Ben Shelton vs Frances Tiafoe For The Title! | Houston 2024 Final Highlights
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Just during the course of this tournament, Shelton got better with each match, improving on his shot length, movement, and combinations. Incredibly fast learner!
I love seeing dynamic players like Shelton succeed. Need way more of this type of play
I love Ben I can't wait to see him win a major title
Not even.
@@loisnoble9139 That`s never gonna happen.
@@iosifmarius7302Never say never
Good battle. Shelton is shaping up to be a very good competitor as his game is getting more refined.
Congrats to Shelton, his second career title and a new career high ranking at No. 14 come Monday. With some adjustments he’ll be Top 10 for many years to come.
Musetti defeated Shelton in Miami R3, then he defeated Fritz in R1 of Monte-Carlo. After winning the Houston clay title, however, Ben Shelton is #13 in the ATP Live Rankings making him the top-ranked US male player.
@@got2bjosh
- Shelton moved up to No. 13 in the Live Tracker because Fritz lost in the 1st round at Monte-Carlo.
- Musetti beat Fritz today and he beat Djokovic at the 2023 Monte-Carlo Masters. Musetti and Djokovic will likely meet at the Round of 16 this year just like last year.
@@RamZar50 Why reword what I already said in the first bullet point?
@@got2bjosh why is ben not playing monte carlo?
@@akens2006 he opted for Houston 250, which had its final on the 7th. Monte Carlo kicks off the first round in France the same day. Americans are admittedly not the greatest on clay, and Houston seems to be a less travel intensive warmup to the clay season.
Ben is such a thoughtful champion. Good way to show respect to Frances.
Shelton knows when a moment calls for gravitas. Yes, Frances' "screw you" comment got a laugh from the crowd appreciating levity, but it was Ben's acknowledgement of: 1) the historic nature of the final, 2) the legacy nature of his win, and 3) the power of representation for people of color that drew true respect from the crowd.
These little distinctions of character continue to separate Ben from the pack of American compatriots arguably too distracted by money & fame. He's serious about achieving important goals for himself, his family, and for US men's tennis which is in DIRE need of a Grand Slam champion 20+ years after Roddick. Play time is over. We need players with BIG weapons who know how to WIN.
Yea I think Foe learned a few things today.
That was very good. Wish he gave credit to the ball kids too
Kinda sad comment really. Pathetic
Did the tournament compact the clay for the US players, cuz it plays like a hard court.
Ben is a monster. Serve, forehand, backhand, conditioning. This is why many of the ATP players are referring to it as 'Top 20', this guy can come along and blow anyone away.
Top 20? He's already #14.
anyone ? nah thats bullshit, but yeah he s dangerous
Ben is now the #1 US male player at #14 (#13, LIVE).
@@potzysk2 Yeah, and he was a rank nobody nothing this time last year
Players like Aliassime, Norrie, Korda, Fritz are finding themselves being pushed out of their positions
then you have gunners like Ugo Humbert, Jiri Lecheka, Mensik, Machac threatening to make moves. - none of this is counting the established elite players.
Ben's volleys are on point too!!!
I loved seeing all the love for both of these players in the comments, but shame on anyone who threw unnecessary and often hateful shade at these two men who played a great match today.
Stupid comment
I, for one, am not 'throwing shade' at either one. I did not even know that Shelton was bi-racial until he made his remark about how hard people like he and Tiafoe have it because of the way they look.
They played a great and entertaining match and we should be proud that they choose to represent the USA in a sport where we once were so dominant but has since seen the development of outstanding players from Europe, South America and Asia in addition to Australia, which has long been at the pinnacle of achievement in this sport.
I also take Shelton's word that Tiafoe is helping needy individuals to develop their tennis skills and I presume that Shelton, who has relatives highly skilled at tennis from both sides of his biracial family will be doing the same.
I look forward to the day that everyone gets a good opportunity to advance to their utmost whatever their sporting skills and interests may be.
Sheldon’s net game and backhand are underrated
No, they’re not. I’m a fan of his, and the inconsistency of both of those tools drives me nuts.
net game is not underrated, backhand is sure
Ben's BH & volleys were on point the entire week. His father worked hard with him. After the near misses in Auckland SF, Dallas SF, and Acapulco QF it was time to get serious about claiming another title before the season got too far away from him. Now up to a new high ranking of #14.
