A Moron’s 101 Guide To Marxism Ft. PragerU
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#Marxism #marx
“Marx died over 100 years ago, why do people still care about his ideas? Now let me explain to you why you should embrace Judeo-Christian values, aka ideas from people who died over 2000 years ago.”
- PragerU
Based and marxpilled
Well granted he died for only a few days.
Brilliant comment
but... But... Jesus is still alive in heaven. It says so in the Bible! :P
@@ATurnip People saw him accend, people where willing to die for believing that, they wouldn't be willing to die horrible deaths if they made it up and there where too many people for it to be a hallucination.
“Marxism is when mommy makes me eat broccoli. Literally 1984.”
-PragerU
This is more accurate than the prager video.
@Russian Waifu (T-72 Tank Commander)🇷🇺 ratio+ you’re a tankie
Can you provide a citation for this quote? I’m doing my doctoral thesis on PragerU videos and whatever video this is from might be useful to my research. Thanks much appreciated
@@PossumPunx yeah I remember arguing with this creep about the Russian war against Ukraine like a month ago. I remember the creepy name used by a person who creepy political persuasions.
@@seagulfs4123 your reply should have as many thumbs up as a reply is able to have. I hope you get there soon pal.
"Why does anyone still care about Marxism? Marx has been dead for over a century." This from the people who lose their shit every time someone badmouths Shakespeare.
@Russian Waifu (T-72 Tank Commander)🇷🇺 Oh come on! Have you ever _tried_ to sit through Measure for Measure? That's an atrocity, right there.
or
y'know
*the founding fathers*
vaush actualy bad becau not make point
Also, it's so telling how they only engage with an idea in terms of their perception of the relevance or validity of one person who spread it. It's like they're whole lens for looking at the world is tinted with ad hominem fallacy.
Why does anyone still care about Christ? He's been dead for a lot longer
Looked this guy up and was surprised that he doesn't have any sort of criminal convictions or allegations, which is unusual for a Prager U guest.
Underated comment.
Don't worry. Republicans heard your complaint about a rare non-criminal in their ranks and decided to give you a consolation prize. Former revenge porn site operator Craig Brittain is running for Senate.
Yet.
@@toptextbottomtext3062 I just did and Jesus Christ.....
@@toptextbottomtext3062 least degenerate Russia simp
“Imagine for a moment a world in which there was no murder or theft; this would drive me mad”
-Dennis Prager
prageru not say that becau now .ame you up thing that not true and vaush lie lyer
make me mad
"Here is a fact: Murdering the rich isn't wrong." - Dennis Prager
@BitterOrange you am lie vaus make western propaganda and he make bad am video an kes
@@arby327 here is fact and e emas are the only becau you make misinfomation bad and western pro. . Sna
This dude: "Rearing cattle in the evening? How out of touch you are, Carlos Marcos."
Also this dude: "People voluntarily choose to be septic workers."
now you lie about make thing bad becau vaush make western propaganda
Growing food for a living? Go touch grass
That bit was the most insane for me, the dude is really trying to say that sewer workers in capitalist societies all deliberately chose to do the job out of their own will and not because, you know, they were rejected by every single other job and if they don't do it they will starve and die.
ok, I was so confused by the first part, because I did grow up on a farm, and there's plenty of things we gotta do in the evening, i.e. spreading straw so the cows have a clean dry place to lay down at night
@@aden5776 -he appears to know as much about farming as he does Marxist theory
"Marx wanted people to be happy and able to do things that aren't work until you're dead."
Wow, how evil...
By that standard, America's entire post-1940s consumer culture is evil. Who new that McDonald's cheeseburgers, Barbie dolls, and STAR WARS were tyrannical?
Just beyond the pale.
@@slugmaballs7309 Who's beyond the pale? Me or the guy that wants you to work until you drop dead?
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 Obviously Karl Marx. Suggesting that we should live our best lives, and not have to slave away under capital owners? It's abominable. Unconscionable. I cannot believe that someone would be evil enough to consider it.
/s
Because conservative political theory isn't for the working class, it's justification for the ruling class to keep the dirty underlings in line. That's why a lot of conservative thought boils down to "you will wear the muzzle and you will be happy" or "you're better than these subhumans; which is why you shouldn't change the system because *you* will be on top... Someday"
PragerU talking about marxism like
“Hello everyone, I am Adolf Hitler and I am here to tell you what a Jew is.”
Notice he did just that, it's called "Mein Kampf"...
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PragerU reissuing copies of The Poisonous Mushroom 💀
"The death and destruction brought about by... (checks notes) environmentalism" - PraguerU
Gee I wonder if PragerU is funded by any special interests.
(checks notes) feminism
Surprised they didn’t mention gay people right there
Its more like throwing a dart at a bunch of words at this point.
Remember that they worship Trump, so their credo includes wind turbines killing all the birds, driving the whales crazy and causing cancer.
The sewer example is a particularly baffling one, as sewers are socialized, i.e. the community/government owns them, and they seem to work just fine? Sewer workers are pretty universally unionized, government employees, and are a good example of how community ownership of a commonly-held resource can result in good standards of maintenance.
I know for sure that I would not like to live in a town where the sewers were fully privatized and the bare minimum upkeep and maintenance was being done.
Actually if sewers were fully privatized they would be much better because when the government screws up what they're supposed to do, there's no serious consequences for them and when a private company screws up, they go bankrupt:)
Capitalists always claim the good of socialism incl. social safety nets patching the system, and turn around ascribe the horror of capitalism to Marxism and socialism.
@Taxed Burner y’all lose Republicans and millions of other Americans when you cry for more public services and open borders.
