The emission number crunchers unfortunately, thanks probably to government stat pressures 😢, gotta keep meeting your targets these days you know, like every damn company! but OEM forget to test throughly and balance reliability with modern eco friendlyness.😭 No wonder the world has gone bonkers and dishonest 😢.
Probably a design dictated by management. A rubber belt costs less than a chain, and when multiplied by millions of units, the cost adds up. It’s all about the bottom line which drives the quarterly earnings which affects stock price which results in the compensation for C-suite managers. Follow the $$$.
Well done mate,you've really filled people in on these issues, and a lot of people will be thousands of pounds better off, or have a much better engine,keep up the good work 👍🏻
@michaelc6325 trouble is with the Internet and people gassing to each other it's not scientific. As many have said ford's are really popular so relatively speaking failures are not that bad compared to issues in other makes. Like you have had a lot of Ford's and this problem has not been an issue, perhaps becoz I actually service mine 😀
The 1.2 pureshit engine is a wet belt sketch aswell as the 1.0 ecoboom. My opinion is designing ICE vehicles not to last and/or to put customers off buying them because they want us all in electric cars, just a thought.
My car is sitting at a ford lot. Engine light turned on after oil change at the dealer(always received maintenance directly from ford). Not safe to drive off so yeah. Carless.
My Dad's neighbourhad had his 2016 Focus Ecoboost 1.0 with 70 odd k on it burst into flames a fortnight ago, it was all fully serviced etc and I guessed it was an oil leak due to the Ecoboost system 🤷♂, no answer as yet, too early obviously. Thanks Lee for a very informative video as always.
Thanks for the update Lee, Ford should replace this engine for a 1KR lump. Our little C1 pop pop is now 12 years old 64k {owned from new] still giving 56/57 mpg. I also love the exhaust note reminds me of my 1970 Triumph Trident, but far slower.
Yep same here , poor little thing gets abused , bought a secondhand one 8 years ago. Just gets an oil change every year, started running rough at 70k , changed plugs £15 and all fine again.
I'm a fleet manager for a company car supply business and I've placed maybe 5000/6000 cars with the ecoboost engine and I can confirm the newer (19 plate onwards) engine is WAYYYYYYYYY better than the old engine. I've placed over 3000 Pumas/Focus with the 1L MHEV engine and we have had a much lower failure rate than pre-19. I cant say we have noticed a higher than normal fire rate in any of the Eco boost range. BMWs have the highest fire rate and this is reflected in their insurance. When ever a car gets written off we get access to the reports. I personally think Ford gets a real hard time, We have a great working relationship with them. We have had much larger issues with Audi, Volkswagen, BMW and Tesla. I personally drive a Ford Focus, that says a lot if you ask me.
Thanks for your input, very interesting. The fire question is purely based on the number that keep being posted on social media and would like to know how big this issue is or is not
@@carukchannel I cannot really comment on older Fords but we haven't had any complaints about the influx of fires. I think people's perspective is off when it comes to these "stories". People forget or don't know that Ford's are the UKs best selling car. Just the Fiesta and puma have sold tens of millions in the last 10 years so if you're looking at rates of failure it is incredibly low. Don't forget its only the people with issues will be posting issues, the 10s of millions of people who just drive their cars will be silent. Please don't get me wrong. All engines/manufacturers have issues but I find it strange that it seems to be Ford that gets the brunt of the negative press. BMW/Mini have had a VERY long standing issue with their timing chains yet most people barely report on it. The UK police moved from BMW to Ford because of their high rate of fires and unreliability. Yet barely anyone spoke about it... As someone who deals with millions of pounds worth of cars a year I find it quite odd how people cherry pick what issues to highlight.
I think you touched upon the best source of reliable data for this in your video. Insurance companies. Not sure if they'll release info but they might if it's generic ie list of makes and model of vehicles involved in a fire claim, but they may also charge for time spent. If a BBC journalist approached them, as an example, they may be more willing to help, maybe consider approaching them? Good of you to help people out like this mate, spending your own time for no other reason than to help folk that know a lot less about cars than you do. Good on ye!
The engines timing is run by a chain but It's the oil pump belt which is made from rubber is what fails/degrades then clogs the oil pickup that starves the engine of oil every ecoboom engine regardless of model has this wet belt fitted. So your car will have a wet belt running the oil pump.
The For Escape, in the USA, fitted with the 1.5 Ecoboost engine, also suffered a number of fires. These were traced to fuel lines that ran close to the exhaust manifold and deteriorated prematurely and leaked causing the fires. Ford USA recalled the affected models and repaired the vehicles. They advised owners not to drive the vehicles and offered to collect them for repair. This same engine was also fitted to the Ford Kuga sold in South Africa. Quite a number of these also caught fire, one of which resulted in the death of the driver. Initially Ford South Africa denied there was a problem with the vehicles. However the death of a driver prompted Ford to investigate and it discovered that the problem was with the head of the engine, that developed a crack which caused oil to leak and catch fire. Ford South Africa, however accepted no responsibility for the death and claimed that the Kuga in question did not suffer an engine fire, but a fire that started at the rear of the vehicle. The outcome of this case is unknown as the family of the deceased sued Ford South Africa. Ford South Africa did recall the models fitted with these so called defective heads and repaired them at their cost. Some believe that issue was the same as the one in the USA as the engines were the same. There were no issues in South Africa with the 1.0 Ecoboost catching fire. If I'm not mistaken, the 1.6 Ecoboost was fitted to Ford Vehicles sold in South Africa. There has also been no mention of the wet belt problem in South Africa.
Yeah that would've been my guess aswell, that a fuelline went kaputz. But to hear they ran it too close to the manifold is just... terrible engineering.
The Ford 1.0 EcoBoost engine fitted to the Fiesta, Focus, B Max, and some Ford Connect vans uses a wet belt that runs inside the engine. Other EcoBoost engines, such as the 1.5 and 1.6 EcoBoost, have a conventional dry timing belt, while the 2.0 EcoBoost uses a timing chain.
I have an aircross 3 cylinder 108 bop. 50,000 on the clock all service. Wasn’t going to buy because it has wet belt, but I have a brand new belts and every part needed to repair the whole thing. I’m buzzing, they also gave me a new clutch, slave cylinder brakes done all under warranty. Citroen done me proud.
Hello Liam , The 1.6 St engine has an issue with the head cracking around the spark plug holes , ( MK2 Mitch had this problem with his ) they did have a recall about cooling system on the 1.6 St .
