Not sure if anyone has mentioned that this helmet has a lock feature ! Double click at the open position will lock in place and not fall down with the added weight of go pro , not sure if the op realised that either 👍🏻
To clarify, I think you mean there are two detent levels (rather than a double-click) when opening the chin guard. Open it to the first detent as you generally would, and then push is back a little further (with more force) to engage the second detent (or lock as you've described it). You'll know you've engaged that second detent when you try to close the helmet back up again-- it requires a much firmer pull to disengage that "lock" position and return the chin guard to the fully closed position.
I bought the same helmet and was really excited about the integrated SRL Sena, I spent the money. It SUCKS, Yea, I said it for ya, extremely disappointed in the technology, the speakers suck the connection sucks, I cant say enough bad things about it. Was happy to see you with the Cardo now, I am presently unboxing the Cardo pack talk bold and installing it. The helmet I have had since the day they came out...WOW...great helmet, My first modular and love it to death, more air now and then with it up, especially around town. Fits pretty tight at first but two weeks of break-in and it fits like a glove. YES it is much more quiet then most any helmet out there. Yes, expensive, yes well worth it. Thanks again.
Nice review! This was very thorough and your low key relaxed style kept me interested the whole way through. Would also like to see a packtalk review using this helmet.
Good information for anyone in the market for a premium modular helmet. I am currently waiting for my new modular helmet and wanted share my thoughts to the discussed Shoei Neotec 2 and the Schuberth C4 Pro - the HJC RPHA 90S Carbon, which I hope to get in another day or 2. When researching, my criteria was foremost weight, knowing the hinge adds significant weight. Numerous riding buddies that own the Neotec 2 complained about neck pain on day-long rides and while the Schuberth C4 Pro is lighter (1,660 grams) than the Neotec 2 (1,700 grams), the RPHA 90S Carbon weighs only 1,305 grams - that's only 10 grams heavier than the AGV Sport Modular helmet, which is currently the lightest modular helmet, thanks to its carbon fiber shell, and another excellent choice. A quiet helmet was also something to consider and the HJC RPHA 90S Carbon is even quieter than the Schuberth C4 Pro - the most quiet. Finally, HJC RPHA 90 Carbon is $100 less and I paid $530 for a DOT certified helmet. Whichever you decide, you can't go wrong with either of the four helmets. Happy New Year and ride safe!
Very informative and thorough video! I have just bought a Neotec 2 today and fitted the Cardo Packtalk bold to it! I have to be honest I have owned a Shoei helmet before and without doubt it is the best fitting helmet on the market for me, so I wanted one again, however I was concerned about the fitting of the Cardo Packtalk to it and I wasn’t going to buy it until J&S Accessories in the UK convinced me otherwise! I bought it off them and they fitted it within 5 minutes in store! Great service! I have yet to wear it on a ride, but I don’t expect I will be disappointed!
I was using a LS2 Valiant and just bought the Shoei Neotec II. I may miss the 180 degree open feature but the Shoei feels better on at this point. This is my first Shoei, I have been an HJC guy. But I have used a bunch of different brands as I usually change helmets every two years. Thank you for this reveiw.
@furr666 the Neotec is more comfortable (for me which is different for everyone) but the build quality is also definitively more solid along with controlling noise. It was worth it for me and how I ride but a helmet as expensive as the Neotec may not be worth it for everyone.
my only note is that the front when lifted up to prevent it falling down. it will then push back a little more and lock into the up position, this is the only way to legally ride with it up in the UK
Just bought the neotec 2…I have been wearing the rf-1200 for about 3 years. Like you I was on the fence about purchasing the neotec 2 mainly bc of price. I am a big fan of shoei and they are currently phasing out the neotec 2 so I got a pretty good deal on it. Thanks for the review!
Came upon this video as I'm trying to sort out the wind noise on my Neotec 2. I own a full face Shoei that I love. I purchased this Neotec 2 and it is so loud with wind noise. I can have all vents closed and I can still hear and feel more wind noise than I think I should. I do wear ear plugs. I have a microphone inside each helmet for recording. This one is so loud it sometimes sounds like the mic is outside the helmet.
I've had a Shark Evoline 2 for many years, and finally realized it was a size too small. I get serious pain in my forehead after just an hour. I was looking at the Neotec 2 at my local dealer and the XXL fit me perfectly. But that $799 price was brutal. I started looking around on the web, scouring daily for a good deal. I finally found an "open box" unit priced at $629, and they had a 10% off coupon making it $566. Since the dealer was out of state, there was no sales tax, and they're shipping it free. WHAT a BARGAIN! I can't wait to get it and add all my accessories. I feel like I got the best possible deal on a superb helmet.
Thanks for the very informative review. I just bought one , glad I saw your video first , they are comfortable I agree , can't wait to get out and ride with it .
The intake at the top of the helmet, which looks like the hood scoop on a 2008 Shelby GT, doesn't close off with a complete seal and always causes turbulence. Put your finger over it to hear the wind noise it causes.
I need some help! My brother and my dad both have the Harley Boom Audio full face helmet. I want to pick up this neotech 2 with the sena communication and boom mic system. Does anyone know if I buy this, can the helmet pair up and STILL allow me to talk with my brother and my dad even though they have the book audio helmet?
I'm using my second LS2 carbon Explorer, it's been a year. Never needed a helmet larger than XL. My LS2 is XXXL and still tight. Just barely enough room to fit a thin balaclava. The sun visor mechanism barely works, hasn't since new, on both of them. Still, the best helmet I've owned till now and I am now considering this helmet. I was not aware of the com mount adhesive, so I'll look into that. I had mine fall off the first helmet 3 x's while riding. I got a new com system (under warranty) with a hard mount that did finally got the helmet. Amazon replaced the first LS2 after a year for the fee of restocking.. no store can do that. I originally purchased at least five helmets to get the best size fit possible. No shipping fees either way. Hard to beat Amazon!
Fantastic review...Spectacular helmet‼️ Was looking hard at the Shub C- 4 Pro, AGV Sport Modular, & Shoei Neotec 2...Your review happily took me off the fence, landing me comfortably smiling into the Shoei Neotec 2 & Ø regrets as I take my daily dose of Throttle Therapy‼️
I actually own both of the helmets mentioned, purchasing the LS to avoid the cost of the shoei, and then went back and purchased the neotech 2 as well after experiencing discomfort from glasses wearing with the ls.. My feeling now is that, as much as the shoei cost, I didn't and wouldn't have known if I'd paid full price in the first place, but in hindsight, it would have saved me a fair amount of money had I purchased it straight away and not tried to save the money. Worth knowing, you can save a couple of hundred if you purchase it from a Spanish mail order company. Motocard being my favorite. Also chromeburner. No idea why, but the helmets are an absolute bargain.