The countries y’all use as examples for why more public services are good for society all have closed borders and small populations.
Advocate for your local and state governments to provide more social services not the federal government. Also, support closed borders, so only Americans can receive these benefits. It would open more people to the idea of “socialism”. I will never support your ideas when I know you will give them to illegal immigrants. The majority of Americans do not want to pay for them.
@Taxed Burner cons will never understand nuance, thus their answer is always "NO GOV FREE MARKET" to literally any problem out there
Key word being “can”. Now throw in the human element in all its glory. In my city when it rains a bunch sewage goes into the river. Plus it’s super expensive. Yay socialized?
Apparently "envy and resentment" is another way to phrase "starving and having their labor stolen"
I don't think they are that tightly coupled. You can resent and envy even if you are well fed and never lifted a finger in your entire life.
@@szeredaiakos Oh for sure, normal people realize the difference. But PragerU sees them as being the same if we go by this awful video.
@@JackgarPrime Well, I failed to notice that. I'm going to watch it several more times. Just to make sure.
How dare people resenting being screwed.
As an avid user of the interwebs, very few people criticising Marxism tend to know what Marxism actually is.
Because people like PragerU do this thing where they basically switch the places of Marxism and capitalism ideologically, describing a bunch of good things that Marxism is all about and then telling people Marxism is against those things. Then turning around and saying conservative, basically fascist capitalism offers those things.
@@twoboxtoofurious reading isn’t enough to understand it.
@@twoboxtoofurious that's OK, just take your time, look at a few interpretations maybe and you will get there.
@@davitdavid7165 Love the encouraging comment :)
Marxism is very easy to understand. Karl Marx was not intelligent. What's hard to follow is the 21st century Marxists who have to run in circles to defend a bloodstained ideology
It's true. Volunteering is absolutely attractive to people as a form of community organization, to build something useful and find meaning.
Did you know rural German fire brigades are almost completely volunteers? They are effectively clubs where local people gather, organize and maintain the means of fire fighting in their area.
They are self-organizing qualifying courses, raising kids into the task and organizing community events. When your house catches fire in rural Germany, the guys that show up are mechanics, nurses, office workers, bankers, bakers and plumbers by trade. They go to bed with the alerts on them and sacrifice their night's sleep in a pinch, or rush out of a shop to help people.
Recently, as I drove home after dark I ran into a road block. A car had run into a ditch and responders were out there dragging them back onto the road, making sure no oil or gasoline would spill out to contaminate water. And the guy who stopped me was a beanstalk of a boy in a fireman's helmet, no older than 19. Part of the local fire brigade's volunteer youth. He wasn't being paid for this. The invisible hand of the market had not guided him there. Nothing so mundane as money drives people with good jobs and enough money to spend their evenings dragging cars out of ditches and run into a burning house.
My dad was in one of those actually!!! He volunteered for like 4 or 5 years I believe and only stopped once he moved to the us. Wish I could ask him more about it tbh.
Sure, but do you think that volunteering all jobs and just expecting that people will show up is gonna work?
@@juniorgod321 I mean, when you get some people who volunteer to work, they obviously like what they're doing, since they volunteered. People like that are naturally gonna be more eager to show up than people who only do it for money alone.
@@unfollowtheinstructions6360 Of course, but how about the hard or difficult jobs? For example, one of my very first jobs was to carry shingles to the top of houses at a roof company! There's no way in hell that me or any my co-workers would volunteer to do that for free!
@@juniorgod321 I get that. It's definitely necessary to work towards a future were jobs like that have to be made safer, possibly supported by some advanced technology.
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Did you get this information from sources pulled by Some More News?
@@christiantabares6713 And Mr. Beat
And he’s running against Sarah Palin makes it even funnier. If Sarah Palin loses to Santa Claus, my faith in our political system would be restored.
@@jocabulous Mr Beat is based
OMG!!! I knew it, I KNEW Santa is real!!!!
I really liked how you addressed the criticism that Marxist ideology has been used by dictators/maniacs. It was very well thought out and persuasive. I've always stumbled a bit on that point.
Saying you will make things better is a staple for those wanting power, from what I've seen Marxism still gets used less than most religions
@@Booga-tz8kj I'm very much under the impression that most people capable of gaining power are ill suited to hold/wield it.
@@Booga-tz8kj then wtf should we say?
If anything, " I will keep things the same" is worse. At that point the guy just wants to be at the top of the established hierarchy.
It's mainly just hard to believe why dictators would use Marxist rhetoric in the US because Marxism has a bad rep there. In other parts of the world, Marx's theories are seen as positive and popular. And fake populist leaders love to cite popular rhetoric, while doing the opposite.
Chomsky has extensive speeches on the nature of the Soviet Union and Leninism in particular. You should check them out. Basically Leninist ideology came down to one word: opportunism. Doing *whatever* is necessary to gain power (not due to a lust for power, just out of sheer belief that even your worst will be better in the long term).