Nearly brought a new B max 1 litre which had Eco Boost engine, really glad I brought a Meriva instead with a boring standard 1.4 litre . The Meriva may not be the most exciting and the acceleration of the standard non turbo 1.4 is poor but I won’t have to worry about a sudden engine failure.
I've always taken advice that if ever, any engine oil drips onto the drive-belt, then the contamination should always be thoroughly removed as soon as possible. The Eco-Boost's timing belt looks to be of the same material as the drive-belt. Submerging it in oil sounds disastrous, and an exercise in planned obsolescence.
Just had a problem with my 2018 Ecoboost 1.0 , a very strong smell of petrol started coming through the air vents when the car came to a stop and also on tick over , no obvious signs of a leak until I ran it into the garage and my mechanic shone a light on the fuel rail only to reveal a fine mist of fuel spraying out from a very small crack in one of the joints on the rail itself straight onto the red hot engine . Ford quoted £350 + vat for the part , then fitting on top , was very lucky to find a second hand one which has cured the problem .
I had a similar problem about a week after I changed the wet belt...( Once I felt dizzy ) So I took it back to the garage and they fixed it for free... I'm not sure if this was down to accidently nudging the fuel line while replacing the wet belt or just bad luck ? It's been 2 weeks now and I don't smell any petral though I am paranoid and the slightest smell sends my heart racing !
I currently own a post 2019 Focus 1.0 ecoboost. Being the hybrid, it's the best Ford I have ever owned.But I was aware it used a wet drive belt on the oil pump. So I asked Ford UK and the wet belt manufacturer' DAYCO "which year did the Ford factory production line first start fitting the upgraded belt with PTFE protection on the belt teeth to stop the rubber degradation' The reply was if Ford had to admit the belt needed improvement there must have been a problem with the original. So, no date will be available for mechanics to decide whether the belt in a particular ecoboost is in need of changing early.
Just think, they replaced the old normally aspirated 1.6 Sigma (Zetec SE) with this Ecoboost rubbish. That engine produced similar power, did similar real world MPG but had bulletproof reliability.
the zetec engine was bomb proof, my mate ran fiesta 1.2 zetec as a driving instructor car, gave it to his son with 270.000 on it. serviced regular not one bit of trouble
@@lancelongfield5550 could it do a million miles with the same engine and gearbox? Nope, Ford ain't that good for reliability, in fact, what number are they at in the most reliable cars in the world?
Service history is a get out clause. No servicing by Ford incudes a wet belt examination, the only thing of relevance is oil and filter change. If you do this you should be covered. I did oil changes myself (Castrol 5W20 E stop start) so I am excluded. Why did I do this? Ford became too expensive ( £162 rose to £455) and they were dangerously incompetent (brake failure after service). So I checked with several garages what oil they would use. None used Castrol and refused to use Castrol even if I supplied it! I contacted Ford asking what other brands of oil they approve for STOP START ecoboost. They did not reply. That gave me two choices. Pay stupid money to incompetent Ford grease monkeys or DIY. I chose DIY, and now if my engine goes boom, I pay the penalty for doing nothing wrong.
Good comment there Jeremy, the top brands like Castrol or even Mobil are good but the customer does pay for the huge advertising, I also go diy knowing I’ve done it properly and save a fortune, I use Westway oils found online which have excellent reviews and superb fast delivery and customer service, kind regards to you and take care, Mark from Billericay 👍😀🇬🇧🇬🇧
Well done budy we need more people like you educating people on info what will save them brewsters.my friend has just ordered a brand new one.are they still shit in 2024
Hi Lee my 1lt focus on a 67 plate has 21000 on the clock full service history brought from trust ford full service history love the car But you make me worry do l need to worry never had any issues drives like new great channel. Mate
Be prepared to get it professionally looked at, at 60k miles, or even get the weltbelt changed, either way it will fail, you will need around £1500 saved, unless Ford admit their failings and cover it for you. Good luck 🤞🏻
I just bought a 2008 Vectra 1.8 SRi. Perfectly adequate for my needs and no concerns about the latest ingenious, greenwashing ideas. I almost bought a new citroen with puretech and came close to getting a 70k miles C-Max. And if everyone did the same as me then the older cars and the newer cars would swap price tags - and rightly so, in my view. Then the car industry would have to revert to sensible design values because that's what the market demanded. Of course we still need to ensure cars are disposed of at end-of-life sustainably but that's not happening with the BEVs, definitely not.
I have a 2013 1.0 eco boost bmax so I would miss out. Had it almost 5 years with no issues, drives great, fully serviced I wondered why the quote for the cam belt change was so expensive. I have done this myself on other cars I've had, don't fancy tackling this one though.🙁
The specific grade and make up of synthetic oil that's supposed to be used in ecoboost does NOT degrade the belt, its the unburnt fuel that builds up in the oil doing the damage. Hence its essential to make regular oil changes, and make sure that any other items that could lead to extra leakage of fuel into the oil are regularly checked such as sealing rings efficient injectors etc. Town driving (idling) is particularly liable to leak fuel into oil, hence city cars needs more frequent oil changes ideally annually. Its a system that works fine in well confined conditions (Such as industrial equipment) but unrealistic in cars used by Joe Public.
Thanks for this message, I have had the belt replaced on my daughters car by a local Ford specialist, they specifically mentioned the correct oil and the need to change it at no more than 6000 miles or yearly. No matter what I do hope you are right about the correct oil does not damage the belt
We have had a 1.0 EcoBoost fiesta for ten years from almost new, been fine, I change the oil once a year, I know its at risk of failure and if it does, it will likely be scrapped and get a new car. Have to say for a 1.0 its great to drive, and its been remapped, goes pretty well.
What you could do is fit a voltmeter on the dash with the +ve fused wire on the battery and -ve to body. If you smell something ominous and the needle has fallen from about 14 to about 12 its time to park up and unstrap the kids from the back seat. However this will of course only apply with electrical faults not fuel spillage. My dolomites have been saved due to a gauge on the dash.
Holy crap, I have a 1.0 auto so not only do I have to worry about an engine failure which causes brake failure bow I have to worry about the engine catching fire....
Stellantis need to start coughing up , I have a Vauxhall crossland with the 1.2 puretech engine 71 plate I noticed the belt on inspection was severely cracking I called the dealership who had it in for diagnostic check they said yes it needs changing you need to leave it with us they then said we can’t do it under warranty as you have no check engine faults coming up even though they said it needs changing so to get car back I had to cough up I have reported this to Vauxhall who say we think warranty should of covered it so I have to wait now while they argue it out to see if I get refunded .
