I agree with you not only for Hiphop but also Trap, I really don't see the point of remaking the same exact beat, thats why when I'm making a production and I require that beat I just take a pre made drum loop either My own or someone else's and use that. I don't see the point of wasting My time making the exact same beat over and over. I just use the drum loop change the effects, add some exrtra drums onto. I do also play in drums that might be redoing whats already been done but I do it because I want that natural off grid swing. The melodies and chords and music I compose ontop are the most important thing to Me, and the drums just help the flow and rhythm of that instrumental I'm trying to go for. Long comment but very interesting topic.
Us newer guys have been complaining about how old head and boom cappers for the longest time. Not cause if their resistance to change or innovation but because they wanna say we’re not “real” or good by pushing the hip hop sound.
There is boring and uninspired music in every era, across every genre. There might be more boring stuff to sift through now that the equipment is cheap and readily available, but I'd say thats a good thing overall. Many people who make music are hobbyists, not musicians trying to "make it". Let people sound the same, it only makes the unique artists shine brighter.
Of course It is a hobby for many. But even if you take oil painting as a hobby you still might meet people locally at the library or rec center, try to come up with subjects close to your heart and share something about yourself. I find it weird how a music hobby just becomes collecting so easily. Theres something very similar to retro game collectors to the boom bap sampler hobbyists. After you get your new machine and the technical problems solved, zip disks formatted and all, you’ve done your demo and the machine just sits there ready for use it’s kind of a bummer 😂
Social media is the root cause of a lot of this behavior. I’d be willing to bet that 8 out 10 participants in hip-hop right now don’t have a genuine affinity for the culture, music and its history. - What they do have is a very strong desire to be popular and/or famous. Most of these people who have channels of themselves making the same beat over and over again don’t have any real love for Hip-Hop, they’re simply using Hip-Hop as a tool to create “content” for whatever platform they’re on because they’re seeking admiration from strangers via subscribers/followers/engagement in hopes of making their dreams come true of being an established name. A lot of artists today are unfortunately for the most part nothing more than glorified influencers.
I don't think making jazzy boom bap beats will get you rich or famous. If I talk about chopped soul samples and boom bap drums at work 99.9% of the people won't know what I'm talking about. The personalized algorhythms have got you thinking half the population has bought an MPC and are making 90s hiphop. The shit ain't populair. If somebody is gonna shell out hundreds or sometimes more than thousands of dollars for samplers and they're making boom bap beats I actually think that they're freaks who really love that sound. It's actually not a hip thing to do. Yeah of course they want views and want to get paid some money but to say these people are looking for an easy way to get rich is laughable. If you wanna make money make trap beats on a laptop or better yet in 2024 make country music or pop.
@@abcd-zh9om I agree with your statement that boom bap beats aren't as popular as trap beats. However, ,y comment wasn't specific to anyone making boom bap beats specifically. My point is that a lot of music is monotonous now because the investment to entry is almost nothing. Once upon a time, if you wanted to invest in your skillset and take a real shot at making it you had to put your money where you mouth is. e.g. A roll of 2" tape in 1994 cost $200 a roll ($424 in 2024 dollars) and that roll had a lifespan, you couldn't just record unlimited takes until you got what you wanted. You could only record to it X amount of times before the tape went bad and you had to buy a new roll. -- This doesn't include the cost of studio time, paying an engineer to run the session their hourly rate or what you paid the composer (pRoDuceR) for his beat. Today a person can wake up at for their 2nd day of high school and beg their parents for a Hip-Hop-In-A-Box kit that comes with an interface, headphones, a mic, mic stand, cables, studio monitors and a DAW for under $1,000 and upload their undeveloped skills to the endless sea of cocky mediocrity via DistroKid and have their music in the same retail space as someone who spent their whole life developing their craft. By the way, despite boom bap beats not being the popular wave on a grand scale, the audience for those type of beat makers big enough on spaces like TikTok for those "content" creators to thrive. -- It's the reason why they're chasing the content dragon to become an influencer. Someone out there is paying their bills by making the same copy and paste beat over and over again and it's attracting more and more people to try their hand at it.
Those boom bap beats may not be what charts but artists like Roc Marciano and the Griselda guys have made a lane for them to still be appreciated and sold/licensed. Might be niche but it's still popular.
@@JustAUsername-i5l Yeah and most people who like that type of hiphop aren't the average music fans. Usually people who dig deeper and really like the music and than some go and buy gear and want to make it and than some showcase this on youtube. I think most do really like the stuff they're making and not only in it for a quick buck. Just because you suck at it doesn't mean you don't genuinely like it. I thinks most do.
The Short Answer is Yes The Long Answer is YES Thank you Tony These RUclips clowns are picking the bones of a long dead carcass… I’m so glad you’re speaking from experience… the internet has LITERALLY taken the soul out of everything…. Eventually it will take all of the human soul…
@Davblazer i think ai tools like samplette and sample packs make the process ridiculously easy, and nobody actually knows how to find music anymore. Nobody has a specific style or type of music they like to sample or make, they just turn on the ai, no brain matter needed. Samplette can literally pick which country, key, bpm, style, and instrumentation to find samples, its ridiculously easy
@@MrCJ-lc9ru Many people make songs. songs are all over the place, The top 40 is filled with country and pop songs and a few hiphop songs too. I read that 100.000 songs are uploaded to spotify and other streaming platforms. Everyday! These are not only beats. Step out of your algorhthym.
I said this so manny times everyone on youtube with all that gear makes trash music. They like to show off gear but beats are TRASH. Same on instagram all this vintage gear but the music is bad. People are more in to gear than music these days...
THE POINT IS 4 THINGS: 1ST THE SAMPLERS HAVE TOTALLY EVOLVED FROM THE OLD SAMPLERS. 2ND IT'S AFFORDABLE. 3RD IT'S ANALOG 4TH EVERYTHING IS GOING BACK TO 99 PERCENT ANALOG EQUIPMENT, VINYL RECORDS, CD'S AND TAPES. AND THAT WILL PUT A 100 PERCENT OF OWNERSHIP IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT PRODUCED AND WROTE THE MUSIC. GO LOOK AT CHINA, THEY HAVE STARTED MASS PRODUCTION OF RECORD PLAYERS, CD PLAYERS, AND TAPE RECORDERS. SO YOUNG PRODUCERS AND SONG WRITER'S IT'S YOUR TIME TO REALLY BE INDEPENDENT, WITHOUT HAVING TO USE/PAY SPOTIFY OR RUclips TO MAKE MONEY. BECAUSE NOW YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELL PHYSICAL COPIES OF YOUR MUSIC, DIRECT TO THE CONSUMER.
I guess it's like a hot dog. I like hot dogs, I don't typically go and get creative hot dogs. Sometimes i get a fancy hot dog with a bunch of different toppings - sometimes i just want a hot dog with ketchup even if it's the same hot dog I've always got. The goal isn't really to be super creative all the time, sometimes you just make stuff. Most of the time it will be iterative or the same as stuff that's already been made, it doesn't matter. If you're making at all, thats more than most human beings on the planet.
Hip Hop producers now are loop makers, when the greats were record makers and the DJs were record breakers. Hip Hop is boring, there is nothing exciting out there. Records like Naughty' s OPP will stand the test of time, tracks today will be forgotten.
Studio One is awesome. Logic still does little weird things constantly that drive me insane. Like randomly dropping certain key commands, adding a few samples at the end of a region, the automation doesnt actually snap to the grid, sonically. ect ect. Studio One just works.
I’d argue that the overwhelming bulk of people making music on youtube and uploading to soundcloud, etc, are hobbyists, a large percentage of those have a vague hope/dream of getting “somewhere”, but no real career plan. There’s a lot of gray in between. I personally don’t care who is doing what, or for what reason. I think the rants about “no good music” or, frankly stupid and pointless. It’s yelling at traffic. I don’t like vast majority of most media, or if I do, it doesn’t hit me on a level where I’m deeply invested. The beauty of the modern era is that we can only ever listen to whatever we want, when we want, and I just plain don’t hear the stuff I don’t like, because I can curate my own media bubble, and venture out whenever I feel to find something new. There’s always been a sea of chaff out there in the midst of the wheat. It was just that most of us the chaff was being sorted through established industry channels, even on an underground level, and fewer people had access to create and publish music for public consumption. And yes, there’s still new boom bap being created, with simple drum patterns, that’s also dope as fuck.
