at first her hair confused me since im used to roxy art with her with very neat hair but i am now used to it and think it suits her. there is nothing neat about roxy’s shes a crazy gorl and i love the art and sprites.
dirk is literally less evil than jane in the epilogue but we cant redeem him but jane is still precious. plus jane goes evil in both time lines dirk literally killed himself rather than turn evil or let the candy universes literal corruption affect him.
Yeah. Plus he got mixed up with versions of him selves that were prototyped and smooshed together with caliborn. Lil cal anyone? Doc scratch? LORD ENGLISH???? of course hes evil
Her hair make me remember Gamzee and some poses to Vriska, so i was feeling off the whole time, then in the credit show the artist for the 3 was the same, so there is that. 😔
Its just because compared to the other sprites, this artist's style really stands out as different. I had the same problem (in a lesser extend) with Elwurd and Tavros, the only trolls without ears (that i noticed). It just looked off *shrugs*
What RodExe said, the artist who made the sprite's style doesn't gel 100% with the style of the other sprites. Doesn't help that they didn't choose the best sprites to show her off in the original post when she has way better ones. I was one of the people who didn't like her sprite initially, but now that I've seen her other poses I think it's pretty good.
Omg what if we meet the dancestors and after that we meet Calliope and Caliborn! Imagine Mspa trying to make friends with Caliborn and Damara lmfao Or Mspa being mindcontrolled by Kurloz!! Or Mspa freeing Meulin from Kurloz's mindcontrol! Oooooor Mspa trying to be "hip" with the "youth" with Latula and Mituna!
This also means all the dancestors wouldnt be as mentally and physically hindered as they used to be! So that means Mitunas head wouldnt be scrambled and so and so.
I heard a someone on the pesterquest team say that the final route was after roxy's. As much as i would LOVE to meet calliope and the dancesters i dont think it will happen. But, i truly do hope we get more bc i love calliope so much
While Roxy's route had me thinking plenty about everyone's favorite Rogue of Void, it also made me think a bit about the Heir too. Void players are, of course, distinct from each other, but they do tend to share some common aspects. One of those is a sense of uncertainty about their identity. Horuss flailed about for an identity that might fit him/them/it even after death, constantly adopting new ones while refusing to abandon the old; Equius was forever unsure if he wanted to be ordered or to give orders; and Roxy, perhaps even more than Jake, tried to adjust her personality based on what she thought her friends and society wanted. In the comic, Roxy also showed the advantages of not have who she is set in stone; of all the Alpha kids, she was the only one to confront her most pressing issue (alcoholism) and overcome it, and that's in no small part because she decided she didn't want it to define her anymore. Contrast this with Light players, who tend to have absolute certainty in who they think they are (even if they're mistaken), and thus tend to react... poorly when their self-image is threatened, either getting highly defensive or over-correcting. Nevertheless, that kind of identity limbo is deeply taxing. As such, Roxy's comment that she wasn't sure if she wants to be WITH Dirk or to BE Dirk reframes Equius's somewhat indiscriminate thirst. Equius allowed his deeply unfair society to define him; whether by his adherence to it or his betray of it. And while he doesn't hit on EVERYONE in Homestuck, he nevertheless was almost always pretty easy to get... riled. With the context of what Roxy said, this can be seen as him desperately trying to find a connection or persona that would help him feel complete. In the process he somewhat alienated most people from him, which only enhanced his sense of isolation and longing; thus setting up the brutal cycle which would culminate in him accepting death-by-clown as a good end, if for no other reason than it played into the hierarchy he'd leaned on for so long. But that isn't how it had to go; indeed, Equius might have just as readily accepted death at Aradia or Karkat's hands, as violating Alternia's system was just as important to his sense of self. Therefore, it's perhaps less interesting to look at who got Equius all sweaty, and more interesting to look at the two people we know mostly didn't: Vriska and Eridan. Despite being neighbors, Vriska and Equius don't seem to have interacted much outside of passing acquaintance and necessity. Upper castes in Alternia are expected to scheme against each other, and Vriska tended to be dismissive of people she didn't think she could either control and/or bond with (not to mention Equius is an abysmal RPer), but I also think Vriska just didn't have much to offer Equius in terms of figuring out who he was. Aside from the fact that Vriska was far more willing to commit murder than the strictly