I always keep half a dozen Buffalo Special load BB 36 gms with plastic wad . Ideal for that special chance on a close up fox shot normally I use a rifle, however SG I have used them but unless you are close to your target the spread is all over the place in my opinion. Thanks for sharing 👍
Absolutely my experience with SG too. I too normally use a rifle but just in case, as you say, a few BB in the inside jacket pocket is always a good thing to carry.
I use 36g and 50g 3s and bbs for foxes, the larger load fills out the pattern better, 34g SG I've seen used on wild boar, less pellets less meat damage but better penetration on the thick skin and fat.
Iv used 36 gram of AAA shot plastic wad and full choke out to about 25 yards in heavy cover/walked up flushing. Accounted for several foxes with majority head and neck shot expired very quickly. I think beyond 30 yards in the open you should be using a centrefire rifle. The shotgun has its place but ammo needs pattern testing for density on target and big enough for maximum energy on target. Ideal in certain rough terrain or regular shoot area encounters no doubt, but in my opinion a rifle is the correct tool. Nice to see you Sam and Thomas "okay" all the best. Regards Tony
I did forget to add that through experience I found the larger pellet size used meant a reduction in range with shotguns. AAA are 5 mm or. 20 and are ballistically efficient but you need at least 1 1/4 oz or 1 1/2 oz to keep a good pattern. 12 guage slugs are just too dangerous on Fox due to range and "shoot through", iv seen them used on wild boar "danger close" from a shotgun. Just my opinion/experience. All the best Sam. Regards Tony
I got a Mint condition box of imperial SSG shells. Here in Nova Scotia . Grandfather left them to me along with his hunting gear and guns. These contain 3 large lead balls. Or as they used to be called here on Cape Breton Island . “ wrecking ball” .
Hornady and Winchester have or had 3" plated BB loads for coyotes. #4 buck or T shot lead is the normal load for coyote, and BB or #2 lead for bobcats and fox from what I’ve read in the states, with a predator/turkey/xtra full choke.
Why not draw a live size fox on a big piece of paper or sheet of cardboard and do the test that way? If you hit the fox with sg and only one pellet hits it in a bad spot. Then you have a runner. I think this would be a better test tbh
@@halfcantan1208 Alphamax go all the way up to Magnum Sg, I like these as well as the AAA which is 36 pellet & still marketed as a heavy game cartridge. There is quite a range in between the 2 demonstrated ...
@@halfcantan1208alphamax are usually 36 gram no 4 shot, they are known in the UK for fox shooting I have used them on ducks also they are good allrounder
My BB shot is steel, being mainly for ducks, so I suppose it probably wouldn't work so well against fox or coyotes. I did get some OO because hey, why not.
You could use buckshot wiiith flitecontroll wad whiich is esentially a wad that stays atached to the shot for much more which leads to a much tighter pattern
Shop can not sell the cartridges due to insurance ( don't know how they were stored, how old ) " Here you go Thomas, shoot this" . while i go stand over here. lol
If you can try to find the equivelent of #4 Buck, #3 Buck, and #2 Buck loads. (#4 Buck=.22 Caliber, #3 Buck=25 Caliber,and #2 Buck=.27 Caliber pellets as best I can remember)
SRSpower, I totally agree with everything you say here. People do not appreciate how dangerous SG is, a stray SG retains enough energy to kill at well over 200 yards, according to penetration tests on my rifle range.As you rightly say, it is totally useless stuff anyway because no matter what choke you test it with, patterns beyond 20 yards are completely unpredictable. One shot will be brilliant, the next terrible, it is just the random nature of it. I have shot at foxes at 20 yards and not one pellet even touches them. The next fox might be cut nearly in half at the same range. The random patterns on cardboard display why this is. BB is a much better bet for close range fox shooting, and is still useful and predictable up to 50 yards, in fact I have even killed grey squirrels at out to 60 yards with it. The only exception to everything stated here is Federal flight control 00/000 but you can't buy it in the UK. That is a cartridge that you can get reliable patterns at 50 yards with.
In America, 27 pellet 2 3/4" #4 buck (.24 inch, 20.8 grain projectiles) is pretty much our standard for shotguns against coyotes, which tend to be slightly larger than your average fox, but not by so much that it should make a great difference. Better pattern density with triple the pellet count over SG, combined with greater range and per-pellet energy over BB, might provide a distinct advantage when dealing with predators going after your chickens and sheep. There is also a commonly available 41 pellet 3" version over here. Do you have an available equivalent in the U.K.?
