Recommendation: don’t ever use two shims (hockey pucks). It has a high potential of slipping off no matter what. Find one shim that is grippy and large enough to make up that gap.
You are the HOCKEY *UCK. You belong in the Penalty box for failure to follow common sense. 1. Jacking up a vehicle without the jack pad raised edge positioned to keep the jack from sliding out from under the car. 2. The wheels on the jack were against the raise broken concrete garage floor, as seen in the video, so the jack could not roll under the car as it is supposed to do. The jack was not on hard level ground as required per operating manual. In essence you had chocked the wheels, against the broken concrete, on the jack so no way they could roll. 3. The car was on a ramps adding to instability to what you were doing. 4. 2 hockey pucks caused 2 goals against the losing player. The referee would charge you with 2 penalties, one for having 2 pucks in play at the same time , a major penalty and ejected from the game with a 2 game suspension and the second penalty for ban equipment being used, a puck was not allowed in play at all. 🏒 the conclusion. You weren't hurt, you have a valuable teaching example learned first hand.
You make a good point. With those loads and 2 bodies of shims. Unless we’re professional mechanics and doing all this stuff on a daily basis, mistakes can naturally happen. How would you attack this problem. Would you put a Jack on the sides in that fashion.
So if you look in your owners manual, they show where the actual lift points are at. They arent on the sides of the car, one in front, one in back. Using the pinch welds is asking for trouble.
Same on my cars. The jack points are under the front and rear of the vehicle. Single point for each. They're Toyota brand, so probably similar to the Lexus.
thanks for posting to show the rest of us what not to do when jacking up a car, your pain is not in vain if it has saved someone else from misery - glad to see you got her fixed!
@@crescent5311 Trust me, there's alot of stupid people out there working on cars. 2 mechanics did mickey mouse fixes on my car. I discovered it 5 years later after I worked on my car. I can almost imagine what the average car owner DIY beginner would do.
The hockey pucks were the source of the problem. The pinch weld device is made to drop into the floor jack cup, and uses the lip of the cup to ensure the jack rolls and stays somewhat centered. The device needed rather than the puck was a floor jack extension. It goes between the floor jack and cup to lift the cup while keeping the centering properties and still locking into the alignment hole. They are common for off-road vehicles. Homemade versions are often made of a piece of 1/4" wall 3"x3" or 4"x4" square steel tube with a hole drilled into the top to receive the cup and a 1" piece of pipe welded on the bottom to lock into the jack.
it's not the source but it contributed to the issue by being the weak point in a series of user error. A floorjack has an arc movement when lifting. Pay attention to the jack base. It doesn't move at all until the car comes down on it. Look at the swivel wheels of the jack. It's perpendicular to the front wheels. If the swivel wheels were positioned correctly, it would have went up no problem. Or if he was jacking it up off the actual saddle, the load would force the wheels straight and allow the jack base properly keep in alignment with the jack point. Instead the load overcomes the stack of pucks before the swivel wheels. Daystar KU31002 lifting pad, +5.5 inch of height and fits securely over the typical Chinese floor jack saddles.
@emp0rizzle This ^. If anyone watches the wheels of a jack when jacking a vehicle, you'll notice the jack "rolls" adjusting its position ever so slightly in order to keep the load centered over the jack point.
Props to you for showing this epic failure. Most people never post bad experiences like this, especially this bad. Good information for everyone because you don't think about how the jack moves, and the danger of not connecting the two pucks together with something. Hope everything is better for you and your car these days.
Ever since when I first watched your video where the car slipped off the jack, I had a fear that it would happen to me every time I work on my car. But after watching this video, it totally makes sense. Yes the jack is supposed to roll forward with the car as you jack it up. So I can understand how and why the car slipped off the jack. I’m glad you got your car fixed and thank you for uploading this video because it helps us all and we all can learn from each other’s mistake.
Props to you for at least posting the incident and then clarifying later. Everyone makes mistakes when doing their own work at home; just have to learn from them. I’ve definitely had my fair share over the years with my old Cobra’s lol.
Exactly. Way to man up and own it. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. That’s why most of the people are watching this video…. Hahaha. Thanks for positing
The problem wasn't the pucks, or the red pinch piece. The problem was that you were using a floor Jack on a very,very rough concrete floor that wouldn't allow the jack's wheels to move forward. If the jack's wheels can't move forward, the jack can't move forward. If you had tried to do this again, using the same pucks and red piece--on a normal, smooth concert floor--you wouldn't have had a problem. Thank you for posting this video. You have saved many DIY mechanics from falling into the same issue. So, you were at fault. But many of us may have made the same mistake of not using a floor Jack on a smooth concrete surface
@michaeld.3779 beg to differ: I CONSTANTLY jack on a broken cracked old pos garage floor, or on a sunken uneven driveway. Never once have I had my floor jack not roll. He should have used a slotted 4x4 or a floor jack with an extended saddle.
@@richcombs4805 you'll get into same accident if your floor jack doesn't roll. It should roll and the uneven floor cause it to get stuck and will the cause the pucks to tilt. What you believe is very wrong and you should listen to what @michaeld.3779 posted.
I think what @@richcombs4805 meant was that not once has his floor jack gotten stuck because of pos garage floors. I think you guys read his comment wrong?
I would say it was a combination of all of these factors. You might get away with it a couple of times, but of course, if your surface is poor and you're using x2 pucks with an unsuitable Jack with the back of the car raised high meaning more of the cars weight is now at the front
Hey, accidents do happen, but listening to you explain the situation was pretty funny honestly. It would be like listening to somebody after a ladder accident explain how their ladder wouldn't reach so they just stacked a few four by fours underneath the ladder legs so they could reach and then it fell. That was a painful video to watch though.
