I know this long format and topic won't be a high view count as a more trendy topic but I really appreciate this content. Seems to be some actual journalism that simply content creation which is truly missed. Thank you.
Less than 6% of Americans have ever stepped foot into a bicycle store. All the brands featured are awesome. We need them but also somehow we need to build affordable bikes for the every day person kids bikes, as well as a $400 general purpose bike.
Just bought HEDs for my TT bike. Where the rims were made was not actually part of my calculus, but the holiday sale price and lack of a customs duty compared to, say, SwissSide or Parcours played a major role. Consumers and small retail businesses will be hurt the most by tariffs. Off-shore manufacturing will stay off-shore. Those Made in China labels are already being replaced by Made in Indonesia labels, not because of the threat of tariffs, but because Chinese labor is already too expensive.
As an Ibis owner, I really enjoyed the discussion with Hans who is a legend in the bike world. I wonder what the new bike is they have planned for the factory that he mentioned?
I could listen to Hans Heim for an hour solid or more. That man shared huge insights between American and Asian manufacturing with true manufacturing knowledge. Obviously a brilliant business mind to be proficient in both disciplines. Also really enjoyed Anne Hed and their history, they're such kings in American composite manufacturing. Great episode Ben!
Mr. Heim @ Ibis is the first industry insider I've seen or heard (in RUclips vids, at least) discussing and innovating regarding how to increase manufacturing efficiency in order to reduce the cost of carbon fiber frames/components. Everyone else in industry is spending R&D $$ on innovating aero shape, weight, brake tech, tire tech, wheel width, ceramic bearings/pulleys blah blah blah, for ever diminishing speed gains. That's why bike prices have been skyrocketing for years. I'm waiting in the wings (while riding and enjoying my entry-ish aluminum bike from 2018) for a low to mid-level carbon framed bike to become the same or close in price as all the AL versions. I'd jump on that in heart-beat. I hope he can apply this new tech and gain competitive advantage and it is noticed by others in industry (on the road bike side, which is what I enjoy, to each their own of course).
I worked in two different bike factories in the mid to late 90s in Oregon. The frames were steel and aluminum then but we made high end stuff. It was good work, but I moved on and eventually one of those factories moved over seas. We basically gave away our manufacturing base to the first to take it up, sad to see, glad its coming back, especially in bikes.
Great content here Ben. Interesting to hear about the origins of HED and the future potential plans from Ibis, excited to see what that new higher volume production bike might be.
38:00 Ibis Bicycles I had that Velo Sport Bicycles poster from the shop that I bought my ‘72 Gitane Inerclub, my first roadbike in my early teens. Berkeley CA!
My bike is a Lynskey Gr 300 made in Tennessee my wheel set is Industry Nine North Carolina my brakes are Paul Klamper California I want as many of my bike parts to be American made we need to support American companies as much as possible
I just got a Lynskey GR300 and was planning on Paul Klamper brakes, Chris King BB, and Chris King Wheels. Might have to look into the Industry Nine wheels. My goal when I bought the frame was also, to have as much American made parts on it as possible.
I'm curious of the prices, also where does the materials come from, etc... TBH I'm in Europe, and many "European" made bikes are just paint or assembled here, frame and parts sourced from Taiwan, etc.
I love my Lynskey that was made ~5 miles from me. I also love my Chris King components. It is possible to make things in the US. We just have to be willing to pay for products that were made by people earning a decent wage.
S&M/Fit still makes BMX frames forks and bars in the U.S. They are traditional chromoly with not many fittings, but extrapolating from their frame prices ($500) and without any bike industry knowledge, I'm thinking a simple classic steel road frame should be able to be made for around $800?
@ They have their own extrusion and form and drill on sight Doing a big project with braided carbon still in progress not sure of source of there current carbon rims
@@tommays56Boyd is also bringing their carbon production in house. The Greenville, SC area is becoming a hot spot for carbon production (BMW & Clemson University have a research project driving the technology). Time bicycles are also bringing frame production there and I believe Boyd will be using the same resin transfer process for their carbon.