My first helmet has been dropped a few times so just ordered myself a neotec 2 after watching this. Also In my state im legally obligated to wear a helmet so figured I should get one that’s comfortable, doesn’t fog up, and provides great protection. Thanks for the review
You open the chin bar until it stops as you demonstrated, but there is another stop after that that holds it open. Open it fully then push back again and it will go to the "lock" position - that way it will not close accidentally. Hope that helps someone when riding with it open.
I just bought my neotec 2 yesterday and as I went to leave to try it out for the first time my bike didn’t start and had to get picked up because of a fuel injector malfunction. So once my bikes fixed I’ll actually be able to test it out. I love the fit a feel so far though.
This compares fairly equally with the Schuberth C4. The C4 is more "slippery" in the wind, when you turn your head the wind tugs less on the C4 than the N2. Quietness, quality, durability, and venting about the same. I very much prefer the Shoei Neotec 2 over the C4 though, due to several small design differences.
Thanks great Real World helmet review. Like you I own a few helmets. An Arai RX -7 ( Which is now something to look at rather than wear because I prefer a modular helmet , A Schuberth C3 which even with a pin lock mists up terribly and this will take you back a Michael Rutter replica RF1000. And guess which is the most comfortable. Yep ! the RF1000. So now on the look out for a new helmet I am seriously looking to buy this one. I even once brought a Shoei X - Spirit 3 which was so comfortable but was made for riding a Sports Bike rather than my BMW GS so I returned it. Having experienced both Arai & Shoei helmets in my opinion Shoei beat Arai for quality as well. Just like over there in the States the multi coloured version is more expensive here in the UK , about £100 , but I just think its a price worth paying as they look so much better than a solid colour. Stay safe out there.
Nice review. Just purchased the Neotec. I was looking for a video that shows how to install a Cardo Packtalk, and came across your videos. I just purchased a new Goldwing too-for the same reasons you did. I bet you would get a fair amount of views if you did one on the installation of a cardo. I’m subscribed, looking for more of your trips.
@@GetOut-Ride it is! It has to be one of the most effortless bikes around. My BMW Racer just sits in the garage now. The Goldwing has almost ruined me for other bikes. It’s like joining a cult or something.
Awesome review, I’ve been using the Sena SRL2 and I’ve been happy with it, good battery life, fits into the helmet. Just my opinion about the headset for all its worth.
Great review! If you've done a how-to for your GoPro mount setup, I would love to see it. Thx for sharing this!!! I had the first Neotec and really liked it.
i think the neotec is a great helmet, with top vent open even on a very cold day, air flow is barely noticeable, front works fine i think its a bit noisy over 60mph i have the sea srl plugged in which works fine, although buttons hard to find when riding
I recently bought a Neotec 2 and like it a lot. The only thing that I can say negative would be it's a little to tight on my cheeks but that's just my problem. Great helmet.Great review.
Good review. I don't think you mentioned it but there's also a chin vent above the chin bar button to help keep the shield fog free and give some extra ventilation inside. I haven't installed the Pin Lock yet but I'll get around to it. I finally bought this helmet after almost a year of deciding. Love the extra protection vs my Shoei 3/4, the ability to lift the chin bar and take a drink of water, the built in sun visor and not having to wear sun glasses, and the extra weather protection. Good to know you can put the Cardo and GoPro mounts on it.
So when the chin piece is up you can't lower the main face shield and its sticking straight up in the air ? Thats stupid . The valiant chin piece folds all the way back out of the way and you can lower or raise the face shield .
Hi I am new to modular helmets. Does anyone have any inputs on the safety of these helmets? I heard they might not be as safe as a full face helmet but I really like the form factor of a modular one.
I have thankfully not had to test one personally but from riders I have seen go down in a modular helmet, they have functioned as intended and provided the necessary protection. The exception would be if you go down while riding with the chin bar raised up. There is always a very high chance of the face and jaw making contact during an accident so protection could be reduced to some extent there but the rest of the helmet will continue to do its job. I very rarely if ever ride with it raised except at very low speed for short periods of time. The important thing to look for in a modular is all metal components in the chin bar latch mechanism to ensure a lesser chance of failure in a crash.
thanks for the info! but have to say. D-ring.. all the way. I love how I have micro control of the tension and I trust the secure feeling so much better.. always a thought at the back of my noggin' with the ratchet.. minor complaint. I'm still going the Neotech. I am however very disappointed that there isn't a Sena 50s-ish integrated system.. I assume that something will show but maybe not in time for my needs.
I was going to add too, at 11:58 when 'he' is talking about the flip up, not once does he push it 'all the way'. It has a false stop, then you push it back a bit harder, and there is a firm semi locking stop. No more camera dropdowns. good review, brilliant hat.
I was a Shoei fanboy... Owned many of their helmets over the years. Also picked up a few ARAI's and even an LS... Read a ton of reviews when looking for the quietest helmet. Schuberth kept coming up... so I figured I'd try one. Last year at Bike Week I picked up a C3 Pro... I instantly could tell the difference in quality and lower wind noise at highway speeds. They invented the modular helmet, the retractable sun shades and the latch we love over the old D rings... I'm a fan. I still love me a nice Shoei, but I think I'm a Schuberth convert now.
Thanks for the feedback. I have heard a lot of the same on the Schuberths but often from Schuberth fanboys which I take with a grain of salt. I look forward to giving one a shot myself.
@@GetOut-Ride Everyone has some bias, but being able to be objective and try new things is what sets us apart from fanboys., BOTH are great helmets. I would take either one.
I replaced my C3 Pro with the N2. The C3 Pro just didn’t fit the shape of my head in spite of shaping foam and trying different liners. I rode very uncomfortably for a few years before I switched out. The N2 is louder than the C3 and I prefer to wear foamies with it. I also have the SRL system and am quiet happy with it.
@@dano9176 Nothing worse than a helmet that doesn't fit well. I kept trying to use ARAI but I never found one that didn't give me a headache after an hour.