That and where he went isnt the actual pinch weld, well at least not the one for lifting!! By the looks of it im pretty sure the pinchweld youd actually lift the car from would be under the side skirts, which means go 1 foot in more from where he though the pinch weld is and boom the strongest point of the car THE FRAME
@@skliros9235 lol the fucker missed the lift point, and was on it with a janky hockey puck stack for some reason. He also didn’t align the jack properly. No idea where he got the confidence to just start pumping that thing up. You’re both half right on the rear being lifted idea… the weight being shifted is not the problem. The pucks would have slipped regardless, and he wasn’t even on a seam. The weight transfer toward the front is pretty minimal, it’s the fact the rear axle is fixed at its location relative to others on the car… this means you create a force line when you go to lift it with the jack, sliding the car with deltic deflection
Brave of you to share what happened and feel so sad for your car. Happy to see you got it repaired and you're doing well. It's indeed good to check and practice how the floor jack "slides in" and get the perfect conccrete patch before you start. And to restart the jacking session of your in doubt. But it could have happened to anyone.
I had a guy working at the tire store put a jack under my Mustang without looking under the car and began trying to jack it up by the rocker panel instead of the correct location, I was watching him and told him to stop probably avoiding severe damage, As it was it still put a minor crease under the rocker panel, and there is no such thing as a good dent regardless where it's located.
Thanks for posting this. This is how we all learn. Three learning points: 1) do no jack while using ramps. You can ramp one end and then eventually replace with good jack stands, but using a ramp invites rocking when jacking. It’s dangerous. 2) floor jacks are designed to roll a bit to support the load while lifting so use on smooth concrete only. If jacking on a rough surface as shown in the video, place a large piece of plywood or metal plate to allow the jack to move a bit. 3) as mentioned use the hockey pucks for playing hockey. Building yourself a dedicated extension (wood) will be more stable than free stacking found objects. Your safety and life is on the line.
Thank you for explaining this accident. It's impossible to imagine every potential mishap that could happen, so you sharing this learning experience helps others.
There were so many red flags this guy decided to blatantly ignore, nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
What you explained makes perfect sense, and yes, it is helpful to know. Just glad that you and your little assistant didn't get injured! Thanks for sharing.
When I saw that concrete, I immediately knew the reason for the accident. That's something I always have looked out for (the jack being able to roll). That had to be a sickening feeling, and I hate that your car was damaged! Looks like a sweet ride - glad you got it fixed up (even better than it was, it looks like)!
It's not car design that's the problem it's stupid people who mods and lower their cars way too low then factory height this is the reason I don't lower my car I keep it stock height makes it easier going over speed bumps too don't really care if it's doesn't look as good as a lower car but least it's more practical.
It makes' me laugh every time I see young drivers in their lowered BMW'S suddenly break to go over speed humps making that awful scraping noise as they gingerly move over the bump.@@abcwarrior91
Hey bro, you got off pretty well. I was inexperienced and jacked up my 500hp s15 from the front using a plank of wood to help bridge the gap between the jacking point and the jack, long story short, the plan of wood was actually dry rotted from the inside, it snapped and the jack went through my sump and ruined my oil pickup and dented my block :))) I feel ya, I was legit depressed for a good 5 months until I repaired it. Lesson learnt
Wow that jack setup was way worse than I thought. That's exactly what happens when you buy gimmick tools & don't buy the right tool for the job in the first place.
Also the GSF Jack point is located at the front of the car. If he read page 394 of his user manual he would of known that you Jack the car up directly in front or directly behind the car.
Thank you for showing this mistake. I learned from it, for sure. My take away is the reminder to be very careful when jacking up an auto, and don't let your guard down. Learning from others' mistakes is much cheaper than learning from your own.
i have to say, everytime i try to jack my car up or see anyone do it...i relive this clip over and over...thanks for revisiting and explaining what happened Mr Gosling
Props for the explanation, but you're still a knucklehead for doing it that way! Your floor sucks, your jack sucks and using 3 separate items expecting them to stay together in one line is crazy in the least... Level and epoxy your floor, get a good jack with a removeable top disc, and make an attachment that drops into the jacks hole that's one solid piece which then aligns into your pinch welds. Easy peasy, it's not easy being cheesy...
I feel for you in every way. Especially working on old rotten cars. It's why I never even trust jackpoints on older vehicles, I go straight to the frame if I can, and if it's too low, I ramp that shit. Half the time anymore I don't even use jacks, just use small gradual profile ramps if I can get away with it.
First time seeing the update. Don't like the pucks, but i get it. I would drive in nose first on a set of race ramps. Nice and long, low clearance no problem. Then you can jack the rear with a block of wood at the diff. and slide in some Esco flat top jack stands at your non pinch weld factory lift points. You need a quickjack, they're money. If you can change only one thing, buy a Daystar KU31002. Thanks for sharing.
There is so many bad variables to this. The rear end 7 inches higher then the front end put alot of angle shifting weight on the front. The hockey pucks were not the best idea with the pinch weld tool. Just a recipe for disaster
Yeah this is why you RFM. (Read the FN Manual) Both the jack and the car manufacturers say don't use pucks. Pucks are for us toothless Canadian to play with between fights. Use a 4x4 piece of wood bro.
When I first saw the video I had all the sympathy in the woworld for you! Thanks for the explanation. Much respect to you fellow Lexus peep! You have a Beautiful Lexus ISF
Audi Tech here. I couldn't help but show this video to my coworkers, 3 of which are Master Guild Techs. All agreed this whole f* up was in fact your fault. They didn't bother to watch the whole video because they were simply bad mouthing your decision to use two damn shims AND an adapter to lift your car. You did provide a good laugh though. This comment is a couple years late but thats RUclips for ya. Hope you learned from this mistake. Honestly, you should have simply contacted your local dealership and asked what the Techs there use to lift your car. We have DIY customers who call in for simple questions like this, not often of course but they do call.
Still feeling with your hands is not as definitive as just using your eyes and watching as the vehicle goes up. Since you felt with your hands and not looked with your eyes it’s clear it slipped off the pucks because you probably didn’t have it centred enough on the pucks.
