Exactly, they want John in the final five. He has been getting way overscored and his competitors completely underscored. The commentry is so bias at the moment as if they have someone in their earpiece telling them to hype up certain surfers waves and underplay others. Shame WSL
I think its a tough heat to score because none of the waves were great and they were both struggling to lay down big turns, but yeah those two turns for the 6.9 didn't even have that much in them, a point better than Gabs 5.8? Probably. You know if watch both JJ's waves a couple of times they are very similar, except the 7 has the vert float in the middle which arguably doesn't add much, so maybe they aren't far apart.
Yes it was odd to see it but he claims all the time with the lay back stance and the flick of the hair… but really there has been no reason to claim much this year because the waves have SUCKED.
Properly scored, correct outcome. Medina received the highest score of the heat 7.83, nearly 1 point higher than JJF wave which featured a lightning fast gouge in vertical section of the wave, plus a vertical, critical finish and was flying the entire wave - SPEED. JJF last wave featured the BEST TURN OF THE HEAT and a critical, vertical finish and again tons of SPEED. Watch that first turn in slow motion. JJF was not just snapping in the lip, he's flying up to the lip (the steepest part of the wave) and obliterating it. No one in the world is doing these types of turns.
Judges are trying really hard to do in 2024 something even more spectacular than what they did at the surf ranch last year! It’s kind of a impossible mission but they are doing their best in the Australian leg
wave size is what people are not factoring in. the 6.9 went up higher because it was a bigger wave then his 7. if it was similar in size then he would have gotten a 6. critical turn on a larger size wave. I think everyone feels for medina because of his call out last time on how he got screwed.
the problem is that they will use whataver criteria they feel like, and when it comes to brazilians, they don't give scores on how big the wave is, the criteria is just bended to favor who they want!
The devil is in the details. JJ slightly ovescored, Medina slightly underscored. Repeat. A lesson on how to manipulate the heat and, ultimately, the tour.
Why do the judges always underscore John? Why are they never rewarding him for what he does instead of penalising him by imagining what he could have done. Happy to see him get through, especially in a buzzer beater. the better surfer won the heat
wave size. the 7 was not as big. The second wave was bigger and that boosted the score a bit. I think if it was equal in size they would have given him a 6.
@jimsmith1550 you joking? the 7 was double the size and didn't completely crumble half way through, such rigged judging and even commentary at this point it's mental.
@@jimsmith1550 The WSL is not serious. The wave with 3 maneuvers received the 7 points, (include that the last maneuver JJ had to run to get the wave junction), so the wave with 2 maneuvers should receive a maximum of 6.5 points. The biggest difficulty is the number of manueuvres in the functional area for surfing before the rock bench in Margareth.
Judging frontside and backside is tricky. I’m just an average surfer so it’s hard to know what backhand or frontside moves are considered equivalent. Backhand feels more repetitive to me and less interesting, but I feel backside surfing is more difficult than frontside at my level
I think they should judge it equal, cause some tourstops have left or right waves. So goofys and regulars surf booth handsides and also they are pro's they are considered to surf both sides equally good. But that said I wish Medina won this time cause he's is down in the rankings and John not.
Transparency is required in surfing judgment. How in the God's name they keep on going hiding the judges names behind a small flag on screen? Why don't they simply release their names so we can stablished a pattern in their scores and evaluate the job done. That's essencial for the sport. Without it all the fan has the right to raised up their voices against an entity that is pretty much avoiding been held accountable by their own public. And that is just a fair begining. They need been under surveillance with cameras and their audio in the booth should be recorded. The more transparency they delivered, much less fans will be complaining. And the athletes are the ones who will benefit from that the most. They are the ones affected in first. Their mental , all the struggle and even their families. We should never forget we are dealing with lives.
@@roguebossa not only last 3. You can count in 1 hand the number of days with good waves on the last 3 years of the multiple events that happened. Last event I can remember with good waves was 1 day at Narrabeen. When was there the last 10 score attributed to any surfer?
How was Pittar's one turn wave worth two points more than JJF's one turn wave? WSL, if you want us to watch, it's a bare minimum requirement that we should be able to understand the scoring. Two heats in the same round in similar conditions can't have wildly different criteria.
Puts é isso que quebra as pernas. É muito fácil manipular resultados e eles amam a última onda. Se fosse a mesma situação, o jhon na frente na bateria e o Medina tivesse pegado essa onda do jhon, seria pra no máximo 4 na percepção dos juízes. É tipo o var no futebol BR, se reclamar mais ele roubam
Vdd cara. A gente quer torcer p nosso país, mas fica complicado. Se nós já ficamos com um sentimento ruim, de algo entalado na garganta, imagina o Gabriel…
Medina: Why don’t the judges give me the score? Also Medina: backhand snap, backhand snap, backhand snap…. another backhand snap, mmm.. should I do something else? Na I’ll do a backhand snap.
I mean, people thinking its rigged doesnt really work when John has been ripped off hard this year by the judging... Its more just that the judging is shit in general.
