MLB Hall of Fame Voters MUST BE STOPPED.. (rant)
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- 2021 MLB Hall of Fame Voters MUST BE STOPPED.. (rant & MLB Recap)
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One of the greatest ballots of all time and bro put 0💀
That man fasho a virgin with no bitches
He don't have any respect for the game, the players or the fans, period.
yeah that fifth ballot is absurd
They cheated end of story
@@yellowfin6183 ur a virgin end of story
These writers make the HOF an absolute joke. Just like the three people that didn't vote for Griffey or the 1 guy that didn't vote for Jeter.
Jeter is probably the most overrated player of his era. He is most certainly not a unanimous hall of fame player. At best he is a middle of the pack guy. His career war is lower than Lou Whitaker who still isn't in the hall
The moral hand wringing over steroids is particularly hilarious when you consider Selig was elected to the Hall with almost zero controversy, despite the fact that he knowingly and actively turned a blind eye to the use of steroids because they were making MLB money.
Ortiz will probably make it in even tho he did roids.. the hypocrisy is real
Bonds broke a sacred record out of jealousy of McGwire and Sosa,ruined the games numbers he’s a cheat lol dudes career high before ROIDS was 34hrs
@@Ninjersey1 cry, Bonds is a HOF
💯
The worst part is plenty of older players that are cherished may have cheated as well we just don’t know because the testing isn’t the same, but they’re all looked at through rose tinted glasses and these guys are vilified
bro the first guy did vote for Helton though but his ballot was trash overall I agree
And I think what helps ARod is he has become somewhat of a “media darling” now with all his broadcast work and such, it will probably help his case a lot
Media Darling?! Because he works for Fox and ESPN? Don't be fooled....the actual voters hate his guts( envy/jealousy)... the steroids controversy will be used as a cover to not vote for him
Did you hear the chants he got during the playoffs? Plenty still hate A-Roids guts. Apparently Jenny couldn’t go through with marrying the guy either.
@@dansanfrisco Jenny is trash lol
I just feel like it’s kind of hypocritical that the commissioner that benefited from the steroid guys and knew that they were using is in the HOF but the players he benefited from are finding it hard to get in. 🤦🏾♂️ bunch of hypocrites.
Something needs to be done about the credibility of these voters.
My votes would be Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Todd Helton, Jeff Kent, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, A-Rod, Sammy Sosa, Andrew Jones, and Scott Rolen.
Very respectable bro
Curt Schilling?
@@tylergash3175 He asked to not be voted for. I think he's a HOF, but he personally asked.
@Tyler Gash If Curt Schilling wants to be voted in through the veterans comity, he can do that. That is an extra vote for someone to use on Manny Ramirez.
Yes but why not just have him completely removed from the ballet at this point if that’s what he requested in the first place
These voters need to stop with the whole “I’m not gonna vote for anyone” thing. If you’re not gonna vote then give up your vote to someone who will. These voters are on such a high horse but a lot of them lack credibility themselves.
So what if there is a year where there just isn't enough HOF caliber guys on the ballot? Should someone possibly get elected just because every voters had to cast a minimum number of votes?
@@unkledoda420 there were a number of people that were HOF caliber and you shouldn't be a voter if you're not going to vote for anyone in the first place.
@@unkledoda420 If these low minded voters dont think there are enough HOF caliber players among all of these ones on the list, at least they would make their little brainies put to a little work and mention some of the players they think they belong to HOF, instead of that crap of empty ballots; I totally agree with Fuzzy...what a SHAME !
Thanks for still uploading videos even during lockout
You mean lockout not lockdown lol. I’m like, where is this guy from that he’s in lockdown 😝
@@danapaul3216 Thx
So this is the second year in a row that Steve Marcus has casted 0 votes for HOH candidates. In the 2020 ballot, he only voted for Derek Jeter and in the 2019 ballot, he voted for Edgar Martinez and Mariano Rivera. The guy is stingy with his votes.
he shouldn't be a voter, he doesn't vote
How are people not voting Andrew Jones and Scott Rolen? It's madness... (also Bobbie Abreu needs some respect, he was scary)
Rolen will get in eventually Jones fell off the table too early
jones does not deserve to be in the HOF lol
I kind of think Jones, Helton and Kent personify "Hall of Very Good". Surprised this guy talks about them like no doubt guys. I think Rolen should get in though.