That's part of it... The other parts are the pinch weld adapter is anodized aluminum so it has little grip. Another is his stack is multiple items, is a Jenga tower better as one block or 10 blocks? Third is his jack doesn't have a smooth enough surface to roll over to keep the jack point vertical and instead pulls the jack point outward. Forth is it makes no sense to have the rear on ramps while jacking up the front. The chassis angle change as the front jack point loads is significant and contributed to the car falling off the stack...
I still think a variable was the rear was on a ramp stand as well. As for the difficulty getting to the pinch weld in that case you could have just jacked it off one of the front or rear axle points fixed structures etc
Dude!!!!! Amazing Analysis... This tells me I don't have to worry about jacking my car up in that location. Just as long as my jack + gadget do not slip I am ok! Thanks for the demonstration.
I appreciate your video because you showed how the” pad” part of the jack doesn’t rise straight up. It moves in a slight arch. This is why the jack has wheels not just to move the jack around the shop. When jacking from the ends the vehicle can move an inch or so back towards the jack or the jack itself may roll a bit as the car is raised. With that thought in mind keep in mind that any pieces you add to the jack’s pad might move. For those hating on this guy for already doing what he did we all saw the issue but thanks for driving it home. Anyone else who watches this from now on, just remember what the lesson is here, or……buy a jack with a height adjustable pad and make sure the pad is centred on the point it contacts the vehicle.
You should buy the proper stuff. That jack is nice and works great, harbor freight makes good shit for the “MONEY!” (Meaning best of the cheap shit) You have an expensive car, spend some money next time and buy a jack with locking jack height extenders. Solid connection. If I jacked up any of my cars it must be positive connection 100%. Those pucks are shit in my opinion, they should only be used 1 at a time, (never stacked) or when a vehicle is being lifted all four corners at once to avoid an extreme angle. (Never stacked as well) That angle was created by the car leaning to one side and it slipped off. Still your fault in my book!!! Lesson learned!!!!
I would hope so, especially after that happening. Could have been much worse. Let’s say he was under that car. His wife would have found him, GOD FORBID! So many men are found dead under cars! Don’t like horror stories! If you work on your car, have the proper equipment and read constantly about cribbing/ blocking/jacking/or lifting up vehicles properly.
I have a 2008 GS350 AWD. Great car. Very reliable. I have about 260k miles on it right now and still going strong with just routine maintenance. Never any major problems.
This was crazy to watch man. I'm glad you made this video because it shows the reality of what is possible using jacks. I don't care how many times I use jacks and stands, I'm still nervous for my safety, my car and will these things hold the car up each time.
You are insane for using multiple pucks, especially on uneven concrete. You should have jacked up the frame jack points on the front of the far and put the stands at the wheels.
I'm sorry, man, but you are not mechanically inclined, which doesn't mean you are a bad person. Make money some other way and take your cars to a shop.
Glad you posted your video of what happened. Watching the video of the mishap, I have to say I shared the "OH SH*T!" moment you must have had, but of course many times removed. My first thought was that you had unfortunately picked the wrong spot to jack up the vehicle. Kudos to you for explaining what happened, and possibly saving someone else from the same sort of accident.
The other issue is the ledge in the concrete fails to allow the jack to walk in as the car goes up, thus making the jack head shoot an arc, rather than go straight up.
Stance family problems, definitely a challenging car to lift. Stay safe my dude. Maybe consider getting an electronic scissor jack. Or use an impact wrench on a regular scissor jack for ease of use.
Keep on learning as you go along. Accept constructive criticism and rightly call out the ones that are haters. Your videos are appreciated as there really isn't a boat load of GS DIY videos on RUclips.
Quite a few issues here, one is the floor itself a jack has to roll as it's lifting, another is the devise (the jack itself) isn't the right type of jack for this lowered car, another thing was the use of 2 hockey pucks. Basically he wasn't equipped with the right tools for lifting his lowered car there are all sorts of jack devises that are available to purchase for lifting a car such as his either to big of hurry or couldn't afford the proper lifting equipment. He could start by resurfacing the floor the cheapest way would be to drive the car onto a 2x8 (or 2) prior to trying to jack it up.I hope the damage wasn't to severe and it wasn't too costly that really sucked.
It looks like the rear wheels of the jack slipped. It wouldn't have happened if the jack was designed to sit on itself (maybe on something like stabilizer arms) rather than on its wheels when lifting. Like, if it was sitting on a couple of planks of plywood between the jack wheels, it would be much more stable. In the case of wheels, the axial forces are concentrated more on the center of 4 wheels, and any change in the top load angle /horizontal forces will change that point, causing the wheel to move. This is also the reason why most car manufacturers prefer scissors jack.
Still the big mistake is not using his eyes and watching the car underneath as he jacks up. I don’t care how good you are get on the ground double triple check jack slowly. This guy just started pumping the jack so fast and the cracking noise was not his ramps that was the car 100%.
Did the jack come with the two hockey pucks? Not sure I’ve seen them before 🤔 they usually have a big rubber pad on that section. I’d use a nice big chunk of wood next time pal then it’s less likely to slip. The metal of the jack and car dig in to the wood and help keep it in place. A solid plastic puck, especially two stacked, was always going to slip. Even if it went up, you could have gotten under there and then it slipped off when knocked or with any force of you trying to remove bolts from under the car. Stay safe. 👍🏼
Great video! I am curious if you have come up with a better way to jack your car up. FWIW, it totally makes sense that the pucks might slip before the jack moved. Really depends on the friction force between the pucks vs the friction forces at the jack wheels.
I like that bracket for the pinch weld I'm only looking at this. Video because car x flattened all of my places to put my floor jacks and was wondering how I was going to straighten my out .I thought mine where really flimsy On my 2002 Buick lesabre
I have a 2024 civic and I have to jack it up a little from a jack point in the front to be able to access the primary jacking point...jacks move a little as well when lifting a car.
