I've noticed a lot of his designs are super sensitive on the steering in past race videos he's done, (got a bunch recommended to me today). That works provided you have the reactions and the grip, and he just didn't have the grip he needed here.
@@dragong33k that along with zero drag glitch, and ufo thrusters (aka infinite speed and mega acceleration) is really just an unbeatable combo which is why that one guy has 35 seconds lmao
Yeah that number one car when you started the race every time, was staying perfectly in the middle of the road through the couple turns you can see. It’s clearly doing something to stick directly in the middle of the course at max speed with the logic
yeah probably, and scrapman has a point with "i dont think trailmakers physics is that consistent that you can do it" but then again if its inconsistent you just gotta run the program aka "car" over and over again untill the stars align
I build a formula car too,I actually noticed you can Camber the rear tires and it helps tons with the oversteer. I settled on 5.5 degree Camber in the rear and it was pretty balanced.
I used steering hinges on the back wheels, then set speed sensors to steer in the opposite direction if there is drift. My car basically never overseers now. I think I'm in 18th with an "aesthetic" build.
I joined the discord to talk logic blocks with some people, and ran into some of the leaderboard guys, Alvaroping for example is a logic person and a great racer. The bionic contraptions they showed are insane!
Hey Scrap! Another youtuber called Blitz started playing Trailmakers. We'd like if you two have some videos together, like: "Noob vs pro" or "Who can make the best build" kind of videos.
That's amazing! out of curiosity, did ScrapMan correctly explain how you did your turning? And my guess is the number logic is the acceleration thing that's used for thruster-like parts?
You don't need to program the turns, you just need to program it to not hit the walls. if you it make it follow the right walls it will be fine. I was eyeing that the entire time and decided to comment when you looked at the others. I always think about this when i watch these videos especially with the space ones, programming a vehicle to turn and hit everything with precision.
The large jet engine isn't in line with the center of mass on the F1 car. This is forcing the front into the ground and the rear to be lifted slightly. This causes the front to turn in super quicky while the rear has very little grip to keep itself in line, meaning the rear kicks outward into a spin.
23:43 Yes it is, enough. It's still consistent when it's inconsistent. What you can do is use the delay feature that ever logic block has and hold down backspace so you consistently start at the same spot facing the same direction.
"Scrapman builds elongated vehicle made almost entirely for speed, that mostly lacks stability, then learns the course until he succeeds". I'm not saying that it's easy to do these races, but it's generally 'Speed Stick' and 'Glitch Racers' at the top of the boards.
@@swamperino8450-- Thrusters requiring area clear behind for thrust might be a start. The turbofans and propellers could need area in front for intake too. Then the big advantage of engines would be that they can be stacked behind just a few aerodynamic blocks, while thrusters need rear area, and air thrusters need front area too. That might just be the Deepwater Guard in me speaking though!
Hi Scrap Just wanna say i have been a subscriber for many years, and i can only admit that you are a big part of my daily life, I watch every episode you upload almost within a hour every time. Not that it matters at all, I’m sure you have many followers like that. However, i would like to ask if you could make a video talking a bit to us, about your plans, visions wishes, and generally an update. Not that it need to be too personal or anything, but i think we are a bunch whom would like to know you better. Just a wish from a long term fan :) Have a great day Best wishes from Denmark
That penultimate run had me on the edge of my seat crying out "NOOO" along with you. Such a good video, and as always hat tip to your editor who did just a sterling job.
Can you actually program a vehicle to do the race by it self?? Maybe thats a good video idea no? I'd love to see scrapman trying to make one of these 😁😁
15:40 i think a possible solution for the ridge may have been to have a more rounded shape at the center instead of the box the wheels are attached to, maybe a slope there instead of the corner to make it have less of a chance to clip that edge. (btw i have typed this right as i thought of it so if Scrapman did end up doing it then my bad) edit: visual example, imagine the vehicle longways, [___] (box shape) => \___/ (slopes on the corners) Looking at the vehicle from dead on or longways would make it still look like a rectangle however from the side the slopes would be visible. I also do realize this might affect the aerodynamics of the build. I do like the much simpler move of making the wheels jut out more.