I really enjoy figuring out different workflows. The beats coming out of all of my different machines might not be groundbreaking, but I really enjoy the process. But, yes, some people hype new gear like its something they need to develop their skill, and end up doing the same thing over and over again 😅. Especially the content creators out here on youtube. Most of em can’t even make a decent beat. Thanks for the video again!
Love you brother! You spoke every single word I think about in my subconscious! These doods are just fetishizing the old days… I’m sorry those days are gone. I hate the RUclips MPC community, it’s just a circle jerk of everyone doing the same Danm thing! The beats are lackluster at best. They spend too much time setting up cameras rather than spending time to make a finished product.
Finally, a clear objective perspective on who we are and what we are doing as a people . Thank you kind Sir for your oh r much needed input. I Love New York City!
It's fan fiction. No one is rapping to these beats, except the same Biggie acapellas they always slap on top of them. Maybe an occasional Big L. What is common with the two Bigs is that they both had a limited time as artists, were tied to a certain era and style and, with all due respect, had a pretty straight, monotonic cadence, which you could add on top of the sound of a washing machine or a punching bag and it would fit. To actually make hip hop lyrically it takes brutal honesty. And if you make beats they need to have a pocket for the lyricist so it might spark an impulse for someone to write something to them. Not just doing a stank face to randomized drum hits and rc-20 and calling it "dilla swing". Or the sample rate cork sniffing with a straight grid chh chh chh chh on top. I notice that the people getting mad in the comment section either don't know what you're referring to or they're not listening and fill in the blanks. 👏
Bruh. A lot of it is nostalgia for that 90s sound we/I grew up with. Honestly the same can 100% be said about rock/alt rock. It literally sounds exactly the same to me as it did 20 years ago. As for the lofi sound, the aliasing of an SP1200 is a beautiful thing. Not many devices can emulate that and that’s why the P6 may be appealing. It’s like a vintage mic that colours the sound a certain way. You can’t tell me you only seek out mics with a completely transparent sound. As for instrumental ‘beat’ music? I often listen to a Dilla beat tape for its entirety and it’s a beautiful and hypnotic thing (and funky!). Every track doesn’t need to be a hit or something groundbreaking, creating a mood can be enough. And smoke some more weed lol
At times like this, we should listen to the wisdom of Bob Dylan when he stated.... *_"The world don't need any more songs... As a matter of fact, if nobody wrote any songs from this day on, the world ain't gonna suffer for it... There's enough songs for people to listen to, if they want to listen to songs. For every man, woman and child on earth, they could be sent, probably, each of them, a hundred songs, and never be repeated... Unless someone's gonna come along with a pure heart and has something to say. That's a different story."_*
100% agree. I have also being guilty of thinking that the equipment will save me from my ignorance. It is not the sampler, it is our perception of groove/ music and our ability to see the big picture. Are the intangibles things that matter.
Through my personal journey in beat making, I've come to the belief that the record labels are to blame for the horrible culture of "beatmaking". If you look at a majority of charting songs they all have half a dozen or more producers. Thats insane to me. They are hiring these kids to be studio rats. Some do drums, some just make samples, others might make it interesting, etc. I think they do it so they dont have to actually pay real artists. The artistry is lost in a lot of modern rap. Thats why i really love The Alchemist and others like him. They make real art. Al is in the studio with the artists and making full albums with them. Albums that ebb and flow and have artistic merit. The way it used to be. There are maybe a dozen beatmakers who i respect, but beatmaker is not even the real title they should have. They are truly producers. Thats the difference. Al, Daringer, Conductor, etc. They are holding the torch for real hip hop.
As a life long hip hop head I couldn't agree more... One of the biggest issues is these kids all use the same sample packs... all watch the same tutorial videos and all chase the same sound... Ive been at war with loop packs, monotony and even the quantize button in the past 5 years just because of how boring its become... Even the underground scene is trash now by in large... Its sad.
Same tech house, dnb, niche organ bassline..all of it..the past six years in particular have been truly despicable. I am lucky to find one banger out of 100-200 tracks..used to be every few releases back in the 90s.
beat making isn't flawed song making / incompetence per se. it's just two different disciplines. but yes, not everybody will get how true beat makers can nerd out over nuance differences between two different pressings of 'impeach the president'.
There’s this grey area where you’re new, you don’t know what’s possible, and there’s this intuitive sense of “I know this is a demo beat, it even sounds unfinished or different from commercial records, but imagine the possibilities!“ which is where the flashy lights and physical marketability of equipment comes in too. If a novice really saw the entirety of the production process from start to finish on a commercial record, they might not even want to be a producer/beat maker, or anything remotely close. Add to that if you don’t know anything about mixing, or you don’t know anything about mastering, on any level, you start to get seduced by the importance of tone/feel of different pieces of gear. “I guess I have to get a MPC 3000. I mean how could I not? That’s apparently what J Dilla used.” There’s so many young content creators surrounded by pieces of vintage gear and they’ve made zero progress on any real artistry, let alone to the point of conceptualizing an entire song. I mean it’s bizarre, watching videos of people vibing all the way out to entirely incomplete ideas. But you don’t know what you don’t know… hopefully people take your experience and insight seriously and don’t just call you an oldhead.. cause I’m starting to hear that word the older I get and it’s like “wow, cool, okay, thanks, good luck”
The people making these how to make a beat videos are not the same as the industry professionals working with artists and actually releasing songs. They don’t time to do both. The majority of people buying new gear are hobbyists, most professionals already have the gear that they’ve used to make a living on.
Product placement under the guise of tutorials is definitely a thing. Infomercials for new hardware that do everything your old one still does and even tries to recreate and emulate what your old one does while selling it as a new feature, 10 million different reverb and compression vsts that do everything the 10 million other reverb and compression vsts did before them and a bunch of marketing clips to sell a beatmaking course or a drum or sample pack.. making beats that are complex just to be complex with layers upon layers that no rapper is ever going to be able to find the pocket of to even spit on. The drive to create never ending content is just causing the same ideas and even content to be recycled endlessly with no innovation or originality and you literally never hear anybody on the beats they're making. There's no love there or genuine enthusiasm, just a push to make money. There's a few out there that are dope but they're mostly already respected beat makers. Conductor Williams is awesome because he'll show how he flipped the sample and built the track for a beat that an artist actually used, guys like him are few and far between though.
Oh man ! Homie took us to church! I agree with everything you said, the beat making community is just that, a community of people who do nothing but just make beats and they teach others how to just do that, make beats ....
The problem with product updates is universal. Roland keyboards are reissues of previous Roland keyboards. Yamaha keyboards are just incremental versions of past Yamahas. Korg adds a color, nicer knobs, and changes presets and we have a new Korg. I’m not made at them because they need to eat too. Both serious musicians, composers, and producers and the hobbyist needs to focus on the skills and not just the tools. If your music isn’t interesting to your target audience, new tools won’t fix it. New skills and new inspiration will.
I came here from another RUclipsr who was reacting to this and basically made excuses for everything he said. Being a music hobbyist is cool…but when people present their hobbies as a career for attention and then turn that attention into a career (RUclips videos and content creation) it skews the viewers perception of success. “To be successful I have to have the thing my favorite RUclipsr just endorsed because it has some cool feature.” And that’s crap. The appeal to Hip hop has always been in its simplicity. Adding new trick and tools don’t add simplicity…it just makes it more complicated. I found myself going down this rabbit hole of new products. Sound packs, softwares instruments and hardware tools that I thought would change everything and evolve my sound. Nope. The only thing that ever evolved my sound was sitting down and experimenting with the tools I’m already comfortable with and learning new techniques inside of them. Hip hop is being commercialized from every angle…even in production. I don’t see this in any other form of music. Great take.
