As of uploading, I'm still on Beta Firmware so it's still buggy but will update this after i get the production firmware. The preproduction version is actually decently stable as long as I'm just recording and not switching constantly between different modes and settings. But I did find myself needing to reboot it pretty regularly during testing where I'm flipping through different modes constantly. Also, the false color references the LUT and not totally reliable in LOG so that's something I'd like to see adjusted. In the meantime, waveform is fine. I was also getting a ton of banding but only in premiere. I tried adjusting premiere settings but couldn't figure out why it looks so much cleaner when i export the same ProRes Files with the same LUT through Davinci.... This just makes me want to make the switch to Davinci that much more.... But overall I'm liking the specs, versatility, and the image. So I think the firmware is what's going to make or break this camera for me. Let me know if you want me to check for anything specific.
Switch to Final Cut Pro X. Premiere was constantly crashing at my Mac and Davinci does have some Buggs that aren‘t fixed. Final cut pro seems to be the best alternative and i LOVE IT! Everything i want to do, just WORKS!
Jesus Christ seriously I wouldn’t want any of you guys to carry such a burden so I’ll just come pick it up that way I’ll just deal with this giant space taker, it’s no problem anything I can do to help
I like how kinefinity does maximum frame-rates. Instead of arbitrarily limiting you to, say 60fps when the camera is perfectly capable of doing 71fps simply because its unconventional, they just let you shoot at maximum if you want! I wish other camera companies did that!
The main reason this isn't done in a lot of lower end cameras or physically smaller cameras is because it requires the use of powerful FPGAs or general purpose processors. Most consumer cameras and cameras that are not designed for "cinema" use tend to use fixed function processors that are designed to only do certain framerates or resolutions.
Kinifinity certainly has the image quality nailed. They aren’t trying to look like a $25k RED camera, they’re going straight after the $90k ARRI image. The issue is what you get for the money. Lots of people on Facebook groups saying it needs to be $8k ish to compete with other cameras.
Great job yet once again. Can not wait to see your next clip on this product after firmware update, and more testing. Would be nice to see even a short project shot with this unit that was like something that would be done for even a fake 60 second commercial.
Thanks for sharing your significant other with your audience. She's beautiful. You seem happy together and it's refreshing to see. You are a good man for choosing to include her. Rock on!
I met a couple of the people from Kinefinity at Cinegear in Los Angeles. They are super cool people, I definitely support what they are doing and that they gave one of the best gear reviewers (you) a camera.
Cameras like this raise the bar for the competition. Especially when that RAW update comes, you essentially have a high framerate Komodo for half the price of a VRaptor. Yes, I know there are plenty of other differences, but the dual media recording, electronic ND and that feature to let you move the highlight/shadow latitude are all really useful and make this camera quite fairly priced.
Shifting the highlight stops has always been available on their older camera models, makes life a tad bit easier without going down the EI path haha. I’m finally excited with their built in ND and dual recording media!
The image quality test was like comparing a camera to a smartphone :D. The color detail was insane on the Mavo and the lack of sharpening and CA suppression makes it look much more realistic.
Unfortunately the A7S3 has internal processing that can't be turned off. However the FX6, using the same sensor, can turn off all of the internal processing options. I think Philip Blooms reviews on it show this well. The FX6 looks much more organic. I'd also point out, it's a comparison between a $3500 mirrorless camera and a $10,000 cinema camera. In light of that, I would say the A7S3 holds up incredibly well. I wouldn't 'recommend' it as primary camera for a feature film, but certainly it has it's place for docs and as a B/C/D Cam when used with other Sony cameras or as a crash/drone cam for productions where they can't afford something bigger and more expensive.
Excited to try this one out, would love to see how this compares to a RED Komodo, especially on the blue channel for bluescreens Although the image might look very similar to an A73, the Kinefinity definitely have some advantages, having the ability to shoot 12-bit is huge, the built-in ND's can be a life saver sometimes & obviously the capability of shooting an uncompressed RAW image. There is some weird fringing when you were doing the comparisons, but most likely it is just the lens. Would have preferred if they went with a global shutter considering you're paying around $10k for it. Loved the video!