Yeah after looking in to No.4 Buck I would agree it seems to be the best of both worlds in terms of power vs pattern. We don't really have an equivalent in the UK that I know of though. I did get hold of some Remington 00 Buck at a show a few years ago but I think that was very old ammo. Normally we don't get Buck varieties here.
@@srspower After a quick search, the good news is that if you want to test it out brownells.co.uk can get you 5 pounds of Hornady #4 buck shot for £45.30 with free shipping on orders over £100.00. Of course you will have to load your own, but that's pretty straight forward. I saw that they also have OOO buck shot in stock, if loading 8 pellets of .36 cal pellets sounds fun, although I would imagine .36 cal round ball is freely available for you folks due to the popularity of black powder handgun shooting in England and Wales.
@@srspower You can get AAA shot which is slightly smaller than no.4 or sometimes ssg pops up which is slightly bigger. But AAA from gamebore buffalo range seems to be our best choice.
Just watched another guy on RUclips shoot a ballistics gel block at 40yds with lead bb shotshell out of what I believe he said was improved cylinder bore (could be wrong) and avg penetration was 12ins with pretty decent shot patterning. If it could kill a man it could certainly kill a fox.
Would be interesting to see something in between BB and SG like a #4 buckshot and see what the middle ground is like. Great video though, thank you for mentioning what choke he had in because I was wondering the entire video and was hoping you would eventually mention it!
In the UK we have AAA shot which is similar sized, about 20 pellets the size of .22lr so kind and similar to 4 buck. And yes a comparison would be good
Thank you for taking the time and shooting this video.. Can I ask why did you choose BB And SG ? Can you do another Video with 2 different calibres ? I would like to see more about the maximum range of the cartridges !
I know this is an older video, but if you can’t use slugs. Then cut shells are second best. If you’re unaware of how cut shells work, there are numerous videos on here
I am a 70 year old East Coast American, and I speak English, German, Russian and Greek, but I have a VERY hard time understanding this man's British diction. I have no problem with RP British English. Where is this gentleman from in the British Isles ... ?
In some of your previous videos, you said you shot on a common as in common land. I've always wondered what the legalitys are of this as I want to look at some new areas to shoot on
Used both of them a few years ago. Bbs kills foxes easily to 40yrd sg spread very quick . My brother Fired a sg at a fox 30ish yards away and missed it and hit his van 70 yrd away, straight throw the radiator and stuck to the engine block. Took us a bit of time to stop laughing and the water running away.😲
srspower he certainly did,luck enough a few lads drove up the road and seen we needed help and give him some liquid metal ( putty ) . I think I cried laughing so much I could have filled the radiator.
Do you think that high power air guns should be a section 2 firearm, obviously at the moment they’re section 1, and the SGC become more of a small game certificate. To make it slightly easier for people who want to get into hunting small game.
Well given a shotgun with SG produces about 1700 ft pounds of energy in total it does seem crazy that a 40 ft lb air rifle would be section 1 when a shotgun with SG ammo is section 2.
we do ! article 7 of the bill of rights 1688 ! all consitutional acts of parlimeant overule all other acts of parlimeant unless they have expressly repalled ! the fireams acts 1988 and 1997 have not expressly removed article 7 thus the handgun and semi auto centre fire rifle bans are illegal, null and void !
@@geezerp1982 The English Bill Of Rights (1689) states "That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law" and "By causing several good subjects being Protestants to be disarmed at the same time when papists were both armed and employed contrary to law". A licensing scheme was brought into being in 1870 for people who wanted to carry gun outside their homes but no restrictions on what people kept in their own homes. The 1903 Pistols act also imposed more restrictions such as anyone "Drunk or insane" being denied ownership. This was followed by the 1920 Firearms Act, which introduced a registration system and allowed local police forces to deny a licence to anyone who was "unfitted to be trusted with a firearm". In turn the 1937 Firearms Act banned most fully automatic weapons. The 1967 Criminal Justice Act brought in the necessity for shotgun owners to have a licence. The 1968 Firearms Act consolidated existing laws and gave the Home Office the right to set fees for shotgun licenses. After Hungerford in 1987 the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 came into being, which banned semi-automatic and pump-action rifles; weapons which fire explosive ammunition; short shotguns with magazines; and elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles. Registration was also made mandatory for shotguns, which were required to be kept in secure storage. After Dunblane in 1996 the Conservative government drew up legislation banning handguns above .22 calibre. Labour introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, which outlawed .22s as well. The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 was introduced and made it an offence to manufacture, import or sell realistic imitation guns; doubled the maximum sentence for carrying an imitation gun to 12 months, and made it a crime to fire an air weapon beyond the boundary of any premises. It also increased the age limit for buying or possessing an air weapon from 17 to 18. All of these became "Statutory Laws" when they were passed. A statute law is a written law produced by Parliament which originates from decisions made in other courts and the country’s "Written constitution". It is the highest type of law which passes Acts onto the Houses of Parliament where they debate whether the Act should exist or not. So, all of the aforementioned acts WERE constitutional acts thus making article 7 null and void many years ago. There is NO constitutional right to bear arms in the UK.