I think the sensor on #3 was to always keep engines on low power so that if the engine is off it doesn't have to build up speed again, otherwise, I think Scrapman could have added logic to turning to just have a less than full power turn for the light turns.
I'm watching Ulysses 31 again and then my intrusive thoughts kick in and say that I would suggest scrapman to do the odysseyus in Trailmaker space ^^ Love your video like always ^^
There’s a lot more skill requirements for this race so if you can build a decent vehicle you can get pretty high on the leaderboard off of just skill. I was able to get to 35th place in the jet league off of just wheel power. No rockets or jet engines.
Watching this vid made me remember the first time I ran into nurb. in a racing game . Trying to remember every turn and every bump that would send you flying off track .
For the Fins for controlability you can slow down the speed of the fins, so you can still go sharp, but at I speed you can juste tap the input for more precise input
this made me think of when i used to play a lot of gran turismo!! i bet a lot of high ranking folks had relatively low speed builds so as to not sacrifice control. interesting stuff
Here is a suggestion that I normally use for these, add a logic block that goes to your steering but have the output power set to 0.5 so you have an even finer control available, then its a case of learning which corners need which keys to turn them perfectly.
I got Trailmakers FIRST on the Playstation4 and wanted more controls, so I got it on the computer, but now I use a controller on the computer when playing vehicle games because steering (and engine controls) is way better when it's not all or nothing. Zeepkist does steering really well, having gradual changes.
Here's an idea for adjustable steering: Do it like Trackmania's Action Keys, have some logic set up so when you hold down a specific key, your normal input is removed and a logic gate outputs a value smaller than 1 into the gyroscopes
My mom used to always tell me to go really really fast and steady instead of blisteringly supersonicly fast and wild during school races. It brought a tear to my eye to hear Scrapman say the same thing around 15:00 🥹
What about doing an evolution race? Ideas: (All ideas in this comment are for multiplayer) (This track) Evolution motorcycle race Evolution normal race EMP Battle race (idea: with motorcycles / any of the other vehicles in this comment) Hoverbike / Hovercraft? Different track: Self-driving car / self-flying plane (Im not sure if this will work, I don't have trailmakers... yet, your videos are convincing me) Idk I just want to see a weird race on this track in multiplayer mayby bring battlebots back? I'm curious what spinning things will do to 1.9 physics
That was cool to watch but, I think you should try using a true car, with 4 wheels, only engines, without glitching, just to see what is your best time with your best true car creation! Regards from Brazil!
Getting a gamepad will seriously help out with some of those more gradual turns. You sacrifice snap steer of course, but you have better overall controllability
Challenge: each make heavy bomber and a ship (not small) and make your bombs from WEIGHT blocks. 2 bombers vs 1 ship Bombers goal is to drop the weight blocks onto the ship to make it sink (because of big weight) (or just crash it) Ship goal is to survive as much time as you can Ship cant have more speed then the bomber Ship cant have submarine cabin Bomber cant have more then 2 bombs
I would LOVE to see ScrapMan trying doing good on races in lower leagues, in muscle, go-cart or even bionic leagues. I think that could be entertaining!
You could use 2 Logik gates or so, to set 2 different turning angles, so you can have a steering input for 20° and the other 40° or so. This would help a lot with the different sharp curves.
I think it could be fun to have a multiplayer challenge on this course build the best vehicle you can in Formula league, no glitches, must have at least 4 wheels on the ground, and at least half of your powercores have to be engines (basically to encourage more car-like designs)
having a lot of people racing on this course would be fun scrapman should bring back some of the old crew and just have everyone on the course at the same time
The first place guy might be doing something similar to trackmania action keys. The number of steering gyros would be explained by him having different steering modes for different turns, optimized to turn at the perfect rate to maintain as much speed as possible through the turns
Man you have to try to build something like this!!! 23:38 if someone can do it its you!! you can start with something that will just drive without hitting the borders as first video then second video is fine-tuning and trying to make it finish in least time
The thing I dislike about building driving vehicles in Trailmakers is that you really don't have any ability to tune braking force, (and there's no handbrake functionally at all,) which is like, an enormous part of the normal design consideration for something like a grand prix racer. If you want to decelerate extra quickly you basically have to build it like a spaceship and put thrusters on the front. You'd think they would have addressed this for a motorsport-themed DLC package. Edit: I also love how Scrapman built a car that's a mile long and has no suspension or braking and then he keeps complaining about crashing on the curb while going around corners. Like, the car is designed as though that is its entire purpose. Lol, I also like how there's just no one in second place at 23:00
the inconsistency of the high speed random turn i think was your tailfin hinge with 0.00 setting on the steering help. at high speed it was going full speed, instead of less aggressive angle.