It's hard to know what colors looks like without knowing what was done in post. And I'd say that for any camera review. Most people making reviews are grading into looks they like. And indeed any color can look like anything in post. So all that said, I wouldn't judge 'what you think the color' is like based on this video or any review video for that matter. I'd rent and test first.
I would love to see a comparison between this and the Red Komodo. In another review the Komodo had to be rebooted/calibrated about every 10deg F. That really seems inconvenient. Also, a low light and color accuracy comparison would be amazing.
Be very interesting to see what blackmagic does next.... the things they've offered at such low proce has been insane. A box cam at $3.5k ?? That would be amazing.
@@mrshaheedmalik nah no one wants a micro. If they make a box camera, it'll need to be similar in size to the Panasonic, z cam, or maybe as big as the Komodo.
I like the Movcam hot swap battery box base. The 8K model of the edge camera was released a couple of months back, but the reviews have been kinda mixed for that camera. I like the Kinefinity cameras. These are true digital cinema production cameras, thus the reason they need to be able to shoot in a full RAW codec as well.
I've tried Kinefinity cameras for few times, like Mavo LF and mini 4k. Overall the image quality is very good, actually impressive! Camera body design is the weakness, not sure about the new models like Edge 6k and 8k.
I loved how you said you were going to sell it for a bathroom remodel 😆 subscribed though because you are a wealth of knowledge with cameras and the reason I own an air2s and started to learn how to edit
Great quick intro of the Edge6K! I can’t wait to upgrade my existing MavoLF to this baby! Was looking forward to the eND built-in and also individual monitoring output. But I THINK I did heard that the clean feed SDI only outputs 1080p 8bits only. I suppose that’s good enough as a “last resort back up” footage haha.
Seems like an awesome camera! I love all the features they pretty much thought of everything! if you don't want it I will take it. Kerry: How much was it? Gene: they gave it to me! Kerry: How are they going to give you something like that? lol, you better get to remodeling that bathroom before you get in trouble.
Nice looking camera. Definitely beyond what I do, but very cool! Glad to see other companies trying to get into that game. I wish we had more unique options in the photo camera space too.
Can keep proper exposure by setting the variable ND on Auto (like the FX6) so that proper exposure is kept by the ND automatically adjusting to the light conditions, instead of having to use auto ISO or auto Iris?
I have to say one I love your videos. Second sometimes I feel when you meet the creators/engineers of the cameras they don’t expect you to know so much. Because they were trying so hard to not explain secrets mid conversation😅😂
What would be your recommendation of a start up budget cinema camera? Also, Dylan has lost weight! Good for him, I do miss his talks at the end of the videos though.
Dude I always forget if im watching the vlog channel or a review on the main channel. Side note: I hope you dont delete any kari/gene footage bc you guys are gonna be so stoked in 10yrs to have so much footage. You better give kari an amazing montage for whatever decade anniversary is called for (id assume 10yrs unless both ur parents were a bit weird)
Amazing features and great colours coming from the camera itself. Just saw another video of Pro AV UK, they mentioned that it's really easy to colour grade with simple Arri style LUT and/or using basic saturation contrast. How was your experience with that?
Hopefully you were able to fly today man! Clear skies hopefully? But I had a question. How do you feel the mavo camera fits in todays ecosystem of cameras? With cameras like the Komodo, c70 and fx3. Granted it does have a larger sensor and larger resolution than most cameras, but it seems priced a bit steep. I get the professional world in all but what would make this stand out against something like the komodo?
Did they fix the playback problems that they had in the origional Mavo? Just finished a feature with it and we had to add a external recorder to the package to have playback becuase the compression was so bad we couldn’t check anything
Should be good be good filming weather. It is going to be blustery the next week with little chance for rain. It rained hard yesterday. I am south of you in Laguna Hills.
My 5d3 has alot of similarities with this canmera for a fraction of the cost , first of all they both can iflm That’s all . I shoot portraits and don’t know much about video and I’m so amazed over what these cameras can do and the technology behind it is crazy.
Hey Potato Jet, great video! I was wondering if you would ever consider reviewing an analog cinema camera, because I'm certain they are still relevant.
I moved so it is so funny to see Peeedro in your video especially the park that was at the end of my old street. Heheh can't stop laughing. Peeedro was voted the Best Ghetto in LA by LA Times several years ago. So congrats, make sure to check out Nazelie's Lebanese Cuisine on 19th & Pacific.
