Am I a Builder or a Carpenter?
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"Wood Butcher" is a self-deprecating term I sometimes use when I'm in a flippant mood.
A sawdust fabricator, maybe?
Me too! "Rough but strong" was how one boatyard owner described my work just after I had done a fine stepped scarf on a teak toe rail repair.
Hello colleague
Cheers for the mention Scott! Glad those tips helped. Always welcome to build the cabinets at my workshop 🙃
Isn’t his container bigger😂? I’m always blown away by what you produce in your space.
Are we taking collab here? 🤩🤩
@@default9740 Hahaha is it?? Yeah probably...
Lol! Between us, we might have enough room to build a kitchen one day?
I checked out your videos, your handiwork is awesome.
UK based oak framer here. I make oak structural timber frames (traditional/heritage type construction) - A specialist type of carpenter. A carpenter makes wooden structures: walls, roofs, decking, floors, tree houses, playgrounds, cabins, etc from the ground up.
A joiner is someone who makes features which go inside a building: windows, doors, kitchen cabinets, stairs and fits them inside a building, along with floorboards, skirting etc etc.
A builder is someone who builds structures. This includes carpenters masons and brick layers. In the UK we have the term 'general builder' - this is usually someone who does a bit of everything or will have a full, multi skilled team.
Technically joiners are not builders. But the term is misunderstood and many people who refer to themselves as joiners actually mostly do both carpentry and joinery.
Scott seems like one of the nicest guys in world lol
Hey Scott, in Germany it's even more complicated then in New Zealand or the UK. For most jobs we have different people doing them.
Since we use lot of Concrete and Stones in our Houses, we have a job called Maurer (directly translated: waller) then you have plumber, electrician and all this things you guys know. But then the wood work. There is a Bautischler (directly translated: construction carpenter), who is specified in high quality doors and windows. Our normal door are pretty much pre build btw. We buy the door frame, which already contains a special two piece hinge. Then the door has got the second piece of the hinge.
And then we have normal Tischler (normal carpenter), who are specified in building just furniture. And then there is a Zimmerer (directly translated: Roomer), who isn't specified in rooms ;). These guys make the roof construction. It then there is another guy, who closes the roof with normal metal panels, some sort of bitume thing or smaller shingles.
Just to name some construction jobs ;)
Ahh and sorry for my German English. I hope everything is understandable
Cheers Alex
Vielen Dank Alex, dein Englisch ist sehr klar und verstehbar. Interesting to see the terms used in Germany
Interesting, I'm wondering if the dutch general word for carpenter (timmerman) has the same root as the german Zimmerer
Then it gets even more confusing when you go to toilet.... Which zip should i use! :)
@@fduisterwinkel Well, could be. I'm not an Belgian expert but Timmerman could come from timber or have the same roots as timber. Although it sounds pretty much the same, Zimmerer might come from Zimmer, which means room in German. But as I said I'm not sure about that :)
@@fduisterwinkel yes. German initial z = Dutch and English t. Zu - toe - to
In Brazil we call them "marceneiro" (joiner) a person who builds cabinets and work with wood. "carpinteiro" (carpenter) a person who usually builds structures - mostly the ceiling parts. "Pedreiro" (bricklayer) is the main service where the person builds walls, floors and usually uses bricks and cement, where a 'construtor'(constructor) is the contracted person who builds he entire house with his employees or 3rd parties. There's also the 'serralheiro' who is a person who generally works with metal structures and welding.
in that sentence, I see a Carpenter (Joiner/fitter), a Brickie, a Builder, an Engineer, a Concreter.
There's a funny term for the small repair guy. In Brazil some places we call them "marido de aluguel" (husband for rent). The small things are generally the house circuit breaker, shower, outlets, kitchen plumbing, faucet, lights, caulking and painting bathroom, etc.
A new SBC vid two days in a row?! #blessed
Hey Scott, you inspired me to finally buy some tools and build my own "shed", I ended up turning it into a little hang out for me and my mates when they pop over. Built a seating and table in it and I wouldn't have built without your videos inspiring me to do it. Thanks for the vids man.
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@@jacklancaster1445 i do. Man's is sharing something he ls proud of
hey，I do BCITO course ，I want do get LBT of builder, is it good ?