Agree. It seems to be difficult for the surfers to know what the judges are looking for this year and the new cut line is horrible in every way. Almost impossible to get a rhythm this year unless you are Griffin 😂 he seems to be the golden boy so far. 🤙🤙
@@Christmylife78 hard to get in rhythm in subpar conditions all the time, is probably the main point. Not always easy to judge neither in such conditions, this heat a prime example, where they are both struggling to string much of anything together and there is little in it.
If you have a bias, You’re going to see what you want to see. Loose your bias and then you can see who really comes out on top in these matches. Some people will read this and think it means Gabriel was robbed, but the truth is likely the opposite. Victim mentality is a bottomless pit…
John is consistently on the receiving end of what Gabe is feeling right now. Could have gone either way, but it was a flip of a coin to who got the blunt end in this.
@Christmylife78 absolutely, I mean he buried the nose twice. Even Ronnie mentioned he was surprised he wasn't on the Ghost, will be interesting to see what he chooses I'm his next heat.
Very suspicious... all the time that the judges take a long time to announce the scores we can expect something odd is coming. It feels like they are talking to each other. I hope one day the artificial intelligence will do the job.
O 7.83 do Medina e o 7 do JJF deveriam ser invertidos, mas é verdade que a ultima onda merecia ao mais um 5.5. Mesmo assim, JJF merecia ganhar, mas que foda é esse julgamento...
@@lucianodavid1331we can all have opinions on individual scores but at the end of the heat we must ask ourselves whether we agree with the best surfer having won. In this case it’s debatable whether the scores are correct but taking all into consideration (and the waves were far from being great) I think John surfed slightly better
i like JJF but it makes no sense how that was a 6.90 one big turn and a end section turn if you give the big turn 4 points and the end section one a 2 its only a 6 so idk how 6.90 is there score. Another pint is if this was at the start of the heat it would be lucky to be a 6.50
Love the interview, John John just hang loose, so nice to see him just having fun and not taking it so damn serious, excited to see his unique trademark style in the next round 🤙
The worst thing about the tour has been that the most part of the events have happened far away from good wave conditions. This have made the judging get more weight than the waves. And the criterias used are questionable, to say the least. For me, it makes all the competition weird. I've seen some people say that Medina's 5 movements wave was overscored because there was no variety, but I remember some 10 points rides and a lot of excellent scores on previous events, specially at Margaret River, where there was a lot o repetition of the same movements. The reason was that, despite variation of movements wasn't nice, sometimes the best thing you can do on a wave is to repeat the most difficult movement, attacking the critical part of the wave with the biggest pressure u can apply. For me that was the thing.. JJ wave had 1 good movement. The second one was a finishing at the foam junction. Didn't seem anything special. But, again, no wave was a good material and those waves really didn't deserve a score over 6. None of them, from both Medina's and JJ. It's has been more a show of weird scoring than a surfing show recently...
I don't know what's happening. Maybe the WSL should reconsider the calendar, but I would like to see the competition on better conditions. The last 2 years were like shi*!
Waves sucked. It was close so either surfer could have won. It’s tragic seeing the 2 best surfers go head to head in QS waves. Hope Cloudbreak is pumping
Mais uma garfada pro currículo da WSL!!! Não se vence no talento, o tapetão funciona. É porque deve estar chato ver brasileiros ganhando tudo nos últimos anos...
Medina tbm pegou uma onda boa e não terminou pra marcar o jhon e ele sempre se lasca. Tivesse terminado a onda poderia aumentado a nota. Fica pra próxima Medina e é melhor pegar várias ondas e terminar pq sempre na última onda pode ser até pequena eles vão dar nota 11 para todos adversários
I don’t think judges have an easy job, look at that heat of last 16 between Tatiana and Tyler. Where Tati is being more consistent throughout the heat and then Tyler comes with an incredible performance that changed the whole thing. Well done to the Judges 👍🏽
Alguém tem alguma dúvida se fosse o Medina precisando da virada os juízes não daria pra ele? O critério de avaliação das ondas foi ridículo, como pode a última onda do JJF ser avaliada quase igual a melhor dele ! Gabriel Medina nas próximas etapas deveria sentar na prancha e não surfar nenhuma onda, já passou do corte mesmo, só levar a sério Teahupo como treino para Paris 2024. DESLIKE, WSL LIGA DE AMADORES, A ONDA DE ÓDIO DELES CONTRA IS BRASILEIROS FUNCIONA ATÉ EM DAY OFF !
It’s like judging art at this level, and a blink can make the difference, the debate is just part of the show, which likely evens out over time 🤙🏽😎🖤 nobody going hungry here 🍔 🥩 🌮 🌽 🥔
Comparing the 7.0 JJF wave and the 7.83 Medina wave, that JJF two maneuvers wave could NEVER be a 6.9! Judges don't follow their own logic. The first waves should be more than 8 or that last wave should be less than 6.