This is actually a very good camera. I mean it suits many aspect from what the filmmakers usually needs and i think it is very flexible. Maybe more flexible than Komodo
This reminds me of the Digital Bolex. It's a great camera at the wrong time. 5 years ago this would have been competitive. Today you could buy two Canon R5Cs for the price of one of these.
I own the R5C and C70 as a B-cam’s to my Komodo and Gemini. I have also owned the Kinefinity Terra 6k and the Edge. I love Canon colors but if this new camera is anything like Kinefinitys past cameras there is no way my R5C can come close to the dynamic range or latitude that the Kinefinity offers. There’s also something hard to define about the Kinefinity’s image and motion cadence that’s just more “filmic” than anything that Canon, Sony or even Red for that matter offers. If your doing run and gun and need the DPAF on R5C then that’s understandable but for narrative or high end commercial this camera is an excellent value and performs closer to the look of an Arri then anything else within its price range IMO…
Thanks for the intro to a brand I did not know. Kinefinity, if you are reading the comments, I get a 403 Forbidden error trying to access your site (from France).
Honestly, at this point I just want RF-mounts on everything. This miiiiiiiight be partly due to me purging all the EF-lenses when I got my first R-Series Canon. I still cry at night after the Sigma Art lenses I had.
If we take large scale production such as TV and movie out of the picture, do you think cameras such as this and red will have a future with all the advancements your seeing video wise in mirrorless cameras? If you can take the likes of a Z9/A1 etc, recording in 8k with no record limits in camera raw recording. Get everything you can think of which is what is slowly but surely happening, are the days numbered ?
As of uploading, I'm still on Beta Firmware so it's still buggy but will update this after i get the production firmware. The preproduction version is actually decently stable as long as I'm just recording and not switching constantly between different modes and settings. But I did find myself needing to reboot it pretty regularly during testing where I'm flipping through different modes constantly. Also, the false color references the LUT and not totally reliable in LOG so that's something I'd like to see adjusted. In the meantime, waveform is fine. I was also getting a ton of banding but only in premiere. I tried adjusting premiere settings but couldn't figure out why it looks so much cleaner when i export the same ProRes Files with the same LUT through Davinci.... This just makes me want to make the switch to Davinci that much more.... But overall I'm liking the specs, versatility, and the image. So I think the firmware is what's going to make or break this camera for me.
Let me know if you want me to check for anything specific.
the link in the caption is wrong. It’s kinefinity with an e not i. Would like to see the price
Switch to Davinci... your will not regret it, especially if you're using one of the new macbooks!!
in premiere, right click on your sequence and check the high bitrate aand lineair colors button.. We consider banding in premiere a user error. :)
Switch to Final Cut Pro X. Premiere was constantly crashing at my Mac and Davinci does have some Buggs that aren‘t fixed. Final cut pro seems to be the best alternative and i LOVE IT! Everything i want to do, just WORKS!
can i also have one for free? :D
Camera seems too big man, you prob dont have the space, ill stop by and grab it today tho dont worry
😂😂😂
i too have plenty space
Jesus Christ seriously I wouldn’t want any of you guys to carry such a burden so I’ll just come pick it up that way I’ll just deal with this giant space taker, it’s no problem anything I can do to help
I like how kinefinity does maximum frame-rates. Instead of arbitrarily limiting you to, say 60fps when the camera is perfectly capable of doing 71fps simply because its unconventional, they just let you shoot at maximum if you want! I wish other camera companies did that!
The main reason this isn't done in a lot of lower end cameras or physically smaller cameras is because it requires the use of powerful FPGAs or general purpose processors. Most consumer cameras and cameras that are not designed for "cinema" use tend to use fixed function processors that are designed to only do certain framerates or resolutions.
Kinifinity certainly has the image quality nailed. They aren’t trying to look like a $25k RED camera, they’re going straight after the $90k ARRI image. The issue is what you get for the money. Lots of people on Facebook groups saying it needs to be $8k ish to compete with other cameras.
You know it’s a good company when the whole review is “This was fixed, they updated that, they improved this thing and added features”.
Great job yet once again. Can not wait to see your next clip on this product after firmware update, and more testing. Would be nice to see even a short project shot with this unit that was like something that would be done for even a fake 60 second commercial.
