I am a Sri Lankan. I am someone who watches your videos. If possible, please bring a series of videos that establish the proofs of Mahabharata in India. My first request. According to my belief, God bless you.🇱🇰🇱🇰❤
Sir first of all, a sincere thanks to you for this enlightened show. I am a firm believer that Bharat and Sanatanis are one and we have to expose all those who want to divide us. Sanaatan unity will make us stronger.
Read the history first. Ramayana n Mahabharata written some new 700 -1000ad and has too many versions. Don't try to prove it is happened one. Story can accomodate many stories😂. Tamils humbly denies this. Don't concate a story on stories.
Bammans have destroyed India through the cruel and unjust castes system Why should Sc St obc people give Dakshina to Bammans who have exploited them for centuries
Bammans agenda is to exploiting Sc St and obc people for thousands years. But Bammans wrongly put blame on the British. Bammans call lower castes people Mlech and take lots of Dakshina without doing any work
Unfortunately you are also using English brought by the Britishers & promoted by Nehru. You should stop using English immediately. Stop using RUclips that was created by English loving Americans. Build a sanskrit code computers with only Sanskrit videos, but you cannot use electricity also that is discovered by English people. What to do please advice only in Sanskrit.
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgPlease give data and we can discuss on them rather than plain statements. You can Read the book Mahabharata Myth or History to know how the Mahabharata is not copied from the Greek sources. 300+ data points backed up by 1000+ academic citations. Also Watch the hundreds of videos available online.
As per our historical Mahabharata records Dravida was one of the kingdom in the dakshina patha, along with kuntala, andhra, pandya, pundra, chera etc... How could we say pandyas, kuntalas, Mahishakas are Dravidians...
Sangam texts say that many dynasties are decendants of krishna dwarapti. They call it thuvarai instead of dwarka but it's clear it's dwarka because they mention krishna as a Vaman avatar and not krishna.
Mr. Chandru Ramesh: Kudos on enormous amount of research and hard work you have done! However I would like you to consider this thing: you will find no mention of Kaliyuga starting around 3101 BCE in any epigraphy before 300 CE. This is the time when various Jyotish books were written (like पंचसिद्धांतिका). They introduced a new system of calculating panchanga. The system was based on first calculating अहरगण (counting days) from a past date when the planets were in alignment. Although this is not mentioned anywhere, my hypothesis is, this day or all planets conjunction was “back calculated” by someone like aryabhatta or Varahamihira in third or fourth century CE based on the average rate. The method involved calculating days since the great yuga (conjunction) when all planets we’re together and based on the rate of planetary motion predict location. As this method was followed widely, you see multiple epigraphic data, starting sometime after 400 CE, mentioning the same year as start. Now, in Mahabharata it says Yugas are satya yuga is 4000 years, Treta is 3000 years, dwapar was 2000 years and kali was to be 1000 years. This is clearly inconsistent with panchsiddhanta concept of very large number of years in Kaliyuga. Further Bhisma Nirnava happened either on Magh S 8 or Magh S 11 depending on wether you think त्रिभागशेष means three parts of month were left (one part having completed) or one third of shukla paksha was left. This was the time when the Sun had turned north meaning it was winter solstice. You can calculate how far back this must have happened (without using any software) based on precession rate. You will find that 3101 BCE is too far back. Thus, I have given you three points to ponder. Last point explains 3101 BCE cannot reconcile Bhishma Nirvana date. First explains where it must have come from with a challenge to find an epigraphical record before 300 BCE mentioning ahargana and or yudhishtir shaka. And middle point explains the length of yuga in Mahabharata and even in some older Puranas is inconsistent with siddhantas and Kaliyuga could not have been that long in the literature from BCE. You have put a lot of effort and it may be hard to accept these points- which I understand. However do think with clarity about them and reevaluate your findings.
Thank you for this wonderful lecture. Very informative. Especially the background of the Afghan districts. Although, the argument against dating was very weak. It was an emotional appeal and not a scientific one. Completely disagree that inscriptions are the best data point. It completely dismisses the use of modern technological tools. Nilesh Oak has provided an extensive library body of knowledge to defend the date proposed by Dr Vartak. The debate around dating has been greatly advanced by Nilesh’s work. Unless a presenter can provide an objective rebuttal I feel they should avoid jumping in.
Also Valmiki Rishi author of Ramayana is known as Vanmiki in Tamil tradition and is revered as one of the 18 important siddhars. This shows how much tamil people are connected to Ramayana. Another siddhar among 18 was gorakkar, who went North amd preached Nath Sampradaya and established Gorakhnath mutt. Today's head of the Gorakhnath mutt is non other than CM of UP Yogi Adityanath ji. This shows from extreme Morth to South Indians followed same spiritual path. And its common for Spiritual leaders to move from north to south and South to North and spread dharma like Valmiki and Gorakkar. Last, we have Palani Muruga (kartikeya swamy) temple in Tamilnadu. Legend says swami Kartikeya came here after fruit dispute. There is temple known as Kartik swami temple in Kugti Himachal Pradesh. It also has same story. Worship of Karthik swamy here is strikingly similiar to Tamilnadu.
Could you please explain me the species to which Jamvant belongs? Pls also mention its genus and family and order because I haven't seen any fossil record of such humanoid looking bears (or whatever it is)
@@Kalankit5409 Mr Smartarse, each and every detail in Mahabharat can't be and needn't be real. It can be a myth mixed up with true story. There could have been a war and rest of the characters were later woven into the lore.
Mahabarata war began on October 16, 5561 BCE. I take my information regarding Bharat's ancient culture from Shri Nilesh Oak. Nobody else even comes close. Namaskaram.
5561 BCE is a pseudo-scientific dating for the Mahabharata war. Our ancestors have preserved the year of the Mahabharata war for thousands of years through inscriptions, almanacs, literature etc. ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
What I find hilarious is when my work colleague (with a Christian name - John Samuel Shankarlal) comes and argues with me that Tamil Dravidian culture is superior to North India, I almost wanted to ask him if its so superior why did you ditch that to worship and embrace a Middle eastern culture and god now! 😅😅 But I didnt..if i did, he'd probably complain to HR.
@@tusharmaharjan8641yeah as if religion isn't linked with culture mr smart guy. Religion is highly linked with culture. There's a reason why Muslims hesitate to even say 'namaste' .
No single excavations in south proved that Mahabharatha & Ramayana happened. Please go and study present techlogies and prepare for interviews to be placed in good jobs or prepare to start a sartup companies as much as possible so that, you could contribute to your family economy and country's economy as well. These are all waste of time my dear friends. South won't accept North indian excavation theories and North indian won't accept south indian theories. This fight will go on far ever. But, at the end of the day everybody needs food,shelter,good education & well paid jobs irrespective whether it south or north. Be smart take decision whether you are going vomit these histories of the past or you want to live in present reality.
during mahbharat era there was ice age after sometime the big glacial plate just slip into Atlantic water level rise and we do find dwarka and many old city in ocen Sarasvati river was also glacial feed and after the massive climate destruction everything got destroy
Request the channel person, to refer to books written by late Advocate Puthur Krishnaswamy Iyengar , w.r.r references to lord vishnu in purana ooru, ettuthogai etc , which provide substantial references to dravidians, Bryan's etc
Awesome! Kudos, well-said Esp about astronomers and astrologers’ chaos. It’s sad they are fighting about dating rather than establishing the Mahakavya first!