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@@jacklancaster1445 I do mate, that's awesome for someone with no carpentry or building background to build, that's something to be proud of mate
In the Netherlands we call that job a "timmerman" (EN: Carpenter) but literally translated "timmerman" means 'a guy who's knocking on wood -with a hammer-' 🛠️
Interesting that timmerman = English timber+man
In the US, a 'builder' is usually a company that develops land to build new construction homes on and contracts out for the individual trades to build the houses. Often the on site superintendent is referred to as the 'builder', who schedules and oversees the work of the various trades but doesn't do any of the work.
Exactly the same in Australia. A builder manages the build and organises trades such as carpenters with the bonus that we’re allowed to do everything except plumbing and electrical ourselves if we want. Carpenters can’t call themselves builders, it’s an extra qualification with training to observe the national construction code (obvs SBC would meet competencies though). New houses and structural work requires oversight by a builder. I think NZ chippies have always been more extensively trained than Aus though?
My mate who is a qualified Carpenter calls me a Sugar bag Carpenter because i am not qualified builder. His first job as an apprentice was to build his own Tool Box. Love you work Scott Brown
Here in Sweden is all workers who work with wood called "Snickare", therefore the name of the Snicker's workwear brand. But we add a prefix to define whih kind of wood worker or snickare:
Möbelsnickare (Furniture carpenter) - Build furniture, chairs, coffe tables etc.
Maskinsnickare (Machine carpenter) - A joiner - builds stairs, door, windows etc.
Byggnadssnickare (Building carpenter) - A framer - builds houses, decks, fences etc.
But we have one exception: Timmerman, which means "Timber Man". A Timmerman is specialized in builing and restoring wooden log houses. Wich is almost all 1-3 story houses buildt before year 1900 here in Sweden.
The way I’ve always seen it is that the builder is the one with the cert 4 and usually in charge of the job site and the carpenter/chippy is the one with the cert 3 generally the contractor or works for the builder (Australia)
Yes agreed and you don't necessarily have to be a chippy to be a builder but it helps
cert 4 isnt a builders licence. you dont even have to be qualified in cert 3 to apply for you cert 4. cert 4 is generally business management. There a 2 types of builders DBU and DBL, U standing for unlimited and L standing for limited. DBL allows you to apply for a builder qualification on specific components of various building projects and is easier to achieve. DBU qualification requires an extensive knowledge of the construction processes from start to finish. this is also why it is more helpful to first be a carpenter before becoming a builder. And im not sure of the exact process for obtaining a DBU but im fairly sure it consists of exams/ courses that can be quite pricey and i believe non refundable if you fail. i also think you are required to sit in front of a panel who will quiz you on various construction processes/ regulations, from the footings to the waterproofing requirements ect.
@@verceti2395 Exactly what you've said is correct. To actually be a licensed builder is actually quite tough and most fail. There are courses out there to help prepare you for it but not compulsory
When I did my apprenticeship, bout 30 years ago, we were trained as carpenters and joiners. I've gone back to the same training centre to teach the course recently and it's still Carpentry and Joinery. The difference over here in Ireland is a carpenter does the site work, 1st fix, roofing, 2nd fix, shuttering etc. The joiner does the workshop stuff such as making the windows and doors and building the stairs and running off architrave and skirting. Some people just stick to either Carpentry or Joinery but I was lucky enough to always keep my hand in all aspects of the trade. I was pouring concrete onsite today, I'll be making iroko panelling in my workshop tomorrow and I've two stairs to make next week. I don't do kitchens or wardrobes anymore but I do enjoy doing built in units occasionally. I should also add that I absolutely fucking love my job. I whistle going to work and I whistle coming home. Love the channel Scot.
Your videos are always tonic for the soul!
I have been a carpenter for 50 years and i find myself thinking sometimes " what would Scott Brown do " ( WWSBD) feel free to make the tee shirt :)
I'm not a carpenter, just an amateur who likes turning dead tree bits into sawdust. I too find myself thinking "WWSBD"
Here in Germany we have "Schreiner" (also called "Tischler" depending on Region) who do cabinets, windows, doors, kitchens, everything from stairs to furniture. Nowadays a lot of "Plattenwerkstoffe" which is a blanket term for plywood, mdf, hdf, particle board etc., but the in the 3 year apprenticeship (that we have for most trade jobs) there is a lot of solid wood jointery and construction too. Companies usually specialize in some aspect of the field. This is where Festool is big. Then we have "Zimmerer" who do roof structures which often still are solid timber on our brick houses here, carports and everything else where timber framing and big structural stuff is involved. This is where Mafell a big brand, the prices you get overseas are insane though.