love how this guy laughs at marx for talking about raising cattle in the evening, he doesn't know that cows are cathemeral and will graze at night just as happily as they will during the day
i didn't know that, thank you stranger! /gen
must be that stupid hair cut makes his brain go mush - who wakes up in morning looks in mirror with piece of hair hanging on the side and thinks this a the way to go lol
If a job is necessary then people will do it, not because others make them, but because the reality of the situation makes them
@Oliver Yes, but I believe that there is a meaningful difference between being coerced by people, and being coerced by other factors such as the environment
@@saudade7842 So people will be cleaning out their own sewers? That doesn't sound very efficient. Here's what I wrote in a standalone post, I'd appreciate feedback:
_This discussion hits the nail on the head as to why I never went full communist._
_I think it's mainly wishful thinking to believe that in a moneyless society or one where everyone gets the same amount of pay, people will not only work at their own volition (I agree to an extent with that part, although I myself really just want to play computer games all day every day), but also that the total work performed voluntarily will somehow be magically congruent with the work required to fulfill all needs and desires within society. In other words, yes, there's going to be an inveterate shortage of sewer workers, unless there is some incentive system to make it happen. In capitalism that incentive system is a mix of coercion and reward (people without capital need to take whatever job they can get or they'll die in the streets, but also sewer workers are paid pretty decently, at least here in Germany), I fear in communism it would be almost exclusively coercion in the form of social pressure towards certain people, maybe because they don't seem to be good at anything else. Or worse, maybe towards certain minorities (I do not buy that in communist societies people are magically immune to bigotry)._
_That's why I'm a market socialist and have been for 20 years (although we used to call it mutualism). In a co-op market economy (with social safety nets of course) a team of sewer workers can negotiate pay from the community according to the laws of (low) supply and (high) demand, and without a ton of overhead going to a CEO/investors etc. It would presumably be one of the highest paying jobs. I get that for Vaush market socialism is an intermediate step, but for me it is the end goal._
@@theMosen I would disagree. I believe that (generally speaking) people will willingly do even the most miserable, agonizing activities you can imagine if they believe it to be beneficial to greater society, their loved ones, or at least themselves. Even if it may take a little while, people will quickly realize that sewers are important, and once a few people step up (and maybe with the help of recruitment drives, educational material, media attention, etc.), many more will voluntarily follow suit (especially if supported by the greater community).
Also, sorry if it came across wrong in my comment, but I was referring to people working together to maintain the sewers, not working alone or only maintaining the sewers that affect them directly (that would be inefficient).
Literally all you need to say to debunk the “lazy socialist” argument
@@saudade7842 but who created & maintains the circumstance? It’s people who do that. Powerful people.
Brexit taught me why they say obviously contradictory shit: It broadens their appeal. People who are likely to agree with them will ignore the contradictory elements and be attracted to the arguments that resonate with them.
It's So Antithetical & Moronic.🥴😵💫😵
@@septimaserpent It is anti-science, but these people are anti-science.
I was kinda like that in 2016. I hated Clinton for obvious reasons and I didn't like Trump. But sometimes he said decent stuff like public healthcare is good and war is bad, so I kinda mentally supported him. Bad move in retrospect.
@@Alex-0597 Why
@@asArsenic People who have science on their side don't use the phrase anti science. Just say what scientific evidence is being contradicted.
the problems that exist in our system are:
1. it's upside down - the more you work, the less you make.............the more you make the less you work
2. the incentives are there but they're distorted towards the more people you exploit the more you can make.....it's also self fulfilling in that the more you make the more power you're afforded, thereby, allowing you the ability to game the system even further
That is an accurate definition of any taxation system.
"Trotsky was a bottom" is an analysis I wasn't expecting today, but I'm here for it.
It matters not what ECONOMIC system is used; under a DICTATORSHIP, are we really surprised that people are abused?!
It's not the economic system that abused and murdered millions under the DICTATORSHIP; it was the DICTATORSHIP
So often people look back at the failed attempts at SOCIALISM and/or MARXISM and blame them and not the TYRANNICAL government at the helm
Yeah the thing is that it's irrelevant what a government calls itself. North Korea calls itself a democratic republic. When you're in charge of a country you can name yourself anything you want, you look at the actual policies and determine if it fits based on that criteria.
I like this GUY'S comment. Sometimes I have trouble understanding what people are talking about but when he YELLS the important words it's easier to FOLLOW.
Or the dictator will change the definition of the economic system to fit their needs. Like Hitler and socialism
PragerU's like: "Did you know evil didn't exist until Karl Marx invented it in 1845?"
Normally to debunk something you need to actually study it first but it seems they can't even be bothered with step one
"Our audience isn't gonna know the difference so why should I?"
you am lie about prageru and you lisen to vaush who is western propaganda
Do you think Vaush has studied it?
@@thegamingmachine9316 considering his degree, quite literally yes
@@adamsmasher9769 you think he's studied Marx in depth in an undergrad sociology degree?
"and the plane crashes on an Island"
Ah, I know this one.
Hey, what’s that in the sky?
Actually his dumb analogy has more in commom with communism rather than capitalism, because in capitalism one person doesn't own all the resources and under communism, there's always one dictator at the top, or rather the guy who has all the coconuts!
@@juniorgod321 im not sure what you mean by both terms. in reality, many industries are captured by a couple of people
@@xdrowssap4456 No, they are not!
@Fitz the dragon which industries re you talking about?
"Self-interest turns you into Ebenezer Scrooge."
--Karl Marx
"Peepee poopoo"
-Karl Marl
funnily enough im pretty sure both dickens and marx were heavily influenced by living in london and seeing first hand the effects that capitalism has on the working class.
"Karl-Marx turns you into Josef Stalin"
This is actually an excellant video for demonstrating Vaush's understanding of Marxism. Sadly, the people who go around claiming that "Vaush doesn't understand Marxism" will never watch this.
Nah, they'll just say "ur rong" on twitter and when asked for clarification, accuse you of not having read the first 5 books off the top of their heads that still don't disagree with Vaush
tbf understanding Marxism is utterly irrelevant to anything in todays world because Marxism is outdated af
@@Tacklepig that's a really weird way to describe a lens of analysis.