@@DoriasLives not quite, in the Thoburn v Sunderland City Council before Laws CJ and Crane J , ruled that implied repeal does not apply to consitutional acts of parlimeant, they can only be expressly repealed " the present state of its maturity the common law has come to recognise that there exist rights which should properly be classified as constitutional or fundamental [...] And from this a further insight follows. We should recognise a hierarchy of Acts of Parliament: as it were "ordinary" statutes and "constitutional" statutes. The two categories must be distinguished on a principled basis. In my opinion a constitutional statute is one which (a) conditions the legal relationship between citizen and State in some general, overarching manner, or (b) enlarges or diminishes the scope of what we would now regard as fundamental constitutional rights. (a) and (b) are of necessity closely related: it is difficult to think of an instance of (a) that is not also an instance of (b). "In this category of "constitutional statutes" Laws identified Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights 1689, the Acts of Union 1707, the Reform Acts, the Human Rights Act 1998, the Scotland Act 1998, the Government of Wales Act 1998 and the European Communities Act 1972. Such statutes are, because of their constitutional importance, to be protected from implied repeal and, whilst not entrenched in English law, can only be repealed by the express intervention of Parliament...." thus, no act of parliment has expressly repealled article 7, the fireams act 1988 section 5, 1997 firearms act section 1 are illegal, null and void ! an example of where an article of the bill of rights was expressly repealed is article 7 (the right to jury trial) which was expressly repealled by the Juries Act 1825 (c. 50), s. 62
@@geezerp1982 That being said, should you use any kind of firearm or other implement as a means of "Self Defence" in the UK article 7 of the 1689 Bill of rights would offer you no defence whatsoever in a court of law. Usage would constitute premeditation and prosecution under said acts, not including assault and/or murder charges. This alone renders article 7 both moot and redundant. I will go into why later. Go along to any RFD and order or try to buy a semi-auto centre fire and/or pistol contained under section 5 of the firearms act of 1988, they are not for sale...why? because they are illegal to buy, sell or own under said act for anyone except some RFD's, Section 5 owners etc... every amendment of any firearms act is done under constitutional law by the parliament and so renders preceding statutes either obsolete or updated. Article 7 was very specific about the right to bear arms. Such wording also makes it very specific about the conditions under which it is to be upheld. Citizens in the UK do not have "Rights" to gun ownership, if anything it is a "Privilege". If you believe that you have a constitutional right to both bear arms and own a semi-auto centre fire under article 7 of the English bill of rights of 1689 and that all successive laws are non lawful under that bill of rights then ok. Like i said, the article is very specific about its purpose "That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law"....ergo the laws have changed and define very specifically and rigidly gun ownership in the UK.....the article states itself "as allowed by law". It does not need to be repealed, because it validates itself and the successive laws that follow it by it's own definition. This the Government know, the law courts know and various bodies that offer representation of the public regarding firearms know. Hence there is no movement by organisations such as the BASC or anyone else to take the government to court to push through any change in law for gun ownership by the government. The bill itself negates that by it's wording...thus rendering any perceived perception of "Constitutional Gun Rights" null and void. It is law, it is legal, it is constitutional and it is absolute. You can try to ignore it or fight it if you wish, you can try to find grey areas if you wish, loopholes etc....but it remains fact, article 7 itself establishes "Suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law", the law does not allow anyone rights to bear firearms without a licence in the UK. All successive firearms laws stand without any need for repeal due to the very nature and wording of the bill you are using as an example. I am sure the governments over the last 340ish years have been well aware of that fact and therefore have no obligation or need to repeal an article of the bill that makes their laws lawful regarding the right to bear arms. If you understand that the English Bill Of Rights is wholly legal and the basis of both Government and Crown Secession and that the Magna Carta is a binding national document and charter of rights then by that very definition the Article you quote serves to underline and make absolute the successive laws regarding the right to bear arms. Simply put, the 1988 Firearms act is completely legal and is not in breach of article 7, it is in fact lawful by article 7's very wording. Therefore centre fires have to be bolt action or straight pull etc. So, i still say no....Article 7 of the English Bill Of Rights does not make the ban on semi-auto centre fires null and void, no, it does not give citizens the right to bear arms. It only gives citizens the right to bear arms under conditions of the law. The law states that you must have a license for gun ownership and has strict laws upon what kind, under law defined by article 7 itself. What we are left with is a right to apply for firearms and/or shotguns, but only under the law as set down by the English Bill Of Rights. So, no...we do not have an unconditional constitutional right to bear arms in the UK. Only a constitutional right to bear arms suitable to the condition of the bearer and as allowed by law.