My wife and I both use Shoei RF1400’s in medium and ballast gray, that we bought last summer. I have a few videos showing me wearing it. Admittedly, they are the most comfortable lids we own, I also own a Sedici composite modular which unfortunately is a little too large and unusable. I have been seriously considering buying the Neotec 2 for use on long trips on my Wing. The now $750 price point causes me to pause, but I may go to a Cycle Gear and try one on and make a final decision at that point. (Note: if you’re a veteran, Cycle Gear usually offers 10% discounts including for Shoei helmets) On a side point: From my personal experience, Shoei does not make it easy to mount a comm device. I use a SENA 30K and had a hell of a time mounting it on the RF1400. Maybe it was because my helmet was new, but I had to force feed the mount between the shell and the padding. On the flip side, the speaker wells are deep enough to accommodate the SENA speakers which is nice.
Update: in addition to my RF-1400 (which I absolutely love), I splurged and ordered the newest Neo 2 Winsome. It will be here Monday. Looking forward to it.
dont you have 2 detensions for when its open, first one detension for "stand still get gas" and the other one more for "riding with the helmet open"? doesent that second detention handle the extra wheight?
I do own both Schubert C4 Pro Carbon and Shoei Neotec 2. They both have pluses and minuses, but overall I tend to like more the Shoei. Some end user personal opinions: - Shoei is better sound proofed, my C4 is whining and whispering when all air intake ports are closed, Shoei is better in this aspect; - Schubert has a better front air intake, you don't feel the cold air concentrated in one point, on the other hand Shoei will concentrate the cold air on the base of your nose; - Shoei has a easier to work with chin strap, while Schubert's should be better on paper, the plush ears under the strap are a pain in the ass to deal with, Shoei's is easier to work with; - Schubert has a better lower field of view, because of the nose protection, Shoei has a restricted lower field of view, so you have to lower you head more to see the speedometer; - Shoei seems more comfortable, while both are M size, Schubert is tighter and when closed is fixed on my chin. Shoei has more room on my chin (I have quite a beard and that helps...).
Just bought a Shoei Neotec 2 with SRL Mesh comm system. Only my second helmet after getting blown around in my Sedici Duale ADV helmet. It is quieter and can look around without setting sail! Stupid comfortable! Think I have a Shoei 2XL head!
Gone through the same experience 😂 still keep my RF1100 and a Shark Evoline3, which are great, but the neotec 2 is really high end. Great review, honesty always pays off.
I have been fortunate that my eyes or contacts drying out has never been an issue. Riding with the main visor open and just the sun visor down has provided me with enough wind protection that it doesn’t cause any issues for me.
I'm considering a Neotec 2 for my next helmet. I currently have a C4 Pro, and love it, except for one thing - I do get a hot spot on my forehead after 60-90 minutes, and I know that Shoei's fit my head really well. The one thing that stops me is the Schuberth has much better peripheral vision, and I don't want to give that up.
I have a C4 pro and really like the look, feel and vertical peripheral vision. What I don't like is the amount of air coming inside underneath creating wind noise. Guess it's my head shape. Something which wasn't a problem on my GT Air 1, that just had a dull rumble. I tried a GT Air 2 and that was noisy, go figure.. Also the limited shell sizes with Schuberth forced me to buy the largest, heaviest shell size. I think i will try a Neotec one day in the quest to find a quiet helmet or wait for the next gen Neotec , hopefully then they will have a central visor opener or one both sides.
I had a compression spot on my C3 pro, and had forehead pain after an hour of riding. I remedied this by using the blunt handle end of a screwdriver to compress the styrofoam over the forehead- just move the padding, and patiently use the blunt/handle end of a screwdriver to compress the styrofoam- in my case, just a 1/8-1/4" of compression was enough to relieve the discomfort.
One other thing to note about the pin lock system is that there was a disclaimer to not use after dark?? So beware if you ride after dark it is expected that you remove the pin lock thus eliminating the anti-fog benefit. The reasoning was it can create double imaging.
I have not used the helmet in temperatures that high but I have used it during all day touring up to about 98F and it was not an issue. Warm, absolutely! But it definitely did not feel any worse than other helmets I have used.
@@GetOut-Ride awesome thanks mate. I tried one of these on yesterday and it just felt so good. Outside of the budget I was originally planning on, but definitely a little besotted with it now. 😂
I have not (yet) but have heard some feedback that is has happened to others but never with a fix or resolution. Some helmets have some adjustability in the visor mechanism to adjust the seal but the Neotec doesn’t appear to be one of those. If it was my situation, I would probably first try to inspect the gasket for any dirt or debris that could effect it. Every once in a while I will also rub some mineral oil over the the visor gaskets of my helmets just to help keep them soft and pliable.
I have thankfully not been able to test that but Shoei has a long track record of high quality helmets that have saved many lives over the years on the track and the street so i personally do not have reason to doubt their ability to build a safe modular as I would a more budget or lesser known brand where corners could be more likely to be cut. Is it just as protective as a regular full face in extreme circumstances? Highly unlikely, but I feel there is still a healthy balance of protection and convenience with the modular design.
I had the GT air and the helmet was super only let down was the water droplets misting my pinlock up.... in-between the visor n pinlock it was solid/clear just the surface that is near your nose that give me problems... I'd be interested in the neotec 2 as the visor I think is further away from your nose than a full face helmet ?
Yep, Shoei is another league. Like you I do prefer quick release buckle. However, as Fortinine proved D buckle is by far the safest option of them all. I still remember when Marco Simoncelli lost his life in the Moto GP race, quite a few years ago and the force of impact of another bike to his upper body caused the helmet to be ripped off and strap to break.
I think many riders prefer the quick release buckles because if they use a double d ring helmet, they take the strap completely out of the double d rings, and this isn't necessary. You can loosen the strap to remove the helmet, or put the helmet on without ever taking the strap out of the d rings. You can find videos here on RUclips showing the technique. Me personally, I hate the feel of a quick release buckle pushing against my throat, and double d rings are much stronger.
If you watch the video of the accident, you will see the helmet rolling away with one, extremely long strap flopping as the helmet rolled. This is because the strap either broke at the attachment point with the helmet shell or was pulled loose from the shell at the same point. The d-rings had nothing to do with it. There has been considerable speculation that Simoncelli's considerable volume of hair compromised the optimum fit of the helmet. I myself prefer D rings, but I own a NeoTec II in spite of the strap fastening system.
It's true d ring closure is most likely the securest (also my favourite) but I think in reality if your crash is bad enough to cause a metal quick release to fail chances of you making it out are slim regardless.
