The amount of F14s I saw today, 9 in one server and they all had phoenixes…, but I’ve been getting more kills with them, but for some reason I spawn really late, it takes longer to load into the match, I have disabled join already in progress matches and sometimes I see ally aircraft 7 miles away
@@Hatfieldfarms44unfortunately, the console version always take longer to load in all metrics. I made the switch from Xbox to pc and the change was drastic. Never going back
too bad i only ever get 12.3 or 12.7 matches in my mirage 2KC and go straight to eating R27ER in my face but when i'm not eating those, i wreck a lot of havoc
@@roebuckpayne if i see them being launched from ~15km away i can do that. But if the missile is launched at under 10km i usually dont make the turn in time and get blasted. And if its a BVR competition then the INS steers in the direction i turned into and if i dont fly perfectly cold for 20-30 sec+ i still get blasted because it regains lock from time to time and updates its ins. for me its hard to dodge them, but that is also partly my fault for not being good at dodging missiles in general
Why are people celebrating this? we should be screaming from the roof tops for BR Decrompression... how are any of the 10.7-11.0s suppsoed to fight a tomcat (or infact just about anything with a PD radar - the 11.3 Phantoms are pretty crazy rn) how's anything with 30 countermeasures and short range IR missiles suppsoed to fight waves of Aim-7Fs and Phoenix's raining down on them - the only defence right now is to simply run away and hope - multipathing was annoying at the very top tier but was a necessary evil to allow non PD fighters a change to simply get into fighting range
Oh, but you don't get it. The F-14 dominating the game for 1 year in the past and being strong now is a good thing, but when other nation gets to dominate for a patch, then it's either "russian bias" or "why does the US always gets the worst variants of its own plane".
@@purgetrapscorp The balance sways back and forth... Russians dominated top tier with the ER which was an upgrade for combating aim-120s for over a year before aim-120s were added to the game. They had HMD for off bore missile slinging at top tier before everyone as well when the f-16's and mig-29s came out, and still continue to have the best Radar and IR missiles in the game. People complaining about "f-14 dominance" don't understand how easy it was to dodge these missiles... and if you die to 54's its more of a skill issue than anything. And yes, it does suck getting the worst versions of our own jets... the French have the best f-16, and japan has the best f-15...
@@purgetrapscorpI don't know where you guys get your figures from.... It was 6 months I.e. the R27ER was added 6 months after the F14, so the F14 dominated for 6 months, on the flimsiest the R27ER dominated for 1.5 years. Also the US does get the objectively worse variant of their own plane....
@@aflyingcowboy31 Honestly, the AMRAAM is better than the Barak II's DERBY and while the F-16AM gets a MAW, to use it you need to give up two missile hardpoints, and it lacks a TWS system which hurts your BVR performance, and while it is lighter and more maneuverable, that doesn't mean as much when BVR is the name of the game. I am firmly of the belief that the F-16C Block 50 is the best variant of the F-16 in the game
@@zacharymarino8926 "and it lacks a TWS system which hurts your BVR performance" The F-16AM has TWS and the MAW doesn't require you to do anything other then turn it on or off, the thing you are talking about is that the F-16AM can receive 180 more countermeasures for dropping two missiles..... But hey this is apparently worse. The Derby is also just as good as the AIM-120 depending on where you are firing from. This however doesn't get into the F-15 either i.e. Japan has the best F-15.
AIM54C anyway I believe could be fired active off the rail, and all 54’s had HUGE HUGE warheads as the jet was meant to be an interceptor to take out Russian bombers from long range.
@@HankyInTheTankybecause the D is basically just an F14B, and you’ll say “but it gets AMRAAMS,” it never used AMRAAM in service, it was simply tested on it. At that point, just add the F18, which _did_ use AMRAAM in service, and can carry 10 of them with 2 Winders as well
I don't think it deservs 12.3 or 12.7. At least f14A. It has very shitty rwr with small amount of counter measures, no all aspect missles, very hot engines and kinda mid airframe. AIM 54 are still too easy to outpull anyways. You don't even have to notch them
@@_beamer_ Aim-54 should get its 25G, higher loft and uptiered to 12.7. IRL it can pull in dual plane. The fact that new AMRAAM has same firing range than Aim-54 is ridiculous. USN never treated AMRRAM as a replacement for Aim-54 due to AMRAAM being shorter ranged.