I try to buy made in the USA whenever possible, but the budget is a big determining factor in my purchase. I think that once they get a manufacturing base started for a few years the prices may start to level out. The early years the companies are just trying to recover some of the startup price of machinery.
I ride a Chumba made in Austin TX, and use Paul Components for brakes, all made in the USA. My road bike is a Guipago made in Mass. USA. There are plenty of frames of all kinds made in the USA. There is literally no good reason to buy anything but a US made bike if you want a US made product. Velocity rims also made in the US.
Well yes a few more made in USA brands, such as Co Motion, Yuba, etc would have been nice, however it is hard to track when a producer ventures over to the Dark Side. For example i have an Ibis Ripley AF, but i wonder was the frame made in the USA?
The major problem of manufacturing affordable bikes in US, according to experiences start up, and engineers is much more spread network of specialized sub-contractior than in Asia China, Taiwan etc) Basically they have across the street all needed specialists to weld, to paint, etc. Very rarely it would happened in US. I am not talking bikes above 4-K, to manufacture expensive bike is not a problem, the markets are full of them.
I have a huge preference for small companies, like the ones featured here. No, they're not cheap, but as mentioned, you're paying for the product, not the marketing budget.
I think we care where our products are made, I do. We wish it all could be made in USA. (for us US citizens). That is long a non-reality. Bikes, MC's, RV's, Boats, and home computers come out of our disposible income. SO, we still want to have fun in a way that we can still shelter and feed our own families. In comes Mexico, China, India, Korea, Indonesia, Nam, etc with affordible prices. I refuse to feel guilt about buying imports.
the USA is the only country that does (yet) place tariffs on imported goods... anytime a IE: a frame is welded in Taiwan and shipped to USA for assembly with all the components, that item can be labeled : Made in USA.. if the completed bike is shipped, it cannot.. for instance: USA doesn't sell a single ford or chevy vehicle to China (even though the base price is the same as a chinese made car). because they place high tariffs on USA Cars, it makes it too expensive for the Chinese consumer to purchase.. By the US placing an equivalent tariff on items fully made outside the USA then shipped here, that Levels the playing field for US Manufacturers.. China relies on US consumers for most of their industry. they make huge profits.. the tariffs would cause them to lower their price to compete with US manufacturers.. It is a leveraging tool.. I think if we play it right, it will make all products more affordable. ($3k basic bike is too high for most consumers). the only people who can provide that currently are the foreign bike manufacturers because there are no tariffs on our end.. I honestly believe that the tariffs will help American bike Manufacturers..
Hats off to those manufacturers who kept manufacturing in the USA. As a bike reviewer I guess you can't be overly critical of those manufacturers who offshored theirs. All brands could afford to manufacture in the US, but they chose not to because they can increase profits. Anne Hed spoke beautifully of the reasons to keep manufacturing based in the US, that's a premium I'm willing to pay in the knowledge it's keeping jobs in the USA. If Trump goes through with his tariff plans, I don't think bike manufacturers will have much choice but to return to the US.
If we get a trade war, companies will,do the same as they did in 2018 with round 1 of the tariffs. They just “lobbied” republican politicians and got exemptions for their specific products. That’s exactly what the company I work for did-our china-made products continue to flow as normal.
"If Trump goes through with his tariff plans, I don't think bike manufacturers will have much choice but to return to the US." Really? Don't hold your breath!
Great interview with everyone. I'd love an Allied BC40 Frame set. But, those are way overpriced in my opinion. I feel they are missing a huge market as they are just priced out of the everyday purchaser like me. 😟
I respect the effort here to make bikes in USA. I'd like to help them, but the cost isnt just a little more, its like double for a mid level race bike. I just can't justify it. Im curious what the sales of these brands are. I wish them success, but i imagine its a tough business.
