Oh yea Peter feels sooooo good to be alive guy can’t wait to live another 50 fucking useless years lol
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10:30 "Socially isolated you're insane and then you're dead. No one can tolerate being alone for any lenght of time. We can't maintain our own sanity without continual feedback from other people" Listening to this now in 2020 amid this pandemic it certainly has a different flavor to when I first saw this video. These are hard times and Peterson is the right person to come back to.
wow I went through exactly that, slowly recovering. its nice that there are people with a clear understanding and a clear way to communicate it to others!
I’m a catholic so I believe in the afterlife. And fuck. I’m scared of living because of how pointless it is, I’m scared of Hell cuz who isn’t and I’m scared of Heaven because I just know that I’m going to be conscious for an eternity. For no end, what am I going to do?
UltimateNokia DMT really alleviated my anxiety of the afterlife. After we die we lose all of our human fears, jealousy, greed and other characteristics/desires associated with the ego/self. There is no you or me per say, just an eternal energy/light that has existed long before we decided to come to this physical plane as ‘people’. Once we die and go back there, the sheer feeling of relief, belonging, acceptance, realising/remembering that this is what you were all along (It’s hard to put into words but it’s definitely not somewhere/something that you would ever want to end!). Once you part from your physical body, time is no longer linear, you’re not a bored human being, sat around looking at your dead relatives for eternity. You are the universe and always have been.
I can personally attest to every one of the sentiments the Jordan expresses here. I've been reassessing my life for the last couple years, instead of getting trapped in the autopilot mode many other people seem to. Going to school, getting a degree, working and earning money, burying yourself in debt so you have to work more, never really looking for the true meaning of life or happiness or trying to self-actualize to bring out your full potential. It's a tricky course to steer, thank God Jordan is so emphatic about wanting to share his knowledge and teach. I have watched several hundred of his videos and the man is a boon of information. Some of my major choices in life have been steered on their current course simply due to the enlightening knowledge and guidance through Dr. Peterson's videos. Thanks so much for posting this excerpt! And for not making it a repeater like other people on RUclips!
Don't just thank peterson. Most of his psycholgy is based on carl jung. Jung is co connected to Freud.. who copied Nietzsche. Who was influenced by plato.. who basically came up with half the stuff peterson is talking about
@@iniohos2 Well, unless you accompanied him/her on every step he/she took, that is a rude thing to say. Maybe you could be right but that does not mean that the manner in which you formulated your comment is.
If you tend to overthink and it brings anxiety shut down your brain and just start doing things. If you feel Lost or don't know how to put your life around take a sheet of paper and a pen and ask yourself those questions but don't rush: -What are the values i want to stand for and represent in Life? -What are my priorities in Life, what or who is really important to me? -What are my points of reference that i think of or that i go to to "regenerate" ? -What do i consider to be a really serious situation? (THEREFORE everything else is NOT, and i don't have to fear it ...) Now you know who you are, what is driving you in Life, how to not get lost again and that what used to scare you isn't really that dire. Go Champ! ^^ If you feel Lost again read this sheet again :).
It’s almost impossible to just “turn it off” though. If you do set your mind to other things, then you’re constantly thinking “what if this goes to shit?” Or “is this really what I want to be doing?”
-What are the values i want to stand for and represent in Life? > If there is no purpose, there are no values... -What are my priorities in Life, what or who is really important to me? > If there is no purpose there are no priorities, it doesn't matter. -What are my points of reference that i think of or that i go to to "regenerate" ? > Regenerate? why would you want to FOOL yourself in lies? Fact stands: There is no purpose. -What do i consider to be a really serious situation? (THEREFORE everything else is NOT, and i don't have to fear it ...) > There is no serious situation if there is no purpose.
@@HermanWillems Choose your poison, death or purpose. You can complain all day about it but you'll get nowhere. Other than that, seek religion/spirituality for meaning.
@@HermanWillems Purpose? Try making, or at least pushing others to make a better world than the one you came into, so that the next generations can make something of themselves without as many difficulties as you had when you were thrown out into it. At least that's what I'll strive for.
This excerpt powerfully combines most everything that Jordan Peterson talks about in his Bible Series up to part 12, if you don't have the patience for 30 hours. Best advice to the meaning of and actually dealing with life that I've ever witnessed. I wish I heard something like this decades ago.
I had an existential crisis when I was about 12-14 years old. It was the most terrifying feeling I've ever had. Now I'm kinda having it again, these questions. Why does everything has to have an end? What happens after the last star of the universe dies? What does it mean to not exist? My mind often finds ways of defending itself with affirmations or ideas like what's important to me or maybe having an afterlife, but these thoughts come back and I did not manage to find peace with me one day not existing anymore.
Our crisis is very similar but I delved even deeper into the abyss. It's never ending knowledge or theorizing. Anyways, not to induce more panic and dread I'll give you this idea. What if you could switch out yourself for someone else? Let's say this consciousness that you are can be dissolved away peacefully without actually meeting a "horrifying" fate while you're still being. Then introduce a new person and have them take over and live like anybody else happy, like any of the other worker ants. You will still experience stimuli, however your state would be very altered. I don't know if it would work but imagine it like this too. You can't experience being in other people's bodies, so could you do the same for yourself and live happily?
The day after I turned 40 I had the worst existential crises that lasted for a week, I was a wreck, I think sometimes we need to go through that, it forms and shapes us
I've been going through this the last six weeks... It started with sleeping at most 5 hours a day, at worst three days in a row of 1 hour a day. I'm on benzo's now (lorazepam) 1mg every other day, though today I started with once every two days. I'm a total neurotic mess, but have also got closure on many weighty topics, since I have nothing to lose anymore. Strangely I know this is for the better, a new beginning perhaps, but it's tough. In a sense life is suffering.
You have to realize that you have a purpose. There’s no rule book for life. That child like wonder made us so happy while we were young. Once we get older we constrain ourselves into a box. Life doesn’t have to be that way. Go out and do what makes you happy.
What if you don't know where you're going? I am constantly having doubts about whether or not I'm persuing the RIGHT goal. I have wasted the last 2 decades trying to figure it out.
"Socially isolated you're insane and then you're dead." I was isolated away from home for 5 straight months during the pandemic, only face-to-face interaction was with grocery store clerks for the 30 seconds it took to check out. I remember meeting with a friend shortly afterward and realizing how robotic and cold I was, and it was like that for months after. T hankfully, I reunited with family and friends who helped thaw me out of my own head. I can't imagine the state of people who had to continue on like that without some support -- from Covid or any other illness or living situation. A while back I learned that when people go blind, the neurons dedicated to sight slowly phase out (or are maybe repurposed, can't recall specifics). But so much of our brain is dedicated to helping us survive through community, changing others and changing ourselves to stay together. Although taken for granted, socialization is a massive computational task demanding repeated holistic analysis of our environment and ourselves. Its execution isn't a singular process but an orchestra of every sensation and emotion and belief available to us. To leave so much of our mind unemployed in its natural purpose is death by atrophy.
I envy lions and turtles and squirrels and the like, for I know damn well they don't have to bother with an existential crisis, fight for survival notwithstanding...
I was Christian.... i now envy those stupid people that believe in some magical God that doesn't exist. But now i know the truth i can't go back and live a life of lies. Because i now know the truth.
it's still not late tho. I was an atheist before but i became a catholic again. just like what Peterson said, the world is very complex and you can't really tell if your interpretation or mine is the ''truth" because we're all just human and there's just things that we can never comprehend ourselves.
