Saw the project from that reddit post. Still amused by how overdetailed and immersive you made it. I wanted to ask a few general questions but you answer nearly all on the video. Hope you continue this podcast series.
I have always enjoyed Worldbuilding and alternate history, so I REALLY enjoyed this, dude, congratulations, like, seriously, what you have done is amazing, and I hope I can do something like that someday.
This is so cool! It's absolutely inspiring to see such projects, but if I may, I feel that some of the Richness around the area of Modern Day Chile is lost... I'm absolutely and thoroughly biased, but as long as I'm putting out this opinion, even though I might not get the point across, it'll be all good; the Atacama Desert for forgein eyes might just feel like a dry extention of the Incaic culture that was somehow lost, it kinda was... But the "Despoblado de Atacama" had been such a solemn and quiet place... An unique hinterland distinct from the Peruvian Highlands + Coastal Desert and, the Andean Dry Puna, and Peruvian Coastal Desert... In many ways it's like the little dryest ocean, it's Coastal Mountain Range even separating it the sea-connected coast, not negating at all the extent in which Inca Culture extended down to these lands and coasts, but the richness of its distant nature feels somehow lost under the weight of the Tawantinsuyu of Perú. It extends for the Central Chilean Valley as well... It feels so choking for a beating heart of culture to be silenced by Transandean labels. This all comes from a place of bias, but such masterful work of art that enhances the view of those that have been silenced by history, the beautiful coasts, shores and valleys, and geography that has almost the need to spawn such distinct cultures, to feel muted! Anyways love your work!
Thanks for making that passionate case for the Atacama! To be fair, the Tawintinsuyu/Peru's four corners are hyper distinct and I'll be expanding on them in the future. There will definitely be room for distinct bioregionalism within Peru, don't you worry. The reasoning for the lore here is to have the Atacama captured by Peru before it can be captured by someone else. I thought a stronger, Qing-like Peru could limp on into the modern age despite European advances around its marches. For this project, I focused more on making space for languages and culture, but I do have a love for natural environments and physical geography. The southern suyu or corner, Qujasuyu, by the way, is a refuge of some interesting languages. Languages like Kunza, which has some revitalization efforts happening; Uru, which is severely endangered but can be revitalized; and several Matacoan languages. The lore for the Matacoan languages being found in the very southern area is that they migrated there during the conquest of Argentina and Patagonia, and merged with the local Indigenous populations, since in our world, those local languages are mostly extinct, apart from Kunza, which is moribund/dormant. Here, you can find out what languages are spoken in each autonomous political units, which I call nankiti, from nan for "road, path" and kiti for "field, area" akin to the historical Chinese political unit known as a circuit or dao: erpe.de/altera/world.html
I really love the Philosophy and creative choices driving this. About 4 years ago I really wanted to create a TTRPG about the age of sail that imagined a Different South Pacific, the possibility of “Another Australia.” I ran into strong headwinds as we are in a cultural place where folks don’t want to revisit imperialist times and will speak vociferously against any kind of escapist media-even to an alternate past. But I think you’ve got the right alchemy here and it’s inspiring me to revisit the project
That's great to hear. Yeah, you're right in that there's a fine balance to tread on for this kind of subject matter. But I haven't really seen that kind of headwind for standard or status quo Alternate History pieces myself. In fact, I would say I started my project because I was a little irked by the fact that the usual Alternate History and mapping content out there seem to float above normative considerations and judgement, simply by pulling the fiction/escapist card. They almost always are about stroking the ego of one nation in a zero sum way, and the majority of the content revolves around how different Europeans can stomp around the rest of the world as a playground.
Thank you for saying this, especially because I usually find it hard to get my project across to GIS-trained cartographers and geography academics. How did you come across my project, if you don't mind me asking?
Nice video, would love to see the creation process of making a map like this from scratch. What did it look like in the Macromedia thing? How many hours do you estimate?