Kent will get in eventually too but it will be a while
Let's keep in mind they played in the steroid era with no steroid allegations, mutch like mcgriff their numbers are mad as clean players
First time viewer I literally before watching. I was talking to my mom how NASCAR hall of fame a guy got in with 49% vote. The voting system needs to change and definitely votes need to be public. I didn’t know they could volunteer to reveal who they voted for. Voting for hometown players like Ryan Howard maybe the voters votes for players that played in the city they worked in. Should be less of a vote and consider lowering the voting percentage. Baseball has changed so much since the conception of the hof ballot system. Great video man and I don’t know what made me go on a rant like you. Steroid users saved baseball why punish them when the owners and commissioner knew what they were doing.
Man, Gibby was just the best. Love his retrospective at the end there. RIP to one of the greatest to take the mound
These voters need to take into consideration that had these “tarnished” players not saved the game after the ‘94 strike, they’d all be out of jobs. Throwing pro ball players under the bus to save face is bullshit. As Gibson mentioned, players have cheated for as long as baseball’s been played. It’s ultimately a grey area between “illegal” and “advancement”. I suppose any athlete drinking protein shakes or sleeping in an oxygen capsule should be barred as well. I mean, since it wasn’t available in the 1920’s.
Not the same...at all
There’s gotta be something where you have put in 5-10 votes because that fact that someone put 0 votes is actually just sad and I think you got put in votes for those players that Deserve to be in the hall of fame.
Totally agree, it’s so disrespectful to not vote anyone, as if these writers and voters have some sort of real authority over the history of the game and who should be remembered and recognized.
I could see putting zero if there is absolutely no one worthy of it but this ballot was loaded with great players.
As a Braves fan I really don’t like Barry bonds, the guy took away Hank Aaron’s record by juicing, I don’t care who you are that’s essentially playing the show against CPU on rookie and saying you’re the best player in the game. He shouldn’t be a hall of famer, was he a good player, yes, could he have actually earned his status as a hall of famer, also yes. But since he never showed us his career without steroids we will never know if he was actually better than Hank. And for that, in my mind he will never be a hall of famer.
AGREED!!!!
I’m also a Braves fan, but my stance is different Be free to disagree however you please, this is is just my opinion. Hank Aaron will forever be my role model, for what he did both on and off the field. He is my favorite player of all time. As a young black he is my inspiration of who I want to be. However, I do believe Barry Bonds should get into the hall of fame because he already had a hall of fame resume before he started juicing (which most sources agree was in 1998). At that point, he already had a 400-400 career, something no other player has done before or since. That, and the fact he already had 3 MVP awards meant that even if he never played another game, he would have probably made it in. However, he is NOT home run king, as 1. He only had 7 more home runs than Hank, so make that 71 home run season a 63 homerun season (which is still outrageously high) and he has no crown
2. Hank Aaron was a more dignified and overall better man than him by a extreme marging
Once again, this is just my opinion.
Am I missing something? Cuz the first guy did voted for Helton tho
Seeing all these names on these ballets brings back memories.
It saddens me that all these guys won’t make the Hall when in my eyes they are all HoFs
Always loved Gibson's take on it
I think that while Lincecum had a short career, man won 3 WS and 2 Cy Young awards...
I'm a biased Giants fan but still.
Love me some Timmy. Just something about a short skinny guy mowing down the big behemoths of baseball. It was pleasing.
If Pete Rose can't get in, every player affiliated with steroids should be banned as well. Rose bet on his team to win, wasn't like he was out there tanking plays. While these other players blatantly cheated. But that's just my opinion.
This. Anyone crying Bonds should be in loses my respect forever
Rose agreed to a lifetime ban from MLB to avoid perjury charges. He was facing potential prison time or at the least a huge lawsuit, so they offered a settlement where he accepted a lifetime ban. This is not debatable. This argument just needs to be buried, sure maybe the steroid guys cheated, but none of them accepted a ban willfully, this is an incredibly ignorant argument that just needs to stop, you're comparing apples to oranges and pretending like the orange is a firetruck.