Sg’s will go through a bore shoulder exiting out the it other shoulder at 30 yards full choke. Not that great for the gun if you use them all the time.
I find it quite funny when I hear about using SG for little creatures like foxes, for which I wouldn't even use AAA. BB is wayyyy good enough! One uses SG -- or REALLY serious would be LG at best -- for a 475 pound wild boar! And I mean a PROPER Asian wild boar, not the half-tame feral kind you get in the US and Australia (Thinner hides and softer tissue). One only uses a slug for something as tough as a wild boar if you want to blow a big fat hole in it!
This is the first time I've ever seen a British guy giving gun advice on youtube
There's actually quite a few of us out there.
English
@@blitz380 still British mate. 🙄
@@Grover91 No, it’s not. ‘British’ is a passport status
I always keep half a dozen Buffalo Special load BB 36 gms with plastic wad . Ideal for that special chance on a close up fox shot normally I use a rifle, however SG I have used them but unless you are close to your target the spread is all over the place in my opinion. Thanks for sharing 👍
Absolutely my experience with SG too. I too normally use a rifle but just in case, as you say, a few BB in the inside jacket pocket is always a good thing to carry.
The primos tightwad choke and the Carlson coyote choke make an incredible difference. I’m reloading bb 3” loads. 51 hits on target at 45 yards.
I use 36g and 50g 3s and bbs for foxes, the larger load fills out the pattern better, 34g SG I've seen used on wild boar, less pellets less meat damage but better penetration on the thick skin and fat.
Iv used 36 gram of AAA shot plastic wad and full choke out to about 25 yards in heavy cover/walked up flushing. Accounted for several foxes with majority head and neck shot expired very quickly. I think beyond 30 yards in the open you should be using a centrefire rifle. The shotgun has its place but ammo needs pattern testing for density on target and big enough for maximum energy on target. Ideal in certain rough terrain or regular shoot area encounters no doubt, but in my opinion a rifle is the correct tool. Nice to see you Sam and Thomas "okay" all the best. Regards Tony
I did forget to add that through experience I found the larger pellet size used meant a reduction in range with shotguns. AAA are 5 mm or. 20 and are ballistically efficient but you need at least 1 1/4 oz or 1 1/2 oz to keep a good pattern. 12 guage slugs are just too dangerous on Fox due to range and "shoot through", iv seen them used on wild boar "danger close" from a shotgun. Just my opinion/experience. All the best Sam. Regards Tony
I've also found AAA to be effective, better than the alphamax.
I got a Mint condition box of imperial SSG shells. Here in Nova Scotia . Grandfather left them to me along with his hunting gear and guns. These contain 3 large lead balls. Or as they used to be called here on Cape Breton Island . “ wrecking ball” .
Usually you brits are talking about pellet guns and tea, this is refreshing👍
And Crumpets !
Great to see you again on RUclips
Thanks for watching Jason :)
I've been having great results with Fiocchi 33gr SG. Furthest shot yet has been 50 yards half choke.
36g no.3 shot perfect for fox
My uncle uses alphamax cartridges out of his mossberg for foxes and he used to have a .22 and other Calibers but he rather just stick to the shotgun
Hornady and Winchester have or had 3" plated BB loads for coyotes. #4 buck or T shot lead is the normal load for coyote, and BB or #2 lead for bobcats and fox from what I’ve read in the states, with a predator/turkey/xtra full choke.
Good brief
haven't been able to spare the time to watch your videos lately but as usual excellent presentation .
thank you from Australia
It's great to see Tom! His stick work is beyond compare!!
Why not draw a live size fox on a big piece of paper or sheet of cardboard and do the test that way? If you hit the fox with sg and only one pellet hits it in a bad spot. Then you have a runner. I think this would be a better test tbh
Good day everyone,
Another great video with good infos, many thanks for sharing and greetings from New Zealand in Down Under.