Honestly, the AIM-54A needs a Nerf. Just change the Multipathing altitude for the A-Version to 100-150 Meters and it would be fine. IRL the AIM-54A could only be launched above the sea because the analogue seeker couldn’t filter ground clutter, that was fixed with the C though.
I cannot get a single kill with phoenixes in SB battles (SB main, don't play RB). Out of 6 launches it's lucky if I get 1 or 2. Even if I launch multiple with at the same target with intervals. I legit saw better sucess rates with Aim-7M sparrows than with Phoenixes before the Fox 3 update. How do you use phoenixes? In my experience, even before the update, people just defend them, and the phoenix is really easy to defend agaisnt.
@@Mani_Gamer885 Use TWS mode with your radar. Realistically, don't launch further than 50km from your target, and only do this if you're very high and fast. Again, make sure you launch in TWS. For most shots with the Phoenix, shoot within 30km, also in TWS. Why TWS? It allows the missile to fly within 16km before your target knows a Phoenix has been launched on them; and during that time it is in-flight without your target knowing, the missile is picking up speed. That last 16km of its flight goes very fast, as it's well over Mach 3.5.
@@Mani_Gamer885I’m gonna be honest it’s most about who you launch it too Wait in the game for about 10 20 mins to see who is good and who is a brain dead bomber. Phoenixes only work on bad or unaware players, of which there are many at 11.3
F14 was good tbh even before the multipathing and now it's just god tier. It also helps that most people you're facing will be 11.3 premium noobs who do nothing but fly straight. I enjoy the f14b more than the f14a simply because you get much better thrust allowing you to get good speed and positioning for early game phoenix launch, ton more flares, and the aim9L while not the best are miles better than the rear-aspect missiles on the f14a and still more than capable for getting plenty of sneaky kills. I find the aim9H on the f14a to be dead weight most of the time. As far as the matchmaker they both seem to get almost the same matches, with the f14b seeing uptiers occasionally which really doesn't make much of a difference gameplay wise if all you're doing is spamming phoenixes then rtb'ing.
How do you know that the AIM-7 has locked on to the target with enough to get a good guidance? I can see the cue and lock symbols in Virtual Cockpit but not in the sim pit HUD.
The f14a has a few big weaknesses like the terrible rwr, kinda weak engines and no all aspect missiles. But it is good at 11.7. Definitely does not have the equipment to be competitive above 12.0 though
This plane could go to 12.0 if we had 13.3 as the rwr cant even detect any of the f16s or mig29s, if it goes up it would be in the same place it has been which is power crept. The missles are the only good thing this has lol
@@anguscovoflyer95With modern RWR's (SPO150L) for example you get a radar warning with a plane ID and after that you get a missile warning when it comes to ARH missiles
I despise this thing, it makes flying at top tier annoying in general, you have to notch 1-3 phoenixes before you can even engage and it’s just a waste of time.
That's fun to see the players dying by AIM54's bc of the multipathing nerf and they don't know about😂 And now with this nerf, the french 530D is realy OP, praticly impossible to dodge (Yes I'm french main and french) Btw do you know when is the Summer Sale ?!
i have been trying to spade the f14b to get more research progress on the f15c and it has been fun i have gotten a lot of 3 kill 4 kill and some 5 kill games in the f14b and i believe that it isnt as bad as mat makes it look like since 12.0 has a lot of downtiers (atleast at my region and the time im playing) i dont get a lot of 13.0 uptiers, like i have played enough matches since i began spading this plane and i have gotten like 2 or 3 uptiers to 13.0, 1 or 2 uptiers to 12.7, and the rest were mostly full downtiers and downtiers to 11.3. I agree with mat though, the difference between the f14a and b models are negligible enough to the point that the f14a is better, bc just like the 12.0 f14b, it get downtiers to 10.7 and uptiers to 12.7, with the less fox-3 carriers, plus f14a and b models get the aim 7f and aim 7m respectively, which are the same, and the aim 9 are not that usefull in the matches i have played anyway, i have mostly used the phonixes, and the aim 54a and c models, just like the aim 7f and aim 7m, are almost identical, which makes the f14a a little bit more enjoyfull, just like mat said. I enjoy your content! Keep up the good work!
