I am glad you made this video, I am tired of people trashing 8 bit video on reddit and RUclips and basically on all the forums and etc. this proves you can do a good job grading 8 bit and that having 10 bit isnt always just better.
After using and grading both 10bit videos, I was surprised how well 8bit videos handle color adjustments. 8bit shows its limitations when using the chroma key, but bad color management or h264 codec are the real problem rather than the color depth itself. Transcoding makes things better. When grading the whole screen and not masking or keying(like only applying luts), I would gladly use 8bit footage.
Watched this because i'm unsure if I need to upgrade to 10-bit (ZV-E1 or R8) but its the first time iv'e actually been able to follow and understand all those tools! thank you so much., really good video! I still might upgrade though... because who doesn't want a new camera?
Nice one and great look you got there in the end. I would love to see more of that, editing 8-Bit footage in different styles (Different movie styles, commercial styles,...). Keep it up and thank you for the content 🤙
I appreciate this content like this 🙌🏽 I have both an A7iii and A7iv, but I find myself using the A7iii simply for ease of use and less strain on my computer. 8-bit is totally usable for color grading! it just takes some finessing to get it right 🙏🏽
@@graphikeye We used to use proxies and generated optimised media in the past but now working on the M1 max chip macs we've found we don't have to unless we're doing a lot of denoising/adding lots of grain
I had to use my GH4 alongside my GH6 on a recent project and the difference between them was way huge. But this video helped me balance them both. Thank you for this! Liked. Shared. Subscribed.
Man. I have to say ,I’m doing your workflow now since this weekend and I’m finally getting the results I want to get ! Before I used to CST my footage and grade the footage. But I never got the result I wanted and I felt like I have no control. Now I know exactly what’s happening and I love it. That you very very much ❤
@@meliorstudios before I always did the CST node at the end and worked from the front. But somehow I could never get my results I wanted. Now I put Rec 709 everywhere on CST and work how I feel like. And boom! Probably not efficient that way but at least I can create what I have in mind :) Thanks again
You doing great job man , this is what many people want to know about 8 bit footage , i am seing many great videos sony 8 bit , but not many people sharing to much knowledges to get smooth and quality color grading.Keep going these videos man , i am sure there will be many viewer here who wanna improve , subbed and waiting more videos 🙏🏽👌🏽
Hey man, the final grade looks cool, but what's the idea behind not using CSTs? I don't see any advantages in working within the compressed space of rec.709. Wouldn't it be better to transform it into DaVinci Intermediate/WG at the beginning and then convert it to rec.709 at the end of the node tree? If there is an actual reason behind not using them, I would love to hear it.
You're basically grading an example that doesn't have 8-bit problems. Try to colorgrade an 8-bit gradient sky using your chosen Rec709 color space and you will run into problems that you claim to have solved.
Anyone can grade clips from higher end cameras like Reds, Arris, etc because there's just so much to work with...but this, what you did here, is the real stuff if genius! I'm almost turned off when I see people grading footage that's shot really well, and from great gear. If I'm someone who's invested in that kind of gear and budget, you can bet I kinda know what I'm doing with it. No beginner (a smart one) is starting with an Arri. So the actual interesting tutorials are ones like this where you can take difficult challenges like 8bit footage, or a poorly shot footage and use techniques to salvage/ correct footage. You can learn more with that kind of practice. Like training with ankle weights.
regards to colour magament - i am working on windows - what should I use as timeline colour space and output colour space? I shot in 8bit SOny HLG3, Rec 709. Thank you!!
Hi, awesome video. I saw some other colorists were noting to add a in CST at the first node and an out one towards the end of the tree. I am shooting with slog 2 a7iii, did you choose to not do this for a reason? Also any reason why you did not choose Davinci WG/Intermediate for the Timeline color space?
Which picture profile did you use in this A7C footage? Great work man, im your fan and love how you explain colorgrading for lower budget cameras and bit rates = ) s2
Thanks for this video, it's really helpful! I was trying to apply it to my own footage but I ran into a problem when selecting the skintone. My clip has a person in it and wall of stone. The stone colour matches the skintone of my subject when I select it with the qualifier. I tried to change the luminance but then I loose all the skintone. What should I do? Would you recommend working with masks? Thanks!
I can't find the wand tool in 18.6.4! It isn't showing up above the preview window like it is in your example. On your screen I see 3 icons below and left of Timeline1 and one of the icon is the wand tool. Mine is missing. How do I get it back?