Yeah, it looks very amateur on Fireworks. I can post an image on my subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/atlasaltera/ in the next few days, but I'm afraid the quality is just really bad... The creation process was, well, I was in it for the long haul. This was my hobby for about a decade, and I grew and change my perspectives over the years as I learned more. I estimate that I worked on the map about 5-10 hours a week, with a few months hiatuses peppered throughout the years. But I only started to get serious with making the work presentable in the last 2.5-3 years.
I understand how you feel. This is not a utopic vision. It's just me trying to play with a balance of two things: depicting a world that is recognizable to ours while also trying to showcase the diversity that's been buried in modern cliche geographic representations-aka the classroom map. This does some work, I hope, in informing and inspiring people to look at our very real world a little differently. To have a completely blank slate would be nice, but it would have a different effect and meaning...
Saw the project from that reddit post. Still amused by how overdetailed and immersive you made it. I wanted to ask a few general questions but you answer nearly all on the video. Hope you continue this podcast series.
Thanks! I will be uploading one or maybe two more by the end of this week. Stay tuned!
Very excited and inspired by this project
Thanks for mentioning 😊
Surprised to see my hometown of Winona Minnesota on this map!
Cool that you spotted it!
I have always enjoyed Worldbuilding and alternate history, so I REALLY enjoyed this, dude, congratulations, like, seriously, what you have done is amazing, and I hope I can do something like that someday.
Thanks man! It means a lot. I hope you subscribe to the channel and follow the website content as it rolls out.
Been following this project for a while, very excited. Maybe I can finally find out what the hell a Chernorus is and why it's so long
This is super cool, I dream about doing something like this
That's great to hear. I hope you end up doing it!
This is so cool that it makes me happy, fantastic work.
I hope you subscribe for more! And there's tons of content to catch up on, either on the website, reddit, or deviantart.
This is absolutely incredible, great job, man!
Really enjoyed this podcast!
Thank you! I was looking through your Instagram and am also impressed by your work!
@@atlasaltera Ah thank you very much! Means a lot :)
Best video ever
This is so cool! It's absolutely inspiring to see such projects, but if I may, I feel that some of the Richness around the area of Modern Day Chile is lost... I'm absolutely and thoroughly biased, but as long as I'm putting out this opinion, even though I might not get the point across, it'll be all good; the Atacama Desert for forgein eyes might just feel like a dry extention of the Incaic culture that was somehow lost, it kinda was... But the "Despoblado de Atacama" had been such a solemn and quiet place... An unique hinterland distinct from the Peruvian Highlands + Coastal Desert and, the Andean Dry Puna, and Peruvian Coastal Desert... In many ways it's like the little dryest ocean, it's Coastal Mountain Range even separating it the sea-connected coast, not negating at all the extent in which Inca Culture extended down to these lands and coasts, but the richness of its distant nature feels somehow lost under the weight of the Tawantinsuyu of Perú. It extends for the Central Chilean Valley as well... It feels so choking for a beating heart of culture to be silenced by Transandean labels. This all comes from a place of bias, but such masterful work of art that enhances the view of those that have been silenced by history, the beautiful coasts, shores and valleys, and geography that has almost the need to spawn such distinct cultures, to feel muted!
Anyways love your work!
Thanks for making that passionate case for the Atacama! To be fair, the Tawintinsuyu/Peru's four corners are hyper distinct and I'll be expanding on them in the future. There will definitely be room for distinct bioregionalism within Peru, don't you worry. The reasoning for the lore here is to have the Atacama captured by Peru before it can be captured by someone else. I thought a stronger, Qing-like Peru could limp on into the modern age despite European advances around its marches. For this project, I focused more on making space for languages and culture, but I do have a love for natural environments and physical geography.