i find it dumb that they nerfed multipathing and then there are still aircraft who can meat other aircrafts that have arh missiles and have only max 60 flares which is so annoying, because what will you do with notching against an aircraft who can just wait until you flared 30 times and easily take you out then
f-14 should be top tier only. It feels terrible killing someone that never had a chance and it feels even worse when you sit there for 10 minutes just to get picked out of the air without a chance. Both versions of the plane are bullshit coming from someone who max'd the US tree.
Aim 54 should never get a kill and maybe then only against an airbus or Il28 its only chance. ruclips.net/video/hHDoCzoIvp0/видео.html from a really good pilot and interview.
Makes the game unplayable unless you wanna sit there and dodge those missiles if the multi path is gonna stay how it is then both f 14s need to have a increase in br other wise ill just play something else cause that type of game play is trash IMO at the br that it is at now all they do is spam and land
The amount of F14s I saw today, 9 in one server and they all had phoenixes…, but I’ve been getting more kills with them, but for some reason I spawn really late, it takes longer to load into the match, I have disabled join already in progress matches and sometimes I see ally aircraft 7 miles away
Not as bad as F-4S spam
@@ItzCPU_ i had one match were the hole team was F4S's and F14A's
Make sure you have the game installed on an SSD for faster load times, if the issue persists it might be an internet issue
@@bpop2148 maybe, or maybe I'm trying to run war thunder on a 5 year old PS4 lmao 🤣
@@Hatfieldfarms44unfortunately, the console version always take longer to load in all metrics. I made the switch from Xbox to pc and the change was drastic. Never going back
Both this and the mirage at 11.7 are doing crazy well right now.
In a full down tier, the 11.7 530D can outclass most other SARH missiles in range.
i dont think so, i always get down by a phoenix before the furbal is made
Forget the 530D, the 2000 has Magic 2s with IRCCM and insane manueverability at 11.7, lol.
too bad i only ever get 12.3 or 12.7 matches in my mirage 2KC and go straight to eating R27ER in my face
but when i'm not eating those, i wreck a lot of havoc
@@DJRaffa1000 R27s loose lock if you go cold and then they miss or frantically find a new target, no?
Works for me most the time.
@@roebuckpayne if i see them being launched from ~15km away i can do that. But if the missile is launched at under 10km i usually dont make the turn in time and get blasted. And if its a BVR competition then the INS steers in the direction i turned into and if i dont fly perfectly cold for 20-30 sec+ i still get blasted because it regains lock from time to time and updates its ins.
for me its hard to dodge them, but that is also partly my fault for not being good at dodging missiles in general
Why are people celebrating this? we should be screaming from the roof tops for BR Decrompression... how are any of the 10.7-11.0s suppsoed to fight a tomcat (or infact just about anything with a PD radar - the 11.3 Phantoms are pretty crazy rn) how's anything with 30 countermeasures and short range IR missiles suppsoed to fight waves of Aim-7Fs and Phoenix's raining down on them - the only defence right now is to simply run away and hope - multipathing was annoying at the very top tier but was a necessary evil to allow non PD fighters a change to simply get into fighting range
Oh, but you don't get it. The F-14 dominating the game for 1 year in the past and being strong now is a good thing, but when other nation gets to dominate for a patch, then it's either "russian bias" or "why does the US always gets the worst variants of its own plane".
@@purgetrapscorp The balance sways back and forth... Russians dominated top tier with the ER which was an upgrade for combating aim-120s for over a year before aim-120s were added to the game. They had HMD for off bore missile slinging at top tier before everyone as well when the f-16's and mig-29s came out, and still continue to have the best Radar and IR missiles in the game.
