I'm calling you out on Baseku. He's absolutely not SSS tier, but I'd say S- tier. -Buffs to vanish in S3 helped him a lot as you can extend and sideswitch with a hard knockdown post vanish without Dragon Rush letting you extend/solo sideswitch DR openers or extend for much longer(air 236L cancel)(also true for other characters but a pretty big deal for Baseku) -Has access to + frames and mixups from Kaioken.(+ frames on "failed" super) and ground to air tracking ki blast/beams punish (Kaioken + Immediate L+M ender) -Can be played Point now too, can confirm spirit bomb pretty much from any combo and a C assist or UI A assist. (leaves you with an air dash OKI after air 236M) -Any confirms as anchor is 5k+ damage for 2 bars so GUARANTEED 2 touch with 4 bars as anchor (Limit break + 2bar super)(2 bars hard knockdown) -C assists gives him free 214S charges during combos, instead of being limited to beams and large hitstuns. -Easy rejumps combo, corner rejumps, SSJ Goku's air ki blast extension is available to Baseku too. What prevents him from being TOP TIER is his lack of "fuck neutral" button and/or low 2L, shoulder checks are passable at best, EX grab is good, other 2 are easy to react to. (which you already know, but for the sake of the comment) I myself switched from Anchor Baseku to Point, much easier in neutral with assists, surprising OKI when spirit bombing from assists. But, his insane damage as anchor and the availability of his tools without downsides now while played point I'd say he'd deserve to be right next to Kefla. All in all, I don't disagree with your placement, I just felt that you missed a few key factors of what hyped him up so much (outside of his B assist, which I also don't like)
Man just accept it, base goku have stuff and really good things like genkidama, good neutral and more things but he is not that good. The character is soo bad to open people, the M and H grabs are soo easy to bait and his low high play is really bad. The character is just really bad at opening, the only way it's doing L grab which can only be done after 5L and that make it predictable. If base goku have a low 2L then the character would be soo good at the point of being S tier but he don't have it because of that which make the character balance and solid mid near high tier
@@santi3256 you are wrong about everything you wrote, it isn't because neutral or mix ups that makes people not play base goku, it is about lower than average damage, level 3 limitations and bad assist. Base goku light comand grab can be used after any button, but if it is not a 5l or 2l then you have to delay the move a little, his left/right mix are good because of his jm has long range and conects to his 2m and his stagger pressure is ok as you can reset the block string after 5l, 5ll, 2l, 5m and 5s.
@@vinicius464able Are you talking serious?. Look i don't blame you, but you don't know too much about base goku. His A assist is really good i don't know why you say it's bad (as i say i don't know but i speculate that you don't have the character or just use it in a bad way), and he also have C assist that is a beam which is pretty nice. The damage in base goku is weird, his scaled solo combos don't make too much damage and give bad oki and no scaled combos (2M, 5M starters) make regular damage. But no scaled combos with 2 assist makes soo much damage, a lot. By the other way scaled combos with 1 assist is regular and with 2 it's average. His lvl3 is not a limitation, his lvl3 is one of the main reasons why people play it, it is soo good. And he have a lvl2 that when you are solo it makes more damage than any lvl3 in tve game. The lvl3 can also be done with some assists like goku UI A assist, look at my videos there i have some combos with that. And lot of C assist can be use for genkidama too. And yeah as you say you can do the L grab with any button but you need to delay, and what's the point on delaying? I mean the point of that grab is to do it fastly so the opponent can't react, if you can react then the L grab doesn't make sense, that's why i say you can only use it with 5L
“EX grab is good, other 2 are easy to react to” Um, have you ever really implemented use of the light grab? It’s easily one of the best and unreactable grabs in the game. Medium grab, I understand your point.
My God, ever since this game came out 2 years ago, Kid Buu and Bardock (Well, he's DLC but same applies) has always been one of the strongest characters in the game
At least most players are not using them as a crotch anymore. Every single tournament would have over 50 bardocks level 3s on stream. Shows that balance is really good, people are actually playing what they like now instead of "what's broken". (I do expect we'll see a lot of UI Goku at first though)
@@DefinitelyNotJeffDee UI Goku is such a cheap character. His jab is absurd, his 2H is such a safe tool, his 6H counter is just a pain in the butt to deal with and his damage is crazy. His only problem is his super's oki
@@pina6670 2H is actually easy to punish once you lab punishing it. It definitely took me a while to get the timing down, but once I did it was super easy. Also, you can do things to the 6H counter, so it becomes an RPS just like vanish on block is. That being said... character is still insane. Special getup animation that punishes you for being aggressive. DP setups. Frame 4 invincible EX out of his flips to punish you for trying to punish them. And he has aerial command throw resets and stuff with an assist after a soft knockdown.
@@greyalice 2H is easy to punish? Wtf it is the only 2H in the game that can't be punish in pressure, only ki blast+vanish. Any other character you can punish it with 2H or 5L
Zamasu is high tier, one of the best oki in the game crazy damage, 50/50, orb pressure, can combo off of 6 m on his own And double lvl 1 cmon of course he’s high tier
I know it does not matter at tournament level, but his C assist... That thing hits whole screen. It really wrecks people, more than you may think. Still his neutral is trash...
@@PepsiDeadpool One of the old buffs proposals was to givethe orbs beam property (not reflectable by super dash) once they are launched... But if you make them straight incvicible to super dash, you kinda loose a bit of their interest, because once you put them, you know your opponent will think about super dash, so you can throw some ki blasts, push them forward to advance and be ready to 2H them.