@@got2bjosh well said. Hopefully Houston marks a turning point rather than a blip of good form.
He still needs a bit more work on both but Ben is definitely Solid‼️🔥 clutch volleys solid backhands when he needed em Congrats to both🫡🫡
Shelton has a rocket serve 🚀
Now he is the #1 US male player at #14 (#13, LIVE).
Doesn't work too well on clay, you still gotta grind those points out, but he got the win today.
Ben have the biggest potential of all new tennis stars, his talent is enourmous
For American tours yes, but globally he won’t shine brightly
@@sviatoslavnovosiadlyi611 The thing is his game is far from perfect there is too much room for improvement if he keeps improving and working hard sky is limit for this guy
Bryan & I were saying the SAME thing to Ben during Tiafoe's sock change. Once Ben took that feedback on board from his dad & stopped holding back, it was OVER. As talented as Tiafoe & Paul are in their own ways, when the gloves are off, neither can handle Shelton's power. Fritz flamed out hard at Monte-Carlo & will be losing A LOT of points. Of the top 5 US male players, Shelton is the only one truly capable of winning a Slam in the next few years.
@@sviatoslavnovosiadlyi611 In his 2nd full year on tour, Shelton is already #14 in the world with 2 titles (500 & 250) from different countries on different surfaces. He's very much a global star in the game.
@@got2bjosh Yap thats my point im not saying its amaizing he won he is good right now im saying with all the game flaws he still has in his game he reached this much already at such a young age i can see him winning US Open in near future but lets see, if he avoids injuries and stay healty good things are coming
“Screw you, Ben”….. best moment in the clip. 😂😂😂
@kenzone Highly disrespectful and should be fined.
I'm just moved to tears by Ben's victory and both men's speeches. Such great guys.
Omg, it's happened. With Fritz's R1 defeat to Musetti, as of Monday, Ben Shelton is #13 in the ATP Live Rankings making him the top-ranked US male player.
Agassi?😮
Tiaflop out here changing coaches once again. I already told y'all he is notorious for being difficult to coach & yet he expects them to deliver the wins on a platter. You can't charge card your way to readymade success. Keep on sliding, Tiafool.
Thanks for not spoiling the result in the thumbnail, it's always much appreciated.
Great speeches at the end from both!
Respect to Ben!
Congratulations, Ben! 🎉
BRAVO LES GARS👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾!An amazing and thrilling final between two awesome and handsome players, Tiafoe and Shelton put up an extremely entertaining and an impressive tight game until the end.
Best wishes for the 2024 season.
Great athletes and role models all around!!
Good game to both guys, and congratulations to Ben Shelton on the title and a new high ranking of 14. With a few minor tweaks and experience, he's going to be a mainstay in the top 10 for years to come. (Prediction: he cracks the top 10 after the U.S. Open.)
Congrats 👏 Ben, GG to both.
The fact that pros like Francis can return serves from players like Ben, shows the skill level between pros and joes...
I'm liking the maturity in Ben lately, I'm starting not to dislike him so much.
He's still the same Shelton...
You're just realizing how dumb your dislike for him was
@@malekat8539 lol spoken like a true deluded fanboy.
@VladRadu-tq1pg
If you haven't seen the backlash that Shelton has received since the US Open 23, then you are the deluded one
@@VladRadu-tq1pgIt’s true though. I am not even his fan, but the amount of hate he was getting last year was ridiculous. Same with Rune. Most young men need some time to mature up, it’s completely natural. And it’s funny the narrative suddenly changes just because he won a tournament.
Like them both! Congrats Shelton!🌈
Well said speech at the end Ben!
The people criticizing Ben speaking on color are what’s wrong with the world now. If you aren’t black you wouldn’t understand. Most of us aren’t raised with a racket in our hand tennis is rarely known in the black community all he was saying thank you for shining a light on a sport towards people who look like us.
Mixed boys, ftw! Swirl Nation.
Sorry you cant defend him, he miss spoke , sport gathers people with different colors, but mister Ben loves division . shame real shame
@@mouradel6432you are being obtuse, just a dumb comment all round
@@mouradel6432 He didn’t misspeak but you certainly misspelled.
