Overpowered Trinkets in Tomb of Sargeras? Patch 7.2.5 | WoW Legion
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That Tarnished Sentinel Medallion looks awesome for an affliction lock, especially w/ all your dots having a chance to proc. the extra dmg. So many dots!!
Will have a lower chance to proc from dots ofc
do people still not know how RPPM works? every single trinket proc is RPPM in the game atm which makes it proc'ing off dots or not 100% irrelevant
i think you should go read the blizzard post on rppm trinkets lol
Mistweaver is really easy to OOM yourself and be stuck in Blackout Kick-mode until you can heal again. That barbaric trink you mentioned near the top seems very useful for MW.
I dunno, I had Engine of Eradication procing rather regularly as a DH, there was one point I ended up getting 102 seconds of straight buff from it it procced like 4 times. Thing is when it procs with a proc already up it doesn't refresh the original 12 seconds, it ADDS it to the already ticking proc, something I really appreciate.
Same problem with Holy Paladins and the Drape of Shame until Kara became mythic+, sucked having to wear an 855 over a 900 piece because of the equipped effect
BloodGaming Not only holy. Same thing for resto shamans.
BloodGaming i feel like the entire rogue tier bonus set from tomb is a step backwards from the nighthold set... =`{
Yeah... the T20 set feels so lackluster that it'll be better to farm a heroic/mythic titanforged NH set than the ToS set
Kaiath 64 thats what im thinking about doing, im hoping im wrong tho and the bonuses from the tomb set are better than they appear. if not i guess ill try doing the 4set of nh gear and 2 of the tomb set =/
AquaDonkey69 480p well Blizzard are going to nerf the NH tier set bonus to the ground, so that will be useless
Got my mythic draught the other day, happy to see I won't need to replace it for a while save for Mythic+ tbh.
99% of these sound absolutely garbage. Adding ANOTHER tactic to every fight so you can get a use out of your trinket is terrible.
The numbers seem super low too. Like 50k shield.... we have 4 million HP....
The biggest problem I think is fury warriors with draught of souls
Personally I am loving the fact they're trying new stuff with trinkets. Naturally some things will not pan out but the fact they're thinking outside or their usual designs is exciting to me. Seeing trinkets interact with other trinkets in the raid is awesome. Adds another little level of player interaction and I hope it works well so we can see them further build on this design in the future. I am also enjoying the unique visuals of some of these. The shark trinket is pretty sweet and I hope it's at least somewhat powerful so I can have an excuse to use it. I do however hope the ToS trinkets will be able to replace my CoF and BTI as I'm really tired of using them and running EN for a higher titanforge.
The Tanktrinket with the 70% slow is actually pretty damn strong. It seems to scale a lot stronger on tanks, since on my 914 DH-Tank it says 1-1,1M Dmg over 8s and 300% of that as Heal. Thats over 3M heal over 8s on a 90s cd, that can maybe be enhanced by stuff like the 100%crit of a warrytank.
Your voice is really soothing. :) Nice vid also. Im concerned about the path of trinkets. These effects are getting really insane.
Either i was extremely lucky on PTR with engine of eradication or some classes can proc it more. I had i going for 4 min straight and a 67% uptime on it for the short amount of testing. If this is anything close to what comes out on live, then I think it will be completely broken for some classes
What class? Out of curiosity.
Demon hunter
sounds like a buggy proc co-efficient since the only trinket proc changes to classes is specific ones (like cof) or baseline and halved for several specs (like healers/tanks).
Saw similar results on my DH and getting the orbs as melee was no issue either.
Carapace doing fire damage sounds like a godsend for Vengeance dh who heal off of fire damage. 👍
I fear Infernal Cinders has really only two outcomes: Either it becomes BIS/OP and everybody has to use this, to the point of maybe even going with a more melee-heavy setup because of this trinket. Or absolutely no on will use it. I don't think there is a middle ground.
so kelani,for bm hunters specter and the sentinel are the bis??
Do you think the bonus effects are to give the trinkets value in m+'s?