I mean it's a nice idea but iv been jacking cars up most my life I go straight for the brace in the wheel where the jack stands go in the hole I bypass all the pinch welds lol or if I'm lucky I get fork lift under the whole thing with some silicone bed on it or something
watching the slip happen a few times, it wasn't being jacked up when it slipped, and you can see the two wheels on the jack were sideways and they started to turn forwards as it was slipping.
Recommendation: use the ramps on the end of the car getting lifted: drive car onto boards to get the front to clear the ramps and then drive the car onto the ramps. Then use floor jack on front center lift point of the car. Then remove the ramps and put in place some jack stands on left and right sides if you need to take wheels off. You should always have both right and left sides lifted to cause less stress on the chassis. Done ....
so how do you do it now? different jack? i did mine the other day and i was stressing out lol... my jack was not moving in, and this was on pavement. it did start to move in some as it got higher, but i see people use them in gravel. and lets not even talk abut the jack stands.... mine and most have this V shape and really does not fit right on those pinch welds. thanks for sharing..
Always if using jack exatenions/hockey pucks always ensure that they bolt down onto the actual jack pad or some locking mechanism that provides a mechanical bond. Burton the bright side it wasn’t a failure it was just another life lesson, ad I can tell by your demeanor you understand that concept. Great video this will teach/ save millions. Keep it up!!
I always use a 2x4. It’s very forgiving against the metal. And sort of molds itself into the lifting point and the jack’s base. Those hockey pucks scared me as soon as you pulled them out. Way to small to slow a lot on movement and to many that it would allow one of them to start slipping.
For anybody new watching this, 1) get a jack that has the different height attachments. 2) The pucks are smooth and dont grab. If you look at the contact point on a jack, it has teeth that grab and the cars pinch point grabs and pulls the jack in as its going up. Hence why they recommend using pinch points. Obviously, using the pinch points is not always reliable or sufficient. Make sure your jacks wheel rotate, make sure the surface the jack is on is relatively smooth. Make sure your jack makes good contact and can grab that contact.
There’s cracks on your foundation floor. One of the wheels on your jack must’ve moved slightly and wasn’t leveled. That’s what caused the jack to move.
Great video, glad ya got it fixed up. My buddy told me about this and said if I keep using a puck it’s going to dry rot and fail me one day:/ so I’ve been using wood but don’t know what else I could try. Since I know wood will dry rot aswell but shows signs easier
Soon as i saw the 2 pucks, all i thought was “tell me how you didnt do this wrong”. 😂😂😂
true
No shit
game over killed by 2 pucks !...
The Honda guys just switched to different platforms is all
Would like this comment but already has 69 likes. But my thoughts exactly.
"I did everything right!"
Proceeds to use Jenga construction to lift car.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🏆🏆🏆
Recommendation: don’t ever use two shims (hockey pucks). It has a high potential of slipping off no matter what. Find one shim that is grippy and large enough to make up that gap.
First thing I thought as soon as I saw that…..
Or superglue them together might work and then wrap it in duct tape
You are the HOCKEY *UCK. You belong in the Penalty box for failure to follow common sense.
1. Jacking up a vehicle without the jack pad raised edge positioned to keep the jack from sliding out from under the car.
2. The wheels on the jack were against the raise broken concrete garage floor, as seen in the video, so the jack could not roll under the car as it is supposed to do. The jack was not on hard level ground as required per operating manual. In essence you had chocked the wheels, against the broken concrete, on the jack so no way they could roll.
3. The car was on a ramps adding to instability to what you were doing.
4. 2 hockey pucks caused 2 goals against the losing player. The referee would charge you with 2 penalties, one for having 2 pucks in play at the same time , a major penalty and ejected from the game with a 2 game suspension and the second penalty for ban equipment being used, a puck was not allowed in play at all. 🏒
the conclusion. You weren't hurt, you have a valuable teaching example learned first hand.
@@josephyang3260 Is your glue and tape rated to lift 3,000 lbs?
You make a good point. With those loads and 2 bodies of shims. Unless we’re professional mechanics and doing all this stuff on a daily basis, mistakes can naturally happen.
How would you attack this problem. Would you put a Jack on the sides in that fashion.
Lifting your car on 2 hockey pucks and thinkin it’s ganna hold up is wild. I don’t know how u didn’t think it’d slip
why noah mad
It's going to be like the eiffel tower
So if you look in your owners manual, they show where the actual lift points are at. They arent on the sides of the car, one in front, one in back. Using the pinch welds is asking for trouble.
Same on my cars. The jack points are under the front and rear of the vehicle. Single point for each. They're Toyota brand, so probably similar to the Lexus.
thanks for posting to show the rest of us what not to do when jacking up a car, your pain is not in vain if it has saved someone else from misery - glad to see you got her fixed!
No one is stupid enough to use 2 hockey pucks to extend the height of their trolly jack though.
@@crescent5311 Trust me, there's alot of stupid people out there working on cars. 2 mechanics did mickey mouse fixes on my car. I discovered it 5 years later after I worked on my car. I can almost imagine what the average car owner DIY beginner would do.
@@crescent5311😂😂
The hockey pucks were the source of the problem. The pinch weld device is made to drop into the floor jack cup, and uses the lip of the cup to ensure the jack rolls and stays somewhat centered. The device needed rather than the puck was a floor jack extension. It goes between the floor jack and cup to lift the cup while keeping the centering properties and still locking into the alignment hole. They are common for off-road vehicles. Homemade versions are often made of a piece of 1/4" wall 3"x3" or 4"x4" square steel tube with a hole drilled into the top to receive the cup and a 1" piece of pipe welded on the bottom to lock into the jack.
it's not the source but it contributed to the issue by being the weak point in a series of user error. A floorjack has an arc movement when lifting. Pay attention to the jack base. It doesn't move at all until the car comes down on it. Look at the swivel wheels of the jack. It's perpendicular to the front wheels. If the swivel wheels were positioned correctly, it would have went up no problem. Or if he was jacking it up off the actual saddle, the load would force the wheels straight and allow the jack base properly keep in alignment with the jack point. Instead the load overcomes the stack of pucks before the swivel wheels. Daystar KU31002 lifting pad, +5.5 inch of height and fits securely over the typical Chinese floor jack saddles.