Ah yes in the newest Davinci it’s on the top left as a rectangle with a semi circle inside (it’s called highlight) you can also just press Shift+H to activate it
Quick question - how come you didn't bother using a CST node given that you were grading 8-bit footage? Can I use a similar node structure to yours and apply a CST node right at the beginning to similar effect? Thanks!
The reason we didn’t use CST because when converting straight from Slog2 to rec.709, the image begins to break up and skin gets muddy. as we’re working with 8 bit footage and sometimes not perfectly exposed clips, that can be a problem and then you’ll spend more time trying to fix that initial balance than grading the actually clip, therefore, we just balance the image manually to begin with and we’re able to place the image in a good place for color separation which we do afterwards, I.e. the blacks are not crushed and there’s good separation in the skin, the video is not overly saturated and the white balance is not right. Can just get a little messy. Sorry for the long winded message but that’s the reason why. But we do use CST when converting to something like Arri log then applying a print film look afterwards
Man i Love everything you do!!! I have a question to ask, are you still using the same settings on the A7iii? s-log2 and HLG3 from the video you have posted last year? are there any updates or tweeks?
Thanks a lot Casper!! And yes using the same profile settings we mentioned in our best picture profiles on the Sony A7iii ( this video: ruclips.net/video/5n1rm_46fkg/видео.html )
@@meliorstudios THANK YOU FOR THE QUICK REPLY! im acully going thur your whole channel and learning alot thanks to you guys!!! how many followers u need till you reach 8000?
@@meliorstudios does the upscaling work only in the paid version or is it also working in the free version when I export 4k video with 1080p clips in it? Thanks
The reason we’re using Rec-709a is simply because we’re using a Mac and so to get a matched export from the color grade you did in Davinci, you use rec709a. Most other inputs we used produce a different look after export, I.e. contrast and saturation levels change after exporting
Hey , i am watching your videos again and again, i just realized that for 8 bit footage ”Quazi” once said we should be so carefull about contrast so ( i experienced it is really destroying footage very easy) , so do you agree playinf little bit with ‘pivot’, might it be less arteffecfs and distorsions on the footage?
Hey man!! Yes definitely important to shift your pivot when altering contrast. Especially with 8 but. If you’re pushing too much contrast into the mid tones they can get noisy very fast with 8 bit footage. Alternatively if you move the pivot down too much to only affect the darkest areas, you’re gonna start getting a lot of chroma noise. For skin, we’d suggest shifting it down a little (or up if the shot is overexposed) till the skin looks clear. And the main thing is not adding too much contrast in initially like we did in this clip as you can add it in afterwards in your global adjustments
Hello I noticed you didn’t do a CST like what other channels would start with. Does that mean this wasn’t shot on log? And I own a canon t7i, it doesn’t come in log, but it has a neutral profile. Would you suggest I shoot in that profile or shoot in standard, as I have seen some videos saying a flat look reduces the quality of 8 bit footage making it harder for grading. Please help?
Honestly, use a profile that fits your scene and preference. For instance, if you have a scene where need the colors to pop then use a profile that's more saturated because it's better to have too much than too little. 8-bit is fine when you prepare and already know what you want the grade to be.
I do recommend it but you have to ensure you don’t push the Colors too much because it’s 8 bit. Otherwise you will struggle to get good color separation
@@meliorstudios Thank you for the lovely tutorial. I appreciate it. I just think that for higher volume workflows a 10 bit log capable camera is the minimum. I have been rotoscoping for years and I think every thing helps. At the same time I commend you for skillfully enhancing 8 bit footage. Good skills 👍🏽
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I am glad you made this video, I am tired of people trashing 8 bit video on reddit and RUclips and basically on all the forums and etc. this proves you can do a good job grading 8 bit and that having 10 bit isnt always just better.
Really glad you found it helpful!
This is the best davinci color grading tutorial I’ve watched. Great work man
Thanks for watching
After using and grading both 10bit videos, I was surprised how well 8bit videos handle color adjustments.
8bit shows its limitations when using the chroma key, but bad color management or h264 codec are the real problem rather than the color depth itself. Transcoding makes things better.
When grading the whole screen and not masking or keying(like only applying luts), I would gladly use 8bit footage.
Dude, this is a God send. Thank you for making these man.
Thanks for watching!
Watched this because i'm unsure if I need to upgrade to 10-bit (ZV-E1 or R8) but its the first time iv'e actually been able to follow and understand all those tools! thank you so much., really good video! I still might upgrade though... because who doesn't want a new camera?