That is the pickle these brands find themselves in. Allied is the biggest carbon bike brand in the US - and they are tiny compared to a Cannondale or a Trek or a Specialized. There simply aren't any large-scale operations stateside. Cannondale and Trek used to be pretty sizable here, manufacturing wise. Specialized has never made its own bikes.
When you outsource the manufacturing, you company becomes more or less a marketing company. The knowledge and skill for manufacturing is diminished or out right lost for that company.
I have had 3 custom bikes made here in America. I also use HED and Rolf wheels. Praxis cranksets. Paul Components brakes. Ritchey handlebars, Whskey forks. Just wish we had a derailleur company.
Thought I’d throw White Industries & Chris King into this list. Also, Rene Herse in Seattle makes a derailleur… though it’s a pretty unique specialty item.
@@daveanolik8837 When I read your post, I was super enthused. I use RH tires, but hadn't looked at their components. Unfortuneatley, besides the frame having to be designed specifically to attach the derailleur, it only has a 30T max cog size.
It occurred to me that LAL bikes make rear D’s… but they’re in B.C… Sram is a US company, but doesn’t manufacture here. Kinda crazy. Thanks for illuminating.
The Allied interview was quite stupid. The interviewer clearly asked the CEO: "Is it really more costly to build here?" the dummy replied: "there is a lot of benefits to building here..." and he went on to list a few things which nobody asked about. How about if you answer the freaking question Einstein? it happens to be the tile of this video. Good lord. To make it worse the interviewer is so clueless he allowed the derailment and never brought the dummy back to answer the real question that was asked. Wow..
Politics. If you dont want to answer a question, just give an answer to question you would rather have. Tells me that the real answer is not what they want to give.
Kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. You want the workers to male fair wages and have decent standard of living, but the US wastes TRILLIONS on mismanaged healthcare, and colonial militarism. Are we supposed to support those bad choices that artificially make their costs so much higher?
Welcome to the American Boomer’s Capitalist Utopia and shitshow. Boomers who should have retired over twenty years ago and who refuse to pay legit American citizens a fair and liveable wage. #MEGeneration #spendingmykidsinheritance #winning at all costs
I gotta call bull💩 on Ibis' claims they're nearly greenhouse gas neutral. Solar panels used to create energy are fine, except those panels all have a life span (about 20-25 years). They are made from toxic materials & heavy metals, making recycling difficult and expensive. Carbon bike frames are equally difficult if not impossible to recycle. So are they really doing anything better for the environment, or are they merely using short-term metrics to make it sound better than it really is? This is not a slam on Ibis or any other manufacturers that do the same because I have a carbon bike & like the technology, but can these 🤡 quit virtue signaling how earth friendly their products & manufacturing processes are? Steel & Aluminum are still the best, most environmentally friendly options out there.
The entire "neutrality" thing is BS, and the only solution to making genuine environmental improvements is to consume as little as possible - but even a slight reduction in consumption would break our growth economy. High-end bicycles would be near the top of the list of products we caould all do without. There is nothing remorely "green" about high-end sports products, irrespective of how or where they are produced.
When i sold Tr*ks 20yrs ago. Only the cheapest road bike (1000) was made off shore. Every other ally and oclv was made in waterloo. Now only the factory team is ‘sorta’ made here. So when Mary runs for Governor of WI on a jobs platform havin sent most of manuf to asia. Well…glad she lost.
No, not at all! I had a long interview with Jake Pantone for PT 2, which I sent out in full in my newsletter a couple weeks ago. I'll do a factory tour out there at some point.
Not true at all. There are a dozen or so CNC-oriented Companies making drivetrain parts, bottom brackets, headsets, suspension, and so forth. I can think of four carbon/composite rim manufacturers and complete wheelset companies in the US.
Sure but I think it's fair to say that those companies are the exception and no the norm. Like even for the companies like Chris King or White Industries that make other components in addition to hubs, I wouldn't be surprised if hubs make up the majority of what they make and sell. Like how many Boone cranks and Ingrid derailleurs do you see out there compared to I9 and Chris King hubs?