@emp0rizzle This ^.
If anyone watches the wheels of a jack when jacking a vehicle, you'll notice the jack "rolls" adjusting its position ever so slightly in order to keep the load centered over the jack point.
Props to you for showing this epic failure. Most people never post bad experiences like this, especially this bad. Good information for everyone because you don't think about how the jack moves, and the danger of not connecting the two pucks together with something. Hope everything is better for you and your car these days.
Ever since when I first watched your video where the car slipped off the jack, I had a fear that it would happen to me every time I work on my car. But after watching this video, it totally makes sense. Yes the jack is supposed to roll forward with the car as you jack it up. So I can understand how and why the car slipped off the jack. I’m glad you got your car fixed and thank you for uploading this video because it helps us all and we all can learn from each other’s mistake.
Thanks brother
Which Jack & other shim is the best for the Lexus?
Just don’t do anything this guy does and you’ll be fine.
Just do it properly and you will be good.
@@OkiDingo lmaooo fax
Bro as soon as seen the hockey pucks I stopped watching because I knew the problem.
Props to you for at least posting the incident and then clarifying later. Everyone makes mistakes when doing their own work at home; just have to learn from them. I’ve definitely had my fair share over the years with my old Cobra’s lol.
Appreciate you.
Exactly. Way to man up and own it. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. That’s why most of the people are watching this video…. Hahaha.
Thanks for positing
Always better to learn from someone else's mistakes.
I use them pucks. Thanks 4 posting. Ill be extra careful in future.
The problem wasn't the pucks, or the red pinch piece. The problem was that you were using a floor Jack on a very,very rough concrete floor that wouldn't allow the jack's wheels to move forward. If the jack's wheels can't move forward, the jack can't move forward. If you had tried to do this again, using the same pucks and red piece--on a normal, smooth concert floor--you wouldn't have had a problem.
Thank you for posting this video. You have saved many DIY mechanics from falling into the same issue. So, you were at fault. But many of us may have made the same mistake of not using a floor Jack on a smooth concrete surface
@michaeld.3779 beg to differ: I CONSTANTLY jack on a broken cracked old pos garage floor, or on a sunken uneven driveway. Never once have I had my floor jack not roll. He should have used a slotted 4x4 or a floor jack with an extended saddle.
@@richcombs4805 you'll get into same accident if your floor jack doesn't roll. It should roll and the uneven floor cause it to get stuck and will the cause the pucks to tilt. What you believe is very wrong and you should listen to what @michaeld.3779 posted.
@@richcombs4805 He's right, you are not.
I think what @@richcombs4805 meant was that not once has his floor jack gotten stuck because of pos garage floors. I think you guys read his comment wrong?
I would say it was a combination of all of these factors. You might get away with it a couple of times, but of course, if your surface is poor and you're using x2 pucks with an unsuitable Jack with the back of the car raised high meaning more of the cars weight is now at the front
Hey, accidents do happen, but listening to you explain the situation was pretty funny honestly. It would be like listening to somebody after a ladder accident explain how their ladder wouldn't reach so they just stacked a few four by fours underneath the ladder legs so they could reach and then it fell. That was a painful video to watch though.
This.
Part of the reason I always put plywood under the jack and the side skirts so it has an even surface to roll across as I jack it up
The cause was that your rear was in the air. It actually shifts quite a bit of weight to the already heavy front when you tip it forward.
That and where he went isnt the actual pinch weld, well at least not the one for lifting!! By the looks of it im pretty sure the pinchweld youd actually lift the car from would be under the side skirts, which means go 1 foot in more from where he though the pinch weld is and boom the strongest point of the car THE FRAME
You have no clue what you're talking 😂
@skliros I'm sorry that you failed physics class.
@@dumpjeep keep trying bud 🤣 you'd have to lift the rear a few feet to get any significant weight shift to the front.
@@skliros9235 lol the fucker missed the lift point, and was on it with a janky hockey puck stack for some reason. He also didn’t align the jack properly. No idea where he got the confidence to just start pumping that thing up.
You’re both half right on the rear being lifted idea… the weight being shifted is not the problem. The pucks would have slipped regardless, and he wasn’t even on a seam. The weight transfer toward the front is pretty minimal, it’s the fact the rear axle is fixed at its location relative to others on the car… this means you create a force line when you go to lift it with the jack, sliding the car with deltic deflection
Brave of you to share what happened and feel so sad for your car. Happy to see you got it repaired and you're doing well. It's indeed good to check and practice how the floor jack "slides in" and get the perfect conccrete patch before you start. And to restart the jacking session of your in doubt. But it could have happened to anyone.
So much respect to you for visiting this painful event
Ohh man everyday I get comments on this
I have seen bricks and pavers crush under the weight. I always use a block of wood with the grain 90 degrees to the seam
Sore lips?
User error while jacking up car - Fixed the title.
lolz get em
Dude, thanks for the update…I agree with you. Seeing your car come down on the jack was painful. We all know how bad you felt. Keep your chin up!
Thanks bro
I had a guy working at the tire store put a jack under my Mustang without looking under the car and began trying to jack it up by the rocker panel instead of the correct location, I was watching him and told him to stop probably avoiding severe damage, As it was it still put a minor crease under the rocker panel, and there is no such thing as a good dent regardless where it's located.
Happened to my wife's Mustang as well. She got new tires installed. Didn't notice the damage until it was too late.