What you can even do with the scoring cut is use a climb cut for an even cleaner edge because then the teeth will press down and not up when cutting, be careful tho.
Love the outtakes! Stay safe down there! Cheers from San Francisco.
In Norway we call it "tømrer" (builder). These guys mainly do the construction of for example a house, and everything related to that. A snekker (carpenter) does all the inside work such as kitchens, stairs, doors etc. and specially designed interior.
Keep up the good work on the channel!
Thanks for all the videos Scott. It's so chill and educational. I learn new stuff every time, and you inspired me to try woodworking as a hobby and make improvements around the house.
I now own a few great Makita tools, and regret nothing.
Hi Scott, I call myself Hans. Yeah, I'm not a professional builder or whatever, just have a tool addiction and a dissatisfaction with most products you can buy in the store... 😂🤣
Oh, about that sacrificial top layer on your workbench, what I do is use a slightly thinner board of ply or osb, maybe 12 or 15mm, and then generously cover it all over with the cheapest crappiest thinnest double-sided carpet tape. It doesn't really stick well, but that's good, because then I'll add a layer of 3 or 6mm thin board, maybe ply or pressed hardboard. The amount of tape makes it stick well over the entire surface, but when it's due to change, it's a I minute job of just peeling up one end (hope the tape sticks better to the workbench side) and replace the sacrificial top layer. Obviously don't use hardboard if you're going to use the bench outside in the rain, but inside it works wonders. Thin ply works well for outside. 😊
Hi Scott, it’s a confusing world of terminology! I live in Yorkshire and although I’d describe myself as a carpenter (and cabinet maker but let’s not confuse things!), locally I’d be called a joiner. However in the south of England I’d be a carpenter or Chippy. Technically a Joiner is someone who works in a workshop making items, whereas a carpenter is site based and installs these items. That said, I don’t turn down work from someone who uses the wrong term for me.
And I’ve owned the Makita plunge saw for a good couple of years and didn’t know it had a score cut option, guess I should try reading the manuals 🤣. Hope you guys are safe and healthy…..
I always thought a joiner was someone who ‘joined wood’, whilst a carpenter had more specialist skills like turning, or creating fancy details, and a chippy was basically a joiner. The inference being that a joiner was by necessity more focused on quantity (floors, frames, ceilings etc.) whilst a carpenter was perhaps more detail focussed and hence lower volume. Both very skilled jobs, two ends of the same stick.
Hi Darren, I'm a time-served (indentured apprentice) carpenter from the south of England. Now an NZ Citizen though 😊.
I agree with your description. I qualified as a Carpenter & Joiner as I spent time and training on site and in a joinery workshop. However, as the majority of my time was on site I'd call myself a Carpenter not a Carpenter and Joiner. My understanding is Joiner makes the joinery in a workshop and carpenter fits it on site but also does structural and finishing work around the building (mostly timber or sheet material related works).
I’m also from the UK and I’d always thought that carpentry was more to do with structural wood such as roofs, joists, etc and joinery was more finish work such as skirtings, doors and architraves 😀
As a general rule... a carpenter covers ‘first fix’ work while a joiner covers second fix but as you say, most carpenters and joiners can and will cover both aspects.
You can usually tell them apart by their chisels funnily enough.. carpenters usually have 2 or 3 steel capped chisels for hogging through the bulk of material while joiners usually use chisels for finer work
4 rows of benchdogs will help prevent sagging on long end to end cuts. It will be especially helpful with preventing laminate tearing at the end of cuts. If you align your sheet perpendicular with one end of the bench you can easily place the cut in between the two pairs of rows.
Hi Scott, I drilled and routered a hole and rebate into my workbench top to accept the 1/4 Makita router so that it can be used as a portable router table. Makes it easy to router slim material. This worked as I also added a larger square base to the router.
In the US(at least the northeast) a "contractor" usually refers to a General Contractor, which is someone who is licensed and insured to manage a construction project. They might subcontract to specific trades or have direct employees depending on what kind of work they do, but they aren't themselves required to be qualified tradesmen.