Alphamax always for foxes in the uk especially calling in small fields or paddocks 0yrds to 40yrds no issue keep a ¾ & ½ chokes no worries
Is alphamax just a glorified bird shot ?
@@halfcantan1208 Alphamax go all the way up to Magnum Sg, I like these as well as the AAA which is 36 pellet & still marketed as a heavy game cartridge. There is quite a range in between the 2 demonstrated ...
@@halfcantan1208alphamax are usually 36 gram no 4 shot, they are known in the UK for fox shooting I have used them on ducks also they are good allrounder
My BB shot is steel, being mainly for ducks, so I suppose it probably wouldn't work so well against fox or coyotes. I did get some OO because hey, why not.
Ati is the only company that i found who makes lead bb shot still
Maionchi cartridges are an old brand from the 80s and 90s they did a real good clay load that won a few things. But haven't seen them for along time
In the us we use BB for coyote loads of 60 yards or more.
You could use buckshot wiiith flitecontroll wad whiich is esentially a wad that stays atached to the shot for much more which leads to a much tighter pattern
Not common in the uk or ireland buckshot alone rare enough
I use either 10 32cal pellets in my 20ga, or a 62 cal round ball, for such things.
Shop can not sell the cartridges due to insurance ( don't know how they were stored, how old ) " Here you go Thomas, shoot this" . while i go stand over here. lol
If you can try to find the equivelent of #4 Buck, #3 Buck, and #2 Buck loads. (#4 Buck=.22 Caliber, #3 Buck=25 Caliber,and #2 Buck=.27 Caliber pellets as best I can remember)
SRSpower, I totally agree with everything you say here. People do not appreciate how dangerous SG is, a stray SG retains enough energy to kill at well over 200 yards, according to penetration tests on my rifle range.As you rightly say, it is totally useless stuff anyway because no matter what choke you test it with, patterns beyond 20 yards are completely unpredictable. One shot will be brilliant, the next terrible, it is just the random nature of it. I have shot at foxes at 20 yards and not one pellet even touches them. The next fox might be cut nearly in half at the same range. The random patterns on cardboard display why this is. BB is a much better bet for close range fox shooting, and is still useful and predictable up to 50 yards, in fact I have even killed grey squirrels at out to 60 yards with it. The only exception to everything stated here is Federal flight control 00/000 but you can't buy it in the UK. That is a cartridge that you can get reliable patterns at 50 yards with.
Those SG shotgun shells have very large pellets. I’m wondering if it’s comparable to our 00 Buckshot or 000 buckshot in the states? Great video. 😊
@@Shot_Gunner yes they are identical to double ought buckshot in the US. 9 pellets in a 2 3/4 inch shell.
@@srspower very nice 😊 thanks
I love your teachings
In America, 27 pellet 2 3/4" #4 buck (.24 inch, 20.8 grain projectiles) is pretty much our standard for shotguns against coyotes, which tend to be slightly larger than your average fox, but not by so much that it should make a great difference. Better pattern density with triple the pellet count over SG, combined with greater range and per-pellet energy over BB, might provide a distinct advantage when dealing with predators going after your chickens and sheep. There is also a commonly available 41 pellet 3" version over here. Do you have an available equivalent in the U.K.?
Yeah after looking in to No.4 Buck I would agree it seems to be the best of both worlds in terms of power vs pattern. We don't really have an equivalent in the UK that I know of though. I did get hold of some Remington 00 Buck at a show a few years ago but I think that was very old ammo. Normally we don't get Buck varieties here.
@@srspower After a quick search, the good news is that if you want to test it out brownells.co.uk can get you 5 pounds of Hornady #4 buck shot for £45.30 with free shipping on orders over £100.00. Of course you will have to load your own, but that's pretty straight forward. I saw that they also have OOO buck shot in stock, if loading 8 pellets of .36 cal pellets sounds fun, although I would imagine .36 cal round ball is freely available for you folks due to the popularity of black powder handgun shooting in England and Wales.
@@srspower You can get AAA shot which is slightly smaller than no.4 or sometimes ssg pops up which is slightly bigger. But AAA from gamebore buffalo range seems to be our best choice.
Just watched another guy on RUclips shoot a ballistics gel block at 40yds with lead bb shotshell out of what I believe he said was improved cylinder bore (could be wrong) and avg penetration was 12ins with pretty decent shot patterning. If it could kill a man it could certainly kill a fox.