When you are having trouble doing gradual turns, you should use logic to minimize your turning on demand. Then you could use normal WASD for driving and hold some other key to get gentile steering.
I’d suggest like camera following steering, so you steer with your mouse for something like this. The mouse gives smoother imputs while still allowing fast snappy turns
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2:23 you saying this just before you're driving under a sign saying "IF IT AIN'T BROKE YOU DIDN'T DRIVE FAST ENOUGH" is gold
14:56 there i am!!!, racing the Scrapman finaly
16:28 i was also the "other person" he saw with wheels that drove over the thingies
Nice
@@toniellis6260 so sad, i was in the top ten but he made the vid before i was there
wich color is your color on your car?
@@Speedpilot11I can’t even be in the vids because I’m on Xbox, I’m top 10 in half the races and top 1% on the other half, except hover craft
"It functions better if I'm not bouncing" scrapman experiencing real F1 problems😅
I've noticed a lot of his designs are super sensitive on the steering in past race videos he's done, (got a bunch recommended to me today). That works provided you have the reactions and the grip, and he just didn't have the grip he needed here.
Other players: *glitched car with high downforce zooming through turns*
Scrapman: *thruster stick go brrrrrr*
True lol
does glich downforce go brrrrrr as much tho?
@@dragong33k They are very popular if anything....
@@dragong33k that along with zero drag glitch, and ufo thrusters (aka infinite speed and mega acceleration) is really just an unbeatable combo which is why that one guy has 35 seconds lmao
20:37 "not allowned any comentary unless something crazy happens" proceeds to take off towards the sun🤣🤣🤣
Yeah that number one car when you started the race every time, was staying perfectly in the middle of the road through the couple turns you can see. It’s clearly doing something to stick directly in the middle of the course at max speed with the logic
yeah probably, and scrapman has a point with "i dont think trailmakers physics is that consistent that you can do it" but then again if its inconsistent you just gotta run the program aka "car" over and over again untill the stars align
22:10 the jumpscare lol
We got gnomed lol
I'm gnot a gnelf
I'm gnot a gnoblin
I'm a gnome
and you've been
GNOMEEEEEEEEEEEEED
I build a formula car too,I actually noticed you can Camber the rear tires and it helps tons with the oversteer. I settled on 5.5 degree Camber in the rear and it was pretty balanced.
I used steering hinges on the back wheels, then set speed sensors to steer in the opposite direction if there is drift. My car basically never overseers now. I think I'm in 18th with an "aesthetic" build.
the front spoiler is what causes it for me on the new course. I havent tried that before, ill check it out.
Camber in or out?
13:00 felt like watching someone driving an IRL Formula One car 😂
24:41 FACE OF CONCENTRATION 🗿
29:06 *NOOOOOO*
"NOOOOOO"
That run was so clean too, butter smooth right up until the crash.
something you could consider: have MULTIPLE teering controls, a separate button for fast turns and slow turns
Like Trackmania Steering
This might be what the logic bit are on other vehicles
@@PhilCoati-- Ooo, they could have pre-programed steering angles! Press 2 for the exact angle for that last shallow corner.
SM-"not a lot of commentary until something crazy happens."
*something crazy happens*
SM-"dang it!"
I joined the discord to talk logic blocks with some people, and ran into some of the leaderboard guys, Alvaroping for example is a logic person and a great racer.
The bionic contraptions they showed are insane!
Hey Scrap!
Another youtuber called Blitz started playing Trailmakers.
We'd like if you two have some videos together, like: "Noob vs pro" or "Who can make the best build" kind of videos.
