So then was Ground Zeros an exaggerated recreation of the real Mother Base attack, made in tribute to Big Boss when he died (released in the same year his files were declassified) and The Phantom Pain an attempt of the developers of the other simulations to honour Venom Snake and tell his story, which was largely forgotten by the world?
To date, you're the only commenter who actually understood the video. That's something I'll have to address in a follow-up video, because it ties into the existence of the non-canon games within the Metal Gear universe.
To piggyback on your idea of the PS/Xbox existing in the Metal Gear universe: The original PlayStation is in Otacon’s office in the first MGS. It’s replaced by a GameCube in TTS.
It's not actually a PlayStation in the original game, it looks more like one of those Chinese knock-off consoles. It could be some kind of PS1 devkit. Or maybe that's just how the original PlayStation looks in the MG universe. TTS has an actual GameCube, though, as evidenced by the main menu showing up on the screen next to the console.
I always thought that MGS2 was intended to be a VR simulation when it was released, but that MGS4 retconned this as a sort of copout to avoid a bigger copout of just ignoring everything about MGS2. That said, this honestly makes more sense than that explanation.
I personally have a head canon that Twin Snakes is a Simulation and maybe it's even Raiden Playing it. That would explain the Why the Action In that game is Really over the top compared to the original PS1 game. It's so over the top Action is to feed in to the users Power fantasy and Ego. Making them feel like this 1 against a thousand. Against all odds, Super soldier War hero like Snake. To motivate and train soldiers. thats is also why it plays like MGS 2. It's either based off Or running on the Same VR technology as The triple S plan. And that may be why the audio feels worse in Twin Snakes. It's an acted Re creation not the real deal. In summary in my personal head canon the Original PS1 game is the real event of the Shadow Moses incident and Twin snakes is an elaborate re creation to Train soldiers to be like snake While giving them a Power fantasy of being Snake.
It's an interesting idea, but Twin Snakes is acknowledged in MGS4's flashbacks when Snake goes back to Shadow Moses. Since Snake has memories of both the original MGS1 and the remake, at best you could say Twin Snakes is Snake misremembering or exaggerating details. Raiden did play a simulation of MGS1, though: MGS1. And VR missions. Twin Snakes was released in 2004, so he also might've had a chance to play that before the Big Shell incident.
I only found your channel yesterday, but damn I love these MGS videos. A lot of information that I never even considered and I've been playing these games for 20 years! Keep it up dood.
Something that always amazed me about MGS ON PS1 was the ability to go from a near endgame area Rex's lair all the way back to the heliport in a (linear )open world similar also to Snake eater.
But at the end of the fight against Major Ocelot in MGS3, Snake fell through a hole because of The Pain's wasps, thus blocking off areas like Rassvet, the swamp and the Helipad.
@@AfterlifeGames Open world aren't actually that specific unless people already know what that terminology specifically means. Games like Bandicoot is pretty locked, you can only move forward in a corridor. But MGS1 never were that linear, it's pretty open compared to most games at that time, though it's not a open world as we understand it, it's still pretty "open" and same with MG2 and MG3, but MG4 was pretty much locked down, it was only one way, through one corridor with many of optional corridor which leaded to bottlenecked parts for the story to continue. In a way, MGS1 was a lot more innovative in term of level design then credited with.
When I enlisted in 2003, my recruiter gave me a copy of America's army. Went through basic, ait and jump school. Reported to division and finally decided to try the game. I had just graduated jump school, but I couldn't pass the digital jump school.