Mixing in pro tools is still an amazing experience or we would say the best. However, producing in Pro Tools is not our thing, but surely a lot of people can do it.
Great video. I believe that many people want to be seen making music, horde gear to look cool and gain clout without any substance. RUclips has given a lot of these kinds of beat makers opportunities to make an audience by not changing anything. I also believe that the music companies have bought into additive manufacturing. Adding more stuff that is not needed while forgetting what they have created. Many analogue synth companies now do not give instructions on how to create preset sounds the company made but sell you on what it can do. That along with the quick incentive to do nothing great creates a clusterfudge of a situation.
Love this! 😆 You had the temerity to suggest that music isn't defined by the tools used to make it. You're absolutely right. Also, a mob of angry villagers is headed your way as we speak.
If you never thought the Casio SK-1 was inspiring, i guess the Roland P-6 isn’t your ticket. Koala sampler app and the P-6 are the most exciting pieces of software/hardware out right now. You can Boom Chaka laka if you want, but there are lots of other things you can do with them.
Simplicity! I'm a total hobbyist. I have my DAW and my midi, that's about it. I'd like to think I've made some decent music. The gear seems to be the star of the show because the music being made on some of these channels sounds terrible.
I make beats still .for the same reason my dad still picks up his guitar 🎸 even if I get no exposure and nobody ever hears my stuff..I’ll probably still gonna make beats. lol
This isn’t about Hip-Hop. This is more about talentless hacks taking payola from corporations to push stuff they probably don’t even believe in. There is plenty of incredible timeless Hip-Hop being made. But everyone has a platform now, so there are no gatekeepers maintaining the status quo. Gift and curse in one fell swoop. I’d love to jump in and talk shop, TB.
I like your rant, Sir! In my experience, 8/10 Hip Hop producers aren't Musicians. And that is a handicap, if what you're selling is MUSIC. Because, the consequence of being a Musician, is that you listen to, are inspired by, and learn from other genres of music. For example, Modern Metal. Metal drummers incorporate time signatures and rhythms from Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues, Traditional Arabic Music etc. Most Hip Hop producers aren't BRAVE enough to ''switch it up''.
Rant without glasses - wow! Mixerman swears by Lewits. I'm sticking with Studio One 6.6 the new stuff in 7 is beyond me - I'm trying to learn music that is enough complication! Have a good week'
Preach. I think that the "key" is pushing the gear. The whole reason a lot of this stuff we love exists is because people were getting creative with what they had. If you have the fanciest new sampler and all you are doing is coloring inside the lines to spit out the same thing people were doing back in the 90s then why even bother with the new gear? I almost think you'd be better off using the old ways. The guys pushing the boundaries on the new gear are far more interesting to me. And I don't like these people who feel like they are doing some kind of secret trick by sampling at 45 and then pitching it down. Sometimes that works lovely, and sometimes it just sounds terrible. You could go back and survey SP users in the 90s and I guarantee a lot of them would have preferred to sample in real time for a lot of things (and did sample in real time when they could get away with it.) It's more of a season to taste thing than just washing everything in "lo fi". All the while, I think people sleep on the workflow with some of these old samplers. Sound is only part of it. They all work a little different and sometimes its more about playing around within the sandbox that particular sampler offers. On the other hand, I'm cool with stems. The whole idea of "sample packs" bothers me more than stems. I just can't get with the idea of somebody else doing my digging for me, especially for anything melodic. Half of these beatmakers are just trying to sell their sample packs! It's basically like you got a thousand beatmakers and they all have the same crate of records. And you end up with unlimited choices instead of trying to work with what you've got. If you're going to sample, then put in the work and dig. You'll end up being more unique because your samples are all personalized. As for stems, they are pretty well embraced by the DJs and beatmakers I keep up with. I haven't leaped in yet but I admit that I've thought about it MANY times. We all have those situations where you want to sample song "X", but only the bass, or only the vocal, or whathaveyou. Producers have pretty much been dreaming of that since sampling began so it's kind of hard for me to hate on it. It's almost like the next evolution of sampling in mono from one channel because it happens to have a more isolated instrument. Anyway, I don't think it's going to be the gamechanger people think its going to be, but I can still get with stems.
[Austin Powers voice] I’m feeling ranty baby I do think there’s an inverse correlation between production value and worthwhile knowledge when it comes to music production videos (or I’m sorry - “content”). It gives the impression they’re spending more time on the videos than on the music itself
The worst thing Avid is pushing at the AES show is speech recognition software which types the words out of the audio file, on screen, for a producer to read, like they can't hear the lyric properly or they can't ask the vocalist in the booth what was sung and do a pick up from there. What an utter joke, Avid. They've done this just so they can squeeze the phrase AI technology, into their marketing package this year.
I don’t really agree with Tony, but to be fair I have an old Windows XP computer with old software from the mid 2000s that can still do everything needed to make hip hop today. My main argument would be whatever music it is that you play or make that the technology needed to make that music ends With the era that the music comes from. The only thing that has really changed is the ease and affordability to make said music. Now I do not need to spend $5000 on an MPC 60 an elaborate mixing board with a full rack of effects. Now it can be a simple as pulling my phone out of my pocket clicking the koala sampler tab popping in some headphones and anywhere can be your studio. But please stay out of traffic kids.😂
Taking the "boom, chaa" outta hip hop is like taking the guitar outta rock and roll...or that sax/trumpet outta jazz. I get what he trying to say, but there's more shit to complain about than the kick and the snare. lol.
Making music is hard therefore a large percentage of musicians opt to take the easy way. Unfortunately, the easy way isn’t usually the best way to great art.
Also as a note, a lot of those “beat makers” are multi platinum. I’m not sure what one should make of it, but there it is. So in a way it’s much worse than most of these people making inane beats just being hobbyists. Many of them are multi platinum on streaming platforms (aka modern radio) and those beats are some of the most listened to pieces of music in all of history. I think that’s far darker than mediocre beats that go nowhere. Mediocre beats that go everywhere seems so much more dismal.
The main issue is algorithms. Musicians finding their audience and the lack of care or help from these big platforms. Why make equipment for Musicians who are already miserable. Why not help them reach audiences and justify purchasing these pieces of gear. We don’t need A.I. to make the art but to help cultivate followers and beat algorithms. Literally everyone could have an audience but large corporations want to disenfranchise people who wish to make art, so that they can spend more time doing menial nine to five tasks. My suggestion is to not buy the products. Downplay useless A.I. tools that don’t help the business bottom line of Music Business and empower one another. The same people who loved Limewire and the free music model that sucked all the cash out of being indie musicians are the same people loving these A.I. tools that make all the music. It’s business at the end of the day but for some it’s the creation of art.
Also most people sample cus thats the roots of hiphop I don't sample much I work on making original compositions and it's a challenge but your average producer today just gets a sample pack and then they build drums to it.
Good rants lol - I agree with the Pro Tools thing for the most part (disclaimer: I'm very biased because of my past relationship with Avid); I've found that arguably there are possibly better options for recording like you said, but from post-recording and on, the Pro Tools workflow is just really really great. It is the oldest DAW of all current ones that I can think of, so it is still being built on top of essentially the same code from waaay back, which does lead to it being very finicky about what you try to integrate with it, or most commonly people trying to force using systems that are simply not compatible...but man if you're within the specs, that mixing workflow is just my favorite thing ever.
Studio One rocks! I cannot recommend it highly enough. Regarding your rant about "beatmakers" I feel you have about a 50% fully correct and indisputable view and the other half is just your unfamiliarity with the methodology. I used to share word for word your positions on sampling and remixing. I hopped down the rabbit hole because I had a rapper trying to get something started and I ran my ignorant mouth and said that would be easy because it's just chopping up pre-existing loops - turns out it was not easy because it is not just chopping up pre-existing loops. RUclips beatmakers are mostly glorified hobbyists, but let's be honest and respect the hustle. That "Boom tss ba boom boom tss" beat is tired tho.
