76: Local Dirtbags
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this episode Lance Reenstierna & Tim Pilleri talk about the people in the immediate area of Maura's disappearance who might be considered suspicious. They are joined by Chloe Canter in studio and investigative journalist Maggie Freleng from Oxygen's The Disappearance of Maura Murray for an informative phone call.
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Fred Murray started the 'local dirtbag' motto. My opinion, absolutely a local or someone very familiar with the area came along, offered her a ride and did her in. Keep strong Murray family.
I agree totally - everything else does not make much sense. She was not a victim of coincidence definitely. The only other realistic option is her vanishing voluntarily - but why should she then pack all her shit (books, etc) and take it with her on her last trip?
Wow..I just finished all episodes and everything i could find about MM.. I'm left stunned, and most af all; so sad, for poor Maura.. I think one of these guys took her life.. No one deserves that.. Im sending love and prayers to her family, her beautiful father and sisters and brother..i can't imagine the pain! Maura was so so so beautiful and a good kid, just a young innocent girl ❤❤❤
There was that sighting of Maura with some old guy at a gas station and Maura was signaling for help. The witnesss stated that she was sure that it was her.
Never heard that before. Citation?
I can make shit up to
@@bowtiezr2534 I LIVE UP IN VERMONT, AND HEARD THE SAME THING ACTUALLY. T IS NOT A MADE UP STORY UNFORTUNATLY.
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?
Soo well done guys. The new technology might be able to capture a non used phone. Oh, how great that would be. Love your work. Thnx.
Once upon a time there was a cop named McKay who had information about a stop at a liquor store he shouldn't have had because he was never there but he went MIA for what three hours. Nose to nose ppl
My bet is on RF to be honest. Just my thought; I could definitely be wrong. But based on what I know (which is little-I live across the country from this area and obviously have never met RF) it makes the most sense...
One of my favorite episodes. Great job! It is ironic that Rick F has a music video that shows a bridge kinda like the one mentioned in the show, plus if you listen to lyrics of some of his music, it's super creepy. He has been one of my top interests as to what he really does know.
Jiggly Krowza then why wouldn't he sit down and talk to Maggie and Art? Considering he claims he "saw" Maura, then he should.habe spoken to them instead of running like he did.
Agreed Jiggly, are people supposed to give interviews with everyone that invades their privacy. That is a good way to get a shotgun pointed at you where I live.
OH RICK, settle down.. we all know you Killed Maura at this point.. grow a soul and tell the police the truth. Either way your life as you lived is about to change, if they don't get you someone else probably will.
It surprises me that some people think running into a creep or murderer is such a long shot. That area is remote..some people that live there chose that place for a reason, because they have skeletons in the closet and are trying to get away from publicity or being found out. Add in the New Englander tendency to mind your own business and it’s an attractive place for a dirtbag to live.
Youll find more weirdos in the big city, exactly the reason people seek out nice places like the country.
Lol shoveling the bad guy's driveway is an awesome psyop! Lol like a boss.
The brush burning would have been planned before hand or the fire department would have shut it down. It usually takes time to get the permit and have the fire department inspect it to make sure it doesn’t burn the whole neighborhood to the ground. It’s also usually a requirement to have a fire truck present or on standby for the duration of the burning.
Wait, has anyone seen the video Rick Forcier has that is called , I want to thank you, it's a fathers day song or something. There are home videos of himself and I'm assuming his children, someone's children from the ninties up til they are older. Some footage shot inside a trailer, it makes him look like a human , rather than the monster I'm imagining stalking stranded young women. I mean he could just be an artistic loaner that doesn't want Maggie and Art to high speed chase him down the road and it's a coincidence the dogs lost her scent near his home. I mean I don't know him personally but it isn't out side the reality realm for a guy to make a bad joke to his ex wife when she mentions a missing girl in his area. I mean there are plenty of other local dirt bag that are way more dirt filled than he is...
I'm getting a little tired of you flatlanders calling locals up here "Dirtbags". There are far more dirtbags in your neighborhood and in the city than around northern NH. I leave my doors unlocked and the keys in my car. Can you say the same thing? Hell, I even forget my sidearm in my car sometimes.
