Disrguntled soldier complains to Rumsfeld
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- (8 Dec 2004)
1. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld standing in front of troops
2. SOUNDBITE: (English) Thomas Wilson, Army Specialist - 278th Regimental Combat Team:
"We've had troops in Iraq for coming up on for three years and we've all been staged here out of Kuwait. Now why do we soldiers have to dig through local land fields for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up armour our vehicles and why don't we have those resources readily available to us." (applause and cheering from soldiers)
3. SOUNDBITE (English) Donald Rumsfeld, US Defence Secretary:
"I missed the first part of your question, could you repeat that?"
4. SOUNDBITE (English) Thomas Wilson, Army Specialist - 278th Regimental Combat Team:
"Our soldiers have been fighting in Iraq for coming up on three years. A lot of us are getting ready to move north real soon. Our vehicles are not armoured. We are are digging pieces of rusted scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass that has already been shot up, dropped, busted, picking the best out of this scrap to put on our vehicles go into combat. We do not have proper armour vehicles to carry with us north."
5. SOUNDBITE (English) Donald Rumsfeld, US Defence Secretary:
"I talked to the general coming out here about the pace with which the vehicles are being armoured. They are being brought from all over the world wherever they are not needed to a place here where they are needed. I am told they are being.. the army is, I think it is something like 400 a month are being done and it is essentially a matter of physics. It isn't a matter of money, it isn't a matter on the part of the army of desire, it is a matter of production and capability of doing it. As you know, you go to war with the army you have not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time. Since the Iraq conflict began the army has been pressing ahead to produce the armour necessary, at a rate they believe, it is a greatly expanded rate from what existed previously, but it's a rate they believe is the rate all that can be accomplished at this moment."
6. Cutaway of soldiers
STORYLINE:
After delivering a pep talk in Camp Buehring, Kuwait, designed to energize US troops preparing to head for Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld got a little "talking to" himself from disgruntled soldiers.
The soldiers complained to Rumsfeld about the lack of armour for their vehicles and long deployments, drawing a blunt retort from the Pentagon chief.
"You go to war with the Army you have," he said in a rare public airing of rank-and-file concerns among the troops.
In his prepared remarks earlier, Rumsfeld had urged the troops, mostly National Guard and Reserve soldiers, to discount critics of the war in Iraq and to help "win the test of wills" with the insurgents.
Some of soldiers, however, had criticisms of their own, not of the war itself but of how it is being fought.
Army Specialist Thomas Wilson, for example, of the 278th Regimental Combat Team, comprised mainly of citizen soldiers of the Tennessee Army National Guard, asked Rumsfeld in a question-and-answer session why vehicle armour is still in short supply, nearly three years after the war in Iraq began.
"Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmour our vehicles?" Wilson asked.
A big cheer arose from the approximately 2,300 soldiers in the cavernous hangar who assembled to see and hear the secretary of defence.
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So basically his answer is "sorry son, it's because we didn't think this shit through ahead of time so now you gotta die due to our incompetence."
You're just a smart-ass behind a keyboard. Can you see everything in advance?
That took true courage. I hope he came back alive and in one piece.
Unfortunately, shortly after that he was discharged for speaking out!
@@tbirds05 link?
@@Adam444Tv I don't have a link, I was there when it happened, it was in camp freedom in 04! Look it up!
@Axel I know it's hard to believe because there are so many people that are full of shit! But I was, I was stationed at camp, liberty for 3 months and spent 18 months in balad Iraq, in operation Iraq freedom! with 5th group special forces, 3 bn out of Fort Lewis washigton, were I was a combat truck driver, I was part of one of the deadliest convoy ambushes in O.I.F 3!
@@tbirds05 hope youre legit. Has anyone searched for the individual?
What makes asking the Secretary of Defense an honest, good question “disgruntled”
Propaganda
Disgruntled: angry or dissatisfied
"What makes asking the Secretary of Defense an honest, good question "disgruntled"
...... What? Do you even know what "disgruntled" means?
Because this soldier was disgruntled..... Why is that a bad thing to you? Do you understand words?
@ GetmeoutofSanFrancisco
On paper, the term "disgruntled" does mean angry or discontent; however, what you've failed to account for is words having contexts and connotations. Disgruntled has long been used as a negative, typically describing irrational people pushed to violence : "disgruntled worker kills 9; disgruntled employee rams building."
Don't try to flex your big-brain on us if it's smooth as glass, buddy.