I'd also like to know what company is doing MiUSA suspension, cause the only one I know of that's close is Cane Creek, and they aren't MiUSA, they just assemble the parts that are made in Asia
Years back I ordered a Merlin Sandstone gravel bike - at the time, the frameset was around $2,380 for a custom Ti frameset.....a great deal at the time I thought. Then the d-bag from Knight Manufacturing bought out Merlin and doubled the prices overnight. Not a fan of Phil, who basically told me he was doing me a favor by selling me my bike at the price I originally bought it for instead of his newly inflated prices. There were some issues with the bike, but he's super passive aggressive and I gave up dealing with him. Everyone else at Merlin was great to deal with though. Would go with Moots if I had to do it all over again.
That's certainly an opinion, but not something factual or even objective. What is true is that pricing a product is a lot more complicated than a lot of people think. You're free to buy as you wish, but your choices aren't superior to anyone elses, nor are your preferences or reasons.
@ objectively it’s a ripoff to charge someone for a bike with limited performance capability and uncompetitive weights. It’s hilarious that someone would attempt to defend it. You can make whatever choice you’d like. I don’t think my choices are part of the discussion. I’d say this about any brand charging 7k for a frame that cost 500$ max to make.
@@werb24 Sort of like that new $18,000 steel Colnago. Utterly ridiculous. As raw materials, carbon fiber and steel is not expensive.....yet, prices have risen astronomically. I did a conversion a few years back of cost vs. inflation, and bikes that are cheaper to make overseas cost more now than back when they were made in the U.S. But, people keep buying them, so they'll keep raising the prices.
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I know this long format and topic won't be a high view count as a more trendy topic but I really appreciate this content. Seems to be some actual journalism that simply content creation which is truly missed. Thank you.
Thanks!
Once a journalist, always a journalist!
Great content, as always.
Cheers
I love bike industry stuff like this. Thanks for putting this out.
Mr. Delaney going deep on interesting (and important) topics for our benefit. Kudos Ben!
Thanks, Life Time.
Love this!, the HED story is amazing I love it!
TIME new CEO announced to open up a new factory in USA, so as from 2025 TIME frames will be also build entirely in America.
South Carolina! Boyd wheels are made here so I hope they come stock on Time bikes!
@@Sweetskis Also new model will be released in 2025 Scalon aero!
Enjoyed the entire series Ben. Well done!
This is some fine journalism.
Thanks, Big Bison.🦬
Less than 6% of Americans have ever stepped foot into a bicycle store. All the brands featured are awesome. We need them but also somehow we need to build affordable bikes for the every day person kids bikes, as well as a $400 general purpose bike.
Merry Christmas Ben!
Thank you, sir! Merry Christmas!
So much good stuff. Thanks for digging deep into this topic and uncovering a variety of perspectives.
Just bought HEDs for my TT bike. Where the rims were made was not actually part of my calculus, but the holiday sale price and lack of a customs duty compared to, say, SwissSide or Parcours played a major role.
Consumers and small retail businesses will be hurt the most by tariffs. Off-shore manufacturing will stay off-shore. Those Made in China labels are already being replaced by Made in Indonesia labels, not because of the threat of tariffs, but because Chinese labor is already too expensive.
As an Ibis owner, I really enjoyed the discussion with Hans who is a legend in the bike world. I wonder what the new bike is they have planned for the factory that he mentioned?
Great video and series. It would have been good to hear from a couple other companies such as Forge & Bond, REEB and I9.
I could listen to Hans Heim for an hour solid or more. That man shared huge insights between American and Asian manufacturing with true manufacturing knowledge. Obviously a brilliant business mind to be proficient in both disciplines.
Also really enjoyed Anne Hed and their history, they're such kings in American composite manufacturing.
Great episode Ben!