The day they recover from the site of present submerged dwarka, an inscription mentioning Krishna, its over. That geological even took place in 5500 BC.
But why not even 1 sword or any material evidence of that time period does not found. Only book to book evidence and promotion. It would be a great pride if we had material evidence after such massive wars.
British and other Western anthropologists requested Indian scholars to provide them with Indian scriptures so that it can be published in the West and then they also asked another set of Sanskrit linguistics to deteriorate these texts so that corrupt polluted copies could be printed and distributed amongst the Indian masses scholars and students. They did it successfully with all of those scriptures which were not very popular or well read and studied by the masses. They failed when it came to popular scriptures that were well taught and studied because its errors and mistakes were easily picked by the scholars and masses.. That is why their are multiple versions of all the scriptures, and many erroneous copies and publications are in circulation... Periyar and Mahatma Phoole are two such writers who were employed to produce derogatory versions of the most popular spiritual and historical texts because the corrupted versions of Ramayana and other popular hindu texts were outrageously rejected so they used these Hindus to directly attack the grand narrative of Bharat and its Great grand values against which the Christian world felt ashamed of itself...
Cultural appropriation of traditions and customs and calling it their own is the trademark of Christianity. Starting from the Christmas tree to the actual birthday of Christ, you’ll see many pagan and native traditions that the crusaders appropriated to convert the locals. In modern days, this is the way the appropriation takes place- Krishna came from Christ, churches in south india mimicking temples with the difference of a cross on the goouram vs kalasams. Thank you for bringing the hypocrisy to light.
It's Arya Bhramins who were born to destroy or appropriate others history,traditions,cultures, practices. They did this destroying & appropriating assignments in TAMILNADU for the 2000 years. Now also they want appropriate " THIRUKURAL" which is purely a Tamil iconic book written by Thiruvalluvar. They wanted to appropriate VALLALAR recently. They also staged drama to appropriate LORD MURUGA as their God but failed. All these things done TAMNADU to install BJP/RSS Government in TN. Keeping in mind they have not succeeded in above activities in TAMILNADU, they started to divide the votes using star sector VIJAY, already SEEMAN is there, another person is Dr.KRISHNA SWAMY. Still the process of social Engineering is going in tamilnadu. After 5 or 10 years they may succeed in their project. If that happens and capture TAMILNADU. India will be completely under the control of Arya Bhramins.
Read Mahabharata: myth or History. Chapter 5. The author has taken down this bogus argument. Ancient Buddhists have accepted Mahabharata as historical.
@@Johnny-pi1vkfunny how u never replied. Shows that u didn't care about seeking knowledge, what you cared about is spreading lies and misinfomation. Stop this bs
Sanga tamizh literature and versus are so rich. Lot of it Was lost but whatever we have from ancient times has lot of references of Mahabharata and Ramayan.
Well , till now we haven't found any archeological linked directly to the war but we have found Dwarka which is 9000 years old. Also, indian government isn't really concerned with archeology, there's less funding. People like you who keep on asking for archeological evidence never ask the same question to aryan invasion propagandists. Hypocrites. If u really care about archeological evidence that much, let me tell u that there's no evidence of aryan invasion
I think we give too much credence and waste time on discussing western narratives. As biases are hard to remove. A scientific process has to look at each culture on its own literature, folklore, archeology, archeo astronomy. We as scientists need to resolve dates and synergies across our continent. Thanks for being one among many doing the latter to better understand who we are.
There is a stream going viral where these gentlemen’s are claiming that Mahabharata is fictional and there is no evidence Chanel name is dawah wise. Hope who will challenge there claim
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Do not cite literature. Show me bones of thousands of elep😢hants and horses and bones of lakhs of soldiers, arrowheads , spearheads and swords. Remains of Chariots, pots and pans where lakhs ate their food for 18 days. Do not bring literature and stories into explaining history. Show me archaeological remains. Mythological stories by human writers wont do.
@@venugopaln.m5769 Archeology and history seem to be not your strong point. Have you heard of Egypt? The stone structures called pyramids? The mummy of Rulers of Egypt 5000 years ago ? Perhaps not🙄
@@jayanthlaxman9188not yours either. First understand some basic geography and climate. Unlike colder regions where even 10000 year old bodies are preserved, hot relentless tropical/ sub tropical Indian climate won't let even the most durable substances to last over a few centuries. But there is enough collective evidences in the form of dwaraka, madhura, sinauli, ancient saraswati river etc. And accounts of natural climatic and historic events match mentions in literature. You definitely have more than enough evidences to believe this true than other abraham!c religions have evidence for their history
Mahabharata things are in Sangam literature because, Mahabharata is Tamilakom, So Tamils peoples story written in Sangam literature. The war between Kerala kuravar and Tamil pandyas is Mahabharata which the war inside south India.
Nonsense. A story which was well known and revered all over the subcontinent and even beyond is more likely to be copied by a small community of tamils in the sangam literature or the other way around? No mahabharata manuscript mentions tamil and kerala war, but instead gives detailed accounts of dynasties from all over India, present day pakistan and afghanistan. Side by side at the same period of sangam literature (~2300 bce), coins and other artifacts relating to krishna and balaram were being used in places as far as afghanistan, shown in this discussion itself.
@@SamyakindialifeYou guys are so brainwashed, it is seriously mind-boggling. The oldest account of Mahabharat is in the Jaya samhita and there is absolutely no evidence of the culture or the geography in Tamil Nadu which is mentioned in this literature. Krishna was from a community who were cow herds and there was absolutely no cow herd culture in Tamil Nadu back in those days. All the clans such as yadu, kurus, gandharas, Kamboja, kekaya, Anga had nothing to do with Tamil Nadu. Pandavas and Kauravas were doing ashwamedha yajna and all sort of Vedic rituals which were non existent in Tamil Nadu back then. Heck, even the name sangam is derived from Sanskrit and I am absolutely certain your real name does too.
देखिए हम क्या कविता लिख रहे हैं। एक तरफ़ राजा बैठे होंगे, और एक तरफ़ है जोगी। वो मंज़र कैसा होगा, जब सामने दुनिया होगी। भजो तुम कृष्ण नाम सुखदाई, भज मन राम नाम सुखदाई । देखिए हम आपको यह बता रहे हैं जो अच्छे विषय हैं,अच्छे विचार हैं वो जिनके भी हैं आप उनको स्वीकार करिये।
Sir VAASUDEV and VASUDEV are different. The former is the son of Vasudev. Later is the name of a person called Vasudev. In essence the individual and his son are addressed differently.