Bro I’m black but stop it Shelton was not raised poor and he’s mixed race.
So happy to see him win
Congrats Ben, more great things coming.
Ben is the next great American player
After winning the Houston clay title, Ben Shelton is 13 in the ATP Live Rankings making him the top-ranked US male player. A new career high of 14, overall.
His game is so dangerous - its reminiscent of Fed and Sampras in terms of how lethal it is. When it clicks it's potentially going to be too much for even people like Sinnner and Alcaraz. Just a matter of time and consistency. He's heading in the right direction for sure. I'm certain Ben will win a slam.
Ben is my favorite.
Let’s Go🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
ALL of my picks won today: Shelton (Houston), Collins (Charleston), Hubi (Estoril), & Teeny Berret (Marrakech). Let's go! 7-5 4-6 6-3 in 2hrs & 16mins. Mixed boys, ftw! Ben gave a beautiful speech. The first time two black men played each other in an ATP final. Ben’s dad won in 1992 & Shelton won 30 editions later. Now they both have two ATP titles. Founded in 1910, Shelton is the youngest champion of the prestigious clay court tournament since Roddick in 2002. The 2024 edition saw the tournament's longest match & longest tiebreak ever. Next up for Shelton, a grass title, I hope! He has an all-surface, all-court game.
Who is Teeny Berret ahaha
Who gives a fuck if you're black? I don't.
Shelton is more white than black
@@eyx9638Berrettini:)
@@sophieoshaughnessy9469 Yeah I figured it out but why that nickname? And where does it come frome? I'm curious because I have never heard it
Glad Ben got this title. The European clay season is probably going to be tough on him.
He's not playing Minty Carload. While Rome is slower, Madrid & RG are hot & fast.
@@got2bjosh RG is fast? lmao
@@creepymanchildren For clay, yes. Any pro tennis player will tell you Madrid & RG are much faster clay courts compared to Rome, M-C, and the Golden swing in SA.
Ben sucks and will never win a slam
@@JOdell-si8mqcause clearly you’re an authority on winning the game of life eh mate? Yeah righto, SMH. Have a nice day :)
Great people...great players...we want more...😋
Lets go Ben!!
Big Ben has it all. Too much for Little Foe. Foe couldn’t hurt him on clay!!! Wow Ben’s the new kid on the block but it was good to see BF compete. Congrats Ben!
Is it just me or is Tiafoe all of sudden grunting like “ughshhh”
Some kind of edit by tennis tv I think
@@nishantchauhan5265 No, he does that whenever struggling to return opponent's pace.
Good you did it,vamos Ben ❤🎾
Although tennis is a very individual sports，both of the two players will be the key person in the US team. Well done Shelton!
Just found out a couple of month ago who, Ben Shelton is what a match , congratulations that lefty got power!!!!!
Enjoy! He's a thrill to watch & has only gotten better.
Shelton looking good on clay! Can’t wait to see how far he goes in the French. Well done kid!
This clay is faster than some hard courts
Final?
That speech tho 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
Glad to see tiafoe playing better. Hes been off all years thats the best ive seen him play hopefully hes back focused
Tiafool is out here changing coaches once again after only 4 months. I already told y'all he is notorious for being difficult to coach & yet he expects them to deliver the wins on a platter. You can't charge card your way to readymade success. Keep on sliding, Tiaflop.
insane final
Well done young Shelton
Glückwunsch Shelton 🏆
This clay court seems faster than many hardcourts
It plays like a hard court because It's natural, red dirt clay from the South not manufactured crushed up and dyed bricks like in Europe.
Love everthing about Ben other than his high pitched Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Congrats to the bright, shining star, Mr. Ben Shelton, who's only getting better & better. Overall "game" throughout this match & classy trophy speech, on point. Perhaps Tiafoe's speech was edited & the part where he congratulated Shelton was omitted. "Screw you" certainly wasn't it, although the crowd laughed it up. Great job, Tiafoe, but humility is a beautiful thing. You're not going to win every match & you know that. Indeed, your "good friend" played lights out tennis & won. Again, well done & congrats, Ben Shelton!
Proper champ.