I will no longer watch the events, there is something very strange behind the scenes at the WSL, why is the error always with the same athlete? How does Medina accept this? I can't do it anymore... they already take some titles away from him due to errors in judgment
Wsl can do whatever they want in close heats. Choose winners. Idk why this is rocket science judges need to be in independent cubicles and isolated 100%. They should not be able to confer with other judges. Until they do that I assume it’s all a scam
Honestamente desde que o Medina foi campeão em 2021 ele já não tem o mesmo foco, lembro muitíssimo bem nunca deixava de perder com o prioridade, agora ele fica meio disperso, não possui a mesma intensidade e ímpeto de ganhar .
@@adrianomorastoni-uv9qo Então acho que essas garfadas ajudou e muito, vai desanimando o atleta, se continuar nessa situação não vejo ele por muito mais tempo no tour.
Judges make it clear that they do not want Brazilians competing for this year's title. Kelly showed his superiority several years in a row and nothing happened.
A questão é perguntar por que Medina sempre leva a virada, seja de surfista estreante no CT ou surfista experiente. O Medina é hoje o surfista que mais leva a virada em última onda. Domina a bateria, mas no final os adversários sempre conseguem a onda milagrosa... Enfim, Medina campeão mundial de tomar virada da WSL.
@@ComedyByAlan on the other hand, this is the second event Medina has make a huge mistake. John had sell him the last wave only to take the better second wave. Cole was under priority. They have a point for sure, but this role of victims and constantly crying sucks.
@@fvm2610 Se John pegasse a primeira onda ia virar do mesmo jeito. Esse CT é todo bagunçado. Eu não entendo esse corte, não entendo por que nessas primeiras etapas que determinam o corte predominam as ondas de direita. Por que não existe um equilíbrio? Do jeito que está, dá vantagem aos surfistas regulares. Enfim, o que é mais fácil, surfar de front side ou de back side?
The judging was all over the place, as per usual. Watching it live, I thought Medina should have won (and I'm from Hawaii and love John). Watching it back, John did look good and his waves were a little bigger. By how WSL normally judges, it should have been Medina 100%, but I actually think John deserved that win, by a hair.
Clearly, it is important that this year the world title goes to another flag. They are afraid, they don't want Medina in Trestles in the top 5, and slowly, the doubtful results will continue until they take him out of the game. And the head judge is from Brazil, oh WSL, how smart you are, it's the perfect plan!
Instead of crying shame, try to look at the heat as a whole instead of singling out a score. I saw Medina doing the same snap multiple times on medium waves, and John surfing faster on bigger waves doing more critical turns. But that’s just me🤷🏻♂️
Yep. Medina's only got a couple of moves in his arsenal really. Funny how more people don't see this. Oh, and his wave awareness and selection is relatively... crap.
Wow. Two great rivals, very stressful, it was amazing to see John pull off that last wave. The unfixable thing about these contests is, its such a shame to see such skilled big wave athletes to have to compete under the worst wave conditions. Wish events are not planned out but called on where there are the best waves predicted a week before the contest
I'm Brazilian, and I thought it was fair. On Jon Jon's last wave, the size of the wave and the two maneuvers he performed, layback and ripping the fins, were plastic and very stylish... I thought 7 and 6.90 was fair. But of course Medina is the best surfer of all time ...
@@roguebossa Yes, Jon Jon made a lot of mistakes, but you only have to judge the two best waves ... Yes, I'm also using a translator, I only understand Portuguese ... I live near Imbituba - Brazil, where there have been wsl stages ... greetings Hawaiian friend ;;;
Florence finally figuring out that claims add points! Been working well for the Brasillians jajajajaja kkkkkk I thought TWright popped a boob on her big claim 💥🎯👀
Bateria equilibrada. Nem JJF nem GM fizeram estrago. E, qto à nota alta da última onda do JJF, estranhei pq o Griffin Colapinto, em bateria posterior, acabou de pegar uma onda maior, na qual linkou as manobras com fluidez, velocidade e power, mas recebeu só 6,67. Juízes estão meio doidos, sei lá!
JJ won it. The tragedy is Houschmund was given the win over Gabe for doing the backside hacks he was doing today. Gabe must feel confused at the moment.
I think this one was relatively fair. John's 6.9 was definitely better than Medina's 5.83, it was bigger and the turns were better. I think John's 6.9 was close to his 7 cuz his second turn was better, he kicked his tail higher and disengaged his fins and the 3rd turn on his 7 was basic. Medina was fairly scored on his 7.8, lots of turns but not a big wave
Wsl parece querer que o Medina pare de surfar, roubaram de novo na pontuação, e o mais duro é ter que ver o Edinho e o Renan não poderem falar nada sobre isso
Honestly, if John's first wave was a 7, then the second could have never been a 6.9. Judging seems almost random at this point
Quanto ele precisa pra eliminar o Medina? Receba!
Both of John’s waves were spicier than Gabe’s 7.83. Gabe’s snaps were smooth and powerful but all lacked critical factor.
