically with the two skates being similar-ish they were going to place whoever had to be 3rd for Sarah to win there to make sure of that result. They didn't want another scandal after all the broo hah over the pairs and they know the dumb as hammers general skating audience would not get things like factored points or too far back after the short, etc...Of course if Sarah had been lower than 4th in the short as she also should have been it would now have been impossible to find a way to give her the gold overall anyway.
@@grantgoffin4774 It's a accident that Sarah won the Olympics just because the other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes.
Michelle kwan had triple triple combo since 1995 ~ 2005 ( not every time ) ,which means her technique was stable and better than the other skaters like Tara Lipinski and Sarah Hughes had triple triple combo just for 2~3 years.
Irina had strong technical, but she skated like a truck driver, her artistry was far from Michelle's.
Actually, Michelle created so many difficult programs in her career.
Much difficult than Tara Lipinski and Sarah Hughes..... Under the new system, Tara's technique and Sarah's wouldn't get marks today.
Slight 2 foot on the landing, Scott?! There was no 2 foot. What the hell are you talking about?! This program had no artistry whatsoever though. I would have given Michelle 5.5 and 5.8 and Irina 5.7 and 5.6 thus giving Michelle the lead and the gold medal, Sarah the silver, and Irina the bronze.
Sarah had the best program on both fronts. I had Sarah 5.8 5.8 Sasha 5.6 5.8 Michele 5.5 5.8 and Slutskaya 5.7 5.6 ( the judges would never mark Slutskaya that low)
You can’t give Michelle the gold on a performance like that, no matter what she did in the short. Sarah Hughes absolutely grabbed that gold and good for her.
@@ravenel2 Sarah's jumps were all underrotated.
2:39 Looks like the toe of her left foot is on the ice, although it would require slow motion to be sure.
just love rewatching this over and over and critiquing...
Sarah did have the best freeskate, you can't take that away from her.
If Michelle didn't have that fall she would have won.. but she fell and she knew she lost it. You could see it on her face.
Irena could have won if there was one tripple tripple jump but she didn't. and her 2 footing that tripple lutz, I watched and rewatched... she did not 2foot that landing. This is what makes great skating.. those judges had to mark Irena above Michelle
I agree that she deserved to win the FS, but not the gold medal, not under those rules. If they had scored Kwan higher than Irena, she would have taken the top spot; I personally believe that Cohen also should have gotten bronze, since Irena had zero artistry here and her skate did not match her music. After the corruption scandal, though, they were worried for the sanctity of their sport. Sarah did great and she was the the safest choice.
Boring program. Was not a medal winning performance imo.
Agreed. But the corrupt judges didn't want another scandal and the general public is too stupid to figure out that the short program is 1/3 of the overall score and Sarah lost the short program. They needed to score Irina higher than Michelle to make sure Sarah won so the judges avoided more, although deserved, scrutiny.
Watching the 2002 Olympics is tough. For me, skating died here.
@@jadedixon3641 Unfortunately, you are 100% correct! Michelle was made the sacrificial lamb that night. The only silver lining was Michelle would continue to skate and evolve for several more years post-Salt Lake.
Terrible choreography
This was a lose-lose situation no matter how Irina was placed. Placing Irina behind Michelle would mean that Michelle still wins gold, which she did not deserve that night due to her mistakes. I personally think Irina was overscored in the short and should've placed no higher than 4th (ie. Michelle - 1st, Sasha - 2nd, Sarah - 3rd). Putting Irina for silver also seems undeserving as her landings were quite wonky and wasn't clean overall
Michelle had that one fall. she didn't have a tripple tripple. So it wasn't fair to give her a gold when Sarah had 2 tripple tripple in her program. Irena didn't have a tripple combo either.. just a tripple with doubles. They, Michelle and Irena handed it to Sarah and they both knew it. but it was a great competition
It should've been Sarah, Sasha, Michelle then Irina. But it was too late.. They already placed Michelle over Sasha.
@@dbulc5171 They over glorified Michelle through out the whole season.. and yet again she didn't deliver. Just listening to Michelles interviews made my eyes wonder off into space. The media never paid that much attention to Tara or Sarah. They did shine some light on Sasha.. did that glimmer freak her out when it came time to perform.. yeah.. it did. You could see it in her skating. Michelle also cracked.. but she really didn't have the technical jumps like Tara or Sarah 4 yrs later. Her training was off or was it more ego skating for her.. like "I won so many already i just have to skate and they will give it to me" attitude.
they gave the gold to the rightful skaters in the end technically and artistically.
@@bannockmuncher I agree with you. The gold medal winners were correct at both games. Did Irina deserve silver? No but it had to happen for Sarah to win gold.
