What a game that people still analyse newly found race conditions after 20+ years. No other Diablo version will ever achieve this. Thanks for sharing, Llama!
The most impressive part of this is that it has existed in LoD for god knows how long and made it through maybe hundreds (maybe more?) of patches till right now
Not much to fix when you make a perfect game, wish poe took notes on how to make a game approachable and simple yet complex and with depth without making it overly stupid and absurd.
Series of small tests need to try Can another player see this state Can another player deal damage to them Can another player fear/kB/leap a spell or item with chance on hit with an issue a commanded with moment Will another player killing them Can you the player do any of the above Are either gates opened before or after they die What happens after you kill them Does a portal reset the area What happens when you kill the quest whenever another player needs the quest and they are not in same act/zone/area as the other player What happens when 2 more more players need or don't need the quest Can you test with the portal bug/glitch leaving and returning telekinesis the book and portal at the same time
Reproduced it successfully on BattleNet. Alter keeps stuck in red steam animation and ancients are spawned stuck. Once killed, they disappear and nothing else changes. No XP and no quest. Opening a portal afterwards, will again reset the scene. More research needed how to make progress.
To piggyback on this the timing of the state has to be checked, i.e. have a friend cast TP and you klick altar. Also another person posted in comments that you can stuck a character in a statue by standing on it before resetting, which sounds like a character in another state or out of bounds. This can mean duping.
my guess: the spawning animation takes longer then the despawn and cant be overwritten. once you spawn them and try to instantly despawn, the spawning animation still plays out. the spawning also removes all currently open TPs, while the game still thinks (or thought while spawning) there is a TP open in the area. this 'TP' flags/flagged the ancients as unkillable. the only way to make them killable is by removing the 'there is/was a TP here' flag. you could damage them to 1 hp, then die, then walk to the entrance of the summit and open another TP before entering the arena again, and see, if the game checks if there is currently a TP open and maybe then change the state accordingly. if that doenst work, then the unkillable-state cant be fixed/refreshed, because its permanent, and this bug is most likely a dead end. also i know that you cant use the ancients to forcespawn diaclone(?), but i am curious to see if something strange happens, when the 'dia walks the earth' flag is active and you use this spawnbug.
@@Ogokaonah, still play with buddies from time to time. We first played in 2002 and despite being 15,000 kms apart, we play. And we are from Africa, so I would imagine far more US/EU/Asia players. D2 is well loved in my country.
Are they staying frozen regardless of the source of damage you do? e.g. was every spell tried or for example attacking with pushback abilities to get them out of this state into an active state to trigger the quest?
I would start by finding a way to replicate this bug without the use of a portal. Because I'm pretty sure the portal disables the quest progression. But if there is a way to get the transition/animation race condition to occur without the use of a portal that would open up a major glitch I guess. Maybe a portal from a staff, maybe with weapon swap or something like this could work? What other ways are there which might force the ancients back into being statues?
Pop another port on the same frame the last ancient dies? Have a character start the quest first "normally", and then come in and do your trick? Some things to try.
@@fakeappellation7343the ancients quest gives a fixed amount of XP for each difficulty. For example if your level 80 or level 98 you get the same amount of XP it just appears to be less because of how much XP you need to fill your bar
@@fakeappellation7343Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, based on the way experience from most sources falls off at higher levels, the xp doesnt give a full level at 98, but does give a substantial bonus without the penalties that being level 98 normally gives to xp
Have you tried moving an ancient by using telekinesis or a knockback weapon/howltusk? Maybe you're not getting the quest because they're dying at their spawn point. Worth a try. Also when you kill them, does the door open despite the quest not working?
Ancients are immune to Knockback, also any Act Bosses, Ubers, Griswold, Izual, Nihlathak, Coldworm the Burrower, Necromancer Golems, Druid Vines, and Druid Spirits.
My tests: 1.If you die to Light/Cold/Fire Enhant while the ancients are bugged, and come back to summit: Ancients still there in same state when you died, Altar doesnt glow red on d2r graphics! 2.Throwing meteors on all ancients spots, then doing the bug - they die while the text is still playing, sadly doesnt change anything. Game treats them as stone statues dead or alive :(
Try cursing them or casting a debuff like Battle Cry on them? That will further add another weird state to them. Maybe even active stun swirl from like smite or mind blast
What are the chances...I had this happen twice last ladder and assumed it was a new bug in D2R...i dont record my games anyways so there was no way of going back to replicate it. Good news is that i 100% remember getting quest completion, but it was online and other people were in the game so I'm not sure it'll work in SP
You say you can't get the quest or experience. What if you wear them down while they're frozen, then activate the stone and finish them off while their health is reduce?
my first thought would be to open a portal as they die as well and see if that "fixes" it and lets it complete? donno tho, please post an update if you find out more!