Especially one that was heavily relevant to developing critical theory and critical race theory
Big difference between understanding something and redefining something
Vaush is a Marxist Propaganda Peddler. His mindset is; "Marxism works if we just get the right people in place to institutionalize it".
"Under socialism who would clean the sewers"
Somewhere Mike From Redacted just had a brain aneurysm.
He still wants to find out what a TIFF is too
@@masterplusmargarita I genuinely don't know what the fuck that question means
I recently helped build a woodshed for my grandparents and honestly it was really gratifying. I always liked helping out with that kind of stuff for my grandpa or dad. There is something special about building something with your own hands, doing physical activity that actually goes to create a physical thing that someone needs. I feel like if I had the opportunity to do that more often, I’d be way more fit.
@@thotslayer9914 I don’t have one yet, I’m studying to be a teacher
@@thotslayer9914 Poland, I’m going to be teaching English here
@@thotslayer9914 well I don’t know any other languages and I’m studying English so I have no way of teaching English in other countries since you need to at least be familiar to teach someone a new language. Anyway, why do you ask?
@@thotslayer9914 I feel like when you are already in Europe the answer to get a better quality of life is not abroad. :P
You might look into the “Maker Movement” many people have found that same satisfaction making things, this also the appeal of gardening, fish keeping, and such. Being able to see the impact of your deeds is something missing from many modern “corporate careers”
I think the quality of doctors would actually go up when you start filtering for people who want to be doctors rather than for people who want to make money
Agree so much
There is not a doubt in my mind as to what you say being the case. I almost went to med school - a surprising portion of potential med school students are picking their specialty based on expected salary after graduation. Obviously multiple factors weigh in a decision like that, but it was openly discussed more than once in my presence. I mean no doctor is living in poverty, unless they're really bad at their job, so it's not like any of them needed to fear poverty. But the emphasis was on the money nonetheless.
Btw anesthesiologists are the greediest doctors, hands down.
20:05 in his attempt to praise capitalism he has contradicted himself, the sewer cleaner in the capitalist society did it out of free will he even gives a thumbs up because he enjoys it so much, so therefore under socialism why would he have to be coerced. He did it out of free will in capitalism, he should be able to do it out of free will in socialism surely... Unless it was never out freedom in the first place.
Hmm... curious 🤔
He does it out of free will in capitalism because of the money
Even more contradictory is Prager's argument that Marx disapproved of workers doing the jobs they wanted to choose. But in a previous video, "Don't Follow Your Passion," Prager also said that it's not practical to simply choose whatever job you think will be the most fun, because it probably won't earn you a good living. By saying that, Prager in fact made the Marxist argument that capitalism often makes it difficult for people to live as free individuals. Ironically, the "Ayn Rand" paradise that so many of today's capitalists swoon over is impossible under capitalism.
Psst. It's because their rhetorical strategy is to describe the benefits of socialism, and say capitalism is about those things and socialism is against those things. They also describe the downsides of capitalism and say capitalism is against those things and socialism is about those things.
It's literally just "war is peace" bullshit. They cannot defend capitalism without switching the ideologies' labels, while doing the actual bad things they attribute to socialism.
@@0witw047 Am I gonna have to bring out the coconuts again?
The lack of a welfare system in this country isn't to incentivize work. It is to make the people who do work grateful for the scraps they are given and to keep others from asking for more.
preach🙌
Sewer workers could be incentivised by having a national celebration dedicated to them and giving them awards for their service, like what we do with soldiers in our current society. Honestly I think it kinda sucks that our current society doesn't have some sort of civilian decoration for people whose labour benefits society.
That would be a great day.
It's easy to take for granted until you realize how many people in other countries die of diseases like dysentery. Sewers and sanitation systems can save as many lives as modern medicine.
I like it when Vaush revises and repeats the core tenents of socialism, I think it's pretty useful to have in mind that, for example, socialism is about freedom, the ability to do multiple things and to be happy when doing work.
Having this things in mind is not only usefull in the theoretical sense, but pretty useful in the rhetorical sense, bc almost everybody likes freedom, happyness and self actualization, so remarking that socialism achives this things is a compelitg argument
Swede here, I quit my well paying programmer job to work within the renewable sector. Working is its own reward.
@Football-Pundit I am still in the education process. But I am looking at around 90% of my previous salary.
@Noneya Bidness Exactly. Software engineering was pretty dull. Working with renewables is far more fulfilling.
@Football-Pundit i think sanitation sewers are pretty much automated - there is not some person sweeping feces around lol
"SAY THE LINE VAUSH."
"So let's say you're on a plane..."
"Why does anyone care about Marxism? Karl Marx has been dead for over a century"
Try asking the same thing about Christianity
...yeah and it's similarly valid. Both had utility in their time and are pretty outdated now
"Why would they lie in a way that is inconsistent" - because they are trying to appeal to a demographic that doesn't mind inconsistencies, hypocrisy, contradictions, obvious bullshit. Only boredom and not feeling edgy enough.
i have to say their stupidity is entertaining - it is like watching comedic parody show
I love how at 20:57, 3 separate people could perfectly time the “dicks” emote cause of how many times Vaush has to explain the analogy to ppl on the right
Actually his dumb analogy has more in commom with communism rather than capitalism, because in capitalism one person doesn't own all the resources and under communism, there's always one dictator at the top, or rather the guy who has all the coconuts!
Ppl? PP Large
The Communism Understander has logged on
@Fitz the dragon bootlicking whom, exactly?