Amen brother. Got to get Charlie hustle in the hall of fame
Oh oh and also tax evasion
@@elvisfan6475 nah. No pedophiles
A rule requiring a minimum amount of votes should be put into place...or any blank ballot voter be ousted
Haters gonna hate, no matter what system is in place
There are some cases where it would make sense to have a blank ballot. If you think that bill James was right about who should be in the hall of fame, then 1988 would have been blank, and personally that 2008 ballot I can get being empty. Or in the future there’s a possibility that there is a ballot of hall of very good players.
@@someguyplayin6704 BS...there are ALWAYS worthy players on the ballot....blank ballots are due to someone being a sanctimonious,self-righteous,snotty sack of S#!T...or only want clones of Willie Mays and Cy Young...reality needs to hit these types of voters
@@michaelbaucom4019 I don't think someone should arbitrarily get in just because they're up in a weak ballot year though. Maybe instead of a rule about min votes per writer, they could have something like a consensus rule, like if you're the only guy that didn't vote for a certain amount of players they take you off the committee.
MLB HOF is the hardest to get into we don't want to see people getting in just because a voter isn't allowed to send in a blank ballot. It shouldn't be required to have a new inductee every year
@@someguyplayin6704 There are some cases, but not this one; there are very good players HOF worthy in the ballot, way better numbers than players who are already in the HOF; who are these voters anyway ? Maybe they didnt vote cause there are no players from their fav team in the ballot
The irony of the first ballet reviewed is that Rolen played for the Phillies during his career!
When I was a kid my dad took me to Cooperstown for the induction ceremony of Tony Gwynn (my dad's favorite player and team) and Ripken (I'm an orioles fan) and it was such a fun time and great experience minus the absolute crap hotel we stayed in up in NY 😂
Hey perfect timing we’re learning rants in school and we have to pick anyone u want and perfect timing ima do this-thx fuzzy
C'mon man, I got thousands of Bonds rookie cards I want to sell 😫 🤣
Good luck with that
Send me one or two for free. I just bought a new E-bike.
@ tubenachos I've got McGwires.
i cant imagine giving zero votes in this ballot like how do you tell the story of baseball with none of these people?
Cap Anson- member of the KKK and established segregation in baseball
Ty Cobb- alcoholic sociopath who fixed games and constantly got into fights
Rogers Hornsby- Involved in the KKK and refused to let Catholics play on his teams
Tris Speaker- fixed games and was also possibly in the KKK
Babe Ruth- Alcoholic who abused his first wife
Paul Waner, Hack Wilson, Grover Cleveland Alexander- All played often played drunk or had a major drinking problem
Orlando Cepeda- arrested for smuggling drugs into the country after career
Gaylord Perry- Made an entire career off throwing an illegal pitch
Kenesaw Mountain Landis- Kept baseball segregated for the duration of his tenure as commissioner
Bud Selig- did nothing about steroids in baseball until the government forced him to
Frank Thomas- we all know he did steroids
Duke snider- never paid his income taxes
Wade Boggs- had a gambling problem
Tim Raines- Carried cocaine in back pocket during games
Dave Parker- also did a lot of cocaine
These are examples of why the character clause is a complete joke used by writers who wanna feel better than everyone else
That's right, but voters probably don't want to go over that. Very good point!
You’re wrong about Frank Thomas
My ballot would include:
- Bobby Abreu
- Barry Bonds
- Roger Clemens
- Todd Helton
- Andruw Jones
- David Ortiz
- Manny Ramirez
- Alex Rodriguez
- Jimmy Rollins
- Sammy Sosa
It should be required to actually vote if you have the privilege of being a voter.
If Ozzie Smith made the HoF then Omar Vizquel definitely deserves it.
Very true.
I am a Phillies fan but I don’t think Howard deserves to be in the HOF
Yeah he had a good 4 year run but his defence is possibly the worst ever plus he was not able to keep it up. 4 years of god tier play tho
He really could’ve been an inner circle great if his Achilles didn’t betray him. A Hall of Famer in my heart, but I couldn’t in good conscience vote him in.
The best HOF analogy ever comes from Curb Your Enthusiasm
"You juicing?"
"It's not for performance it's for recovery I can put up those numbers anytime"
I personally do not want anyone that has cheated in the HOF.
Do you think the old timers didn't cheat? Bob Gibson just told you that they did!