I'd be happy regardless of who won this match because both of these guys are entertaining and humble. 💪
I know that it’s still long way away but I’d really be surprised if Ben Shelton did not make a deep run at Wimbledon
LOVE B. Shelton ❤❤❤
Good win and you can only play the person on the other side of the net, but lets not get to ahead of ourselves, it was Tiafoe he beat. I like Tiafoe but his game is very up and down and rarely troubles the players he needs to.
@groethej Not only is his game up and down, it is also back and forth.
What an exciting match! Tiafoe and Shelton’s play styles match up well.
Ben Shelton was referring to creating positive archetypes for groups of people whose members make up a small percentage of professional tennis players (and tennis in general).
It’s good to generate new and positive archetypes for cultural or ethnic groups. It’s good for all people.
Tiafoe blamed Shelton jokingly “damn you Shelton” or something like that. And mentioned his 3 atp trophies? Or is that just clay courts? See if he can continue at a high level and lower errors for trophy #4.
My criticism in both Shelton and Tiafoe’s speeches is that they didn’t say very much about each other’s tennis.
Congratulations to the Winner
Ben has some shot out of this planet but i don’t think he is ready for something bigger than 250/500
Conveniently forgetting his AO QF, USO SF, & Shanghai QF runs.
Not until he gets the frat boy antics and the arrogant behavior under control
@Mangoshake2021 OH ok so you're just a Ben hater. What antics? Outside of the phone call thing the kid has literally done nothing. So please tell us what "frat boy antics"?
Every guy (excluding maybe Nole) loves Ben on tour. He has a ton of friends on tour. Always gives love at the net to some degree. And you can see his passion for tennis every time he plays. So wtf is the problem?
@@ivanhall6482When you rise here comes the FLIES. Hating MOFOs can't help themselves.
Hey lets not bring up facts......many "fans" (of what?) are happy just saying whatever. (I couldn't agree with you more)
new sheriff in town to lead American Mens tennis.
Haha, he won a atp 250 😂
@Mangoshake2021 99% of players never win a challenger let alone an ATP 250. And him and Tommy Paul have been the most consistent and growth mindset Americans in a long time
Novak still beat Shelton ass easily. Shelton is no alcarez or sinner. I’m black but hate when black people only watch tennis because a black or mixed race player is playing and knows nothing about the sport,embarrassing.
Btw all men pro players hit hard , Shelton is winning baby tournaments. Sinner and Alcarez are winning the big ones. The last real black man to win a slam was Arthur Ashe in the 70s and the last mixed race man was yannick Noah at the French Open
@@JOdell-si8mqthis is a marathon not a race and stop with the race card lol
Ben's massive serve and better movement made the difference today, with a very consistent backhand also helping. Quite a classy speech from Ben after Tiafoe's playful "screw you, Ben". Shelton is 275 ATP points away from overtaking Fritz (who was just dumped by Musetti in the first round of Monte Carlo) in the rankings as the top US player, with barely any points to defend until the US Open. He's 1000 points from entering the top 10 and repeating his awesome 2023 US Open run won't be easy, so he would have to go deep at Wimby to reach that milestone. He could also do some damage at the Olympics, depending on the luck of the draw and how much he can build up his game consistency.
After winning the Houston clay title, Ben Shelton is 13 in the ATP Live Rankings making him the top-ranked US male player. A new career high of 14, overall.
i was there today
Shelton 7-5 4-6 6-3 Tiafoe
Champion: Shelton
ATP Tour 2024:
-United cup: Germany
-Brisbane: Dimitrov
-Hong Kong: Rublev
-Auckland: Tabilo
-Adelaide: Lehecka
-Australian Open: Sinner
-Montpellier: Bublik
-Marsella: Humbert
-Dallas: Paul
-Córdoba: Darderi
-Rotterdam: Sinner
-Buenos Aires: Diaz Acosta
-Delray Beach: Fritz
-Doha: Khachanov
-Los Cabos: Thompson
-Rio: Baez
-Dubai: Humbert
-Acapulco: De Minaur
-Santiago: Baez
-Indian Wells: Alcaraz
-Miami: Sinner
-Estoril: Hurkacz
-Marrakech: Berrettini
-Houston: Shelton
Shelton winning in clay in Houston...Hurkacz winning in clay in Estoril...Berrettini winning in clay in Marrakech, waht's going on here?
Serve is King!