Loved this video but you should do one about how in the real world the U.S. military secretly uses the video game industry to gather information on how to train soldiers, indoctrinate youths, and more
@@AfterlifeGames always Man As long as I breathe metal gear will be with me thank you for you all of your amazing content I look forward to the future!!!!!
uhh.. doesnt this completely contradict your theory about big boss being actually a hero and not evil because we only ever see him do heroic things in the games? the games which you are saying are all handcrafted simulations? unless you mean ocelot wanted big boss to look like a hero? so then its unreliable narrator at this point.. if the point you make in the other video is that we are supposed to think for ourselves and not believe what others say about big boss being evil because we never see it for ourselves, well if all the games are just games then we really see none of it for ourselves, its all meaningless
I watched this right after your video about metal gear's anti war message. The thesis of that video seems to be something like "metal gear pretends to have an anti-war message, but because it's really fun to shoot a guy in the dick in that game, it's not actually anti-war". This video mentions how the series also has a message against playing too many video games, but it doesn't seem to apply the same principle to that message as the anti-war one. By your own logic, because the metal gear games are just fun to play in general, doesn't that mean their message against vr sims and in favor of thinking for yourself is invalidated?
Have you looked about the two companies that are making these perfect soldiers. One of the companies is called Saintlogic, the other one I don't remember. But they are mentioned in MG Acid and referenced many times in the canon. I believe one company is making soldiers in the image of BB and the other company is making a Cyborg ninja version of BB.
But wait, if these simulations existed in the world of mgs before they events actually took place, wouldn't it mean that all characters should know what's going to happen, making it actually inconsequential? It would only make sense if only a certain group had acces to it instead of it being public.
@@AfterlifeGames I'm already 1:40 hours past my bed time so I probably closed my eyes at that part lol But still, if the games had been made public and all the characters had already seen those events, we would need to assume that either characters like liquid or DARPA chief already knew they would die but didn't do anything significant to prevent it, that no game is actually canonicall for the others(which I would be inclined to believe for MGS 1 and 2) or that whoever made the simulation for the original one deiced to keep making simulations without taking into account the changes that those simulations would bring with them... Making them just... Games... Oh... Maybe I should go to sleep instead of thinking so much about games being just games...
No way I'm going to believe this. If all games are virtual training exercises, that would to a high degree invalidate the entire franchise. Also, what does the release years have to do with anything? It could be that the games was released different years in the world of the narrative. Would make more sense if for example Raiden played a simulation of The Shadow Moses Incident After it happened.
@@AfterlifeGames I remember you said that. But I mean you rarely play test that many years before release. It's possible, but not likely. Anyway, I'm not going to believe in a theory that has no evidence. Theories like that are merely speculation.
But if it only shows the event relevant to the simulation and only give the necessary information to the player how could we know that the creators of the simulation didn't alter or redacted details from the actual events
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So then was Ground Zeros an exaggerated recreation of the real Mother Base attack, made in tribute to Big Boss when he died (released in the same year his files were declassified) and The Phantom Pain an attempt of the developers of the other simulations to honour Venom Snake and tell his story, which was largely forgotten by the world?
To date, you're the only commenter who actually understood the video. That's something I'll have to address in a follow-up video, because it ties into the existence of the non-canon games within the Metal Gear universe.
To piggyback on your idea of the PS/Xbox existing in the Metal Gear universe: The original PlayStation is in Otacon’s office in the first MGS. It’s replaced by a GameCube in TTS.
It's not actually a PlayStation in the original game, it looks more like one of those Chinese knock-off consoles. It could be some kind of PS1 devkit. Or maybe that's just how the original PlayStation looks in the MG universe.
TTS has an actual GameCube, though, as evidenced by the main menu showing up on the screen next to the console.
I always thought that MGS2 was intended to be a VR simulation when it was released, but that MGS4 retconned this as a sort of copout to avoid a bigger copout of just ignoring everything about MGS2. That said, this honestly makes more sense than that explanation.
Your channel is very informative and interesting. I like how you blended these ideas with accuracy and valid points.
Appreciated!
I personally have a head canon that Twin Snakes is a Simulation and maybe it's even Raiden Playing it. That would explain the Why the Action In that game is Really over the top compared to the original PS1 game. It's so over the top Action is to feed in to the users Power fantasy and Ego. Making them feel like this 1 against a thousand. Against all odds, Super soldier War hero like Snake. To motivate and train soldiers. thats is also why it plays like MGS 2. It's either based off Or running on the Same VR technology as The triple S plan. And that may be why the audio feels worse in Twin Snakes. It's an acted Re creation not the real deal.