Mahabharata is a great Epic and the biggest such poem in the whole world. But stupid claims make it laughable. There is not even a single evidence except the mention of the places (which one finds in the Bible also). 300+ evidences? Utter crap. Probably there indeed was a war which was the basis of many stories not only in India but also in South east Asia all the way to Indonesia. Mythology should be taken as mythology. Fabricating fake stories is amounting to insulting the great work of Mahabharata!
If you look with distorian commie lens all literature of India would look like Myth. You will believe Bible which was compiled centuries after the event ,even Alexander is a hagiography of the later historians which are considered as history and truth. Mahabharata is a itihasa meaning as it happened . we have our purana which is means an old memory. we are a living civilisation , we don’t need post mortem analysis applied to the dead civilisation of the world like that of Mesopotamia or Babylon or Egypt or even Greek or Roman. None of these civilisations are live today so we go by archeological records. Here we go by the living experiences and the history passed on on an unbroken lineage of families , guru-sishya parampara.
The greatness of the Indian civilisation arguably begins post the Battle of the 10 kings or the ‘Dasharadnya Yuddha’ (दाशराज्ञ युद्ध) more than 12,000 BCE ago where king Sudas, the victor in this war and his royal sage Vasiṣtha. It is commonly believed that the Puru clan are the descendants of King Sudas. Did you come across any such fact in your research?
Too many assumptions and confirmation bias,we r unable to decifer harrapa script but believe that Mahabharata happend 5000 years ago.... definitely our country deserves more logical and less of emotional approch
Look at the works of yagnadevam, he has deciphered indus script to some extent. Also, the indus script is highly linked with brahmi and is proven to be a precursor to it. Also, script is very different from language. Any script can be used to write any language, for example, cuneiform was also used to write sanskrit
Don’t fall into the trap of ‘History is THIS OR THAT’ . It is actually this AND that. Dismissing the original harivamsha is ridiculous. Its the oldest surviving account of Krishna chronicled sometime in 5th millennium BC, the most accurate period of his existence. Contemporary indology has been lazy. Trapped inside its own dogmas.
Afghans related to Mahabharata? Fool. Those days there was no Afghan or Afghanistan as we know today. Gandhara was a Kingdom (Todays Kandahar); Most Indian history happened in what we call Pakistan and surrounding areas in todays Afghanistan, Iran and Northern India. The exception to this is Magadha and South India.
Shiva is worshipped all over India, so Tamilians saying Shiva was originally the diety is not incorrect at all. Pre Mahabharat, all temples were Shiva Temples, which were consecrated Shiva lingas. But I agree that Krishna and Mahabharat has nothing to do with Aryan theory. New excavation in UP where the warriors chariots was discovered by archaeologists have debunked the Aryan myth
Why is the dating of the Puranas so difficult? The Puranas contain things that don't exist in the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavad-gita, or the Upanishads. It is obvious that the Puranas are similar to the Quran. A new religion based on the old.
@@sirchad9443 the description of Srimad Bhagavatam come in many literature such as the literature of Buddhist, Jain and Tamil Sangam. All are mostly 3000-3500 years old.
@Conscious_science True that there are some stories within the Bhagavatam that are old. Jainism about 1200 BCE, Buddhism 800 BCE These are nit old compared to the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata. SB 4:17 Maharaja Prthu would be an older Tamil Canto withing the Bhagavatam. I'm not your teacher; do some real research on your own and don't argue or try to debate me on this.
Wtf😂yes they have mentioned as like parables read again,they are not saying all are really happened at all, even though its real one they have mentioned the Aryans caste system too ,want you to know about it? And more intresting fact ,there was a story like Dravidian (kannan)beat indra(aryan god) and thats why the story got boomed those days(im not sure just story)..
@@mukuandvarma175 where ever you see a place name with pur or oor or oore ii's/was a Tamil place. The word ooru or pur or ஊர் or ஊரு was a Tamil place. Jaipur or Raipur or Nagpur or Cholapur in North India. Only in Tamil we call many places as ooru or oor. No other language had the word Oor or ooru. Also, Cash is a Tamil word. In North they call Madura actually it's Madura(i). It's also a Tamil word.
The war between Kerala kuravar and Tamil pandyas is Mahabharata which is the war fought in south India and written as part of Sangam literature. The northern aryas stole the stories and planted it in north india. If you go to kerala, you'll find graves of duryodhan and his brothers.
@@bsinhal8351 Listen to this guy twisting the names mentioned in Sangam literature and morphing it to krishna and balaram etc. Also read why duryodhana is worshipped in kerala.
Sanskrit is the oldest language of India. Fools read epics as only as history. Greater fools reject and miss the wisdom of epics as not being completely historical.
I am puzzled. You are so young and yet you are devoid of basic common sense. Starting from 1818, people have been writing science fiction. Heinlein, Ian Banks, Asimov were the most prolific writers of SF. After 3000 years people would think that what they wrote really happened. There is a book 'Harrad experiment' by Bob Rimmer, a type of SF. People thought Harrad college existed when it was published. Curiosity and imagination have played an important role in human evolution. Creative writers of all times used them. If young people become prisoners of such imaginations and lose common sense, they are as good as dead. Please wake up and forget the nonsense about 'Sanatana dharma' and think about the future and do something about it instead of dying for the past. I am 73 and have gone through all this nonsense again and again.
What a wasted life! You are 73 years old but none the wiser, clearly evident by your reference to Sanatana Dharma as "nonsense". It is one thing to have an opinion and offer that with humility. It is altogether reprehensible to project one's ignorance with such mule-headed arrogance and attitude. If you have a Hindu parentage, you are a prime example of an utterly brainwashed, wasted individual. If you are a convert, your hateful comment makes perfect sense. What are you doing anyway on Sangam Talks?
First - Mahabharat and Ramayan are called as "ITIHASA" Second - There are only Two ITIHASA above mentioned, So there should be a reason. Third - when i say"ITIHASA" Most people always think as "Clearly Documented History as it is" No! Our Way of Writing History was so different. Read the Definition of "Itihasa" In mahabharat and it'll clear all the doubts. Fourth - There's no doubt that Mahabharat and Ramayan are Itihaas but subconsciously because of Marxist and Leftist Historians we have accepted that they are Myths. Fifth- Completely Lie! Our Maharishi already said "Mahabharat is History of Descendants of Bharat". Sixth - All we need, Real Historians + Very Serious and Dedicated Archaeological Survey on All The Sites of Mahabharat and Ramayan. Seventh- Not to prove that they are history, but to Date when it happened. Eight- Only Ignorant people don't ACCEPT THE FACT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO. 🙏🏻🕉👆
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg and you literally don't know anything My brother. Fact is, You ppl are not seekers, You ppl already made a conclusion with no base, Only with hate lol. Sanatan dharma is Greater than your entire existence. Be ignorant, Idc
@@MaitreyaLakshya Shri B B Lal, the ASI chief undertook several excavations in ramayana and maha bharatha sites ande found no evidence . That is why I say that they are stories rather than history !
Unfortunate that you don't understand basics in history - inscriptions are not inscribed on human body, they're on walls, stones, pillars etc As a Sanatani, I only apply Tilak on my forehead. 5561 BCE is a pseudo - scientific date.