Mike M I live in the mountains of North Ga , we too don't fear , we do however have shady characters and people who we wouldn't have dreamed could do horrible things actually accomplish them. No place is free of criminals and to think all is always safe is to be misinformed.
Jiggly Krowza yes I agree with you. When I saw that video of Rick Forcier and his daughters it completely made him not so much of a weirdo running from the cameras of the Oxygen Network. Hell I'd run if those two showed up at my door too.
Kathy: I have hiked in the mountains in norther GA and I agree, you are local dirt bags.
Mike M I really hope you misspoke , I mean calling me a dirt bag? Really? I didn't coin the phrase, Fred Murray did to call out your local criminals! And for you to attack me personally just goes to prove y'all aren't only filled with dirtbags , you are also rude as hell. Tim and Lance have so many jackasses commenting these days on their posts it's so sad that people feel good about themselves treating people they don't know like this. I was taking up for Rick Forcier in my original comment you jerk. Put your comment on the open floor instead of as a reply to me , or do you just need attention, or you feel like being a turd to a perfect stranger. I hope God blesses you because you obviously need it.
Sounds like TIm is lisping a bit?! Never heart that before....
THANK GOD... Let the truth start to reveal itself... BAM!
Good episode, but it does kind of crack me up that they're acting like it's strange that Rick ran away and went to a public parking lot when strangers pulled up on his lot and literally were pursuing him. It's not being paranoid if there literally are people harassing you and chasing you down. lol
That's the least of the weird shit Rick has done.
Watch his music video called
Stalker Rick Forcier
Says it's a True Story and some girl knocks on his door and is hiding on his property. This is very possible that Maura could have been hiding on his property as he lived where she crashed.
He most likely befriended her and she hid out in his house while the cops were outside. He forced himself on her and than killed her.
At first he claims he saw a woman looking like Maura but 5miles down the road. He tried to place Maura away from the accident scene which happened to be his property.
Suddenly he wants to help find her and when the cops ask for more help he wont. He did not.let them search for Maura on his property and was the only one that said no.
This episode has recently become shockingly relevant around the 44:00 minute mark. That house sounds familiar. James Renner posted on twitter that John Boutilier lived at the residence but you guys said in the podcast that it was Gary. I'm assuming they're related. Possibly brothers or father and son? Tim and Lance or anyone, what is John and Gary relationship, and was Gary ever convicted of anything?
Christ. I commented on the other video mentioning it. exactly what I would do if a couple of strange weirdos stalked my driveway and followed me down the road, speeding after me? I would try to get away and pull into a public lot. "why are you getting into a high speed car chase with a documentary crew.." because you were chasing him. honest to God, don't be an idiot. it's not bizarre, strange or suspicious, it's common sense. now sure, he might need to be looked into, but it's not because he ran when people chased him. I swear she really grates more and more.
Yeah this lady is insufferable
I just would like to know whos blood was in the closet that way maybe people can start being eliminated as suspects an the case can be solved
Haven't even been listening for 3 minutes and I already know this is going to be a good one. Thanks Lance, Tim and Chloe. Keep this in peoples ear and the truth will eventually come out. I've always thought it was someone local bc it seems to be an opportunistic crime. The wrong person just happened to be right there or driving by.
Why would Rick Forcier WANT to talk to either of you? Rick Forcier owes neither of you anything.
This case is so deep.. really wish the FBI would get involved, only because they'd be privileged to inform this community is not. With that said, EVERYONE in this community is seriously on a mission to find out what happened. Thank you for that info guys!
"Hey dirtbag, it's just a matter of time."
#JusticeForMaura
They have more important things to worry about than a missing bad driver
@@EsotericOccultistwhats wrong with you?
Like spying on Americans, political oppression, and being traitors?
Got it
To be fair they paint him as a creepy person but they did behave creepy themselves. Waiting three hours for him an then chasing him down the highway even tho they were aware he hasn't agreed to an interview. I mean wtf that's harassment. And I don't find it that sus to avoid the media especially if he was a person of interest in that case look how they portrait even Mauras dad.