I have a 68 plate grandland x 1.2 turbo with 33k miles which had the same problem of cracked cam belt - which can be seen through the oil filler cap. Took the car to the main Vauxhall dealership and they said they could not raise a complaint with Vauxhall uk as no warning lights had come up. I went straight to Vauxhall complaints department- found online and raised the issue with them showing photographic/ video evidence of the cracked belt. Two days later I had a phone call back to say they would honour a repair up to £2k. It was booked in at the same dealership that I bought the car from and repaired at no cost to myself. I strongly advise that you contact Vauxhall complaints department and raise this issue. Good luck.
Te get rid theres not even a sensor saying will overheat.. will just go mine warp cylinder head and cracked with coolant coming out of exust , sold it asap we buy any car
Whilst waiting for the wife in Sainsburys car park recently, I noticed that the car next to me was a Fiesta with the Ecoboost engine. When the driver returned I asked her if she was up to date with the current situation regarding this engine. She replied that she wasn’t really interested as the Fiesta was only a courtesy car whilst her Range Rover Evoque was in the garage for the umpteenth time. She assured me that once it was returned to her she was getting rid of it. I vaguely remember that the Range Rover was once voted the car most likely to leave you stranded at the side of the road.
I have a 2016 1.0 ecoboost at 93000 miles but haven't had any breakdowns, thank God, but from what you're saying it seems they will only repair when something's already broken down or did I misunderstand it? Would this good will repair apply to my case that nothing's happened yet?
@@simonh870 of course it costs them, but all they end up doing is kicking the can down the road. They still end up paying. Better to resolve this asap and not piss you customer base off.
Had my belt changed pre-emptively on my 2013 cmax by an independent garage at about 96000 miles last year. The quote was £2000 by Ford and £1200 from independent garage so I went with the cheaper option. The garage botched the job and I had bent valves several months later due to I presume their timing instrument being out of spec so my check engine light went off and car failed MOT. If I wanted to drive again I had to go to Ford and had to pay almost £4000 for all the labour and parts that had to be changed. They also botched the job as their timing instrument was also inaccurate due to wear and check engine light kept coming on with camshaft timing issues. They repaired in warranty and timed again. What I'm trying to say is that even the authorised Ford garage make mistakes on this maintenance. It is a huge job they cost me the price of the car at the time and even though the rest of my Cmax is fine and I'll drive it until it dies, I'm not buying a Ford again. I totally should have sold it before it turned 10 and bought something else.
The issue can't be rectified by them as it's internal, they would have to change complete powerplant but redesign it first. Compared to Opel it isn't a viable option. Their cranks tend to wear and rattle after pumps get blocked, cat starts to overheat, then stuff melts at the front of the engine.
As far as I was aware there was a recall on the 1.6 ecoboost that retrofitted a coolant level sensor as they were burning through coolant due to whatever reason (cracked expansion tanks, leaking lines, especially the smaller plastic coolant return line that snakes around the engine bay), and upon overheating the head would crack and any oil leaking out could get on the exhaust and catch fire. Ford refused to do this on my car so I can only presume it's an American recall and it overheated very quietly on cruise control and cooked the head. It's been laid up for a year now because I can't afford to replace the engine.
Hi Lee, Flfor some reason, Ford did change their older wet belt system on later cars, however the facelifted fiesta without MHEV technology have got the older wet belt engine, which doesn't make sense?!! They are the same exact engine as the ones that Ford are 'repairing for free', before 2019. Maybe because it's not as old yet or Ford know that there are going to be so many on the road, they don't want to pay out on newer cars. Would like to know your thoughts on them bringing back the older engine in the facelifted fiesta with 95ps. Thanks.
I've got a 2015 Focus, serviced by a Ford Dealer from day one. At 60,000 miles I chose to have the wet belt replaced at a cost £1100. Can I get a refund?
After 2019, Ford introduced an updated 1L EcoBoost engine which replaced the welt timing belt with a chain driven one, great! But they still have an oil wet belt, bad! This fails and the whole lot has to come off anyway afaik 😂
What happens with the 19 on, are they slightly different? Also what are the new engines? Are they completely the same? Had a chance to get a 20 plate 1.0 155 focus, but changed my mind with all this going on! Went and got a Kia on a lease instead!
If Ford are willing to replace the EcoBoost engines if they fail under the goodwill scheme, shouldn’t they put a different and better type of engine in rather than the same 1.0 EcoBoost engine with the wet belt system?
I have also a focus mk3.5 1.0 st line 2018 and I am completely satisfied with it, in all fields. But I service it annually with oil changes annually, or every 7.500 km with the recommended oil. In Greece the average air temperature is significantly higher than Britain, but although I hadn't reliability problems. It's completely true what stated by other commentators that almost all turbo engines from 2007 on have their own problems that not all appear in the Internet forums. Add to that that most people do not use and maintain them correctly, as well as that engines like the ecoboost are receiving catastrophic tuning from #technicians # not knowing what they are doing and hence you have the result commented in this video which in most cases is thrown to the manufacturer. The Internet is full of ecoboost 1.0 tuning to 160-180 hp, with changes only to the program and the peripherals. How long you think they will survive? But there is a video on the HOLLAND AUTO WEEK magazine of a red fiesta tuned to 160 hp which at the time of test had more than 326.000 km.
Are these 1lt Ecoboost wet belt engines also in the Ford Puma’s ? I’ve a Fiesta Diesel which is unavailable now so, if anything happened to it, the smallest Ford is now a Puma.