vegetarian Equius, she was consumed by a deep-seated self loathing and sense of inferiority that she tried to paper over with a veneer of extreme self-confidence, egotism and confidence in the Alternian system. Being consumed by contradictory self-images that you try to ignore by focusing on Alternian societal expectations was one thing Equius both didn't need and didn't want any help in understanding. As for Eridan, Equius could brush off his lack of interest in the sea-dweller by relying on the old rivalry between land-dwellers and sea-dwellers (antiquated traditions being his go-to excuse for just about anything, really), but I think once again the bigger problem was that Eridan both was too much like Equius, and might force Equius to confront certain uncomfortable truths. Eridan, even more than Equius, tried to hit on everyone, albeit he wanted a relationship more out of a pure need for companionship and validation than a hidden desire for self-adjustment. Perhaps Equius knew enough about how others saw him to know that that wasn't a part of himself that needed more emphasis; indeed, maybe one of the reasons his friends tolerated him was because Eridan presented an example of how he could be worse. Potentially more important, though, was that Eridan fully bought into Alternia's social hierarchy and was willing to kill to enforce it. For all his rhetoric, Equius was far more talk than action when it came to such enforcement, and avoiding Eridan was an easy way to not admit that. Even more important than who Equius rejected, though, is who didn't reject Equius. And no, I'm not talking about Robo-Aradia; that was mostly a fling begun by her getting overwhelmed with her newly rediscovered emotions, and then perpetuated by a mutual fondness for destruction, both physical and societal. I'm of course talking about Nepeta. Unlike Vriska, Nepeta actually was fairly comfortable in her own skin - indeed, she may have been the most so of any of the trolls - and she was freely willing to both correct and play along with Equius's numerous complexes, so his attraction to her is obvious. Not to mention she provided a convenient excuse when he did/didn't want to do things that society said he shouldn't/should want to do; he could claim that his behavior was to keep her happy. I still think that, had Equius known what fate awaited his moirail, he might well have killed Gamzee. But what did Nepeta see in him? Yes, she clearly had a thing for self-appointed leaders, but that's a bit surface level. And Nepeta did balance out Equius's more aggressive tendencies like a moirail is expected to, but if that was all there was between them she would have felt as burdened by him as Feferi was by Eridan. And it's not that she was the only one to see past his flaws; Equius was generally tolerated, if not liked, by his friends, and was considered fairly reliable. He was a good guide for her at times, as he was less naive about how Alternia worked, but that also seems a bit shallow to make her fall in love. Rather, I think that, as a Heart player, Nepeta was attracted by both the uncertainty about himself that Equius suffered from - something that she, for better or worse, rarely had - and the prospect of helping him relieve it - as befits the Rogue of Heart, stealing people's identities via RP was her speciality. "But I can fix him!" is rarely the healthy start to a relationship, but in Equius's case Nepeta was less interested in "fixing" him then in helping him realize he was never as broken as he thought. And in often contravening her, Equius either helped guide her off paths that she might otherwise have blindly walked, or gave her an opportunity to justify herself, thereby letting her adjust her sense of self with the help of an outside perspective she could refuse if she wanted. She thus avoided the Heart pitfalls of either mangling her identity through wallowing self-reflection, or handing her sense of self entirely to another in a desperate attempt to avoid that. In other words, she didn't love him despite their debates and differences and arguments; in many ways, she loved him because of those. It's easy to imagine how terrible Equius might have turned out if he hadn't had Nepeta to drag him out of the dark when he needed it, but I think it speaks to the benefits of Void that Nepeta might well have become a tool (in either sense of the word) without a little reassuring darkness in her life. Anyway, thanks for reading my essay! tl;dr Void is awesome and terrible and I love it to bits.
If it wasn't for the notification of this video i woudn't have known vol 13 was out . I played this instead of doing my homework becose i had a bad day and I coudn't be bothered anymore
RIP transgirl roxy headcanon, you were the best while you lasted. its unfortunate all we have left is vriska and an already dead character. i just find it ironic that the character most of the trans-femme people in the fandom identified with, and named themselves after, ended up being the other way around. maybe its just me though.