@Fitz the dragon if you increase the number of people, then you'd just have a higher number of dictators which is way more commom is a communist sociaty than a capitalist one, and besides, someone asking you to do sexual favors in exchange for resources would be prostitution, which is ilegal in most of the country and lastly, under communism, where do the means of production comes from? I know for a fact that they don't show up magically out of thin air!
20:21 Your coconut example here is flawed, as it assumes the capitalist actually did all the work themselves and didn't inherit 80% of his coconuts, or exploit the local monkey population to collect them for him.
they did "inherit" the parts of the plane that were used to build a fence around the cocouts
👏
What is scary is that dude is a so called professor of POLITICAL SCIENCE in an University. Imagine how much misinformation he`s spreading.
I thought that US universities were far more rigorous.
@@5driedgrams Some are -- but if a University does literally anything to step in, this dude would be screaming "censorship" at the top of his lungs
@@5driedgrams We have multiple accrediting bodies for higher education. Unfortunately there isn't really a grading or ranking scale for them. You might make a rough estimate by googling some prestige universities and seeing which other universities are accredited by the same body, but that has it's limits. Obviously not every school that is accredited by the same body as Harvard will have the same quality of education.
America. So many people ask why nobody is going to college or university.. why would I go to a unregulated guy getting payed to much money cus some other rich guy likes him there for he gets to spread his opinions and thats the only way I get a "degree" smd
@@5driedgramsPrager u is NOT a university, it used to be "Prager United" but he got sued so now it's "Prager university foundation"
So even the name of this mess is purposefully deceptive.
i'd literally love working in ''unpleasant'' jobs and know others who would too, outside of capitalism; i getg so annoyed with the ''no one would do it'' arguments THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD HELLO
Exactly. I know people who love cleaning and other jobs that snobs may think are beneath them. There are people who like just about any sort of job you can name.
Mike Rowe’s 9 seasons of Dirty Jobs showed us again and again that some of the most satisfied people are ones with unpleasant jobs.
Username checks out
@Football-Pundit, we as humans have different likes, wants, and desires. If it is understandable that we can have different levels of enjoyment from colors, hobbies, and even essentials like food then why is it so hard to understand having different levels of fulfillment from any other category? "Gross" and/or "Disgusting" are, in the end, opinions. When someone says they enjoy something that someone else finds disgusting, why is it ok if it is a food or hobby but not if it is a job or other activity? Is it fair to dismiss, minimize, or invalidate the opinions of others just because someone cannot fathom them for themselves?
Even just working in the service industry bartending, most of my coworkers have a sort of love for their job, and would continue to do it more happily outside of a system that demands long hours and a paycheck to paycheck lifestyle.
I can only look to myself to validate that capitalism's assumption of incentive is false and that variety is valuable. I've had three different "careers". I started out as an army officer, where I found my place in the Rangers and I spent a total of 12 years in the army. After this I went into consulting as a project manager in software development. This only lasted a handful of years. And now, I operate a mid size farm. The most well paying of those jobs where project management by far, it was also safe, clean and comfortable. The least well paying in terms of disposable income is farming and it's often cold, dirty, dangerous and not all that comfortable. My job in the Rangers also shared many of those characteristics. However, my enjoyment is inverse of what incentives would suggest - I enjoy my current farming career the most, I did enjoy the army if you disregard the worst parts of being deployed in war zones. And I hated consulting.
What the two jobs I enjoy have in common is that they are extremely varied, they demand imagination, flexibility, adaptiveness and so on. And they both make me feel like I'm doing something that's important not only for me, but for others as well.
This to me disproves any notion that money and perks is what motivates people, at least it's false for me. As a farmer I work long hours every single day and rarely get the chance to get time off and I make almost nothing above my share of my family's living costs. Being "rich" means so much more than having lots of money and I'm sure most people would realize this if given the chance. This, however requires a system where people can at least be assured that they can sustain themselves and it does seem systems where it's not an immediate existential disaster to be "between jobs" or where you get the chance to try something new without having to have several years of wages saved up make people considerably more happy. I live in Sweden since 7 years (since taking over the farm no on else in the family wanted to do) and the difference in people's attitude to jobs is dramatically different.
Your testimony here is great argument for “no billionaires” because it demonstrates that those that lead rich, comfortable lives paradoxically go unfulfilled and so need to get their fulfillment from other areas. For some, that fulfillment comes from creating laws and rules that lord it over society and to justify it they pretend to be fighting evil of some kind.
bro the founding fathers have been dead longer than karl marx 💀💀💀 what is that argument. right at the beginning he proves he's delusional
Now that I think about it I enjoyed when I use to volunteer at my local library before the pandemic more than my job now. There was something more fulfilling picking movies and books of the shelves for interlibrary loan than my janitorial work.
Fair, but janitors are exceptionally important workers. It's a thankless job, but if it weren't for you and other sanitation workers, many places in our society would be a lot dirtier than they already are.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup you have to wonder how many people would enjoy cleaning as their job, but since they qualify for higher paying jobs they can't do that if they want higher standards of living
Nice quote, Prager U, mind backing it up with a source?!
“MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP!!!” 😈
24:20 On this point, I remember seeing a mini documentary on this dude who's job is to dive into Mexico City's sewer system to clear blockages by hand which can be as mundane as plasic bags to as insane as dead bodies. He volunteered to do the job because he's an experienced diver and wants to do something impactful for his community. He states that he loves his job
That guy's post work showers must be legendary.
I watched the whole series before Vaush covered just the first part, and it's amazing how just having a first-two-paragraphs-of-wikipedia-article level of knowledge about the subject allows you to instantly see this video is bullshit
The working class always creates.