Mine is at 63,000 miles, change the oil every 5000 miles, motorway driving every couple of weeks to allow built up fuel residue to burn off, allow engine to fully warm up and no issues so far. I am aware failures happen this is just my experience. I love my car but I am aware that ultimately I am going to have to pay approximately £1500 to change the belt prematurely and it does concern me quite a bit. The engine is perfect otherwise given I am 20, it's cheap to insure and gives enough power to not be left behind by everybody, just a shame I'm going to have to get a loan to cover this non negotiable cost
cost me £677 to replace wet belt in my corsa after 38000 mile, only had car since jan 2024, other 3 services used ow30 oil, i had that took out a month after wet belt change an ow30 oil an now have ow20
I've got a ford puma 1ltr eco boost. It says 2 years or 18000 miles service intervals which ever first but I service mine every year about 8000 miles. But the service light came on a week before it was booked in ,so a year early so it shows not always go by manufacturer recommendations
To give the uninitiated some idea, we currently have a family members Ford Focus 1.0L EcoBoost 2013 in the garage having an emergency repair now. 75k miles and the pump strainer is blocked full of belt debris, causing oil starvation, and hence why there was sudden limp mode or loss of boost or power. Belt nearly snapped! Time consuming job, special tools needed to lock the engine timing. Qoutes as low as £800 - £1200, Turbocharger also being replaced. Be prepared to shell out every 60k miles for a new weltbelt or new engine if you forget replacing 😎 Thanks Ford for keeping your emissions in line with government regulations, and building an unreliable engine, I dont suppose your lawyers want to recall all the 1L EcoBoost engines you manufactured on this planet for a free wetbelt replacement every 60k miles no? Might give Ford's accountants a bit of a financial headache this one, but least the 'get out clause' of FSH replacements helps make you feel better 😉. As a long time Ford owner, I dont think i like their vehicles anymore.
My ecoboost failed due to wet belt system back in January. Local dealer wanted nearly £3000 to fix it. Went to an independent garage who charged £1600. That seemed like the logical thing to do at the time. Now that Ford are offering to cover the cost of the work, they are refusing to pay me because I used a non Ford garage. So I'm still out of pocket. Anybody else with similar experience? I expect many would have. done the same.
Maybe it's more important to hear from people who have had underbonnet fuel leaks so we can see what's causing them - probably too late to diagnose if there's a fire which destroys the evidence.
What if you purchased a used car direct from Ford an some of the history was missing at purchase? this is the situation im in, but i havent had an issue yet, 1.0 focus ecoboost 2017 reg
what about people who had there repairs done at independent garages after ford refused warranty claim ? also what about the ford Transits ? with the crappy eco blue engine ?
Hi, what does the update include, does it change the wet belt to the newer chain drive. I don't have this type of engine but I know a few people with it that I have informed them of this recall update
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A fabric/leather belt of some kind running in oil, what genius thought that one up.
Someone that has ruined ford.
@@eddiek821 Yes, spot on.
The emission number crunchers unfortunately, thanks probably to government stat pressures 😢, gotta keep meeting your targets these days you know, like every damn company! but OEM forget to test throughly and balance reliability with modern eco friendlyness.😭 No wonder the world has gone bonkers and dishonest 😢.
Probably a design dictated by management. A rubber belt costs less than a chain, and when multiplied by millions of units, the cost adds up. It’s all about the bottom line which drives the quarterly earnings which affects stock price which results in the compensation for C-suite managers. Follow the $$$.
@albertsmith1048 Sold my ecoboost last week not worth the risk a ticking time bomb and the cost of a belt change is ridiculous 🙃.
Well done mate,you've really filled people in on these issues, and a lot of people will be thousands of pounds better off, or have a much better engine,keep up the good work 👍🏻
Wouldn't touch any vehicle with a Ford ecoboost engine with a barge pole, not even a brand new one under the Ford manufacturer warranty.
Current US ford engines have the oil pump drive by a wet belt! Non keyed drive pulleys etc. just a time bomb.
@@RAGNAAAAyes they are nice. People can choose what they want
I have had fords for over 30 years and had eco boost engine for the last 10 years and I haven’t had a single issue with them
@michaelc6325 trouble is with the Internet and people gassing to each other it's not scientific. As many have said ford's are really popular so relatively speaking failures are not that bad compared to issues in other makes. Like you have had a lot of Ford's and this problem has not been an issue, perhaps becoz I actually service mine 😀
Fords are one of the most reliable cars out there. Drive a BMW or VAG car if you want issues
The 1.2 pureshit engine is a wet belt sketch aswell as the 1.0 ecoboom.
My opinion is designing ICE vehicles not to last and/or to put customers off buying them because they want us all in electric cars, just a thought.
They changed the puretech to chain a year or 2 ago although personally I’d want one checked for which type it has.
Pureshit and Ecoboom 🤣
why would one company want to do that with ICE, would help if garages serviced their cars with correct oil
My car is sitting at a ford lot. Engine light turned on after oil change at the dealer(always received maintenance directly from ford). Not safe to drive off so yeah. Carless.
My Dad's neighbourhad had his 2016 Focus Ecoboost 1.0 with 70 odd k on it burst into flames a fortnight ago, it was all fully serviced etc and I guessed it was an oil leak due to the Ecoboost system 🤷♂, no answer as yet, too early obviously. Thanks Lee for a very informative video as always.
They have known about the problems for years, yet still sold them to customers.
Would probably bankrupt them if they had to legally recall every wetbelt engine produced by them on the planet and in the future 😂
Bit like many things in life!
This is Ford’s 737 moment.
Thanks for the update Lee, Ford should replace this engine for a 1KR lump. Our little C1 pop pop is now 12 years old 64k {owned from new] still giving 56/57 mpg. I also love the exhaust note reminds me of my 1970 Triumph Trident, but far slower.
Yep same here , poor little thing gets abused , bought a secondhand one 8 years ago. Just gets an oil change every year, started running rough at 70k , changed plugs £15 and all fine again.
100k on daughters new battery and exhaust and hone servicing. Started burning oil, cleaned pcv and no oilconsumption
Just bought a c1 for newly passed daughter. If you stay ontop of the corrosion underneath, they last forever
@@at0micsheep Lanaguard works well underneath and in the inner doors, so easy to use
I'm a fleet manager for a company car supply business and I've placed maybe 5000/6000 cars with the ecoboost engine and I can confirm the newer (19 plate onwards) engine is WAYYYYYYYYY better than the old engine. I've placed over 3000 Pumas/Focus with the 1L MHEV engine and we have had a much lower failure rate than pre-19.
I cant say we have noticed a higher than normal fire rate in any of the Eco boost range. BMWs have the highest fire rate and this is reflected in their insurance.
When ever a car gets written off we get access to the reports. I personally think Ford gets a real hard time, We have a great working relationship with them. We have had much larger issues with Audi, Volkswagen, BMW and Tesla.
I personally drive a Ford Focus, that says a lot if you ask me.
Thanks for your input, very interesting. The fire question is purely based on the number that keep being posted on social media and would like to know how big this issue is or is not
@@carukchannel I cannot really comment on older Fords but we haven't had any complaints about the influx of fires. I think people's perspective is off when it comes to these "stories". People forget or don't know that Ford's are the UKs best selling car. Just the Fiesta and puma have sold tens of millions in the last 10 years so if you're looking at rates of failure it is incredibly low.