True, but where I live with respect to home renovation and one-off home construction jobs, the best contractors are highly skilled in some aspect of construction, and the best could almost build the house by themselves (but don't, as good employees make good profits for their company).
And that's similar to how it works in Australia. That said, many Builder's have a carpentry background
We use a peice of 2 inch rigid insulation board when cutting sheet good with the track saw. Keeps the bench top clean.
Love your vids Scott. Good luck with the lock down mate
When I worked in a joinerery shop in teh UK as part of my apprencticeship we would have some 3 x 2 battens covered in felt that we would put ontop of the benches to protect cabinetry we were building.
Hi Scott, I continually watch your every episode and love it because of it being similar to Australia. I am a retired builder from North/Western New South Wales Australia. For me to qualify as a builder I was required to be either a carpenter or a bricklayer (trade apprentice). You would then be required to complete a further three years of certificate four. This included an overview study of all sub trades. The reason for this was for you to oversee all other trades on the job whereas a tradesman was not. Hope this sounds similar to what you have any New Zealand.
I'm from England and here if you're on site you're a carpenter/chippy. If you work in the workshop you're a bench joiner/joiner. Also laminated MDF/Ply is more like 19mm here. Enjoy your videos, you use your circular saw so much more than me, so good to see the techniques you use. (I don't build a lot on site, it's all made in the workshop, where we have a table saw with a scoring blade...no breakout)
In the Netherlands Carpenters are called ‘Timmerman’. Timmer is very old Dutch for: building made out of wood, or just: wood, like the English word Timber. Man means Man. So basically Timmerman would translate as Timberman.
Hey Scott, I'm a carpenter in Germany. Carpenter means Schreiner, and a Schreiner builds Furniture, stairs, windows and doors. We also install our work. That's normal for small companies, bigger companies have Holzmechaniker, they build Furniture,... in big numbers, they also have schreiner who install their products.
People who build decks and roofs,... are called Zimmerer.
Hopefully you can understand that.
Greetings from Germany 👍🏻
I'm 26 year old carpenter from Australia, did the usual kinda work in oz doing my apprenticeship then moved to Edinburgh aswell for a year and a half and that was a spin out with how they build houses over there and how out of plumb every old flat is learnt a lot there and as a 'scottish joiner' you also fit kitchens (that was really good to learn) in Australia never did that because we have cabinet makers that do, but now I live and work in denmark now and here carpenters (tømrer is carpenter and snakker is cabinet maker) they actually build the whole roof from trusses to putting the roof tiles on. I'm doing a natural slat roof in a month very excited. Every country is so different to work in I love it
Love your channel! Keep the clips rolling bro 👍🏾
In the Netherlands we would call you a "timmerman": a man who hammers.
en in duitsland maken we het dan een stuk spannender: Zimmermann, Tischler, Schreiner alles dudes met Hamers
My understanding is the term of Chippy comes from British wooden boat / ship building, in that the workers were allow to take the off cuts / “chips” of wood home, to put on the fire
Hi Scott, a “Chippy” in NZ does a lot of other trade jobs that would not be acceptable in other countries. I build my own batch (cottage) and deer yards on my farm and then hired a builder to build my house and he hired me as a hammer-hand. We did everything from digging foundations and sewer trenches and pits to laying pipes, putting in the electric wires, pouring concrete, building brick walls, building walls, trusses, putting on the steel roof, cladding the outside, putting in the windows and doors, gib boards, putting in the cabinets. The electrician came and joined all the wiring and tested the system. The plumber came and joined all the plumbing and sewage disposal systems. The local building inspector came it seemed every other day to check and OK the building as per the architects plans and council regulations. All done in 13 weeks, and then it took me 9 months to finish everything off. If people believe it’s a peace of cake they should try it? I would suggest that they first enrol at the local Polytechnic on a Building Course. Cheers mate. Harera
bach, not batch.
Just sayin'.
Your channel is so watchable. I am a kiwi now but grew up in South Africa. In SA, my grandfather was a carpenter (or chippy) but because we usually build in brick in SA he was more likely a joiner. I can tell you that whenever we drove past a building he worked on he told us exactly what he did on that building.