Because he's quite clearly disgruntled.
he heard the question the first time ,his person in earpiece had to give him a good answer
he is himself the one on the earpiece to all presidents .
I always felt like Rumsfeld was fairly straight forward. It is Dick Cheney and some others that worry me (specifically the jews)
@@actualideas8078 Cringeworthy take.
Probably Rumsfeld was not used to being questioned publicly, and it surprised him. That administration sought and weeded out anyone who questioned them.
@@actualideas8078 “The Jews”
Can I have some of what you’re having man? Seems like good stuff.
Rumsfeld dodged the question like the reptile he was - the soldier quite clearly said they’d been in Iraq for 3 years. That isn’t going to war with the army you have. That’s a failure to equip the troops you have 36 months after going into combat.
evidence of non-existent planning post-invasion. The architects of the war should be tried for negligence.
We shouldn't have been there in the first place but our handling of the landscape post-invasion was CRIMINAL!!!
Why was planning needed? According to Rumsfeld, we were going to be greeted with people throwing rose petals. Remember that particular fallacy?? There were so many fallacies Rumsfeld shared, it's hard to keep them all in track.
This guy was from my brigade. Rumsfeld's visit was unknown to virtually everyone. I was not at the press conference because at that moment I was actively taping scrap metal to outdated trucks that were going to Iraq in the next 48 hours. I was commo/infantry. They just needed guys to tape metal to trucks. There was also a whole motor pool full of 1114s slated for an active army unit that wasn't even in country yet.
Were there any repercussions for the soldier?
@@datapolo wtf.
Shelby Cobra Like this is the Soviet Union
@Karen Camille all of that stuff
Thank you for your service
You know he got disciplined big time for that. Good for him!
You know it. Bad bureaucrats shouldn't be the worser of two enemies, but it's the sad truth.
He did, he was discharged!
Shame on AP Archives for the title: 'disgruntled soldier.' That speaks volumes on the political mindset of AP Archives. Since when does asking a justifiable question quantify as 'disgruntled'?? We are talking people's lives -- You need to correct the title of this -- you guys are revealing your bias. We need generals as brave as this soldier; instead we have Rumsfeld who faked the premise for the Iraq war able to retire with millions in profits.
Disgruntled means displeased or dissatisfied. Stop being a snowflake
@K The term "disgruntled" does indeed mean and discontent - but is often used in negative connotations; "disgruntled employee kills 9," "disgruntled employee rams building;" the term "Going postal" is derived from postmen losing it and hurting people - originally deemed "disgruntled postmen."
Do try harder next time - both on the information, and your lame, knee-jerk insults, boy.
@@idontwantone132 This goes beyond disgruntled and it's cliche.
Well what do you expect? The media bought the lies first before the masses do. Theyre the mouthpiece for the ruling gov
I guess ole Rumsfeld has found out by now...he couldn't take it with him.😢😢
The irony of soldiers fighting for free speech, yet they lose their free speech as soon as they enlist
Fights for freedom
Returns home and has none😂
That took some serious balls to confront Rumsfeld like that, this soldier is a true patriot. I have to wonder what those two guys were discussing at 0:26, perhaps something to the effect of "Frag this mother effer.".
I don't normally speak ill of the dead, but Rummy was such a slime ball, I wouldn't put it past him to have had this soldier degraded in some way and/or had his military record altered in such as way as to screw him out of many VA benefits or worse.
Thank you for bringing up that he is dead I just did a search and saw his age 88 and assumed he was well alive. It’s good to know he’s not around. Hope you’re doing good!
This Devil lied to all them soldier's ..
Cant fault the soldiers either. They were stupid. The dumbs who work for the liars. Perfect for total chaos ey?
Rumsfeld response to the U.S. serviceman' s legitimate and thoughtful question is still upsetting 20 years later. Rumsfeld was a complete, clueless jack wad!
In response to a question by a soldier in Iraq asking why their tanks don't have adequate armoring, Donald Rumsfeld said,
"You go to war with the army you have...."
Meaning, you go into battle even if your troops are ill equipped. Even if they don't have proper weapons or armor or tanks.
Try it this way. " If the army you have isn't ready to fight properly, you DON'T GO TO WAR ! "
Old men like Cheney who make the wars sit back in the comfort of their homes and offices and are so cavalier with the lives of others.
Bastard.
Especially when politicians like Rumsfeld faked the basis for invading Iraq.