Don't forget its only the people with issues will be posting issues, the 10s of millions of people who just drive their cars will be silent.
Please don't get me wrong. All engines/manufacturers have issues but I find it strange that it seems to be Ford that gets the brunt of the negative press.
BMW/Mini have had a VERY long standing issue with their timing chains yet most people barely report on it. The UK police moved from BMW to Ford because of their high rate of fires and unreliability. Yet barely anyone spoke about it...
As someone who deals with millions of pounds worth of cars a year I find it quite odd how people cherry pick what issues to highlight.
Best 3 cylinder is 1 KRFE
Well said, 100% agree!@@kingsknightuk
Interesting thanks for your experience, but I guess we'll wait until 2029 to see how many post 2019 engine owners are still happy 😂.
I think you touched upon the best source of reliable data for this in your video. Insurance companies. Not sure if they'll release info but they might if it's generic ie list of makes and model of vehicles involved in a fire claim, but they may also charge for time spent. If a BBC journalist approached them, as an example, they may be more willing to help, maybe consider approaching them? Good of you to help people out like this mate, spending your own time for no other reason than to help folk that know a lot less about cars than you do. Good on ye!
FOI request to insurance companies, I believe they have to reply.
My 2022 ford puma is an ecoboost but it’s chain driven (it’s superb to drive) best car I’ve ever owned !
Oil Pump is still rubber belt drive on these.
The engines timing is run by a chain but It's the oil pump belt which is made from rubber is what fails/degrades then clogs the oil pickup that starves the engine of oil every ecoboom engine regardless of model has this wet belt fitted. So your car will have a wet belt running the oil pump.
@@Tedjenkins55And if I'm correct in saying this, you still have to take all that shit off to just change the oil wet belt? 😂
@@Tedjenkins55it'll be fine
Just ensure it maintained to the correct intivals and use 5w 20 ford eco boost oil
The For Escape, in the USA, fitted with the 1.5 Ecoboost engine, also suffered a number of fires. These were traced to fuel lines that ran close to the exhaust manifold and deteriorated prematurely and leaked causing the fires. Ford USA recalled the affected models and repaired the vehicles. They advised owners not to drive the vehicles and offered to collect them for repair.
This same engine was also fitted to the Ford Kuga sold in South Africa. Quite a number of these also caught fire, one of which resulted in the death of the driver. Initially Ford South Africa denied there was a problem with the vehicles. However the death of a driver prompted Ford to investigate and it discovered that the problem was with the head of the engine, that developed a crack which caused oil to leak and catch fire. Ford South Africa, however accepted no responsibility for the death and claimed that the Kuga in question did not suffer an engine fire, but a fire that started at the rear of the vehicle. The outcome of this case is unknown as the family of the deceased sued Ford South Africa. Ford South Africa did recall the models fitted with these so called defective heads and repaired them at their cost.
Some believe that issue was the same as the one in the USA as the engines were the same. There were no issues in South Africa with the 1.0 Ecoboost catching fire. If I'm not mistaken, the 1.6 Ecoboost was fitted to Ford Vehicles sold in South Africa. There has also been no mention of the wet belt problem in South Africa.
Yeah that would've been my guess aswell, that a fuelline went kaputz. But to hear they ran it too close to the manifold is just... terrible engineering.
The Ford 1.0 EcoBoost engine fitted to the Fiesta, Focus, B Max, and some Ford Connect vans uses a wet belt that runs inside the engine. Other EcoBoost engines, such as the 1.5 and 1.6 EcoBoost, have a conventional dry timing belt, while the 2.0 EcoBoost uses a timing chain.
ECO Tick Tick BOOOOM. 🔥
Eco-booom
I have an aircross 3 cylinder 108 bop. 50,000 on the clock all service. Wasn’t going to buy because it has wet belt, but I have a brand new belts and every part needed to repair the whole thing. I’m buzzing, they also gave me a new clutch, slave cylinder brakes done all under warranty. Citroen done me proud.
Youll be needing to do it at your cost in 50,000 Miles time tho...
@@timbo19751975 it’ll be someone else’s then 🤣🤣🤣
My dad has a 2013 fiesta and has never had a problem with it. Great engine if treated correctly.
Is it definitely an eco boost as there were other engines available in the fiesta as well
@@paultasker7788 yes deffo an ecoboost.
The point is that a wet belt is a fundamentally stupid design in the first place! Bollocks to that; fly Lexus for zero grief!
@@newblackdog7827 if treated right the ecoboost is a great engine.
@@maynardlavery9258
No, it’s not!? It has an inherent design fault!
Saw one of these smoking by the side of the a55 north wales last week. Twenty mins later it was in flames
A55 is a good way to describe the engine
Hello Liam , The 1.6 St engine has an issue with the head cracking around the spark plug holes , ( MK2 Mitch had this problem with his ) they did have a recall about cooling system on the 1.6 St .
It’s Lee
Nearly brought a new B max 1 litre which had Eco Boost engine, really glad I brought a Meriva instead with a boring standard 1.4 litre . The Meriva may not be the most exciting and the acceleration of the standard non turbo 1.4 is poor but I won’t have to worry about a sudden engine failure.
I've always taken advice that if ever, any engine oil drips onto the drive-belt, then the contamination should always be thoroughly removed as soon as possible. The Eco-Boost's timing belt looks to be of the same material as the drive-belt. Submerging it in oil sounds disastrous, and an exercise in planned obsolescence.
Good News Lee. Should sort some out at least :) Well done for keeping up the pressure. I will never ever buy a car with a wet belt.
Respect to you for highlighting this problem.
Just had a problem with my 2018 Ecoboost 1.0 , a very strong smell of petrol started coming through the air vents when the car came to a stop and also on tick over , no obvious signs of a leak until I ran it into the garage and my mechanic shone a light on the fuel rail only to reveal a fine mist of fuel spraying out from a very small crack in one of the joints on the rail itself straight onto the red hot engine . Ford quoted £350 + vat for the part , then fitting on top , was very lucky to find a second hand one which has cured the problem .
I had a similar problem about a week after I changed the wet belt...( Once I felt dizzy ) So I took it back to the garage and they fixed it for free... I'm not sure if this was down to accidently nudging the fuel line while replacing the wet belt or just bad luck ?