I’m only 15 years old and have been learning about the “Big Bang Theory” in science class. I have never really been a firm believer in god to fill the gaps of the unknown and have since been going through the question of existence, and my purpose. Sure, I used to think that it was crazy that I was able to talk to other people and they’d be able to understand what I am saying and feeling, but these past few weeks have really been tough because now it’s a much deeper thought process when it comes to understanding existence. It’s becoming a daily thing for me to “go into manual mode” and not value life as usual, it’s almost like it means nothing. I can’t even wrap my head around what I am feeling and let alone express it to other people without feeling insane. I’m glad Jordan gave this presentation, it made me feel more “grounded”. I just wish I was sick during that fucking week of science class where I had the task of questioning existence and learned about the Big Bang!
you are not the only one, im going through the exact same thing here, im trying to look on the good side of it but fuck its so hard to ignore it once u realize it
“Something happening now doesn’t affect something that happened ten years ago- even though it can, but whatever.” *me, in the middle of nauseating existential dread* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
As Mr. Peterson says in this video lecture, "If you don't have a noble aim, then all you have is shallow, trivial pleasures, and they don't sustain you. And, that's not good."
Existential dread is what arises when we cannot die nobly. It all stems from a lack of purpose. There is no set in stone purpose for your life. You have to take the time and find whats important to you. What makes you scared? What makes you angry? Who do you see suffering? Go try to fix that. When we don't know what we're doing internally, we won't understand what we're doing externally either. You don't need to have an "ego death" on drugs, you just need to become selfless through putting others before yourself in this short time on Earth. Love is truly the most important thing in this gamut of suffering.
It is very important to distinguish when you have to focus between the lines, days; and when to look from the specific paradigm or process or value that is the matter in order for a coherent and successful understanding of it. It's not always enough to focus on the end lesson and nuances in between but also why you are operating there and what you are leading into. You get deeper understanding of the cause and you get the gist of ideas, new perspectives and effective solutions which is even beyond that paradigm where you originally started. Things can be abstract at some point or for someone and the same things can be living manifestation in its whole. Everything fundamentally depends upon how healthy you are and your fundamental health depends upon how is everything on you, with you, for you. This is a piece of lecture that helped me save from collapsing from suffering back when pain self-caused for nothing but definately by some things which I did or didn't supposed to do.
I think I am experiencing this. The past few months I've been struggling with my grip on reality, life(which is seeming to loose meaning of late) has been seeming like a huge monster and the uncertainty of the future an ever looming danger. I am experiencing waves of sadness and no matter what I do I can't get out of this funk. lately Ive started applying a little bit more structure to my life for example changing my diet excersicisng waking up at the same time and meditating. but I still have this uncertainty looming over me. I think I need a goal to work towards but I'm not sure how exactly I can find one or figure it out. Any ideas?
Just don’t become isolated. Other than that, yer on yer own. Try not to get too fat getting into life’s little meaningless pleasures. Find some way to scrape your exploded self off the concrete, putting one smashed to pieces foot in front of the other smashed to pieces foot, and maybe, just maybe the ol’ blob of flesh will stand strong once more.
Friends will not stop an existential crisis .. Existential thoughts are contemplating the "big issues" Death, freedom, meaning in life etc.. Friends may distract you.. great.. that's not the point. Movies will do the same... One cuts through it, , by understanding.. Peterson says it frequently. Not in just this video Life can be absolute misery, best to not make it hell. Do what you can, so life is less hell-like It is shit... Do you best to make it less shit. He uses fancier words. The point is we all suffer, we can absolutely make it worse, or we can buckle down and bare it. After all, it's not forever.... Let's fucking hope not anyway....
i grew up in a religious family but recently i started to question what i’d been taught all my life. i went through an existential crisis at the age of fucking 14, i became nihilistic at 14 years old. i’m 15 now. i didn’t understand what i was experiencing, and it just made it all worse. it sucks. these thoughts are obstructions in my daily life. i’m doing bad in school because i can’t see the purpose in trying. my relationship with my friends and family is deteriorating. none of my friends understand what i’m going through, they can’t empathize with me and i can’t seek comfort in them. i can’t tell my family because they’d disown me for losing my faith. i want to believe in god so bad, but i just... can’t bring myself to. i don’t want to be feeling this way at this age, i can’t cherish anything in life anymore, i want to be happy and have fun but i can’t. i don’t have anyone to help me and i don’t know how to help myself. it’s sad that i have to resort to the internet for answers...
The rationalism of the Greeks was rediscovered in the 18th Century. And this as a movement had its consequences need to be mapped out. Dr. Peterson has got the ball rolling on this discussion very well. And so this conversation is most welcome. The rise of rationalism, the steam engine, and the machine age tied in with the rise of scientific knowledge was lauded as “The Enlightenment”. But was it really such an enlightening thing to forget our God? In the modern era faith in God was pushed aside. Now scientists became our new high priests, redirecting our world view and their spokesmen, men like Karl Sagan were giving us their take on the cosmos and the meaning of life. The world became a clockwork universe. It was just waiting for man to master it. And to kick God out in the cosmos was the real plum for the profane masses of humanity. This was crystallized in the higher criticism that became so powerful in Germany in the 19th Century. The seminaries were parked right next to the schools of engineering. Then came Darwin with his great leap of faith. He said that the created order we see before us just created itself by random acts of mutational accidental kindness and order, a serendipity that goes beyond reason. Many were chomping at the bit and keen to follow his lead. His book, “The Origin of the Species” flew off the shelves in the bookstores of London. Can a Boeing 787 emerge out of an explosion in a machine shop? We were told that lighting strikes on rocks over water, uniting with atoms of carbon and nitrogen took us from inorganic to the organic chemistry of life. We were told we must believe this. And so this belief, this doctrine, became the group-think, the collective mindset of what was once Western Christendom. But where did all this rationalism and secular humanism lead us? Did we arrive at Utopia? Far from it. The French existentialists like Jean Paul Sartre were seeking a way out of what was fast becoming a cold steel hearted rationalism. But they reported that their excursion, their unreasoned “leap of faith” into existentialism led to another cold dead empty place of “No Exit”. Soon we saw the emergence of the theater of the absurd. In their inner emptiness and the encroaching death of the West the French thinkers and anti-thinkers reverted back to their primordial selves. They acted out their psycho-sexual fantasies. Then they acted them out for the other empty souls attending the theater and the cinema. The English speaking people faired better. They had their awakenings. Then in 1897 the poet Rudyard Kipling lit a lamp to shine some light to dispel some of the gathering darkness. The occasion was Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee. The day after this he gave his prophetic warning to the English speaking people now at the peak of their power. In his poem, “Recessional” he said that we in the Great British Empire have been a nation greatly blessed. But in the midst of our success we must not forget our God. But they did forget Him. And what followed was a showcasing of that great collective amnesia. In 1912 in the midst of all the hoopla and jingoism of the British Empire the S.S. Titanic sailed out of Southampton. And the words that marked the voyage were, “Not even God Himself could sink her!” What followed was an epic tragedy of the sea with terrible loss of life. Then two years later in 1914, straight out of this “age of reason” and out of this much worshiped machine age, came two terrible world wars. They were dehumanizing, soul destroying, and terrible beyond all comprehension. The very machines that had become our gods, even the factories that made the stream engines and internal combustion engines and other wonders of the age were now making the bombs and artillery shells to kill and maim in ways never seen before. The thousands of guns, the tanks, the machine guns, and flying machines strafing the men in the trenches were tearing and rending the flesh and souls of men in hideous ways, and on a scale never seen before. We came out of the Great War shell-shocked. So much for rationalism. Now in the 21st Century we see that mystique of the machine has gone on to become the mystique of the computer and information technology. Now we have the possibility of surveillance of all citizens. This is being done by GPS, by webcams, by tracking credit card spending, and by biometrics. So much for the age of reason, the machine age, and the brave new world of secular humanism and the godless religious humanism that became attached to it. And so what became of the poem Rudyard Kipling had penned? It was hijacked. The poet was revamped in our perceptions and repurposed for the groupthink of nations. No longer was the message “Lest we forget our God”. Now it became, “Lest we forget our dead soldiers, our glorious war dead”. Here is the poem, and the prophetic warning given by Rudyard Kipling. His message still speaks to us today, if we care to pause for a moment and listen. ruclips.net/video/PbTV-tKVCpM/видео.html
Well, the postmodern critique is another creative technique to dissect a problem or issue at hand. Unlike with classical critique, which only gives a linear way of looking at things.