The "-ism" decides who gets paid.
That is the perfect way to end any argument.
@@szeredaiakos Shove it in the faces of capitalists
*Someone who has no knowledge of Christianity and is reading Paradise Lost for the first time*:
“I don’t know who this Satan fellow is but he seems a damn fine chap and I hope he wins.”
To be fair, you could have plenty of knowledge of Christianity and still come away with that conclusion, given how tyrannical and genocidal God acts in the canon of the Bible.
I don't think real Satan is as reasonable as paradise lost Satan.
Vaush, I just wanted to say your ability to articulate what we actually see in practice every day is just top notch.
The notion that someone would want to clean sewers solely out of free will is just so damn stupid. The people that do the job can *tolerate* it well enough. But no one wakes up and says I think my dream job is sewer cleaning. The capitalist argument if "you are working there because you want to" completely ignores the fact that people have to pay for food and shelter.
Lenin wasn't all sunshine and rainbows but he was lightyears better than Stalin. Yes, he laid the groundwork for what Stalin would do with the idea of a Vanguard Party and the centralized Bolshevik State (though Stalin was the one to create a theoretical justification for long-term state authority), but he also had some genuinely good ideas, some of which were never implemented and some of which were implemented and then sharply reversed under Stalin. The clearest example is probably how under Lenin the Soviets made some genuine (albeit not consistently solid) efforts to promote self determination and cultural independence of the various groups within the USSR, including going out of their way to promote Latin-based alphabets rather than Cyrillic ones for Turkic languages to avoid any impression of Russian supremacy, whereas Stalin consistently promoted Russification of ethnic minorities and reversed Lenin's policies in favor of replicating Tsarist ones. And while Lenin adjusted his policies when things didn't seem to be working out well for the people, Stalin was perfectly content to sacrifice millions of people to keep his plans chugging along. Lenin wasn't a great dude, he was an often ruthless, fairly authoritarian leader, but Stalin makes him look like a hippie.
"Lightyears better than Stalin" isn't really a high bar to pass considering Stalin ranks among the top ten worst people to ever live on this planet.
For some reason, nobody takes my Prager U diploma seriously 😢
@Russian Waifu (T-72 Tank Commander)🇷🇺
Also Vaush: “Hang on, I need to go rape some horses, watch this Adam Something video in the meantime”
Indian right wingers be feeling the same with their WhatsApp university degree😂🤣
@Russian Waifu (T-72 Tank Commander)🇷🇺 imagine being so cringe that you have to make new accounts on RUclips of all places
@Russian Waifu (T-72 Tank Commander)🇷🇺 Why are you so obsessed with age of consent? Under every other comment I see you relentlessly self-reporting, it's gross
Stop, get some help bro
20:05 this makes no sense. If the sewer cleaner makes this choice with no coercion under capitalism, the same guy would do it under the "socialist paradise" where there is supposedly no coercion and everyone does the jobs they want. Because he clearly loves doing it. He makes the choice freely, right?
36:50 then he says this which completely contradictory to nobody will clean sewers because it's in nobody's self interest to do that work.
ffffffuuuuu
because the real argument isn't a logical one
the real argument is: conservative thing = smiling person and happy tone :) leftist thing = frowning person and angry tone :(
sadly a lot of people don't require logical arguments to be convinced of something. If a baby got run over and it played heroic music half the people would applaud
I legitimately believe that capitalism doesn't force people to do necessary work, it just forces work to be necessary. There are so many people, myself included, that have great passion for certain types of work that they'll probably never get the chance to do. So many people are stuck in dead end, soul crushing jobs just so they can survive. It feels like almost no one has a constructive hobby anymore. Just think of all the artists, musicians, writers, and artisans that could be if the implicit coercion of work was removed.
Working seems easier when your needs are met. When you rely on a shitty job it makes it more stressful, but if you just have the choice then it may end up being enjoyable
So instead of working for money to provide for yourself you work for the state and they will give you enough bread to keep working. Sounds great. To quote Bernie Sanders when asked about people standing in bread lines " thats a good thing"
@@kp63 stop shadowboxing strawmen. Nobody actually believes in or approve of the idea of socialism you have in your head
the simple existence of choice can make something more appealing.
Works in parenting for example, giving kids a choice between a few options can make it easier to win them over to whatever it is you are trying to do.
@@kp63 before fdr there bread lines in deregulated capitalism of the 1930s - was that communism - now what - you have been exposed
We already have a pretty simple solution for jobs people dont want to do: money.
Make necessary jobs that suck ass pay better, and people will do them.
If we did that instead of depriving them of alternatives and then paying them like shit, people probably wouldnt mind so much.
This feels like the most obvious answer. Most socialist/market socialist whatever you wanna say would still have salaries and the same incentive structures. It becomes more complicated when one envisions a classless society without currency.
This guy thinks the wealthy aren't benefiting from the stolen value of others.... but we can guess his thoughts on unions or any kind of worker group that could organize a strike.
exactly - capitalist use the power of state to keep the workers in line - but if the workers unionize to help even the playing field - that is not fair
That brief moment where he alludes to the real problem they have with it: "not in some distant future or in the next life, but here and now". That gives away the game- they need people to remain hopeless about their current life because otherwise they wouldn't need to be religious
The point he makes at around 18:00 about how humans want to work. im a lazy person and i like laying about doing nothing. but the times ive felt best about myself was when a huge storm ripped through my town i helped out on getting people out of rubble then i helped with cutting up trees that fll in thr roads so proper first responders could get where they had to go. Going to bed that night flushing the toilet with a bucket of water and then having a gallon of water and a glow stick for the light in my room knowing i had probably made the difference of life and death for others was the best night of sleep ive ever had.