“Why are you getting in a high-speed chase to run from a documentary crew?” I mean, doesn’t your question answer itself? The fact that you feel entitled to an interview with someone who did not call you back-and therefore obviously did not wish to talk to you, which wish you flagrantly violated, with no authority to do so-and then start actually chasing him…why the hell would anyone want to talk to you after something like that? Don’t be dense. Just the way you are speculating about him and his lifestyle totally justifies his desire to not want to talk to you, and then you have the gall to not only chase him down, but go online and discuss the situation in holier-than-thou tones as if there’s something wrong with him, without pointing a single finger at yourself and your predatory tactics. You’re not the cops. You’re not actually entitled to anyone’s time. Have some damn humility, it will get you a lot further in life
36th birthday
Wow, somebody doesn't want to speak to reporters! Imagine that! LOL...
Art and Maggie and these morons in this podcast are NOT reporters. They are just idiots who spend too much time online.
Parking at the barn? At least these people aren't trying to charge for parking and profit from this tragedy like this podcast is. People live in this area because they like their privacy and resent pushy intruders. I believe you guys are sincere in wanting to help solve this case but you are just amateurs and people are not going to take the time to answer any and all question from every yahoo who calls them or knocks on their door. I"m also sure you can't understand that some people in this area are subsistence hunters at times and fish and game often goes too far to bring charges against them. Fish and game are the ones that started the Carl Drega mess, so lets not put too much significance on fish and game, who often spend their time on the clock with binoculars watching couples at the lake or river trying to get a thrill. I have seen them. You might be better off looking at corrupt law enforcement in the area, who would have the means to cover up such a crime. If there even was a crime.
Rick Forcier does sound like a weirdo and him taking off is definitely sketch. That being said chasing that guy down the interstate is really dumb and a good way to get charged with stalking or maybe even shot and killed.
Agreed. That actually proves the guy is peaceful and nonviolent. These stalkers on the other hand should be put into protective custody before they get themselves hurt.
yes, so dangerous too, cops can't even always control their cars and they're trained to. If someone started chasing me that had been staked out in front of my house, Id flee too
Why was she on 112 anyway?! She was not going to Bartlett then...and her car found in the opposite direction after the crash?!
Why the f**k are you chasing down a local who hasn't been proven guilty!?! He was probably thinking who the heck are these strangers who have come onto my property in the middle of the woods and now their chasing me. Maggie and Art need to get a life instead of using a missing girl as part of their money making scheme. Pathetic!
That's a Jimmy Buffett song, 'When the phone doesn't ring, it's me.'
Don Wayne good catch!!!
Rick was simply stating to them that he had zero interest in speaking with these fake ass wannabe journalists who openly admit to harassing and stalking him and running him off the road in a high speed chase that could have gotten someone killed.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Oh hi there Rick, how's things been? Still living in your van?
@@lanayajordyn9950 that’s not Rick. Doesn’t sound at all like him, and is clearly decades younger based on the music
Rick Forcier looks very similar to Mauras father and I think she let her guard down because of that. I'm convinced Maura hid out from the police at Rick Forciers trailer for a few hours and cooked food and watched a movie while drinking together. Rick eventually overpowered and killed Maura that night.
This guy needs to be investigated again immediately with a fine comb.
Maura deserves justice :(
Has anyone ever spoken to Rick's ex-wife? She could have interesting things to say about his behavior.
18:00 - The hosts speak of communicating with his ex-wife via email in regard to Rick.
Takeaway: Don't get divorced; your ex-wife will get even one way or another.
So they had a brushfire shortly after Maura came by... so they think her remains had been burnt in the fire?
Yeah , but CM (AFrame) was Livid about people blaming him for murder! After he moved from the area to FL? He yelled on FB about people saying he was involved of Maura’s disappearance. Saying “he has kids! Good grief! They hearing this” He was mad and vented on FB.
Wow, when you guys are saying how you actually followed this guy and chased im in a car im speechless, VERY unprofessional and stupid.. Wtf..
Where were his kids living at the time? He supposedly has a son or step-son that is in his mid-to-late 30s. His daughter is also becoming very popular on RUclips. I keep seeing this narrative about him being some single guy living alone with a ton of property when he clearly has a huge family. And honestly I would be more suspicious of the kid, he is totally insane. Writing in comments to women the will 'f' their skulls in.
Jeez, Maura didn't have a chance, did she? With all these creeps around....
She most likely died from the elements.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 if so, why haven't cadaver dogs found her
@@Lia2222 obviously because they did not search every square inch of the earth.
Let's be thankful she didn't kill anyone with her poor driving skills.