I wonder if you could kill 2 ancients and have the merc take down the last one. While spamming the worldstone gates. The specific second that the last ancient falls would be a vulnerable moment for the games codes and i wonder if there are ways to exploit this
In the vid he says that the quest doesn't complete and the follow up doesn't happen either, so I'm guessing the lock to the Worldstone stays locked, and you have to reset at that point an come back and kill them legitimately.
@@Strathaczar ah okay I wasn't 100% on that part I thought that's was what he meant but just wanted to be sure. With everyone putting our ideas and brains together I'm sure we can figure it out thanks for the info
so that's why they don't drop anything. Maybe it's known from the beginning. The give exp though. Can you abuse it to gain fast exp by only killing 2/3 of them?
I saw another runner use a portal glitch where you place a bunch of em and create a invisible barrier thats blocks the ancients whe you finnaly spawn em. What if you put the portals on the spot they spawn on?
lol that’s dope! I’ve only had problems getting past ancients like once.. but this would have been a great way to kill them instead of going back and leveling up!
Since you and your merc aren't taking any damage, there might be a roll for that to happen to earn kill credit? Perhaps getting poisoned prior and taking damage during the glitched states might work? 🤔
what if you damage them close to death and reset them for the normal fight? you hovered them after resetting and the health stayed from the first glitched state.
you dont get the XP and the quest, but can you pass through and go for Baal? This could mean you can save up the ancients quest for later levels when going for 99.
@@elro1986You can also do a grush too if you want them left, but loosing out on WSK/baalruns can't be worth it either way. I don't remember if you clear hell on classic and then convert and if it counts as hell being cleared for making TZ games. Since just saving normal/nightmare ancients isn't that good exp but if you do save them it's quick and easy exp @98.
The experience is limited, Quick rushes used to include a Ancients skip and if you went back past lvl 80 you would not receive a full level just a portion of exp
So I’m guessing that going to town after they’re dead and coming back does not open the gate. What about quitting the game after they are dead and coming back in? Will that just put us back at square one and they’re ready to kill you?
im sure this works on old version on lod also, im sure i had this a few times made up around 10 yrs ago.... not bother about it as i needed to kill them normally way lol
Couldn't you just re-activate them properly once they are low HP? Didn't look like they reset to me when you demonstrated again. So long as you're not getting one-tapped it'd be basically the same, just have like 2 seconds of actual fight once ur done static-ing the static bosses.
What if you use Talic Lightning enhanced to kill yourself, then enter your portal in Ancient's Way and reenter Arreat Summit, maybe by reentering it will register them as alive and valid for the quest to be completed.
To make it work, you need an unkillable lvl 100 monster like a bunny from frozen tundra, herd it/chase it down the ancients way, then to the platau stairs, then, after chasing it up the stairs you can glitch the ancients like that and the presence of a lvl 100 mob means you will get the quest reward.
It's not a different state when you open it via belt lol, still the same thing, also isn't this quite old? one of the useless glitches cos you can't advance.
What a game that people still analyse newly found race conditions after 20+ years. No other Diablo version will ever achieve this.
Thanks for sharing, Llama!
It's from an era where the developers' goal is to create great games and not to squeeze every penny out of your pocket.
i play pd2 everyday still, its amazing
this is how Baal was not tested by the ancients and not simply the relic, he glitched it and we just found it now, that's how deceptive Baal was LOL.
Backdoored the ancients.. mudda...
Baal playing 4D chess.
More than 20 years and we discover a little more details about the game's lore, amazing
At this point MrLlama looks at D2R and he sees what Neo saw when he was in the Matrix.
😂
The most impressive part of this is that it has existed in LoD for god knows how long and made it through maybe hundreds (maybe more?) of patches till right now
Idk where you got that number, but there's only been about 10 patches since LOD if you don't count the "letters". And letters add like 5-10 more
I think there have been a total of 12 patches man, maybe 13. Something like that. Its less than 100, its less than 20.
Not much to fix when you make a perfect game, wish poe took notes on how to make a game approachable and simple yet complex and with depth without making it overly stupid and absurd.