Chucked a like on it! I like to make beats. Trying to have rappers to get them (it's pretty hard to find good newbies ) . As for machines I have 3 since forever and if I cant do with those I might have to just stop. As for stems, I can see where to use it but not a must. It's more challenging using sample fully. I think as for beats it should be up to finding the best samples that other don't have and sound good.
it seems the music equipment industry has been hyper-scalable since the late 90s early 00s. playing with recording equipment is a common place hobby. it's the Pareto distribution. how many pieces of equipment ever made have been part of a piece of music that's been heard by a significant number of people? on the other hand there's folk music. maybe folk means something different now.
if you take almost any electronic genre, it has turned into a duplication scene. Take Anjunadeep as a label for example; the artists reference a track from the label - copy the instrumentation, structure, tonal balance and vibe and then get a release on the label. I like some of the tunes, but it is variation on the same thing over and over. Anything else will not be signed to the label 🤣
I understand, but at the end of the day, it's the enjoyment of the music. Nobody needs a carbon-copy, but the vibe needs to be kept alive. There's a gazillion of graffiti-writers, but would you tell them to stop doing what they do because there's been Zephyr, Futura or Saber MSK ? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, the hipsters, haha. I feel you. But that's a thing that needs to be endured. Hipsterism is a problem in other genres as well, like Techno or HeavyMetal...
A good boom bap grove will never die. Agree that a lot of RUclips stuff is lackluster but it’s not the bpm or the drum pattern imo. TBH I wish more production would keep it simple instead of trying to constantly reinvent the wheel.
I Need a rant video about why music isnt what it used to be. What does that even mean? Where will it goes from now? How comes Even the Stars from yesterday which are still alive arent able to compose smash hits… why does music in general seems like it reaches an dead End ??
I get it. I have a MPC One Plus that I run with Reason. I've seen videos where a guy sampled into the P6 then sampled into the Live 2. I'm fine with what I have now
@@TonyBlackNYC it sounds silly but coming from a Boom Bap adjacent background, I do at the very least understand why they do that. It's to get the crunch that 12 and 8 bit samplers used to have.
You could just simply use what you were already using to make music and stop exploring new equipment. I think this is passive aggressive gaslighting to make room to diss hip hop producers in general. There are musicians whose introduction to music is through learning how to sample. THEN they learn true music theory as a result of them falling in love with the music creation process. How fortunate is our youth that they get to manipulate the big picture first...then see what's under the hood as they progress. All the while still having the same tools to make quality along the journey. I don't see a problem. If you lose all your placements to burnt-out hip-hop samples and beats...blame the LISTENER not the MUSICIAN. IF people didn't like it...they wouldn't buy it...and you wouldn't hear it. The reason they make that equipment and sample that way...Is because a market exists for it. That simple brother.
@@wokemovement5732lol go listen to the video again. But seriously though, I think the rant is about music being an excuse to sell tools rather than tools serving the music and creativity. Meaning overall quality becomes shit. Also, about companies coming up with nothing really innovative but making big noise out of gimmicky software that no one will care for about next year. I think you should listen to the video again with a different perspective. Also, you're not using the word gaslight correctly I think
@@Patrxck87 I used the term gaslighting correctly. I felt he was creating a narrative that didn’t exist which is hip hop producers have ruined music . They haven’t. There are many other factors that have contributed to the current state of music. So that perspective simply isn’t reality. And I felt he did this to establish some sense of self importance and credibility to his take. Which wasn’t even necessary. In terms of rewatching the video. I get your point about the premise of the video though. I think his frustration was definitely more aimed at the money grab these companies are doing to dupe uneducated producers into buying stuff they don’t need. So I agree there. That’s the issue with a rant. There is no overall message to drive home and a lot of people are confused and maybe defensive in terms of that confusion. I’m not the only one who had the same reaction…there’s a dude name busy work beats who did an even better job at deconstructing his argument and showing where every premise fell short. I may have missed the boat on his intention though. Which can happen when your thoughts aren’t organized. Write a script or something next time.
On the OBS topic you can click on obs virtual camera make a scene with the virtual cam basically the obs virtual cam will show everything u want to see all in one scene and then you can use zoom ig video calling Fb message video Or Facetime And the obs virtual cam will show any video your using to speak with someone just make sure you have the computer audio added to that scene.
I dont agree with the music sounding the same. But I agree with the music having the same elements: low fi, 808s, chopped samples, loops, etc. Plus most of it sounds amateurish af. Which means that anyone can duplicate or make similar, regardless of their skill level. That is why music production quality has declined over the past decade plus. I also agree that no full songs are coming out of it. Just hobby beat making instrumentals. Folks can buy all the MPCs and samplers they want. It will not get them closer to becoming an accomplished record producer with numerous song placements. Because most accomplished producers didnt need all those bs samplers, loops, drum packs, or technology to create classic songs and albums. Amateur producers got all that s8&& and still cant create quality production that will be placed with accomplished signed recording artists.
So you're saying that the bar is incredibly low for artists and producers to reach and get over? I'd say that every genre gets oversaturated at some point. The fun part is when you're someone who wants to make music without really a predetermined sound or destination. Have fun. Mess up. Don't do it because you're trying to make what everybody else is doing because you think people will like you more.
The reason why they all pop up is that Roland wants to sell a cartload off P6's while we all know that the only P6 worth having is a Rover P6 V8. Indeed, the 1 kwintillionth iteration of a boom bap beat is as boring as hell. But let's not beat about the bush (no pun intended). Popmusic (and rap is part of that) does not strive on originality since the turn of the century. It thrives on industry plants that are sold via tiktok, soundcloud, spotify, etc. Now and then, a real talent shines through. But these are rare and far between. In simple words, pop music is dead (or at least on heavy life support). So let's merrily boom, chak, boom, boom, chak, and add to the pile of aural menure. And Charles 13X, you could be on to something. Yes, indeed you could. And have a nice sunday you all.
I had a feeling this comment section was gonna light up!
@@TonyBlackNYC could you please do one for FL Studio 🙏
I don't have any experience with it
@TonyBlackNYC "if you build it, they will come" 😉
I agree with you not only for Hiphop but also Trap, I really don't see the point of remaking the same exact beat, thats why when I'm making a production and I require that beat I just take a pre made drum loop either My own or someone else's and use that. I don't see the point of wasting My time making the exact same beat over and over. I just use the drum loop change the effects, add some exrtra drums onto. I do also play in drums that might be redoing whats already been done but I do it because I want that natural off grid swing. The melodies and chords and music I compose ontop are the most important thing to Me, and the drums just help the flow and rhythm of that instrumental I'm trying to go for. Long comment but very interesting topic.
Hiphop gonna be alright. Big Money killed it, not snares
Underground hip hop is ok. Mainstream hip hop has not sounded good since the mid 00s
MISGUIDED BLOWHARD WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP…
@@dianevrules I agree 1000% 🎯
Hip Hop died in the 90s
Tony woke up today and chose violence… I’m here for it all 😅😄🍿
strong coffee!
Us newer guys have been complaining about how old head and boom cappers for the longest time. Not cause if their resistance to change or innovation but because they wanna say we’re not “real” or good by pushing the hip hop sound.
people selling something but nothing of substance.
enjoy your Sunday
Your rant is our rant. You've spoken for many of us.
*This is NOT a Hip Hop channel, This is a RANT channel*
Speak your mind my friend, we all feel the same way.
There is boring and uninspired music in every era, across every genre. There might be more boring stuff to sift through now that the equipment is cheap and readily available, but I'd say thats a good thing overall. Many people who make music are hobbyists, not musicians trying to "make it".
Let people sound the same, it only makes the unique artists shine brighter.
The hobbyists are the ones with heart and soul. The ones trying to get big are just creating noise.
Of course It is a hobby for many. But even if you take oil painting as a hobby you still might meet people locally at the library or rec center, try to come up with subjects close to your heart and share something about yourself. I find it weird how a music hobby just becomes collecting so easily. Theres something very similar to retro game collectors to the boom bap sampler hobbyists. After you get your new machine and the technical problems solved, zip disks formatted and all, you’ve done your demo and the machine just sits there ready for use it’s kind of a bummer 😂
Social media is the root cause of a lot of this behavior.