Eden Bradstreet sorry, i can't tell if youre making a joke or not, i was talking about how roxy was the main person everyone headcanoned as being a trans woman, so a lot of people are really disappointed in the PQ & HS2/Epilogue team for continually doing whatever they can to that headcanon not be true in anyway :C. its like if dave suddenly came out as a trans woman, despite being popularly known for trans men to associate with.
No i got that. You mentioned that all you have left is vriska and an already dead character. I wasnt sure who the dead character was, and given that people in the stream were theorizing that calliope was already dead i figured thats who you were talking about. But i wasn't sure. So thats why i asked. If it helps i think someone on the pq team said that all versions of roxy are valid, but i guess that a dubiously cannon trans man roxy would stifle that headcannon :/
@@graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace the team doesnt have yo cater to the fandoms headcanons. and besides ... wouldnt that go against their story? They're nonbinary if you've bothered to go through the epilogues, that's still canon representation
@@KingOpenReview I thought in candy they were a girl still? I remember something about how being pregnant made them more accepting of their body n stuff, I might not remember correctly tho :p
@@a-bird-lover It's complicated. She was talking about how she felt comfortable with her body, but not in a sense that it necessarily felf female. Being pregnant made her feel detached from gender as a concept. I don't think she actually said she was non-binary in that timeline. It just kind of sounded like she was by how she described her thoughts on the matter.
@@KingOpenReview ah ok! That makes sense, I kinda rushed through candy cause I didn't find it too interesting and didn't pick up a lot of the finer details
i dont know why callie wouldnt exist if the game stopped the kids still exist despite the fact that the trolls game never took place, and the alpha kids exist despite the fact that the beta kids never made the scratch plus, the game still does exist, somehow kinda, right? jack noir was in the jade route while at prospit, in one ending, i think?
I wasn't too fond of it at first either. I don't mind it as much now, it's just that awkward curve at the top that bugged me a bit. It feels a bit less hair like compared to the rest. I'm fine with the rest of it tbh.
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Thanks Ryan! I totally came here to hear about your laptop's incompetence every 12 seconds!
reminder that I do not get paid to stream, so I'm welcome to talk about anything I want for long periods of time
I would think that would mean that you shouldn't come here then.
@@RyanPhantomOfficial CORRECT
@@RyanPhantomOfficial From a year later: ily
The Reader rejecting Dirk's choices had me shook.
at first her hair confused me since im used to roxy art with her with very neat hair but i am now used to it and think it suits her. there is nothing neat about roxy’s shes a crazy gorl and i love the art and sprites.
1:00:31 they timed the route’s pace + the song PERFECTLY omfg
I can’t wait for Dirk’s route. I can’t be the only one that likes Dirk right?
Blitz oh thank god.
Yup
I have a feeling it's not gonna be that simple...
I love him. And for that reason, im terrified for his route
I’m so fucking ready like April 1st CAN’t get here any sooner 😩
dirk is literally less evil than jane in the epilogue but we cant redeem him but jane is still precious. plus jane goes evil in both time lines dirk literally killed himself rather than turn evil or let the candy universes literal corruption affect him.
Sometimes, to save everyone you have to be the bad guy. Nothing is without a price to pay.
Yeah. Plus he got mixed up with versions of him selves that were prototyped and smooshed together with caliborn. Lil cal anyone? Doc scratch? LORD ENGLISH???? of course hes evil
why does everyone think these sprites are ass, they're so good. at 19:37 i felt that
Her hair make me remember Gamzee and some poses to Vriska, so i was feeling off the whole time, then in the credit show the artist for the 3 was the same, so there is that. 😔
Its just because compared to the other sprites, this artist's style really stands out as different. I had the same problem (in a lesser extend) with Elwurd and Tavros, the only trolls without ears (that i noticed). It just looked off *shrugs*
What RodExe said, the artist who made the sprite's style doesn't gel 100% with the style of the other sprites.
Doesn't help that they didn't choose the best sprites to show her off in the original post when she has way better ones.
I was one of the people who didn't like her sprite initially, but now that I've seen her other poses I think it's pretty good.