Yet no footprints into the woods and dogs stop middle of the road? So she succumbed to the elements elsewhere after getting into a car? Someone dropped her off into the woods after the fact or she ran away into the woods after being brought elsewhere?
I think Rick is a red herring like so many other things in this case. I think he enjoys to some degree the spotlight on him - even while it’s not the best light. I think he likes to play games with ppl. I think Rick doesn’t trust law enforcement nor media, perhaps just because or perhaps because he has other things to hide. Who knows.
What are your thoughts …. Sam?
Great job!
OMG Valley Rd. I'm looking for property at Mountain Lakes.
I didn't know where the A frame house was. Forwarded to 5:40 and cut out crap.
What if Rick grabbed her, a frame house guys and Rick were close, both are involved, one place was for holding other killing?
Why are you chasing this person around NH and then acting like he’s the weirdo in this situation? I swear these media-types are IiteraIIy the semi-solid materiaI fIoating on the surfaces of ponds.
So you’re just going to baselessly smear a bunch of locals?
I mean he probably floored it BC he didn’t know who y’all were lol
Was the house and guy there when the one kid found in the creek was found?
I think James Renner was probably the most vigilant investigative journalist in this entire saga but I think he misinterpreted many of the people and events from the case. He was initially very suspicious of the family but we soon learned that he was operating on some false assumptions and I think Renner would admit as much.
When I hear this story about Forcier, it makes me wonder why he is scared. Self preservation can exist in several different contexts. It seems very possible to me that this dude could be aware of what happened that night and has changed his story because his testimony could implicate someone that he is more scared of than he is of police or he is of public suspicion.
I can even take into consideration what his ex wife has to say but it almost sounds like his more eccentric behavior began to become increasingly concerning after the MM incident. I can imagine a world in which Maura is running by his trailer and he sees her running and then possibly sees officer McKay in that same short window of time.... driving SUV 001 of course. I'm imagining all this and then wondering how a kind of strange, artistic-type dude might handle the possibly guilty knowledge of what happened to MM being outweighed by his intense fear of implicating a cop or even that Floyd fella.
I can very much get on board with a theory that involves Forcier as being involved but for some reason I get the feeling that he was repressing what he saw but then eventually he starts testing waters to see if he can put out these rumors of Maura being in the area without him actually having to go on the record. Maybe he puts that out and then suddenly an angry party confronts him about running his mouth and now suddenly, he didn't see Maura near his trailer, it was actually 5 miles away....
I dunno, just a thought...
Dang....Maura likely never left the area. Fairly disturbing episode.
When you're stranded in a dangerously cold and remote place, the one thing you don't part with is your cell phone. It's your only lifeline.
Was it ever definitively determined who made the whimpering call to Bill Rausch? Was it the Red Cross for certain?
This episode feels like the tip of the iceberg.
Its interstate 91 btw
Keep up the 💪🏾 labors- will do patreon tomorrow to support MM efforts, and your commitments and fervor, 🙏 thank you!
Why no mention or dive into Atwood>>?
He is not alive anymore...
I really enjoy Chloe's perspective and articulation. Does she have a podcast of her own?
Finally getting close to the truth!!!!
Haven't listened to this yet but is 112Dirtbag mentioned? The guy who made weird videos shortly after and posted them on forums? Or was their an episode that covers him and clears him or whatever?
Lauren Skibinski Thanks for the info. I'll have to watch some of the older videos about him. I don't know anything about anyone they have mentioned so far from what I have heard.
MindShock Can I find this info anywhere?
MindShock I'll check it out. I'm glad he was useful and not just being a creep.
MindShock Oh wow he still updates his blog. Pretty cool
Those videos he made were disgusting and heartless. Not interested in anything he has to say..
Look this girl did not go alone. And I think she went with someone or was to meet a person she trusted.. You don't go buy all those alcoholic beverages to have by yourself. I think it was to the party at her school and it went wrong later
The fact that some of the alcohol was missing when her abandoned car was first looked at is something many overlook. It points to her friend picking her up after crash. The question from then for me is when did the friend separate from Maura and where would they leave her?
And, no pings from her cell phone? How could this be with a friend?
It was Rick who killed Liko?! I thought it was another cop...
Neither of those options. It was Greg.