I don’t care if people cheat. If you ain’t cheating then you ain’t trying. But if you get caught there should definitely be consequences. And what better consequence than removing you’re HOF eligibility.
I just think anyone that has been proven taking steroids should not be allowed in the Hall of Fame. I also think anyone that had cheated should not be in the Hall of Fame (anyone from the 2017 Astros). And anyone that has thrown baseball games for personal gain should not be allowed in the Hall of Fame (Black Sox and Pete Rose). Now with that being said, Shoeless Joe Jackson was never a part of the Black Sox scandal. He was on the team, but his numbers in the World Series were better than his regular season stats. Shoeless Joe should be in the Hall.
*and part of 2018 Red Sox, fixed it for ya
Wow, amazing recap! Also, can you please bring back the “Bigs” series.
I look at Kent, Rolen, and Vizquel as a similar group since they were all great infielders. Each of them are HOF in 2 of 3 main categories. But each of them are weak in one area which is either defense, longevity, or offense. I'm sick of people only making excuses to dismiss a guy who didn't have the big personality and persona. Rather than picking at the 1 thing they weren't the best at let's focus on the other 2 parts that makes them HOF. Plus, if you look at the percentage of players who played getting into the HOF it is lower today than it was in the past. Some people think of the HOF like the All Century Team but it is not that at all. There are a number of players in the HOF which were great but had one area that was just okay but the greatness as a whole is not overshadow by it but instead they shine like baseball stars. I would like to see them go in as a group of infielders since as a group I think they're elite and worthy of the HOF.
> STEVE MARCUS - Hi Fuzzy, I think they left the Ballot Page screen on, then when they were getting coffee, their PET CAT pounced on to their computer mouse, and that submitted their ballot without a single vote. LESSON OF THE YEAR - DON'T STEVE MARCUS YOUR HOF BALLOT ! ; )
They should just have everyone who got caught omit seasons where it was proven they used and judge their HoF case off of the years where they probably didn’t. Seems fair to me, but you can’t punish people without proof. Someone can use roids for 1-2 years towards the end of their career, doesn’t erase their impact and performance for the other 10+.
That’s one of the reasons Barry Bonds should be in, he was a hall of famer before using steroids he just wouldn’t have been breaking records
@@juliovonspit608 yeah but he broke the record and the record is tainted now so because of that he’s not getting in
@@Ninjersey1 yeah I don’t think he’ll get in but they could place an asterisk by the record
Beating/getting around a urine test isn't difficult. If a guy gets caught once it's extremely likely that there were other seasons they were roided up besides when they were unlucky/stupid enough to get caught.
@@unkledoda420 It’s never technically been proven that he used steroids ever
Only there *are* rules... albeit of the unwritten variety.
Win 300 games? You're in.
Hit 500 non steroid propelled home runs? You're in.
Get 3000 hits and not be Pete Rose? You're in.
Guy does any one of those three, no getting around it deserves to be in The Hall.
Barry Bonds needs to be a Hall of Famer and also Roger Clemens
@@Str8Maddeness you support an organization that turned a blind eye to PED usage?
They took drugs. When you put on that uniform at the start middle or end of your career and do drugs you should be history.
They should just make another Hall, the Hall of Stats.. now the cheaters can still feel special, the kids can smile, and genuine Stars like Chipper, Griffey, and Ichiro don't have to share a spot on the same list..
Everyone will be happy, but kids will still find a way to complaign about my comment.
I hate how many people overlook Sosa. Like he wasn’t even confirmed to have taken them (at least not by an official source from MLB) and yet Ortiz was in the same category of steroid users and hit less home runs and will get in the HOF.
I wasn't ready to vote for Larry Walker in the past if I had a ballot. But now that Walker in the HOF it gives people a chance to compare one high on base player with another high on base player Bobby Abreu. "Do I care if he gets on by a hit or by a walk? ...No, I do not!" (source: Moneyball)
I don’t think bonds or Clemens should be in the hall. Due to steroids. The game of baseball prides it’s self on the purity of the sport. That being said. No one that cheated should be in the hall of fame 💯
First, if you aren't going to vote for anyone, why request a ballot?
Second, the baseball HoF is a complete joke. Admission is voted on by people, whose job it is to drum up a story where there may or may not be one.