Mr. Heim @ Ibis is the first industry insider I've seen or heard (in RUclips vids, at least) discussing and innovating regarding how to increase manufacturing efficiency in order to reduce the cost of carbon fiber frames/components. Everyone else in industry is spending R&D $$ on innovating aero shape, weight, brake tech, tire tech, wheel width, ceramic bearings/pulleys blah blah blah, for ever diminishing speed gains. That's why bike prices have been skyrocketing for years. I'm waiting in the wings (while riding and enjoying my entry-ish aluminum bike from 2018) for a low to mid-level carbon framed bike to become the same or close in price as all the AL versions. I'd jump on that in heart-beat. I hope he can apply this new tech and gain competitive advantage and it is noticed by others in industry (on the road bike side, which is what I enjoy, to each their own of course).
I worked in two different bike factories in the mid to late 90s in Oregon. The frames were steel and aluminum then but we made high end stuff. It was good work, but I moved on and eventually one of those factories moved over seas. We basically gave away our manufacturing base to the first to take it up, sad to see, glad its coming back, especially in bikes.
Great content here Ben. Interesting to hear about the origins of HED and the future potential plans from Ibis, excited to see what that new higher volume production bike might be.
38:00 Ibis Bicycles
I had that Velo Sport Bicycles poster from the shop that I bought my ‘72 Gitane Inerclub, my first roadbike in my early teens. Berkeley CA!
My bike is a Lynskey Gr 300 made in Tennessee my wheel set is Industry Nine North Carolina my brakes are Paul Klamper California I want as many of my bike parts to be American made we need to support American companies as much as possible
I just got a Lynskey GR300 and was planning on Paul Klamper brakes, Chris King BB, and Chris King Wheels. Might have to look into the Industry Nine wheels. My goal when I bought the frame was also, to have as much American made parts on it as possible.
I'm curious of the prices, also where does the materials come from, etc...
TBH I'm in Europe, and many "European" made bikes are just paint or assembled here, frame and parts sourced from Taiwan, etc.
I love my Lynskey that was made ~5 miles from me. I also love my Chris King components. It is possible to make things in the US. We just have to be willing to pay for products that were made by people earning a decent wage.
Thanks!
Thanks very much!
S&M/Fit still makes BMX frames forks and bars in the U.S. They are traditional chromoly with not many fittings, but extrapolating from their frame prices ($500) and without any bike industry knowledge, I'm thinking a simple classic steel road frame should be able to be made for around $800?
Boyd Wheels South Carolina
Love my Boyd wheels!
Do they manufacture the parts or just assemble the parts purchased from others?
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They have their own extrusion and form and drill on sight
Doing a big project with braided carbon still in progress not sure of source of there current carbon rims
@@tommays56Boyd is also bringing their carbon production in house. The Greenville, SC area is becoming a hot spot for carbon production (BMW & Clemson University have a research project driving the technology). Time bicycles are also bringing frame production there and I believe Boyd will be using the same resin transfer process for their carbon.
I try to buy made in the USA whenever possible, but the budget is a big determining factor in my purchase. I think that once they get a manufacturing base started for a few years the prices may start to level out. The early years the companies are just trying to recover some of the startup price of machinery.
My R-84 carbon framed recumbent bicycle was manufactured in Lompoc, CA by Tim Brunner at Lightning Dynamics.
Great content Ben!
I ride a Chumba made in Austin TX, and use Paul Components for brakes, all made in the USA. My road bike is a Guipago made in Mass. USA. There are plenty of frames of all kinds made in the USA. There is literally no good reason to buy anything but a US made bike if you want a US made product. Velocity rims also made in the US.
Who in America makes a groupset comparable to Shimano or SRAM?
Well yes a few more made in USA brands, such as Co Motion, Yuba, etc would have been nice, however it is hard to track when a producer ventures over to the Dark Side. For example i have an Ibis Ripley AF, but i wonder was the frame made in the USA?
Would be cool to see you chatting with the China Cycling RUclips channel and Panda Podium owner!
NO bicycle is an "investment". They're toys that depreciate in value very quickly. I hope companies like HED never go away!
Great content. I'm confused! People have frames made in Asia? Asking for a Richard Sachs and Allied owner
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Hexcel use to be based in Dublin California know for snow skis late 70' 80' amongst other light weight materials.....