Outstanding review! I just purchased this helmet with the SRL integrated com system, but I really liked your description of how and why you mounted a different system on your helmet, including the adhesion enhancer that you talked about. (It would be great if you could put a link to exactly what that adhesion enhancer is. I can't seem to find it.) Thanks for this review!
Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy the helmet! Here is the 3M adhesion promoter that I always use: 3M 4298 Adhesion Promoter, 3 Sponge Applicators www.amazon.com/dp/B07MVK1PG6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bYJEFbJ4Y0ED4
Hi, when you open the helmet in the video never get the last position, lock position y jet mode, in this position takes the go pro easy. Saludos, sorry for my bad english.
I have Shoei Neotec 2. I took the first one back because it was noisy. The replacement is not much better. For the price, I expected a quieter helmet. Even with earplugs, it's noisy. Any suggestions?
I normally wear a large, but I have tried numerous Shoei helmets in large, and they have hurt my ears, and my jaw. Maybe I should have tried an XL. Large Arai's in contrast fit me great. My issue with modular helmets is the weight, often 4 pounds. I've been looking at the HJC 90S Carbon because it's lighter, and Champion helmets found it to be one of the quietest. I'm mainly interested in it for winter riding. I used to be a die hard full face wearer, then a modular helmet wearer, but I found both hot and stuffy on hot days, so I purchased a 3/4 helmet with face shield, with the intent of using it only for riding in the heat. Well, I got used to the more open feel, the lighter weight, and I just feel more connected to the ride in it. Now I don't have any desire to go back.
Just bought the Neotec 2. Wasn't happy with the reviews for the SRL systems, so for $50 more I bought the Sena 50S. Way better system for just a bit more. Haven't had a chance to test it out yet, but hopefully this week.
I have the Shoei adventure helmet with PT Bold, and it fits like a glove(except speakers).I like everything about the helmet. I also have a Schuberth C3pro which is not the best fit for me, and pulls the hair at the top of my head. I bought a new Goldwing and have been trying to use the Shuberth but to no avail. After wearing my Shoei for the past 3 years, I’ve learned the difference between, it works well enough, and complete and total comfort. I’ve researched several less expensive helmets, but keep coming back to the Neotec 2. I liked your review, and tips. So to my question. Do the JBL speakers bother the fitment? The packtalk speakers sat on top of the cutouts more or less on my Shoei adv helmet. Took me awhile to get them to stop moving around when putting the helmet on and off. Also, a review of the helmet interior would be nice. Subscribed and thank you.
Thank you for the info on the Schuberth, that is really helpful! As far as the PT Bold, the newer units with the 45mm JBL speakers does cause some minor issues because most helmet speaker pockets are made for 40mm speakers. In the Neotec 2 it does require taking and Xacto knife of something similar to just slightly trim the speaker pockets to fit. I have had to do that to every helmet I’ve installed them into but they are a perfect fit every time and have never been an issue after that. In the Neotec they are perfectly recessed and have not moved at all. If you have a PT Bold unit that came out prior to the JBL edition that still has the older 40mm speakers, no modifications are needed for a perfect fit.
@@GetOut-Ride Just had a look at the Cardo site & you can purchase 40mm speakers albeit not JBL from them, hope this helps. Ride safe everybody! Bikers across the pond.
I appreciate that your review is an actual review, not an overview.
Thanks, part of why I did it. Too many helmet “reviews” are from riders that have yet to even ride in the helmet.
Thanks, for the great review! I got tired of all the wind noise, fogging and lousy fitting helmets I own, so I ordered the Shoei Neotec II today.
How did it work out for you?
Not sure if anyone has mentioned that this helmet has a lock feature ! Double click at the open position will lock in place and not fall down with the added weight of go pro , not sure if the op realised that either 👍🏻
To clarify, I think you mean there are two detent levels (rather than a double-click) when opening the chin guard. Open it to the first detent as you generally would, and then push is back a little further (with more force) to engage the second detent (or lock as you've described it). You'll know you've engaged that second detent when you try to close the helmet back up again-- it requires a much firmer pull to disengage that "lock" position and return the chin guard to the fully closed position.
@@rayfriedman9625thanks I was wondering what double click meant
This is such a great review, very informative. I plan to get one soon. Thank you
Thank you for the feedback!
@@GetOut-Ride hadih
I have the adhesive mount on my gt air 2 but didn't use the extra adhesion stuff 2 years 18k miles hasn't moved
I bought the same helmet and was really excited about the integrated SRL Sena, I spent the money. It SUCKS, Yea, I said it for ya, extremely disappointed in the technology, the speakers suck the connection sucks, I cant say enough bad things about it. Was happy to see you with the Cardo now, I am presently unboxing the Cardo pack talk bold and installing it. The helmet I have had since the day they came out...WOW...great helmet, My first modular and love it to death, more air now and then with it up, especially around town. Fits pretty tight at first but two weeks of break-in and it fits like a glove. YES it is much more quiet then most any helmet out there. Yes, expensive, yes well worth it. Thanks again.
Nice review! This was very thorough and your low key relaxed style kept me interested the whole way through. Would also like to see a packtalk review using this helmet.
Good information for anyone in the market for a premium modular helmet. I am currently waiting for my new modular helmet and wanted share my thoughts to the discussed Shoei Neotec 2 and the Schuberth C4 Pro - the HJC RPHA 90S Carbon, which I hope to get in another day or 2.
When researching, my criteria was foremost weight, knowing the hinge adds significant weight. Numerous riding buddies that own the Neotec 2 complained about neck pain on day-long rides and while the Schuberth C4 Pro is lighter (1,660 grams) than the Neotec 2 (1,700 grams), the RPHA 90S Carbon weighs only 1,305 grams - that's only 10 grams heavier than the AGV Sport Modular helmet, which is currently the lightest modular helmet, thanks to its carbon fiber shell, and another excellent choice.
A quiet helmet was also something to consider and the HJC RPHA 90S Carbon is even quieter than the Schuberth C4 Pro - the most quiet. Finally, HJC RPHA 90 Carbon is $100 less and I paid $530 for a DOT certified helmet.
Whichever you decide, you can't go wrong with either of the four helmets.
Happy New Year and ride safe!
sincere helmet review indeed. love it shoei!