I just went through EC, and JP makes perfect sense. It's amazing how something so complicated can be explained. I wonder if someone who has never been to EC can grasp it or not
10:31 How do you explain the hikikomori (people who lock themselves in their room and only come out if necessary for basic needs like food) in Japan? There have been people 30 t 40 years old who have isolated themselves like this for over 10 years or possibly more. Of course, I guess you can always go online and achieve social interaction that way so you won't go quite as crazy.
Yep, I was wondering about that too, being something akin to hikikomori. And I am not from Japan either. I just don't like being around people, so I don't do that unless I really have to. When I hear people telling me how they would become crazy if they were like me, I feel like I have a special power of not needing people. I can understand my own flaws and how I am very antisocial, I don't fit in well with people, I don't like to "have fun" with people. People can hurt you more than things, and even Jordan Peterson talks often about malevolence and how we can understand evil much better than good. Maybe I am misinterpreting his words?
It’s not isolation. They have internet, television, even old fashioned radio. With these things outside ideas can still be bounced around within the isolated’s mind. There’s still a form of isolation, but not total, long long term.
I started reading the 12 steps by aa and its not just a book for addicts. I saw Gabor MAte and Russel Brand talk about it and got curious. I think it would help so many people that are stuck in negative thinking and anxiety and depression. Give it a try guys, I am reading this version: A Trip Through the 12 Steps: With a Doctor and Therapist
Ok so, I've been listening to him a lot and I'm growing much respect for him but I'm still at odds with some things he says. So, it seems like his objection to post modernism is that if you consider everything to be subjective and lacking of an intrinsic meaning or value, everything becomes chaotic and unmanageable and you end up in a lot of suffering because things don't attribute meaning and value to your life, they don't guide you in a certain direction or towards a certain purpose. First of all I find this a characteristic trait of conservatives: the absolute need for control and for the institution of traditional structures because they fear otherwise everything may just fall apart and we'll descend into chaos because we'll be unable to handle ourselves. I share some of this fear which is in part a fear of the unknown - we don't know what things may become if they're not the way they used to be or if they don't mean or are worth what they used to, for that matter. At least we know the outcome of things that were before and even if they're flawed, we still know how bad it can be whereas we do not know how bad things could be if they were something they never were before. I can kind of relate to that but I still think it's very flawed and that there must be a place for chaos. I'm very artistically inclined and chaos, subjectiveness, deconstruction of present ideas, etc. are very good catalysers to creativity and evolution. On the second hand, I also find his position very similar to the sometimes unconscious mindset of religious people (which is no surprise, I know). Some people feel very anxious about the idea that their lives and existence may be absolutely devoid of any meaning in the long run other than what we atribute to it on a personal level. People need that their victories and their sufferings are worth something and mean something in the big scheme. It seems to them unbearable that they're really not going anywhere and nothings' gonna really make a difference and that morality is more of a set of rules to the optimal way of socialising but may be lacking of any true goodness or badness. I'm not saying it's one way or the other. I'm saying that if we come to the rational conclusion that everything is pretty much subjective, why not coming to terms with it and get on with life? It is what it is and I find it blinding that we would prefer to say "No, there must be a meaning because if there isn't I'll be miserable and everything will be chaotic!". Who're you trying to fool? Yourself? Into out-ruling interpretations of art and life that would be at conflict with your comfort zone? What if you can really interpret Hamlet in infinite ways and every one of them is equality valid and not intrinsically true or important? Will you just close your eyes to that and stick with the interpretation that supports your view on life and your structures, in a political, moral, social, and personal level? How coward is that? We should take the world and life for what they are even if it feels bitter that they're not as we wished: with a greater meaning and purpose, with a solid structure and direction and objective. And on a side note I find it very ironic that religious people also tend at the same time to rely on the very same subjectivity and the endless multiplicity of interpretations to justify their belief in things they we know aren't true. We got to a point where every time history or science proves religion wrong, religious people seek refuge in the metaphorical sense of everything in the Bible, for example. Even Peterson does this. Adam and Eve is still true in a metaphorical sense, ok. Moises and God in the mountain and the ten commandments is still true in a metaphorical sense, ok... The idea of Christ and his teachings is so critical in society that the resurrection and eternal life of Christ is still true in a metaphorical sense.... Oh, come on! Then what isn't true?! Talk about post modernist subjectivity and deconstructionism... You make what you want out of everything so that it doesn't take away your comfort too much. And he's advocating for that.
If you've ever been visited by the spirit of existential dread, congratulations-you’re in a pretty blessed position. It means your basic needs are met to the point where you get to sit around wondering about your place in the universe. Think about it, when you’re fighting for survival, the last thing on your mind is the meaning of it all.
The postmodernist idea that everything and every idea is open to one individual's own personal interpretation is dangerous because going down that path can lead to the extremist idea that "the self", in terms of identity, is all that can be known to exist in the universe. This ideology is also known as "Solipsism." Solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind. As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist. Although this cannot be disproven, it also cannot be proven, and I believe that whichever point of view you choose will ultimately decide how you behave and go about living life. I truly believe that the Solipsist has no reason to live life in a peaceful and benevolent manner because, if nothing exists outside of oneself, there's no reason to believe that one's own actions have consequences.
This right here, is exactly what I went through. It caused me a lot of anguish and insanity, it traumatized me and I could not live life normally anymore. I battled so many horrible, mind boggling existential thoughts including this, and when it comes to the idea of Solipsim, I have made the conclusion that in reality, it does not make any sense. If everything was truly in your head or in your mind, then why can't you control all of it? Why are you not like God? Why is it that everything acts as its own? How is it that we go through life and have to learn to eat, walk, speak, and work hard and do anything else that we need or want, and have it be entirely and completely pointless and in our imagination? It doesn't even make more sense to say that "oh it's not in our control but it's still in our imagination." But how??? This is how insanity can unfold, you are trying to make sense of things that do not make sense, repeating the same things over and over again. This is how fear and paranoia sets in, because as individuals we already fear the unknown and what we don't control. Our minds are big and vast, but sometimes we tend to think like we're God, thinking and ruminating things about the world and the universe and coming to these so called conclusions that have us thinking we know everything and can trust ourselves to be so bold about it. The best things we can do in life is to look around at what we have, we may not know the reason to everything, but we are here, we are real, we are alive and none of us are alone. We cannot waste our lives away in this loop of dread and depression and stress. We must live and make-do with what we've got.
He talks about noble aim. My experience is that people who keep noble aim are taken advantage of by people having less than noble aim. IMO, to navigate existential crisis really boils down to how long you can keep going and put with all nonsense without. quitting or without hurting yourself.
really? That's interesting. I sometimes think that too. But I am not sure what do you mean by "free"? You would be free from relationships, but you would be trapped by nature, somewhat.