Someone has to actually report the bug for it to get fixed and then they gotta prioritize it. This would be a super low priority bug in my mind.
Weird none of the actual speedrunners use this
Series of small tests need to try
Can another player see this state
Can another player deal damage to them
Can another player fear/kB/leap a spell or item with chance on hit with an issue a commanded with moment
Will another player killing them
Can you the player do any of the above
Are either gates opened before or after they die
What happens after you kill them
Does a portal reset the area
What happens when you kill the quest whenever another player needs the quest and they are not in same act/zone/area as the other player
What happens when 2 more more players need or don't need the quest
Can you test with the portal bug/glitch leaving and returning telekinesis the book and portal at the same time
For speed running, the other player condition is not possible...........
@@Himbayo new exploits need multiple avenues of explorations may lead to new exploits
This guy QAs 👍
Reproduced it successfully on BattleNet. Alter keeps stuck in red steam animation and ancients are spawned stuck. Once killed, they disappear and nothing else changes. No XP and no quest. Opening a portal afterwards, will again reset the scene.
More research needed how to make progress.
To piggyback on this the timing of the state has to be checked, i.e. have a friend cast TP and you klick altar.
Also another person posted in comments that you can stuck a character in a statue by standing on it before resetting, which sounds like a character in another state or out of bounds. This can mean duping.
my guess: the spawning animation takes longer then the despawn and cant be overwritten. once you spawn them and try to instantly despawn, the spawning animation still plays out. the spawning also removes all currently open TPs, while the game still thinks (or thought while spawning) there is a TP open in the area. this 'TP' flags/flagged the ancients as unkillable. the only way to make them killable is by removing the 'there is/was a TP here' flag. you could damage them to 1 hp, then die, then walk to the entrance of the summit and open another TP before entering the arena again, and see, if the game checks if there is currently a TP open and maybe then change the state accordingly.
if that doenst work, then the unkillable-state cant be fixed/refreshed, because its permanent, and this bug is most likely a dead end.
also i know that you cant use the ancients to forcespawn diaclone(?), but i am curious to see if something strange happens, when the 'dia walks the earth' flag is active and you use this spawnbug.
Noice! 2024 and d2 still surprises me lol nice!
Its D2 Ressurected (masterwork)
Game is dead
@@Ogokaoit's just niche
@@Ogokaonah, still play with buddies from time to time. We first played in 2002 and despite being 15,000 kms apart, we play. And we are from Africa, so I would imagine far more US/EU/Asia players. D2 is well loved in my country.
@@Ogokao 50k-56k players daily sure is dead.
I want to see a carbot cartoon over this
Same 😂
😂 lol!!
Are they staying frozen regardless of the source of damage you do? e.g. was every spell tried or for example attacking with pushback abilities to get them out of this state into an active state to trigger the quest?
Someone should try knockbck on them to see if it's the tile they're standing on that keeps them immune or not.
I would start by finding a way to replicate this bug without the use of a portal. Because I'm pretty sure the portal disables the quest progression. But if there is a way to get the transition/animation race condition to occur without the use of a portal that would open up a major glitch I guess.
Maybe a portal from a staff, maybe with weapon swap or something like this could work?
What other ways are there which might force the ancients back into being statues?
i wish you would have showed what happens when they all die to help figure it out. nice find!
Pop another port on the same frame the last ancient dies? Have a character start the quest first "normally", and then come in and do your trick? Some things to try.
If you can skip the Hell Ancients quest like in NM and save it, 98s could use this to skip a lot of leveling on the journey to 99. Would be huge
The higher level you are the less exp the ancients quest gives.
@@fakeappellation7343the ancients quest gives a fixed amount of XP for each difficulty. For example if your level 80 or level 98 you get the same amount of XP it just appears to be less because of how much XP you need to fill your bar
@@fakeappellation7343Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, based on the way experience from most sources falls off at higher levels, the xp doesnt give a full level at 98, but does give a substantial bonus without the penalties that being level 98 normally gives to xp
Have you tried moving an ancient by using telekinesis or a knockback weapon/howltusk? Maybe you're not getting the quest because they're dying at their spawn point. Worth a try. Also when you kill them, does the door open despite the quest not working?
This is worth trying!
great idea
Ancients are immune to Knockback, also any Act Bosses, Ubers, Griswold, Izual, Nihlathak, Coldworm the Burrower, Necromancer Golems, Druid Vines, and Druid Spirits.
i would try adding a curse on them or another debuff like Battle Cry on them to add an extra state
Nah none of that will work. The acients have spawned, but their AI has not been initiated. So there is no AI to give you the quest after they died
Can you beat them down like this and then cast another TP to reset their motion and quest instance?