Nice one and great look you got there in the end.
I would love to see more of that, editing 8-Bit footage in different styles (Different movie styles, commercial styles,...).
Keep it up and thank you for the content 🤙
Have made a note of your suggestion, really appreciate it! And thanks for watching ⚡️
I appreciate this content like this 🙌🏽 I have both an A7iii and A7iv, but I find myself using the A7iii simply for ease of use and less strain on my computer. 8-bit is totally usable for color grading! it just takes some finessing to get it right 🙏🏽
100% agree with you Wade! With some work you can create some really nice looking images. Thanks for watching ⚡️
Are you using proxies in your grading process? It helps to reduce the strain on the machine somewhat
@@graphikeye We used to use proxies and generated optimised media in the past but now working on the M1 max chip macs we've found we don't have to unless we're doing a lot of denoising/adding lots of grain
I had to use my GH4 alongside my GH6 on a recent project and the difference between them was way huge. But this video helped me balance them both. Thank you for this! Liked. Shared. Subscribed.
Man. I have to say ,I’m doing your workflow now since this weekend and I’m finally getting the results I want to get !
Before I used to CST my footage and grade the footage. But I never got the result I wanted and I felt like I have no control.
Now I know exactly what’s happening and I love it.
That you very very much ❤
Really excited to hear that!! Hope you get the results you’re looking for, thank you again for taking the time to watch!
@@meliorstudios before I always did the CST node at the end and worked from the front. But somehow I could never get my results I wanted. Now I put Rec 709 everywhere on CST and work how I feel like. And boom!
Probably not efficient that way but at least I can create what I have in mind :)
Thanks again
This was super helpful, i couldnt find a simple and easy way to edit 8 bit and this video just made it, THANKS MATE!
Really glad you found it useful!
You save my life 😂🔥🔥 content about 8bit footage are hard to find
Really glad it was helpful !
I’ve been struggling with grading and this has been the best so far!!
The best video so far for 8bit videos. Thank you for it helped me a lot after hours of hours :)
So happy to hear that
I don't know how to describe you guys but in simple terms you are amazing and God bless you
Really appreciate that Evans! Hope you found the video helpful ⚡️
Loved The Way You Seprated Colours In 8bit Footage...Great work man🔥
Thanks a lot Sam, hope you found it useful!
Impressive my friend. Your the only guy I know that can take 8bit 120fps 1080p and work with it like it’s 10bit 4k. Damn masterpiece brah!
Thanks a lot Patrick! Really appreciate the kind words, 8 bit is a little annoying sometimes but it’s still very usable!
I appreciate you for sharing this. I am going to do this workflow. great video!
Let me know how it goes
You doing great job man , this is what many people want to know about 8 bit footage , i am seing many great videos sony 8 bit , but not many people sharing to much knowledges to get smooth and quality color grading.Keep going these videos man , i am sure there will be many viewer here who wanna improve , subbed and waiting more videos 🙏🏽👌🏽
Thanks a lot for the kind comment! We’ll be sure to continue to make 8 bit videos 🙏🏽
Simple and straight forward - excellent Tutorial - SUBBED ❤
Thanks for watching!
This video tutorial are amazing, thanks for sharing this is awesome, all the best for you. Cheers!
This is an excellent tutorial. Just wish i came across it much sooner.
Thank you for watching!
So useful man, awesome video :)
Really glad you think so!
Really helpful and clear! Thanks man
Really happy to hear that
That was incredibly informative! Thank you!
Really glad you found it helpful! ⚡️
You part of the 8k man, just 2k more and you be singing 10k my friend. It’s coming up fast. Yay!
Thanks a lot brother!! Appreciate the constant support, 10K is the next milestone ⚡️
Just the video I needed. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Wonderful, thanks!
Thank you
Hey man, the final grade looks cool, but what's the idea behind not using CSTs? I don't see any advantages in working within the compressed space of rec.709. Wouldn't it be better to transform it into DaVinci Intermediate/WG at the beginning and then convert it to rec.709 at the end of the node tree? If there is an actual reason behind not using them, I would love to hear it.
excellent vid! Subbed
Thank you!
Man you are a savior.thanks alot
Subbed. Very nice presentation.
Thank you Mike!
Thank you so much, this video sure helped me understand better
Really glad you found it helpful!
isnt it better to work with curves for skintones sky and so on especially with 8 bit footage?
Hello,thanks for that. Which program do you use for this?