Thanks for posting this. This is how we all learn. Three learning points: 1) do no jack while using ramps. You can ramp one end and then eventually replace with good jack stands, but using a ramp invites rocking when jacking. It’s dangerous. 2) floor jacks are designed to roll a bit to support the load while lifting so use on smooth concrete only. If jacking on a rough surface as shown in the video, place a large piece of plywood or metal plate to allow the jack to move a bit. 3) as mentioned use the hockey pucks for playing hockey. Building yourself a dedicated extension (wood) will be more stable than free stacking found objects. Your safety and life is on the line.
Thank you for explaining this accident. It's impossible to imagine every potential mishap that could happen, so you sharing this learning experience helps others.
There were so many red flags this guy decided to blatantly ignore, nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
What you explained makes perfect sense, and yes, it is helpful to know. Just glad that you and your little assistant didn't get injured! Thanks for sharing.
When I saw that concrete, I immediately knew the reason for the accident. That's something I always have looked out for (the jack being able to roll). That had to be a sickening feeling, and I hate that your car was damaged! Looks like a sweet ride - glad you got it fixed up (even better than it was, it looks like)!
Me too, but only because of a similar experience. The concrete outdoors is usually roughed up in my country, to help wet/ice grip.
The jack is supposed to roll when jacking.
@@solowundesignsbysamdavis9043
It won't roll in that messed up uneven concrete
Use wood blocks, they aren’t slippery like aluminum and hockey pucks. But really this shows how, in some ways, car design has gone backwards.
It's not car design that's the problem it's stupid people who mods and lower their cars way too low then factory height this is the reason I don't lower my car I keep it stock height makes it easier going over speed bumps too don't really care if it's doesn't look as good as a lower car but least it's more practical.
Never use wood, wood can split and suddenly fail.
@@ejrocket9260 Used properly wood is super tough, while having enough ‘give’ to bite into odd shapes.
It makes' me laugh every time I see young drivers in their lowered BMW'S suddenly break to go over speed humps making that awful scraping noise as they gingerly move over the bump.@@abcwarrior91
@@ejrocket9260have you watch hydraulic crush videos before? WOOD always wins!
Hey bro, you got off pretty well. I was inexperienced and jacked up my 500hp s15 from the front using a plank of wood to help bridge the gap between the jacking point and the jack, long story short, the plan of wood was actually dry rotted from the inside, it snapped and the jack went through my sump and ruined my oil pickup and dented my block :)))
I feel ya, I was legit depressed for a good 5 months until I repaired it. Lesson learnt
Ouch. Dam
Both of you were punished for being stupid, glad you both learned from it
If it's not rated for the lift you are doing, don't use it.
Never use wood. It can fail unexpectedly.
The correct answer to the question “why did I use hockey pucks” is “because I’m an idiot” 🤣
Wow that jack setup was way worse than I thought. That's exactly what happens when you buy gimmick tools & don't buy the right tool for the job in the first place.
Exactly
Also the GSF Jack point is located at the front of the car. If he read page 394 of his user manual he would of known that you Jack the car up directly in front or directly behind the car.
It takes a lot for a man to admit his mistakes. It takes even more to share that mistake with the world. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR FELLOW MAN first.
lolz he did none of those things, he's all like" I totally did it right omg. it was textbook let me show you!"
Thank you for showing this mistake. I learned from it, for sure. My take away is the reminder to be very careful when jacking up an auto, and don't let your guard down. Learning from others' mistakes is much cheaper than learning from your own.
1:07 explains it all. Use the cross member and differential. You were better off using a block of wood.
i have to say, everytime i try to jack my car up or see anyone do it...i relive this clip over and over...thanks for revisiting and explaining what happened Mr Gosling
Hmm did u see the black hockey puck?? It's all busted apart....hockey pucks aren't meant hold and support a weight of a vehicle.....
Now that’s jacked up ; you called it on your concrete 😊
My guy has a $60,000 car and is using 2 hockey pucks lmfao cmon bruh buy the actual adapter.
lol hockey pucks are made to slid.
Props for the explanation, but you're still a knucklehead for doing it that way! Your floor sucks, your jack sucks and using 3 separate items expecting them to stay together in one line is crazy in the least... Level and epoxy your floor, get a good jack with a removeable top disc, and make an attachment that drops into the jacks hole that's one solid piece which then aligns into your pinch welds. Easy peasy, it's not easy being cheesy...
I feel for you in every way. Especially working on old rotten cars. It's why I never even trust jackpoints on older vehicles, I go straight to the frame if I can, and if it's too low, I ramp that shit. Half the time anymore I don't even use jacks, just use small gradual profile ramps if I can get away with it.
Thanks for posting this video. It is everyone's nightmare when jacking up a car. It shows exactly what not to do.
First time seeing the update. Don't like the pucks, but i get it. I would drive in nose first on a set of race ramps. Nice and long, low clearance no problem. Then you can jack the rear with a block of wood at the diff. and slide in some Esco flat top jack stands at your non pinch weld factory lift points. You need a quickjack, they're money. If you can change only one thing, buy a Daystar KU31002.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing this. Ive always used a hockey puck with a groove dremmeled/sawed out. Been going on 20 years with no issues.
thank you for ending the video two seconds before it happened😅
it always hurts to watch it again
So painful to see lol
There is so many bad variables to this. The rear end 7 inches higher then the front end put alot of angle shifting weight on the front. The hockey pucks were not the best idea with the pinch weld tool. Just a recipe for disaster
Yeah this is why you RFM. (Read the FN Manual)
Both the jack and the car manufacturers say don't use pucks.
Pucks are for us toothless Canadian to play with between fights.
Use a 4x4 piece of wood bro.
When I first saw the video I had all the sympathy in the woworld for you! Thanks for the explanation. Much respect to you fellow Lexus peep! You have a Beautiful Lexus ISF
Gsf
Audi Tech here. I couldn't help but show this video to my coworkers, 3 of which are Master Guild Techs. All agreed this whole f* up was in fact your fault. They didn't bother to watch the whole video because they were simply bad mouthing your decision to use two damn shims AND an adapter to lift your car. You did provide a good laugh though.