But you would be ironically privated of everything that involves someone other than you and or requires someone else aside from you to function and or provide. You would be free of their restrains. But the Human world itself is made to function with both you and others. Peterson has talked about this in other vídeos on how to view yourself in the world. If you want, place yourself in a "last person in the world" type of situation. You would only be prisioner to Your Human self. You would be free up to where your Human body in this now empty world can extend you to, yes. But surviving would be Your last always meaningful task. You can try to give yourself purpose after meeting boredom as an counter action in response to it. But then you are seeking to stop been free. So you enter this loop. So in the end. Only way to be free from the Human nature and therefore total release of any strings this physical world has, would be death or sumision to that which you are going against. Ties
I’ve seen a few comments on here about fear of the after life and eternity. The Bible says that in God’s presence their is fullness of joy, and at his right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Psalm 16:11) What I think is terrifying to people is the thought of endless consciousness, that we would despair of life itself in a way that we couldn’t possibly grasp in our current state. But the teaching of the psalmist is that the joy of knowing God is utterly inexhaustible. Think of a really great time you’ve had with your best friend. Think about the pleasure it brought you to be together, doing whatever it was you did and how it made you feel alive- how it still makes you feel alive when you think of it now in your mind. It’s those experiences that make life enjoyable and meaningful - and it’s the fear of losing those types of joys/experiences to the erosion of time that scares us. We are easily bored, and we can’t have an infinite amount of pleasures from any friend or lover on this earth because we are all finite beings. But God is not finite. We can never tire of him because his excellence can never be totally searched out. It’s like experiencing a day that just keeps getting better and better the longer it goes on - and it goes on forever. The Biblical answer is that we would approach God in humility, asking him to cleanse us from our sinfulness, so that we can be reconciled to him. Jesus said that when we do this, it’s like we finding a treasure in a field, and in our sheer joy, we sell everything else we own in order to purchase that field. (Matthew 13:44)
Peterson is a genius of our time. Having no restraints was why the Mars Rover stopped working. It has too many choices and it fired the processor going in loops.
Tristan Persad by the way in Arabic, we call the one who created everything, ‘Allah.’... As in we say ‘Allah’ to refer to the one who created everything...
Bit wrong, it's okay to have the nihilistic moment, the carthesis of creating your own authentic meaning, heals your soul. You go into it, to never doubt again. Nothing to do with right or wrong, just meaning, mortality, responsibility, and freedom.
This video shows us the credibility of the Bible. A book written over the span of thousands of years with authors referencing each other without any idea of who they are, just casually cross referencing each other. God is truly glorious
I wonder what advice this guy would have given to Tolstoy when he went through his existential crisis. The confession by Tolstoy is such a good book to read. For a perceptive mind, sustaining itself through self created meaning is not satisfying enough. It is like a diabetes patient surviving on insulin shots. When a keen mind has seen through the absurd nature of life, it won't be satisfied with any of this popcorn philosophy. One has to go through nihility and meaninglessness and come out on the other side. Dabrowski's positive disintegration is better content to read on understanding existential crisis.
Existential crisis: Screwing things up and having to live with the consequences, turning your life and yourself into something else other than what it should've been.
It seems to me that there doesn't need to be an infinite number of interpretations for nihilism to creep in. Just a sufficient number of them to make choosing the right one so difficult as to be unattainable. Even Peterson states that we wouldn't have any way of confirming if we were on the one which is true. So i don't see any cure for nihilism here.
It is still seems to me that nihilism creeps in when person is unhappy/unsatisfied with their life. I am not religious and I am alot into philosophy so having sometimes existential crisis is noting new to me but it always follows after me failing or some tragedy happening or being ill whatever. Humans function in the way that there is emotional response first then there is (usually) rational to justify your current emotional state. If you are healthy, feel overall good and have some goal to achieve (having good emotional state) your probability to get nihilistic thoughts (rationals) decrease significantly. It is not ultimate cure but it helps. So JP is to some degree right.
mebe84 The cure to nihilism is not simply "faith." It is progress in a direction that you have chosen with intellectual skepticism, then applying faith to that. If you lazily use faith, you will find yourself with an extremely low level of understanding the world (cough*** most christians).
M Tichý agreed. The first time I felt the visceral effect of nihilism I also had clinical depression. The cure in my opinion is good health, good life and most importantly plenty of love and connectedness to the world. Existentialism helps as well, nihilism is the idea that life lacks inherit value and meaning, as we are the creators of these concepts in the first place then through us we can create this meaning (aka connectedness which leads to purpose) and value (which has always been a subjective measuring tool anyway). Nihilism is false because the very term 'meaning' loses meaning outside the realm of the 'humansphere', to paraphrase Einstein.
+Alex B I disagree. Nihilism is not necesarily false (but not saying is true either). A) "Meaning" doesn't have a single meaning (irony included). B) There are multiple forms and possible aspects of nihilism. If we can rephrase meaning as the "core purpose", then it is possible to reach nihillism regardless of linguistics and semantics.
Martín Varela I agree. Our only core purpose seems to be to survive. Any other purpose ensues after. My only belief is our purpose that we uncover through living (i.e to become the worlds best soccer player or to raise a child) is equally as existentially valid as any predefined purpose. I think we all know instinctively nihilism isn't a good thing. It can corrode the human spirit and stop us from enjoying life fully and reaching our potential. However regardless of anything I feel it silly to attach to a philosophy that is based on nothingness, when we only have an infinity to experience it once we inevitably perish :p
The game of life Mission objectives: - Start something. Conditions: - At 99,9% stop, so you can't finish it and feel the emptiness of knowing that everything ended. ... wait, that's like a neverending sentence, that's a prison! it's like drink something and still remain thirsty forever!!!! ... Updated objectives - Start something. - Finish it! - Move on to another objective. Optional objectives: - Look behind to enjoy the past objectives already completed. Don't be afraid, you don't have to get nostalgic while doing it. Why? You always can enjoy the present because you always have something to do that makes you go forward and, at the same time, you can just look behind to enjoy the growing snowball of gratifying achivements made earlier. Isn't that great? 😄 By the way, every time you achieve something you desired, you are getting what your past self only could dream about! 😊
So I shouldn't enjoy art and literature as an aim? It's not noble to read science fiction for pleasure? I'm confused. I definitely aim to tell the truth and to help others in everyday life, is that enough? Do I have to make my career one of ultimate sacrifice? I also suffer with pain, daily and arthritic in nature. A lot of people don't understand that and it troubles me to depression which only makes it worse.
Find a life long goal like giving service to the world or your society or create sth of your interest that can help others too and similar things. Then stick to it Make sure to have friends And exercise
This is a naive interpretation of post modernists like Derrida, Foucault... I get where he's coming from, the thing he's critiquing is called "Moral relativism" , not post modernism, post modernism is a large and vague umbrella term. (Rick Rodrick liked to interpret post modernism as 'the simulation becoming more real than the real') Of course I can understand the objection to post modern philosophy as it applies to narcissistic teenagers and their ever more meta avant-garde identities, but what an easy target, get real. Let's talk about Derida's Deconstructionism, the idea was never to eliminate interpretations, it was to challenge your interpretations by taking them apart with the idea in mind that you're going to put them back together later. (That you can't help putting them back together later, actually) So here's why that matters, there are an infinite number of ways to interpret The Dialogues (Plato), great. Jordan Peterson has the canonical interpretation of the dialogues, so hand out the spark notes and we're done, right? Totally pointless. No, read the dialogues, interpret the dialogues, then you're ready to be challenged by the sage wisdom of the canonical interpretations of the dialogues - and guess what, you're not going to like them. You're going to like your interpretation, so now pick them both apart, chew on that for a while. Now you're engaging with the text. That's the point. Of course, it's true that feeble minded leftists saw this as a convenient excuse to not read the text in the first place, but why pick on those guys, that's a straw man. There's a good case to be made that Derrida was a motivated malevolent troll, especially when it comes to written laws, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a good point.