Davinci Resolve
You're basically grading an example that doesn't have 8-bit problems. Try to colorgrade an 8-bit gradient sky using your chosen Rec709 color space and you will run into problems that you claim to have solved.
Anyone can grade clips from higher end cameras like Reds, Arris, etc because there's just so much to work with...but this, what you did here, is the real stuff if genius!
I'm almost turned off when I see people grading footage that's shot really well, and from great gear. If I'm someone who's invested in that kind of gear and budget, you can bet I kinda know what I'm doing with it. No beginner (a smart one) is starting with an Arri.
So the actual interesting tutorials are ones like this where you can take difficult challenges like 8bit footage, or a poorly shot footage and use techniques to salvage/ correct footage. You can learn more with that kind of practice. Like training with ankle weights.
Hey Aaron, Firstly we really appreciate the kind words, it's very encouraging for us! appreciate the support over this last week 💪🏽
Ragib choudhury send me here, love your content ❤
This is Ragib! Thanks for watching!
regards to colour magament - i am working on windows - what should I use as timeline colour space and output colour space? I shot in 8bit SOny HLG3, Rec 709. Thank you!!
Hi, awesome video. I saw some other colorists were noting to add a in CST at the first node and an out one towards the end of the tree. I am shooting with slog 2 a7iii, did you choose to not do this for a reason? Also any reason why you did not choose Davinci WG/Intermediate for the Timeline color space?
Which picture profile did you use in this A7C footage? Great work man, im your fan and love how you explain colorgrading for lower budget cameras and bit rates = ) s2
Hey man! We used PP7 !
any tips/tricks to making a7iii 1080 footage sharp?
I normally avoid qualifier but use hue vs hue instead,but yeah thanks for uploading so u can destroy the myth 8bit = bad
hue vs Hue is great! But with qualifier you’re able to dial in a specific color very precisely! Thanks for watching JP!
Thanks for this video, it's really helpful! I was trying to apply it to my own footage but I ran into a problem when selecting the skintone. My clip has a person in it and wall of stone. The stone colour matches the skintone of my subject when I select it with the qualifier. I tried to change the luminance but then I loose all the skintone. What should I do? Would you recommend working with masks? Thanks!
I can't find the wand tool in 18.6.4! It isn't showing up above the preview window like it is in your example. On your screen I see 3 icons below and left of Timeline1 and one of the icon is the wand tool. Mine is missing. How do I get it back?
Ah yes in the newest Davinci it’s on the top left as a rectangle with a semi circle inside (it’s called highlight) you can also just press Shift+H to activate it
Bro you are just awesome !!!!!
Thanks for watching!
is it worth to use film convert nitrate/ look designer and Dehancer plugin on 8bit footage? cause i feel like - it gives me a bad result with 8 bit
Quick question - how come you didn't bother using a CST node given that you were grading 8-bit footage? Can I use a similar node structure to yours and apply a CST node right at the beginning to similar effect? Thanks!
The reason we didn’t use CST because when converting straight from Slog2 to rec.709, the image begins to break up and skin gets muddy. as we’re working with 8 bit footage and sometimes not perfectly exposed clips, that can be a problem and then you’ll spend more time trying to fix that initial balance than grading the actually clip, therefore, we just balance the image manually to begin with and we’re able to place the image in a good place for color separation which we do afterwards, I.e. the blacks are not crushed and there’s good separation in the skin, the video is not overly saturated and the white balance is not right. Can just get a little messy. Sorry for the long winded message but that’s the reason why. But we do use CST when converting to something like Arri log then applying a print film look afterwards
But yes you can still achieve a similar look for sure !!
Man i Love everything you do!!! I have a question to ask, are you still using the same settings on the A7iii? s-log2 and HLG3 from the video you have posted last year? are there any updates or tweeks?
Thanks a lot Casper!! And yes using the same profile settings we mentioned in our best picture profiles on the Sony A7iii ( this video: ruclips.net/video/5n1rm_46fkg/видео.html )
@@meliorstudios THANK YOU FOR THE QUICK REPLY! im acully going thur your whole channel and learning alot thanks to you guys!!! how many followers u need till you reach 8000?
this is soooo good, how you learn this all shit. Thankyou
Really glad you found it helpful
@@meliorstudios is it possible to do this method / technique when yur editing on an 8 bit footage on premire pro?
Do you ever upscale your 1080p Sony A7iii footage & in your experience do you feel it delivers a better image ?