Third, on the outside chance that Bonds is voted in, I don't think he would even show up at the ceremony. If he did, they better have more than 15 seconds on their dump button.
Fourth, do the writers not understand, that as an entity, they should want as many people as possible to go see their shrine to greatness? How can they do that if they are purposely keeping out 2 of the 5 greatest players to ever lace up a pair of cleats. They are imbeciles.
They probably just close their eyes and start checking random boxes
I have been subbed for a while and am a fellow baseball RUclipsr. I was wondering, how do you get clips from games into the vid without copyright claims? Thanks
I honestly don’t even know why the public isn’t in charge of this.
Billy Wagner needs to be in. The guy struck out 33% of the batters he faced
Yall just gotta stop with Barry bonds hype. He ain't getting in, he took steroids. That sounds like a personal problem
The thing with Manny is that we don't know we he tested positive for the 2nd time, so he might not have gotten busted in 2011.
THE HALL OF SHAME!
THAT IS A BLACK SPOT
ON THE WHITE SHIRT!
BLAME MLB! THE VOICE AGAINST DISCRIMINATION!
🤢🤮 IM SICK!
They have to do something about it. The fact the number 1 statistical hitter of all time isn’t a Hall of Famer is absurd. It devalues your game more than putting a “steroid guy” in. Funny fact Bonds never got caught.
Also when everyone is cheating then that means it’s a even playing field. Nevermind the fact Bonds was having a HOF career even before people started to suspect something.
The fact is Barry Bonds had a lot of bad relationships with sports writers and this is their way to be petty. It’s sad
I am baffled and really don't understand how out of all 6 of those ballots not one is for Billy Wagner. Closers/Relievers are so undervalued. It's so easy go make a case that Billy Wagner is one the best. Especially after learning how to pitch left handed after naturally being a righty and easily became one of the best leftys. He threw gas and made batters look silly.
It's called the damn Hall of FAME. So, you would think that these players who are extremely famous and even revived baseball in their respective eras would make it in at first chance right?
If these most FAMOUS baseball players of recent times don't make it in (Ortiz, Clemons, Bonds, etc.), then the whole thing is just a joke. There are even players who have claimed to have cheat or even 'juice' that have already made it in the HOF. These voters just don't make any sense. Baseball would most likely not even be around anymore if it weren't for some of these guys getting snubbed right now...
The pass you might give Lynn Henning is that opting not to vote for Ortiz this year is probably under the assumption that he gets more votes in future years (and knowing he's going to make the threshold to stay on).
I can agree in many ways with not voting in Bonds/Clemens/Rodriguez/Schilling despite knowing--yes, knowing--they are some of the best players of all time. There are still plenty of players who deserve a vote, though, that're completely overlooked here. Wagner didn't get _nearly_ enough love.
If there is doubt, then leave out. I don't want any cheaters in the HOF. I rather have Pete Rose in the HOF before those cheaters.
BOOOOOOOM!!! "Charlie Hustle" they don't make em like that anymore. Running to 1st base, I loved it. I saw that clown Manny Machado hardly running on a beatable ground ball.
Barry Bond must be in the Hall. So too Pete Rose. the Hall doesn't amount to anything but a joke w/o the leading homer/hit leaders included. So too-Clemens. W or without an *.
Barry bonds is the best hitter of all time and has hall of fame stats but he wouldn’t get my vote. You have to keep in mind that the baseball hall of fame also takes into account leadership, honor, etc. Bonds was caught multiple times lying under oath and when he was discovered to be lying he proceeded to then attack these truth tellers.
If only guys like Bonds didn’t use steroids, their greatness would be unquestioned and legacy untainted
No matter who gets into the HOF. No one is happy, fuzzy was mad that A rod got a vote and then next one A rod wasn't vote in and he got upset
Andy Pettitte deserves more respect. 3x All-Star, most Postseason wins in MLB history and a major part of the last 5 Yankee championships.
Regular season numbers are far more important than post season when considering HOF. Petites regular season numbers don't really put him as one of the best pitchers of his era. Only making 3 all star teams kinda shows that.
nah scott rolen should be in the hall but he was a phillie for a while so that makes no sense and if u don't have bonds or clemens on your ballot ur baseball license should be revoked
Why can't we the fans Vote? I mean really, set the names out who you would like us to vote on and Maybe even do it through boxes of cards like blaster boxes of Topps Series 2 baseball cards. You send it in and if your players are voted in, you win something big!