Helping people helps yourself, better to run to the problem if you can help than run away and keep your skills and hands from making the difference. That being said dont stand around in the way if your not going to help you make it harder.
“Socialism happens because people are raspberry jelly”
WUT LMAO
When Vaush said “so say you’re on a plane”, I was ready for him to use an analogy about someone having to do maintenance on the plane’s sewage system to prevent it from crashing.
"marxism is when people care for the environment" was not a take i was expecting within the first minute
Honestly though I think sewer work would be a lot more enjoyable in a marxist society because it would be respected a whole lot more? Under capitalism people who work those kinds of jobs are seen as desperate losers who can't get any better jobs, but if no one was coerced to do it then doing it would be a selfless act of self sacrifice for the good of the community and I think that would earn someone a great deal of respect. Like if you go back to the deserted island example, say if I was stuck on an island with a couple people and we came to the conclusion that the only safe way to deal with our fecal waste was for someone to pick it all up and go bury it in different places, I would be incredibly grateful to someone who offered to do that and would probably give them some preferential treatment like giving them better food or more soap or not asking them to do other difficult jobs. And if no one wanted to do that job I may also feel a sense of responsibility and wanting to protect other people and offer to do it myself even though I would never want to touch feces under regular circumstances.
What's interesting is that in the list of what Marxism is there's no mention of Economics which is what Marx actually wrote about and that it is still taught as part of Economics courses. But whoever wrote this has clearly never read any of Marx's works. They don't even understand how subsistence economies function which depends on members doing multiple tasks to enable their society to function. They also have a fundamental misunderstanding of Marxism in as much there is nothing in Marxism which prevents incentivising people to do challenging work. The writer of A Christmas Carol was Charles Dickens a Victorian writer whose books make it clear he was an SJW. As usual, these right-wing morons conflate Marxism with Leninism.
Everyone should have the right to have a enjoyable life without the need of making money and draining yourself for others.
I started volunteering at a railroad museum this summer and its completely turned me around on how I view work. I'm willing to put in 8 hours a day on my feet on my days off, climbing on railcars, hammering spikes, shoveling track ballast rocks, all for no pay. All because I love trains, and everyone else there loves trains, we talk about trains while we work, we work because if we didn't we couldn't run our trains and keep the museum running. We're not being paid to break our backs for a company that wants to get as little people as possible to do the most work, we do what needs to be done. I wish I could go there and work every day. If I didn't need to pay for food and shelter I would. Regular paying work makes me depressed now because its never as fun or rewarding.
Reminds me of Dragon Ball Abridged.
"Do I even have a choice?"
Neo-cons: Of course you do! Either you work a miserable job you hate or you starve :D
"Dad, that's not a choice, that's an ultimatum..."
Neo-cons: Son, we both know I don't know what that word means.
"Obviously not..."
I can’t stop thinking about the contradiction that in a socialist economy there will be no one to clean the sewers, but in the capitalist economy that Prager U says everyone has free choice in, it gets done. Either people freely choose to clean the sewers in the capitalist system, which means they will also freely do it in a socialist system since those people must enjoy it and PragerU mocks the idea that people have time to do what they want in a socialist system, OR PragerU acknowledges there is coercion in the capitalist system that is missing in the socialist system.
When you're a capitalist, you don't see the fact that if people don't work enough to make one's boss happy they'll starve as coercion. It's idiot but that's how this people's mind works.
Socialism = Planned Economy. Capitalism = Supply, Demand, and Labor Factored Economic System.
In a Socialist and/or Communist System, everything is assigned and planned.
"Would there be oil rig workers in Alaska if the pay wasn't as high?" Well, plenty of people volunteered for a oneway trip to Mars, so the demographic is certainly out there.
"GREEDY, GRASPING, UNFEELING!"
Voosh: *starts singing Thrift Shop by Mackelmore* @37:29
That was quite fitting, even though he didn't intend it.
anyone who makes a video for prager u should not be allowed to be a professor or teacher anywhere ever again.
Only Karl Marx Propaganda Peddlers. Got it.
Marxism is doing so well for North Korea.
Marxist is like the Emperor Palpatine to these people.
Emperor Marx: "Join the communist side."
Sith sabers are red for a reason
Little known fact but Karl Marx was actually the first leftie debate bro
They literally said:
"Marx is dead and was poor"
Truly the biggest brain criticism of Marx. Incredible stuff.
Mister "Karl Marx was out of touch with reality" thinks people voluntarily choose to become sewer workers.
It’s easier to sell something which your audience has built in bias for.
"The desire to own things makes you a bad person". That's not Marx, that's Buddhism.
I'm pretty sure a buddhist would say the desire to own things causes pain, not that it makes you a bad person. Still, that idea is certainly closer to some religious nonsense than political / economic theory.
It is not the having, it is the desire that is the issue. Buddhism wishes to see an end to suffering by bringing an end to desire. So that anything you have or gain is appreciated, and so that work is done for its own sake. Possessions are not 'wrong' in Buddhist thought, possessiveness is. Buddhism is against envy, jealousy and greed, and is for compassion, common good, and selflessness.
@@ariandynas Yeah, you're probably right. It's been a while since I've studied any buddhist philosophy.
To be clear though, desiring to own something wouldn't make you a 'bad' person in the same way that christians believe sinning makes you a 'bad' person. Just that desiring things causes pain and by being desirous you cause yourself pain. Yeah? Or do buddhists actually equate desiring material objects to being a 'bad' person?