Would be interesting to see something in between BB and SG like a #4 buckshot and see what the middle ground is like. Great video though, thank you for mentioning what choke he had in because I was wondering the entire video and was hoping you would eventually mention it!
In the UK we have AAA shot which is similar sized, about 20 pellets the size of .22lr so kind and similar to 4 buck. And yes a comparison would be good
SSSG or AAA. Goodluck finding either
There is BBB, F & T between those in bird shot. I use BBB for Canada Goose
Shot plenty of fixes with a 12 gauge no problem shooting round the small holding with No1s.
Thank you for taking the time and shooting this video.. Can I ask why did you choose BB And SG ? Can you do another Video with 2 different calibres ? I would like to see more about the maximum range of the cartridges !
I know this is an older video, but if you can’t use slugs. Then cut shells are second best. If you’re unaware of how cut shells work, there are numerous videos on here
Great going back to the argos catalogues
I am a 70 year old East Coast American, and I speak English, German, Russian and Greek, but I have a VERY hard time understanding this man's British diction. I have no problem with RP British English. Where is this gentleman from in the British Isles ... ?
I'm from Worcester :)
These rounds are soo powerful rounds i can say
Shadilay at the end FTW!!!
Over here in The Sweden, We use Slugs for wild Boars in the shotgun
You really do have serious problem if you have boars in your shotgun mate.
In some of your previous videos, you said you shot on a common as in common land. I've always wondered what the legalitys are of this as I want to look at some new areas to shoot on
I refer to it as the 'old common' meaning it was once common land. Not anymore not for at least a couple of generations.
@@srspower so you can shoot on "old common" land?
AssortedVideos I bet the land is now privately owned, so as with other private land all shooting has to take place with the permission of the owner.
@@ATH_Berkshire so frustrating, I wish we had common land shooting laws like in the US. Its so hard to get permission to shoot on land in some areas
Used both of them a few years ago. Bbs kills foxes easily to 40yrd sg spread very quick . My brother Fired a sg at a fox 30ish yards away and missed it and hit his van 70 yrd away, straight throw the radiator and stuck to the engine block. Took us a bit of time to stop laughing and the water running away.😲
I bet he regretted the shot!
srspower he certainly did,luck enough a few lads drove up the road and seen we needed help and give him some liquid metal ( putty ) .
I think I cried laughing so much I could have filled the radiator.
I used aplphamax 90 years old it was aweful at the target at 50 meters with 30 inch doubble barrell
You can 100% get close to a fox with a shotgun. A rifle is great help but if you only have a shotgun you can take any game.
Great video
Do you think that high power air guns should be a section 2 firearm, obviously at the moment they’re section 1, and the SGC become more of a small game certificate. To make it slightly easier for people who want to get into hunting small game.
Well given a shotgun with SG produces about 1700 ft pounds of energy in total it does seem crazy that a 40 ft lb air rifle would be section 1 when a shotgun with SG ammo is section 2.
Happy New Year, hope everything's OK as we've not heard from you for a while.
We should have a version of the second amendment over here!!! ..... and you know it! ...... best wishes 🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧
Mad Dog Survival as a yank I’m quite flattered.
I do love your Island!
we do ! article 7 of the bill of rights 1688 ! all consitutional acts of parlimeant overule all other acts of parlimeant unless they have expressly repalled ! the fireams acts 1988 and 1997 have not expressly removed article 7 thus the handgun and semi auto centre fire rifle bans are illegal, null and void !
@@geezerp1982 The English Bill Of Rights (1689) states "That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law" and "By causing several good subjects being Protestants to be disarmed at the same time when papists were both armed and employed contrary to law". A licensing scheme was brought into being in 1870 for people who wanted to carry gun outside their homes but no restrictions on what people kept in their own homes. The 1903 Pistols act also imposed more restrictions such as anyone "Drunk or insane" being denied ownership. This was followed by the 1920 Firearms Act, which introduced a registration system and allowed local police forces to deny a licence to anyone who was "unfitted to be trusted with a firearm". In turn the 1937 Firearms Act banned most fully automatic weapons. The 1967 Criminal Justice Act brought in the necessity for shotgun owners to have a licence. The 1968 Firearms Act consolidated existing laws and gave the Home Office the right to set fees for shotgun licenses. After Hungerford in 1987 the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 came into being, which banned semi-automatic and pump-action rifles; weapons which fire explosive ammunition; short shotguns with magazines; and elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles. Registration was also made mandatory for shotguns, which were required to be kept in secure storage. After Dunblane in 1996 the Conservative government drew up legislation banning handguns above .22 calibre. Labour introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, which outlawed .22s as well. The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 was introduced and made it an offence to manufacture, import or sell realistic imitation guns; doubled the maximum sentence for carrying an imitation gun to 12 months, and made it a crime to fire an air weapon beyond the boundary of any premises. It also increased the age limit for buying or possessing an air weapon from 17 to 18.