Quite a few of these trinkets could actually be really good in M+! That's kind of a weird design decision if it was the case, though.
The flat values of damage and healing on the Tomb trinkets seem very low considering that people will have 4.5 - 5M HP in ToS gear. What is 40-50k hp - 1%. As I recall EN and NH trinkets (the majority) were undervalued at start but even after buffs they remained irrelevant. I suspect the same will happen again.
The values in the tooltips have always been of by a lot. Looking at the tooltip of draught of souls it looks like shit but turned out to be really good. Very hard to evaluate these wonky trinkets.
I'm honestly surprised that no one has mentioned the tank trinket from Kil'jaeden. Either the tooltip is wrong, or the trinket is gonna be fucking super OP.
Is there a way on the PTR to "create" these raid trinkets to test out? or do you have to go into the raid and hope that it drops?
they are bought from the vendor in dalaran on the PTR, same with all other testing items on ptr/beta realms.
I believe the Leviathan's Hunger trinket does more damage if you're a tank. I looked at it on my blood dk on the ptr and it does over 1.3 million damage for me; The damage is probably reduced for non-tanks to discourage them from trying to take it.
Edit: makes more sense to read now
I'm pretty sure Blizzard wants old trinkets to not become irrelevant after a new raid comes out. They did the same with Dungeon trinkets and titanforging. They like the idea that content stays relevant and I don't really blame them. If everyone needs these Nighthold trinkets than groups will always exist for them and I don't think we've ever had an expansion where all the raids were so frequently occupied after a new one came out.
engine of eradication is very good and the go-to replacement for BTI for hunters just by weight and design and with the total overall stats it gives it's very much welcome.
CoF.... is here to stay.
combine minslaver 2:38 with seastar 9:28, watch that healing go
The chalice of moonlight might work same as night elf passive , unless forced the other way on some fight :)
Blizzard fucked up. They really fucked up with Arcanocrystal.
yup, i have 915 crystal, and convergence, and nothing in the new raid comes close to that combo.
as an affli lock I'm sad to see they changed the "tome of unraveling sanity" they made it go from an insane OP shadow dmg trinket to a "deal Meh shadow dmg and get Meh stat buff" trinket :(
andybanan1992 good
this had been a thing for a long time. i rememer maining a firemage in cata and having the bell from the dragon boss in BWD even though i had heroic trinkets from Firelands. It's just how it is sometimes. not perfect, but it can happen.
it is always considered "daytime" in raid instances, so that trinket will always be crit
Tried the engine on my BM hunter last night and got the timer all the way up to 2 minute. So i would say the proc can really get out of hands.
That first trinket you looked at is 100% ass. 2.6 seconds could nearly be two casts at over a million each. the only thing it does is save a sliver of mana. It's on the loot table for healers.
Don't see how any of these will replace DoS/CoF as a Fury warrior. Exactly the same as the tier sets, everything in ToS seems garbage compared to what NH has given us. I don't like that their ''fix'' for this is to nerf NH sets and trinkets. Why not just make the ToS ones better?
The healer trinket from Kil'jaden does look nice. Not sure how the one with mana% will work in game.
another example is as dh eye of command which is not eaven a raid teinket being 1 of the bis trinkets
The night/day trinket will actually be not random at all, all it does is giving u the night stat for raids and the other for the day WQ and stuff
Spinexus assuming you are not playing in the worldfirst race
of course then it sucks xD
chalice of moonlight is based on the nelf racial, which works the same way in a minor way
The nelf racial is always a crit buff while inside a raid instance. Assuming the chalice works the same way we might as well think of it as an int trinket that can proc crit then.
They have got to make Versatility more useful if they want people to use those trinkets with it, most classes have Versatility as the least stat to use. Unless you are just going for the abilities on them, then go for it.
Infernal Cinders, I wouldnt be surprised to see a 30man ToS normal requiring everyone with Infernal Cinders and everyone ohkoes boss with op procs.