People complaining about "f-14 dominance" don't understand how easy it was to dodge these missiles... and if you die to 54's its more of a skill issue than anything.
And yes, it does suck getting the worst versions of our own jets... the French have the best f-16, and japan has the best f-15...
@@purgetrapscorpI don't know where you guys get your figures from....
It was 6 months I.e. the R27ER was added 6 months after the F14, so the F14 dominated for 6 months, on the flimsiest the R27ER dominated for 1.5 years.
Also the US does get the objectively worse variant of their own plane....
@@aflyingcowboy31 Honestly, the AMRAAM is better than the Barak II's DERBY and while the F-16AM gets a MAW, to use it you need to give up two missile hardpoints, and it lacks a TWS system which hurts your BVR performance, and while it is lighter and more maneuverable, that doesn't mean as much when BVR is the name of the game. I am firmly of the belief that the F-16C Block 50 is the best variant of the F-16 in the game
@@zacharymarino8926 "and it lacks a TWS system which hurts your BVR performance"
The F-16AM has TWS and the MAW doesn't require you to do anything other then turn it on or off, the thing you are talking about is that the F-16AM can receive 180 more countermeasures for dropping two missiles..... But hey this is apparently worse.
The Derby is also just as good as the AIM-120 depending on where you are firing from.
This however doesn't get into the F-15 either i.e. Japan has the best F-15.
3:13 lol you got killed by a full uptiered sea harrier.
aim9l is a aim9l
As far as I know, the multipathing changes are to missiles in general, not the fox3s only.
Well yh obviously
Multipath removal (60 m) killed everything. Stock grind, 11.x pain, and the real undodgeable R-27ER.
Gaijin really need to THINK before they patch.
the 25g buff is going to be insane 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🙏🏽🤷🏽♂️
The WHAT BUFF??
@@GrindThunderer aim54 is getting 25 overload instead of 17g
When is it getting that buff? Any source you can share?
@@krisxx9732 YYYYEEEEAAAHHHHH
I’m grinding for this plane now. been sleeping on it forever while using F-16 and F-15
AIM54C anyway I believe could be fired active off the rail, and all 54’s had HUGE HUGE warheads as the jet was meant to be an interceptor to take out Russian bombers from long range.
Cant wait for these things to go to 12.3 and 12.7 next balance patch
They just need to add the D variant already I’m honestly surprised they haven’t already
@@HankyInTheTankybecause the D is basically just an F14B, and you’ll say “but it gets AMRAAMS,” it never used AMRAAM in service, it was simply tested on it. At that point, just add the F18, which _did_ use AMRAAM in service, and can carry 10 of them with 2 Winders as well
I don't think it deservs 12.3 or 12.7. At least f14A. It has very shitty rwr with small amount of counter measures, no all aspect missles, very hot engines and kinda mid airframe. AIM 54 are still too easy to outpull anyways. You don't even have to notch them
@@_beamer_ Aim-54 should get its 25G, higher loft and uptiered to 12.7. IRL it can pull in dual plane. The fact that new AMRAAM has same firing range than Aim-54 is ridiculous. USN never treated AMRRAM as a replacement for Aim-54 due to AMRAAM being shorter ranged.
@@_beamer_ just give the A a 9L and the B a 9M and the ove them to 12.3 and 12.7
Honestly, the AIM-54A needs a Nerf. Just change the Multipathing altitude for the A-Version to 100-150 Meters and it would be fine. IRL the AIM-54A could only be launched above the sea because the analogue seeker couldn’t filter ground clutter, that was fixed with the C though.
U Launch from 50km under 37 is best
this^
50km launch is fine from high altitude and speed
@@Ghost-kj7kvyup. Giving the missile as much energy from launch is the way to go.
I think the multipathing changes also applies to Fox 1’s
RAHHH F14 SIM time
Wonderful aircraft and fun to dogfight in as well
its the most fun plane for Sim I agree
I cannot get a single kill with phoenixes in SB battles (SB main, don't play RB). Out of 6 launches it's lucky if I get 1 or 2. Even if I launch multiple with at the same target with intervals. I legit saw better sucess rates with Aim-7M sparrows than with Phoenixes before the Fox 3 update.