This is unrelated but ghiaccio means ice in Italian in fact all the names for the most part in part four are literally just Italian words. I love the part but to my Italian speaking Bain I can't help but think the names are dumb thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Snooze McNoose tbh the only thing that’s bad about him is his assist he’s op af though I like him a lot better than Vegito he’s negative af on his start up and his damage output is terrible.
Gogeta’s “counter warp grab” attack, or whatever you wanna call it, from full screen can give you a guaranteed opening for a level 5 every time if it connects. I run him at anchor and he has been responsible for so many insane comebacks for me that I can’t let him go.
Steal Johnson nice. 👍 yea he is very much my clutch fighter. I wish I saved some of my comebacks with him, and I wish the updates didn’t delete my older saves... I had a really cool comeback with him and the other fighter had nearly full health for all three fighters on their team. I felt like a God. Lol
@dylan brown i agree slightly, all of his teleports can be super dashed if timed right, autochombo is reactable, green orb is only good when in skilled hands ya know? Scary to newer players not so much to semi experienced players, just my opinion
@@timglen4229 all the pros are calling him low S tier. His teleport is defensive. Just watch hexpros video on him. Janemba is S tier. His A asisst has has the same amount of hitstun as bardock b assist and is basically a better version of vegetas a assist, he has amazing frame date and normals. Great mix, good damage, 50/50s etc.
@@hatchell18 Yeah plus his command grab get forgotten about frequently, the normal one is reactable but the EX one is actually nuts. Plus you can combo off of it
@@tundrabancho7207 not to mention you can't reflect him. His normals are so good that even after reflect he still hits you, has the best ki counter in the game, amazing neutral etc.
The pickle and the beauty about this game is that anyone can be top tier if the person playing master it. If you take for granted a master videl player, you screwed
@@LeoIsFine videl may have mediocre mix-ups,but bardock is a really honest character,if you want to open people up with bardock you either have kid buu on your team or take risks
You know, Android 16 falling down in the tiers in favor of newer characters is kinda fitting for him. Earlier in the Cell Saga, he was at the top of the power level scale, but became irrelevant as soon as Cell absorbed 18.
@@Stpierre422 Well 17 got stronger in the time between Cell Saga and Tournament of Power. Not saying it makes sense but that's how the show writers decided to do it. He is most certainly not the same strength as when he was in cell saga lol
@@Domo1180 well he was fighting alongside with Goku, Vegeta and Freeza against Jiren, all God Level warriors, the saiyans using a God form and Freeza using his Golden (that is basically God as well). But because he was training ALONE on an island, at the maximum confronting human hunters with guns (that are not a big deal even in the saiyan saga), he is at the same level of them. Makes toootal sense.
To me, Videl doesn't need reflect. Her spot dodge needs to be faster in terms of reacting after dodging. As it stands now, dodging stuff is still good, but it takes her just over 1 second to throw a punch.
Just don't take tier lists at heart man, try every character regardless of their placement. These are opinions of the guy making them. Everyone is good enough this season, just have fun : ^ )
Janemba is faaaaar from bottom 5, he’s A tier at least, he has really good mix, really good neutral, good assists, builds good bar, can corner carry from anywhere, his auto combo is pretty much Bardocks. People just don’t play him at all and in turn end up putting him so low, he didn’t even talk about him lol
i actually love Jcrofts personality and voice. Also finally a tier list i can agree with and one that puts Cooler top tier- hes such a good char he honestly has everything.
personally, I make my teams mainly off of lore, looks, personality, and gameplay, for example, my favorite team in DBFZ which I'm still improving with at the moment when I do play DBFZ was based off my favorite color combo Red and black along with their badass off the charts power from the anime is Zamasu, Goku Black, Jiren all with color 1. Anyway keep up the vids I hope u saw my 0 bar ToD with Zamasu and Jiren I tweeted
Finally someone that do the tier list like this!! It's a lot better. Know i proceed to analize it. Edit: well if you do it like the common tier list by lines it doesn't make sense lol, you need to represent if someone is higher or not
The assists Bardok uses makes immense sense not to be tense but by the end of the sentence it's because Saiyan's before the destruction of their homeworld often fought in groups of four to five on some missions. (Why I wrote an idea for Magic the Gathering of a group of Apes with provoke, they'd often provoke from afar and when someone came to scare them away there were three or four laying in wait. ~Planet of the Apes)
Baseku does have an invincible high damage super. If you do Kaioken and immediately cancel the rekka into the level 2 follow up during the cinematic animation you get an invincible frame one hit. Plus unlike the rekka it does not scale raw, so you get pretty close to lv 3 damage, particularly on limit break situations. And you can confirm it during the animation, so it's safe (you can go into kaioken, look at whether the other guy is pressing buttons and you still have time to go into the finisher if they are and instead do the safer rekka moves if they aren't to get back to neutral for just 1 bar). It's actually kinda busted on wakeup.