Hi what transmog do you use in this vid?
weird.. @ 8:07, he's looking at Leviathan's Hunger and the Shadow Damage over 8 sec is way too low. According to Wowhead with the item at ilvl 900, it's about +150k more dmg (even at 875+ it's still higher) than on the video.. why is his damage much lower than it is on Wowhead or in-game when you look at it?
these trinkets sound like shit, if they turn out to be as underwhelming as they sound im sure bliz will buff them so we wont have to keep using the nighthold ones
I'm of mixed opinion. I like that they are trying to do more interesting things with trinkets, and its actually a POSITIVE to me that if you find a really uniquely functioning one you like, you have a way to try and obtain one that stays relevant, so you don't have to get rid of it.
That Bloodthirsty instinct is still so strong sucks though, because that thing is boring as sin...
Now if only they would ditch PPM mechanics and allow things to be straight percentage chance... Bring back synergistic builds plox.
Once you do the fights and have a look at mythic you'll see that convergence won't be as powerful as a heroic or mythic Tomb trinket. Obviously the owl is amazing and otherwise farming nethershards for an arcanocrystal is still going to be relevant. Then Engine of Eradication for the second trinket. That's for hunter of course, not sure about casters and melee.
i didnt see a SINGLE ele shaman trinket that is even consider changing out for my whispers in the dark/erratic metronome, maybe the metronome somewhere but nothing even close to beating whispers even at base 895 ilvl, both proc often and my class stacks crit and mastery so losing that haste would fk me, i cast SO slow when nothing procs lol sucks
It still feels like Draught of souls and Convergence of fates are gonna be BIS atleast for fury warriors. So im kinda sad ill be farming Normal and heroic NH until i get a good version.
Some trinkets looks insane for M+
Really underwhelming IMO. Dont know how any of these will beat the broken ones from earlier patches (from a melee DPS standpoint).
Yea i've been testing with some of them on my melee dps and they don't seem near as good for melee as for ranged.
the pally trinket is pretty sick
1:40 he starts
Hopefully the BiS trinks for enhance shamans change in 7.2.5 I REALLY don't want a trinket from the first raid to still be a BiS, no matter how good it is. XD
i dont see how any of the ToS dps trinkets will be used over the NH trinkets
You will see :) bli² will nerf all NH trinkets, same way for t19
Same way for talents
nerf nerf nerf for give us the feeling that the new content is better than the old one.
Some of these seem really powerful, while others seem baseline useless. I kinda think that titanforges from NH will still be better than the new ones for melee classes. Many of those trinkets seem more directed towards mythic+ than raiding. I know they might change many of them, but so far I ain't really impressed.
I heard they are nerfing nighthold set peices and trinkets when tomb is out :)
R.I.P Elemental shamans, shit tier set bonus, shit trinkets and no buffs anounced to compensate.
Umbus Moonclaive is just the Havoc Artifact spell
Have an 865 Arcano on my hunter that I simply can't replace :))) Fun :)))) I love it :)))))))
Something has to replace my fuckin 925 Draught of souls.....
that will get nerfed
We'll see they said they are not going the nerf old trinkets only the t19 set bonusses.
I'm probable wrong :p
Dos is getting fucked for warriors, 40% nerf. Feelsgoodman, hate that it made our class a thing
It's pretty sad when trinkets that give stats that are not on-use beat every trinket with a "deals damage" effect, and most trinkets "deal damage". There aren't even any unique effect trinkets. Shit tier for trinkets back to mindless M NH farm.
The tank and healing trinkets are mostly fine but I just came to this video to confirm that the melee DPS trinkets are absolutely fucking awful bordering on useless. The entire melee stacking one trinket just to get some damage, stacking statstick which you loose under 80% hp, oneuse aoe with lower damage then some spammable instant abilities, chance on hit to run around and gather orbs on potentionally very movement impared fights, not to mention, aside from the stats they give they all have beyond abysmal damage values on first look. What in the holy hell were they smoking when they let somethings like these go thourgh? They don't want people casinoing for Nighthold TF tirnket? They better nerf them to the ground because one single CoF is better then the entire list of ToS trinkets and I REALLY doubt warriors are gonna give up 10-15% damage increase from DoS for some wonky fire damage on hit.