It's been 2 weeks now and I don't smell any petral though I am paranoid and the slightest smell sends my heart racing !
Its good to see Ford are finally stepping up to help sort this problem re wet belts. I still wouldn't want one though
I currently own a post 2019 Focus 1.0 ecoboost. Being the hybrid, it's the best Ford I have ever owned.But I was aware it used a wet drive belt on the oil pump. So I asked Ford UK and the wet belt manufacturer' DAYCO "which year did the Ford factory production line first start fitting the upgraded belt with PTFE protection on the belt teeth to stop the rubber degradation' The reply was if Ford had to admit the belt needed improvement there must have been a problem with the original. So, no date will be available for mechanics to decide whether the belt in a particular ecoboost is in need of changing early.
Just think, they replaced the old normally aspirated 1.6 Sigma (Zetec SE) with this Ecoboost rubbish. That engine produced similar power, did similar real world MPG but had bulletproof reliability.
Since when were ford bulletproof?
the zetec engine was bomb proof, my mate ran fiesta 1.2 zetec as a driving instructor car, gave it to his son with 270.000 on it. serviced regular not one bit of trouble
@@lancelongfield5550 could it do a million miles with the same engine and gearbox? Nope, Ford ain't that good for reliability, in fact, what number are they at in the most reliable cars in the world?
@@lexrus7786 Relatively speaking. We know that Fords generally used to rust away before they had engine issues.
1.6 Zetec engine was brilliant. One of the best the market has ever seen.
1.2, 1.4 and 1.5 TSI's are very good petrol engines too.
Fuel rail on my 2014 fiesta red, pin hole in the weld smell of Fuel through the air vents. Luckily I replaced the fuel rail .
Service history is a get out clause.
No servicing by Ford incudes a wet belt examination, the only thing of relevance is oil and filter change.
If you do this you should be covered.
I did oil changes myself (Castrol 5W20 E stop start) so I am excluded. Why did I do this?
Ford became too expensive ( £162 rose to £455) and they were dangerously incompetent (brake failure after service).
So I checked with several garages what oil they would use. None used Castrol and refused to use Castrol even if I supplied it!
I contacted Ford asking what other brands of oil they approve for STOP START ecoboost.
They did not reply.
That gave me two choices. Pay stupid money to incompetent Ford grease monkeys or DIY.
I chose DIY, and now if my engine goes boom, I pay the penalty for doing nothing wrong.
Good comment there Jeremy, the top brands like Castrol or even Mobil are good but the customer does pay for the huge advertising, I also go diy knowing I’ve done it properly and save a fortune, I use Westway oils found online which have excellent reviews and superb fast delivery and customer service, kind regards to you and take care, Mark from Billericay 👍😀🇬🇧🇬🇧
Well done budy we need more people like you educating people on info what will save them brewsters.my friend has just ordered a brand new one.are they still shit in 2024
Hi Lee my 1lt focus on a 67 plate has 21000 on the clock full service history brought from trust ford full service history love the car But you make me worry do l need to worry never had any issues drives like new great channel. Mate
Be prepared to get it professionally looked at, at 60k miles, or even get the weltbelt changed, either way it will fail, you will need around £1500 saved, unless Ford admit their failings and cover it for you. Good luck 🤞🏻
@@WireSniffer£1,500 repair is a lot of money especially so, when the car is older.
@@Matty12333Exactly! Of course it is 😭
I just bought a 2008 Vectra 1.8 SRi. Perfectly adequate for my needs and no concerns about the latest ingenious, greenwashing ideas. I almost bought a new citroen with puretech and came close to getting a 70k miles C-Max. And if everyone did the same as me then the older cars and the newer cars would swap price tags - and rightly so, in my view. Then the car industry would have to revert to sensible design values because that's what the market demanded. Of course we still need to ensure cars are disposed of at end-of-life sustainably but that's not happening with the BEVs, definitely not.
I have a 2013 1.0 eco boost bmax so I would miss out. Had it almost 5 years with no issues, drives great, fully serviced I wondered why the quote for the cam belt change was so expensive. I have done this myself on other cars I've had, don't fancy tackling this one though.🙁
That’s my wife’s white focus at 13 mins!!! I’ve messaged ford waiting to hear back but they didn’t seem very pro active on the matter so far.
Thankyou for your good helpfull information , hopefully ford will do the ( good will ) for the 1.0 ecoboost engine , all across Europe
I love 23 my focus. 55mpg on cruise. 155ps when you need it. Great car
They can't have undergone rigorous stress tests to begin with, they can't 🤔
Like everything these days cheap crappy throw away society 😭
They worked perfectly in the lab, and when run to specific book conditions :) They forgot about Jow Public.
Brilliant video mate.
Also known as Eco Booooom 💥
The specific grade and make up of synthetic oil that's supposed to be used in ecoboost does NOT degrade the belt, its the unburnt fuel that builds up in the oil doing the damage. Hence its essential to make regular oil changes, and make sure that any other items that could lead to extra leakage of fuel into the oil are regularly checked such as sealing rings efficient injectors etc. Town driving (idling) is particularly liable to leak fuel into oil, hence city cars needs more frequent oil changes ideally annually. Its a system that works fine in well confined conditions (Such as industrial equipment) but unrealistic in cars used by Joe Public.
Thanks for this message, I have had the belt replaced on my daughters car by a local Ford specialist, they specifically mentioned the correct oil and the need to change it at no more than 6000 miles or yearly. No matter what I do hope you are right about the correct oil does not damage the belt
Last ford i had was a escort rs turbo back in the 90's.......
😎🤣 those were the days!
Don’t often say this…but you’re bloody awesome….
Thanks 😁👍
We have had a 1.0 EcoBoost fiesta for ten years from almost new, been fine, I change the oil once a year, I know its at risk of failure and if it does, it will likely be scrapped and get a new car. Have to say for a 1.0 its great to drive, and its been remapped, goes pretty well.
10 years!? Lexus = 30 years with zero grief. Bollocks to Ford!
What you could do is fit a voltmeter on the dash with the +ve fused wire on the battery and -ve to body. If you smell something ominous and the needle has fallen from about 14 to about 12 its time to park up and unstrap the kids from the back seat. However this will of course only apply with electrical faults not fuel spillage. My dolomites have been saved due to a gauge on the dash.
Holy crap, I have a 1.0 auto so not only do I have to worry about an engine failure which causes brake failure bow I have to worry about the engine catching fire....