Exactly, they want John in the final five. He has been getting way overscored and his competitors completely underscored.
The commentry is so bias at the moment as if they have someone in their earpiece telling them to hype up certain surfers waves and underplay others.
Shame WSL
I agree. I'm not a fan of Gabriel but this heat is pretty bias. they were hyping up John a ton and giving him wayy more screen time. Kinda weird ngl
Was my first thought too, but the slow motion showes the quality of the turns. End section 12 o clock. First wave of John was underscored!
John's 7 was way better than his 6,90 on the last wave or am I tripping?
Exactly right
Perfect
That 7 Should have been a 7.5 if compared to medinas high score
Yes
I think its a tough heat to score because none of the waves were great and they were both struggling to lay down big turns, but yeah those two turns for the 6.9 didn't even have that much in them, a point better than Gabs 5.8? Probably. You know if watch both JJ's waves a couple of times they are very similar, except the 7 has the vert float in the middle which arguably doesn't add much, so maybe they aren't far apart.
Third event in a row where Medina has been shafted by the judges.
That’s crazy
Can we still believe on this ?
It is hard, being a loser. Isn't it.
tell me you. It's so hard to lose Brazilian boys every year@@bartdeking
Madina has a boring backhand.off the top off the top off the top.he gets over scored for that repetitive garbage
first time john has claimed in 7 years
I think he was just stoked he got a wave to have a chance at getting the score.
Yes it was odd to see it but he claims all the time with the lay back stance and the flick of the hair… but really there has been no reason to claim much this year because the waves have SUCKED.
Yes！Probably since alley-oop at the Bells in 2017.
Antes nem precisava, ganhou dois títulos mundiais sem pedir nota, agora tem outros disputando com ele o posto de queridão da wsl! 😂😂😂🍴🤮
waves sucked
Properly scored, correct outcome. Medina received the highest score of the heat 7.83, nearly 1 point higher than JJF wave which featured a lightning fast gouge in vertical section of the wave, plus a vertical, critical finish and was flying the entire wave - SPEED. JJF last wave featured the BEST TURN OF THE HEAT and a critical, vertical finish and again tons of SPEED. Watch that first turn in slow motion. JJF was not just snapping in the lip, he's flying up to the lip (the steepest part of the wave) and obliterating it. No one in the world is doing these types of turns.
It was Gabriel that was lightning fast rather than John. You are hallucinating.
You are probably one of the judges
Não precisa nem comparar as ondas do JJ com a do Medina, é só comparar o 7 com o 6,90. Não tem como essas ondas terem a diferença de 0,10!
When a later and more critical turn is committed, and brought back from 2-3 o’clock?!?! JJ clearly won.
A primeira onda do JJF devia ter sido mais alta. Mas na última ele não bate tanto a prancha e a ultima manobra não parece, mas é bastante critica
@@joaosousa7038he brought his snaps/turns back to 2-3 o’clock which is more critical. Especially in later more critical sections.
@@tapeworm6093that’s what he’s saying.
3 juízes deram como a melhor onda do John! Eu vi juízes dando 7,20! Ridículo!
Judges are trying really hard to do in 2024 something even more spectacular than what they did at the surf ranch last year! It’s kind of a impossible mission but they are doing their best in the Australian leg
Yep...I stopped watching after Surf Ranch, then just picked up again....and same shit. How can this League survive this??
Blah blah blah blah nobody cares
Honestly neither surfed a great heat but the waves weren’t great either.
When the waves are shitty the judging gets more 'creative'
@@roguebossa 😂 fax
wave size is what people are not factoring in. the 6.9 went up higher because it was a bigger wave then his 7. if it was similar in size then he would have gotten a 6. critical turn on a larger size wave. I think everyone feels for medina because of his call out last time on how he got screwed.
Que pena cara o roubo é nítido.
The end section was smaller
Easily comparable to gabes first wave which was definitely better, 2 hits both vertical hits
And with Cole in Bells, the size of waves was completely ingnored.
the problem is that they will use whataver criteria they feel like, and when it comes to brazilians, they don't give scores on how big the wave is, the criteria is just bended to favor who they want!
The devil is in the details. JJ slightly ovescored, Medina slightly underscored. Repeat. A lesson on how to manipulate the heat and, ultimately, the tour.
100% . shame wsl
Why do the judges always underscore John? Why are they never rewarding him for what he does instead of penalising him by imagining what he could have done. Happy to see him get through, especially in a buzzer beater. the better surfer won the heat
Man, wtf !
Bro i agree they robbed medina so hard 😤
No surfers here. If you were you’d get it
John’s 6.9 was a little bit overscored but his 7 should’ve been at least half a point higher
If you wanna know why is rigged, just compare Jonh's 7.00 3:07 with his last wave 6.90 6:09, it's a shame to the sport!
wave size. the 7 was not as big. The second wave was bigger and that boosted the score a bit. I think if it was equal in size they would have given him a 6.