Agreed blitz was my favorite like a year or two ago
Why not real civil engineer maybe
@@Franc12345why not both also does every scrap viewer watch the same people yall are reading my mid
Why not have scrapman, blitz and civil engineer do a noob vs pro vs expert
@@Kobyplayzgamez yeah
HUGE props to the editor on the music choices! I LOVED how they fit into the video, and they're just really good!
31:01 yes sir glitchless
That's amazing! out of curiosity, did ScrapMan correctly explain how you did your turning? And my guess is the number logic is the acceleration thing that's used for thruster-like parts?
Based, nice build. I'm assuming the whole front end does turn based on how TM does its welding for connected blocks?
You don't need to program the turns, you just need to program it to not hit the walls. if you it make it follow the right walls it will be fine. I was eyeing that the entire time and decided to comment when you looked at the others.
I always think about this when i watch these videos especially with the space ones, programming a vehicle to turn and hit everything with precision.
The large jet engine isn't in line with the center of mass on the F1 car. This is forcing the front into the ground and the rear to be lifted slightly. This causes the front to turn in super quicky while the rear has very little grip to keep itself in line, meaning the rear kicks outward into a spin.
Tip: use the chrome bumper instead of the connection peices because they have no aerodynamics but good connection points
23:43 Yes it is, enough. It's still consistent when it's inconsistent.
What you can do is use the delay feature that ever logic block has and hold down backspace so you consistently start at the same spot facing the same direction.
"Scrapman builds elongated vehicle made almost entirely for speed, that mostly lacks stability, then learns the course until he succeeds".
I'm not saying that it's easy to do these races, but it's generally 'Speed Stick' and 'Glitch Racers' at the top of the boards.
Yeah, i wish theyd make a separate league for no thrusters
Thrusters and engines need to be reworked so engines are more effective on land
@@swamperino8450Yeah, the engines are very weak compared to thrusters, an engine is faster in the first second.
@@swamperino8450-- Thrusters requiring area clear behind for thrust might be a start. The turbofans and propellers could need area in front for intake too. Then the big advantage of engines would be that they can be stacked behind just a few aerodynamic blocks, while thrusters need rear area, and air thrusters need front area too.
That might just be the Deepwater Guard in me speaking though!
Hi Scrap
Just wanna say i have been a subscriber for many years, and i can only admit that you are a big part of my daily life, I watch every episode you upload almost within a hour every time.
Not that it matters at all, I’m sure you have many followers like that.
However, i would like to ask if you could make a video talking a bit to us, about your plans, visions wishes, and generally an update. Not that it need to be too personal or anything, but i think we are a bunch whom would like to know you better. Just a wish from a long term fan :)
Have a great day
Best wishes from Denmark
Day 3 of asking scrapman to do a melee boat battle on high seas
Bro is first
@@bendanillo5789 Fr I got to be fast to be first
I think they should revisit all the previous melee challenges at this point. I am expecting it.
Would be awesome
Yes 👍
6:28 Scrapman revealed to be drift king
10:10 The transition is perfect
My competing in this race was when I first learned about the explosivity of power cores, more specifically, that they are now explosive.
The fade into crashes was pretty nice for the karate kid montage.
Also the music variety for a challenge is nice over the montage sections.
3:07 If you look closely, Blitz is just one level below Scrapman
21:41 to 22:35 that concentration though, scrapman did not blink once 🤣🤣
MM scrap mechanic idea:
Snake! Build long articulating snake cars with a sensor on the front, if you drive into something/someone you are out.
12:09 ... combustss instantly out of nowhere lol
20:40 "Unless something crazy happens" immediately before flying over trees.
Challenge:
Make a build that completes a race for you with the new logic.
(Like you were speculating the #1 was doing)
Hole course is walled in
Could use distance sensor very easily
@@HurricaneLantern Bet there'd still be some challenges
22:14 hold on gotta catch that gnome 😂
Scrapman complaining about the curbs even though your not supposed to go outside the track limits is funny
Excellent choices of music by the editor
I have an idea for a future video idea: To remake the trebuchet with the new big suspension.
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That penultimate run had me on the edge of my seat crying out "NOOO" along with you. Such a good video, and as always hat tip to your editor who did just a sterling job.
editor doing top notch with the montage!