Both are epic stories written on the basis of experience & to leave the world a philosophy of life for posterity. To say thy are history is propaganda aimed at cheap publicity. There was no evidence any where to prove the claim. Homer's epics were like that. Great saints wanted to something lasting to people who were most ignorant at that time. They weren't Saint Thiruvslluvar or theTN Siddars who directly told morals. They wove there thoughts Like Lord Buddha in various stories to catch the consciousness of common man . Poet Ilango Adikalar also took 3 morals & weaved an epic of outstanding nature __""Nattu thum Nam Or Pattudai Eheyyul"was his prologue to Silappathikaram. The name Bharat wasn't originated from the legendary Bharatha of Ramayanbut from a great ruler by that name which saint Valmiki might have picked up or viceversa. So let us forget personalities & think of the values thdy left behind as a tribute to the authors. Don't say that Novelist Sandleyans Yavana Rani a historical personality!!!!!
So according to you Indian writers wrote fake stories and Western writers are right Because 2000 years ago,a historian asked the people of jerusalem about Jesus He himself didn't see the resurrection.They said about resurrection and He believed people saw that Lol Same Sam but different
Hey Anti India Tool kit, we are a living civilisation with unbroken lineage , we don’t need post mortem analysis applied to dead civilisations of the world. Our history is a heard and passed on. I don’t understand when some this is written it becomes utter truth and if some thing is passed on with generations then it becomes false. No logic utter crap.
Congrats Chandru for making an effort to know the reality. But what will you say to those who shelf up the entire concept of GOD himself. You might have found justification for non evidence for Aryan invasion .
Sangam literatures datings are not absolute . Even the earliest tamil text tholkappium is not dateable earlier than 2nd century C E . according to Airavatham Mahadevan. Therefore all these must be after Ramayana and maha bharatha becoming popular !
Indo Aryans spoke chand avesta but that was modified after Alexander and Greek Gods, Abrahamic stories and Greek language are borrowed into chand avesta and become Sanskrit (modified language) But Why to Propagate Europeans are different than Indo Europeans ???
Maha Bharat is Epic But not History. Religion is propagated and Literature is modified over the period. Example in Europe all are Abrahamic religion Originated in Middle East So its not true Europeans and Middle East are the One. NO they are dufferent race.And Old testimony is different than Bible Like same todays Hinduism is mixture of Buddism Jainism Saivavism Vaishnavism and Muruganism Ok it is delibrately put in one bowl by British. Which this Bhramins and Indo European language speakers accept for their convenience However they criticise Robert Caldwell for comparative grammer of southern indian languages with chand avesta ( Sanskrit)
I am a Sri Lankan. I am someone who watches your videos. If possible, please bring a series of videos that establish the proofs of Mahabharata in India. My first request. According to my belief, God bless you.🇱🇰🇱🇰❤
Sinhalese are the descendants of Bengali Hindu King vijay Singha.
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You are the Gem of our country, Please keep doing this great work, will support you in every other way.
Sir first of all, a sincere thanks to you for this enlightened show. I am a firm believer that Bharat and Sanatanis are one and we have to expose all those who want to divide us. Sanaatan unity will make us stronger.
True. We are making a world class project to establish unity within Bharat. For more details, check ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
Sanathan is a sanskrit word for tamil civilisation right from the IVC times !
Read the history first. Ramayana n Mahabharata written some new 700 -1000ad and has too many versions. Don't try to prove it is happened one. Story can accomodate many stories😂. Tamils humbly denies this. Don't concate a story on stories.
@@jothikrishnanpalanivel9641 read chapter 7 of Mahabharata Myth or History. Tamil History is intrinsically connected with the Mahabharata.
This book has ro be translated into all Indian languages especially the south Indian languages. Great work by such a young person.
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@@foodmaster5439Chandru Ramesh is a member of ISKCON, he’s well versed in Vedas sastra
आप के संशोधन से तो यः प्रतीत होता है कि पूरे भारत में महाभारत के समय में तमिल भाषा बोली जाती थी.
Unfortunately even after the British left,Nehru did nothing but promote the agenda of missionaries.....
Through missionary schools. So sad
Bammans have destroyed India through the cruel and unjust castes system
Why should Sc St obc people give Dakshina to Bammans who have exploited them for centuries
@@snskumar6966why you go to Christian school??
Bammans agenda is to exploiting Sc St and obc people for thousands years. But Bammans wrongly put blame on the British. Bammans call lower castes people Mlech and take lots of Dakshina without doing any work
Unfortunately you are also using English brought by the Britishers & promoted by Nehru. You should stop using English immediately. Stop using RUclips that was created by English loving Americans. Build a sanskrit code computers with only Sanskrit videos, but you cannot use electricity also that is discovered by English people. What to do please advice only in Sanskrit.
This is amazing, this talk is in line with later aacharyas like ramanujacharya and madhvachrya. This is most logical conclusion i have heard so far!
*"श्री Ramayana and Mahabharata" is History of the World🙏They are Greatest Revelations by Bhagavan🙏🕉️*
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@@realhistorika Both of them are mere stories !
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@@realhistorika History must have archeological proofs , but both the ithihasas lack any reliable proof !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg read chapter 11 of Mahabharata Myth or History
Amazing . Will order your book. Very clear and crisp sir thank you
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I can't express in words your video importance
It's awesome and I can't Stop myself to commend your knowledge and purpose🙏🙏🙏
❤ good sensible work
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*🕉️🙏Hare Rama Hare Krishna🙏🕉️*
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So much efforts ...
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Thank you. Please get the book Mahabharata Myth or History
@@realhistorika Maha bharatha is story copied from greek !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgPlease give data and we can discuss on them rather than plain statements. You can Read the book Mahabharata Myth or History to know how the Mahabharata is not copied from the Greek sources. 300+ data points backed up by 1000+ academic citations. Also Watch the hundreds of videos available online.
As per our historical Mahabharata records Dravida was one of the kingdom in the dakshina patha, along with kuntala, andhra, pandya, pundra, chera etc...
How could we say pandyas, kuntalas, Mahishakas are Dravidians...
Sangam texts say that many dynasties are decendants of krishna dwarapti. They call it thuvarai instead of dwarka but it's clear it's dwarka because they mention krishna as a Vaman avatar and not krishna.
Mr. Chandru Ramesh: Kudos on enormous amount of research and hard work you have done!
However I would like you to consider this thing: you will find no mention of Kaliyuga starting around 3101 BCE in any epigraphy before 300 CE. This is the time when various Jyotish books were written (like पंचसिद्धांतिका). They introduced a new system of calculating panchanga. The system was based on first calculating अहरगण (counting days) from a past date when the planets were in alignment.
Although this is not mentioned anywhere, my hypothesis is, this day or all planets conjunction was “back calculated” by someone like aryabhatta or Varahamihira in third or fourth century CE based on the average rate. The method involved calculating days since the great yuga (conjunction) when all planets we’re together and based on the rate of planetary motion predict location.