When he mentioned Vegitos Tick thrown and he said “it helped him a lot” I don’t think he actually knows how slow that thing is but let me enlighten people that will read this- Vegito 5L+DR is actually nearly as slow as Jirens 5H Command grab this is probably THE WORST tick 5L+DR in the game rn Gogeta might be a close 2nd
I know Super Broly technically has slow frame data on throws but his slower, off pace block strings just bully me into submission with his lows and it’s so frustrating lol
I've been playing frieza since day one. Back then he was garbage but now with everything he has, frieza is at least better than ginyu. The Golden timer not decaying during spark is insane. Have fun blocking a golden/sparked frieza. He has very good oki post lvl3 anywhere on screen. Great damage, and if you're golden you can pretty much tod off any hit, assuming you have meter. His neutral is crazy good, he can control the entire screen for half a bar. If you aren't solo with frieza using his discs in blockstrings can be really tricky to block. Lastly his a assist is bonkers in neutral and his b assist is really good for hit confirming and since it has 11f blockstun its very good for cmd grabs in blockstrings
Nappa’s ki blast is a double hit if they are standing next to him. It doesn’t need a buff. His attacks just need to come out a frame faster. He’s a good character (all of them are viable actually) but I had to let him go after Super Broly came along.
Jiren shouldve gotten alot of the stuff UI got at his launch. Its almost criminal of how badly Jiren got the shit end of the stick on his counters. Especially his ki blast counter that needs to be full invincibility like Janemba's.
If anyone talks about how good Baseku's B assist is, you need to realize it's NOT a universally strong assist. True, more meter gain helps any character long-term, but you need to build a team around it so you aren't going to lose your damage/mix while lacking an offensive assist while also planning around possible Super Spirit Bomb DHC setups.
What is they added a counter move to Videl's dodging mechanic? Like 5s and then once it's dodged you can hit a again and she'll beat the shit outta you or something.
I'mma say I think Janemba and Tien are definitely A tier, up there with SSJ Goku and them. Definitely not as bad as Goku Black and Bluegeta, probably just gotta see them more to make a better decision
Beerus needs to he right above piccalo anywhere on the screen beerus lands a 2m and you are TOD'd with 0 bar the half off ex moves rejump off his ex dive, buff to 5LL and 2S hes super solid. Beerus can block string with 236H all day untill he runs out of meter orbs are amazing bait
Gogeta is the worst because you can safely guard cancel any of his normal you dont have to take any kind of mix from gogeta, gogeta and videl are the worst In the game
IMO I think the biggest question of top/broken tier is do you hurt your team by NOT using the character in offline tourney play. In Season 1 you hurt your chances of winning if you DIDN'T use Cell and/or pre-patch Bardock, and in Season 2 you hurt your chances of winning if you DIDN'T use GT Goku. That's the question people need to be asking about UI Goku and I honestly don't know if he's there since we haven't seen any offline play with him at a high level. I honestly don't really know yet.
Verin100 Videl is underrated, people think lowly of her because of the reflect issues, but if you know how to play with her effectively, she has one of the best mix ups and pressures, which people don’t react well to as she is hardly ever seen playable. 😃
My team rn is goku black, trunks, and ui goku but I picked up trunks and I’m still training but should I switch him out for 21? I can do combos but not rly any with trunks
I've been saying Base Goku's B assist is trash since the beginning of season 3 Base Goku only has two assists Before the season dropped I thought the tradeoff for Base Goku having to charge his assist meant after a charge or two he would throw spirit bomb as kind of a super assist But nope, it's just like 2/3 of a bar lmao
Full bar once fully charged. Plus a free TOD on limit break. I guess it depends on who you're playing. It is giving up an assist, for sure, but if you have a good character who can compensate with a puppet, like 18, Videl or Ginyu you can make up for it and just go nuts on EX moves and vanish extensions. I prefer his A assist, but I honestly think his C assist is his worst. I mean, sure, it's a beam, but the only good C assists are the ones that track in the air. All the rest give you basically the same as a normal assist for twice the cooldown.
@@mademedothis424 I think beam c assist are some of the best in the game. It has all the advantages of a beam but easier confirms. Beerus has the best in the game tho
I feel like baseku is at least on par with trunks; >far better mix up with command grab >generally does more damage thanks to kaioken >better neural from ki blasts and air beam >just better normals except his heavys >better supers (it's really not that hard to combo into spirit bomb anymore. Most characters can just Z-change into it normally now) >you can use kaioken as pseudo reversal by going straight into the finisher >both get sliding from any touch (22s and air angled beam) >assists are debatably as good as each other >doesn't need to rely on sparking to open someone up I get rating one over the other, but I really don't think it's fair to put baseku an entire tier below trunks
Well with his B assist he is good mid and yeah you can z change to level him up AND THEN play him on point .... may as well just run him and his grandpa together and both use B assists with kid Buu or Yamcha or Ratku as anchor .... any of those 3 with their a assists and you have an annoyingly scary team
Blueku better than basegeta, just underrepresented. I wonder if we'll ever get tier lists based solely on character tools viability rather than how well a pro player can make them look. Sonicfox has been winning tournaments with low tier characters for years and they say the characters are actually bad, but we still put their characters at the top for some reason.
I actually mostly agree with this, but freiza is too low in my opinion and gotenks seems a bit low as well. Freiza as an anchor isn’t as good as trunks or Yamaha or Broly, but he can get some really crazy stuff going and he has a great neutral. Gotenks is still gotenks and I am not sure I would put him under people like vegito or Kefla or cooler. Overall entertaining tier list to watch!