This comment is a couple years late but thats RUclips for ya. Hope you learned from this mistake. Honestly, you should have simply contacted your local dealership and asked what the Techs there use to lift your car. We have DIY customers who call in for simple questions like this, not often of course but they do call.
Still feeling with your hands is not as definitive as just using your eyes and watching as the vehicle goes up. Since you felt with your hands and not looked with your eyes it’s clear it slipped off the pucks because you probably didn’t have it centred enough on the pucks.
The problem was his pinch weld adapter does not have a flat bottom. Slipped right off
That's part of it... The other parts are the pinch weld adapter is anodized aluminum so it has little grip. Another is his stack is multiple items, is a Jenga tower better as one block or 10 blocks? Third is his jack doesn't have a smooth enough surface to roll over to keep the jack point vertical and instead pulls the jack point outward. Forth is it makes no sense to have the rear on ramps while jacking up the front. The chassis angle change as the front jack point loads is significant and contributed to the car falling off the stack...
I still think a variable was the rear was on a ramp stand as well. As for the difficulty getting to the pinch weld in that case you could have just jacked it off one of the front or rear axle points fixed structures etc
Yea rear being up didn't help
I use scissor lift to get access to good lifting point first, then Jack stands. Two hockey pucks is crazy.
Dude!!!!! Amazing Analysis... This tells me I don't have to worry about jacking my car up in that location. Just as long as my jack + gadget do not slip I am ok! Thanks for the demonstration.
When this guy says, hold my beer, I'll jack your car up, and you go under it's safe, don't.
I appreciate your video because you showed how the” pad” part of the jack doesn’t rise straight up. It moves in a slight arch. This is why the jack has wheels not just to move the jack around the shop. When jacking from the ends the vehicle can move an inch or so back towards the jack or the jack itself may roll a bit as the car is raised. With that thought in mind keep in mind that any pieces you add to the jack’s pad might move. For those hating on this guy for already doing what he did we all saw the issue but thanks for driving it home. Anyone else who watches this from now on, just remember what the lesson is here, or……buy a jack with a height adjustable pad and make sure the pad is centred on the point it contacts the vehicle.
You should buy the proper stuff. That jack is nice and works great, harbor freight makes good shit for the “MONEY!” (Meaning best of the cheap shit) You have an expensive car, spend some money next time and buy a jack with locking jack height extenders. Solid connection. If I jacked up any of my cars it must be positive connection 100%. Those pucks are shit in my opinion, they should only be used 1 at a time, (never stacked) or when a vehicle is being lifted all four corners at once to avoid an extreme angle. (Never stacked as well) That angle was created by the car leaning to one side and it slipped off. Still your fault in my book!!! Lesson learned!!!!
He has an automated jack system now.
I would hope so, especially after that happening. Could have been much worse. Let’s say he was under that car. His wife would have found him, GOD FORBID! So many men are found dead under cars! Don’t like horror stories! If you work on your car, have the proper equipment and read constantly about cribbing/ blocking/jacking/or lifting up vehicles properly.
Make sure the Jack is walking under the car, your Jack wasn’t walking because it was stuck on something. (Your Jack wasn’t rolling under the car)
This is great info! Thanks for sharing. Was interested in the GSF but I think I'll stick with a used GS350 after prices settle down.
I have a 2008 GS350 AWD. Great car. Very reliable. I have about 260k miles on it right now and still going strong with just routine maintenance. Never any major problems.
Thank you for making this video SIR!
I've got 2 Hydraulic Floor jacks, but I'll be using my 3 scissor-jacks next time!
This was crazy to watch man. I'm glad you made this video because it shows the reality of what is possible using jacks. I don't care how many times I use jacks and stands, I'm still nervous for my safety, my car and will these things hold the car up each time.
You are insane for using multiple pucks, especially on uneven concrete. You should have jacked up the frame jack points on the front of the far and put the stands at the wheels.
I'm sorry, man, but you are not mechanically inclined, which doesn't mean you are a bad person. Make money some other way and take your cars to a shop.
Props to you for explaining it! I legit just parted out my lancer on the grass and had a floor jack, I was so scared that this would happen!
I Totally Remember this, My Heart just Drop
5:59 - see, even the dog knows the double puck/pinch weld block/busted concrete combination is "JANKY". 😉
Glad you posted your video of what happened.
Watching the video of the mishap, I have to say I shared the "OH SH*T!" moment you must have had, but of course many times removed.
My first thought was that you had unfortunately picked the wrong spot to jack up the vehicle.
Kudos to you for explaining what happened, and possibly saving someone else from the same sort of accident.
Still your fault buddy. Your way off center in the other video plus this video. 2:56 that’s why it slipped off. Don’t blame anyone but yourself
Ok buddy thanjs
That’s exactly what I noticed🤣
What are you doing using a ramp and a jack that’s not okay to do
Damn my heart hurt when I watched this. Glad it’s all fixed now! Funny thing is even the dog knew something was about to happen lol
Accidents happen no matter how much careful you are.
Thanks for sharing your experience. This will help us diy’ers to be more aware
Accidents do happen. Would've been a costly repair
The visual and the sound still hurt my soul! lol
Mine too
Damn that pause after the jack was pulled out.... felt that. Poor guy.
I had to look at this really close. I'm like "posted 9 hours ago"!! This is an old video. You went VIRAL AF bro!! STILL hurts to watch that 😭😭
Yea did an update vid
The correct way is to remove the saddle and use a jack extender designed to fit in the hole the saddle sits in. Lucky the car did not fall on you.
Yes, I agree with your analysis.
Thank you i
yah me too lolz totally not user error
The other issue is the ledge in the concrete fails to allow the jack to walk in as the car goes up, thus making the jack head shoot an arc, rather than go straight up.
Stance family problems, definitely a challenging car to lift. Stay safe my dude. Maybe consider getting an electronic scissor jack. Or use an impact wrench on a regular scissor jack for ease of use.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Lifting a car is so dangerous. Having an accident a long time ago taught me how many things can go wrong
Keep on learning as you go along. Accept constructive criticism and rightly call out the ones that are haters. Your videos are appreciated as there really isn't a boat load of GS DIY videos on RUclips.