As this method was followed widely, you see multiple epigraphic data, starting sometime after 400 CE, mentioning the same year as start.
Now, in Mahabharata it says Yugas are satya yuga is 4000 years, Treta is 3000 years, dwapar was 2000 years and kali was to be 1000 years. This is clearly inconsistent with panchsiddhanta concept of very large number of years in Kaliyuga.
Further Bhisma Nirnava happened either on Magh S 8 or Magh S 11 depending on wether you think त्रिभागशेष means three parts of month were left (one part having completed) or one third of shukla paksha was left. This was the time when the Sun had turned north meaning it was winter solstice. You can calculate how far back this must have happened (without using any software) based on precession rate. You will find that 3101 BCE is too far back.
Thus, I have given you three points to ponder. Last point explains 3101 BCE cannot reconcile Bhishma Nirvana date. First explains where it must have come from with a challenge to find an epigraphical record before 300 BCE mentioning ahargana and or yudhishtir shaka. And middle point explains the length of yuga in Mahabharata and even in some older Puranas is inconsistent with siddhantas and Kaliyuga could not have been that long in the literature from BCE.
You have put a lot of effort and it may be hard to accept these points- which I understand. However do think with clarity about them and reevaluate your findings.
Read ML Raja's book and his videos. Inscriptions starting from 2000 kali have been found upto 4993 kali. This answers your starting points.
Thank you so much Bhaiya 🙏
Hope u guys spread awareness through debates like Ranganathan n others
Thank you for this wonderful lecture. Very informative. Especially the background of the Afghan districts. Although, the argument against dating was very weak. It was an emotional appeal and not a scientific one. Completely disagree that inscriptions are the best data point. It completely dismisses the use of modern technological tools. Nilesh Oak has provided an extensive library body of knowledge to defend the date proposed by Dr Vartak. The debate around dating has been greatly advanced by Nilesh’s work. Unless a presenter can provide an objective rebuttal I feel they should avoid jumping in.
Also Valmiki Rishi author of Ramayana is known as Vanmiki in Tamil tradition and is revered as one of the 18 important siddhars.
This shows how much tamil people are connected to Ramayana.
Another siddhar among 18 was gorakkar, who went North amd preached Nath Sampradaya and established Gorakhnath mutt.
Today's head of the Gorakhnath mutt is non other than CM of UP Yogi Adityanath ji.
This shows from extreme Morth to South Indians followed same spiritual path.
And its common for Spiritual leaders to move from north to south and South to North and spread dharma like Valmiki and Gorakkar.
Last, we have Palani Muruga (kartikeya swamy) temple in Tamilnadu. Legend says swami Kartikeya came here after fruit dispute.
There is temple known as Kartik swami temple in Kugti Himachal Pradesh. It also has same story.
Worship of Karthik swamy here is strikingly similiar to Tamilnadu.
Could you please explain me the species to which Jamvant belongs? Pls also mention its genus and family and order because I haven't seen any fossil record of such humanoid looking bears (or whatever it is)
@@Kalankit5409 Mr Smartarse, each and every detail in Mahabharat can't be and needn't be real. It can be a myth mixed up with true story. There could have been a war and rest of the characters were later woven into the lore.
@@rahulvats95 If you had told this to my Sanatani friends, they would have torn you apart for calling this whole supernatural bs a myth🤣🤣
@@Kalankit5409 I am a sanatani and this is how and people around me roll. I think you are talking about Abhrahmics mainly Muslims.
@@Kalankit5409 yes only Jesus and Islam are real. Remaining are myths and false. Isn't it?
Mahabarata war began on October 16, 5561 BCE.
I take my information regarding Bharat's ancient culture from Shri Nilesh Oak.
Nobody else even comes close. Namaskaram.
Nilesh Oak is a fraud.
5561 BCE is a pseudo-scientific dating for the Mahabharata war. Our ancestors have preserved the year of the Mahabharata war for thousands of years through inscriptions, almanacs, literature etc. ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
You're wrong. Oak's date has been dismantled systematically and irrefutably in this book
@@p007t this book is Sahib bullshit
@@adolforosadoNilesh Oak's fraud dating is bullshit.
Excellent explanation brother 👏👏👏 jai sri krishna 🙏🙏🙏
@14:05+ Chandogya upanishad is part of Sama Veda
Thank you for pointing out. An oversight in the presentation. will correct it. ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
What I find hilarious is when my work colleague (with a Christian name - John Samuel Shankarlal) comes and argues with me that Tamil Dravidian culture is superior to North India, I almost wanted to ask him if its so superior why did you ditch that to worship and embrace a Middle eastern culture and god now! 😅😅 But I didnt..if i did, he'd probably complain to HR.
He ditched religion not culture
@@tusharmaharjan8641yeah as if religion isn't linked with culture mr smart guy. Religion is highly linked with culture. There's a reason why Muslims hesitate to even say 'namaste' .
Informative video... One correction. The place name is नाणेघाट (Naane Ghaat) not ननागत.
On the 11th day ,it was Drona as commander in chief for the kaurava army
No single excavations in south proved that Mahabharatha & Ramayana happened. Please go and study present techlogies and prepare for interviews to be placed in good jobs or prepare to start a sartup companies as much as possible so that, you could contribute to your family economy and country's economy as well. These are all waste of time my dear friends. South won't accept North indian excavation theories and North indian won't accept south indian theories. This fight will go on far ever. But, at the end of the day everybody needs food,shelter,good education & well paid jobs irrespective whether it south or north. Be smart take decision whether you are going vomit these histories of the past or you want to live in present reality.
He too might be sponsored by Scythiyan Ariyans and their descendants
His way of finding food and shelter.😅
Good job
BORI Mahabhaarat by Bhandarkar research institute can be considered to be the best most reliable source of Mahabharat
As a story !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg wdym?
@@ElonMusk-tb2yi Tell in clear terms !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg wdym means what do you mean
@@ElonMusk-tb2yi I mean that the ithihasas are stories , not any history at all !
during mahbharat era there was ice age after sometime the big glacial plate just slip into Atlantic water level rise and we do find dwarka and many old city in ocen
Sarasvati river was also glacial feed and after the massive climate destruction everything got destroy
Request the channel person, to refer to books written by late Advocate Puthur Krishnaswamy Iyengar , w.r.r references to lord vishnu in purana ooru, ettuthogai etc , which provide substantial references to dravidians, Bryan's etc
Ok
Sir we need an authantic chronology of Indian history before and after Jesus
Even the date of birth of Gautam buddha Adi Sankaracharya etc. confusing
You need to refer to Vedveer Aryas works on Indian chronology and western distortion using hagiographical Greek texts.
Awesome! Kudos, well-said Esp about astronomers and astrologers’ chaos. It’s sad they are fighting about dating rather than establishing the Mahakavya first!
book is not available on amazon
The day they recover from the site of present submerged dwarka, an inscription mentioning Krishna, its over.
That geological even took place in 5500 BC.
And Mathura is only as old as 1100 BCE according to archeology !