Maybe Lynn Henning didn't vote for Ramirez or Ortiz because THEY COULDN'T FIELD THE BALL.
AT ALL.
That would be my guess based on his other votes.
Fuzzy ballot was an example of what not to do. There should be a min. age for voting on the baseball HOF since he's too young to fully understand the steroid era. It affected so many other players, games, seasons, franchises, memories in a negative way when you think about the alternative history that would of unfolded if they did play without it.
I’m confused when you say the alternate history that would’ve unfolded without steroids. Would you say Bonds wouldn’t have had a HoF career without steroids or he wouldn’t have broken any records?.
Barry deserves the HOF
I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s as bias as the All Star voting. If I had my choice of picks (which of course it debatable as are the one in the video). 1. Todd Helton, Torri Hunter, Andrew Jones, David Ortiz, Scott Role, and the. Billy Wagner.
Andy 3.86 4 career shutouts Pettitte? Had he stuck around for #300 he'd be a shoo in regardless of various stats but he took a year off and fell short. Did similar 3.80+ work in post season as well.
To be fair I'm not sure if that first guy had bias in his voting. Scott Rolen was also a Phillie and they didn't vote for him
No PED users to the hall.
i do understand the difference between barry bonds and roger clemens. barry bonds didnt really start using until after his pirates days, which he was already HOF caliber. Roger Clemens without steroids was NO WHERE NEAR the HOF caliber.
That's kinda ridiculous, their early careers had a similar trajectory, Clemens was a phenom from day one too, just like Bonds. If you're trying to suggest Bonds didn't use until later in his career, I don't know why Clemens is any different, the dynamic of pitching is just different. For pitchers it's more about faster recovery and durability.
I have zero issues with ballot 2 asides for only voting for 6. Voting for A-Rod, Bonds, and Clemens, and not Manny or Ortiz is not contradictory. The ones he voted for are simply better players.
Bonds, Clemons,Ortiz should go in together. Yes, they juiced but so did EVERYONE else in that era. They were the best. Steroids does not affect the brain and these guys were highly intelligent and used their abilities to the max.
Exactly. Theres plenty of existing HOFers who admitted to cheating too anyway
The HoF already has cheaters in it 🤣
Steve Marcus only voted for one player in 2020 as well… the older players weren’t under the same scrutiny as modern players and we didn’t test as much so we can’t judge any of these players to the same standards, the voters should be elected in or something because if we don’t trust the electors opinions what’s the point of any of this
Numbers and stats should be Hall of Fame criteria. I don’t care what people do off the field. If they put up the numbers and are great they should be Hall of Fame.
Gaylord Perry (a notorious spitballer), Bud Selig (the commissioner who turned a blind eye to steroids), & greenie/amphetamine users (Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, etc.) are in the Hall of Fame, but PED users shouldn't be? Make this make sense
Players I would never vote for Bonds, Sosa, A-Rod, Manny, David Ortiz, and Sheffield. For all those Ortiz fans why did the Mariners trade him if he was a HOF? Why did the Twins trade him? What happen when he was in Boston that turned his whole career around? Was his name on that preliminary test survey? If you tested positive or admitted it as a baseball hitter, or had a cork bat with your name on it then you disqualify yourself and were already rewarded in your playing days.
If folks are going to push the narrative that steroids are bad and players who used them shouldn't make it in, players who had great production like Rollins and Howard should have higher credibility in terms of HOF voting since they were as clean as clean could be and hit better than those players some years
Billy Pierce and his 3.27 lifetime ERA over 21 seasons gets just 4 votes. OK he wasn’t Whitey, Feller or Spahn but you would think 4th best should count for something.
Hey everyone, it's completely OK not to put some on your ballot. It's that person right or privilege to do so. I do agree with Fuzzy that these ballots are bad.
I’m glad voters are picky.
Also, I don’t think any of the steroids guys should get in. Players were warned. They were educated. And they still chose to cheat on the field.
There are so many players who made it in the HOF after admitting to cheating and even peds though, so thats not the issue.