@@they-call-me-mister-trash847 Well in Buddhist thought no one is a bad person *or* a good person. There is only the sum of your karma - the consequences of your actions. By the doing of good the doer becomes good, by the doing of evil, the doer becomes evil. As for Christian thought, well it depends on what Christians you ask, cause in many places a 'proper' follower of Christ would say "There are no evil people, only the misguided." - there's a reason why the New Testament proper doesn't spend a lot of time on the topic of what the punishment is, but rather on what to do and what *not* to do. "Give away all your worldly goods and live among the poor if you wish to do my bidding." and all that.
Everybody post your crazy job that you love ahaha, I build electrical pits, we dig a lot of holes, it's muddy, hot, and we're working around dangerous machinery, high voltage cables, and sometimes even asbestos. And I freaking love my job. Today I met a guy who oversees a concrete recycling plant, and he excitedly taught me about the workings of a rock crushing machine that sorts crushed rock into different chunk sizes. It's someone's job to stand by the conveyor belt and pick out any chunks of non-magnetic metal from the rocks. These people are happy as hell. Different stripes for different types man. I can see the appeal to sewer work, if you've got a high smell tolerance, going through the secret underground tunnels is so cool.
it's funny how this guy and I have the similar knowledge of Marxism (not that much even as a Democratic Socialist) and yet I'm not gonna do a video about my ignorance of Marxism.
Some communities fill dirty disliked jobs by having everyone do them part time. Everyone has a turn at dishes and toilets, so everyone has an incentive to make those jobs easier.
"Marx died over 100 years ago, why do people still care about his ideas?" - the people who won't support anything that goes against what the founding fathers said
If you start talking to someone about Marx's ideas without mentioning Marx himself, people tend to agree and say that it makes sense, and that we can see evidence to back it up.
...that REALLY depends on your framing and the type of ideas, though.
Marx's explanation of alienation is a very metaphysical concept that imo doesn't make much sense at all.
Marx's understanding of what a worker is has basically no relevance to modern time anymore (which is also why leftists should just abandon that term rather than expand it and stretch it in weird ways to make it still relevant).
Marx's way of describing classes is at this point pretty irrelevant as well.
A lot of the descriptive things Marx said were true of society in his day, but upon further analysis aren't accurate to society today, unless you abstract them to a level that almost completely ignores his writings.
PragerU doesn't even try to be honest. It's actually kinda sad
What? Implying Vaush does?……rhymes with anchor!
@@Showbizboy okay, so what has Vaush said that is dishonest?
Vaush should have someone on to talk about Scandinavia and our politics, since it seems to come up quite often
Prager U could have just titled their video Bootlicking 101.
Marxism is when mommy won't let me get extra sprinkles on my ice cream 😠😭
Why does anyone still care about Jesus. He’s been dead for thousands of years.
He kinda ressurected from the dead.
@@christophersnedeker2065 in myth, not in reality
@@chaosomnium6566 Christ is where myth and reality collide, he was fully a myth and fully real at the same time, we live in a fairy tale.
@@christophersnedeker2065 why do you believe that we live in a fairy tale? is that a way to justify your belief in christ, by denying objective reality?
@@chaosomnium6566 a fairy tale is objective reality.
Will someone explain to me what percentage of the 100 morbillion deaths had anything to do with worker ownership of the means of production
13:48 - _"In a philosopher's socialist paradise, one gets to..."_
... this is exactly what one gets in a capitalist society - when just owning a lot of capital without work, grants you all the material luxury, yet you're not weighed down with the confidence of a moocher!
Was the guy in the video suffering dementia or was this a 0/10 effort to gaslight his audience?
Seriously he contradicted himself at least 3 times in the video. Like, wtf.
I'm pretty sure both are true of Dennis Prager. He does have dementia, AND all his content is a 0/10 effort to gaslight his audience.
@@Tacklepig why does he have that piece of hair hanging down his head - does he look in the mirror when he gets up
Any Capitalist Mention’s Coercion
Vaush: So lets say-
Vaush at 20:20: "So, say you're on a plane-"
Chat: *WARP SPEED ACTIVATED*
Brad Thompson reminds me of the blonde Nazi guy from Hellsing
He is the "Executive Director of the Clemson Institute for the Study of Capitalism," a Koch funded section within the Clemson business school...in a position that facilitates “Donor Supported Faculty Positions" for professors and researchers dedicated to the goals and mission of the Charles Koch Foundation
"Oh wow. I can't wait to tune into another episode of Vaush's insightful philosophical commentary."
Vaush: *dabs* "and then he did the holocaust"
Bro Marxism amongst academics is one of the most respected fields because of how it analyzed material conditions.
It's always funny seeing conservatives critique capitalism when criticizing socialism, but it's especially wild when they actually admit it lmao
"Nobody wants to be a septic worker, without artificial incentives nobody would do it!"
about the sewer worker issue, it could be something more like jury duty, something people take turns doing so we don't have a set group of people constantly doing the worst jobs, which is kinda something we do now in capitalism--if you're a trash collector, a sewer worker, etc rn, that is Your job, for the foreseeable future until you quit, so i think most would agree it's better to do a gross job once or twice a year, month (depending on the area and how often it needs to be done) than to do it 40 hours a week for months, years, even decades
All Marx was trying to do was advocate for the freedom & autonomy for the inhabitants of Dreamland by coercing Kirby into his bidding. Kirby wouldn't choose to stop the Sun & Moon fighting freely after all!
"Marx has been dead for a hundred years, therefore he doesn't matter anymore. Now let me go on to cite the declaration of independence."
*Bible