@jimsmith1550 you joking? the 7 was double the size and didn't completely crumble half way through, such rigged judging and even commentary at this point it's mental.
Wave was bigger
7 was under scored as usual with John , 6.9 was on point
@@jimsmith1550 The WSL is not serious. The wave with 3 maneuvers received the 7 points, (include that the last maneuver JJ had to run to get the wave junction), so the wave with 2 maneuvers should receive a maximum of 6.5 points. The biggest difficulty is the number of manueuvres in the functional area for surfing before the rock bench in Margareth.
Judging frontside and backside is tricky. I’m just an average surfer so it’s hard to know what backhand or frontside moves are considered equivalent. Backhand feels more repetitive to me and less interesting, but I feel backside surfing is more difficult than frontside at my level
I think they should judge it equal, cause some tourstops have left or right waves. So goofys and regulars surf booth handsides and also they are pro's they are considered to surf both sides equally good. But that said I wish Medina won this time cause he's is down in the rankings and John not.
Transparency is required in surfing judgment. How in the God's name they keep on going hiding the judges names behind a small flag on screen? Why don't they simply release their names so we can stablished a pattern in their scores and evaluate the job done. That's essencial for the sport. Without it all the fan has the right to raised up their voices against an entity that is pretty much avoiding been held accountable by their own public. And that is just a fair begining. They need been under surveillance with cameras and their audio in the booth should be recorded. The more transparency they delivered, much less fans will be complaining. And the athletes are the ones who will benefit from that the most. They are the ones affected in first. Their mental , all the struggle and even their families. We should never forget we are dealing with lives.
The surfers can watch video of the judging for reach wave during every heat. Try to keep up.
Johns 7 was much better than Medinas 7. And the judges only gave him a 7 🤦🏻♂️
This👏🏻
three judges gave Medina an 8.0. Four lightening fast turns. Such a wave couldn't be surfed better.
If you guys think this was bad, should have watched it on the broadcast. Was just two guys sitting there for 35 min. No waves coming through.
Waves have sucked in 3 consecutive events.
WSL is being cursed by the sea gods because they are pushing some athletes. its just ugly, even with the woman's this is happening a lot...
@@roguebossa not only last 3. You can count in 1 hand the number of days with good waves on the last 3 years of the multiple events that happened. Last event I can remember with good waves was 1 day at Narrabeen. When was there the last 10 score attributed to any surfer?
How was Pittar's one turn wave worth two points more than JJF's one turn wave? WSL, if you want us to watch, it's a bare minimum requirement that we should be able to understand the scoring. Two heats in the same round in similar conditions can't have wildly different criteria.
Assisto isso de teimoso .
Pensei a mesma coisa no momento.
WSL x Brasil
Puts é isso que quebra as pernas. É muito fácil manipular resultados e eles amam a última onda. Se fosse a mesma situação, o jhon na frente na bateria e o Medina tivesse pegado essa onda do jhon, seria pra no máximo 4 na percepção dos juízes. É tipo o var no futebol BR, se reclamar mais ele roubam
Vdd cara. A gente quer torcer p nosso país, mas fica complicado. Se nós já ficamos com um sentimento ruim, de algo entalado na garganta, imagina o Gabriel…
Medina: Why don’t the judges give me the score?
Also Medina: backhand snap, backhand snap, backhand snap…. another backhand snap, mmm.. should I do something else? Na I’ll do a backhand snap.
JJ: Why would I do six vertical turns when I can just do two and get the same score.
air, floater, air,air,air,air so boring and no style
Num fode mermão!@@delmedeiros3570
Backhand snap to fakie sht stance might have gotten him another point 😳😂
I mean, people thinking its rigged doesnt really work when John has been ripped off hard this year by the judging... Its more just that the judging is shit in general.
Yup
Surfing is pretty hard to judge, it's a subjective thing.
Agree. It seems to be difficult for the surfers to know what the judges are looking for this year and the new cut line is horrible in every way. Almost impossible to get a rhythm this year unless you are Griffin 😂 he seems to be the golden boy so far. 🤙🤙
@@Christmylife78 hard to get in rhythm in subpar conditions all the time, is probably the main point. Not always easy to judge neither in such conditions, this heat a prime example, where they are both struggling to string much of anything together and there is little in it.
How often are guys like Griff underscored? They definitely have favorites, especially Cole this year
If you have a bias, You’re going to see what you want to see. Loose your bias and then you can see who really comes out on top in these matches. Some people will read this and think it means Gabriel was robbed, but the truth is likely the opposite. Victim mentality is a bottomless pit…
It seems JJ was rightfully the winner. But that doesn’t support a victim’s perspective..
Why is the judges robbing medina always
John is consistently on the receiving end of what Gabe is feeling right now. Could have gone either way, but it was a flip of a coin to who got the blunt end in this.
Exactly, you win some you lose some. Hopefully it balances out. John shoulda rode his Ghost.