RodExe I'm pretty sure none of them were drawn with ears except mallek and lanque? tavros/elwurd's shaven haircuts just make it extra jarring lol
20:48 broke my heart ryan :( I completely forgot she was alone and probably hasn't heard anyone talk, also wondering how she learned English :(((
Maybe videos and recorded shit? That's how I started learning another language, so it could be that.
well also she thinks you are a chess guy, you know, the ones that can't talk
I highkey headcanon that roxys misspelling quirk while talking is her mispronouncing words due to slower speech development
Omg what if we meet the dancestors and after that we meet Calliope and Caliborn!
Imagine Mspa trying to make friends with Caliborn and Damara lmfao
Or Mspa being mindcontrolled by Kurloz!! Or Mspa freeing Meulin from Kurloz's mindcontrol!
Oooooor Mspa trying to be "hip" with the "youth" with Latula and Mituna!
This also means all the dancestors wouldnt be as mentally and physically hindered as they used to be! So that means Mitunas head wouldnt be scrambled and so and so.
I heard a someone on the pesterquest team say that the final route was after roxy's. As much as i would LOVE to meet calliope and the dancesters i dont think it will happen. But, i truly do hope we get more bc i love calliope so much
@@penusbutter4182 aw man..i hope we can meet their story one day. One day.
@@notfrayleigh2557 one day
35:58 THE DAVE POSE
While Roxy's route had me thinking plenty about everyone's favorite Rogue of Void, it also made me think a bit about the Heir too.
Void players are, of course, distinct from each other, but they do tend to share some common aspects. One of those is a sense of uncertainty about their identity. Horuss flailed about for an identity that might fit him/them/it even after death, constantly adopting new ones while refusing to abandon the old; Equius was forever unsure if he wanted to be ordered or to give orders; and Roxy, perhaps even more than Jake, tried to adjust her personality based on what she thought her friends and society wanted. In the comic, Roxy also showed the advantages of not have who she is set in stone; of all the Alpha kids, she was the only one to confront her most pressing issue (alcoholism) and overcome it, and that's in no small part because she decided she didn't want it to define her anymore. Contrast this with Light players, who tend to have absolute certainty in who they think they are (even if they're mistaken), and thus tend to react... poorly when their self-image is threatened, either getting highly defensive or over-correcting. Nevertheless, that kind of identity limbo is deeply taxing. As such, Roxy's comment that she wasn't sure if she wants to be WITH Dirk or to BE Dirk reframes Equius's somewhat indiscriminate thirst.
Equius allowed his deeply unfair society to define him; whether by his adherence to it or his betray of it. And while he doesn't hit on EVERYONE in Homestuck, he nevertheless was almost always pretty easy to get... riled. With the context of what Roxy said, this can be seen as him desperately trying to find a connection or persona that would help him feel complete. In the process he somewhat alienated most people from him, which only enhanced his sense of isolation and longing; thus setting up the brutal cycle which would culminate in him accepting death-by-clown as a good end, if for no other reason than it played into the hierarchy he'd leaned on for so long. But that isn't how it had to go; indeed, Equius might have just as readily accepted death at Aradia or Karkat's hands, as violating Alternia's system was just as important to his sense of self. Therefore, it's perhaps less interesting to look at who got Equius all sweaty, and more interesting to look at the two people we know mostly didn't: Vriska and Eridan.
Despite being neighbors, Vriska and Equius don't seem to have interacted much outside of passing acquaintance and necessity. Upper castes in Alternia are expected to scheme against each other, and Vriska tended to be dismissive of people she didn't think she could either control and/or bond with (not to mention Equius is an abysmal RPer), but I also think Vriska just didn't have much to offer Equius in terms of figuring out who he was. Aside from the fact that Vriska was far more willing to commit murder than the strictly vegetarian Equius, she was consumed by a deep-seated self loathing and sense of inferiority that she tried to paper over with a veneer of extreme self-confidence, egotism and confidence in the Alternian system. Being consumed by contradictory self-images that you try to ignore by focusing on Alternian societal expectations was one thing Equius both didn't need and didn't want any help in understanding.