How do you use phoenixes? In my experience, even before the update, people just defend them, and the phoenix is really easy to defend agaisnt.
@@Mani_Gamer885 Use TWS mode with your radar. Realistically, don't launch further than 50km from your target, and only do this if you're very high and fast. Again, make sure you launch in TWS.
For most shots with the Phoenix, shoot within 30km, also in TWS. Why TWS? It allows the missile to fly within 16km before your target knows a Phoenix has been launched on them; and during that time it is in-flight without your target knowing, the missile is picking up speed. That last 16km of its flight goes very fast, as it's well over Mach 3.5.
@@PotatoeJoe69 launch at 45km, keep launching and headon tws until you reach about 20km from your last target.
@@Mani_Gamer885I’m gonna be honest it’s most about who you launch it too
Wait in the game for about 10 20 mins to see who is good and who is a brain dead bomber. Phoenixes only work on bad or unaware players, of which there are many at 11.3
Yeah, even F14B is super rare at 13.0 matches.
Phoenix season is starting again 🚀
I grinded the f15c with the f14a and I have to say that on flat maps it felt like the phoenix tracks way better than it used to
*all other nation mains at 11.0 crying rn*
SB players:"You have no power here"
Instead of learning. Typical wt pilots
F14 was good tbh even before the multipathing and now it's just god tier. It also helps that most people you're facing will be 11.3 premium noobs who do nothing but fly straight. I enjoy the f14b more than the f14a simply because you get much better thrust allowing you to get good speed and positioning for early game phoenix launch, ton more flares, and the aim9L while not the best are miles better than the rear-aspect missiles on the f14a and still more than capable for getting plenty of sneaky kills. I find the aim9H on the f14a to be dead weight most of the time. As far as the matchmaker they both seem to get almost the same matches, with the f14b seeing uptiers occasionally which really doesn't make much of a difference gameplay wise if all you're doing is spamming phoenixes then rtb'ing.
2:55 you a see a missile from the mirage fly within like 20 meters of you that was insane
It should be higher br considering it now easier beats the MiG-23ML after its nerf and fox 3's at 11,7 is crazy,
How do you know that the AIM-7 has locked on to the target with enough to get a good guidance?
I can see the cue and lock symbols in Virtual Cockpit but not in the sim pit HUD.
Iv had phoenixes hit away from me and on the ground and still got severe damage due to the sheer size of the thing and HE mass
F-14 also has 20m prox fuze at least double the prox fuze of the other fox 3
soo much skill bro, u must be a pro to fly this thing properly (no sarcasm I swear)
The f14a has a few big weaknesses like the terrible rwr, kinda weak engines and no all aspect missiles. But it is good at 11.7. Definitely does not have the equipment to be competitive above 12.0 though
The B is relatively competitive at 12.0…
Multi pathing confirmed for fox1,2 7:36
hi i’m using the f14 a lot now and loving the new multi path one question how do u know when the PHX is fully active
It's the moment you see the circle around the dot disappear, That means the missile is now able to guide itself with out your help.
This plane could go to 12.0 if we had 13.3 as the rwr cant even detect any of the f16s or mig29s, if it goes up it would be in the same place it has been which is power crept. The missles are the only good thing this has lol
How do you know when the missles has gained it’s own track or when its lost the target, is it thru your radar?
The circle around the target on the radar will disappear when it goes pitbull
Thanks Matt!! Great video as always, one question, how do you know when the AIM54 becomes active? Where do you check that? On the RWR or the Radar?
The dotted line on your radar is the distance you need to guide it, once it's solid it's active and you can turn cold
@@davidsimpson7384same with other fox 3 missiles too?
@@anguscovoflyer95 should be as far as I know other then some other newer fox 3s have a father distance they go active from
@@anguscovoflyer95With modern RWR's (SPO150L) for example you get a radar warning with a plane ID and after that you get a missile warning when it comes to ARH missiles
@@davidsimpson7384 thanks a lot!