You're the man Scott. Literally. Love your content man, keep jamming. Followed both channels, and Paulk's. Love the recs. Good luck on the lockdown...ouch, that is crummy. Cheers from ATX my dude 👍 should grab some merch now, also. Love that I learned about the smoko from you 😂😂👌😎
Thanks for your videos Scott! I’m constantly changing what I call myself here in NZ because I was building mostly plywood wardrobes but also some musical instruments and other random wood stuff! Now I’m doing a part time building apprenticeship in carpentry haha. Now I just say I’m a builder and if we have time I’ll explain what that actually means for me haha!
SBC you are a busy busy boy!👍😎well done for the explanations.
Hi Scott I qualified 35 years ago as a city and guilds carpenter and joiner in the north east of England and was always told a carpenter works with heavier timbers traditional roofs floors stud work etc and a joiner does the finishing doors skirting architraves etc love the channel keep going through lockdown
Now that you have the bench dogs, you need little bits to raise the side wings to the same height. A U-shaped bit of wood? Or cut small notches into the wings, and have a long piece of wood that notches into place? It can go inside the main bench when not in use.
My Paulk style bench has an 18mm ply top permanently fixed onto the torsion box, then I have a sheet of 6mm mdf stuck on the top with double sided tape as a sacrificial cutting top, I replaced it after 3 years when mangled and the tape held up just fine over that time and super easy to replace
I started my own business a year ago and you are one the people that inspired me to do it and it's been one of the best decisions I've ever made
Me and wife love your channel
Stay strong
Hi Scott, i have the same problem with the top of the benches getting chewed up from skill saws, rail saws etc. I put a layer of 6mm mdf on the top so that when it gets bad you only replace the 6mm and not the whole top. Just a thought. Love the videos, keep the coming.
Hi Martin
Good idea, just beware MDF dust isn't good for your lungs.
Plywood might be safer???? I think???
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Hi Scott, Here in France a "maçon" is a builder but mostly concrete and bricks. A "charpentier" is mostly working on roof structures. We have "menuisiers" (joiners) for windows, doors and stairs. We have "ébéniste" for furniture but it is often "menuisier-ébéniste" combo. Lately, there is "agenceur" who are specialist in kitchen, dressing and cabinets stuff. Good luck with level 4, here the situation is not as good and I wished my government as the courage of yours. Stay strong
Hi Scott, the UK use the terms chippie, carpenter or joiner. When I cut sheet material on my mobile bench top I use sacrificial timbers on the top to save damage. Thanks for the video Scott hope your lockdown is a short one.👍👍
Yes “contractor” is common term for what you do in the US. Also like you they often take on whatever portion of the work they like and sub-contract out to other trades. Usually remodeling contractors are the saw and hammer type like you.
Great job as always Scott!
Hi Scott absolutely love the channel, really are a big inspiration to me, love learning tips and tricks off you. I’m from Plymouth in the Uk and here we also call ourselves chippys or Carpenters, I think a builder is more of a multi-trade term over here. Hope you’re well and can’t wait to see some more stuff soon!🇬🇧
In Scotland it is generally a joiner for someone who does building trade work, a carpenter for someone who does furniture grade work and chippy is often used in filming for set builders.
I used to use dogs to lift the material up but spent to much time tying to line up the cut to miss them or moving them around the bench to support material. Now I use some sacrificial mdf Strips for long rip cuts like Ron does, works a treat. I would recommend some parallel guides for you long cuts and probably a rail square in your case to get accurate cuts. Small gaps in (especially white) cabinets creep in so easily when you are the tiniest bit out.
Love your channel. I’m in the US state of Missouri, middle of the country and around here your would be a carpenter as you work in wood. My uncle was a builder in that he would build buildings such as schools and such. I’m fascinated by your channel and just how you do things in your part of the world. Awesome
In Norway, builders are called timberers, because houses are mainly built in wood, even larger ones with a building in Bergen called "The tree" and a huge wooden building along the river Mjøsa called "Mjøstower"
And carpenters we call "snekker" or "Møbelsnekker"
Welcome to the land of lockdown mate...am in Sydney, so it's nice to see others are joining us in the solitary life.