Thanks for the video!!
Hey Ben, are steel bikes like the fair light secan worth it?
LITESPEED.....TN, USA
Litespeed?
The major problem of manufacturing affordable bikes in US, according to experiences start up, and engineers is much more spread network of specialized sub-contractior than in Asia China, Taiwan etc) Basically they have across the street all needed specialists to weld, to paint, etc. Very rarely it would happened in US.
I am not talking bikes above 4-K, to manufacture expensive bike is not a problem, the markets are full of them.
Could this be a new Hakka coming? New high volume bike from Ibis...
I have a huge preference for small companies, like the ones featured here. No, they're not cheap, but as mentioned, you're paying for the product, not the marketing budget.
Same here! Also Cane Creek stem and headset
I think we care where our products are made, I do. We wish it all could be made in USA. (for us US citizens). That is long a non-reality. Bikes, MC's, RV's, Boats, and home computers come out of our disposible income. SO, we still want to have fun in a way that we can still shelter and feed our own families. In comes Mexico, China, India, Korea, Indonesia, Nam, etc with affordible prices. I refuse to feel guilt about buying imports.
Any plan to talk to Pursuit Cycles?
Damn Ben knows everyone
The world of cycling is pretty small. Everyone knows everyone..or knows someone who does!
Why the hell would Ibis be “ Happy to Share” technology with Asian manufacturers? That’s training your competitors!
what about TIME frames in South Carolina? the best , so why not on here? especially for the way they're made and they don't cost the Earth
Made in Europe. The first SC frames aren’t out yet.
Next year it’s supposed to be up a running
Taiwan still makes most bikes. Quality is still quite good.
Labor arbitrage has put most manufacturing in Asia.
Not just bikes.
Business has to be profitable to be viable. High interest rate environment is not helpping.
So is it really more expensive to build here? I guess we'll never know because the interviewer never asked the question.🙄😖
the USA is the only country that does (yet) place tariffs on imported goods... anytime a IE: a frame is welded in Taiwan and shipped to USA for assembly with all the components, that item can be labeled : Made in USA.. if the completed bike is shipped, it cannot.. for instance: USA doesn't sell a single ford or chevy vehicle to China (even though the base price is the same as a chinese made car). because they place high tariffs on USA Cars, it makes it too expensive for the Chinese consumer to purchase..
By the US placing an equivalent tariff on items fully made outside the USA then shipped here, that Levels the playing field for US Manufacturers.. China relies on US consumers for most of their industry. they make huge profits.. the tariffs would cause them to lower their price to compete with US manufacturers.. It is a leveraging tool.. I think if we play it right, it will make all products more affordable. ($3k basic bike is too high for most consumers). the only people who can provide that currently are the foreign bike manufacturers because there are no tariffs on our end.. I honestly believe that the tariffs will help American bike Manufacturers..
Hats off to those manufacturers who kept manufacturing in the USA. As a bike reviewer I guess you can't be overly critical of those manufacturers who offshored theirs. All brands could afford to manufacture in the US, but they chose not to because they can increase profits. Anne Hed spoke beautifully of the reasons to keep manufacturing based in the US, that's a premium I'm willing to pay in the knowledge it's keeping jobs in the USA. If Trump goes through with his tariff plans, I don't think bike manufacturers will have much choice but to return to the US.
If we get a trade war, companies will,do the same as they did in 2018 with round 1 of the tariffs. They just “lobbied” republican politicians and got exemptions for their specific products. That’s exactly what the company I work for did-our china-made products continue to flow as normal.
"If Trump goes through with his tariff plans, I don't think bike manufacturers will have much choice but to return to the US." Really? Don't hold your breath!
@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 time will tell I guess...
Guru was SQW's Olympic 🥇 bike
Velocity Wheels - Michigan
Great interview with everyone. I'd love an Allied BC40 Frame set. But, those are way overpriced in my opinion. I feel they are missing a huge market as they are just priced out of the everyday purchaser like me. 😟
You can say that you can't afford the frame set but don't claim they are overpriced without knowing the profit margin and the overhead.