And potentially break failure 🙄
If I needed something else ( I didn't ) to put me off Fords this is it
Stellantis need to start coughing up , I have a Vauxhall crossland with the 1.2 puretech engine 71 plate I noticed the belt on inspection was severely cracking I called the dealership who had it in for diagnostic check they said yes it needs changing you need to leave it with us they then said we can’t do it under warranty as you have no check engine faults coming up even though they said it needs changing so to get car back I had to cough up I have reported this to Vauxhall who say we think warranty should of covered it so I have to wait now while they argue it out to see if I get refunded .
I have a 68 plate grandland x 1.2 turbo with 33k miles which had the same problem of cracked cam belt - which can be seen through the oil filler cap. Took the car to the main Vauxhall dealership and they said they could not raise a complaint with Vauxhall uk as no warning lights had come up. I went straight to Vauxhall complaints department- found online and raised the issue with them showing photographic/ video evidence of the cracked belt. Two days later I had a phone call back to say they would honour a repair up to £2k. It was booked in at the same dealership that I bought the car from and repaired at no cost to myself.
I strongly advise that you contact Vauxhall complaints department and raise this issue.
Good luck.
I’ve got the 1.5 Ecoboost ST engine and I’ve heard that has the oil pump belt as well
Yes it does.
Te get rid theres not even a sensor saying will overheat.. will just go mine warp cylinder head and cracked with coolant coming out of exust , sold it asap we buy any car
I have had my MK4 Ford Focus 1.0 Eco Boost for 2 Years now 2020 model not even done 50K yet so far so good with mine and I get it serviced every Year
Keep touching wood.
Very wise advice @@geoffoliver6788
I wouldn't expect a 4 year old car to have issues
The magazines tell you to get the 1.0 ecoboost...I got the 1.6 normal in my 2010 Focus...200,000 miles so far and not a single problem.
Whilst waiting for the wife in Sainsburys car park recently, I noticed that the car next to me was a Fiesta with the Ecoboost engine. When the driver returned I asked her if she was up to date with the current situation regarding this engine. She replied that she wasn’t really interested as the Fiesta was only a courtesy car whilst her Range Rover Evoque was in the garage for the umpteenth time. She assured me that once it was returned to her she was getting rid of it. I vaguely remember that the Range Rover was once voted the car most likely to leave you stranded at the side of the road.
I have a 2016 1.0 ecoboost at 93000 miles but haven't had any breakdowns, thank God, but from what you're saying it seems they will only repair when something's already broken down or did I misunderstand it? Would this good will repair apply to my case that nothing's happened yet?
Last Ford I had was an 08 focus and it was probably the last best Ford I’d imagine after this eco boost saga
It’s like Ford have had their heads in the sand over this. Barmy.
It was deliberate as they knew it would cost them.
@@simonh870 of course it costs them, but all they end up doing is kicking the can down the road. They still end up paying. Better to resolve this asap and not piss you customer base off.
Had my belt changed pre-emptively on my 2013 cmax by an independent garage at about 96000 miles last year. The quote was £2000 by Ford and £1200 from independent garage so I went with the cheaper option. The garage botched the job and I had bent valves several months later due to I presume their timing instrument being out of spec so my check engine light went off and car failed MOT. If I wanted to drive again I had to go to Ford and had to pay almost £4000 for all the labour and parts that had to be changed. They also botched the job as their timing instrument was also inaccurate due to wear and check engine light kept coming on with camshaft timing issues. They repaired in warranty and timed again. What I'm trying to say is that even the authorised Ford garage make mistakes on this maintenance. It is a huge job they cost me the price of the car at the time and even though the rest of my Cmax is fine and I'll drive it until it dies, I'm not buying a Ford again. I totally should have sold it before it turned 10 and bought something else.
Another brilliant video Lee, thanks for posting.👍
I've just had a bad fuel leak around the injectors July 2024.
The issue can't be rectified by them as it's internal, they would have to change complete powerplant but redesign it first. Compared to Opel it isn't a viable option. Their cranks tend to wear and rattle after pumps get blocked, cat starts to overheat, then stuff melts at the front of the engine.
As far as I was aware there was a recall on the 1.6 ecoboost that retrofitted a coolant level sensor as they were burning through coolant due to whatever reason (cracked expansion tanks, leaking lines, especially the smaller plastic coolant return line that snakes around the engine bay), and upon overheating the head would crack and any oil leaking out could get on the exhaust and catch fire. Ford refused to do this on my car so I can only presume it's an American recall and it overheated very quietly on cruise control and cooked the head. It's been laid up for a year now because I can't afford to replace the engine.
IF they are catching fire, they should be forced into correcting the issue, ITS DANGEROUS.
Ford certainly knows
Yeah 😂 and at the same time they don't want to bloody know either 😉
Been to Prees heath this morning bud for a jag xf, I was buyer 7 so fairly quiet.
Hi Lee, Flfor some reason, Ford did change their older wet belt system on later cars, however the facelifted fiesta without MHEV technology have got the older wet belt engine, which doesn't make sense?!! They are the same exact engine as the ones that Ford are 'repairing for free', before 2019. Maybe because it's not as old yet or Ford know that there are going to be so many on the road, they don't want to pay out on newer cars. Would like to know your thoughts on them bringing back the older engine in the facelifted fiesta with 95ps. Thanks.
I've got a 2015 Focus, serviced by a Ford Dealer from day one. At 60,000 miles I chose to have the wet belt replaced at a cost £1100. Can I get a refund?
If the belt was changed due to it breaking up and you can proof that was the case or the reason for it then potentially yes
I’ve got a 2019 Fiesta, how do I know if it’s covered by Fords scheme, and what changed after 2019 ?
After 2019, Ford introduced an updated 1L EcoBoost engine which replaced the welt timing belt with a chain driven one, great! But they still have an oil wet belt, bad! This fails and the whole lot has to come off anyway afaik 😂
Post 2019 engines aren't covered in the good will program because they are still under warranty !
Warranty is only 3 years
Hi everyone, just thinking of servicing my 1.0 lt wet belt before it gives in !!!!. Can the later chain drive be retrofited to the wet belt system?
The reason Ford won’t accept after 2019 is due to the fact that he’s very similar to the Ford transit engine which has a lot of similar problems
Its a shame pugs dont follow suit ,love the shape and drive of the 3008 etc but wouldnt have one with same known problems of these wetbelts
Less you want to waste £ 6,000 on new engine get rid of them before it blows up.