👍
I despise this thing, it makes flying at top tier annoying in general, you have to notch 1-3 phoenixes before you can even engage and it’s just a waste of time.
That's fun to see the players dying by AIM54's bc of the multipathing nerf and they don't know about😂
And now with this nerf, the french 530D is realy OP, praticly impossible to dodge
(Yes I'm french main and french)
Btw do you know when is the Summer Sale ?!
i was dying to it in sim and i was thinking to myself, man i suck.
Sale is probably at the end of the month or early July
F4S(s) racing one another to rocket a base are quite susceptible to the these primitive Fox 3s.
i have been trying to spade the f14b to get more research progress on the f15c and it has been fun i have gotten a lot of 3 kill 4 kill and some 5 kill games in the f14b and i believe that it isnt as bad as mat makes it look like since 12.0 has a lot of downtiers (atleast at my region and the time im playing) i dont get a lot of 13.0 uptiers, like i have played enough matches since i began spading this plane and i have gotten like 2 or 3 uptiers to 13.0, 1 or 2 uptiers to 12.7, and the rest were mostly full downtiers and downtiers to 11.3. I agree with mat though, the difference between the f14a and b models are negligible enough to the point that the f14a is better, bc just like the 12.0 f14b, it get downtiers to 10.7 and uptiers to 12.7, with the less fox-3 carriers, plus f14a and b models get the aim 7f and aim 7m respectively, which are the same, and the aim 9 are not that usefull in the matches i have played anyway, i have mostly used the phonixes, and the aim 54a and c models, just like the aim 7f and aim 7m, are almost identical, which makes the f14a a little bit more enjoyfull, just like mat said. I enjoy your content! Keep up the good work!
The f14b has the best flight model in thr game
is it only for the F14A or for the F14B too = ?
i find it dumb that they nerfed multipathing and then there are still aircraft who can meat other aircrafts that have arh missiles and have only max 60 flares which is so annoying, because what will you do with notching against an aircraft who can just wait until you flared 30 times and easily take you out then
What happens to me is that the radar keeps flashing and I can no longer change mode. This has never happened to me but now it happens often.
That's a known bug. Push acm mode button a few times and wait
f-14 should be top tier only. It feels terrible killing someone that never had a chance and it feels even worse when you sit there for 10 minutes just to get picked out of the air without a chance. Both versions of the plane are bullshit coming from someone who max'd the US tree.
I can't wait the MiG-31 and the R-37
R-37 got in service with the name of R-37M in 2019, therefore not enough info about it like MBDA Meteor.
But we may get R-33(S) instead, maybe?
We can hope 😇@@Takamiya_Mio
Why does your lighting looks like in the beta?^^
Lituraly give it aim9m and put it at 12.7
No wae bro F-14A Late confirmed???
Wait how do you view radar guided missile???
default bind for missile track is. U. on pc
How you can change targets at tws mode?
There is a key binding like alt p or something I make a new key binding
Now all they need to do is get rid mixed matches!
Not feasible when planes are bala ced enough irl to do that
No patience players make easy targets.
You are taking way too much fuel.
Aim 54 should never get a kill and maybe then only against an airbus or Il28 its only chance.
ruclips.net/video/hHDoCzoIvp0/видео.html from a really good pilot and interview.
You only got 3 not 4 kills 11:11
This is gonna be nerfed coz aim54a boinking lot of Gaijins golden childs(F4S m23ML) at its BR xD
I'm struggling at 11.3 also. The f14 is just oppressive to fight and with the nerfed mig 23 airframe you have no chance in a dogfight
mig23ml got nerfed hard russia is gonna get a new premium soon 100%
@@amari2509Not just the Ml but also the Mla and Mld
W
Makes the game unplayable unless you wanna sit there and dodge those missiles if the multi path is gonna stay how it is then both f 14s need to have a increase in br other wise ill just play something else cause that type of game play is trash IMO at the br that it is at now all they do is spam and land
yea top tier is unplayable
This isn’t top tier anymore
BOMBCAT BETTER
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