My tests:
1.If you die to Light/Cold/Fire Enhant while the ancients are bugged, and come back to summit: Ancients still there in same state when you died, Altar doesnt glow red on d2r graphics!
2.Throwing meteors on all ancients spots, then doing the bug - they die while the text is still playing, sadly doesnt change anything. Game treats them as stone statues dead or alive :(
Try cursing them or casting a debuff like Battle Cry on them? That will further add another weird state to them. Maybe even active stun swirl from like smite or mind blast
What are the chances...I had this happen twice last ladder and assumed it was a new bug in D2R...i dont record my games anyways so there was no way of going back to replicate it. Good news is that i 100% remember getting quest completion, but it was online and other people were in the game so I'm not sure it'll work in SP
You say you can't get the quest or experience. What if you wear them down while they're frozen, then activate the stone and finish them off while their health is reduce?
i use some glitches ancients cant move last 10 years but my works with quests
another glitch, if someone is standing one of the pedestals the ancients return to after killing them that player can get stuck to the pedestal
my first thought would be to open a portal as they die as well and see if that "fixes" it and lets it complete? donno tho, please post an update if you find out more!
I wonder if you could kill 2 ancients and have the merc take down the last one. While spamming the worldstone gates. The specific second that the last ancient falls would be a vulnerable moment for the games codes and i wonder if there are ways to exploit this
mrllama maybe you can do that then teleport away in the corner and come back into it then try. Also does this allow the door to open to world stone?
In the vid he says that the quest doesn't complete and the follow up doesn't happen either, so I'm guessing the lock to the Worldstone stays locked, and you have to reset at that point an come back and kill them legitimately.
@@Strathaczar ah okay I wasn't 100% on that part I thought that's was what he meant but just wanted to be sure. With everyone putting our ideas and brains together I'm sure we can figure it out thanks for the info
damn this will break so many records likelly if someone find the second part to make it work lol
For example, have an assasin try it and just use her Traps since they are technicaly Minions
Now I can finally finish my level 1 speed run.
so that's why they don't drop anything. Maybe it's known from the beginning. The give exp though.
Can you abuse it to gain fast exp by only killing 2/3 of them?
No, the exp is tied to the quest
@@HellfireEternal ah then nothing. So well designed right?
Is it only for d2r or in old diablo2 lod u can do this glitch too?
MrLlama says right in this video, that it wirks in LoD as well, Cheers!
0:33 LoD too
0:32 he said he heard it works in LOD as well
If someone figures this out, how many seconds/minutes are we expecting to save on a speedrun?
there still hurt after resummoning so what if you than resummon them so they can move but there already hurt so making it safe in hc?
The HP seem to resset everytime.
I saw another runner use a portal glitch where you place a bunch of em and create a invisible barrier thats blocks the ancients whe you finnaly spawn em.
What if you put the portals on the spot they spawn on?
lol that’s dope! I’ve only had problems getting past ancients like once.. but this would have been a great way to kill them instead of going back and leveling up!
I'm going to give D4 Season 4 a go. May 14th..? It might be better right?
It never ceases to amaze me that you STILL grind Diablo2 after 20 years
Since you and your merc aren't taking any damage, there might be a roll for that to happen to earn kill credit? Perhaps getting poisoned prior and taking damage during the glitched states might work? 🤔
what if you damage them close to death and reset them for the normal fight? you hovered them after resetting and the health stayed from the first glitched state.
you dont get the XP and the quest, but can you pass through and go for Baal? This could mean you can save up the ancients quest for later levels when going for 99.
currently can't pass through. needs more testing
You can actually save the quest if you start you character in classic, and once in hell turn to expansion
@@elro1986You can also do a grush too if you want them left, but loosing out on WSK/baalruns can't be worth it either way.
I don't remember if you clear hell on classic and then convert and if it counts as hell being cleared for making TZ games. Since just saving normal/nightmare ancients isn't that good exp but if you do save them it's quick and easy exp @98.
The experience is limited, Quick rushes used to include a Ancients skip and if you went back past lvl 80 you would not receive a full level just a portion of exp
I did it several times and I didnt get the quest done. After I kill all three nothing happens, and both doors still closed.
PC and consoles, or just PC?