I’d be willing to bet that 8 out 10 participants in hip-hop right now don’t have a genuine affinity for the culture, music and its history. - What they do have is a very strong desire to be popular and/or famous.
Most of these people who have channels of themselves making the same beat over and over again don’t have any real love for Hip-Hop, they’re simply using Hip-Hop as a tool to create “content” for whatever platform they’re on because they’re seeking admiration from strangers via subscribers/followers/engagement in hopes of making their dreams come true of being an established name.
A lot of artists today are unfortunately for the most part nothing more than glorified influencers.
you're not wrong
I don't think making jazzy boom bap beats will get you rich or famous. If I talk about chopped soul samples and boom bap drums at work 99.9% of the people won't know what I'm talking about. The personalized algorhythms have got you thinking half the population has bought an MPC and are making 90s hiphop. The shit ain't populair. If somebody is gonna shell out hundreds or sometimes more than thousands of dollars for samplers and they're making boom bap beats I actually think that they're freaks who really love that sound. It's actually not a hip thing to do. Yeah of course they want views and want to get paid some money but to say these people are looking for an easy way to get rich is laughable. If you wanna make money make trap beats on a laptop or better yet in 2024 make country music or pop.
@@abcd-zh9om I agree with your statement that boom bap beats aren't as popular as trap beats. However, ,y comment wasn't specific to anyone making boom bap beats specifically.
My point is that a lot of music is monotonous now because the investment to entry is almost nothing.
Once upon a time, if you wanted to invest in your skillset and take a real shot at making it you had to put your money where you mouth is.
e.g. A roll of 2" tape in 1994 cost $200 a roll ($424 in 2024 dollars) and that roll had a lifespan, you couldn't just record unlimited takes until you got what you wanted. You could only record to it X amount of times before the tape went bad and you had to buy a new roll. -- This doesn't include the cost of studio time, paying an engineer to run the session their hourly rate or what you paid the composer (pRoDuceR) for his beat.
Today a person can wake up at for their 2nd day of high school and beg their parents for a Hip-Hop-In-A-Box kit that comes with an interface, headphones, a mic, mic stand, cables, studio monitors and a DAW for under $1,000 and upload their undeveloped skills to the endless sea of cocky mediocrity via DistroKid and have their music in the same retail space as someone who spent their whole life developing their craft.
By the way, despite boom bap beats not being the popular wave on a grand scale, the audience for those type of beat makers big enough on spaces like TikTok for those "content" creators to thrive. -- It's the reason why they're chasing the content dragon to become an influencer. Someone out there is paying their bills by making the same copy and paste beat over and over again and it's attracting more and more people to try their hand at it.
Those boom bap beats may not be what charts but artists like Roc Marciano and the Griselda guys have made a lane for them to still be appreciated and sold/licensed. Might be niche but it's still popular.
@@JustAUsername-i5l Yeah and most people who like that type of hiphop aren't the average music fans. Usually people who dig deeper and really like the music and than some go and buy gear and want to make it and than some showcase this on youtube. I think most do really like the stuff they're making and not only in it for a quick buck. Just because you suck at it doesn't mean you don't genuinely like it. I thinks most do.
The Short Answer is Yes
The Long Answer is YES
Thank you Tony
These RUclips clowns are picking the bones of a long dead carcass… I’m so glad you’re speaking from experience… the internet has LITERALLY taken the soul out of everything…. Eventually it will take all of the human soul…
I love hip hop for its soul, jazz, funk influence. Seems that’s hard to come by now.
@Davblazer i think ai tools like samplette and sample packs make the process ridiculously easy, and nobody actually knows how to find music anymore. Nobody has a specific style or type of music they like to sample or make, they just turn on the ai, no brain matter needed.
Samplette can literally pick which country, key, bpm, style, and instrumentation to find samples, its ridiculously easy
Everybody is making beats, nobody is making songs.
💯...this is what I am not getting. What is up with all this beat making stuff? What has happened to making songs?
@@MrCJ-lc9ru Many people make songs. songs are all over the place, The top 40 is filled with country and pop songs and a few hiphop songs too. I read that 100.000 songs are uploaded to spotify and other streaming platforms. Everyday! These are not only beats. Step out of your algorhthym.
I said this so manny times everyone on youtube with all that gear makes trash music. They like to show off gear but beats are TRASH. Same on instagram all this vintage gear but the music is bad. People are more in to gear than music these days...
THE POINT IS 4 THINGS:
1ST THE SAMPLERS HAVE TOTALLY EVOLVED FROM THE OLD SAMPLERS.
2ND IT'S AFFORDABLE.
3RD IT'S ANALOG
4TH EVERYTHING IS GOING BACK TO 99 PERCENT ANALOG EQUIPMENT, VINYL RECORDS, CD'S AND TAPES.
AND THAT WILL PUT A 100 PERCENT OF OWNERSHIP IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT PRODUCED AND WROTE THE MUSIC.
GO LOOK AT CHINA, THEY HAVE STARTED MASS PRODUCTION OF RECORD PLAYERS, CD PLAYERS, AND TAPE RECORDERS.
SO YOUNG PRODUCERS AND SONG WRITER'S IT'S YOUR TIME TO REALLY BE INDEPENDENT, WITHOUT HAVING TO USE/PAY SPOTIFY OR RUclips TO MAKE MONEY.
BECAUSE NOW YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELL PHYSICAL COPIES OF YOUR MUSIC, DIRECT TO THE CONSUMER.
How many times are we going to watch an old dude rant at the camera on RUclips. I mean hasn't that been done already? 😂
Tony, "Obligatory hipster goatee?!" That was a classic line (and true!)!
I guess it's like a hot dog. I like hot dogs, I don't typically go and get creative hot dogs. Sometimes i get a fancy hot dog with a bunch of different toppings - sometimes i just want a hot dog with ketchup even if it's the same hot dog I've always got. The goal isn't really to be super creative all the time, sometimes you just make stuff. Most of the time it will be iterative or the same as stuff that's already been made, it doesn't matter. If you're making at all, thats more than most human beings on the planet.
Hip Hop producers now are loop makers, when the greats were record makers and the DJs were record breakers. Hip Hop is boring, there is nothing exciting out there. Records like Naughty' s OPP will stand the test of time, tracks today will be forgotten.
I'm new to hiphop and boombap, so everything seems fresh and exciting.
Studio One is awesome. Logic still does little weird things constantly that drive me insane. Like randomly dropping certain key commands, adding a few samples at the end of a region, the automation doesnt actually snap to the grid, sonically. ect ect. Studio One just works.
Boom...bap..boom..ba..boom...bap 4ever
and fuzz
@@TonyBlackNYC well, of course.
"I'm killing everybody, I'm killing it all"😂
It might've been my best work
I still can't stop laughing that someone would actually buy a beat lol..that is so sad!! Like me paying for a guitar riff!! Kiss my ass!!
I’d argue that the overwhelming bulk of people making music on youtube and uploading to soundcloud, etc, are hobbyists, a large percentage of those have a vague hope/dream of getting “somewhere”, but no real career plan.
There’s a lot of gray in between.
I personally don’t care who is doing what, or for what reason. I think the rants about “no good music” or, frankly stupid and pointless. It’s yelling at traffic.
I don’t like vast majority of most media, or if I do, it doesn’t hit me on a level where I’m deeply invested.
The beauty of the modern era is that we can only ever listen to whatever we want, when we want, and I just plain don’t hear the stuff I don’t like, because I can curate my own media bubble, and venture out whenever I feel to find something new.
There’s always been a sea of chaff out there in the midst of the wheat. It was just that most of us the chaff was being sorted through established industry channels, even on an underground level, and fewer people had access to create and publish music for public consumption.
And yes, there’s still new boom bap being created, with simple drum patterns, that’s also dope as fuck.
Well said!