Thanks for sharing your significant other with your audience. She's beautiful. You seem happy together and it's refreshing to see. You are a good man for choosing to include her. Rock on!
That camera looks and sounds insane 🤯
I met a couple of the people from Kinefinity at Cinegear in Los Angeles. They are super cool people, I definitely support what they are doing and that they gave one of the best gear reviewers (you) a camera.
Gene talks about a camera I could never afford and I’m so intrigued by this video. Stoked they gave you the camera to keep.
I really appreciate your deep dives. But all I know, is that montage of Dylan during the sunset looking SO GOOD!
Love your reviews- always thoughtful and detailed, with good explanations PLUS fun. Thanks for all you do!
There is so much value in your videos Mr.Potato. Perfect. Greetings from Poland
The versatility in the choice of lenses is awesome
Is it just me or does that footage out of Mavo look crazy beautiful?? 😍
Cameras like this raise the bar for the competition. Especially when that RAW update comes, you essentially have a high framerate Komodo for half the price of a VRaptor. Yes, I know there are plenty of other differences, but the dual media recording, electronic ND and that feature to let you move the highlight/shadow latitude are all really useful and make this camera quite fairly priced.
Shifting the highlight stops has always been available on their older camera models, makes life a tad bit easier without going down the EI path haha. I’m finally excited with their built in ND and dual recording media!
The image quality test was like comparing a camera to a smartphone :D. The color detail was insane on the Mavo and the lack of sharpening and CA suppression makes it look much more realistic.
PS I wonder what will happen if you shoot the A7sIII or the A1 in RAW externally and than comparing it to this cinema camera...
A7s3 looks so digital
Unfortunately the A7S3 has internal processing that can't be turned off. However the FX6, using the same sensor, can turn off all of the internal processing options. I think Philip Blooms reviews on it show this well. The FX6 looks much more organic.
I'd also point out, it's a comparison between a $3500 mirrorless camera and a $10,000 cinema camera. In light of that, I would say the A7S3 holds up incredibly well. I wouldn't 'recommend' it as primary camera for a feature film, but certainly it has it's place for docs and as a B/C/D Cam when used with other Sony cameras or as a crash/drone cam for productions where they can't afford something bigger and more expensive.
Excited to try this one out, would love to see how this compares to a RED Komodo, especially on the blue channel for bluescreens
Although the image might look very similar to an A73, the Kinefinity definitely have some advantages, having the ability to shoot 12-bit is huge, the built-in ND's can be a life saver sometimes & obviously the capability of shooting an uncompressed RAW image. There is some weird fringing when you were doing the comparisons, but most likely it is just the lens.
Would have preferred if they went with a global shutter considering you're paying around $10k for it.
Loved the video!
I never realised how yellow the skin tones are on an a7siii until now, the mavo really killed it with the colour tones
It's hard to know what colors looks like without knowing what was done in post. And I'd say that for any camera review. Most people making reviews are grading into looks they like. And indeed any color can look like anything in post. So all that said, I wouldn't judge 'what you think the color' is like based on this video or any review video for that matter. I'd rent and test first.
That picture quality is amazing 😍
stunning cinematography as usual
I'm not really into video but I always watch your videos since you really are unique and entertaining haha
This camera looks amazing
Awesome review, and great tips Potato. Thanks for sharing
I would love to see a comparison between this and the Red Komodo. In another review the Komodo had to be rebooted/calibrated about every 10deg F. That really seems inconvenient. Also, a low light and color accuracy comparison would be amazing.
Be very interesting to see what blackmagic does next.... the things they've offered at such low proce has been insane. A box cam at $3.5k ??
That would be amazing.
They can easily do a box cam at 1.5k. They have done it before.
@@mrshaheedmalik I really hope the next update to the bmpcc pro is in a c100 style body. The 'pocket' style cam just doesn't make sense any more.
@@tbip2001 they just need to make a new Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera.
@@tbip2001 introducing the Ursa Mini Mini
@@mrshaheedmalik nah no one wants a micro. If they make a box camera, it'll need to be similar in size to the Panasonic, z cam, or maybe as big as the Komodo.