Hope you guys get out of it sooner than us, we're stuck in it for another month 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Cheers from Aus Scott, and keep up the great work and vids...love em here over the ditch
It’s cause someone who came from Australia to NZ why we in lockdown in the first place. 😂🤮🤢
I'm from Maine, USA. I build hardwood furniture, demo and remodel, build decks n stairs, and trim walls n windows, etc. With obvious overlap I'm respectively a woodworker, contractor, carpenter and finish carpenter.
Here in the Netherlands we have a specific verb for hammering nails into wood; 'timmeren'. A carpenter is thus a 'timmerman'. Cabinetry is usually made by interior builders (interieurbouwers) or furniture makers (meubelmakers). Resoration carpenter (restauratietimmerman) is also a fairly common specialisation, due to the many monuments and historical buildings we have in NL.
Builders are called 'bouwvakkers' but thats a very broad term describing anyone who does physical labour on a job site.
Generally in the UK a joiner will work in a shop joining wood (mortice & tenons, dominoes etc) making doors windows and the like, whereas a carpenter usually works on site, great channel thanks
I'm a Joiner/Cabinetmaker. The official german term is 'Tischler'. Even tho many people, especially in the south call it 'Schreiner'. During the apprenticeship you learn Cabinetmaking as well as structual work like hanging ceilings, building decks and framed walls (most commonly inside), cladding, window fitting (even tho there are qualified Windowfitters around) etc. Kind of the same things you do. Even if building regulations and dimensions are often different ;)
A Carpenter in Germany does only structual wood work. Building houses (framing), roofing, carports, etc.
Funny thing is, when I did my work and travel in NZ back in 2016 one local guy I worked for told me I'm more like a joiner, I had Carpenter listed in my CV, as I do more Cabinet Stuff. 'A Carpenter does more building' he went on. Just to add to the confusion :D
Scott you should want Ron does for his work bench; he places sacrificial board on his work bench to do all his cutting; that way he does not damage his work bench top. Stay safe and keep up the good work.
Started out as a stone mason. Spent 13-14 years in that. Then got into trucks. Mostly specialized hauling. The combination of both got me into building bridges and carpentry/ structural concrete. Have almost 7 years as in bridge building. Glad your ok with lockdown. I’d end up getting all excited and breaking out in handcuffs.
In Iceland we call ourselves "smiður" or "húsasmiður" to be exact. That's smith in Anglo-Saxon. In Norway its "snekker" (carpenter) or" tømrer" (wooden house builder) in sweden its "snickare" and thats where the name of your work trousers comes from
UK certainly Chippies but I used to get it wrong knowing which untill a proud joiner told me- if you break a window on a building sute a carpenter will fit a new one whilst a joiner will make a new one. Great info vids,keep it up
Super interesting. I'm in Wisconsin. Naming is mostly the same except when I worked for a home company I was referred to as a "Finisher" (trim, doors etc) I'm assuming because we were the last group in after the Framers, Plumbers, Electricians and Drywallers.
Hi Scott, longtime viewer / subscriber, but-st time commentor. I live in England, so here builders are usually bricklayers and roofers all in one. The 3 terms you used, carpenter / joiner / cabinet or furniture maker - are used here mainly. Carpenters do any framing, external ie timber frame building, also door frames / hanging, skirting etc. Joiners usually work in a shop and make window frames, kitchens, etc, these are then fitted by a carpenter or builder, just to confuse. Cabinet makers (US) and furniture maker as names suggests, make the fine furniture, dining tables, chairs, any free standing cabinets such as amoires, etc.
That's the way it was explained to me. I do timber framed garden rooms, so much like you foundations to roofing, window fitting. I just say I am a builder, it often saves a lot of explanation.
Hello Scott! Love watching you’re vids. I’m a tiler here in Australia and practicing carpentry aswell... same here in Australia Carpenter’s are called chippy😊
In Germany we are called "Zimmerman" :) the direkt Translation would be "Roomman" because they do everything that is Wood in the Rooms of a House, but they do Wood constructions an wooden roofes as well
Hi Scott. As I’ve always been taught is Carpentry & joinery. Two different trade areas. Example, site carpentry then bench joinery. Carpenter will fit all wood product in a site scenario where as a bench joiner will produce wood products, usually in a shop/ factory setting. Love the Vids. Reece
2 videos is as many days. I needed that, thanks mate.