I think alot of people are downplaying 16 a bit too much. His normals are ok, his assist is decent and he can extend combos very easily. He doesn't build a ton of bar but for neutral he had 5h with a bit of armour and he got anti air command grab. His mix and resets are a bit cheesy so I guess he might not be the best at top play but unless they can react it's still a small guess
The only guy i had a issue with ui goku was when he had a piccolo and ssj vegeta assist and spamed each and just tried to do his commang grab and it was tough for block, ui goku not as broken ss gt goku
Anyone get kinda bummed when they think their character was a sleeper pick, but it turns out every good player ranks them high after all? I'm pretty new to the game still and I picked up Cooler because he's the sickest Dragonball character of all time. My friends told me he was low tier and I kinda took pride in doing well with him. Turns out he was just a good character after all lol
did you say Goku's b assist is horrible? Interesting, though I'd obviously disagree with your opinion, I'd like to hear why you think Goku's B assist isn't viable
They should have given her gohan as a reflect he already is a big part of her game so him coming out to reflect would be a great fix
that would be awesome
And she can vanish. So it's odd that you would limit her when you've already taken some liberties in the game.
I agree
@@peytonwilliams1670 she’s been shown doing that vanish thing in dbz. Hell even hercule has been shown doing it
I'm calling you out on Baseku.
He's absolutely not SSS tier, but I'd say S- tier.
-Buffs to vanish in S3 helped him a lot as you can extend and sideswitch with a hard knockdown post vanish without Dragon Rush letting you extend/solo sideswitch DR openers or extend for much longer(air 236L cancel)(also true for other characters but a pretty big deal for Baseku)
-Has access to + frames and mixups from Kaioken.(+ frames on "failed" super) and ground to air tracking ki blast/beams punish (Kaioken + Immediate L+M ender)
-Can be played Point now too, can confirm spirit bomb pretty much from any combo and a C assist or UI A assist. (leaves you with an air dash OKI after air 236M)
-Any confirms as anchor is 5k+ damage for 2 bars so GUARANTEED 2 touch with 4 bars as anchor (Limit break + 2bar super)(2 bars hard knockdown)
-C assists gives him free 214S charges during combos, instead of being limited to beams and large hitstuns.
-Easy rejumps combo, corner rejumps, SSJ Goku's air ki blast extension is available to Baseku too.
What prevents him from being TOP TIER is his lack of "fuck neutral" button and/or low 2L, shoulder checks are passable at best, EX grab is good, other 2 are easy to react to. (which you already know, but for the sake of the comment)
I myself switched from Anchor Baseku to Point, much easier in neutral with assists, surprising OKI when spirit bombing from assists.
But, his insane damage as anchor and the availability of his tools without downsides now while played point I'd say he'd deserve to be right next to Kefla.
All in all, I don't disagree with your placement, I just felt that you missed a few key factors of what hyped him up so much (outside of his B assist, which I also don't like)
Man just accept it, base goku have stuff and really good things like genkidama, good neutral and more things but he is not that good.
The character is soo bad to open people, the M and H grabs are soo easy to bait and his low high play is really bad. The character is just really bad at opening, the only way it's doing L grab which can only be done after 5L and that make it predictable.
If base goku have a low 2L then the character would be soo good at the point of being S tier but he don't have it because of that which make the character balance and solid mid near high tier
@@santi3256 you are wrong about everything you wrote, it isn't because neutral or mix ups that makes people not play base goku, it is about lower than average damage, level 3 limitations and bad assist. Base goku light comand grab can be used after any button, but if it is not a 5l or 2l then you have to delay the move a little, his left/right mix are good because of his jm has long range and conects to his 2m and his stagger pressure is ok as you can reset the block string after 5l, 5ll, 2l, 5m and 5s.
@@vinicius464able Are you talking serious?. Look i don't blame you, but you don't know too much about base goku. His A assist is really good i don't know why you say it's bad (as i say i don't know but i speculate that you don't have the character or just use it in a bad way), and he also have C assist that is a beam which is pretty nice. The damage in base goku is weird, his scaled solo combos don't make too much damage and give bad oki and no scaled combos (2M, 5M starters) make regular damage. But no scaled combos with 2 assist makes soo much damage, a lot. By the other way scaled combos with 1 assist is regular and with 2 it's average.
His lvl3 is not a limitation, his lvl3 is one of the main reasons why people play it, it is soo good. And he have a lvl2 that when you are solo it makes more damage than any lvl3 in tve game. The lvl3 can also be done with some assists like goku UI A assist, look at my videos there i have some combos with that. And lot of C assist can be use for genkidama too.
And yeah as you say you can do the L grab with any button but you need to delay, and what's the point on delaying? I mean the point of that grab is to do it fastly so the opponent can't react, if you can react then the L grab doesn't make sense, that's why i say you can only use it with 5L
@@santi3256 Lmao. have you ever wondered why all the pro players put him in their top 10?
“EX grab is good, other 2 are easy to react to”
Um, have you ever really implemented use of the light grab? It’s easily one of the best and unreactable grabs in the game. Medium grab, I understand your point.
2:31 *That's right boys, MONDO TIER.*
No
Noah Cordero but yes
Noah Cordero but yes
Łīmbø hella no
My God, ever since this game came out 2 years ago, Kid Buu and Bardock (Well, he's DLC but same applies) has always been one of the strongest characters in the game
At least most players are not using them as a crotch anymore. Every single tournament would have over 50 bardocks level 3s on stream.
Shows that balance is really good, people are actually playing what they like now instead of "what's broken".