I agree
I think you have you have to decide and either do all or none. I have no problem if someone does or doesn't want them in as long as it's consistent. If you want to put one in, fine, but that means you have to be cool with all linked, like mcgwire, palmero, bonds, Clemons and any others. If you don't want them to be in. Fine but you can't pick or choose
Yea I know what you mean, and honestly the only consistent way to do it is to let them all in, because there are definitely several players that are already in the hall that just never got caught.
Ortiz is more like A-Rod and Manny. Ortiz failed tests same as those two, Sosa didn't fail any tests.
But we already know that the HoF voting is completely subjective. The writers essentially just vote for the guys that they like. Look what happened to Jim Edmonds when he had his turn on the ballot.
PED users should not be in the Hall of Fame they made millions of dollars and signed huge contracts and were never punished. I think not getting into the Hall should be there punishment
Barry Bonds was an ELITE player in Pit and in SF. Did he take the juice, yea. But the guy put in crazy time, dedication and hard work to be the player he was. Same goes for Roger Clemens. I remember them growing up and you knew they were different, but for good reasons. Steroids helped but didn’t make the player IMO. I’m a Dodgers fan btw.
@@wannabewanderer3861 411HR, 1917 hits, 8,745 plate appearances, 6,195 ABs and 445 SB, 1,357 walks and a .289 avg in those PA’s from ‘86-‘98 (13 seasons). Assuming he started juicing after that 1998 HR chase season of Sosa and McGwire. Guy was on a superstar trajectory. Just like Griffey Jr. Both could play, had all the talent in the world and been around baseball all their lives with their dads being ball players. Granted as far as personality and character, Griffey takes it to another level. But in all seriousness Bonds w/o steroid was elite.
The disrespect for b wag is unreal
All I know is that there a list of Astros past/current players that better not ever get a chance to even see their name on a ballot.
Sorry, but A-Rod in the hall is comical. Caught twice and suspended for a year? He's lobbying hard but if he wants to go to Cooperstown, make him buy a ticket like the rest of us.
So 3000 hits and 500 hrs isn’t the platform used for establishing Hall of Famers? What is? Scott Rollin had a nice career but he is not a Hof.
Andy was taking them when he was hurt though. He wasn't taking them to be better than anybody else. He was taking them to heal faster so he could get back to playing. That's why he gets a pass, I think.
he isnt hall of fame worthy tho. he wasnt good enough
I'm a no roids guy, if anyone on this list was proven to have taken them, I didn't know and you can consider them off the list.
Helton
Jones
Rolen
Teixeira
Visquel
Wagner
explain how there are ped users in the hall of fame already then
@@Iukaz Mistakes by the voters
hey fuzzy if u could pick 3 people to go in the hsll of fame from this season who would it be
David Ortiz shouldn't be in the HoF. Neither should Edgar Martinez honestly. A career DH didn't have to work as hard as the other guys if they never played the field.
Bonds, McGwire and Clemmons aren't there because of their PED past but lets ignore that Big Papi spent a lot of his career as a DH and bench warmer, his past PED use......along with his association with Dominican drug dealers, is going to get ignored? When , not if that happens, the HoF will have as much credibility as the Oscars for when Saving Private Ryan lost out to Shakespeare in Love.
Barry bonds is not a hall of famer
Jimmy “average hitter” Rollins has 2,455 hits. Thank you.
Right, and it’s like people forget that he played shortstop. His position is incredibly relevant to this entire debate. You didn’t have big-bodied guys like Tulowitzki or Correa or Tatis running around back then. The tide of crazy-hitting shortstops being commonplace is a recent phenomenon, too. A-Rod, Jeter, and Nomar Garciaparra were very much exceptions to the rule in their time. So yeah, Jimmy Rollins deserves to get in for sure if you ask me.
@@recoveringdaydreamer when you look at Rollins’ career stats and accomplishments, he’s most similar to Barry Larkin, who is in the HOF.
Also I don't really think it should matter if a player used steroids during the Grey Area of steroid use, the fact is they benefited from it.
If the purpose of banning PED's is to keep players from aritificially inflating their numbers, then it shouldn't matter that Arod or Manny did it at a time of bigger scrutiny, otherwise you're just saying "Well Bonds and Clemens should get a pass because it wasn't technically illegal."
Wasn't Rolen on the Phillies for quite a while (Jack McCaffrey)?