I like the Movcam hot swap battery box base. The 8K model of the edge camera was released a couple of months back, but the reviews have been kinda mixed for that camera. I like the Kinefinity cameras. These are true digital cinema production cameras, thus the reason they need to be able to shoot in a full RAW codec as well.
I like how the footage, looks great.
I've tried Kinefinity cameras for few times, like Mavo LF and mini 4k. Overall the image quality is very good, actually impressive! Camera body design is the weakness, not sure about the new models like Edge 6k and 8k.
Wow love your vids bro..keep up the great work
raining on location. so nice to have your own camper van to chill in. food. bathroom. bedroom. ahhhh
That camera looks amazing but what's more amazing is you and Kari 😁
I’d love to see the difference between quad4 and 422 Hq… from like a shooting perspective and then from a DIT/post perspective.
Beautiful Image and tons of codecs = Win
I loved how you said you were going to sell it for a bathroom remodel 😆 subscribed though because you are a wealth of knowledge with cameras and the reason I own an air2s and started to learn how to edit
Great quick intro of the Edge6K! I can’t wait to upgrade my existing MavoLF to this baby! Was looking forward to the eND built-in and also individual monitoring output. But I THINK I did heard that the clean feed SDI only outputs 1080p 8bits only. I suppose that’s good enough as a “last resort back up” footage haha.
Is it a free upgrade they provide?
All firmware upgrades are free, and there are no additional licenses
The subtle "Ambulance" feature is nice!!!
Seems like an awesome camera! I love all the features they pretty much thought of everything! if you don't want it I will take it.
Kerry: How much was it?
Gene: they gave it to me!
Kerry: How are they going to give you something like that?
lol, you better get to remodeling that bathroom before you get in trouble.
Wow. Beautiful footage
a day with a potato jet upload in it, is a good day
The 6K48p in Open Gate sound great. Wondering about rolling shutter.
Footage looks great!
looks super nice!
Hi Gene!
Love your vids!
Nice looking camera. Definitely beyond what I do, but very cool! Glad to see other companies trying to get into that game. I wish we had more unique options in the photo camera space too.
Eyy awesome! Shocked to see you post this before kinefinity officially released it😆 have you seen the Edge 8k they released last year?
Wow. It looks really good.
This is awesome!😃
yup, looks amazing!
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽the image quality is good
Very cool!
hi jesus
POTATO if there is no space for keeping the old cameras, I will be so blessed to have one 🤗🤗🤗. Big fan from India
Thanks Gene now I want one
Dynamic range looks amazing
Can keep proper exposure by setting the variable ND on Auto (like the FX6) so that proper exposure is kept by the ND automatically adjusting to the light conditions, instead of having to use auto ISO or auto Iris?
Kinefinity seems to be this one camera company everybody always forgets about 😂
@CED It’s not about the name for me. 😀 I like the name kinefinity. I forget about MAVO more.
This is a nice camera. You guys do such great reviews. I think Dylan is really the star of the show but we won’t fill his head up. 😂😂
I have to say one I love your videos. Second sometimes I feel when you meet the creators/engineers of the cameras they don’t expect you to know so much. Because they were trying so hard to not explain secrets mid conversation😅😂
What would be your recommendation of a start up budget cinema camera? Also, Dylan has lost weight! Good for him, I do miss his talks at the end of the videos though.
I hope electronic non-polarizing variable NDs are a trend that sweeps across all camera bodies.
Dude I always forget if im watching the vlog channel or a review on the main channel. Side note: I hope you dont delete any kari/gene footage bc you guys are gonna be so stoked in 10yrs to have so much footage. You better give kari an amazing montage for whatever decade anniversary is called for (id assume 10yrs unless both ur parents were a bit weird)
The filmic look on this camera does look really nice, keep it up Kinefinity!
Camera sounds so good! If canon does a C70ii hope they look at this hehe
I’m kind of shocked by how many interesting features they packed into this bad boy.
Amazing features and great colours coming from the camera itself. Just saw another video of Pro AV UK, they mentioned that it's really easy to colour grade with simple Arri style LUT and/or using basic saturation contrast. How was your experience with that?
Let’s goooo!!
You can buy 3 pin fisher for the titla nucleus-m and do run stop.