Google for " mathura archeology " for this information !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgGoogle is made by your foreign dads you son of a beach
So please tell us what age was Maharabat
Tell us what material was Bheem's Gada made of
But why not even 1 sword or any material evidence of that time period does not found. Only book to book evidence and promotion. It would be a great pride if we had material evidence after such massive wars.
Please check chapter 11 of Mahabharata Myth or History book
British and other Western anthropologists requested Indian scholars to provide them with Indian scriptures so that it can be published in the West and then they also asked another set of Sanskrit linguistics to deteriorate these texts so that corrupt polluted copies could be printed and distributed amongst the Indian masses scholars and students. They did it successfully with all of those scriptures which were not very popular or well read and studied by the masses. They failed when it came to popular scriptures that were well taught and studied because its errors and mistakes were easily picked by the scholars and masses..
That is why their are multiple versions of all the scriptures, and many erroneous copies and publications are in circulation...
Periyar and Mahatma Phoole are two such writers who were employed to produce derogatory versions of the most popular spiritual and historical texts because the corrupted versions of Ramayana and other popular hindu texts were outrageously rejected so they used these Hindus to directly attack the grand narrative of Bharat and its Great grand values against which the Christian world felt ashamed of itself...
Cultural appropriation of traditions and customs and calling it their own is the trademark of Christianity. Starting from the Christmas tree to the actual birthday of Christ, you’ll see many pagan and native traditions that the crusaders appropriated to convert the locals.
In modern days, this is the way the appropriation takes place- Krishna came from Christ, churches in south india mimicking temples with the difference of a cross on the goouram vs kalasams. Thank you for bringing the hypocrisy to light.
It's Arya Bhramins who were born to destroy or appropriate others history,traditions,cultures, practices. They did this destroying & appropriating assignments in TAMILNADU for the 2000 years. Now also they want appropriate " THIRUKURAL" which is purely a Tamil iconic book written by Thiruvalluvar. They wanted to appropriate VALLALAR recently. They also staged drama to appropriate LORD MURUGA as their God but failed. All these things done TAMNADU to install BJP/RSS Government in TN. Keeping in mind they have not succeeded in above activities in TAMILNADU, they started to divide the votes using star sector VIJAY, already SEEMAN is there, another person is Dr.KRISHNA SWAMY. Still the process of social Engineering is going in tamilnadu. After 5 or 10 years they may succeed in their project. If that happens and capture TAMILNADU. India will be completely under the control of Arya Bhramins.
What's the name of the speaker's book ? I would like to purchase it.
Mahabharata myth or History
Please read Riddles on Hinduism by Dr Ambedkar
Hinduism is mythology and fantasy said Dr Ambedkar
Read Mahabharata: myth or History. Chapter 5. The author has taken down this bogus argument. Ancient Buddhists have accepted Mahabharata as historical.
@@praveena7694 whom are you fooling? Laughable answer
@@Johnny-pi1vk read first and then comment
Fake id in the name of Christians.
@@Johnny-pi1vkfunny how u never replied. Shows that u didn't care about seeking knowledge, what you cared about is spreading lies and misinfomation. Stop this bs
Sanga tamizh literature and versus are so rich. Lot of it
Was lost but whatever we have from ancient times has lot of references of Mahabharata and Ramayan.
Thank you for exposing 🙏
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If this is so true... Then why only literature proofs, no Fossils ? Or artifacts ?
Well , till now we haven't found any archeological linked directly to the war but we have found Dwarka which is 9000 years old. Also, indian government isn't really concerned with archeology, there's less funding. People like you who keep on asking for archeological evidence never ask the same question to aryan invasion propagandists. Hypocrites. If u really care about archeological evidence that much, let me tell u that there's no evidence of aryan invasion
Title of your book sir
A more apt title would have been "historicity of Mahabharata",
Already taken by Dr BB Lal
Was these people a bronze age tribal community of Scythiyan origin.
Vaasudev means son of V'sudev i. e. Krishna
I think we give too much credence and waste time on discussing western narratives. As biases are hard to remove. A scientific process has to look at each culture on its own literature, folklore, archeology, archeo astronomy. We as scientists need to resolve dates and synergies across our continent. Thanks for being one among many doing the latter to better understand who we are.
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Isn’t Devagabba - Devagarbha in Sanskrit? May be it indicates the divine child she gave birth to.
There is a stream going viral where these gentlemen’s are claiming that Mahabharata is fictional and there is no evidence Chanel name is dawah wise. Hope who will challenge there claim
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No offence. You look like younger version of Dr. Manish Pandit.
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Do not cite literature. Show me bones of thousands of elep😢hants and horses and bones of lakhs of soldiers, arrowheads , spearheads and swords. Remains of Chariots, pots and pans where lakhs ate their food for 18 days. Do not bring literature and stories into explaining history. Show me archaeological remains. Mythological stories by human writers wont do.
Even iron become mud after 200 years. Best wood last only 500 years if not exposed to moisture
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Archeology and history seem to be not your strong point. Have you heard of Egypt? The stone structures called pyramids? The mummy of Rulers of Egypt 5000 years ago ? Perhaps not🙄
@@jayanthlaxman9188not yours either. First understand some basic geography and climate. Unlike colder regions where even 10000 year old bodies are preserved, hot relentless tropical/ sub tropical Indian climate won't let even the most durable substances to last over a few centuries. But there is enough collective evidences in the form of dwaraka, madhura, sinauli, ancient saraswati river etc. And accounts of natural climatic and historic events match mentions in literature. You definitely have more than enough evidences to believe this true than other abraham!c religions have evidence for their history
@@jayanthlaxman9188 even jayanth is name for Krishna
Lakshman you know
All are imagination, no direct explanation.
To agree with you people should imagine in line with your imaginations.
Yes confirmation bias
Mahabharata things are in Sangam literature because, Mahabharata is Tamilakom, So Tamils peoples story written in Sangam literature. The war between Kerala kuravar and Tamil pandyas is Mahabharata which the war inside south India.
What stupid
then where is kurukshetra
@@rohithkumarkotakonda3890 yah its in neaby Madhurai
Nonsense. A story which was well known and revered all over the subcontinent and even beyond is more likely to be copied by a small community of tamils in the sangam literature or the other way around? No mahabharata manuscript mentions tamil and kerala war, but instead gives detailed accounts of dynasties from all over India, present day pakistan and afghanistan. Side by side at the same period of sangam literature (~2300 bce), coins and other artifacts relating to krishna and balaram were being used in places as far as afghanistan, shown in this discussion itself.
@@SamyakindialifeYou guys are so brainwashed, it is seriously mind-boggling. The oldest account of Mahabharat is in the Jaya samhita and there is absolutely no evidence of the culture or the geography in Tamil Nadu which is mentioned in this literature. Krishna was from a community who were cow herds and there was absolutely no cow herd culture in Tamil Nadu back in those days. All the clans such as yadu, kurus, gandharas, Kamboja, kekaya, Anga had nothing to do with Tamil Nadu. Pandavas and Kauravas were doing ashwamedha yajna and all sort of Vedic rituals which were non existent in Tamil Nadu back then. Heck, even the name sangam is derived from Sanskrit and I am absolutely certain your real name does too.
