I support this bill as progress on the grand scale but as a person who has lived in poverty and simplicity/low emissions as a result of that poverty, no car, few possessions, no air travel... I find it has little to help me as a renter in my low income apt, unless my landlord is sympathetic. Most of the benefits will go to people who own homes and have equity to borrow on or the income level to purchase an electric car. So it seems like the class component is missing and once again the people who contributed the least to this consumption/carbon emissions related problem are the last to benefit from this bill or have very little agency in its application. I do understand how building these tools to scale will make them more affordable.
This bill literally lowers prescription drug prices by allowing Medicare to negotiate them though. Why should it help you with your apartment rent? That has nothing to do with climate change or helping America broadly
We can not solve this without ratcheting down consumption. Where and how are these components for this " clean" energy come from? These components dont come cleanly out of the earth. This is not a solution just a new way to make loads more money.
@@deaththekid3998 the solar panels are not recyclable, neither are the wind turbines. They also dont last as long as u think. The batteries for storage need lots of lithium and plastic which means if everyone has to have em, means more drilling of oil and open pit mines for mining of rare earth minerals that use huge machinery -that not only tears up and destroys-pollutes land and water, displaces people, animals, and plants in the habitats under lithium deposits, they guzzle fossil fuels and pollute the air too. The "green" solutions are going to need more fossil fuels when production gets kicked in2 high gear and think about where that comes from. Thats just a few of the problems that will be unleashed on a massive scale which is way worse. This climate crisis has to center on lowering consumption, because pretending that this will be solved by not changing just replacing the energy source is a huge mistake.
Holy crap are you kidding with this reply? I’m going to try to make myself feel better by assuming you’re a foreign troll…insane people. So you just don’t want to address the problem I guess, “lowering consumption” you must be one of those that supports closing existing oil drilling infrastructure as if people don’t have to drive to work.
I've listened to two very interesting presentations on this now from Watson, but I haven't heard anything about 'what could go wrong', 'what perverse incentives are there' etc.
heat pumps sound nice, until you hear the details. - they are actually quite noisy - they require a lot of space, both the water tank it uses as thermal battery and the external equipment AND the pipes between the two - you can't put them too close to the house because noise and leaky gases - you can't put them too far away because ever feet of distance means huge thermal losses - you can't really heat water above 45C, 115F because it's not efficient. But that's too low for certain environments and requirements, so all heat pumps are also immersion heaters. That's right, we stopped burning gas locally, to burn gas in a distance to generate energy to be used in a giant resistor and be used as waste heat. Did you know that gas boilers are not that inefficient in the first place? and they heat water to 80C no problem. Very fast too. Also not very noisy. All the pipes are out of sight.
Also most homes cant handle the new load and now have to upgrade their panel which if ur using less energy makes no sense. The electrical grid cant handle current loads let alone more being drawn on during the coldest months of the year. Its a racket. And worse in the long run.
What you point out is that the beauty of being a Democrat is never having to live with consequences of the policies they force on the rest of us. Just what are you going to do in a place that freezes to below zero degrees Fahrenheit all winter long... Instead of being comfortable, the Democrats just want people to shiver through the winter. Propane is still better than electric. Wood is still the cheapest way to heat a home. The key is to resist and refuse any help from the communists running our government.
@@hhheee3939”but we have to do reduce consumption!” Nah bud you’re just opposed to doing anything about climate change at all, as evidenced by your false claim here about heat pumps and endorsement of a comment full of bullet pointed false claims about heat pumps. Lol
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I support this bill as progress on the grand scale but as a person who has lived in poverty and simplicity/low emissions as a result of that poverty, no car, few possessions, no air travel... I find it has little to help me as a renter in my low income apt, unless my landlord is sympathetic. Most of the benefits will go to people who own homes and have equity to borrow on or the income level to purchase an electric car. So it seems like the class component is missing and once again the people who contributed the least to this consumption/carbon emissions related problem are the last to benefit from this bill or have very little agency in its application. I do understand how building these tools to scale will make them more affordable.