You could ultimately say the same for Karl Marx though mate, he had good points, but they were just rational articulation of many complex subjective narratives, that rationality doesn’t do any justice for. So when you try and create a ideology based on ideas, not archetypes of observed behaviour and mythology. There’s going to be details that will catch you out. For example Marx not taking human nature not account. Rational ideologies are too rigid, as they are based on rigid axioms. That’s the problem with modern religion, it’s become too dogmatic and prevents people from thinking for themselves as human beings and being an individual. Rational ideologies have a tendency to force people into rigid mind frames that prevent them from functioning properly. Regardless if Derrida has good points, it’s irrelevant because ideology will also become too authoritarian.
Alexander Brandt I had criticized JP for that for two years, and now just listen for the aspects of JP that are useful for me. I researched a little of writing but never read his books. But in an essay he writes about Heraclitus, which was very influential on both Derrida and Jung. I am actually more bewildered by his critique of Foucault. Because some of Foucault‘s work would be a defense for „less government libertarianism“. And that Foucault uses Nietzsche‘s ideas. But likely rejects Foucault because he is associated with the left. But as Foucault actually said he wanted to create a set of tools anyone can use. In my experience, JPs rejection of postmodernism is off the mark. The real issues he has come from some types of feminism and post colonialism which sometimes uses post-modern lingo without knowing what it means. I have seen this for example from some gay academics who will reference Foucault and then repeat a political meme like „born this way“ and then you realize they don‘t understand Foucault at all, but like referring to him because it is fashionable and because Foucault was homosexual. No mention to how Foucault critiqued the gay movement, criticized identity politics, and refuted most of the claims of the gay movement. This sadly happens all the time in academia. I tried to „politely“ call it out then. Then I realized that many academics want to play a game of authority persona, moral dogmatic posturing, and utter disregard for the truth. So in the very least I get some vicarious satisfaction when JP points out that non-sense. And to be fair JP did say in another interview „that I am not specifically against certain postmodern ideas but how they have been used.“ Which I would wholeheartedly agree with.
The Bible was created in part by the process of hermeneutics which involved multiple interpretations. For example there are 4 canonical gospels but there are also at least 40 other non-canonical gospels. Some of which have radically different perspectives and imply certain marginalized ideas. The thomas gospel is a widely cited example because it alludes to a immanent revelation of the Kingdom of Heaven. Which is an idea that is similar to Spinoza or Buddhism. There are gospels about the wife of Jesus, which many find blasphemous. Then there are Gnostic texts which call the creator God an imposter which has a similarity to William Blake's Urizan. Yes things can be widely and wildly interpreted. But we can also see certain clear ideas and intentions of meaning. Postmodernism is right, there are a huge possibility of interpretation. They are right that certain narratives create dominant ideas that marginalize and oppress other ideas. Where they are wrong is how ideas function. Saint Peter was called Satan by Jesus and also became the founder of the Christian Church. Ananda was called the one who remembers much but knows little and became the founder of Buddhism. The institutions of Christianity can never emulate the living word of Christ. Nor can the Buddhist traditions be the true path to Buddha-hood. Most of it is corrupted by their representation or politics or popularism. But they remain institutions that carry remnants of the message in their forms and rituals. The esoteric ideas will always be hard to find because the come spontaneously out of your depth. The exoteric ideas create a functional society of one kind or another. The esoteric ideas create a functional individual.
I managed to kick the EC in the balls, then I realized I got way more done when I was having the crisis... I want it back, feels like shit but I'll take it.
What if a better world involves a world which is not heavily overpopulated so that nature and all its species can flourish, instead of the current man-made extinction event we are living in, with its pollution and climate change? Then you can either become a mad scientist or be in existential crisis. Or stop taking life seriously, which might make you a mad scientist ;)
I dont believe in the simulation theory because, think about it, we invented zombies, they are a fantasy idea WE created. Simulations, similarly, are also created by us, so believing we are in a simulation is like thinking zombies are real :v
So, in short, Peterson thinks truth is whatever ensures survival (and maybe "happiness" or something like that). That's not a refutation of the "post-modernist" argument at all. I've watched dozens of his videos and agree with a lot of what he says, but he repeatedly defends this view without actually addressing the problem.
Ed Jrage He says that it’s a type of truth, known as pragmatic truths, which he argues are debatably more important than scientific truths. Because with scientific truths, they describe what is. But you can’t produce an ought, from an is. So you can’t simply have a society purely based on scientific truths, it needs to be both scientific truths, and pragmatic truths. Because morality is just far too complex to decipher rationally. Post modernism, essentially asserts everybody has they’re own subjective lens of observation, hence everybody’s opinion holds equal value and is all right in some way. And the only real factor is power. So the only way to prove someone wrong, is not through truth, but through power. It essentially is an evil ideology/way of thinking, because it puts your soul in eternal chaos, because if prevents you from ever being grounded in any form of truth.
Alius Cogitabam Not all constraints are devised to steer you the right way. Many of them are meant to prevent you from having a mind of your own. They are regulations set to control and label you, thus killing all individual expression. The ones who create these constraints want to use you for their own purposes and prevent you from outshining them.
Tai Lung It all depends on what you think you are, we do have a spiritual side, the question that gets me is which one is fundamental and which one is derivative. With all due respect I think your looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Peterson can be quite the pessimist due largely to his infatuation with understanding what causes states to become totalitarian, and what modes of thinking can produce normal people to commit the horrors of the twentieth century. I would recommend some G.K Chesterton or C.S Lewis, even just googling some quotes can get you thinking in different perspectives. You can also find some audio books here on RUclips.
@Tai Lung nah bro you got it all wrong, JP is against nihilism, hes all about finding meaning in life. The best piece of advice I've ever heard from him was to create a life so meaningful that the suffering is worth it. Our existence is full of suffering but life is also full of beauty and love so you should stick around to experience it, If for no other reason than u got nothing better to do
But you were born, you are alive. Happiness is a choice. Spend some time in nature, it helps. People who define themselves by their jobs or so called success are usually miserable people. It's YOUR perspective. So figure out who you really are, your flaws and everything. Be a better person and maybe you will help other people be better people too. It's the little things in life that count :) And by little things, I mean the things we take for granted. Hope you are well
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How amazing to be a human being and at this time in history where we can even fathom these ideas
Yeah wow
The ancient Greeks weren’t stupid, you know?
Christoph Hanke He doesn’t say that, but today we can acess these kind of ideas and knowledge in a few seconds
Oh yea Peter feels sooooo good to be alive guy can’t wait to live another 50 fucking useless years lol
Oh yea Peter feels sooooo good to be alive guy can’t wait to live another 50 fucking useless years lol
10:30 "Socially isolated you're insane and then you're dead. No one can tolerate being alone for any lenght of time. We can't maintain our own sanity without continual feedback from other people"
Listening to this now in 2020 amid this pandemic it certainly has a different flavor to when I first saw this video. These are hard times and Peterson is the right person to come back to.
wow I went through exactly that, slowly recovering. its nice that there are people with a clear understanding and a clear way to communicate it to others!
This is from Jordan Peterson's biblical series. ruclips.net/video/f-wWBGo6a2w/видео.html Here you go.
Hey man I’m going through this Rn I’m glad there’s hope because it’s awful
Jordan Peterson is brilliant. The first person I've come across who's help me see my own issues and how to overcome them. Whatta guy.
Its getting to the point that im scared of being alive
Try doing different things, you really should be living NOW because this is the only life you get.
I’m a catholic so I believe in the afterlife. And fuck. I’m scared of living because of how pointless it is, I’m scared of Hell cuz who isn’t and I’m scared of Heaven because I just know that I’m going to be conscious for an eternity. For no end, what am I going to do?