Great question! Yes, when we used to shoot a lot on 1080p we exported the clip on a 4K timeline and the quality of the image improves drastically ⚡️
Image tends to look more sharper and cleaner compared to when you just export on a 1080p timeline
@@meliorstudios does the upscaling work only in the paid version or is it also working in the free version when I export 4k video with 1080p clips in it? Thanks
hi guys , which profiles and settings have you set on dji ronin s ? can you doing a tutorial? thank you
Nice video! Just have a question and that is why are you using rec 709a and not DaVinci WG/Intermediate?
The reason we’re using Rec-709a is simply because we’re using a Mac and so to get a matched export from the color grade you did in Davinci, you use rec709a. Most other inputs we used produce a different look after export, I.e. contrast and saturation levels change after exporting
Hey , i am watching your videos again and again, i just realized that for 8 bit footage ”Quazi” once said we should be so carefull about contrast so ( i experienced it is really destroying footage very easy) , so do you agree playinf little bit with ‘pivot’, might it be less arteffecfs and distorsions on the footage?
Hey man!! Yes definitely important to shift your pivot when altering contrast. Especially with 8 but. If you’re pushing too much contrast into the mid tones they can get noisy very fast with 8 bit footage. Alternatively if you move the pivot down too much to only affect the darkest areas, you’re gonna start getting a lot of chroma noise. For skin, we’d suggest shifting it down a little (or up if the shot is overexposed) till the skin looks clear. And the main thing is not adding too much contrast in initially like we did in this clip as you can add it in afterwards in your global adjustments
@@meliorstudios thanks for detaily answer bro , i will try it 🙏🏽👌🏽
No worries man, let us know if you need anymore help!
Hey, thanks for the video! It was really helpful. What picture profile was used in this shot?
Thanks a lot! And PP7 on the Sony A7iii
@@meliorstudios Cheers! I'm propably going to try it out with ITU709 Matrix like you suggested in one of your earlier videos. Using Sony a7iii.
Yes we definitely recommend pairing slog2 with ITU.709 matrix. We hope it helps!
This footage was filmed in LOG format?
Yes, slog2
Please update description to mention that the footage was slog2 lol i just destroyed my slog3 grade
Thanks!
🙏🏽
have you tried edit on davinci wide gamut?
but what pp setting is best for sony a7 m3
Hello I noticed you didn’t do a CST like what other channels would start with. Does that mean this wasn’t shot on log? And I own a canon t7i, it doesn’t come in log, but it has a neutral profile. Would you suggest I shoot in that profile or shoot in standard, as I have seen some videos saying a flat look reduces the quality of 8 bit footage making it harder for grading. Please help?
Honestly, use a profile that fits your scene and preference. For instance, if you have a scene where need the colors to pop then use a profile that's more saturated because it's better to have too much than too little. 8-bit is fine when you prepare and already know what you want the grade to be.
Thank you
Thanks for watching
may i know what color profile do you use?
PP7 on the Sony a7iii
SLOG2 so thats why its not match with footage that i edited i shot on SLOG3@@meliorstudios
thank you very much sir@@meliorstudios
"The skin sits in the midtones usually"... Would love to see you give yourself a challenge and try this same thing with dark skin indoors at night.
Was this recorded on slog2 or slog3?
Slog2! PP7 on the Sony A7iii
@@meliorstudios i really appreciate the work you guys are doing! Keep it up! 🔥🔥🔥
Which color space was this shot in? Sgamut or itu709?
This was sgamut before I learnt about itu709 Matrix
Love u :)
Love you more Neven ⚡️
What picture profile did you use ?
picture Profile 7 ⚡️
@@meliorstudios slog2 ?
@@Pr0deDADY yes
for me qualifier is not recommended for 8bit footage
I do recommend it but you have to ensure you don’t push the Colors too much because it’s 8 bit. Otherwise you will struggle to get good color separation
So much extra work. 😬
as long as you get the the result you’re looming for, that’s all that matters
@@meliorstudios Thank you for the lovely tutorial. I appreciate it. I just think that for higher volume workflows a 10 bit log capable camera is the minimum. I have been rotoscoping for years and I think every thing helps.
At the same time I commend you for skillfully enhancing 8 bit footage. Good skills 👍🏽
05:45 😛
and now i'm wishing you good lick babysit 70 clips with this qualifier node in hope that you have not grabbed something else...
Or you could just not film in S-LOG because you don't do that in 8-Bit
The Sony A7iii is perfectly fine being shot in slog2. If you shoot with no profile you’ll struggle to color grade the image