Enjoy the long weekend Scott
Hi Scott. In Australia we call ourselves chippies or carpenters and a builder generally implies you manage entire builds and organise all the trades and materials to come together to complete projects.
Also you should check out a panel carrier on Amazon. Great little device that makes it easier on your back picking up sheet material.
In Western Canada, I’m a General Contractor, as I own a contracting company. But I refer to myself as a Carpenter, or more specifically a Red Seal Carpenter, as I’ve been ticketed since 2010. 10 years of building custom homes, but now I build mostly decks/fences in the summer and transition to interior Reno’s, kitchens and built in units in the winter.
When Scoring the sheet material (track saw set at 2-3mm), another tip is to run the saw backwards so that the blade cuts the surface in a downwards motion and doesn't chip/splinter/break out the surface out as the saw moves forwards and cuts the surface material in the upwards motion.
Many years ago I was helping a friend (a lawyer) move, and when I picked up his circular saw to pack it he said..."You want that? Take it. It's never worked right. That's what I get for buying tools at K-Mart." It's worked fine for me ever since I turned the blade around properly. But I've never thought to actually run it backwards.
Bonjour Hi from Montréal, Canada!
Montréal is a bilingual city, and in English we say Carpenter, but in French we say Menuisier (Joiner).
If you go to trade school the course is Carpentry-Joinery in English, or Charpenterie-Menuisier in French. It wasn't until I started working for a French-only company that I realized that the word carpentry is actually rooted in the Old French word carpentier, from Latin, which means "maker of carriages". The modern French term "charpente" means "frame". So in French it's Framer/Joiner.
In English Montréal we use the term "Framer" to describe a carpenter who does new construction and actually puts up walls, lays joists, and mounts the trusses full-time. Not sure if that's the same in NZ. It's funny to me that in English we use carpenter and framer as different things, but etymologically they're really close to the same definition.
That type of work would also fall under what we call "rough carpentry" here. Rough meaning anything that isn't Finishing Carpentry. The French actually use the English term for that kind of work, but they usually spell it "ruff" instead of "rough".
There's also a whole rabbit hole to go down with the European French tradition of Trait de Charpente, which is really incredible cathedral-building wood-working based around scale sized drawings on the ground. It's really incredible stuff. There are some great videos on RUclips if you want to check it out.
À tantôt (see you soon)
In the US, we go by several names. Builders, contractors, framers or renovators. General contractors have to know all aspects of building, electrical, plumbing, framing, drywall, roofing, painting etc. etc….. There are contractors that specialize in a trade, but GC has to know code on all of it.
My idea of a joiner is a person that uses a lot of glue and screws, and stationary machinery to make things like kitchen cabinets, door frames, etc. I always saw is as the less precision version of a cabinet maker, which is somebody who makes furniture.
we play that game here in germany as well....we got Zimmermann, Tischler and Schreiner . I always tell myself its explained in the depth in detail they go with their work.
Hey Scott! Love the channel bro! Here in America it’s different based on where you live. I’m on the west coast and most guys out here specialize, so you’ll have framers, siders, finishers and cabinet installers. All fit the definition of carpenter, but go by their specialty name. Also, carpenters rarely do the form work for concrete out here. I’ve done remodel work, new construction and worked for myself doing exclusively finishing, so I call myself a builder. I currently work building hybrid timber framed homes. Come to Oregon sometime and I’ll give you a tour!
Just come across your channel and loving it , i am from just outside Edinburgh and call myself a joiner 😊
A 2" thick piece of rigid foam insulation works very well if you put it underneath the board you want to cut.
Here in Canada I am not sure of the entire range of nomenclature but my late friend, who knew everything about wood and could build anything, called himself a "woodworker". That pretty well covered it all !
In Latvia, we have two terms - "galdnieks" literal translation would be "tabler" - carpenter that makes tables, chairs, cabiners etc. kinda fine woodworking, but that doesnt exclude construction work. Other term is "namdaris" - literal translation "house maker" - builder making constructions mostly from wood.
Ofcourse we also have broad term "celtnieks" = builder.
In the USA, we have a General Contractors (GC) who oversee's the job and usually subs most if not all of the work out to other tradesmen. Carpenter is a general term, but usually it means someone on site building something. From there it breaks down into specifics, framers, roofers, cabinet makers/installers, trim carpenters etc. Here a woodworker is someone who say builds fine furniture or typically makes things in a workshop out of wood. At least in the part of the country I live in (South East).