@@Bryan-jd7osmaybe it’s me but his board choice seemed off a little, but he was ripping. They both were… exciting heat. 🤙🤙😭
@Christmylife78 absolutely, I mean he buried the nose twice. Even Ronnie mentioned he was surprised he wasn't on the Ghost, will be interesting to see what he chooses I'm his next heat.
@@Bryan-jd7os they were talking about testing new fins…
@@Christmylife78 why did they stop running heats?
I can’t watch wsl anymore 😂
Then don’t
I agree. The waves are always just sub par for pro surfers. No progression, consequence, no excitement.
😢
It’s free lol no worries 😂
Very suspicious... all the time that the judges take a long time to announce the scores we can expect something odd is coming. It feels like they are talking to each other. I hope one day the artificial intelligence will do the job.
It will do yours for sure
Hahahah
I would say for the whole score, but AI could definitely replace the head judge as of saying the "range" that a wave could fit in.
Não acredito que garfaram o medina mais uma vez! John John não merecia com aquela onda.
😢😢😢😢😢
Womp womp
O 7.83 do Medina e o 7 do JJF deveriam ser invertidos, mas é verdade que a ultima onda merecia ao mais um 5.5.
Mesmo assim, JJF merecia ganhar, mas que foda é esse julgamento...
@@lucianodavid1331we can all have opinions on individual scores but at the end of the heat we must ask ourselves whether we agree with the best surfer having won. In this case it’s debatable whether the scores are correct but taking all into consideration (and the waves were far from being great) I think John surfed slightly better
Até quando?
Wsl is fucked absolutely. The cut the drama you guys buttering your own bread karma will come
i like JJF but it makes no sense how that was a 6.90
one big turn and a end section turn if you give the big turn 4 points and the end section one a 2 its only a 6 so idk how 6.90 is there score.
Another pint is if this was at the start of the heat it would be lucky to be a 6.50
John always a class act.
Love the interview, John John just hang loose, so nice to see him just having fun and not taking it so damn serious, excited to see his unique trademark style in the next round 🤙
I’m a fan of both but man, that heat Gabe won.
I'm a Hawaii boy and love John but Gabriel made no mistakes, so there's that.
Judging obviously isn't that hard when the keyboard warriors can see the discrepancies.
Poor medina got dogged 2 events in a row.
The worst thing about the tour has been that the most part of the events have happened far away from good wave conditions. This have made the judging get more weight than the waves. And the criterias used are questionable, to say the least.
For me, it makes all the competition weird.
I've seen some people say that Medina's 5 movements wave was overscored because there was no variety, but I remember some 10 points rides and a lot of excellent scores on previous events, specially at Margaret River, where there was a lot o repetition of the same movements. The reason was that, despite variation of movements wasn't nice, sometimes the best thing you can do on a wave is to repeat the most difficult movement, attacking the critical part of the wave with the biggest pressure u can apply. For me that was the thing.. JJ wave had 1 good movement. The second one was a finishing at the foam junction. Didn't seem anything special. But, again, no wave was a good material and those waves really didn't deserve a score over 6. None of them, from both Medina's and JJ.
It's has been more a show of weird scoring than a surfing show recently...
I don't know what's happening. Maybe the WSL should reconsider the calendar, but I would like to see the competition on better conditions. The last 2 years were like shi*!
Waves sucked. It was close so either surfer could have won. It’s tragic seeing the 2 best surfers go head to head in QS waves. Hope Cloudbreak is pumping
Yeah, frustrating to watch!! 2-3 turns if they're lucky and then done.
John John claiming is a rare thing
Roubaram o Medina de novo, não surfistas brasileiros campeões novamente.
Mais uma garfada pro currículo da WSL!!! Não se vence no talento, o tapetão funciona. É porque deve estar chato ver brasileiros ganhando tudo nos últimos anos...
Medina won that heat.
you a judge?
are u a judge?
@@austinbinegar8315 Have you ever stepped on a board in your life?
@@Carlosmm53 hmm maybe on occasion😅
Looking at John's last wave a couple times, it was worth the score. Could have gone either way
Por que ainda estou assistindo essa palhaçada. Chega
Medina tbm pegou uma onda boa e não terminou pra marcar o jhon e ele sempre se lasca. Tivesse terminado a onda poderia aumentado a nota. Fica pra próxima Medina e é melhor pegar várias ondas e terminar pq sempre na última onda pode ser até pequena eles vão dar nota 11 para todos adversários
I don’t think judges have an easy job, look at that heat of last 16 between Tatiana and Tyler. Where Tati is being more consistent throughout the heat and then Tyler comes with an incredible performance that changed the whole thing. Well done to the Judges 👍🏽
6.90 😂 se o John John comemora os juízes abrem as pernas.
average Brazil fan
@@Dolphinsforlife1 and you are alienated if you don't understand bias
Esse foi o código entre eles
Alguém tem alguma dúvida se fosse o Medina precisando da virada os juízes não daria pra ele? O critério de avaliação das ondas foi ridículo, como pode a última onda do JJF ser avaliada quase igual a melhor dele ! Gabriel Medina nas próximas etapas deveria sentar na prancha e não surfar nenhuma onda, já passou do corte mesmo, só levar a sério Teahupo como treino para Paris 2024.