All of these became "Statutory Laws" when they were passed. A statute law is a written law produced by Parliament which originates from decisions made in other courts and the country’s "Written constitution". It is the highest type of law which passes Acts onto the Houses of Parliament where they debate whether the Act should exist or not. So, all of the aforementioned acts WERE constitutional acts thus making article 7 null and void many years ago. There is NO constitutional right to bear arms in the UK.
@@DoriasLives not quite, in the Thoburn v Sunderland City Council before Laws CJ and Crane J , ruled that implied repeal does not apply to consitutional acts of parlimeant, they can only be expressly repealed
" the present state of its maturity the common law has come to recognise that there exist rights which should properly be classified as constitutional or fundamental [...] And from this a further insight follows. We should recognise a hierarchy of Acts of Parliament: as it were "ordinary" statutes and "constitutional" statutes. The two categories must be distinguished on a principled basis. In my opinion a constitutional statute is one which (a) conditions the legal relationship between citizen and State in some general, overarching manner, or (b) enlarges or diminishes the scope of what we would now regard as fundamental constitutional rights. (a) and (b) are of necessity closely related: it is difficult to think of an instance of (a) that is not also an instance of (b).
"In this category of "constitutional statutes" Laws identified Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights 1689, the Acts of Union 1707, the Reform Acts, the Human Rights Act 1998, the Scotland Act 1998, the Government of Wales Act 1998 and the European Communities Act 1972. Such statutes are, because of their constitutional importance, to be protected from implied repeal and, whilst not entrenched in English law, can only be repealed by the express intervention of Parliament...."
thus, no act of parliment has expressly repealled article 7, the fireams act 1988 section 5, 1997 firearms act section 1
are illegal, null and void !
an example of where an article of the bill of rights was expressly repealed is article 7 (the right to jury trial) which was expressly repealled by the Juries Act 1825 (c. 50), s. 62
@@geezerp1982 That being said, should you use any kind of firearm or other implement as a means of "Self Defence" in the UK article 7 of the 1689 Bill of rights would offer you no defence whatsoever in a court of law. Usage would constitute premeditation and prosecution under said acts, not including assault and/or murder charges. This alone renders article 7 both moot and redundant. I will go into why later. Go along to any RFD and order or try to buy a semi-auto centre fire and/or pistol contained under section 5 of the firearms act of 1988, they are not for sale...why? because they are illegal to buy, sell or own under said act for anyone except some RFD's, Section 5 owners etc... every amendment of any firearms act is done under constitutional law by the parliament and so renders preceding statutes either obsolete or updated. Article 7 was very specific about the right to bear arms. Such wording also makes it very specific about the conditions under which it is to be upheld. Citizens in the UK do not have "Rights" to gun ownership, if anything it is a "Privilege". If you believe that you have a constitutional right to both bear arms and own a semi-auto centre fire under article 7 of the English bill of rights of 1689 and that all successive laws are non lawful under that bill of rights then ok. Like i said, the article is very specific about its purpose "That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law"....ergo the laws have changed and define very specifically and rigidly gun ownership in the UK.....the article states itself "as allowed by law". It does not need to be repealed, because it validates itself and the successive laws that follow it by it's own definition. This the Government know, the law courts know and various bodies that offer representation of the public regarding firearms know. Hence there is no movement by organisations such as the BASC or anyone else to take the government to court to push through any change in law for gun ownership by the government. The bill itself negates that by it's wording...thus rendering any perceived perception of "Constitutional Gun Rights" null and void. It is law, it is legal, it is constitutional and it is absolute. You can try to ignore it or fight it if you wish, you can try to find grey areas if you wish, loopholes etc....but it remains fact, article 7 itself establishes "Suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law", the law does not allow anyone rights to bear firearms without a licence in the UK. All successive firearms laws stand without any need for repeal due to the very nature and wording of the bill you are using as an example. I am sure the governments over the last 340ish years have been well aware of that fact and therefore have no obligation or need to repeal an article of the bill that makes their laws lawful regarding the right to bear arms. If you understand that the English Bill Of Rights is wholly legal and the basis of both Government and Crown Secession and that the Magna Carta is a binding national document and charter of rights then by that very definition the Article you quote serves to underline and make absolute the successive laws regarding the right to bear arms. Simply put, the 1988 Firearms act is completely legal and is not in breach of article 7, it is in fact lawful by article 7's very wording. Therefore centre fires have to be bolt action or straight pull etc. So, i still say no....Article 7 of the English Bill Of Rights does not make the ban on semi-auto centre fires null and void, no, it does not give citizens the right to bear arms. It only gives citizens the right to bear arms under conditions of the law. The law states that you must have a license for gun ownership and has strict laws upon what kind, under law defined by article 7 itself. What we are left with is a right to apply for firearms and/or shotguns, but only under the law as set down by the English Bill Of Rights. So, no...we do not have an unconditional constitutional right to bear arms in the UK. Only a constitutional right to bear arms suitable to the condition of the bearer and as allowed by law.