@@dbulc5171 They underscored Sasha on the artistic impression as well, she also tried a 3Lz - 3T combination which was more difficult than Michelle's. Yes she fell on that, but Michelle's fall was on a solo triple flip, and she 2 footed her first 3T on that 3T - 2T combination
Для таких как сара максимум это попасть в тройку, но ни как не победа! Это доказал ЧМ через месяц после олимпиады 6 место, это ее заслуженное место, на большее она не тянет. А получила золото потому, что ОИ в америке и другие американки провалились! Такая же Л. Ашрам максимум золото чемпионате европы, но зато золото на ОИ. КАКОЙ ВЫВОД? ЦЕЛЬ ДАННЫХ СОРЕВНОВАНИЙ НИ КТО СИЛЬНЕЙ, А ВСЕ РАВНО КТО, ГЛАВНОЕ ВЫШЕ РУССКИХ. Только почему то ни до и ни после ОИ НИКОГДА НЕ ПОВТОРЯЮТ ДА ЖЕ БЛИЗКО ТЕ РЕЗУЛЬТАТА, ЧТО НА ОЛИМПЕАДЕ. А русские девочки продолжают выступать, так же выигрывать золотые медали, хоть и без золотых медале ОИ!
My god she was stunning. Her jumps are absolute perfection.
The middle of the jump/height yes, but her landings are sloppy and no flow. Choreography was awful
Sarah 1st, Sasha 2nd, 3rd is a toss up. If anyone got robbed here, it was Sasha.
seriously?? with THAT visible of a fall in her long program? (or maybe it was a a very visible hand down on the ice? read: mandatory deduction)
@@Parker528 Yes even with the fall. So are you saying this mess of a performance deserved the silver?
@@dbulc5171 No I'm not. Actually id give this 3rd. But I can't put Sasha in the top three. And it's impossible to leave Sarah out as well as Michelle out of the top three because one won the short program and one won the long program. So yeah I see its definitely subjective and a matter therefore for interpretation, But I can't see how it's valid in giving Irina anything below bronze.
@@Parker528 Exactly...if this was 3rd then Sasha would have to be 2nd. Michelle couldn't be 2nd in the free because then she would win the gold and that wouldn't be fair to Sarah.
@@dbulc5171 gotcha. Thanks for that breakdown. (Not so great it understanding ordinals and how they work But that's for another time! Thank you)
Srah Hughes ,yes ok but she skates left hand and cross so much the free leg in jumps dont like her technique but she wons nodaways last word made up by judges
Вот она настоящая чемпионка! А вообще,Кван возможно заслуживала больше всех, но сама упустила шанс, любезно уступив Слуцкой.
Чей кюр лучше Сары или Ирины можно спорить, Сара отлично исполнило программу, Но Германия поставило Ирину на 3 место, а Италия на 4. Мне даже интересно каких трех спортсменок итальянский судья поставил выше Ирины.
И Вы не поняли каких выше? Трех американок конечно.
Choreography not naturel ..like robot ..michelle so artistique ...
This is another one, where the presentation score is so OFF you just know something fudgey is happening with the judging. (1998 was another example). NO WAY this should have earned 5.9s in presentation, it was a hot mess..Cohen and Kwan were both superior. Not even a nationalistic viewpoint as I thought Hughes was also worse than both artistically and even her technical scores for all the triples don't hold up over time (seeing how UR, wrong edge, etc).
tara's 1998 performance would have beet this program easily. and i am not a fan of tara.
Tara's Disney Cartoon program was totally overrated.....Tara skated like a happy puppy running in the park.
@@TT-ee4qpAnd now they all skate like that. It's painful to watch anymore.
Wait if Michelle would win if Irina didn’t beat her then if Irina didn’t beat her then where does Sarah finish?
Here's how the SP and FS were scored.
Hughes (4th) 2.0 (1st) 1.0 = 3.0 (wins tie for having best long program)
Slutskaya (2nd) 1.0 (2nd) 2.0 = 3.0
Kwan (1st) 0.5 (3rd) 3.0 = 3.5
If Irina had come in 3rd in the long...
Hughes 2.0 + 1.0 = 3.0 (silver)
Kwan 0.5 + 2.0 = 2.5 (gold)
Slutskaya 1.0 + 3.0 = 4 (bronze)
If Irina had won the long:
Hughes 2.0 + 2.0 = 4 (bronze)
Slutskaya 1.0 + 1.0 = 2 (gold)
Kwan .05 + 3.0 = 3.5 (silver)
If Irina had come in 4th in the long:
Hughes 2.0 + 1.0 = 3 (silver)
Kwan .05 + 2.0 = 2.5 (gold)
Slutskaya 1.0 + 4 (bronze)
Cohen 2.0 + 3.0 = 5
So the ONLY way for Sarah to win was for Irina to come in second in the long.
If michelle had been second in the long program, which i truly think is where she should have been, Then she would've won gold. In the old rules, if the winner of short program is second in LP only to the 4th place sp placer, then she still would've won.
Imo, it should've been, kwan 1st, hughes 2nd, 3rd Slutskya.
2nd
Какая Ирочка прекрасная! Наша первая ласточка!
Первая ласточка Мария Бутырская, первая российская чемпионка мира, трехкратная чемионка Европы, шестикратная ЧР.
She should be the 1st place in short program. SP:1, FP:2 total gold
Irina was much better than Tara Lipinski.