*Race Condition:* _Every programmer's worst nightmare._
Uhhh naming things is clearly worse.
@@tezza48Sadly the bug exists regardless if you name it or not.
Even worse are *Heisenbugs.*
Do you still get the experience?
Didn't look like their HP returned to max when you re-glitched. Maybe lower the HP then do it unglitched?
So I’m guessing that going to town after they’re dead and coming back does not open the gate. What about quitting the game after they are dead and coming back in? Will that just put us back at square one and they’re ready to kill you?
im sure this works on old version on lod also, im sure i had this a few times made up around 10 yrs ago.... not bother about it as i needed to kill them normally way lol
I have a feeling poison damage might be the answer
i wonder if knockback moves the ancients 1 frame off the spawn point?
Knockback is a good shout, has anyone tried this yet?
thank you for this!
What happens if a second player comes in from Arreat Way?
Why thank you, sir. That was quite helpful indeed!
how?
@@lionhead123 If you manage to figure it out, it will save you a lot of time especially in hell so its good to know this bug-exploit exists.
@@vercelor if it will be figured out. until that, nothing.
I need your help I have tried Hardcore mode bout 20 times the only time I beat normal was a trapsin i just keep dying
Plot twist:
it's nightmare and Korlic is Fire Enchanted and you stand too close. Goodbye!
It doesn't give you the quest but does it open the door?
given that blizz is patching wc2 and hots, I would not be surprised if this is patched out :).
Yeah it happend to me before!
Try some sort of knockback so the game has registered they've moved therefore the quest must be active?
Couldn't you just re-activate them properly once they are low HP? Didn't look like they reset to me when you demonstrated again. So long as you're not getting one-tapped it'd be basically the same, just have like 2 seconds of actual fight once ur done static-ing the static bosses.
I wonder if it happens in the legacy graphics or only in the D2R graphics overlay? I suspect the latter.
He says it works in LOD and D2R so old graphics or overlay don’t seem to matter
@@dylanhopwood3773 ah, I missed that part
does that mean this bug has always been in D2 before resurrected?
What if you use Talic Lightning enhanced to kill yourself, then enter your portal in Ancient's Way and reenter Arreat Summit, maybe by reentering it will register them as alive and valid for the quest to be completed.
This is dope as hell man.
Add gem and rune stacking, start there.
telekinesis it from inside that invisible wall spot.
Call those dudes at Glitch Hunters. Give them a week and it'll get cracked!
@MrLlamaSC "Leave it to Llama" New series?
I cant seem to replicate this glitch. Can you go into a little more detail in the process to get them there?
You open a tp (using belt slots) and immediately click the altar. Might need to try a few times.
To make it work, you need an unkillable lvl 100 monster like a bunny from frozen tundra, herd it/chase it down the ancients way, then to the platau stairs, then, after chasing it up the stairs you can glitch the ancients like that and the presence of a lvl 100 mob means you will get the quest reward.
🤨
Brave brave Sir Llama, master of cheesey kills and running away from thy enemies.
thank you for bringing light to this, their gonna need to fix that asap
Does this work in Project Diablo 2?
Anyone try messing with the graphics? is it the same on old ones?
it works on LoD so doubt it would do anything, but still worth playing with.
Does it happen in LoD?
We need a Rendi for D2 lol.
Not glitched they are just waiting for their turn :)
Simple solution: Don't use it, if it's game breaking. :)
maybe damage them first, and then glitch them?
Dose the SC stand for StarCraft?
It does
So, we broke the game and don't get credit, can we break the game and get credit?
I'm confused
Nope, you've got it exectly. He's asking for help researching how to make this a useful bug
How could baal do such a thing?
However, however, however, however....
Are you sure it's a glitch? It might be a hidden window programmed by the creators.
Would be funny if it would grant xp but then as i typed this you said, Does not grant xp.
It's not a different state when you open it via belt lol, still the same thing, also isn't this quite old? one of the useless glitches cos you can't advance.
I would guess kill 2 of them and then try to glitch back the easiest to normal state just before it dies ?
Crazy bug lol!
What’s up RUclips
gl
Whoa 😮
You only need to glitch MADAWC
Ahh stop breaking the game 4 me!!!!
LOLLLLLL good one
You have to do it 69 times in a row
INCOMING BAN
LOL
Mr Llama banned for exploiting.
you didnt say piece. you lose 1 point.
another broken game?we cant play it! :)
It'll be fixed in the next patch now lol!!
First
is this also in vanilla classic?
Ha ha