Often the workshop gets a much lower pay for doing recall work for the manufacturer. This also plays in when and how well they do the work
Hey can you make a video talking about the Renault Clio Mk4?
I can't find any useful information on buying that car used.
Thanks
What happens with the 19 on, are they slightly different? Also what are the new engines? Are they completely the same? Had a chance to get a 20 plate 1.0 155 focus, but changed my mind with all this going on! Went and got a Kia on a lease instead!
If Ford are willing to replace the EcoBoost engines if they fail under the goodwill scheme, shouldn’t they put a different and better type of engine in rather than the same 1.0 EcoBoost engine with the wet belt system?
my 22 corsa with under 9 k had to have belt at its 2 year service!
They run a chain on the later 1.0 custom
@@carukchannel its a 1,2 turbo 130 bhp
I have also a focus mk3.5 1.0 st line 2018 and I am completely satisfied with it, in all fields. But I service it annually with oil changes annually, or every 7.500 km with the recommended oil. In Greece the average air temperature is significantly higher than Britain, but although I hadn't reliability problems. It's completely true what stated by other commentators that almost all turbo engines from 2007 on have their own problems that not all appear in the Internet forums. Add to that that most people do not use and maintain them correctly, as well as that engines like the ecoboost are receiving catastrophic tuning from #technicians # not knowing what they are doing and hence you have the result commented in this video which in most cases is thrown to the manufacturer. The Internet is full of ecoboost 1.0 tuning to 160-180 hp, with changes only to the program and the peripherals. How long you think they will survive? But there is a video on the HOLLAND AUTO WEEK magazine of a red fiesta tuned to 160 hp which at the time of test had more than 326.000 km.
I've a 1.0 ecoboost c max no problem apart from clutch shudder and it's very slow
Are these 1lt Ecoboost wet belt engines also in the Ford Puma’s ?
I’ve a Fiesta Diesel which is unavailable now so, if anything happened to it, the smallest Ford is now a Puma.
Yes, the pumpa uses the 1.0 eco boost
@@mdog2501Puma uses the latest Version Timing Chain with Wetbelt Oil Pump Drive.
Mine is at 63,000 miles, change the oil every 5000 miles, motorway driving every couple of weeks to allow built up fuel residue to burn off, allow engine to fully warm up and no issues so far. I am aware failures happen this is just my experience. I love my car but I am aware that ultimately I am going to have to pay approximately £1500 to change the belt prematurely and it does concern me quite a bit. The engine is perfect otherwise given I am 20, it's cheap to insure and gives enough power to not be left behind by everybody, just a shame I'm going to have to get a loan to cover this non negotiable cost
Are any of the other manufacturers doing something similar ? We have a Citroen C1 1.2 which I think is a wet belt engine .
Lee I bought a 2023 transit custom recently are these a upgraded wet belt?
Used to see Focuses on fire all the time on the motorway
I'll just stick with my Toyotas even if one of them is 20 years old
Everyone around me is having Horror stories
i contacted ford about my fiesta ecoboost engine and after sending them all relevant paperwork they basically said that they weren't interested.
cost me £677 to replace wet belt in my corsa after 38000 mile, only had car since jan 2024, other 3 services used ow30 oil, i had that took out a month after wet belt change an ow30 oil an now have ow20
Bloody typical my sister has a 1ltr ecoboost focus but it's a 2013. What mileage should we change the belts just to be safe?
I've got a ford puma 1ltr eco boost. It says 2 years or 18000 miles service intervals which ever first but I service mine every year about 8000 miles. But the service light came on a week before it was booked in ,so a year early so it shows not always go by manufacturer recommendations
What about people who scrapped their car because of the repair cost? (2016 with 40K)
Exactly!!
Was it ever possible to block the oil supply to the timing belt compartment turning it back into a normal dry belt set up ?
No
To give the uninitiated some idea, we currently have a family members Ford Focus 1.0L EcoBoost 2013 in the garage having an emergency repair now. 75k miles and the pump strainer is blocked full of belt debris, causing oil starvation, and hence why there was sudden limp mode or loss of boost or power. Belt nearly snapped! Time consuming job, special tools needed to lock the engine timing. Qoutes as low as £800 - £1200, Turbocharger also being replaced. Be prepared to shell out every 60k miles for a new weltbelt or new engine if you forget replacing 😎 Thanks Ford for keeping your emissions in line with government regulations, and building an unreliable engine, I dont suppose your lawyers want to recall all the 1L EcoBoost engines you manufactured on this planet for a free wetbelt replacement every 60k miles no? Might give Ford's accountants a bit of a financial headache this one, but least the 'get out clause' of FSH replacements helps make you feel better 😉. As a long time Ford owner, I dont think i like their vehicles anymore.
My ecoboost failed due to wet belt system back in January. Local dealer wanted nearly £3000 to fix it. Went to an independent garage who charged £1600.
That seemed like the logical thing to do at the time.
Now that Ford are offering to cover the cost of the work, they are refusing to pay me because I used a non Ford garage. So I'm still out of pocket.
Anybody else with similar experience?
I expect many would have. done the same.
Maybe it's more important to hear from people who have had underbonnet fuel leaks so we can see what's causing them - probably too late to diagnose if there's a fire which destroys the evidence.
Is this wet belt issue only automatics or manuals as well?
on the 1.0 both manual and autos suffer with wet belt issues
What if you purchased a used car direct from Ford an some of the history was missing at purchase? this is the situation im in, but i havent had an issue yet, 1.0 focus ecoboost 2017 reg
Does this include the mondeo 1.5 ecoboost engine?
what about people who had there repairs done at independent garages after ford refused warranty claim ? also what about the ford Transits ? with the crappy eco blue engine ?
Thank God I've got a Zetec. Otherwise I'd be keeping a fire extinguisher under the passenger seat 🤣
What engine they replacing it with they just putting the the ecoboost wet belt back in if so what's the point of that 🤔
Does the new good will scheme cover you if you're the second or third owner of the car or must you have owned it from new ?
What's wrong with a chain running in oil? Or is that too simple and reliable and last for ever type of idea?
Is the 1.5 ecoboost engine ok or is that bad
Hi, what does the update include, does it change the wet belt to the newer chain drive. I don't have this type of engine but I know a few people with it that I have informed them of this recall update
The 19 on engine is completely redesigned. Apart from the oil pump drive remaining as a wet belt. Doh