(I do expect we'll see a lot of UI Goku at first though)
@@DefinitelyNotJeffDee UI Goku is such a cheap character. His jab is absurd, his 2H is such a safe tool, his 6H counter is just a pain in the butt to deal with and his damage is crazy. His only problem is his super's oki
@@pina6670 2H is actually easy to punish once you lab punishing it. It definitely took me a while to get the timing down, but once I did it was super easy. Also, you can do things to the 6H counter, so it becomes an RPS just like vanish on block is. That being said... character is still insane. Special getup animation that punishes you for being aggressive. DP setups. Frame 4 invincible EX out of his flips to punish you for trying to punish them. And he has aerial command throw resets and stuff with an assist after a soft knockdown.
@@pina6670 yeah that's true, lvl3 oki sucks. And the lvl3 also do a sideswitch which is bad in goku UI because he have a really good corner carry
@@greyalice 2H is easy to punish? Wtf it is the only 2H in the game that can't be punish in pressure, only ki blast+vanish. Any other character you can punish it with 2H or 5L
Short answer: yes
Yes
Now you have 18 likes.
Be mindful, people!
Edit: shit.
@@Orangeboy1345 lmao u think im actually gonna say Thanks for likes? Its facts that hes just broken 😂
Inspyar It‘s because you have Android 18 as your profile pic 🙄 nvm
Orangeboy1345 It was a good joke, I don’t know how that flew that high over his head.
Zamasu is high tier in my heart
Zamasu is high tier, one of the best oki in the game crazy damage, 50/50, orb pressure, can combo off of 6 m on his own And double lvl 1 cmon of course he’s high tier
Zamasu is probably the most underrated character in the game besides Fatass Buu.
George Ferrera agreed no one puts respect on him or they do but no one play him
Zamasus only weakness is neutral lmao that’s it
You Zamasu fanboys need a reality check. High tier in training room maybe, lmao.
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as a Videl main, I have one thing to say: pain.
Yea let them think videl is low tier, i wreck people with her. I had a big problem finding my third character. She's that BITCH right now 😁!!!!
The keep playing against a friend and her Videl scares me
Darin Taylor facts sum people just don’t know how to deal with her😪
@@nemasis3134 Why? She needs her own tier, the character is BY FAR the worst. Im not joking when i say by far
@@jadenpalma277 how they would know to deal with her when no one play it😂. That's why videl players think videl is not that bad
Always happy to see your version of the tier list
Dang beerus is back at his old spot, it really do be like that sometimes
Beerus: What is a king to a god?
Base Vegeta: And what is a god.. TO A NON BELIEVER
Beerus: *gets destructive finished and perfect'd*
I know it does not matter at tournament level, but his C assist... That thing hits whole screen. It really wrecks people, more than you may think. Still his neutral is trash...
@@NorbitZone call me crazy but i still belive his energy balls should literaly invincible against super dash
@@PepsiDeadpool One of the old buffs proposals was to givethe orbs beam property (not reflectable by super dash) once they are launched... But if you make them straight incvicible to super dash, you kinda loose a bit of their interest, because once you put them, you know your opponent will think about super dash, so you can throw some ki blasts, push them forward to advance and be ready to 2H them.
This is unrelated but ghiaccio means ice in Italian in fact all the names for the most part in part four are literally just Italian words. I love the part but to my Italian speaking Bain I can't help but think the names are dumb thank you for coming to my Ted talk
If they'd fix Gogeta's frame data, he would be high AF!!!!
i think he needs other stuff like better knockdowns and better assists. its fine that you have to commit to certain block strings.
Snooze McNoose tbh the only thing that’s bad about him is his assist he’s op af though I like him a lot better than Vegito he’s negative af on his start up and his damage output is terrible.
I think they just need to give him better knockdowns. His frame data is bad but nothing that'll totally ruin your game
Damani Miles his frame data nothing compared to Vegitos we talking about -56 on just whiff no the only thing that’s bad about him is assist
Gogeta’s “counter warp grab” attack, or whatever you wanna call it, from full screen can give you a guaranteed opening for a level 5 every time if it connects. I run him at anchor and he has been responsible for so many insane comebacks for me that I can’t let him go.
Same I do standing H,Warp,L5 with sparking and it does 9,778 damage
Steal Johnson nice. 👍 yea he is very much my clutch fighter. I wish I saved some of my comebacks with him, and I wish the updates didn’t delete my older saves... I had a really cool comeback with him and the other fighter had nearly full health for all three fighters on their team. I felt like a God. Lol
Kris Q yea he’s really good only reason with they downgrade him is because of his assist game that doesn’t matter if you have him as a starter
you cut your explanation for Janemba
His neutral is so good
@dylan brown i agree slightly, all of his teleports can be super dashed if timed right, autochombo is reactable, green orb is only good when in skilled hands ya know? Scary to newer players not so much to semi experienced players, just my opinion
@@timglen4229 all the pros are calling him low S tier. His teleport is defensive. Just watch hexpros video on him. Janemba is S tier. His A asisst has has the same amount of hitstun as bardock b assist and is basically a better version of vegetas a assist, he has amazing frame date and normals. Great mix, good damage, 50/50s etc.
@@hatchell18 Yeah plus his command grab get forgotten about frequently, the normal one is reactable but the EX one is actually nuts. Plus you can combo off of it
@@tundrabancho7207 not to mention you can't reflect him. His normals are so good that even after reflect he still hits you, has the best ki counter in the game, amazing neutral etc.
That jab alone makes me cry.
Imagine if it was 6 frame lul
Hey jmcrofts just wanted to say I love your vids and I wish you all the best keep up the good work :)
The pickle and the beauty about this game is that anyone can be top tier if the person playing master it.