@@sagapoetic8990 So True !
Rumsfeld just died. I shed no tears.
@@renzo6490 Yes -- no tears for someone who should have been jailed for his crimes but instead got off scott-free
I think he is referring to the Humvee not tanks.
@@alastair9446 You are correct. The fact is that in more ways than one, the soldiers were ill equipped.
"Iraq-Bound Troops Confront Rumsfeld Over Lack of Armor
By Eric Schmitt NYT
Dec. 8, 2004
CAMP BUEHRING, Kuwait, Dec. 8 - In an extraordinary exchange at this remote desert camp, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld found himself on the defensive today, fielding pointed questions from Iraq-bound troops who complained that they were being sent into combat with insufficient protection and aging equipment.
Specialist Thomas Wilson, a scout with a Tennessee National Guard unit scheduled to roll into Iraq this week, said soldiers had to scrounge through local landfills here for pieces of rusty scrap metal and bulletproof glass - what they called "hillbilly armor" - to bolt on to their trucks for protection against roadside bombs in Iraq.
"Why don't we have those resources readily available to us?" Specialist Wilson asked Mr. Rumsfeld, drawing cheers and applause from many of the 2,300 troops assembled in a cavernous hangar here to meet the secretary. Mr. Rumsfeld responded that the military was producing extra armor for Humvees and trucks as fast as possible.
A few minutes later, a soldier from the Idaho National Guard's 116th Armor Cavalry Brigade asked Mr. Rumsfeld what he and the Army were doing "to address shortages and antiquated equipment" National Guard soldiers heading to Iraq were struggling with.
Mr. Rumsfeld seemed taken aback by the question and a murmur began spreading through the ranks before he silenced them. "Now settle down, settle down," he said. "Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."
He said all organizations had equipment, materials and spare parts of different vintages, but he expressed confidence that Army leaders were assigning the newest and best equipment to the troops headed for combat who needed it most.
Nonetheless, he warned that equipment shortages would probably continue to bedevil some American forces entering combat zones like Iraq. "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time," Mr. Rumsfeld said.
When I was a teenager and 9/11 happened, I was pretty much immediately on the side of Alex Jones and his conspiracy theories, but something about Rumsfeld made me, even at 13 or 14 go 'I like that guy. After all, he's a defense advisor, and defense is one thing. Offense is another." To be naive again...
But then eventually you got older and wiser and realized Donald Rumsfeld is a war criminal. Right?
He seemed straight forward, but he just like that entire cabinet/administration were world-class bullshitters, and evil to the core. I got the vibe of how much of a snake he was immediately.
Rumsfeld 100% heard the question.
You'd think that he would be much better at deflecting
@Diana hohimer It's a tactic. He definitely heard the question, he needed to stall for time to cook up his BS.
God Bless that soldier! That bastard Rumsfield never cared about the soldiers
And thus, the MRAP was born.
Is it just me, or does video from 2006... a year I was alive and an adult and remember... look like it’s from the 80’s?!?
I was 10 back then, live broadcast quality used to suck as far as I remember.
The quality increased. I was a kid back then, and I remember this video's quality as being the norm.
@@geridamas935 I remember how it was like this as well
Dick Cheney- "What do we believe?"
Donald Rumsfeld- "Pffff!.."
This was 2004-2005 OIF3 278th RCT ...It was a DAM! Mess but the cavalry Troops know how to fight hard!!! and get over the small stuff ..Mission first always
I guess. Air conditioning, showers. Burger King. The 101st , 2003-2004 OIF1 had tents, camp bag showers, no laundry, and MREs. Inadequate armor is not small stuff.
I was there when this happened, and this was pure crap. I was part of the 699th maint company, and we were adding armor to vehicles not other soldiers.
Rumsfeld, Honored his promise to the 278th (ACR) RCT later @ FOB's shipping in as much armor kits as needed for that year
Estoy sola frente a las Bestias de pero no me daré por vencida tengo tu inspiración y arremete antes que rendirme,I feel you,Ana
Such a Rumsfeldian response
classic delay tactic by any politician......''can you repeat the question please?''....... while they try and think of a good answer or get told what to say via an ear piece.....
I love our soldiers so much but I hate our government so much more. Putting these guys and gals into combat without caring at all. Playing politics with people's lives. Iraq is a disaster after 18 years since we invaded to "install democracy". Afghanistan, we are still there and it's as bad as it was when we got there...minus a few thousand troops' lives. I wish in my lifetime American's wise up and realize we aren't divided against each other, we need to come together and demand a change of government that serves us and respects the world outside our borders.