I really enjoy figuring out different workflows. The beats coming out of all of my different machines might not be groundbreaking, but I really enjoy the process. But, yes, some people hype new gear like its something they need to develop their skill, and end up doing the same thing over and over again 😅. Especially the content creators out here on youtube. Most of em can’t even make a decent beat.
Thanks for the video again!
Love you brother! You spoke every single word I think about in my subconscious!
These doods are just fetishizing the old days… I’m sorry those days are gone.
I hate the RUclips MPC community, it’s just a circle jerk of everyone doing the same Danm thing!
The beats are lackluster at best.
They spend too much time setting up cameras rather than spending time to make a finished product.
Finally, a clear objective perspective on who we are and what we are doing as a people . Thank you kind Sir for your oh r much needed input. I Love New York City!
It's fan fiction.
No one is rapping to these beats, except the same Biggie acapellas they always slap on top of them. Maybe an occasional Big L. What is common with the two Bigs is that they both had a limited time as artists, were tied to a certain era and style and, with all due respect, had a pretty straight, monotonic cadence, which you could add on top of the sound of a washing machine or a punching bag and it would fit.
To actually make hip hop lyrically it takes brutal honesty. And if you make beats they need to have a pocket for the lyricist so it might spark an impulse for someone to write something to them. Not just doing a stank face to randomized drum hits and rc-20 and calling it "dilla swing". Or the sample rate cork sniffing with a straight grid chh chh chh chh on top.
I notice that the people getting mad in the comment section either don't know what you're referring to or they're not listening and fill in the blanks. 👏
Bruh. A lot of it is nostalgia for that 90s sound we/I grew up with. Honestly the same can 100% be said about rock/alt rock. It literally sounds exactly the same to me as it did 20 years ago. As for the lofi sound, the aliasing of an SP1200 is a beautiful thing. Not many devices can emulate that and that’s why the P6 may be appealing. It’s like a vintage mic that colours the sound a certain way. You can’t tell me you only seek out mics with a completely transparent sound. As for instrumental ‘beat’ music? I often listen to a Dilla beat tape for its entirety and it’s a beautiful and hypnotic thing (and funky!). Every track doesn’t need to be a hit or something groundbreaking, creating a mood can be enough. And smoke some more weed lol
At times like this, we should listen to the wisdom of Bob Dylan when he stated....
*_"The world don't need any more songs... As a matter of fact, if nobody wrote any songs from this day on, the world ain't gonna suffer for it... There's enough songs for people to listen to, if they want to listen to songs. For every man, woman and child on earth, they could be sent, probably, each of them, a hundred songs, and never be repeated... Unless someone's gonna come along with a pure heart and has something to say. That's a different story."_*
100% agree. I have also being guilty of thinking that the equipment will save me from my ignorance. It is not the sampler, it is our perception of groove/ music and our ability to see the big picture. Are the intangibles things that matter.
If you're not finding the good stuff, its because you're not listening to it.
Through my personal journey in beat making, I've come to the belief that the record labels are to blame for the horrible culture of "beatmaking". If you look at a majority of charting songs they all have half a dozen or more producers. Thats insane to me. They are hiring these kids to be studio rats. Some do drums, some just make samples, others might make it interesting, etc. I think they do it so they dont have to actually pay real artists. The artistry is lost in a lot of modern rap.
Thats why i really love The Alchemist and others like him. They make real art. Al is in the studio with the artists and making full albums with them. Albums that ebb and flow and have artistic merit. The way it used to be. There are maybe a dozen beatmakers who i respect, but beatmaker is not even the real title they should have. They are truly producers. Thats the difference. Al, Daringer, Conductor, etc. They are holding the torch for real hip hop.
As a life long hip hop head I couldn't agree more... One of the biggest issues is these kids all use the same sample packs... all watch the same tutorial videos and all chase the same sound... Ive been at war with loop packs, monotony and even the quantize button in the past 5 years just because of how boring its become... Even the underground scene is trash now by in large... Its sad.
Same tech house, dnb, niche organ bassline..all of it..the past six years in particular have been truly despicable. I am lucky to find one banger out of 100-200 tracks..used to be every few releases back in the 90s.
beat making isn't flawed song making / incompetence per se. it's just two different disciplines. but yes, not everybody will get how true beat makers can nerd out over nuance differences between two different pressings of 'impeach the president'.
I guess a lot of people make beats the way a guitar player strums. It’s going no where just personal pleasure to play an instrument I guess.
Halfway through the rant I thought “Yup.. I’ve had days like this” 😂😂😂. I really hope the day got better.
You and me both!
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND 50 YEARS LATER…..WE ASRE STILL HERE
The Avid AI transcription tool is aimed at film industry and VO people working on dialog.
There’s this grey area where you’re new, you don’t know what’s possible, and there’s this intuitive sense of “I know this is a demo beat, it even sounds unfinished or different from commercial records, but imagine the possibilities!“ which is where the flashy lights and physical marketability of equipment comes in too.
If a novice really saw the entirety of the production process from start to finish on a commercial record, they might not even want to be a producer/beat maker, or anything remotely close.
Add to that if you don’t know anything about mixing, or you don’t know anything about mastering, on any level, you start to get seduced by the importance of tone/feel of different pieces of gear. “I guess I have to get a MPC 3000. I mean how could I not? That’s apparently what J Dilla used.”
There’s so many young content creators surrounded by pieces of vintage gear and they’ve made zero progress on any real artistry, let alone to the point of conceptualizing an entire song.
I mean it’s bizarre, watching videos of people vibing all the way out to entirely incomplete ideas. But you don’t know what you don’t know… hopefully people take your experience and insight seriously and don’t just call you an oldhead.. cause I’m starting to hear that word the older I get and it’s like “wow, cool, okay, thanks, good luck”
The people making these how to make a beat videos are not the same as the industry professionals working with artists and actually releasing songs. They don’t time to do both. The majority of people buying new gear are hobbyists, most professionals already have the gear that they’ve used to make a living on.
Product placement under the guise of tutorials is definitely a thing. Infomercials for new hardware that do everything your old one still does and even tries to recreate and emulate what your old one does while selling it as a new feature, 10 million different reverb and compression vsts that do everything the 10 million other reverb and compression vsts did before them and a bunch of marketing clips to sell a beatmaking course or a drum or sample pack.. making beats that are complex just to be complex with layers upon layers that no rapper is ever going to be able to find the pocket of to even spit on.
The drive to create never ending content is just causing the same ideas and even content to be recycled endlessly with no innovation or originality and you literally never hear anybody on the beats they're making. There's no love there or genuine enthusiasm, just a push to make money.
There's a few out there that are dope but they're mostly already respected beat makers. Conductor Williams is awesome because he'll show how he flipped the sample and built the track for a beat that an artist actually used, guys like him are few and far between though.
Oh man ! Homie took us to church! I agree with everything you said, the beat making community is just that, a community of people who do nothing but just make beats and they teach others how to just do that, make beats ....
The problem with product updates is universal. Roland keyboards are reissues of previous Roland keyboards. Yamaha keyboards are just incremental versions of past Yamahas. Korg adds a color, nicer knobs, and changes presets and we have a new Korg.
I’m not made at them because they need to eat too. Both serious musicians, composers, and producers and the hobbyist needs to focus on the skills and not just the tools.
If your music isn’t interesting to your target audience, new tools won’t fix it. New skills and new inspiration will.
I came here from another RUclipsr who was reacting to this and basically made excuses for everything he said. Being a music hobbyist is cool…but when people present their hobbies as a career for attention and then turn that attention into a career (RUclips videos and content creation) it skews the viewers perception of success. “To be successful I have to have the thing my favorite RUclipsr just endorsed because it has some cool feature.”
And that’s crap. The appeal to Hip hop has always been in its simplicity. Adding new trick and tools don’t add simplicity…it just makes it more complicated.
I found myself going down this rabbit hole of new products. Sound packs, softwares instruments and hardware tools that I thought would change everything and evolve my sound.
Nope. The only thing that ever evolved my sound was sitting down and experimenting with the tools I’m already comfortable with and learning new techniques inside of them.