AAA for me, saying thst, most of the foxes I've shot with a shotgun have been with 50g 0 or 2
what is the least ( smallest) legal round for a boar in the UK ?
Hi most police forces will insist on. 308 for wild boar in uk. Hope this helps or check with your local feo. Cheers Tony
At present there is no legal minimum ,though firearms guidance recommends a minimum of 270 .
how about a 30-30 or 45-70?
@@shrimpy8188 not in the uk sadly our wonderful goverment would not trust us
When government takes you gun, it's because they're about to do something they know you're going to shoot them for.
What do you have against foxes?
U shoud go camping for 1 or 2 day or a week and hunt or you can do a catch and cook
I do have something planned, not until spring though!
@@srspower yessssssss
Lol miss these videos from years ago
What type are the plastic wads, I know they are 12 gauge what brand
I like 00 or 000 for wild board but for foxes size animals I like 0000 buckshot, bb for something like Canadian goose size I would use
Can you shoot that gold car? I wanna see how strong it is.
Hello from Sweden 🇸🇪
Tom has a nice mossberg 500
both would kill a fox, and with BB you may need a second shot, maybe try triple A
Sg stands for small goose LG large goose
Well, if you must use a shot gun on foxes or coytes ( for that matter ) I'd prefer to have BB loads. otherwise, of course, a rifle.
Defo the bb for foxes wouldnt waste my time with sg ive killed several foxes at 40 yards with 32gram no.5 shot but i use 42gram bb shot
How many mm are the BBs and the Bucks?
can i use bb cartrifges with a Hatsan Escort semi auto shotgun , for foxes?
Yes you can
i use a 12 gauge in bb fights just in case someone cheats.
Devastating round ...dropped a six point at 30 yards like a stone...perfect self defense round # 3..
what is the fpe per BB ?? 190 for the SG´s...
Love your vids
Thanks for watching Ross :)
Cracking vid butty bach
been to long since you put a video
Sg’s will go through a bore shoulder exiting out the it other shoulder at 30 yards full choke. Not that great for the gun if you use them all the time.
(That constant traffic noise..)
Lead bb’s will drop a grown man at 40 yards.
Buy a kicks choke
Moral of the story only shoot foxes with a rifle
I find it quite funny when I hear about using SG for little creatures like foxes, for which I wouldn't even use AAA. BB is wayyyy good enough! One uses SG -- or REALLY serious would be LG at best -- for a 475 pound wild boar! And I mean a PROPER Asian wild boar, not the half-tame feral kind you get in the US and Australia (Thinner hides and softer tissue). One only uses a slug for something as tough as a wild boar if you want to blow a big fat hole in it!
ricochet off old nail/staple and into car. Now that would of been funny. Poor book of dreams..
a bb is not a good all rounder😂
"..never get close enough to a fox with a shotgun.." You've obviously never spent any quality time on the back of a hilux old son.
Invariably fox gets right in there. Power is. Just remember your backstop and stop poncing
Stop shooting foxes.
Hindi m bolo yll plezz smj kuch be ni ata hhh plez translate hindi
Why do you need to kill foxes They don't do that much harm really ,I think its just blood lust! shoot clays instead more fun 😁
You clearly don't work on a farm!
Perhaps you would like to tell my 8 of chickens that were taken last night that they don't do much harm
I don't agree with killing foxes at ALL
It's done for a reason !!!
@@richardcatterall2976 I know and I agree with rabbits and shit but foxes, cmon
Yeah because morons like killing
So protecting poultry and lambs makes people morons?
That's news to me.
Speaking too much