I think that's why the GOP let this pass.
This bill literally lowers prescription drug prices by allowing Medicare to negotiate them though. Why should it help you with your apartment rent? That has nothing to do with climate change or helping America broadly
@@benday1218why should the bill have done anything to help anyone with their rent? It’s not about that.
This bill isn't about climate. It's about protectionism. Previously Chinese jobs are coming to a town near you.
The age of fossil fuels is passing.
Hi,
Very grateful for you. Does this law apply to the second home?
Thank you
We can not solve this without ratcheting down consumption. Where and how are these components for this " clean" energy come from? These components dont come cleanly out of the earth. This is not a solution just a new way to make loads more money.
Oil also comes out of the earth. But components and minerals can also be recycled and reused, no such option with fossil fuels.
@@deaththekid3998 the solar panels are not recyclable, neither are the wind turbines. They also dont last as long as u think. The batteries for storage need lots of lithium and plastic which means if everyone has to have em, means more drilling of oil and open pit mines for mining of rare earth minerals that use huge machinery -that not only tears up and destroys-pollutes land and water, displaces people, animals, and plants in the habitats under lithium deposits, they guzzle fossil fuels and pollute the air too. The "green" solutions are going to need more fossil fuels when production gets kicked in2 high gear and think about where that comes from. Thats just a few of the problems that will be unleashed on a massive scale which is way worse. This climate crisis has to center on lowering consumption, because pretending that this will be solved by not changing just replacing the energy source is a huge mistake.
Holy crap are you kidding with this reply? I’m going to try to make myself feel better by assuming you’re a foreign troll…insane people.
So you just don’t want to address the problem I guess, “lowering consumption” you must be one of those that supports closing existing oil drilling infrastructure as if people don’t have to drive to work.
1% tax on stock buybacks is a joke! That will do nothing!
I’m excited for this bill!
I've listened to two very interesting presentations on this now from Watson, but I haven't heard anything about 'what could go wrong', 'what perverse incentives are there' etc.
I feel like Mark Blyths episode describing the IRA as bidenomics had a lot about perverse incentives
You mean you want to be told why the bill is allegedly bad because Biden and co signed it into law?
@@nixon5452can you give a single example of the “perverse incentives”?
heat pumps sound nice, until you hear the details.
- they are actually quite noisy
- they require a lot of space, both the water tank it uses as thermal battery and the external equipment AND the pipes between the two
- you can't put them too close to the house because noise and leaky gases
- you can't put them too far away because ever feet of distance means huge thermal losses
- you can't really heat water above 45C, 115F because it's not efficient. But that's too low for certain environments and requirements, so all heat pumps are also immersion heaters. That's right, we stopped burning gas locally, to burn gas in a distance to generate energy to be used in a giant resistor and be used as waste heat. Did you know that gas boilers are not that inefficient in the first place? and they heat water to 80C no problem. Very fast too. Also not very noisy. All the pipes are out of sight.
Also most homes cant handle the new load and now have to upgrade their panel which if ur using less energy makes no sense. The electrical grid cant handle current loads let alone more being drawn on during the coldest months of the year. Its a racket. And worse in the long run.
What you point out is that the beauty of being a Democrat is never having to live with consequences of the policies they force on the rest of us. Just what are you going to do in a place that freezes to below zero degrees Fahrenheit all winter long... Instead of being comfortable, the Democrats just want people to shiver through the winter.
Propane is still better than electric. Wood is still the cheapest way to heat a home. The key is to resist and refuse any help from the communists running our government.
@@hhheee3939”but we have to do reduce consumption!” Nah bud you’re just opposed to doing anything about climate change at all, as evidenced by your false claim here about heat pumps and endorsement of a comment full of bullet pointed false claims about heat pumps. Lol