Very informative and thorough video! I have just bought a Neotec 2 today and fitted the Cardo Packtalk bold to it! I have to be honest I have owned a Shoei helmet before and without doubt it is the best fitting helmet on the market for me, so I wanted one again, however I was concerned about the fitting of the Cardo Packtalk to it and I wasn’t going to buy it until J&S Accessories in the UK convinced me otherwise! I bought it off them and they fitted it within 5 minutes in store! Great service! I have yet to wear it on a ride, but I don’t expect I will be disappointed!
Thank you for the feedback and enjoy the new helmet!
Hi Mark did J&S use the adhesive mount or the clip one.
@@johncoyle1096 They used the adhesive.
I was using a LS2 Valiant and just bought the Shoei Neotec II. I may miss the 180 degree open feature but the Shoei feels better on at this point. This is my first Shoei, I have been an HJC guy. But I have used a bunch of different brands as I usually change helmets every two years. Thank you for this reveiw.
In all honesty, how much better, if any, is the Neotech ll compared to the LS2 that you had?
@furr666 the Neotec is more comfortable (for me which is different for everyone) but the build quality is also definitively more solid along with controlling noise. It was worth it for me and how I ride but a helmet as expensive as the Neotec may not be worth it for everyone.
my only note is that the front when lifted up to prevent it falling down. it will then push back a little more and lock into the up position, this is the only way to legally ride with it up in the UK
Excellent review just bought one for my wife and myself after seeing this review👍
Just bought the neotec 2…I have been wearing the rf-1200 for about 3 years. Like you I was on the fence about purchasing the neotec 2 mainly bc of price. I am a big fan of shoei and they are currently phasing out the neotec 2 so I got a pretty good deal on it. Thanks for the review!
8:40 before you start the actual review?
thanks
Came upon this video as I'm trying to sort out the wind noise on my Neotec 2. I own a full face Shoei that I love. I purchased this Neotec 2 and it is so loud with wind noise. I can have all vents closed and I can still hear and feel more wind noise than I think I should. I do wear ear plugs. I have a microphone inside each helmet for recording. This one is so loud it sometimes sounds like the mic is outside the helmet.
I've had a Shark Evoline 2 for many years, and finally realized it was a size too small. I get serious pain in my forehead after just an hour. I was looking at the Neotec 2 at my local dealer and the XXL fit me perfectly. But that $799 price was brutal. I started looking around on the web, scouring daily for a good deal. I finally found an "open box" unit priced at $629, and they had a 10% off coupon making it $566. Since the dealer was out of state, there was no sales tax, and they're shipping it free. WHAT a BARGAIN! I can't wait to get it and add all my accessories. I feel like I got the best possible deal on a superb helmet.
nice to score a deal, it's the only way I can afford any toys
Thanks for the very informative review. I just bought one , glad I saw your video first , they are comfortable I agree , can't wait to get out and ride with it .
The intake at the top of the helmet, which looks like the hood scoop on a 2008 Shelby GT, doesn't close off with a complete seal and always causes turbulence. Put your finger over it to hear the wind noise it causes.
My wife and are at 22k miles on our Neotec 2's. Love these helmets! Goldwing miles......
I need some help! My brother and my dad both have the Harley Boom Audio full face helmet. I want to pick up this neotech 2 with the sena communication and boom mic system. Does anyone know if I buy this, can the helmet pair up and STILL allow me to talk with my brother and my dad even though they have the book audio helmet?
Check Cardo, they seem to be able to hook up with other systems.
Lots of great info. Best review I’ve seen yet. Thank you.
There is one more up locked back position. Click it in to that to keep the heavy stuff up...
Yes, I finally noticed that shortly after the filming of the review. That furthest back detent is rock solid!
Agv sport pro modular or neotec 2 modular? Which to buy?
I'm using my second LS2 carbon Explorer, it's been a year. Never needed a helmet larger than XL. My LS2 is XXXL and still tight. Just barely enough room to fit a thin balaclava.
The sun visor mechanism barely works, hasn't since new, on both of them. Still, the best helmet I've owned till now and I am now considering this helmet.
I was not aware of the com mount adhesive, so I'll look into that. I had mine fall off the first helmet 3 x's while riding. I got a new com system (under warranty) with a hard mount that did finally got the helmet.
Amazon replaced the first LS2 after a year for the fee of restocking.. no store can do that. I originally purchased at least five helmets to get the best size fit possible. No shipping fees either way. Hard to beat Amazon!
Suggest discussing shield and liner removal ease. And also ease of liner cleaning.
Fantastic review...Spectacular helmet‼️
Was looking hard at the Shub C- 4 Pro, AGV Sport Modular, & Shoei Neotec 2...Your review happily took me off the fence, landing me comfortably smiling into the Shoei Neotec 2 & Ø regrets as I take my daily dose of Throttle Therapy‼️
Thank you for the feedback and safe riding!
Thanks for this!! I just bought my Neotec II helmet today thanks to you and this review!! Very happy with the purchase. Thanks again.
I actually own both of the helmets mentioned, purchasing the LS to avoid the cost of the shoei, and then went back and purchased the neotech 2 as well after experiencing discomfort from glasses wearing with the ls..
My feeling now is that, as much as the shoei cost, I didn't and wouldn't have known if I'd paid full price in the first place, but in hindsight, it would have saved me a fair amount of money had I purchased it straight away and not tried to save the money.
Worth knowing, you can save a couple of hundred if you purchase it from a Spanish mail order company.
Motocard being my favorite. Also chromeburner. No idea why, but the helmets are an absolute bargain.
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@@davidjupp1589 I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you mean.
My first helmet has been dropped a few times so just ordered myself a neotec 2 after watching this.
Also In my state im legally obligated to wear a helmet so figured I should get one that’s comfortable, doesn’t fog up, and provides great protection. Thanks for the review
I have over 2 years with this Neotec now and it is still my favorite helmet. I hope the helmet fit works for you as well.
You open the chin bar until it stops as you demonstrated, but there is another stop after that that holds it open. Open it fully then push back again and it will go to the "lock" position - that way it will not close accidentally. Hope that helps someone when riding with it open.
I just bought my neotec 2 yesterday and as I went to leave to try it out for the first time my bike didn’t start and had to get picked up because of a fuel injector malfunction. So once my bikes fixed I’ll actually be able to test it out. I love the fit a feel so far though.
thanks for taking the time to release such a very thorough review. About to make the move to a Neotec in white.
I just ordered one based on your recommendation. Great work... great video.
Thank you. I hope it works out for you as it has for me. To this day it is still my favorite everyday go to helmet.