31:37 it does then the hole front section
Scrapman the goat. Watching this video makes me feel to never give up and keep trying
Can you actually program a vehicle to do the race by it self?? Maybe thats a good video idea no? I'd love to see scrapman trying to make one of these 😁😁
15:40 i think a possible solution for the ridge may have been to have a more rounded shape at the center instead of the box the wheels are attached to, maybe a slope there instead of the corner to make it have less of a chance to clip that edge. (btw i have typed this right as i thought of it so if Scrapman did end up doing it then my bad)
edit: visual example, imagine the vehicle longways, [___] (box shape) => \___/ (slopes on the corners)
Looking at the vehicle from dead on or longways would make it still look like a rectangle however from the side the slopes would be visible. I also do realize this might affect the aerodynamics of the build.
I do like the much simpler move of making the wheels jut out more.
I think that might work, but on the front end instead of the middle. I think most clipping was catching the nose instead of the middle box.
I think the sensor on #3 was to always keep engines on low power so that if the engine is off it doesn't have to build up speed again, otherwise, I think Scrapman could have added logic to turning to just have a less than full power turn for the light turns.
I'm watching Ulysses 31 again and then my intrusive thoughts kick in and say that I would suggest scrapman to do the odysseyus in Trailmaker space ^^
Love your video like always ^^
Scrapman is slowly becoming a trackmania player without ever playing trackmania
Just need an ice map for ice slides.
@@TlalocTemporalbobsleigh will go crazy
There’s a lot more skill requirements for this race so if you can build a decent vehicle you can get pretty high on the leaderboard off of just skill. I was able to get to 35th place in the jet league off of just wheel power. No rockets or jet engines.
Watching this vid made me remember the first time I ran into nurb. in a racing game . Trying to remember every turn and every bump that would send you flying off track .
28:17 bros taste is incredible
13:30
Im from Poland and for me your "that way" here sound literally like
"Dawaj" (go on) in polish 😂😂😂
For the Fins for controlability you can slow down the speed of the fins, so you can still go sharp, but at I speed you can juste tap the input for more precise input
I honestly was kinda excited when he did that first build, I wanted to see something new and not just the same build over and over.
this made me think of when i used to play a lot of gran turismo!! i bet a lot of high ranking folks had relatively low speed builds so as to not sacrifice control. interesting stuff
this dude actually gnomed us
The music🔥🔥 The turns 😎😎
That GYAT-DAMN Gnome, I swear to god...
Nice input from the editor XD
Hey Scrapman just so you know Dr. Observation is also a youtube but he is on the smaller side
Here is a suggestion that I normally use for these, add a logic block that goes to your steering but have the output power set to 0.5 so you have an even finer control available, then its a case of learning which corners need which keys to turn them perfectly.
27:18 basically evry turn xD
For moments you are going this fast and have a gradual turn, perhaps try waiting until the last moment to turn, narrowly missing the rails.
Scrapman: "This race takes skill, its not about the top speed of your vehicle."
Also Scrapman: * Builds Thruster Stick *
Hey now, that thruster stick was fully manually controlled, not even a single bit of logic. I'd say that takes a lot of skill.
@@SephirothRyu his brain was the logic 🧠
I got Trailmakers FIRST on the Playstation4 and wanted more controls, so I got it on the computer, but now I use a controller on the computer when playing vehicle games because steering (and engine controls) is way better when it's not all or nothing. Zeepkist does steering really well, having gradual changes.
Here's an idea for adjustable steering:
Do it like Trackmania's Action Keys, have some logic set up so when you hold down a specific key, your normal input is removed and a logic gate outputs a value smaller than 1 into the gyroscopes
My mom used to always tell me to go really really fast and steady instead of blisteringly supersonicly fast and wild during school races. It brought a tear to my eye to hear Scrapman say the same thing around 15:00 🥹
That first car reminds me of the initial concepts for the Speed Racer movie: Racecars with heavy emphasis on turbines & thrusters!
22:16 gnome got me
Why was there a gnome in the middle of Scrap's attempts
22:14 ScrapMan thought we wouldn't notice that
Move wheels closer to the seat, remove the gyro that stabilizes front and back by replacing it with skis infront and behind the vehicle
Was playing this race myself just the other day! :0
you should include an attempt counter to these typa vids
What about doing an evolution race?