UltimateNokia DMT really alleviated my anxiety of the afterlife. After we die we lose all of our human fears, jealousy, greed and other characteristics/desires associated with the ego/self. There is no you or me per say, just an eternal energy/light that has existed long before we decided to come to this physical plane as ‘people’. Once we die and go back there, the sheer feeling of relief, belonging, acceptance, realising/remembering that this is what you were all along (It’s hard to put into words but it’s definitely not somewhere/something that you would ever want to end!). Once you part from your physical body, time is no longer linear, you’re not a bored human being, sat around looking at your dead relatives for eternity. You are the universe and always have been.
Ben Smith thanks for that man
@@UKG_BPM_138 this is beautiful
I can personally attest to every one of the sentiments the Jordan expresses here. I've been reassessing my life for the last couple years, instead of getting trapped in the autopilot mode many other people seem to. Going to school, getting a degree, working and earning money, burying yourself in debt so you have to work more, never really looking for the true meaning of life or happiness or trying to self-actualize to bring out your full potential.
It's a tricky course to steer, thank God Jordan is so emphatic about wanting to share his knowledge and teach. I have watched several hundred of his videos and the man is a boon of information. Some of my major choices in life have been steered on their current course simply due to the enlightening knowledge and guidance through Dr. Peterson's videos.
Thanks so much for posting this excerpt! And for not making it a repeater like other people on RUclips!
Thank you for watching. Glad you found this as illuminating as I did.
Don't just thank peterson. Most of his psycholgy is based on carl jung. Jung is co connected to Freud.. who copied Nietzsche. Who was influenced by plato.. who basically came up with half the stuff peterson is talking about
in other words u didnt do anything productive in ur life
@@aln8050 plato stole it from socrates
@@iniohos2 Well, unless you accompanied him/her on every step he/she took, that is a rude thing to say. Maybe you could be right but that does not mean that the manner in which you formulated your comment is.
If you tend to overthink and it brings anxiety shut down your brain and just start doing things.
If you feel Lost or don't know how to put your life around take a sheet of paper and a pen and ask yourself those questions but don't rush:
-What are the values i want to stand for and represent in Life?
-What are my priorities in Life, what or who is really important to me?
-What are my points of reference that i think of or that i go to to "regenerate" ?
-What do i consider to be a really serious situation? (THEREFORE everything else is NOT, and i don't have to fear it ...)
Now you know who you are, what is driving you in Life, how to not get lost again and that what used to scare you isn't really that dire. Go Champ! ^^
If you feel Lost again read this sheet again :).
It’s almost impossible to just “turn it off” though. If you do set your mind to other things, then you’re constantly thinking “what if this goes to shit?” Or “is this really what I want to be doing?”
-What are the values i want to stand for and represent in Life?
> If there is no purpose, there are no values...
-What are my priorities in Life, what or who is really important to me?
> If there is no purpose there are no priorities, it doesn't matter.
-What are my points of reference that i think of or that i go to to "regenerate" ?
> Regenerate? why would you want to FOOL yourself in lies? Fact stands: There is no purpose.
-What do i consider to be a really serious situation? (THEREFORE everything else is NOT, and i don't have to fear it ...)
> There is no serious situation if there is no purpose.
@@HermanWillems You should be my long lost brother :)
@@HermanWillems Choose your poison, death or purpose. You can complain all day about it but you'll get nowhere. Other than that, seek religion/spirituality for meaning.
@@HermanWillems Purpose? Try making, or at least pushing others to make a better world than the one you came into, so that the next generations can make something of themselves without as many difficulties as you had when you were thrown out into it. At least that's what I'll strive for.
This excerpt powerfully combines most everything that Jordan Peterson talks about in his Bible Series up to part 12, if you don't have the patience for 30 hours. Best advice to the meaning of and actually dealing with life that I've ever witnessed. I wish I heard something like this decades ago.
Glad you enjoyed Fred. That segment was powerfully revelatory for me as well.
Fred Carrillo the bible had no results to defend. Only argument to defend.
I had an existential crisis when I was about 12-14 years old. It was the most terrifying feeling I've ever had. Now I'm kinda having it again, these questions. Why does everything has to have an end? What happens after the last star of the universe dies? What does it mean to not exist? My mind often finds ways of defending itself with affirmations or ideas like what's important to me or maybe having an afterlife, but these thoughts come back and I did not manage to find peace with me one day not existing anymore.
One tip: just say "fuck it lol" helps a lot
@@senior7407 This
@@senior7407 doesn’t work for everyone
Our crisis is very similar but I delved even deeper into the abyss. It's never ending knowledge or theorizing.
Anyways, not to induce more panic and dread I'll give you this idea. What if you could switch out yourself for someone else? Let's say this consciousness that you are can be dissolved away peacefully without actually meeting a "horrifying" fate while you're still being. Then introduce a new person and have them take over and live like anybody else happy, like any of the other worker ants. You will still experience stimuli, however your state would be very altered. I don't know if it would work but imagine it like this too. You can't experience being in other people's bodies, so could you do the same for yourself and live happily?
The day after I turned 40 I had the worst existential crises that lasted for a week, I was a wreck, I think sometimes we need to go through that, it forms and shapes us
I am definitely an asshole to my future self
Reply to yourself with "Well fuck you too" and I'll delete my comment.
damn straight. lol.
I've been going through this the last six weeks... It started with sleeping at most 5 hours a day, at worst three days in a row of 1 hour a day. I'm on benzo's now (lorazepam) 1mg every other day, though today I started with once every two days. I'm a total neurotic mess, but have also got closure on many weighty topics, since I have nothing to lose anymore. Strangely I know this is for the better, a new beginning perhaps, but it's tough. In a sense life is suffering.
How are you doing these days?
I may not know how long our lives may last but as long as we can still feel love and fight that’s enough for me to know we’re still here
Dr Peterson's gift is to be able to articulate what we only feel deep inside.
You have to realize that you have a purpose. There’s no rule book for life. That child like wonder made us so happy while we were young. Once we get older we constrain ourselves into a box. Life doesn’t have to be that way. Go out and do what makes you happy.
I want to feel that again
i think it's because of school and our modern mindset..we fear we live in wrong place
For those who don't understand this, He said that to conquer existintial crisis is to keep busy for what you're aim and enjoying your journey
Yes The journey being the point , towards a noble goal.
What if you don't know where you're going? I am constantly having doubts about whether or not I'm persuing the RIGHT goal. I have wasted the last 2 decades trying to figure it out.
"Socially isolated you're insane and then you're dead."
I was isolated away from home for 5 straight months during the pandemic, only
face-to-face interaction was with grocery store clerks for the 30 seconds it
took to check out. I remember meeting with a friend shortly afterward and
realizing how robotic and cold I was, and it was like that for months after. T
hankfully, I reunited with family and friends who helped thaw me out of my own
head. I can't imagine the state of people who had to continue on like that
without some support -- from Covid or any other illness or living situation.
A while back I learned that when people go blind, the neurons dedicated to sight
slowly phase out (or are maybe repurposed, can't recall specifics). But so much
of our brain is dedicated to helping us survive through community, changing
others and changing ourselves to stay together. Although taken for granted,
socialization is a massive computational task demanding repeated holistic
analysis of our environment and ourselves. Its execution isn't a singular process
but an orchestra of every sensation and emotion and belief available to us. To
leave so much of our mind unemployed in its natural purpose is death by atrophy.
Never heard it put this way. What a dangerous quagmire to slowly sink into.
Mr. Peterson has had such a powerfully positive impact on my life. I am truly grateful for him.
I envy lions and turtles and squirrels and the like, for I know damn well they don't have to bother with an existential crisis, fight for survival notwithstanding...
I was Christian.... i now envy those stupid people that believe in some magical God that doesn't exist. But now i know the truth i can't go back and live a life of lies. Because i now know the truth.
it's still not late tho. I was an atheist before but i became a catholic again. just like what Peterson said, the world is very complex and you can't really tell if your interpretation or mine is the ''truth" because we're all just human and there's just things that we can never comprehend ourselves.