Hip hop is being commercialized from every angle…even in production. I don’t see this in any other form of music.
Great take.
I'd be interested in who the youtuber is, or where this reaction is...fun
@@TonyBlackNYC Maybe you search your name & put the filter for a week.
@@TonyBlackNYCbusy works bears reacted to this
This is the truth all of people need to hear
"You're frustrated with the machine cause you can't make the same beat over and over again" lmaooooooooo
Mixing in pro tools is still an amazing experience or we would say the best. However, producing in Pro Tools is not our thing, but surely a lot of people can do it.
Great video. I believe that many people want to be seen making music, horde gear to look cool and gain clout without any substance. RUclips has given a lot of these kinds of beat makers opportunities to make an audience by not changing anything. I also believe that the music companies have bought into additive manufacturing. Adding more stuff that is not needed while forgetting what they have created. Many analogue synth companies now do not give instructions on how to create preset sounds the company made but sell you on what it can do. That along with the quick incentive to do nothing great creates a clusterfudge of a situation.
Love this! 😆 You had the temerity to suggest that music isn't defined by the tools used to make it. You're absolutely right. Also, a mob of angry villagers is headed your way as we speak.
LOL...I see that! No one is defending AVID though, and I really trashed them...all good fun
I came to agree! Lol
Love my Analog Rytm MKII but miss my MPC 1000.
If you never thought the Casio SK-1 was inspiring, i guess the Roland P-6 isn’t your ticket. Koala sampler app and the P-6 are the most exciting pieces of software/hardware out right now. You can Boom Chaka laka if you want, but there are lots of other things you can do with them.
and the RZ-1
Good rant! Keep ‘em coming! 😎
Simplicity! I'm a total hobbyist. I have my DAW and my midi, that's about it. I'd like to think I've made some decent music. The gear seems to be the star of the show because the music being made on some of these channels sounds terrible.
I make beats still .for the same reason my dad still picks up his guitar 🎸 even if I get no exposure and nobody ever hears my stuff..I’ll probably still gonna make beats. lol
This isn’t about Hip-Hop. This is more about talentless hacks taking payola from corporations to push stuff they probably don’t even believe in. There is plenty of incredible timeless Hip-Hop being made. But everyone has a platform now, so there are no gatekeepers maintaining the status quo. Gift and curse in one fell swoop. I’d love to jump in and talk shop, TB.
I like your rant, Sir! In my experience, 8/10 Hip Hop producers aren't Musicians. And that is a handicap, if what you're selling is MUSIC. Because, the consequence of being a Musician, is that you listen to, are inspired by, and learn from other genres of music. For example, Modern Metal. Metal drummers incorporate time signatures and rhythms from Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues, Traditional Arabic Music etc.
Most Hip Hop producers aren't BRAVE enough to ''switch it up''.
Bullshit
Rant without glasses - wow! Mixerman swears by Lewits. I'm sticking with Studio One 6.6 the new stuff in 7 is beyond me - I'm trying to learn music that is enough complication! Have a good week'
Handsome Tony Black spitting facts even without the glasses 😅😂
Preach. I think that the "key" is pushing the gear. The whole reason a lot of this stuff we love exists is because people were getting creative with what they had. If you have the fanciest new sampler and all you are doing is coloring inside the lines to spit out the same thing people were doing back in the 90s then why even bother with the new gear? I almost think you'd be better off using the old ways. The guys pushing the boundaries on the new gear are far more interesting to me.
And I don't like these people who feel like they are doing some kind of secret trick by sampling at 45 and then pitching it down. Sometimes that works lovely, and sometimes it just sounds terrible. You could go back and survey SP users in the 90s and I guarantee a lot of them would have preferred to sample in real time for a lot of things (and did sample in real time when they could get away with it.) It's more of a season to taste thing than just washing everything in "lo fi". All the while, I think people sleep on the workflow with some of these old samplers. Sound is only part of it. They all work a little different and sometimes its more about playing around within the sandbox that particular sampler offers.
On the other hand, I'm cool with stems. The whole idea of "sample packs" bothers me more than stems. I just can't get with the idea of somebody else doing my digging for me, especially for anything melodic. Half of these beatmakers are just trying to sell their sample packs! It's basically like you got a thousand beatmakers and they all have the same crate of records. And you end up with unlimited choices instead of trying to work with what you've got. If you're going to sample, then put in the work and dig. You'll end up being more unique because your samples are all personalized. As for stems, they are pretty well embraced by the DJs and beatmakers I keep up with. I haven't leaped in yet but I admit that I've thought about it MANY times. We all have those situations where you want to sample song "X", but only the bass, or only the vocal, or whathaveyou. Producers have pretty much been dreaming of that since sampling began so it's kind of hard for me to hate on it. It's almost like the next evolution of sampling in mono from one channel because it happens to have a more isolated instrument. Anyway, I don't think it's going to be the gamechanger people think its going to be, but I can still get with stems.
good stuff
[Austin Powers voice]
I’m feeling ranty baby
I do think there’s an inverse correlation between production value and worthwhile knowledge when it comes to music production videos (or I’m sorry - “content”).
It gives the impression they’re spending more time on the videos than on the music itself
A big huge YES to this, thanks for saying this. Glad I saw this video.
The worst thing Avid is pushing at the AES show is speech recognition software which types the words out of the audio file, on screen, for a producer to read, like they can't hear the lyric properly or they can't ask the vocalist in the booth what was sung and do a pick up from there. What an utter joke, Avid. They've done this just so they can squeeze the phrase AI technology, into their marketing package this year.
I don’t really agree with Tony, but to be fair I have an old Windows XP computer with old software from the mid 2000s that can still do everything needed to make hip hop today.
My main argument would be whatever music it is that you play or make that the technology needed to make that music ends With the era that the music comes from.
The only thing that has really changed is the ease and affordability to make said music.
Now I do not need to spend $5000 on an MPC 60 an elaborate mixing board with a full rack of effects.
Now it can be a simple as pulling my phone out of my pocket clicking the koala sampler tab popping in some headphones and anywhere can be your studio. But please stay out of traffic kids.😂
Taking the "boom, chaa" outta hip hop is like taking the guitar outta rock and roll...or that sax/trumpet outta jazz. I get what he trying to say, but there's more shit to complain about than the kick and the snare. lol.
Conundrum of the Day: The machines got smart, and the people got dumb, but didn't the people make the machines 😅
How do we escape this ouroboros?
Your choices are the Matrix or the desert of the real.
Making music is hard therefore a large percentage of musicians opt to take the easy way. Unfortunately, the easy way isn’t usually the best way to great art.
Also as a note, a lot of those “beat makers” are multi platinum. I’m not sure what one should make of it, but there it is. So in a way it’s much worse than most of these people making inane beats just being hobbyists. Many of them are multi platinum on streaming platforms (aka modern radio) and those beats are some of the most listened to pieces of music in all of history. I think that’s far darker than mediocre beats that go nowhere. Mediocre beats that go everywhere seems so much more dismal.
The main issue is algorithms. Musicians finding their audience and the lack of care or help from these big platforms. Why make equipment for Musicians who are already miserable. Why not help them reach audiences and justify purchasing these pieces of gear. We don’t need A.I. to make the art but to help cultivate followers and beat algorithms. Literally everyone could have an audience but large corporations want to disenfranchise people who wish to make art, so that they can spend more time doing menial nine to five tasks. My suggestion is to not buy the products. Downplay useless A.I. tools that don’t help the business bottom line of Music Business and empower one another. The same people who loved Limewire and the free music model that sucked all the cash out of being indie musicians are the same people loving these A.I. tools that make all the music. It’s business at the end of the day but for some it’s the creation of art.
Also most people sample cus thats the roots of hiphop I don't sample much I work on making original compositions and it's a challenge but your average producer today just gets a sample pack and then they build drums to it.
Tony says.....less Boom Bap......more Sexy Red...
what?!
I'm joking lol
Sometimes you gotta pop out and .....