This compares fairly equally with the Schuberth C4. The C4 is more "slippery" in the wind, when you turn your head the wind tugs less on the C4 than the N2. Quietness, quality, durability, and venting about the same. I very much prefer the Shoei Neotec 2 over the C4 though, due to several small design differences.
Thank you for the feedback on the C4, I have yet to try one.
@@GetOut-Ride You're not missing anything :-) I'd say you have the right helmet.
i think you can try pulling back the modular chin back further for the second click to lock it on an upright position
best helmet review ever!
Thanks great Real World helmet review. Like you I own a few helmets. An Arai RX -7 ( Which is now something to look at rather than wear because I prefer a modular helmet , A Schuberth C3 which even with a pin lock mists up terribly and this will take you back a Michael Rutter replica RF1000. And guess which is the most comfortable. Yep ! the RF1000. So now on the look out for a new helmet I am seriously looking to buy this one. I even once brought a Shoei X - Spirit 3 which was so comfortable but was made for riding a Sports Bike rather than my BMW GS so I returned it. Having experienced both Arai & Shoei helmets in my opinion Shoei beat Arai for quality as well. Just like over there in the States the multi coloured version is more expensive here in the UK , about £100 , but I just think its a price worth paying as they look so much better than a solid colour. Stay safe out there.
Awesome video, very detailed. I 100% agree with you on the Sena SLR. Outdated! Great video, thanks.
Very nice review. I love my Neotec II
They make a cardo adapter for the neotec 2 to make it acceptable for the card coms
Nice review. Just purchased the Neotec. I was looking for a video that shows how to install a Cardo Packtalk, and came across your videos. I just purchased a new Goldwing too-for the same reasons you did. I bet you would get a fair amount of views if you did one on the installation of a cardo. I’m subscribed, looking for more of your trips.
Thanks for the feedback and enjoy that new Goldwing, it’s a great bike!
@@GetOut-Ride it is! It has to be one of the most effortless bikes around. My BMW Racer just sits in the garage now. The Goldwing has almost ruined me for other bikes. It’s like joining a cult or something.
I stopped using mine after 2 months. Couldn't stop the visor leaking. Weight was also a lil much for long long rides.
100%. Wearing a Shoei RF1400 and love it, but would really appreciate the openness. Thanks for the review?
Awesome review, I’ve been using the Sena SRL2 and I’ve been happy with it, good battery life, fits into the helmet. Just my opinion about the headset for all its worth.
Glad to hear the Sena is working out!
Great review! If you've done a how-to for your GoPro mount setup, I would love to see it. Thx for sharing this!!! I had the first Neotec and really liked it.
Thanks for the feedback! I have not done a video on the GoPro setup but I may soon as it has been often requested.
Can we get a video of your Packtalk install?
I will work on one!
Good review man! Keep up the great work
Neotech 3 is out next year (2024). Solid colors for the first half year or so, which is fine by me.
Thanks for talking about the comms system
i think the neotec is a great helmet, with top vent open even on a very cold day, air flow is barely noticeable, front works fine
i think its a bit noisy over 60mph
i have the sea srl plugged in which works fine, although buttons hard to find when riding
I recently bought a Neotec 2 and like it a lot. The only thing that I can say negative would be it's a little to tight on my cheeks but that's just my problem. Great helmet.Great review.
Good review. I don't think you mentioned it but there's also a chin vent above the chin bar button to help keep the shield fog free and give some extra ventilation inside. I haven't installed the Pin Lock yet but I'll get around to it. I finally bought this helmet after almost a year of deciding. Love the extra protection vs my Shoei 3/4, the ability to lift the chin bar and take a drink of water, the built in sun visor and not having to wear sun glasses, and the extra weather protection. Good to know you can put the Cardo and GoPro mounts on it.
What is a riding season?
Great review. Very helpful.
So when the chin piece is up you can't lower the main face shield and its sticking straight up in the air ? Thats stupid . The valiant chin piece folds all the way back out of the way and you can lower or raise the face shield .
Hi I am new to modular helmets. Does anyone have any inputs on the safety of these helmets? I heard they might not be as safe as a full face helmet but I really like the form factor of a modular one.
I have thankfully not had to test one personally but from riders I have seen go down in a modular helmet, they have functioned as intended and provided the necessary protection. The exception would be if you go down while riding with the chin bar raised up. There is always a very high chance of the face and jaw making contact during an accident so protection could be reduced to some extent there but the rest of the helmet will continue to do its job. I very rarely if ever ride with it raised except at very low speed for short periods of time. The important thing to look for in a modular is all metal components in the chin bar latch mechanism to ensure a lesser chance of failure in a crash.
thanks for the info! but have to say. D-ring.. all the way. I love how I have micro control of the tension and I trust the secure feeling so much better.. always a thought at the back of my noggin' with the ratchet.. minor complaint. I'm still going the Neotech. I am however very disappointed that there isn't a Sena 50s-ish integrated system.. I assume that something will show but maybe not in time for my needs.
The new SRL Mesh system fulfills that request.
U can lift it up till click to lock position. Might help when attaching go pro
I was going to add too, at 11:58 when 'he' is talking about the flip up, not once does he push it 'all the way'. It has a false stop, then you push it back a bit harder, and there is a firm semi locking stop. No more camera dropdowns. good review, brilliant hat.
Hey man, great review! Just bought one after being very dissapointed by the schuberth C4... Waiting for it to arrive 😬
I was a Shoei fanboy... Owned many of their helmets over the years. Also picked up a few ARAI's and even an LS... Read a ton of reviews when looking for the quietest helmet. Schuberth kept coming up... so I figured I'd try one. Last year at Bike Week I picked up a C3 Pro... I instantly could tell the difference in quality and lower wind noise at highway speeds. They invented the modular helmet, the retractable sun shades and the latch we love over the old D rings... I'm a fan. I still love me a nice Shoei, but I think I'm a Schuberth convert now.
Thanks for the feedback. I have heard a lot of the same on the Schuberths but often from Schuberth fanboys which I take with a grain of salt. I look forward to giving one a shot myself.
@@GetOut-Ride Everyone has some bias, but being able to be objective and try new things is what sets us apart from fanboys., BOTH are great helmets. I would take either one.
I replaced my C3 Pro with the N2. The C3 Pro just didn’t fit the shape of my head in spite of shaping foam and trying different liners. I rode very uncomfortably for a few years before I switched out. The N2 is louder than the C3 and I prefer to wear foamies with it. I also have the SRL system and am quiet happy with it.