@@user-ii6cj8gi8u maybe the question is WHAT god really is..?
I have goosebumps all over my body.. this was pure wisdom..
I’m only 15 years old and have been learning about the “Big Bang Theory” in science class. I have never really been a firm believer in god to fill the gaps of the unknown and have since been going through the question of existence, and my purpose. Sure, I used to think that it was crazy that I was able to talk to other people and they’d be able to understand what I am saying and feeling, but these past few weeks have really been tough because now it’s a much deeper thought process when it comes to understanding existence. It’s becoming a daily thing for me to “go into manual mode” and not value life as usual, it’s almost like it means nothing. I can’t even wrap my head around what I am feeling and let alone express it to other people without feeling insane. I’m glad Jordan gave this presentation, it made me feel more “grounded”. I just wish I was sick during that fucking week of science class where I had the task of questioning existence and learned about the Big Bang!
you are not the only one, im going through the exact same thing here, im trying to look on the good side of it but fuck its so hard to ignore it once u realize it
Travis ruclips.net/video/UTk851JcvwU/видео.html
Hope things got better for you
“Something happening now doesn’t affect something that happened ten years ago- even though it can, but whatever.”
*me, in the middle of nauseating existential dread*
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Same
Philosophy is the discussion of (Maybes') field with no conclusive answers.
just the act of someone explaining something gives me the dreads. because WHYYYY?
@@-Siculus-Hort- the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t? Perhaps.
@@LucasJMoore nooooooooo
Please don't cut me.
Lmao xD
Lmao xD
Did you make this account just to make that joke
Here I am, tripping balls and I burst into laughter. Lmao. xD
Cut!
this really talked me down from the literal edge.. i'm not über conservative; but i really enjoy his lectures.
Something to think about is you’re not alone with these thoughts. Simply talking to friends or family more will improve your mental health.
This is very helpful. Having an aim that directs oneself in life is essential.
As Mr. Peterson says in this video lecture, "If you don't have a noble aim, then all you have is shallow, trivial pleasures, and they don't sustain you. And, that's not good."
He helps unite people brave enough to fight the greatest struggles.
Existential dread is what arises when we cannot die nobly. It all stems from a lack of purpose. There is no set in stone purpose for your life. You have to take the time and find whats important to you. What makes you scared? What makes you angry? Who do you see suffering? Go try to fix that. When we don't know what we're doing internally, we won't understand what we're doing externally either. You don't need to have an "ego death" on drugs, you just need to become selfless through putting others before yourself in this short time on Earth. Love is truly the most important thing in this gamut of suffering.
Jordan Peterson, thank you. That is all.
I've noticed physical pain brings you back to reality. Search for pain.
Yes.
It is very important to distinguish when you have to focus between the lines, days; and when to look from the specific paradigm or process or value that is the matter in order for a coherent and successful understanding of it. It's not always enough to focus on the end lesson and nuances in between but also why you are operating there and what you are leading into. You get deeper understanding of the cause and you get the gist of ideas, new perspectives and effective solutions which is even beyond that paradigm where you originally started.
Things can be abstract at some point or for someone and the same things can be living manifestation in its whole.
Everything fundamentally depends upon how healthy you are and your fundamental health depends upon how is everything on you, with you, for you.
This is a piece of lecture that helped me save from collapsing from suffering back when pain self-caused for nothing but definately by some things which I did or didn't supposed to do.
7:52 "pain argues for itself"
I love Jordan Peterson but if I close my eyes all I keep waiting for him to say is: “it’s not easy being green” 😂
I think I am experiencing this. The past few months I've been struggling with my grip on reality, life(which is seeming to loose meaning of late) has been seeming like a huge monster and the uncertainty of the future an ever looming danger. I am experiencing waves of sadness and no matter what I do I can't get out of this funk. lately Ive started applying a little bit more structure to my life for example changing my diet excersicisng waking up at the same time and meditating. but I still have this uncertainty looming over me. I think I need a goal to work towards but I'm not sure how exactly I can find one or figure it out. Any ideas?
Find a hobby?
Yes. Find yourself. Find a goal what is that you want to do to leave an impact on this world.. having wife and kids is one way
Any better? Update please
So... How exactly does one cut through an existential crisis, again?
Just don’t become isolated.
Other than that, yer on yer own.
Try not to get too fat getting into life’s little meaningless pleasures.
Find some way to scrape your exploded self off the concrete, putting one smashed to pieces foot in front of the other smashed to pieces foot, and maybe, just maybe the ol’ blob of flesh will stand strong once more.
Find a group of friends
@@caileanparis9998 friend a group of finds.
Friends will not stop an existential crisis ..
Existential thoughts are contemplating the "big issues"
Death, freedom, meaning in life etc..
Friends may distract you.. great.. that's not the point. Movies will do the same...
One cuts through it, , by understanding.. Peterson says it frequently. Not in just this video
Life can be absolute misery, best to not make it hell.
Do what you can, so life is less hell-like
It is shit... Do you best to make it less shit.
He uses fancier words.
The point is we all suffer, we can absolutely make it worse, or we can buckle down and bare it.
After all, it's not forever.... Let's fucking hope not anyway....
Have an aim, make it your purpose, now it's your life's meaning. Existential crisis disappears.
i grew up in a religious family but recently i started to question what i’d been taught all my life. i went through an existential crisis at the age of fucking 14, i became nihilistic at 14 years old. i’m 15 now. i didn’t understand what i was experiencing, and it just made it all worse. it sucks. these thoughts are obstructions in my daily life. i’m doing bad in school because i can’t see the purpose in trying. my relationship with my friends and family is deteriorating. none of my friends understand what i’m going through, they can’t empathize with me and i can’t seek comfort in them. i can’t tell my family because they’d disown me for losing my faith. i want to believe in god so bad, but i just... can’t bring myself to. i don’t want to be feeling this way at this age, i can’t cherish anything in life anymore, i want to be happy and have fun but i can’t. i don’t have anyone to help me and i don’t know how to help myself. it’s sad that i have to resort to the internet for answers...
Ash Lynx ruclips.net/video/UTk851JcvwU/видео.html
same man.. idk watr to do this question kills me alive eacch day
How are you doing now bro
@@SunlightSentinel i’m monotheist, this time by choice :)
@@drmosaddegh ok I guess whatever makes you feel better
The rationalism of the Greeks was rediscovered in the 18th Century. And this as a movement had its consequences need to be mapped out. Dr. Peterson has got the ball rolling on this discussion very well. And so this conversation is most welcome.
The rise of rationalism, the steam engine, and the machine age tied in with the rise of scientific knowledge was lauded as “The Enlightenment”. But was it really such an enlightening thing to forget our God?
In the modern era faith in God was pushed aside. Now scientists became our new high priests, redirecting our world view and their spokesmen, men like Karl Sagan were giving us their take on the cosmos and the meaning of life. The world became a clockwork universe. It was just waiting for man to master it. And to kick God out in the cosmos was the real plum for the profane masses of humanity.
This was crystallized in the higher criticism that became so powerful in Germany in the 19th Century. The seminaries were parked right next to the schools of engineering. Then came Darwin with his great leap of faith. He said that the created order we see before us just created itself by random acts of mutational accidental kindness and order, a serendipity that goes beyond reason. Many were chomping at the bit and keen to follow his lead. His book, “The Origin of the Species” flew off the shelves in the bookstores of London.
Can a Boeing 787 emerge out of an explosion in a machine shop? We were told that lighting strikes on rocks over water, uniting with atoms of carbon and nitrogen took us from inorganic to the organic chemistry of life. We were told we must believe this. And so this belief, this doctrine, became the group-think, the collective mindset of what was once Western Christendom.
But where did all this rationalism and secular humanism lead us? Did we arrive at Utopia?