This Soldier had the balls to state what he did.
I feel like he kinda avoided the question... the problem is now that we have the armor the trucks can’t move fast and break constantly because of the additional strain on them from the armor.... get us a new Vic the one we got isn’t good enough anymore
I'm confused with the timeline? So OIF starts in March of 03, this states the 8th of December of 04 but yet the soldier says 3 years into the war? I wore those DCU's in O3, the new ACU's were issued in 05 and I wore them when I went back in 08? So if the timeline is correct then these guys have been in Kuwait for a minute and aren't speaking about the actual start of the war, simply deployment?
Good answer!
Wow the only time he doesn’t come across as a total useless piece of garbage is when he’s dealing with someone who is there because of him and yet he still finds a way that he thinks makes him look like less than what he really is
Rummy is in hell right now
No doubt abt that sir
When being questioned About the trillions of dollars missing “can you repeat the question I didn’t hear what you said”Thank God Rumsfield is dead
Alot of Soldiers are dying from suicide and PTSD
Superb.
Hopefully that guy wasn’t jailed. Hopefully they all are standing there regretting getting involved with a religious war
These are all robots crying they are robots trying to make Rumsfeld look bad. I heard it from Infow4rs
I would of answered . Sir thank u for bringing it to me . We will get u what u need . We are the united States of America... If we can't protect our first line soldiers... When we spent billions on f22 we haven't used. H mr
Corruption and secret society's
🙈🙉🙊🤬👍
Borden: "Be easy on the lad he tries so very hard"
He needed to be pressed with more questions such as, can you prove this rate difference. Provide documentation that it’s happening. He gave the typical gas light bullshit we always get.
Disgruntled or genius
I wonder if this Bloke is still at Camp X - ray
Imagine the time of WW2 after Pearl Harbor going to war with the army you have and not the one you wished you have at a later time???. It would have been a different outcome. That statement is rediculas.
Re-asks question buying time to make up an answer, typical Narcissist response buying time to make up a story.
wtf is going on
Are those 1-222nd AVN REGT guide ons back there?!?! Wtf
Unarmored humors was a nasty joke....major military failure of iraq
lame lame and lame.
😂
democrats voted no to the budget to armor vehicles, so yeah, blame them. they ruled tjhe congress at that time.
Fuq u. The presidency, the House and the Senate were Republican controlled in 2005, 2006 and 2007
The Iraq War started March 20th, 2003
From the video "We've had troops in Iraq for coming up on for three years"
Do the math ;)
John Smith yes, but if you have 55% republicans and 45% democrats, and 95% democrats vote no, and 10% republicans vote no, you still get a no and yes I still blame the democrats.
HEY PENDEJO IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS THAT GOT US IN ALL THIS MESS.......DONT BE STUPID AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF YOU TALK SHIT VIVA MEXICO CABRONES......
why do nobody wants to live in Mexico? you tell me, every celeb wants to move to Canada, not Mexico.
quezcatol can you provide a source to this lie? It wasn't money it was poor planning, poor execution, and yes the republicans shoved the military into Iraq to the tune of 2.5 billion a week. Contractors such as Cheney's Haliburton received 10s of billions in no bid contracts. All these republicans were war profiteering crony crooks. Disparaging to the nearly 5000 who died in Iraq to spew such partisan lies.
Adding on armor to Humvees damages their drivability and leads to more accidents and soldiers trapped underwater in canals and stuff.......the Idiocracy response to this was that Rumsfeld wasn't doing enough, but you have to get it right, and this wasn't 3 years into Iraq, it was December 2004, fairly early on into the Roadside Bomb era. Doesn't happen overnight, and there's risks involved to adding heavy weight on to parts of the vehicle that have to be factored in........more armor made Humvees super top-heavy, and they only started fixing that side effect recently.
Rumsfeld put us there. Shame we can’t ever ask for responsibility for mismanagement, it was just another mistake :)
0:13
Unlucky
Because your getting paid to do their bidding!
I'm very sorry to say this:
_$old-Ya!_
X:.......... You signed on the dotted line..........
_good on you for asking_
but Rumsfeld is a great fact spinner!
Army specialist are suppose to close with and destroy the enemy, general officers lead acquisition, fielding, training of new equipment and ttps. I always hated this girl scout.
Cause you would have done better? What the hell