देखिए हम क्या कविता लिख रहे हैं।
एक तरफ़ राजा बैठे होंगे,
और एक तरफ़ है जोगी।
वो मंज़र कैसा होगा,
जब सामने दुनिया होगी।
भजो तुम कृष्ण नाम सुखदाई,
भज मन राम नाम सुखदाई ।
देखिए हम आपको यह बता रहे हैं जो अच्छे विषय हैं,अच्छे विचार हैं वो जिनके भी हैं आप उनको स्वीकार करिये।
Sir
VAASUDEV and VASUDEV are different.
The former is the son of Vasudev. Later is the name of a person called Vasudev.
In essence the individual and his son are addressed differently.
Ur source?
Bro, you are well meaning, but you are not citing enough sources.
Mahabharata is a great Epic and the biggest such poem in the whole world. But stupid claims make it laughable. There is not even a single evidence except the mention of the places (which one finds in the Bible also). 300+ evidences? Utter crap.
Probably there indeed was a war which was the basis of many stories not only in India but also in South east Asia all the way to Indonesia.
Mythology should be taken as mythology. Fabricating fake stories is amounting to insulting the great work of Mahabharata!
If you look with distorian commie lens all literature of India would look like Myth. You will believe Bible which was compiled centuries after the event ,even Alexander is a hagiography of the later historians which are considered as history and truth. Mahabharata is a itihasa meaning as it happened . we have our purana which is means an old memory. we are a living civilisation , we don’t need post mortem analysis applied to the dead civilisation of the world like that of Mesopotamia or Babylon or Egypt or even Greek or Roman. None of these civilisations are live today so we go by archeological records. Here we go by the living experiences and the history passed on on an unbroken lineage of families , guru-sishya parampara.
But I m sure Jawaharlal Nehru was influenced by Rahul Gandhi.
Only yudhishtir was husband of Draupadi its Buddhists literatures stated she was married with five pandvas
The greatness of the Indian civilisation arguably begins post the Battle of the 10 kings or the ‘Dasharadnya Yuddha’ (दाशराज्ञ युद्ध) more than 12,000 BCE ago where king Sudas, the victor in this war and his royal sage Vasiṣtha. It is commonly believed that the Puru clan are the descendants of King Sudas. Did you come across any such fact in your research?
Purus came from Middle East and tried to enter India that is why this Dashradyna War happened..
Puru clan are undoubtedly the descendants of King Sudas. Will show this in my future sessions. ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
@@yb.11 Really????
The contents of literatures like vedas can not be considered history !
@@realhistorikayes that is the truth..
Kalithogai is anathology. It belong to 3rd century ad. It is quit possible there is exchange of ideas.
please translate this book in Bengali.
Jesus was Joshua in Hebrew I think Christ was a later inclusion in his name
Islamic Sufi Sants also said that Ramayan and Mahabharat is a Mythology.
We take their comment like the sunnis take them
Please give reference. Will be very useful
Oh yeah, islamic sufi saints, the most reliable source of indian hindu history😂😂😂
Too many assumptions and confirmation bias,we r unable to decifer harrapa script but believe that Mahabharata happend 5000 years ago.... definitely our country deserves more logical and less of emotional approch
Look at the works of yagnadevam, he has deciphered indus script to some extent. Also, the indus script is highly linked with brahmi and is proven to be a precursor to it. Also, script is very different from language. Any script can be used to write any language, for example, cuneiform was also used to write sanskrit
Beautifully explained, Thanks a lot
Welcome Shauvik ji. ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
Don’t fall into the trap of ‘History is THIS OR THAT’ .
It is actually this AND that. Dismissing the original harivamsha is ridiculous. Its the oldest surviving account of Krishna chronicled sometime in 5th millennium BC, the most accurate period of his existence. Contemporary indology has been lazy. Trapped inside its own dogmas.
Afghans related to Mahabharata? Fool. Those days there was no Afghan or Afghanistan as we know today. Gandhara was a Kingdom (Todays Kandahar); Most Indian history happened in what we call Pakistan and surrounding areas in todays Afghanistan, Iran and Northern India. The exception to this is Magadha and South India.
any tamil here?
Shiva is worshipped all over India, so Tamilians saying Shiva was originally the diety is not incorrect at all.
Pre Mahabharat, all temples were Shiva Temples, which were consecrated Shiva lingas.
But I agree that Krishna and Mahabharat has nothing to do with Aryan theory. New excavation in UP where the warriors chariots was discovered by archaeologists have debunked the Aryan myth
Ariyans descendants of Scythians,
Why is the dating of the Puranas so difficult? The Puranas contain things that don't exist in the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavad-gita, or the Upanishads. It is obvious that the Puranas are similar to the Quran. A new religion based on the old.
Not at all difficult, it is so easy date Srimad Bhagavatam.
@Conscious_science the Srimad Bhagavatam was composed in the Middle Ages. Centuries after the last Purana, which happens to be the Vishnu Purana.
@@sirchad9443 the description of Srimad Bhagavatam come in many literature such as the literature of Buddhist, Jain and Tamil Sangam.
All are mostly 3000-3500 years old.
@Conscious_science True that there are some stories within the Bhagavatam that are old. Jainism about 1200 BCE, Buddhism 800 BCE
These are nit old compared to the Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata.
SB 4:17 Maharaja Prthu would be an older Tamil Canto withing the Bhagavatam.
I'm not your teacher; do some real research on your own and don't argue or try to debate me on this.
@@sirchad9443 of course you are not my teacher and I hope, nobody else consider you. But if any May God bless them.
Evidence
He is just a writer
Working on payment basis for Ariyans. Poor Dravidian s has to find a sponsor like Adhanjii😂
Wtf😂yes they have mentioned as like parables read again,they are not saying all are really happened at all, even though its real one they have mentioned the Aryans caste system too ,want you to know about it? And more intresting fact ,there was a story like Dravidian (kannan)beat indra(aryan god) and thats why the story got boomed those days(im not sure just story)..
You know very well it is mythology!
The actual war was between Tamil Dynasties Pandiyas Vs Kuravas that was changed to Pandavas Vs Gowravas.
Historical Imaginations by Periyar the slave of British
@@HiddenHistoryofBharat All the historical evidences are only in old Tamilnadu.
The world is only of Tamil people..u proud effin tawmils
@@mukuandvarma175 American language researcher Alex colier says that Tamil was the only language spoken across the world.
@@mukuandvarma175 where ever you see a place name with pur or oor or oore ii's/was a Tamil place.
The word ooru or pur or ஊர் or ஊரு was a Tamil place. Jaipur or Raipur or Nagpur or Cholapur in North India. Only in Tamil we call many places as ooru or oor. No other language had the word Oor or ooru.
Also, Cash is a Tamil word. In North they call Madura actually it's Madura(i). It's also a Tamil word.
The war between Kerala kuravar and Tamil pandyas is Mahabharata which is the war fought in south India and written as part of Sangam literature. The northern aryas stole the stories and planted it in north india. If you go to kerala, you'll find graves of duryodhan and his brothers.