@@dano9176 Nothing worse than a helmet that doesn't fit well. I kept trying to use ARAI but I never found one that didn't give me a headache after an hour.
I had an rf1100 and am looking for a new lid. Tried on a few at my local cycle gear and fell in love with the feel of this neotec2.
My wife and I both use Shoei RF1400’s in medium and ballast gray, that we bought last summer. I have a few videos showing me wearing it. Admittedly, they are the most comfortable lids we own, I also own a Sedici composite modular which unfortunately is a little too large and unusable. I have been seriously considering buying the Neotec 2 for use on long trips on my Wing. The now $750 price point causes me to pause, but I may go to a Cycle Gear and try one on and make a final decision at that point. (Note: if you’re a veteran, Cycle Gear usually offers 10% discounts including for Shoei helmets)
On a side point: From my personal experience, Shoei does not make it easy to mount a comm device. I use a SENA 30K and had a hell of a time mounting it on the RF1400. Maybe it was because my helmet was new, but I had to force feed the mount between the shell and the padding. On the flip side, the speaker wells are deep enough to accommodate the SENA speakers which is nice.
I also have an RF1400 and use a Cardo Freecom 4+ just fine. Great helmet but I'm looking at the Neotec for sure.
Update: in addition to my RF-1400 (which I absolutely love), I splurged and ordered the newest Neo 2 Winsome. It will be here Monday. Looking forward to it.
does anyone know what the TC 5 or any other TC number means?
Did I maybe buy a different model? I recently returned mine because the back up the helmet was raised high. Felt like the back of my neck was exposed
dont you have 2 detensions for when its open, first one detension for "stand still get gas" and the other one more for "riding with the helmet open"? doesent that second detention handle the extra wheight?
Correct, there are 2 open lock positions.
it has a second retention point when it's open. you just need to pull it a bit further.
I found that out after the review and it works great, no issues staying open with a GoPro attached!
I do own both Schubert C4 Pro Carbon and Shoei Neotec 2. They both have pluses and minuses, but overall I tend to like more the Shoei. Some end user personal opinions:
- Shoei is better sound proofed, my C4 is whining and whispering when all air intake ports are closed, Shoei is better in this aspect;
- Schubert has a better front air intake, you don't feel the cold air concentrated in one point, on the other hand Shoei will concentrate the cold air on the base of your nose;
- Shoei has a easier to work with chin strap, while Schubert's should be better on paper, the plush ears under the strap are a pain in the ass to deal with, Shoei's is easier to work with;
- Schubert has a better lower field of view, because of the nose protection, Shoei has a restricted lower field of view, so you have to lower you head more to see the speedometer;
- Shoei seems more comfortable, while both are M size, Schubert is tighter and when closed is fixed on my chin. Shoei has more room on my chin (I have quite a beard and that helps...).
Just bought a Shoei Neotec 2 with SRL Mesh comm system. Only my second helmet after getting blown around in my Sedici Duale ADV helmet. It is quieter and can look around without setting sail! Stupid comfortable! Think I have a Shoei 2XL head!
Gone through the same experience 😂 still keep my RF1100 and a Shark Evoline3, which are great, but the neotec 2 is really high end. Great review, honesty always pays off.
I, too, wear contact lenses. I have to wear "biker glasses" or the wind will dry out my contacts. How do you get around that?
I have been fortunate that my eyes or contacts drying out has never been an issue. Riding with the main visor open and just the sun visor down has provided me with enough wind protection that it doesn’t cause any issues for me.
I have a neotec 2 and it’s the best helmet I have ever had it’s the first helmet that fit great right out of the box
Same here absolutely love it
Awesome review.... thank you.
Love that color combination. I see boring colors right now in this helmet, but your review has convinced me to buy another shoei
Like my Neotec 2, great comfort and not noisy at all. Only complaint is the weight, after a few miles all is good.
Hi Mine leaks through the closed air vent on the top! does any one else have this problem?
I have not run into it yet when in rain but I have heard from others that have had it happen.
I'm considering a Neotec 2 for my next helmet. I currently have a C4 Pro, and love it, except for one thing - I do get a hot spot on my forehead after 60-90 minutes, and I know that Shoei's fit my head really well. The one thing that stops me is the Schuberth has much better peripheral vision, and I don't want to give that up.
I have a C4 pro and really like the look, feel and vertical peripheral vision. What I don't like is the amount of air coming inside underneath creating wind noise. Guess it's my head shape. Something which wasn't a problem on my GT Air 1, that just had a dull rumble. I tried a GT Air 2 and that was noisy, go figure.. Also the limited shell sizes with Schuberth forced me to buy the largest, heaviest shell size. I think i will try a Neotec one day in the quest to find a quiet helmet or wait for the next gen Neotec , hopefully then they will have a central visor opener or one both sides.
I had a compression spot on my C3 pro, and had forehead pain after an hour of riding. I remedied this by using the blunt handle end of a screwdriver to compress the styrofoam over the forehead- just move the padding, and patiently use the blunt/handle end of a screwdriver to compress the styrofoam- in my case, just a 1/8-1/4" of compression was enough to relieve the discomfort.
One other thing to note about the pin lock system is that there was a disclaimer to not use after dark?? So beware if you ride after dark it is expected that you remove the pin lock thus eliminating the anti-fog benefit. The reasoning was it can create double imaging.
That is true. I keep my pinlock in all the time and have not had any issues after dark but there is a slight difference in the dark.
Looking at one of these helmets could you please tell me if you are able to fit the cardo packtalk with the clamp and not the adhesive sticker
This helmet requires the adhesive mount. After 2 years of use I have had no issues with that mounting method.
How does the extra curtaining go in warmer climates. It routinely hits 40°C+ (110°F) here in Brisbane Australia
I have not used the helmet in temperatures that high but I have used it during all day touring up to about 98F and it was not an issue. Warm, absolutely! But it definitely did not feel any worse than other helmets I have used.
@@GetOut-Ride awesome thanks mate. I tried one of these on yesterday and it just felt so good. Outside of the budget I was originally planning on, but definitely a little besotted with it now. 😂
Stuck with either this or agv sportmodular :(
Love my neotec 2 helmet but it’s now started leaking through the top of the visor, has anyone else suffered this.