Good rants lol - I agree with the Pro Tools thing for the most part (disclaimer: I'm very biased because of my past relationship with Avid); I've found that arguably there are possibly better options for recording like you said, but from post-recording and on, the Pro Tools workflow is just really really great. It is the oldest DAW of all current ones that I can think of, so it is still being built on top of essentially the same code from waaay back, which does lead to it being very finicky about what you try to integrate with it, or most commonly people trying to force using systems that are simply not compatible...but man if you're within the specs, that mixing workflow is just my favorite thing ever.
preach brother tell the truth!
so sad this generation dont have to pay 6months of rent to afford a decent sampler.
you're right...an mpc3000 was about 4 months rent (NYC) back in the day
Appreciate it T. Enjoy your day!!
Great video 👍 I can't wait Tony to hear your thoughts on the lewett 440 pure, I have that same mic
Coming soon!
Studio One rocks! I cannot recommend it highly enough.
Regarding your rant about "beatmakers" I feel you have about a 50% fully correct and indisputable view and the other half is just your unfamiliarity with the methodology. I used to share word for word your positions on sampling and remixing. I hopped down the rabbit hole because I had a rapper trying to get something started and I ran my ignorant mouth and said that would be easy because it's just chopping up pre-existing loops - turns out it was not easy because it is not just chopping up pre-existing loops. RUclips beatmakers are mostly glorified hobbyists, but let's be honest and respect the hustle.
That "Boom tss ba boom boom tss" beat is tired tho.
Chucked a like on it! I like to make beats. Trying to have rappers to get them (it's pretty hard to find good newbies ) . As for machines I have 3 since forever and if I cant do with those I might have to just stop. As for stems, I can see where to use it but not a must. It's more challenging using sample fully.
I think as for beats it should be up to finding the best samples that other don't have and sound good.
it seems the music equipment industry has been hyper-scalable since the late 90s early 00s. playing with recording equipment is a common place hobby. it's the Pareto distribution. how many pieces of equipment ever made have been part of a piece of music that's been heard by a significant number of people? on the other hand there's folk music. maybe folk means something different now.
Legendary talk 👏👏
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@@TonyBlackNYC na.. you’re a legend
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The RUclips hustle.
There isn’t good music?! Where have you been putting your ears?
if you take almost any electronic genre, it has turned into a duplication scene. Take Anjunadeep as a label for example; the artists reference a track from the label - copy the instrumentation, structure, tonal balance and vibe and then get a release on the label. I like some of the tunes, but it is variation on the same thing over and over. Anything else will not be signed to the label 🤣
I understand, but at the end of the day, it's the enjoyment of the music. Nobody needs a carbon-copy, but the vibe needs to be kept alive. There's a gazillion of graffiti-writers, but would you tell them to stop doing what they do because there's been Zephyr, Futura or Saber MSK ? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, the hipsters, haha. I feel you. But that's a thing that needs to be endured. Hipsterism is a problem in other genres as well, like Techno or HeavyMetal...
bitwig is the best, modular rabbit hole
A good boom bap grove will never die. Agree that a lot of RUclips stuff is lackluster but it’s not the bpm or the drum pattern imo. TBH I wish more production would keep it simple instead of trying to constantly reinvent the wheel.
Lots of hit dogs in here today.😂😂😂
I Need a rant video about why music isnt what it used to be. What does that even mean? Where will it goes from now? How comes Even the Stars from yesterday which are still alive arent able to compose smash hits… why does music in general seems like it reaches an dead End ??
Please stop making beats as the thumbnail is crazy! I love it.
And, I'll hide this truth in a reply. TIL about 16 Levels 😳
I nailed the thumbnail game!
I get it. I have a MPC One Plus that I run with Reason. I've seen videos where a guy sampled into the P6 then sampled into the Live 2. I'm fine with what I have now
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@@TonyBlackNYC it sounds silly but coming from a Boom Bap adjacent background, I do at the very least understand why they do that. It's to get the crunch that 12 and 8 bit samplers used to have.
You could just simply use what you were already using to make music and stop exploring new equipment. I think this is passive aggressive gaslighting to make room to diss hip hop producers in general. There are musicians whose introduction to music is through learning how to sample. THEN they learn true music theory as a result of them falling in love with the music creation process. How fortunate is our youth that they get to manipulate the big picture first...then see what's under the hood as they progress. All the while still having the same tools to make quality along the journey. I don't see a problem. If you lose all your placements to burnt-out hip-hop samples and beats...blame the LISTENER not the MUSICIAN. IF people didn't like it...they wouldn't buy it...and you wouldn't hear it. The reason they make that equipment and sample that way...Is because a market exists for it. That simple brother.
pretty far off the mark, but appreciate it.
@@TonyBlackNYC right…well I’m not here to be combative. Please tell me where I’m lost so I can understand your perspective better.
@@wokemovement5732lol go listen to the video again. But seriously though, I think the rant is about music being an excuse to sell tools rather than tools serving the music and creativity. Meaning overall quality becomes shit. Also, about companies coming up with nothing really innovative but making big noise out of gimmicky software that no one will care for about next year. I think you should listen to the video again with a different perspective. Also, you're not using the word gaslight correctly I think
@@Patrxck87 I used the term gaslighting correctly. I felt he was creating a narrative that didn’t exist which is hip hop producers have ruined music . They haven’t. There are many other factors that have contributed to the current state of music. So that perspective simply isn’t reality. And I felt he did this to establish some sense of self importance and credibility to his take. Which wasn’t even necessary.
In terms of rewatching the video. I get your point about the premise of the video though. I think his frustration was definitely more aimed at the money grab these companies are doing to dupe uneducated producers into buying stuff they don’t need.
So I agree there.
That’s the issue with a rant. There is no overall message to drive home and a lot of people are confused and maybe defensive in terms of that confusion.
I’m not the only one who had the same reaction…there’s a dude name busy work beats who did an even better job at deconstructing his argument and showing where every premise fell short. I may have missed the boat on his intention though. Which can happen when your thoughts aren’t organized. Write a script or something next time.
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I'm having more of a PT and UA Audio issue...thanks
Tony been watching too much Weaver Beats lately 😂
Not him...but its a good guess!
Oh look. Another RUclipsr rant video... becuse the rant videos get more traction than the music.
I dont agree with the music sounding the same. But I agree with the music having the same elements: low fi, 808s, chopped samples, loops, etc. Plus most of it sounds amateurish af. Which means that anyone can duplicate or make similar, regardless of their skill level. That is why music production quality has declined over the past decade plus. I also agree that no full songs are coming out of it. Just hobby beat making instrumentals. Folks can buy all the MPCs and samplers they want. It will not get them closer to becoming an accomplished record producer with numerous song placements. Because most accomplished producers didnt need all those bs samplers, loops, drum packs, or technology to create classic songs and albums. Amateur producers got all that s8&& and still cant create quality production that will be placed with accomplished signed recording artists.
ohh heck ! It's a hip hop rant channel 😂😂😂
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So you're saying that the bar is incredibly low for artists and producers to reach and get over? I'd say that every genre gets oversaturated at some point. The fun part is when you're someone who wants to make music without really a predetermined sound or destination. Have fun. Mess up. Don't do it because you're trying to make what everybody else is doing because you think people will like you more.
The reason why they all pop up is that Roland wants to sell a cartload off P6's while we all know that the only P6 worth having is a Rover P6 V8. Indeed, the 1 kwintillionth iteration of a boom bap beat is as boring as hell. But let's not beat about the bush (no pun intended). Popmusic (and rap is part of that) does not strive on originality since the turn of the century. It thrives on industry plants that are sold via tiktok, soundcloud, spotify, etc. Now and then, a real talent shines through. But these are rare and far between. In simple words, pop music is dead (or at least on heavy life support). So let's merrily boom, chak, boom, boom, chak, and add to the pile of aural menure. And Charles 13X, you could be on to something. Yes, indeed you could.
And have a nice sunday you all.
I am very distracted from your words of wisdom because I really want to play that jazzbox with the p90 neck pick-up sitting behind you
I'll be playing it today!