As for Eridan, Equius could brush off his lack of interest in the sea-dweller by relying on the old rivalry between land-dwellers and sea-dwellers (antiquated traditions being his go-to excuse for just about anything, really), but I think once again the bigger problem was that Eridan both was too much like Equius, and might force Equius to confront certain uncomfortable truths. Eridan, even more than Equius, tried to hit on everyone, albeit he wanted a relationship more out of a pure need for companionship and validation than a hidden desire for self-adjustment. Perhaps Equius knew enough about how others saw him to know that that wasn't a part of himself that needed more emphasis; indeed, maybe one of the reasons his friends tolerated him was because Eridan presented an example of how he could be worse. Potentially more important, though, was that Eridan fully bought into Alternia's social hierarchy and was willing to kill to enforce it. For all his rhetoric, Equius was far more talk than action when it came to such enforcement, and avoiding Eridan was an easy way to not admit that.
Even more important than who Equius rejected, though, is who didn't reject Equius. And no, I'm not talking about Robo-Aradia; that was mostly a fling begun by her getting overwhelmed with her newly rediscovered emotions, and then perpetuated by a mutual fondness for destruction, both physical and societal. I'm of course talking about Nepeta.
Unlike Vriska, Nepeta actually was fairly comfortable in her own skin - indeed, she may have been the most so of any of the trolls - and she was freely willing to both correct and play along with Equius's numerous complexes, so his attraction to her is obvious. Not to mention she provided a convenient excuse when he did/didn't want to do things that society said he shouldn't/should want to do; he could claim that his behavior was to keep her happy. I still think that, had Equius known what fate awaited his moirail, he might well have killed Gamzee. But what did Nepeta see in him? Yes, she clearly had a thing for self-appointed leaders, but that's a bit surface level. And Nepeta did balance out Equius's more aggressive tendencies like a moirail is expected to, but if that was all there was between them she would have felt as burdened by him as Feferi was by Eridan. And it's not that she was the only one to see past his flaws; Equius was generally tolerated, if not liked, by his friends, and was considered fairly reliable. He was a good guide for her at times, as he was less naive about how Alternia worked, but that also seems a bit shallow to make her fall in love. Rather, I think that, as a Heart player, Nepeta was attracted by both the uncertainty about himself that Equius suffered from - something that she, for better or worse, rarely had - and the prospect of helping him relieve it - as befits the Rogue of Heart, stealing people's identities via RP was her speciality. "But I can fix him!" is rarely the healthy start to a relationship, but in Equius's case Nepeta was less interested in "fixing" him then in helping him realize he was never as broken as he thought. And in often contravening her, Equius either helped guide her off paths that she might otherwise have blindly walked, or gave her an opportunity to justify herself, thereby letting her adjust her sense of self with the help of an outside perspective she could refuse if she wanted. She thus avoided the Heart pitfalls of either mangling her identity through wallowing self-reflection, or handing her sense of self entirely to another in a desperate attempt to avoid that. In other words, she didn't love him despite their debates and differences and arguments; in many ways, she loved him because of those. It's easy to imagine how terrible Equius might have turned out if he hadn't had Nepeta to drag him out of the dark when he needed it, but I think it speaks to the benefits of Void that Nepeta might well have become a tool (in either sense of the word) without a little reassuring darkness in her life.
Anyway, thanks for reading my essay! tl;dr Void is awesome and terrible and I love it to bits.
I feel like I've been reading this for hours, not bad.
“You posted phone, gimme your memes”
HELLO IM HERE TO SAY can we all start calling mspar "Blub" after feferis route where she called him blub
yeah
The quality looks good so it isn’t so bad on RUclips as you might think
That was a tough bad end. Roxy's sprite is perfect.
Mspa was able to resist because Roxy is the only person Dirk can’t influence
27:39 that got me thinking. What if MSPA mucking up the timeline is part of Dirk's grand plan?
If it wasn't for the notification of this video i woudn't have known vol 13 was out . I played this instead of doing my homework becose i had a bad day and I coudn't be bothered anymore
LOOK AT THOES DAM GOOD SPRITES just look at them and the fruit rope up break tho
49:21
You try very hard to not make a mom joke.A crude one.
You try to remember that this is Rose you're talking about.This do little to dissuade you.
I disliked the sprites at first, but they've grown on me, she looks cute!
from 23:58 to when ryan gets the choices, that sounded a lot like dirk interfering, but slightly :/ / / / / hmmm
I think the response text (chungus) was mspar but the choices were dirk
Ahh!! Always miss the streams but I'll never miss the videos. your reactions to shit makes me lose it laughing.