Yes sir. It sucks that that Had happened but i definitely learned form it
You can learn so much until it kills you one day, so don't want too many learning opportunities
Quite a few issues here, one is the floor itself a jack has to roll as it's lifting, another is the devise (the jack itself) isn't the right type of jack for this lowered car, another thing was the use of 2 hockey pucks. Basically he wasn't equipped with the right tools for lifting his lowered car there are all sorts of jack devises that are available to purchase for lifting a car such as his either to big of hurry or couldn't afford the proper lifting equipment. He could start by resurfacing the floor the cheapest way would be to drive the car onto a 2x8 (or 2) prior to trying to jack it up.I hope the damage wasn't to severe and it wasn't too costly that really sucked.
Nice video very entertaining
Thanks man
Thank you for this explanation. I just bought a Dayona 3 ton floor jack and needed to see this.
We live, learn and grow. Keep up the good content brother 🤙
So...what do you use to jack up the car now?
Thanks man.
Congratulations on the Baby and on the new ride!!!
@@BulletsGarage 🙏 thanks brother
It looks like the rear wheels of the jack slipped. It wouldn't have happened if the jack was designed to sit on itself (maybe on something like stabilizer arms) rather than on its wheels when lifting. Like, if it was sitting on a couple of planks of plywood between the jack wheels, it would be much more stable. In the case of wheels, the axial forces are concentrated more on the center of 4 wheels, and any change in the top load angle /horizontal forces will change that point, causing the wheel to move. This is also the reason why most car manufacturers prefer scissors jack.
Hey at least the video got you millions of views on multiple platforms.
That’s true
All good shit happens, at least the dog didn't get hurt.
Lol @ this guy thinking that his idiotic setup is somehow less stupid than jacking the car up by the side skirt! Of course it slid off the jack.
Still the big mistake is not using his eyes and watching the car underneath as he jacks up. I don’t care how good you are get on the ground double triple check jack slowly. This guy just started pumping the jack so fast and the cracking noise was not his ramps that was the car 100%.
Finding a way to attach the shims to the jack semi or just permanently seems like a good solution to this
Don't listen to the haters, they are idiots who do not have a nice GSF like you! I saw the first video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you lam
Did the jack come with the two hockey pucks? Not sure I’ve seen them before 🤔 they usually have a big rubber pad on that section. I’d use a nice big chunk of wood next time pal then it’s less likely to slip. The metal of the jack and car dig in to the wood and help keep it in place. A solid plastic puck, especially two stacked, was always going to slip. Even if it went up, you could have gotten under there and then it slipped off when knocked or with any force of you trying to remove bolts from under the car. Stay safe. 👍🏼
Great video! I am curious if you have come up with a better way to jack your car up.
FWIW, it totally makes sense that the pucks might slip before the jack moved. Really depends on the friction force between the pucks vs the friction forces at the jack wheels.
I like that bracket for the pinch weld I'm only looking at this. Video because car x flattened all of my places to put my floor jacks and was wondering how I was going to straighten my out .I thought mine where really flimsy On my 2002 Buick lesabre
I have a 2024 civic and I have to jack it up a little from a jack point in the front to be able to access the primary jacking point...jacks move a little as well when lifting a car.
I mean it's a nice idea but iv been jacking cars up most my life I go straight for the brace in the wheel where the jack stands go in the hole I bypass all the pinch welds lol or if I'm lucky I get fork lift under the whole thing with some silicone bed on it or something
watching the slip happen a few times, it wasn't being jacked up when it slipped, and you can see the two wheels on the jack were sideways and they started to turn forwards as it was slipping.
Thank you for sharing the details about the failure. It definitely helps others avoid the issue.
Recommendation: use the ramps on the end of the car getting lifted: drive car onto boards to get the front to clear the ramps and then drive the car onto the ramps. Then use floor jack on front center lift point of the car. Then remove the ramps and put in place some jack stands on left and right sides if you need to take wheels off. You should always have both right and left sides lifted to cause less stress on the chassis. Done ....
why bother with the boards & ramps ? why not just jack on the lift points ?
so how do you do it now? different jack? i did mine the other day and i was stressing out lol... my jack was not moving in, and this was on pavement. it did start to move in some as it got higher, but i see people use them in gravel. and lets not even talk abut the jack stands.... mine and most have this V shape and really does not fit right on those pinch welds. thanks for sharing..
Always if using jack exatenions/hockey pucks always ensure that they bolt down onto the actual jack pad or some locking mechanism that provides a mechanical bond. Burton the bright side it wasn’t a failure it was just another life lesson, ad I can tell by your demeanor you understand that concept. Great video this will teach/ save millions. Keep it up!!
I always use a 2x4. It’s very forgiving against the metal. And sort of molds itself into the lifting point and the jack’s base.
Those hockey pucks scared me as soon as you pulled them out. Way to small to slow a lot on movement and to many that it would allow one of them to start slipping.
For anybody new watching this,
1) get a jack that has the different height attachments.
2) The pucks are smooth and dont grab. If you look at the contact point on a jack, it has teeth that grab and the cars pinch point grabs and pulls the jack in as its going up. Hence why they recommend using pinch points. Obviously, using the pinch points is not always reliable or sufficient. Make sure your jacks wheel rotate, make sure the surface the jack is on is relatively smooth. Make sure your jack makes good contact and can grab that contact.
Excatly.
There’s cracks on your foundation floor. One of the wheels on your jack must’ve moved slightly and wasn’t leveled. That’s what caused the jack to move.
Great video, glad ya got it fixed up. My buddy told me about this and said if I keep using a puck it’s going to dry rot and fail me one day:/ so I’ve been using wood but don’t know what else I could try. Since I know wood will dry rot aswell but shows signs easier