If you take for granted a master videl player, you screwed
Yeah but who is gonna win: a player that mastered videl or a player that mastered bardock
The answer is the bardock player
Leo Bernal i think videl as way more damage and mix ups than bardock
@@LeoIsFine good point
@@tewingus1909 one of videl biggest problems is that she doesn't do a lot of damage. She also has no 50/50's while bardock does.
@@LeoIsFine videl may have mediocre mix-ups,but bardock is a really honest character,if you want to open people up with bardock you either have kid buu on your team or take risks
Thanks for the list Dotodoya, have a good one :D
You know, Android 16 falling down in the tiers in favor of newer characters is kinda fitting for him. Earlier in the Cell Saga, he was at the top of the power level scale, but became irrelevant as soon as Cell absorbed 18.
17*
Baccega Joestar with how strong 17 was in the tourment of power makes no sense how cell even absorbed him aha
@@Stpierre422 Well 17 got stronger in the time between Cell Saga and Tournament of Power. Not saying it makes sense but that's how the show writers decided to do it. He is most certainly not the same strength as when he was in cell saga lol
Sergio R. Why doesn’t it make sense? He’s been doing nothing but training just like everyone else. He just hasn’t been on screen for it.
@@Domo1180 well he was fighting alongside with Goku, Vegeta and Freeza against Jiren, all God Level warriors, the saiyans using a God form and Freeza using his Golden (that is basically God as well). But because he was training ALONE on an island, at the maximum confronting human hunters with guns (that are not a big deal even in the saiyan saga), he is at the same level of them. Makes toootal sense.
To me, Videl doesn't need reflect. Her spot dodge needs to be faster in terms of reacting after dodging. As it stands now, dodging stuff is still good, but it takes her just over 1 second to throw a punch.
I appreciated this list. I'm just getting into DBFZ with a few friends I met through Discord. Looking forwards to your future content!
Welcome to the fighterz family
Just don't take tier lists at heart man, try every character regardless of their placement. These are opinions of the guy making them. Everyone is good enough this season, just have fun
: ^ )
Could you try and find out the "Most used characters" online and offline and make a video about it Mr Crofts??
I second this, it sounds very fun to watch.
its always the newest character so i highly depends on the time
Rooflemonger did that in season 2
Janemba is faaaaar from bottom 5, he’s A tier at least, he has really good mix, really good neutral, good assists, builds good bar, can corner carry from anywhere, his auto combo is pretty much Bardocks. People just don’t play him at all and in turn end up putting him so low, he didn’t even talk about him lol
i actually love Jcrofts personality and voice. Also finally a tier list i can agree with and one that puts Cooler top tier- hes such a good char he honestly has everything.
hi man love your content, keep it up
Literally Janemba was so forgettable you cut the part where you talk about him.
Damn does janemba suck
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Normals are slow?
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure gut-punch goes through 90% of the moves in the game
yeah but its slow
It is insane. But can’t deny that it is a slow normal
personally, I make my teams mainly off of lore, looks, personality, and gameplay, for example, my favorite team in DBFZ which I'm still improving with at the moment when I do play DBFZ was based off my favorite color combo Red and black along with their badass off the charts power from the anime is Zamasu, Goku Black, Jiren all with color 1. Anyway keep up the vids I hope u saw my 0 bar ToD with Zamasu and Jiren I tweeted
Finally someone that do the tier list like this!! It's a lot better.
Know i proceed to analize it.
Edit: well if you do it like the common tier list by lines it doesn't make sense lol, you need to represent if someone is higher or not
The assists Bardok uses makes immense sense not to be tense but by the end of the sentence it's because Saiyan's before the destruction of their homeworld often fought in groups of four to five on some missions.
(Why I wrote an idea for Magic the Gathering of a group of Apes with provoke, they'd often provoke from afar and when someone came to scare them away there were three or four laying in wait.
~Planet of the Apes)
Baseku does have an invincible high damage super. If you do Kaioken and immediately cancel the rekka into the level 2 follow up during the cinematic animation you get an invincible frame one hit. Plus unlike the rekka it does not scale raw, so you get pretty close to lv 3 damage, particularly on limit break situations. And you can confirm it during the animation, so it's safe (you can go into kaioken, look at whether the other guy is pressing buttons and you still have time to go into the finisher if they are and instead do the safer rekka moves if they aren't to get back to neutral for just 1 bar). It's actually kinda busted on wakeup.
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you skipped Janemba WTF !
What are your thoughts about my man Janemba ?
I don't know why, but I fuckin' _love_ tier list discussion videos.
When he mentioned Vegitos Tick thrown and he said “it helped him a lot” I don’t think he actually knows how slow that thing is but let me enlighten people that will read this-
Vegito 5L+DR is actually nearly as slow as Jirens 5H Command grab this is probably THE WORST tick 5L+DR in the game rn Gogeta might be a close 2nd
I’m impressed by the fact that 4/5 SS tiers are dlc characters lol
I never thought I’d hear “UI Goku” and “slow” in the same sentence
A lot of his moves ARE slow purely by the numbers, he just has tools and hitboxes to more than make up for it.
@@truesteel9149 that jab tho
@@pina6670 A frame 7 jab being "slow" just seems bullshit to me. lol
Oliver Xu go in game and jab as ui goku because you must not be looking at your screen
Oliver Xu compared to the rest of the cast it is slow
I know Super Broly technically has slow frame data on throws but his slower, off pace block strings just bully me into submission with his lows and it’s so frustrating lol
*starts stomping will malicious intent*
Awesome video!