▪︎Michelle deserved the Olympics gold if she skated as usual. ( Her artistry still the best )
▪︎Irina should be the winner ...
▪︎Sarah was lucky to be the winner....
T T = Michelle Kwan, still bitter after choking at 2 Olympics after all these years. MAGAs just don't know that they are always going to be losers. She is the Kari Fox of figure skating :D
@@NetPlay525 Tara Lipinski was one of the Olympics winner that didn't really deserve to be. 🤣
▪︎Tara's artistry was far from Michelle's. Tara skated like a happy puppy running in the park, she should go to the kid's Olympics with her Disney Cartoon program.
▪︎Tara's technique wouldn't get marks today.
Tara's flip and lutz would be called out for under rotation.
Tara's triples were cheap. Tiny, rushed jumps.
@@NetPlay525
▪︎ Overall, Michelle was robbed at the 98 Olympics .😎
▪︎And Tara Lipinski didn't good enough to join the 2002 Olympics which means Michelle, Irina and Sarah were better than Tara. 😙😙😙
@@NetPlay525
▪︎Sarah Hughes was lucky to win because the other better skaters like Michelle and Irina made mistakes.
▪︎Sarah Hughes was a middle skater who never won any World champion or the National titles. 😙
▪︎The 2002 Olympics lucky winner Sarah Hughes placed 6th at the 2003 World championship which she really belonged. 🤭
@@TT-ee4qp Sarah's win was well deserved. And she was injured in 2003 at worlds. Illa Kulik won no world championships either.
What was with all the ugly bowl hair cuts this year? Lol
They were still trying to look like Dorothy Hamill back then, they thought it emphasized maturity and poise
Actually I had that hair cut in 1981 during elementary school graduation.
just not great music to skate to.
I like Michelle Kwan’s performance at Nationals in 2004 to the same music.
@@corawaller-jacobs8007 Michelle's 2004 LP " Tosca " is a piece of work.
вот это да! какая там Загитова?
Да уж, в сравнении с Загитовой Ирочка просто штангист.
Заготовка шикарна, первая достойная олимпийская чемпионка России
@@user-hr5hq7nz5f Медведева должна была выигрывать, первая достойная поэтому Щербакова
@@alyoshaman Щербакова с полным отсутствием скольжения, флутцом, неправильной техникой прыжков, преротейшенами и разъезжанием на полкатка на вращениях? Ой насмешили
The ending…she was trying too hard to be artistic and dramatic. It didn’t work
Ну вы попробуйте сами попасть хоть в один такт этой непростой музыки, тогда и посмотрим, кто из вас лучше и музыкальнее
If only you understood what angry Irina is saying here. Disgusting!
What did she say?
The worst skaters (Slutskaya , Bonaly) always complained the most. Michelle handled this with her usual grace and class. Something Slutskaya should have learned
Hope she called herself garbage
Sasha Cohen was robbed!!!
Sasha Cohen fell several times. You must really hate Sara Hughes who was a class A competitor.
@Novak D Sasha Cohen fell but the quality of her skating was superior. Especially since Slutskaya and Kwan made many mistakes as well, Sasha Cohen should have won the Silver medal. How the Fck did Slutskaya and Kwan have higher marks in both technical and artistic scores compared to Sasha Cohen?! Even in the short program, Sasha Cohen should’ve been in 1st place.
Yes, Sasha was robbed. She was better than Kwan or Slutskaya.
@C Truth To be fair, Sasha only fell once, and the rest of her program was superior to Kwan and Slutskaya - but definitely not better than Sarah. Sarah crushed it!!!!
Since 2002 I do not watch figure skating any more! For this performance some of the judges gave her third and even fourth place!!! SHAME ON THEM!
I'm not a certified judge by any means but I would have put Cohen and Kwan ahead of her. Her strength is supposed to be technical Merit... she needed to be clean and she made mistakes. If you look at what she did cleanly she's really not that far ahead of Sasha and Michelle. It was also a very slow performance. Artistically it was not as good as either of them.
@@mikeg4576 It is not only this performance ! Judges were unfair on so many occasions that their judging makes me sick! And please do not tell me that in sports not only figure skating the winner is always the best contestant! cheaters, cheaters, cheaters everywhere!
@@jankowal4655 I think you totally missed what I was saying
She made mistakes, she skated slower than usual and was sloppy. Most judges would prefer a clean technical program or a beautifully artistic program. Irina normally had a fantastic technical program but she didn't show it here tonight. I love Irina, but she was not clean here AND she did not have the technical content (which she normally would have had if you've been keeping up with her skating over the years) AND she was arguably the least artistic of the four on this night. She favored technical as usual but she didn't have the clean technical program she needed to win.
Сволочи! Нашу Ирочку засудили!
Не засудили. По количеству и ценности прыжком она проиграла. У Хьюз 2 каскада 3:3, а у Иры - ноль.
@@hogen7361 Хьюз 4 в короткой, а Слуцкая 1. На бронзу Хьюз могла рассчитывать, но не на золото.