Any reference to prove ur point
@@bsinhal8351 Listen to this guy twisting the names mentioned in Sangam literature and morphing it to krishna and balaram etc.
Also read why duryodhana is worshipped in kerala.
His sponsor wants a inclusive geo politics merging south india to Ariyan indians.for the up coming election 😂😂
Before stoopping nonsense first read Mahabharata atleast four times.
That is fine. If the culture and literature is so rich and native to South why did you ditch the Dharma and culture and adopted foreign religion
Sanskrit is the oldest language of India. Fools read epics as only as history. Greater fools reject and miss the wisdom of epics as not being completely historical.
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I’m an atheist and a skeptic. I want to disagree with everything you’re saying. But interesting.
Puri duniya m dinosaurs anaconda etc jse chize or aliens tk rhne ki chiz mil rhe h or sirf hmre Bharat m devta nikl rhe h wah re doglapan wah 😂😂
I am puzzled. You are so young and yet you are devoid of basic common sense. Starting from 1818, people have been writing science fiction. Heinlein, Ian Banks, Asimov were the most prolific writers of SF. After 3000 years people would think that what they wrote really happened. There is a book 'Harrad experiment' by Bob Rimmer, a type of SF. People thought Harrad college existed when it was published. Curiosity and imagination have played an important role in human evolution. Creative writers of all times used them. If young people become prisoners of such imaginations and lose common sense, they are as good as dead. Please wake up and forget the nonsense about 'Sanatana dharma' and think about the future and do something about it instead of dying for the past. I am 73 and have gone through all this nonsense again and again.
What a wasted life! You are 73 years old but none the wiser, clearly evident by your reference to Sanatana Dharma as "nonsense". It is one thing to have an opinion and offer that with humility. It is altogether reprehensible to project one's ignorance with such mule-headed arrogance and attitude. If you have a Hindu parentage, you are a prime example of an utterly brainwashed, wasted individual. If you are a convert, your hateful comment makes perfect sense. What are you doing anyway on Sangam Talks?
First - Mahabharat and Ramayan are called as "ITIHASA"
Second - There are only Two ITIHASA above mentioned, So there should be a reason.
Third - when i say"ITIHASA" Most people always think as "Clearly Documented History as it is"
No! Our Way of Writing History was so different.
Read the Definition of "Itihasa" In mahabharat and it'll clear all the doubts.
Fourth - There's no doubt that Mahabharat and Ramayan are Itihaas but subconsciously because of Marxist and Leftist Historians we have accepted that they are Myths.
Fifth- Completely Lie! Our Maharishi already said "Mahabharat is History of Descendants of Bharat".
Sixth - All we need, Real Historians + Very Serious and Dedicated Archaeological Survey on All The Sites of Mahabharat and Ramayan.
Seventh- Not to prove that they are history, but to Date when it happened.
Eight- Only Ignorant people don't ACCEPT THE FACT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO. 🙏🏻🕉👆
Both are copies of greek stories !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg and you literally don't know anything My brother. Fact is, You ppl are not seekers, You ppl already made a conclusion with no base, Only with hate lol.
Sanatan dharma is Greater than your entire existence. Be ignorant, Idc
@@MaitreyaLakshya Shri B B Lal, the ASI chief undertook several excavations in ramayana and maha bharatha sites ande found no evidence .
That is why I say that they are stories rather than history !
Well they found that's why he dated mahabharat lol @@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg
@@MaitreyaLakshya Who dated mahabharath and how ?
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5561 BCE, inscribe on your forehead
Unfortunate that you don't understand basics in history - inscriptions are not inscribed on human body, they're on walls, stones, pillars etc
As a Sanatani, I only apply Tilak on my forehead.
5561 BCE is a pseudo - scientific date.
@@realhistorika I agree, I believe that Mahabharata happened before 3102 BCE
Romila thapar ka kam hi h wrong bolna
Ariyan invading Dravidian still continuing in the form of culture.. sponsored talks.. RUclips channels...😂😂
The DMk thought should probe and prove Agastya Rishi, our ancetor.
Both are epic stories written on the basis of experience & to leave the world a philosophy of life for posterity. To say thy are history is propaganda aimed at cheap publicity. There was no evidence any where to prove the claim. Homer's epics were like that. Great saints wanted to something lasting to people who were most ignorant at that time. They weren't Saint Thiruvslluvar or theTN Siddars who directly told morals. They wove there thoughts Like Lord Buddha in various stories to catch the consciousness of common man . Poet Ilango Adikalar also took 3 morals & weaved an epic of outstanding nature __""Nattu thum Nam Or Pattudai Eheyyul"was his prologue to Silappathikaram. The name Bharat wasn't originated from the legendary Bharatha of Ramayanbut from a great ruler by that name which saint Valmiki might have picked up or viceversa. So let us forget personalities & think of the values thdy left behind as a tribute to the authors. Don't say that Novelist Sandleyans Yavana Rani a historical personality!!!!!
So according to you Indian writers wrote fake stories and Western writers are right
Because 2000 years ago,a historian asked the people of jerusalem about Jesus
He himself didn't see the resurrection.They said about resurrection and He believed people saw that
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Same Sam but different
Hey Anti India Tool kit, we are a living civilisation with unbroken lineage , we don’t need post mortem analysis applied to dead civilisations of the world. Our history is a heard and passed on. I don’t understand when some this is written it becomes utter truth and if some thing is passed on with generations then it becomes false. No logic utter crap.
😂GAPODI laal 😂 Hinduism is mythology don't try to prove with evidences 😂
Fifth Veda? Utter crap!
Hey Anti India toolkit
Congrats Chandru for making an effort to know the reality. But what will you say to those who shelf up the entire concept of GOD himself. You might have found justification for non evidence for Aryan invasion .
Yes, non evidence of AIT will be presented in our upcoming project. Details @ ruclips.net/video/0CTW8OHDvsc/видео.html
Sangam literatures datings are not absolute .
Even the earliest tamil text tholkappium is not dateable earlier than 2nd century C E . according to Airavatham Mahadevan.
Therefore all these must be after Ramayana and maha bharatha becoming popular !
Indo Aryans spoke chand avesta but that was modified after Alexander and Greek Gods, Abrahamic stories and Greek language are borrowed into chand avesta and become Sanskrit (modified language) But Why to Propagate Europeans are different than Indo Europeans ???
What have learnt from your epics your citizens never show any sign of learning any good from these epics. When will you become like Singapore???
Maha Bharat is Epic But not History. Religion is propagated and Literature is modified over the period. Example in Europe all are Abrahamic religion Originated in Middle East So its not true Europeans and Middle East are the One. NO they are dufferent race.And Old testimony is different than Bible Like same todays Hinduism is mixture of Buddism Jainism Saivavism Vaishnavism and Muruganism Ok it is delibrately put in one bowl by British. Which this Bhramins and Indo European language speakers accept for their convenience However they criticise Robert Caldwell for comparative grammer of southern indian languages with chand avesta ( Sanskrit)