I've been playing frieza since day one. Back then he was garbage but now with everything he has, frieza is at least better than ginyu. The Golden timer not decaying during spark is insane. Have fun blocking a golden/sparked frieza. He has very good oki post lvl3 anywhere on screen. Great damage, and if you're golden you can pretty much tod off any hit, assuming you have meter. His neutral is crazy good, he can control the entire screen for half a bar. If you aren't solo with frieza using his discs in blockstrings can be really tricky to block. Lastly his a assist is bonkers in neutral and his b assist is really good for hit confirming and since it has 11f blockstun its very good for cmd grabs in blockstrings
I swear no matter what game I play my favorite characters are always average or low tier.
But I love Zamasu/Jiren/Black lol.
I run Jiren Mid too, Vegito/Jiren/UI Goku
Zamas is definitely above average.
I'm liking jiren, but his command throw disappoints me to no end.
I just started watching ur channel and u have great content. But man.... u have one hell of a death stare😂
I awaited the day to see that cooler tops his brother in tier. 😊😊
Having Z Broly in top tier is 👌🏻I love that your list doesn’t conform to most lists I’ve seen. Great video 😁
Learn what the word conform means
Nappa’s ki blast is a double hit if they are standing next to him. It doesn’t need a buff. His attacks just need to come out a frame faster. He’s a good character (all of them are viable actually) but I had to let him go after Super Broly came along.
Did he jump cut his own review of jenemba
Jiren shouldve gotten alot of the stuff UI got at his launch. Its almost criminal of how badly Jiren got the shit end of the stick on his counters. Especially his ki blast counter that needs to be full invincibility like Janemba's.
If anyone talks about how good Baseku's B assist is, you need to realize it's NOT a universally strong assist. True, more meter gain helps any character long-term, but you need to build a team around it so you aren't going to lose your damage/mix while lacking an offensive assist while also planning around possible Super Spirit Bomb DHC setups.
Base Goku is a good anchor , B Assist helps a lot with a lot of characters that uses so much EX skills, Trunks Vegeta and the likes
What is they added a counter move to Videl's dodging mechanic? Like 5s and then once it's dodged you can hit a again and she'll beat the shit outta you or something.
That feel when you play Yamcha because you're a fan of the OG Dragon Ball and our boy says this... 6:30
😢
Your Base-ku and S-Broly are severely underrated bro
I'mma say I think Janemba and Tien are definitely A tier, up there with SSJ Goku and them. Definitely not as bad as Goku Black and Bluegeta, probably just gotta see them more to make a better decision
I agree zelos
Beerus needs to he right above piccalo anywhere on the screen beerus lands a 2m and you are TOD'd with 0 bar the half off ex moves rejump off his ex dive, buff to 5LL and 2S hes super solid. Beerus can block string with 236H all day untill he runs out of meter orbs are amazing bait
Telling you beerus is solid A tier this season. Right below ss vegeta and above piccalo
Gogeta is the worst because you can safely guard cancel any of his normal you dont have to take any kind of mix from gogeta, gogeta and videl are the worst In the game
I want a fun tier list, Trunks would definitely be the best
I like trunks but my idea for the best is *cooler*
Base vegeta trunks and bardock are the funnest. Hence my team lol
YungKiwi I just met you and I already hate you
Wonderful Resonance so cold hearted... you’ve been in the *frieza* for too long my friend.
Beerus and nappa bro. I suck ass with them online but they have super fun game plans
i love you for starting with s tier
I really don't know anything about all these terms like 5a 6h or z-b-c asissts... i just watch some people play because it's look cool xD
IMO I think the biggest question of top/broken tier is do you hurt your team by NOT using the character in offline tourney play. In Season 1 you hurt your chances of winning if you DIDN'T use Cell and/or pre-patch Bardock, and in Season 2 you hurt your chances of winning if you DIDN'T use GT Goku. That's the question people need to be asking about UI Goku and I honestly don't know if he's there since we haven't seen any offline play with him at a high level. I honestly don't really know yet.
I run UI Goku, Goku Black, and BlueKu and honestly I havent had any complaints with the team do far
Videl mains be like "Whoa!!"
It's clear jmcrofts has never properly been dodge punished, like, I'll feckin fight ya!
Verin100 Videl is underrated, people think lowly of her because of the reflect issues, but if you know how to play with her effectively, she has one of the best mix ups and pressures, which people don’t react well to as she is hardly ever seen playable. 😃
i know shes bad, but i love videl. she may not be the best but shes pretty solid if you can get her pressure out. It's kinda insane.
Janemba is heavily underrated if you put in the work, learn some good setups he is a monster.
The fact that I'm a Yamcha main and I didn't notice he got nerfed shows how good he is
if there is one character that they should make op, is ui goku. great job fighterz
JM, i respect you but youre wrong aboutr base goku B assist lol. a safe way to charge genki dama and a free 75% bar, its a great tool!
You can DHC into baseku's spirit bomb from broly's R1 lvl1 if you do it instantly after using it
18 could be a little higher. Her Ex 17 call for half bar into guaranteed mixup is like Hellzone light that actually works.