In summary in my personal head canon the Original PS1 game is the real event of the Shadow Moses incident and Twin snakes is an elaborate re creation to Train soldiers to be like snake While giving them a Power fantasy of being Snake.
It's an interesting idea, but Twin Snakes is acknowledged in MGS4's flashbacks when Snake goes back to Shadow Moses. Since Snake has memories of both the original MGS1 and the remake, at best you could say Twin Snakes is Snake misremembering or exaggerating details.
Raiden did play a simulation of MGS1, though: MGS1. And VR missions. Twin Snakes was released in 2004, so he also might've had a chance to play that before the Big Shell incident.
Best explanation I’ve heard for it is that twin snakes is the in-universe action movie based on the events of MGS 1 leaked by Naomi Hunter
I only found your channel yesterday, but damn I love these MGS videos. A lot of information that I never even considered and I've been playing these games for 20 years! Keep it up dood.
Something that always amazed me about MGS ON PS1
was the ability to go from a near endgame area Rex's lair all the way back to the heliport in a (linear )open world similar also to Snake eater.
Careful throwing around terms like "linear" and "open world." You might confuse somebody.
But at the end of the fight against Major Ocelot in MGS3, Snake fell through a hole because of The Pain's wasps, thus blocking off areas like Rassvet, the swamp and the Helipad.
@@AfterlifeGames Open world aren't actually that specific unless people already know what that terminology specifically means. Games like Bandicoot is pretty locked, you can only move forward in a corridor. But MGS1 never were that linear, it's pretty open compared to most games at that time, though it's not a open world as we understand it, it's still pretty "open" and same with MG2 and MG3, but MG4 was pretty much locked down, it was only one way, through one corridor with many of optional corridor which leaded to bottlenecked parts for the story to continue. In a way, MGS1 was a lot more innovative in term of level design then credited with.
When I enlisted in 2003, my recruiter gave me a copy of America's army. Went through basic, ait and jump school. Reported to division and finally decided to try the game. I had just graduated jump school, but I couldn't pass the digital jump school.
Loved this video but you should do one about how in the real world the U.S. military secretly uses the video game industry to gather information on how to train soldiers, indoctrinate youths, and more
No, thanks.
@@AfterlifeGames👀
If they are all vr games meant to train to soldiers, then what was Metal Gear Rising training people for?
If we ever get a Rising 2, maybe we'll find out.
To be awesome cool dudes
To be gray fox.
I will keep saying and saying it and saying it
Dead vector and MGS my favorite shit on RUclips
Keep it up my good man nobody else does it like you
Been waiting for this comment!
@@AfterlifeGames always Man
As long as I breathe
metal gear will be with me
thank you for you all of your amazing content I look forward to the future!!!!!
OMG where was this channel all my life?
This is some 5 head shit awesome video
What does that even mean?
@@AfterlifeGames really smart 😂
5th dimension
That Lightning Bolt point lol!
Whenever I'm putting these jokes together, I always wonder which one you're gonna react to, and it's always the one I least expect!
Also the cell processor joke, gotta love those off mic yells
uhh.. doesnt this completely contradict your theory about big boss being actually a hero and not evil because we only ever see him do heroic things in the games? the games which you are saying are all handcrafted simulations?
unless you mean ocelot wanted big boss to look like a hero?
so then its unreliable narrator at this point.. if the point you make in the other video is that we are supposed to think for ourselves and not believe what others say about big boss being evil because we never see it for ourselves, well if all the games are just games then we really see none of it for ourselves, its all meaningless
Finally, somebody who gets it.
That was a trip!
The takes you have; sublime. Thanks for the time and effort you put into these brother, they're incredible!
Thanks, Crusty!
Banging video, keep em coming, boss!