DESLIKE, WSL LIGA DE AMADORES, A ONDA DE ÓDIO DELES CONTRA IS BRASILEIROS FUNCIONA ATÉ EM DAY OFF !
Avarage Brazil fan😂
@@Dolphinsforlife1
Nos vemos em Saquarema bicho grilo.
@@clebercintra3769 yep just proved my point.
É só não assistir mais o surf e não dar Ibope.
JJFs first wave seems around 9 point.
C'mon! 9? There wasn't any excellent wave from bpth surfers. Shitty conditions..
It’s like judging art at this level, and a blink can make the difference, the debate is just part of the show, which likely evens out over time 🤙🏽😎🖤 nobody going hungry here 🍔 🥩 🌮 🌽 🥔
I love all the Florence brothers They are so nice and talented.
Comparing the 7.0 JJF wave and the 7.83 Medina wave, that JJF two maneuvers wave could NEVER be a 6.9! Judges don't follow their own logic. The first waves should be more than 8 or that last wave should be less than 6.
I will no longer watch the events, there is something very strange behind the scenes at the WSL, why is the error always with the same athlete? How does Medina accept this? I can't do it anymore... they already take some titles away from him due to errors in judgment
Medina won. I'm from the USA but Medina should have won truth.
Seems to me that claiming your wave will pump your Scores and get you trough heats 🤷🏻♂️
I could see Gabriel taking a break from professional surfing after being dogged this season
it wasn't just this one.
Wsl can do whatever they want in close heats. Choose winners. Idk why this is rocket science judges need to be in independent cubicles and isolated 100%. They should not be able to confer with other judges. Until they do that I assume it’s all a scam
Honestamente desde que o Medina foi campeão em 2021 ele já não tem o mesmo foco, lembro muitíssimo bem nunca deixava de perder com o prioridade, agora ele fica meio disperso, não possui a mesma intensidade e ímpeto de ganhar .
Imagina se tivesse. Ele vem sendo roubado a anos, por isso nao tem uns 6 titulos ao menos.
@@adrianomorastoni-uv9qo Então acho que essas garfadas ajudou e muito, vai desanimando o atleta, se continuar nessa situação não vejo ele por muito mais tempo no tour.
Tem que rolar um protesto em Saquarema no Brasil.
Good. Circle the toilet bowl!
NINGUEM TEM CORAGEM, NEM SURFISTAS E NEM A GALERA, BRASILEIRO É CONHECIDO PELO COMODISMO!!!! agora se forem fazer o protesto e parar geral, ME CHAMEM
Seria uma ótima atitude
Judges make it clear that they do not want Brazilians competing for this year's title. Kelly showed his superiority several years in a row and nothing happened.
Watching the Brazilians cry here is the most entertaining part
A questão é perguntar por que Medina sempre leva a virada, seja de surfista estreante no CT ou surfista experiente. O Medina é hoje o surfista que mais leva a virada em última onda. Domina a bateria, mas no final os adversários sempre conseguem a onda milagrosa... Enfim, Medina campeão mundial de tomar virada da WSL.
Second event in a row where Medina got screwed and this is coming from a huge JJ fan. People complaining have a point
@@ComedyByAlan on the other hand, this is the second event Medina has make a huge mistake. John had sell him the last wave only to take the better second wave. Cole was under priority.
They have a point for sure, but this role of victims and constantly crying sucks.
O que a wsl está fazendo não é divertido. É triste para o esporte.
@@fvm2610 Se John pegasse a primeira onda ia virar do mesmo jeito. Esse CT é todo bagunçado. Eu não entendo esse corte, não entendo por que nessas primeiras etapas que determinam o corte predominam as ondas de direita. Por que não existe um equilíbrio? Do jeito que está, dá vantagem aos surfistas regulares. Enfim, o que é mais fácil, surfar de front side ou de back side?
The judging was all over the place, as per usual. Watching it live, I thought Medina should have won (and I'm from Hawaii and love John). Watching it back, John did look good and his waves were a little bigger. By how WSL normally judges, it should have been Medina 100%, but I actually think John deserved that win, by a hair.
Medina won for sure!
PORRA!! 💪💪💪💪🇺🇸 🇺🇲 🇺🇸 🇺🇲
I think the fact that one judge gave a 7.2 on JJF's last wave and a 7 on his best wave is proof that something is very wrong with the judging.
Two judges went slightly higher. Points for the claim
So nice to listen jj speaking how gabe act on a heat..amazing..these things we all know, but coming ditectly from jj is great! Made me laught a lot
Vamo pra cima em Saquarema
Great scoring!
Shame> Again. JJ's last wave was a 6.00.
i agree.
You win some, you lose some. Im a Florence fan but i think Medina won that heat. John should have ridden his Ghost. It is what it is.