Had me in the first half ngl, I thought you were gonna have 16/blacku/hit in a row-aka sonicfox S1 team
Yes thank you we all know ui is one of the best characters in the game he doesn’t have to block ever
He a easy mode character 😂
Spike Kakeru on god
My team rn is goku black, trunks, and ui goku but I picked up trunks and I’m still training but should I switch him out for 21? I can do combos but not rly any with trunks
I've been saying Base Goku's B assist is trash since the beginning of season 3
Base Goku only has two assists
Before the season dropped I thought the tradeoff for Base Goku having to charge his assist meant after a charge or two he would throw spirit bomb as kind of a super assist
But nope, it's just like 2/3 of a bar lmao
That's what's so good about the assist, you always have meter.
Also once you've used the assist to full charge the spirit bomb he actually starts giving full bars
Full bar once fully charged. Plus a free TOD on limit break.
I guess it depends on who you're playing. It is giving up an assist, for sure, but if you have a good character who can compensate with a puppet, like 18, Videl or Ginyu you can make up for it and just go nuts on EX moves and vanish extensions. I prefer his A assist, but I honestly think his C assist is his worst.
I mean, sure, it's a beam, but the only good C assists are the ones that track in the air. All the rest give you basically the same as a normal assist for twice the cooldown.
@@mademedothis424 I think beam c assist are some of the best in the game. It has all the advantages of a beam but easier confirms. Beerus has the best in the game tho
these are some HOT takes
Bro i have to ask....... are doto without the face cam?
What happened to janemba’s part I was looking forward to that
This is the kinda pyramid structure I look for in tier list.
I feel like baseku is at least on par with trunks;
>far better mix up with command grab
>generally does more damage thanks to kaioken
>better neural from ki blasts and air beam
>just better normals except his heavys
>better supers (it's really not that hard to combo into spirit bomb anymore. Most characters can just Z-change into it normally now)
>you can use kaioken as pseudo reversal by going straight into the finisher
>both get sliding from any touch (22s and air angled beam)
>assists are debatably as good as each other
>doesn't need to rely on sparking to open someone up
I get rating one over the other, but I really don't think it's fair to put baseku an entire tier below trunks
7:50 I disagree although I'm a point Gohan main who is prob. downplaying Point AGohan is pretty meh tbh.
Best position is mid by far.
Well with his B assist he is good mid and yeah you can z change to level him up AND THEN play him on point .... may as well just run him and his grandpa together and both use B assists with kid Buu or Yamcha or Ratku as anchor .... any of those 3 with their a assists and you have an annoyingly scary team
Can you make a tier list for the online and ranked warriors? We’re not all evo material :’)
Jiren Gang: at least we're not Videl.
Blueku better than basegeta, just underrepresented.
I wonder if we'll ever get tier lists based solely on character tools viability rather than how well a pro player can make them look. Sonicfox has been winning tournaments with low tier characters for years and they say the characters are actually bad, but we still put their characters at the top for some reason.
Trunks can cross up almost instantly with ex somersault while already landing overheads
Just hard mix to execute
Man your humble because I'm an average Joe player your way better than an average Joe your very good I enjoy your videos
can you sort out all characters by role(point, mid, anchor)? I would like to know about all the characters possible roles in the game
I actually mostly agree with this, but freiza is too low in my opinion and gotenks seems a bit low as well. Freiza as an anchor isn’t as good as trunks or Yamaha or Broly, but he can get some really crazy stuff going and he has a great neutral. Gotenks is still gotenks and I am not sure I would put him under people like vegito or Kefla or cooler. Overall entertaining tier list to watch!
I think alot of people are downplaying 16 a bit too much. His normals are ok, his assist is decent and he can extend combos very easily. He doesn't build a ton of bar but for neutral he had 5h with a bit of armour and he got anti air command grab. His mix and resets are a bit cheesy so I guess he might not be the best at top play but unless they can react it's still a small guess
What is DP in this game? I come from playing some of SFV and I get the DP in SFV but not here
Ayrton Luna dragonpunch. Its the same thing, its just shorthand for meterless invincible reversals (usually uppercuts)
ItsATrap no certain character can perform it with meter and can go super
Nappa has best clap
Also no description for Janemba?
What was your reasoning for putting janemba in b tier?
Top 3 assists ( no order)
Yamcha a, bardock b, gt a honorable mentions: kid buu a, gotenks a
Do you remember when JM made that season 2 tier list with Videl as a top tier?
Based Vegeta my favorite character to play with
U tradh
On the topic of Videl not having a reflect, what if Roshi didn’t have superdash at all?
The only guy i had a issue with ui goku was when he had a piccolo and ssj vegeta assist and spamed each and just tried to do his commang grab and it was tough for block, ui goku not as broken ss gt goku
honestly im just glad frieza isnt low tier like he was at the start anymore, my boy has come a long way
i feel like he still is honestly, i feel like unless its off of disc pressure he cant really open people up.
Anyone get kinda bummed when they think their character was a sleeper pick, but it turns out every good player ranks them high after all?
I'm pretty new to the game still and I picked up Cooler because he's the sickest Dragonball character of all time. My friends told me he was low tier and I kinda took pride in doing well with him. Turns out he was just a good character after all lol
Janemba never gets any love
I always try to pull off Jiren's command grab, and I always get let down.....
Very excellent
I play vegito since release and i will always believe he is not a top tier but still a s tier... I open up and mix up everyone with him^^
did you say Goku's b assist is horrible? Interesting, though I'd obviously disagree with your opinion, I'd like to hear why you think Goku's B assist isn't viable
THIS is the list we've been waiting for
Can not wait until gogeta gets buffed
For me don't care what tier as long as you enjoy playing the character. I still love Ui, Gogeta, & Vegito