I'm a carpenter and today I had to cut out tiles and then climb on the roof to help a plumber clear a vent (in the 100F/35c heat). Carpenter here in the states is basically the guy who's onsite all day and has to say yes when the boss goes "eh can you just do it?"
Good work
I remeber when scott built the mrk 1 workbench, glad to see your still going stong 👍
I spray glued a 6mm sheet of xps foam to one side of my paulk bench to use as a sacrificial sheet for the tracksaw. Works a treat..
From Ireland 🇮🇪 I work as an engineer but I love your videos
I’ve worked on (building) sites since I was 16
I’ve heard the following been used
Roofers : qualified carpenters but as the name suggests they mainly work on roofs putting in joists etc and slates or tiles
Chippies & Carpenters general woodwork on sites 1st and 2nd fix including doors skirting and stairs
Joiners / cabinet makers : mainly fine furniture work and kitchens
So a real hodgepodge of names
in my country France a "menuisier" does the same thing as you.
There are also the "cuisiniste" who makes/installs/sells kitchens.
The "charpentier" makes traditional or modern roof frames
The "ébéniste" makes luxury furniture
but it is not uncommon for a "menuisier" to do a bit of all even roofing, laying of drywall, painting, ...
Already subscribed to The Offcut and King Post Timberworks. I'm guessing I subbed because from your previous recommendations lol
What a nightmare with the rain (and lockdown) you should get walls for that little gazebo, might help you out a bit in the mean time. Also, could you bring the gazebo to your container and have it right at the entrance of it? So you are making a much larger space
Here in Australia it depends on the industry. I work in Commercial building/construction/fitout. A builder is actually for us the head contractor. They have trademen, but also employ a HEAP of sub contractors (other trades, such as plumbing, sparky, carpenters and joiners, partitioners etc) They may build the skeleton of a building for example but for the most part they almost Project manage a job more than anything and sub contract the majority of work out. Obviously this is a simple view but you get the idea.
Started out designing and building furniture and doors,switched to designing and remodeling homes. Mainly wood but also use concrete and metals. I've always liked the term Artisan. Maybe it will catch on.
Although I agree, I feel artisan applies to a master in the craft that does niche work that is artistic and aesthetic. I wouldn't consider my handyman an artisan even though he works with wood, metal and concrete
I like the setup in your vehicle. Well done
Scott, you could talk about making a cup of coffee and I would watch……Oh, you did that already. Never mind. Keep it up, your videos just keep getting better.
Good day I'm in Whidbey island North of Seattle Washington we spent 3 months in New Zealand loved it and I call myself a carpenter builder handyman go figure LOL but I do clarify that I'm not a licensed contractor don't want the stress I'm 63 years Young so that makes sense love your videos keep it up
Hey boss. Just a heads up. When making a scoring cut with the track saw, make sure to run it backwards, in a climb cut. That way the blade is pushing down through the veneer and therefore eliminating the tear-out. Best of luck. Oh, and I consider myself a carpenter here in Richmond, VA, USA.
I am from Straya (Australia) and we call it Chippy for carpenter and Builder for Builder 😋 Loving your content mate. I am doing an Architecture Degree and currently procrastination while watching your videos.
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The first 2-3mm scoring you can better move your saw in backwards direction, then the cutting action is always towards the inside of the board. Just be aware your saw is not set to full depth to prevent kickback.
I'm from the USA on Ohio specifically. I am a finish carpenter, but also go by remodeler or remodeling contractor. Love your stuff.
What you have here is a Venn diagram where the circles have 90% overlap and the differences between the different labels speak more to small differences in emphasis and technique (and even local differences in language). I'd put carpenter at the center as the oldest word and the one that plainly says "makes things ranging from chairs to houses out of wood". But as our standards and expectations of what materials and features go into making a building have changed, what counts under the label "carpentry" has changed. There's also more specialization due to the large scale of construction (bigger companies that build a neighborhood full of housing or large buildings) and different materials and techniques (modern building is way more than the wood and stone of the past: framing, cabinetry, finish carpentry, fine woodworking, concrete and formwork, electrical, plumbing, heating, insulation, drywall, roofing...).