Hopefully you were able to fly today man! Clear skies hopefully? But I had a question. How do you feel the mavo camera fits in todays ecosystem of cameras? With cameras like the Komodo, c70 and fx3. Granted it does have a larger sensor and larger resolution than most cameras, but it seems priced a bit steep. I get the professional world in all but what would make this stand out against something like the komodo?
the display and buttons on the side for use on a shoulder rig, the variable nd, hopefully the dynamic range, full frame & dual native iso I guess
@@gutpunkt gotcha gotcha!
Appreciate the side by side with the a7siii!
Amazing! I notice a warmer, almost sepia tone. Is that color grading or is that how the camera is?
Awesome & Thanks :)
10:16
“please cut that part out”
“Hehe, no”
Did they fix the playback problems that they had in the origional Mavo? Just finished a feature with it and we had to add a external recorder to the package to have playback becuase the compression was so bad we couldn’t check anything
Should be good be good filming weather. It is going to be blustery the next week with little chance for rain. It rained hard yesterday. I am south of you in Laguna Hills.
My 5d3 has alot of similarities with this canmera for a fraction of the cost , first of all they both can iflm
That’s all . I shoot portraits and don’t know much about video and I’m so amazed over what these cameras can do and the technology behind it is crazy.
That camera is pretty interesting
It looks very different and cinematic
just noticed that the prop camera dylan is holding for the montage scene, is provbably more advanced than anything I have with me right now lol
Hey Potato Jet, great video! I was wondering if you would ever consider reviewing an analog cinema camera, because I'm certain they are still relevant.
Super cool 🤟🏼😎
11:34 wow, my dude actually did his hair!
I already love this camera..and I'm like 2 minutes in the video
surprised you aren't at a million subs yet
Impressive camera!
Such a Beaut 🔥🔥🔥
I moved so it is so funny to see Peeedro in your video especially the park that was at the end of my old street. Heheh can't stop laughing. Peeedro was voted the Best Ghetto in LA by LA Times several years ago. So congrats, make sure to check out Nazelie's Lebanese Cuisine on 19th & Pacific.
Very cool camera
This is actually a very good camera. I mean it suits many aspect from what the filmmakers usually needs and i think it is very flexible. Maybe more flexible than Komodo
This reminds me of the Digital Bolex. It's a great camera at the wrong time. 5 years ago this would have been competitive. Today you could buy two Canon R5Cs for the price of one of these.
I own the R5C and C70 as a B-cam’s to my Komodo and Gemini. I have also owned the Kinefinity Terra 6k and the Edge. I love Canon colors but if this new camera is anything like Kinefinitys past cameras there is no way my R5C can come close to the dynamic range or latitude that the Kinefinity offers.
There’s also something hard to define about the Kinefinity’s image and motion cadence that’s just more “filmic” than anything that Canon, Sony or even Red for that matter offers. If your doing run and gun and need the DPAF on R5C then that’s understandable but for narrative or high end commercial this camera is an excellent value and performs closer to the look of an Arri then anything else within its price range IMO…
looks good! Pity the price point puts it in a difficult spot
Thanks for the intro to a brand I did not know. Kinefinity, if you are reading the comments, I get a 403 Forbidden error trying to access your site (from France).
IQ looks very similar to that of black magic. Very natural and dreamy
This didn’t pop into my feed for some reason! As for the camera, it looks cool but I’d probably want the komodo with its global shutter.
Hotboxin the van huh? :-P AWESOME I'll join ya....
If I buy mavo 6k body, would it be worth?
I can't buy full module.
Honestly, at this point I just want RF-mounts on everything. This miiiiiiiight be partly due to me purging all the EF-lenses when I got my first R-Series Canon. I still cry at night after the Sigma Art lenses I had.
If we take large scale production such as TV and movie out of the picture, do you think cameras such as this and red will have a future with all the advancements your seeing video wise in mirrorless cameras? If you can take the likes of a Z9/A1 etc, recording in 8k with no record limits in camera raw recording. Get everything you can think of which is what is slowly but surely happening, are the days numbered ?
Have you ever heard about the smallest, most affordable, cinema camera, The Z-Cam E2-S6? One of us are hope that you could review and test it for us?
this camera looks waaaay better than a7s - it got more of a film look to it imo
How do you color grade you Sony footage? I love your colors!!