The southern suyu or corner, Qujasuyu, by the way, is a refuge of some interesting languages. Languages like Kunza, which has some revitalization efforts happening; Uru, which is severely endangered but can be revitalized; and several Matacoan languages. The lore for the Matacoan languages being found in the very southern area is that they migrated there during the conquest of Argentina and Patagonia, and merged with the local Indigenous populations, since in our world, those local languages are mostly extinct, apart from Kunza, which is moribund/dormant.
Here, you can find out what languages are spoken in each autonomous political units, which I call nankiti, from nan for "road, path" and kiti for "field, area" akin to the historical Chinese political unit known as a circuit or dao: erpe.de/altera/world.html
This is such an interesting scenario. Thank you for making this!
Thanks! I hope you follow along and subscribe, and do have a look at the other content being produced on the website!
I really love the Philosophy and creative choices driving this. About 4 years ago I really wanted to create a TTRPG about the age of sail that imagined a Different South Pacific, the possibility of “Another Australia.” I ran into strong headwinds as we are in a cultural place where folks don’t want to revisit imperialist times and will speak vociferously against any kind of escapist media-even to an alternate past. But I think you’ve got the right alchemy here and it’s inspiring me to revisit the project
That's great to hear. Yeah, you're right in that there's a fine balance to tread on for this kind of subject matter. But I haven't really seen that kind of headwind for standard or status quo Alternate History pieces myself. In fact, I would say I started my project because I was a little irked by the fact that the usual Alternate History and mapping content out there seem to float above normative considerations and judgement, simply by pulling the fiction/escapist card. They almost always are about stroking the ego of one nation in a zero sum way, and the majority of the content revolves around how different Europeans can stomp around the rest of the world as a playground.
This is kinda blowing my mind I work with maps everyday and have rarely seen them come alive like this. This is great stuff
Thank you for saying this, especially because I usually find it hard to get my project across to GIS-trained cartographers and geography academics. How did you come across my project, if you don't mind me asking?
I am amazed at how well thought out this project is. Incredible stuff!
Thanks for saying so!
That's an amazing project! Thanks!
Thanks for saying! I appreciate you taking the time to check it out.
Damn, this is the most alternate map of all time, I still remembered some of it
Follower from Anfa, Mauritania
Man, all the way from over there eh. Awesome to hear from you!
Oh my god yes
This world is "what would have happened if centralization took off late and never in a lot of the world"
Awesome
Nice!😁 cool that some areas are preserved by society of nations)
Nice
Hmm... perhaps its time for me get back into the game... 😉
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@@simplylight4916 mfw the minnesotan
like if agree
Found this shit after you posted your video in Ollie Bye's discord
Now I'm rather intrigued
Glad you ended up checking it out, and even more glad I've managed to pique your curiosity!
Tag yourself I'm from Tennessy
Raritane represent
Belacoola.
Bengal.
State of Florida, United States of America.
Viva la Saskatchewa
Nice video, would love to see the creation process of making a map like this from scratch. What did it look like in the Macromedia thing? How many hours do you estimate?
Yeah, it looks very amateur on Fireworks. I can post an image on my subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/atlasaltera/ in the next few days, but I'm afraid the quality is just really bad... The creation process was, well, I was in it for the long haul. This was my hobby for about a decade, and I grew and change my perspectives over the years as I learned more. I estimate that I worked on the map about 5-10 hours a week, with a few months hiatuses peppered throughout the years. But I only started to get serious with making the work presentable in the last 2.5-3 years.
hii! i found this map from a reddit post and... OMG! it is SO COOL to learn fake history! Its way more fun than otl history lmao
Great to hear! And hopefully there's just enough connections to real geography to be relevant too hehe.
changing all the stuff but then having anglos colonize america, sad!
I understand how you feel. This is not a utopic vision. It's just me trying to play with a balance of two things: depicting a world that is recognizable to ours while also trying to showcase the diversity that's been buried in modern cliche geographic representations-aka the classroom map. This does some work, I hope, in informing and inspiring people to look at our very real world a little differently. To have a completely blank slate would be nice, but it would have a different effect and meaning...