Honestly all 3 who I wanted to win. The WTA had some great matches too
Teeny Berret has always been good on the organic surfaces (grass & clay), so no surprise there. Happy for Collins, Shelton, & Hubi! It's exciting to see different people win.
the speed of that clay court in Houston is insane!! looks pretty much like a fast hard court! congrats Ben!!
US clay courts plays faster because they're made from harder, older, more stable, mountainous stone in Virginia. The same company provides the newer, softer, less stable brick for European clay tournaments.
@@got2bjosh so this tournament uses Har-Tru? isnt that green clay?
@@pablok2854 The Charleston green clay is from one type of naturally green mountainous stone. The Houston stone clay is maroon colored. The Euro brick clay is dyed.
strange match, more like a training session or warm-up... both players simply switched off at key moments in the sets. We played in the middle of the court and didn’t aggravate things at all. There was no feeling of adrenaline or intensity
2:01 Sampras approved ⭐
SHAME on the pathetic networks for NOT covering this tournament
So sick of the poor choices they make
For REAL. The erasure was mind-boggling given the level of tennis. They were covering Bogota on T2 instead of Houston. No top 10 players in the draw & the prize money is only $85K might have something to do with it. They have a long-standing deal with ESPN.
@dale3504 What are you complaining about? Peacock had snooze fests of car races and golf tournaments.
7:56 Agassi approved 🚀
Ben is real cute. Hope to see him continue with success
Ben reminds me of Boris Becker. Power serve and a strong Forehand ...I can see him in top 10 this year
My goodness! You must be over 60 years of age, because Ben also reminds me of Boris Becker.
Clayton has arrived 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yass, Cowboy Clayton!
i really hope Ben develops some consistency in his game so he can push players like Alcarez and Sinner.
Ben won the tournament as his 2nd title, is Top 14 in the world, & has already shown he can beat Sinner at a Masters.
@@got2bjoshwhilst Ben is bloody good, his sinner win came right after sinner won a hard title ending in a grueling match against medvedev, it’s a good result but it’s not the same as a win on the sinner who’s won 3 titles this year
@@turntech4776yet there very next match was a close scoreline. I will admit, Sinner is on another planey, but its not out of the relm of possibility that Shelton can beat him. Need to perfect parts of his game but defo doable
@@saami9606 not at all out of the realm of possibility! , although much more likely to happen in best of 3 than best of 5 as of this moment due to how complete sinner is
@@saami9606 Sinner just lost to Tsitsipus at Monty Carload.
That is something🎉 too glorious battle for ATP 250😅
Well, that's Tiafoe's level. He's never won a 500 or higher b/c he & Paul lack the weapons to trouble the very best.
The 2 rising stars for the U.S Tennis!!!!
Two? I see ONE rising star in his early 20s.
I know Shelton has his fair share of haters but he's the future of men's US tennis and I wish him all the success.
❤ben
Ben Shelton 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪😍😍😍😍😍😍♥️♥️♥️♥️
Ben is the new Hope of the American Tennis
Whooa . He won a 250 tournament 🎉
I dont think so
@@Mangoshake2021and a 500
@@saami9606 Japan ? That should be a 250 at best
@@Mangoshake2021Most of the top 10 have 250,500's . Even Sinner and he's been on the pro circuit for several years. Just won his first GS and second 1000. It takes time.
Nice!
quarter final of grand slam level here
Shelton will be a top 10 player at most with the way he is playing but to break into top 5 or 3, its not easy for any americans in this era, will need to play 5 times better than he is playing now.
He's in his 2nd full year on tour. He's tracking very well so far.
@got2bjosh yea hope he doesn't turn out like shapovalov who once had potential but now we barely hear the name
@@kieran1990able Well, Shapo has only won 1 title & no 500, so....
Shelton plays like Fernando Verdasco
Guys, did you know? Ben Shelton looks white but is actually half black. Emma Radicanu looks Indian but is half Euro-Asian!
Lol! You need to get out more! Ben does not look "white"; he looks just like that which he is (biracial) and Emma does NOT look Indian at all! 😉
I remember many guys saying Shelton would be a bad guy and a player without any potential... that has only been a few months ago. Ain't that crazy?