Frank
The
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Frank Wadelton has been building kick-ass bikes since the 80’s
No media or Journalistic coverage.
I respect the effort here to make bikes in USA. I'd like to help them, but the cost isnt just a little more, its like double for a mid level race bike. I just can't justify it. Im curious what the sales of these brands are. I wish them success, but i imagine its a tough business.
That is the pickle these brands find themselves in. Allied is the biggest carbon bike brand in the US - and they are tiny compared to a Cannondale or a Trek or a Specialized. There simply aren't any large-scale operations stateside. Cannondale and Trek used to be pretty sizable here, manufacturing wise. Specialized has never made its own bikes.
When you outsource the manufacturing, you company becomes more or less a marketing company. The knowledge and skill for manufacturing is diminished or out right lost for that company.
Great story
I don"t think envy makes much in the US anymore.
Enve
Hell yeah, you will love the DAMn!
I have had 3 custom bikes made here in America. I also use HED and Rolf wheels. Praxis cranksets. Paul Components brakes. Ritchey handlebars, Whskey forks. Just wish we had a derailleur company.
Thought I’d throw White Industries & Chris King into this list. Also, Rene Herse in Seattle makes a derailleur… though it’s a pretty unique specialty item.
@@daveanolik8837 When I read your post, I was super enthused. I use RH tires, but hadn't looked at their components. Unfortuneatley, besides the frame having to be designed specifically to attach the derailleur, it only has a 30T max cog size.
It occurred to me that LAL bikes make rear D’s… but they’re in B.C… Sram is a US company, but doesn’t manufacture here. Kinda crazy. Thanks for illuminating.
The Allied interview was quite stupid. The interviewer clearly asked the CEO: "Is it really more costly to build here?" the dummy replied: "there is a lot of benefits to building here..." and he went on to list a few things which nobody asked about. How about if you answer the freaking question Einstein? it happens to be the tile of this video. Good lord. To make it worse the interviewer is so clueless he allowed the derailment and never brought the dummy back to answer the real question that was asked. Wow..
Politics. If you dont want to answer a question, just give an answer to question you would rather have.
Tells me that the real answer is not what they want to give.
I struggle with the long talk format of north American explaining. A lot feels like marketing talk instead of straightforward talking.
sounds like an issYOU not an isshim
@@davidvonslingshothold on dawg I gotta talk to you about your use of puns
I agree. Seems like every conversation starts with a recounting of their life history. Even though it has nothing to do with the question.
Kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. You want the workers to male fair wages and have decent standard of living, but the US wastes TRILLIONS on mismanaged healthcare, and colonial militarism. Are we supposed to support those bad choices that artificially make their costs so much higher?
Welcome to the American Boomer’s Capitalist Utopia and shitshow.
Boomers who should have retired over twenty years ago and who refuse to pay legit American citizens a fair and liveable wage.
#MEGeneration
#spendingmykidsinheritance
#winning at all costs
😂 its not expensive to build here. Large companies just have set up factories there already.
I gotta call bull💩 on Ibis' claims they're nearly greenhouse gas neutral. Solar panels used to create energy are fine, except those panels all have a life span (about 20-25 years). They are made from toxic materials & heavy metals, making recycling difficult and expensive. Carbon bike frames are equally difficult if not impossible to recycle. So are they really doing anything better for the environment, or are they merely using short-term metrics to make it sound better than it really is? This is not a slam on Ibis or any other manufacturers that do the same because I have a carbon bike & like the technology, but can these 🤡 quit virtue signaling how earth friendly their products & manufacturing processes are? Steel & Aluminum are still the best, most environmentally friendly options out there.