I really hate having to run Ursoc every week because nothing can compare to BTI
Looks like CoF and BTI is still top trinkets for BM.
They said they are going to nerf the trinkets again.
Kelani, are you as fond of the meme build as I am? You seem to be in meme spec most of the time. Anyway, Blizzard promised us more variation (talentwise). Looking at the new T20 setbonusses, it will mean the death of the meme. *sad face*
I play exp/pierce because it's the best for that fight. I don't really mind playing either setup, but I agree that T20 set bonuses don't really do anything for exp/pierce. Hopefully they'll get changed soon!
Guess I'm stuck with Draught of Souls.
omg.. 910 BTI trinket? are you kidding me? I still only have 865
BTI is going to be BIS in tomb for Hunters so gg lol
They already stated that trinkets on PTR will be overtuned
God I hope not, half of these don't seem worth it with the current values.
they buffed all trinkets
I think I fell asleep.
Dalhn Wilkes b
vers statstick + weird procs ...confused....confused
Anduin Wrynn theme? you're kinda horde
just because you play one side doesn't mean you can't enjoy the rest of the game... i'm horde because of raiding but that doesn't mean i can't enjoy anything alliance side >.>
Master unstable arcanocrystal
Gonna disagree with you here. I love that trinkets are op and that a trinket in a 5 man might be bis. It reminds me of vanilla where you could absolutely get a trinket in MC that would last you all expansion.
It was very different back then, you didn't go back and kill the boss over and over hoping to get a higher ilvl item.
I guess i dont get why thats bad, but then again im a huge Diablo 2 fan so farming for tiny upgrades on the same item is fun for me.
Seems frustrating that most have added complexity when you may be on a fight that requires most of your attention to live through. Staying above 80% hp constantly on a lot of fights looks unlikely and picking up 4 orbs will need to be done when rotation allows movement + when fight allows you to run around to pick them up.
Currently its static bonus(converg) + awesome procs(en myth haste) or insane stats (arcano).
Unless they are super OP, i can see most of these having a massive theoretical swing value for dps given, if its even close to conv/arcano ill personally be sticking with them trying for new titanforges as there is a lot to be said for consistency.
from DPS standpoint, healer/tank ones may be super lovely :)
So damn sick of "Use" ability trinks...Just give me a stat stick Int with Mastery or w/e and I'm good.
Alot of shity trinkets! Gj blizzard for makeing so much shity items!
Gramald I think the problem is that nighthold trinkets are really op instead of tomb being shitty
The problem is the vast performance gap between the bottom and the top trinkets in NH. If only 1-2 are close to the top trinkets in NH it means the rest are just dead drops.
Gramald so many, not "much"
Healers are having quite good ones tho :|
Nothing new, trinkets was always OP in WoW.
spell caster trinkets appear to be kinda...meh. Among others.
These trinkets are fuck terrible.
Coming from a melee dps the trinkets were meh.
Yeah but I do like the absorbing orb one for the added duration buff. I can see it not being good on fights with a lot of movement.
stack Str/Agi one sucks
orb one also
As a caster these trinkets are very disappointing
Well i got an 900 Arcano with a socket and CoF 910 on my hunter, so I don't know if I ever will replace those in legion 😂😂
and yet 20$ says you can't link your armory
Remember when trinkets were just stat sticks? Good times.
Brandon Boss but stat stick trinkets are the most boring trinkets :(
The Silver Dragon But the new trinkets are just as annoying. (when you get an upgrade trinket but the use is shit, but the Ilvl is 20 above the one you have, you're stuck with the shit one.)
the cradle trinket is garbage, basically 2.2k agility at ilvl900, just take a haste/agi stat stick instead rofl
to many gimmicky trinkets imo.
those trinkets sucks ...
What is up with all these damn "on use" trinkets......ugh
John Rich ugh skillbased trinket bleh
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