I’m losing my mind! The lore is gonna get me
Absolutely marvelous 👌👌
Her (his) hair!! We love a curl 💕
RIP transgirl roxy headcanon, you were the best while you lasted. its unfortunate all we have left is vriska and an already dead character. i just find it ironic that the character most of the trans-femme people in the fandom identified with, and named themselves after, ended up being the other way around. maybe its just me though.
Is the already dead oneyoure referening to, callie?
Eden Bradstreet sorry, i can't tell if youre making a joke or not, i was talking about how roxy was the main person everyone headcanoned as being a trans woman, so a lot of people are really disappointed in the PQ & HS2/Epilogue team for continually doing whatever they can to that headcanon not be true in anyway :C. its like if dave suddenly came out as a trans woman, despite being popularly known for trans men to associate with.
No i got that. You mentioned that all you have left is vriska and an already dead character. I wasnt sure who the dead character was, and given that people in the stream were theorizing that calliope was already dead i figured thats who you were talking about. But i wasn't sure. So thats why i asked. If it helps i think someone on the pq team said that all versions of roxy are valid, but i guess that a dubiously cannon trans man roxy would stifle that headcannon :/
@@graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace the team doesnt have yo cater to the fandoms headcanons. and besides ... wouldnt that go against their story? They're nonbinary if you've bothered to go through the epilogues, that's still canon representation
@@graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace yeah fair enough
Oh noes. This ones rough
ryan: i like to keep things professional in streams
also ryan: *goes on a twenty minute deviation to find the "its hip to fuck bees" audio clip*
I'm
ready
for
DIRK
Chat was rabid during this stream lmao
1:00:30 Is no one gonna talk about that fucking sprite. Like jesus christ that is intense. I'm in love with whoever made this.
I wish we would've gotten more than 2 cats in the backgrounds. I wanted dozens of the fuckers just kinda sprawled everywhere.
"velveteen chess guy" is mapa like an albino leprechaun? (I think the felt guys are called leprechauns? It's been awhile since I read homestuck lmao)
That shit hurted
I think it's third place in "soulcrushing bad ends" next to skylla and tyzias
1:20:38 bi lighting :))
Toastgineer is here
Enginyeet
Holy fuck the bad long end of this route made me want to crush Roxy in a hug. Made me f e e l like shit. That's the worst I've felt since Game Over
The background music was making me sleepy
wait hold on I thought Roxy came out as non binary and not a guy in the epilogues
He was non-binary for a while in meat then was a guy by the end. In candy they seem non-binary.
@@KingOpenReview kook thanks bro
@@KingOpenReview I thought in candy they were a girl still? I remember something about how being pregnant made them more accepting of their body n stuff, I might not remember correctly tho :p
@@a-bird-lover It's complicated. She was talking about how she felt comfortable with her body, but not in a sense that it necessarily felf female. Being pregnant made her feel detached from gender as a concept. I don't think she actually said she was non-binary in that timeline. It just kind of sounded like she was by how she described her thoughts on the matter.
@@KingOpenReview ah ok! That makes sense, I kinda rushed through candy cause I didn't find it too interesting and didn't pick up a lot of the finer details
Fruit roll ups are Betty Crocker...
mama lalonde stole my wig and burned it
ROXY I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU SO MUCH..........
Roxy's hair looks like Cotton Candy. 🍭
i dont know why callie wouldnt exist if the game stopped
the kids still exist despite the fact that the trolls game never took place, and the alpha kids exist despite the fact that the beta kids never made the scratch
plus, the game still does exist, somehow kinda, right? jack noir was in the jade route while at prospit, in one ending, i think?
God this is the saddest route since nepeta
Also I want roxy and mspar to be moirals
Does anyone know what the song is that's used in the bad route?
Also I'm. Emotional. Roxy I love you
Nvm lol I watched to the end, I'm stutid
neutral sprite
:'( Roxy...
I want alpha rose to...
Hug me
first
I still do not like her hair
my condolences on ur loss of good opinions
@@RyanPhantomOfficial ayy lmao
I wasn't too fond of it at first either. I don't mind it as much now, it's just that awkward curve at the top that bugged me a bit. It feels a bit less hair like compared to the rest.
I'm fine with the rest of it tbh.
racism