That was one turn!!! Boom! 6,90!… They gone retired Medina that way!!
His turns were more late and critical, bringing those snaps/carves back from 2-3 o’clock is insane. Gabby only got to 6 o’clock
Clearly, it is important that this year the world title goes to another flag. They are afraid, they don't want Medina in Trestles in the top 5, and slowly, the doubtful results will continue until they take him out of the game. And the head judge is from Brazil, oh WSL, how smart you are, it's the perfect plan!
WSL,uma vergonha, metendo a mão na cara dura.
on average, how much is claim worth? seems to get people through heats
First time in a long time Margies hasn’t delivered waves. Feels wrong to watch these guys grovel out there.
What a stunning opening shot. 🤩
Medina won all day. His first combo on the 7.83 was insane, the first turn was too good of backhand snap.
6,90 em uma rasgada praticamente. Tá osso!
Medina would be screaming at the end of that one .24 loss😆😆😆
I was going for John John but that last wave was not a 6.9... hate to say it as I don't really like Medina but Medina got robbed
i agree
Acho que se a última onda do John valeu 6.9, então a outra que ele completou deveria ser uns 8.5, emfim, não entendi nada...
Instead of crying shame, try to look at the heat as a whole instead of singling out a score. I saw Medina doing the same snap multiple times on medium waves, and John surfing faster on bigger waves doing more critical turns. But that’s just me🤷🏻♂️
Yep. Medina's only got a couple of moves in his arsenal really. Funny how more people don't see this. Oh, and his wave awareness and selection is relatively... crap.
Wow. Two great rivals, very stressful, it was amazing to see John pull off that last wave. The unfixable thing about these contests is, its such a shame to see such skilled big wave athletes to have to compete under the worst wave conditions. Wish events are not planned out but called on where there are the best waves predicted a week before the contest
I'm Brazilian, and I thought it was fair. On Jon Jon's last wave, the size of the wave and the two maneuvers he performed, layback and ripping the fins, were plastic and very stylish... I thought 7 and 6.90 was fair.
But of course Medina is the best surfer of all time ...
Sou um garoto do Havaí e adoro o John, mas o Gabriel surfou sem erros. Quando as ondas são ruins, o julgamento fica muito subjetivo.
@@roguebossa Yes, Jon Jon made a lot of mistakes, but you only have to judge the two best waves ...
Yes, I'm also using a translator, I only understand Portuguese ...
I live near Imbituba - Brazil, where there have been wsl stages ... greetings Hawaiian friend ;;;
Hah. Yeah. Medina the goat. Ugh.
Contests hardly do any justice to John and in some ways don't fit his style best.
Olha a onda que o pupo surfou na bateria seguinte e tirou um 4.50 e5.50, verás q essa onda do jj não valeu um 5!
WSL , ta ficando feio já... simplesmente roubaram mais uma vez. Ta uma vergonha esse julgamento.
Gabe won this - johns last wave was a 5.8. If it was a 6.9 then gabes long one was a 10.
Florence finally figuring out that claims add points! Been working well for the Brasillians jajajajaja kkkkkk
I thought TWright popped a boob on her big claim 💥🎯👀
not only the waves are horrible, but judging criteria has been so off lately that it’s getting hard to keep watching.
I’m a JJF fan but I think Medina won this heat
Yeah it's hard, because I've seen John get ripped off so many times, but Gabe surfed clean and didn't make any real mistakes.
Bateria equilibrada. Nem JJF nem GM fizeram estrago. E, qto à nota alta da última onda do JJF, estranhei pq o Griffin Colapinto, em bateria posterior, acabou de pegar uma onda maior, na qual linkou as manobras com fluidez, velocidade e power, mas recebeu só 6,67. Juízes estão meio doidos, sei lá!
Love to hear the braz rage! 😘🥰
SHAAAAAAME WSL!
John John duas manobras e nota 6.90, juízes da WSL vão tomar no meio daquele lugar.
JJ won it. The tragedy is Houschmund was given the win over Gabe for doing the backside hacks he was doing today. Gabe must feel confused at the moment.
I think this one was relatively fair. John's 6.9 was definitely better than Medina's 5.83, it was bigger and the turns were better. I think John's 6.9 was close to his 7 cuz his second turn was better, he kicked his tail higher and disengaged his fins and the 3rd turn on his 7 was basic. Medina was fairly scored on his 7.8, lots of turns but not a big wave
Coitado do medina e roubado de todo jeito 😮😮😮
Such a shame on the conditions
Wsl parece querer que o Medina pare de surfar, roubaram de novo na pontuação, e o mais duro é ter que ver o Edinho e o Renan não poderem falar nada sobre isso
Os 2 de boca amarrada pra poder ganhar o cachê
🤡
Tá de de sacanagem wsl!
Sem comparação essas ondas
Go Jon Jon!!
John’s last wave was a 5. That’s funny.
If that.
Here we go again 😅
Great interview questions!!! Ones that get to the point. This guy needs a fulltime job