I'm on it!
Great video
I was the 1000th like! LFG!
I watched this right after your video about metal gear's anti war message. The thesis of that video seems to be something like "metal gear pretends to have an anti-war message, but because it's really fun to shoot a guy in the dick in that game, it's not actually anti-war". This video mentions how the series also has a message against playing too many video games, but it doesn't seem to apply the same principle to that message as the anti-war one. By your own logic, because the metal gear games are just fun to play in general, doesn't that mean their message against vr sims and in favor of thinking for yourself is invalidated?
Makes sense!
Great MGS content
Thanks.
Final Gear V the paradise pain
An Tactical role playing game
Have you looked about the two companies that are making these perfect soldiers. One of the companies is called Saintlogic, the other one I don't remember. But they are mentioned in MG Acid and referenced many times in the canon. I believe one company is making soldiers in the image of BB and the other company is making a Cyborg ninja version of BB.
The Max Payne reference! ❤
man I shouldve become a secret agent, didnt know what skills I aquired from that disc from a flee market 20 years ago :l
So we as players are diagetic in a sense, and those fourth wall breaks aren’t even fourth wall breaks, because there never was a fourth wall
I'm so mad about this theory making so much sense.
Good video.
But wait, if these simulations existed in the world of mgs before they events actually took place, wouldn't it mean that all characters should know what's going to happen, making it actually inconsequential? It would only make sense if only a certain group had acces to it instead of it being public.
@@Poruasecas In fact, that's exactly what I said in the video.
@@AfterlifeGames I'm already 1:40 hours past my bed time so I probably closed my eyes at that part lol
But still, if the games had been made public and all the characters had already seen those events, we would need to assume that either characters like liquid or DARPA chief already knew they would die but didn't do anything significant to prevent it, that no game is actually canonicall for the others(which I would be inclined to believe for MGS 1 and 2) or that whoever made the simulation for the original one deiced to keep making simulations without taking into account the changes that those simulations would bring with them... Making them just... Games... Oh...
Maybe I should go to sleep instead of thinking so much about games being just games...
@@Poruasecas Make sure to finish the video when you wake up. You missed a lot.
I'm so confused...
awesome video!
Thanks!
*yawn*
Naw
i never knew the level up thing was removed from the gamecube version
Because you never played the GameCube version.
Yet another reason I'm mad my dad traded-in Bulletstorm before I could finish it
Child abuse!
@@AfterlifeGames I've never recovered, and likely never will. A loss of which I will never be able to fill the hole left behind...
Well uhhhh,
No way I'm going to believe this. If all games are virtual training exercises, that would to a high degree invalidate the entire franchise.
Also, what does the release years have to do with anything? It could be that the games was released different years in the world of the narrative. Would make more sense if for example Raiden played a simulation of The Shadow Moses Incident After it happened.
And he did. But somebody had to playtest it before it was ready, didn't they?
@@AfterlifeGames How you mean? They needed to play test many years before the events took place?
@@DanSmeed Exactly what I said in the video.
@@AfterlifeGames I remember you said that. But I mean you rarely play test that many years before release. It's possible, but not likely.
Anyway, I'm not going to believe in a theory that has no evidence. Theories like that are merely speculation.
Then the events of the games are not the real thing ? how can we know what is true?
Because the games literally tell you... as shown in the video... _multiple_ times.
But if it only shows the event relevant to the simulation and only give the necessary information to the player how could we know that the creators of the simulation didn't alter or redacted details from the actual events
@@diegotszx6693 They most certainly did alter details. We can never know the full story. But that's common in classified operations.
It seems like ocelot wanted to fight the system from the beginning
Dude you need way more subs idk how you don’t have them but all good things get their due eventually you will see your outer heaven come true
How many more?
Metal gear fantasy
I really hope they make a vr metal gear.
If leaks are trustworthy a vr/non vr remake of mgs1 is in the works
Who knew war could be so fun?
Probably adrenaline junkies or cod players.