This guy is getting closer to the top ten and his game still has a few flaws that he can and will eliminate. If he does, he will be able to compete with everybody. I still expect him to become a top five player and stay there for many years. Sinner seems to be in his own sphere, but Alcaraz will strike back. Medwedew and Zverev will be there for many years and maybe Rune will improve and get there, too.
Probably these guys will dominate the next five years. At least, as soon as Djokovic's body doesn't allow him to win big tournaments (maybe in one or two years).
Ben!
Shelton and Tiafoe is the best both champions
2:58 when u use cleverness instead of muscle 💡
Curious. This type of clay seems to be a little faster and having a lower bounce than regular red clay. Not a lot of balls above shoulder height. Red Har-Tru, I believe.
This is true American red dirt clay from the South. Not the crushed up, manufactured stuff from bricks used in Europe. It's natural, harder, and faster.
The European clay is far better. The American one is pretty average. Playability wise
@@aniguydude55 Both come from the same American company in Virginia. The clay they use for US (Charleston & Houston) is sourced from harder, much older mountainous stone that is sharper & holds its shape better making it more stable under foot. The draining system is also much better requiring less watering. The clay they use for Europe is made from newer, softer, less stable brick & requires more watering.
Love the fact that these two don’t grunt every single time they hit the ball
Tiafoe has really been a disappointment ever sense that big of winning against nadal in the us open
Very surprised
Nadal was injured ever since the Wimbledon match with the abdominal tear. It’s not like he beat “peak Nadal.” Expectations were set took high for him. He may have been ranked 10th for a couple of months, but he’s not a “Top 10 Player.”
Tiafool is out here changing coaches once again after only 4 months. I already told y'all he is notorious for being difficult to coach & yet he expects them to deliver the wins on a platter. You can't charge card your way to readymade success. Keep on sliding, Tiaflop.
@@got2bjosh You know him in person, his last coach was with him for over 5years, and you are lying.
@@ig6894 Child, please. Everything stated has already long been reported in tennis media. Many coaches have tried to improve Tiaflop's janky serve for YEARS to no avail. He was only with his MOST RECENT coach for 4 months. Tiafool just split with him. Try to keep up.
Efficiency above style with these modern players…
Atlanta baby🫡🇺🇸 huge shouts to Tiafoe tho
Who is the white guy on ben's box and frances box?
Without the phone antic, Shelton has significantly become quite likeable.
He was always likable. Comments pre-USO vouch for that. Lemmings freaked out & saw red because You-Know-Who told them to. Then karma got him good vis-a-vis ITIA pressure & young guns taking it to him more often. He started flopping after which people couldn't gloat incessantly which eventually led to a cooling of tempers. In the meantime, Ben kept focusing on improving his game and others spoke out more against the irrational vitriol online. Now, here we are.
@@got2bjosh I'm a tennis fan generally but the worst thing that's ever come out of tennis is you know who's fans. I hope they all melt away when he does.
lol at ben's speech "people that look like you and me" you two look nothing alike in terms of colo tho lol
Reminds me of a Dave Chappelle skit.
I did laugh at that myself but I knew what he meant! 😂
Maybe that’s what he means - the range
Had to come here and comment on 7:32 🤩
This should have been on Tennis Channel
They have a special deal with ESPN.
@@got2bjosh that doesn't matter to me
@@thatsoleelee Lol, I agree, but just explaining why it wasn’t at least made available on T2.
@got2bjosh thank you. I didn't require an explanation because I knew and that knowledge doesn't change that I think it should have been on Tennis Channel
Fair to say his first stone-clay title.
Is this the first all black Atp Tournament Final in the history of tennis ??
Yeah, basically.
@jaydubb2005 Not at all because although Tiafoe is 100% African as his parents fled the Sierra Leone civil war, Shelton's mom was so-called white and it is obvious that his father has some so-called white ancestry just based on his appearance. I am trying to fight the notion that someone with some so-called white ancestry is "black." Like President OBAMA whose mother was Irish descended and he was raised by her side of the family.
@@vernonfrance2974 #lmao Nah, Tiafoe and Shelton are black. Things are just changing in the world of tennis. We might just see an all black Grand Slam Finals for the Men and Women this season. If not this season, definitely next season and many seasons to come. It's been a long time coming.
They're both champions.
3:40 what kind of shot is that?
are they both exhaling at the moment of contact, or i m just hearing something else..