Ideas: (All ideas in this comment are for multiplayer) (This track)
Evolution motorcycle race
Evolution normal race
EMP Battle race (idea: with motorcycles / any of the other vehicles in this comment)
Hoverbike / Hovercraft?
Different track: Self-driving car / self-flying plane (Im not sure if this will work, I don't have trailmakers... yet, your videos are convincing me)
Idk I just want to see a weird race on this track in multiplayer
mayby bring battlebots back? I'm curious what spinning things will do to 1.9 physics
Pro driving skills on display 😂
the top times are always using crazy glitches or hacks or something, it's silly. I want a scoreboard that's only people using legal builds.
That was cool to watch but, I think you should try using a true car, with 4 wheels, only engines, without glitching, just to see what is your best time with your best true car creation!
Regards from Brazil!
Getting a gamepad will seriously help out with some of those more gradual turns. You sacrifice snap steer of course, but you have better overall controllability
You know what i find fascinating? The lack of negative reactions, unless those are cut out, but judging by the look, it seems unlikely
Challenge: each make heavy bomber and a ship (not small) and make your bombs from WEIGHT blocks.
2 bombers vs 1 ship
Bombers goal is to drop the weight blocks onto the ship to make it sink (because of big weight) (or just crash it)
Ship goal is to survive as much time as you can
Ship cant have more speed then the bomber
Ship cant have submarine cabin
Bomber cant have more then 2 bombs
I would LOVE to see ScrapMan trying doing good on races in lower leagues, in muscle, go-cart or even bionic leagues. I think that could be entertaining!
You could use 2 Logik gates or so, to set 2 different turning angles, so you can have a steering input for 20° and the other 40° or so. This would help a lot with the different sharp curves.
It'd be cool to see Scrapman play trackmania
the person/people in charge of signs at flashbulb are very good at what they do
also, editor, why did you gnome us at 22:15?
I think it could be fun to have a multiplayer challenge on this course
build the best vehicle you can in Formula league, no glitches, must have at least 4 wheels on the ground, and at least half of your powercores have to be engines (basically to encourage more car-like designs)
really like the music choice
having a lot of people racing on this course would be fun scrapman should bring back some of the old crew and just have everyone on the course at the same time
The first place guy might be doing something similar to trackmania action keys. The number of steering gyros would be explained by him having different steering modes for different turns, optimized to turn at the perfect rate to maintain as much speed as possible through the turns
Man you have to try to build something like this!!! 23:38
if someone can do it its you!!
you can start with something that will just drive without hitting the borders as first video then second video is fine-tuning and trying to make it finish in least time
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MM idea: destruction derby race.
Also: 22:10?
The thing I dislike about building driving vehicles in Trailmakers is that you really don't have any ability to tune braking force, (and there's no handbrake functionally at all,) which is like, an enormous part of the normal design consideration for something like a grand prix racer.
If you want to decelerate extra quickly you basically have to build it like a spaceship and put thrusters on the front. You'd think they would have addressed this for a motorsport-themed DLC package.
Edit: I also love how Scrapman built a car that's a mile long and has no suspension or braking and then he keeps complaining about crashing on the curb while going around corners. Like, the car is designed as though that is its entire purpose.
Lol, I also like how there's just no one in second place at 23:00
the inconsistency of the high speed random turn i think was your tailfin hinge with 0.00 setting on the steering help. at high speed it was going full speed, instead of less aggressive angle.
When you are having trouble doing gradual turns, you should use logic to minimize your turning on demand.
Then you could use normal WASD for driving and hold some other key to get gentile steering.
IDEA: You and a group of people make "realistic" f1 cars, and build them to have your gear shifting mechanism in them. Could be fun 😊
You should do human guided missiles vs all purpose vehicles
GNOME JUMPSCARE 22:14
Yeah, i thought about this often, but could you try automating a vehicle to drive the race for you perfectly, I'd love to see that
I’d suggest like camera following steering, so you steer with your mouse for something like this. The mouse gives smoother imputs while still allowing fast snappy turns
Music was spot on for the raceing
As a racing games enjoyer a can clearly sence the mastery over the teack this man has optainted.
Video idea:
Literally battlebots, so battlebots that the only limit is weight