I have not (yet) but have heard some feedback that is has happened to others but never with a fix or resolution. Some helmets have some adjustability in the visor mechanism to adjust the seal but the Neotec doesn’t appear to be one of those. If it was my situation, I would probably first try to inspect the gasket for any dirt or debris that could effect it. Every once in a while I will also rub some mineral oil over the the visor gaskets of my helmets just to help keep them soft and pliable.
So what about safety as I’ve never tried one and I’m worried about a weakness in the mechanics in a crash?
I have thankfully not been able to test that but Shoei has a long track record of high quality helmets that have saved many lives over the years on the track and the street so i personally do not have reason to doubt their ability to build a safe modular as I would a more budget or lesser known brand where corners could be more likely to be cut. Is it just as protective as a regular full face in extreme circumstances? Highly unlikely, but I feel there is still a healthy balance of protection and convenience with the modular design.
I had the GT air and the helmet was super only let down was the water droplets misting my pinlock up.... in-between the visor n pinlock it was solid/clear just the surface that is near your nose that give me problems... I'd be interested in the neotec 2 as the visor I think is further away from your nose than a full face helmet ?
Yep, Shoei is another league. Like you I do prefer quick release buckle. However, as Fortinine proved D buckle is by far the safest option of them all. I still remember when Marco Simoncelli lost his life in the Moto GP race, quite a few years ago and the force of impact of another bike to his upper body caused the helmet to be ripped off and strap to break.
I think many riders prefer the quick release buckles because if they use a double d ring helmet, they take the strap completely out of the double d rings, and this isn't necessary. You can loosen the strap to remove the helmet, or put the helmet on without ever taking the strap out of the d rings. You can find videos here on RUclips showing the technique. Me personally, I hate the feel of a quick release buckle pushing against my throat, and double d rings are much stronger.
If you watch the video of the accident, you will see the helmet rolling away with one, extremely long strap flopping as the helmet rolled. This is because the strap either broke at the attachment point with the helmet shell or was pulled loose from the shell at the same point. The d-rings had nothing to do with it. There has been considerable speculation that Simoncelli's considerable volume of hair compromised the optimum fit of the helmet. I myself prefer D rings, but I own a NeoTec II in spite of the strap fastening system.
It's true d ring closure is most likely the securest (also my favourite) but I think in reality if your crash is bad enough to cause a metal quick release to fail chances of you making it out are slim regardless.
I have a question does that adhesive damage the helmet integrity at all?
How do you know the manufacturing date of this helmet. On mine only marked w/3 which I don't undertand.
If you remove the pads it has a build date decal in it.
Would like more info on Cardo installation…👍
Outstanding review! I just purchased this helmet with the SRL integrated com system, but I really liked your description of how and why you mounted a different system on your helmet, including the adhesion enhancer that you talked about. (It would be great if you could put a link to exactly what that adhesion enhancer is. I can't seem to find it.) Thanks for this review!
Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy the helmet! Here is the 3M adhesion promoter that I always use: 3M 4298 Adhesion Promoter, 3 Sponge Applicators www.amazon.com/dp/B07MVK1PG6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bYJEFbJ4Y0ED4
Thank you for the great video.
How does the size compare to air fit 2
Hi, when you open the helmet in the video never get the last position, lock position y jet mode, in this position takes the go pro easy.
Saludos, sorry for my bad english.
Great review!
I have Shoei Neotec 2. I took the first one back because it was noisy. The replacement is not much better. For the price, I expected a quieter helmet. Even with earplugs, it's noisy. Any suggestions?
what aboout exo at950 ?
which one is quieter ?
I have not used an at950 yet but plan on getting one soon for use on an ADV bike so that video will be coming in the future.
@@GetOut-Ride in most reviews they don't talk about wind noise and cold air that coming into the helmet .. please keep that in mind
I used a 3D printed Cardo adapter to attach my Cardo. So glad I did that. I have videos on my page for how I did it.
I normally wear a large, but I have tried numerous Shoei helmets in large, and they have hurt my ears, and my jaw. Maybe I should have tried an XL. Large Arai's in contrast fit me great. My issue with modular helmets is the weight, often 4 pounds. I've been looking at the HJC 90S Carbon because it's lighter, and Champion helmets found it to be one of the quietest. I'm mainly interested in it for winter riding. I used to be a die hard full face wearer, then a modular helmet wearer, but I found both hot and stuffy on hot days, so I purchased a 3/4 helmet with face shield, with the intent of using it only for riding in the heat. Well, I got used to the more open feel, the lighter weight, and I just feel more connected to the ride in it. Now I don't have any desire to go back.
Hi mate. Is great review. You know if you raise the front. the front has two locking positions. push more up.
Thank you for the feedback, not sure how I never noticed that. Now I like it even more!
Heck yeah just what I posted. Lol.
Just bought the Neotec 2. Wasn't happy with the reviews for the SRL systems, so for $50 more I bought the Sena 50S. Way better system for just a bit more. Haven't had a chance to test it out yet, but hopefully this week.
I have the Shoei adventure helmet with PT Bold, and it fits like a glove(except speakers).I like everything about the helmet. I also have a Schuberth C3pro which is not the best fit for me, and pulls the hair at the top of my head. I bought a new Goldwing and have been trying to use the Shuberth but to no avail. After wearing my Shoei for the past 3 years, I’ve learned the difference between, it works well enough, and complete and total comfort. I’ve researched several less expensive helmets, but keep coming back to the Neotec 2. I liked your review, and tips. So to my question. Do the JBL speakers bother the fitment? The packtalk speakers sat on top of the cutouts more or less on my Shoei adv helmet. Took me awhile to get them to stop moving around when putting the helmet on and off. Also, a review of the helmet interior would be nice. Subscribed and thank you.
Thank you for the info on the Schuberth, that is really helpful! As far as the PT Bold, the newer units with the 45mm JBL speakers does cause some minor issues because most helmet speaker pockets are made for 40mm speakers. In the Neotec 2 it does require taking and Xacto knife of something similar to just slightly trim the speaker pockets to fit. I have had to do that to every helmet I’ve installed them into but they are a perfect fit every time and have never been an issue after that. In the Neotec they are perfectly recessed and have not moved at all. If you have a PT Bold unit that came out prior to the JBL edition that still has the older 40mm speakers, no modifications are needed for a perfect fit.
@@GetOut-Ride Just had a look at the Cardo site & you can purchase 40mm speakers albeit not JBL from them, hope this helps. Ride safe everybody! Bikers across the pond.