The entire "neutrality" thing is BS, and the only solution to making genuine environmental improvements is to consume as little as possible - but even a slight reduction in consumption would break our growth economy. High-end bicycles would be near the top of the list of products we caould all do without. There is nothing remorely "green" about high-end sports products, irrespective of how or where they are produced.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that allied outsourced their frame manufacturing a few months ago
WHO'S THE BEST...MADE IN U.S OR MADE IN JAPAN?? FOR ME I THINK IT'S JAPAN 🤔
Taiwan?
I bought a 1985 Schwinn Tempo new..frame made by Panasonic..Japan..my century bike…rode it just the other day…🚲👍
Bikes are made in aisa because american corporations went there
Now do bike companies that don't offer bikes fro $15,000.
HED!! Never made a carbon clincher b/c they didn’t believe they were safe. Think about that.
specifically, rim brake clincher. Concerns with heat generated from braking. Obviously they make carbon clincher rims for disc brake.
When i sold Tr*ks 20yrs ago. Only the cheapest road bike (1000) was made off shore. Every other ally and oclv was made in waterloo. Now only the factory team is ‘sorta’ made here. So when Mary runs for Governor of WI on a jobs platform havin sent most of manuf to asia. Well…glad she lost.
What do you mean by sorta made here?
Boyd Cycling
Did Enve decline to be on the show today?
No, not at all! I had a long interview with Jake Pantone for PT 2, which I sent out in full in my newsletter a couple weeks ago. I'll do a factory tour out there at some point.
Sometimes it feels like the only bike parts really still made in the USA are hubs 😂
Not true at all. There are a dozen or so CNC-oriented Companies making drivetrain parts, bottom brackets, headsets, suspension, and so forth. I can think of four carbon/composite rim manufacturers and complete wheelset companies in the US.
@@petersouthernboy6327 Care to name those 16 or so companies?
Sure but I think it's fair to say that those companies are the exception and no the norm. Like even for the companies like Chris King or White Industries that make other components in addition to hubs, I wouldn't be surprised if hubs make up the majority of what they make and sell. Like how many Boone cranks and Ingrid derailleurs do you see out there compared to I9 and Chris King hubs?
I'd also like to know what company is doing MiUSA suspension, cause the only one I know of that's close is Cane Creek, and they aren't MiUSA, they just assemble the parts that are made in Asia
@@oatmonster: push industries would be the most minusa, but they’re pretty limited in scope. MRP also assembles in US similar to Cane Creek.
I made halfway 🥱
And everyone of these is an utter ripoff. 7K for a bike frame that is basically a brick with literally no innovation at all is criminal.
Please provide your facts and research to back this statement up.
Years back I ordered a Merlin Sandstone gravel bike - at the time, the frameset was around $2,380 for a custom Ti frameset.....a great deal at the time I thought. Then the d-bag from Knight Manufacturing bought out Merlin and doubled the prices overnight. Not a fan of Phil, who basically told me he was doing me a favor by selling me my bike at the price I originally bought it for instead of his newly inflated prices. There were some issues with the bike, but he's super passive aggressive and I gave up dealing with him. Everyone else at Merlin was great to deal with though. Would go with Moots if I had to do it all over again.
That's certainly an opinion, but not something factual or even objective. What is true is that pricing a product is a lot more complicated than a lot of people think. You're free to buy as you wish, but your choices aren't superior to anyone elses, nor are your preferences or reasons.
@ objectively it’s a ripoff to charge someone for a bike with limited performance capability and uncompetitive weights. It’s hilarious that someone would attempt to defend it. You can make whatever choice you’d like. I don’t think my choices are part of the discussion. I’d say this about any brand charging 7k for a frame that cost 500$ max to make.
@@werb24 Sort of like that new $18,000 steel Colnago. Utterly ridiculous. As raw materials, carbon fiber and steel is not expensive.....yet, prices have risen astronomically. I did a conversion a few years back of cost vs. inflation, and bikes that are cheaper to make overseas cost more now than back when they were made in the U.S. But, people keep buying them, so they'll keep raising the prices.
They could 3-d print bike parts from hemp resin. Strong, light, inexpensive. Pick all three.
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