Far from it. The French existentialists like Jean Paul Sartre were seeking a way out of what was fast becoming a cold steel hearted rationalism. But they reported that their excursion, their unreasoned “leap of faith” into existentialism led to another cold dead empty place of “No Exit”. Soon we saw the emergence of the theater of the absurd. In their inner emptiness and the encroaching death of the West the French thinkers and anti-thinkers reverted back to their primordial selves. They acted out their psycho-sexual fantasies. Then they acted them out for the other empty souls attending the theater and the cinema.
The English speaking people faired better. They had their awakenings. Then in 1897 the poet Rudyard Kipling lit a lamp to shine some light to dispel some of the gathering darkness. The occasion was Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee. The day after this he gave his prophetic warning to the English speaking people now at the peak of their power. In his poem, “Recessional” he said that we in the Great British Empire have been a nation greatly blessed. But in the midst of our success we must not forget our God.
But they did forget Him. And what followed was a showcasing of that great collective amnesia. In 1912 in the midst of all the hoopla and jingoism of the British Empire the S.S. Titanic sailed out of Southampton. And the words that marked the voyage were, “Not even God Himself could sink her!”
What followed was an epic tragedy of the sea with terrible loss of life. Then two years later in 1914, straight out of this “age of reason” and out of this much worshiped machine age, came two terrible world wars. They were dehumanizing, soul destroying, and terrible beyond all comprehension.
The very machines that had become our gods, even the factories that made the stream engines and internal combustion engines and other wonders of the age were now making the bombs and artillery shells to kill and maim in ways never seen before. The thousands of guns, the tanks, the machine guns, and flying machines strafing the men in the trenches were tearing and rending the flesh and souls of men in hideous ways, and on a scale never seen before. We came out of the Great War shell-shocked.
So much for rationalism. Now in the 21st Century we see that mystique of the machine has gone on to become the mystique of the computer and information technology. Now we have the possibility of surveillance of all citizens. This is being done by GPS, by webcams, by tracking credit card spending, and by biometrics. So much for the age of reason, the machine age, and the brave new world of secular humanism and the godless religious humanism that became attached to it.
And so what became of the poem Rudyard Kipling had penned? It was hijacked. The poet was revamped in our perceptions and repurposed for the groupthink of nations. No longer was the message “Lest we forget our God”. Now it became, “Lest we forget our dead soldiers, our glorious war dead”.
Here is the poem, and the prophetic warning given by Rudyard Kipling.
His message still speaks to us today, if we care to pause for a moment and listen.
ruclips.net/video/PbTV-tKVCpM/видео.html
Thanks!
Well, the postmodern critique is another creative technique to dissect a problem or issue at hand. Unlike with classical critique, which only gives a linear way of looking at things.
I just went through EC, and JP makes perfect sense. It's amazing how something so complicated can be explained. I wonder if someone who has never been to EC can grasp it or not
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10:31 How do you explain the hikikomori (people who lock themselves in their room and only come out if necessary for basic needs like food) in Japan? There have been people 30 t 40 years old who have isolated themselves like this for over 10 years or possibly more. Of course, I guess you can always go online and achieve social interaction that way so you won't go quite as crazy.
Yep, I was wondering about that too, being something akin to hikikomori. And I am not from Japan either. I just don't like being around people, so I don't do that unless I really have to. When I hear people telling me how they would become crazy if they were like me, I feel like I have a special power of not needing people. I can understand my own flaws and how I am very antisocial, I don't fit in well with people, I don't like to "have fun" with people. People can hurt you more than things, and even Jordan Peterson talks often about malevolence and how we can understand evil much better than good. Maybe I am misinterpreting his words?
It’s not isolation. They have internet, television, even old fashioned radio. With these things outside ideas can still be bounced around within the isolated’s mind. There’s still a form of isolation, but not total, long long term.
I started reading the 12 steps by aa and its not just a book for addicts. I saw Gabor MAte and Russel Brand talk about it and got curious. I think it would help so many people that are stuck in negative thinking and anxiety and depression. Give it a try guys, I am reading this version: A Trip Through the 12 Steps: With a Doctor and Therapist
Ok so, I've been listening to him a lot and I'm growing much respect for him but I'm still at odds with some things he says. So, it seems like his objection to post modernism is that if you consider everything to be subjective and lacking of an intrinsic meaning or value, everything becomes chaotic and unmanageable and you end up in a lot of suffering because things don't attribute meaning and value to your life, they don't guide you in a certain direction or towards a certain purpose. First of all I find this a characteristic trait of conservatives: the absolute need for control and for the institution of traditional structures because they fear otherwise everything may just fall apart and we'll descend into chaos because we'll be unable to handle ourselves. I share some of this fear which is in part a fear of the unknown - we don't know what things may become if they're not the way they used to be or if they don't mean or are worth what they used to, for that matter. At least we know the outcome of things that were before and even if they're flawed, we still know how bad it can be whereas we do not know how bad things could be if they were something they never were before. I can kind of relate to that but I still think it's very flawed and that there must be a place for chaos. I'm very artistically inclined and chaos, subjectiveness, deconstruction of present ideas, etc. are very good catalysers to creativity and evolution. On the second hand, I also find his position very similar to the sometimes unconscious mindset of religious people (which is no surprise, I know). Some people feel very anxious about the idea that their lives and existence may be absolutely devoid of any meaning in the long run other than what we atribute to it on a personal level. People need that their victories and their sufferings are worth something and mean something in the big scheme. It seems to them unbearable that they're really not going anywhere and nothings' gonna really make a difference and that morality is more of a set of rules to the optimal way of socialising but may be lacking of any true goodness or badness. I'm not saying it's one way or the other. I'm saying that if we come to the rational conclusion that everything is pretty much subjective, why not coming to terms with it and get on with life? It is what it is and I find it blinding that we would prefer to say "No, there must be a meaning because if there isn't I'll be miserable and everything will be chaotic!". Who're you trying to fool? Yourself? Into out-ruling interpretations of art and life that would be at conflict with your comfort zone? What if you can really interpret Hamlet in infinite ways and every one of them is equality valid and not intrinsically true or important? Will you just close your eyes to that and stick with the interpretation that supports your view on life and your structures, in a political, moral, social, and personal level? How coward is that? We should take the world and life for what they are even if it feels bitter that they're not as we wished: with a greater meaning and purpose, with a solid structure and direction and objective. And on a side note I find it very ironic that religious people also tend at the same time to rely on the very same subjectivity and the endless multiplicity of interpretations to justify their belief in things they we know aren't true. We got to a point where every time history or science proves religion wrong, religious people seek refuge in the metaphorical sense of everything in the Bible, for example. Even Peterson does this. Adam and Eve is still true in a metaphorical sense, ok. Moises and God in the mountain and the ten commandments is still true in a metaphorical sense, ok... The idea of Christ and his teachings is so critical in society that the resurrection and eternal life of Christ is still true in a metaphorical sense.... Oh, come on! Then what isn't true?! Talk about post modernist subjectivity and deconstructionism... You make what you want out of everything so that it doesn't take away your comfort too much. And he's advocating for that.
If you've ever been visited by the spirit of existential dread, congratulations-you’re in a pretty blessed position. It means your basic needs are met to the point where you get to sit around wondering about your place in the universe. Think about it, when you’re fighting for survival, the last thing on your mind is the meaning of it all.
Summary: "You need constraints on the system so the system doesn't drown in an infinite sea of interpretation." Last line. lol
i dnt knw exactly wat tat line says and idk how to implement at lol can u help
@@zombie_music4life create a code for yourself and work within that understanding
The postmodernist idea that everything and every idea is open to one individual's own personal interpretation is dangerous because going down that path can lead to the extremist idea that "the self", in terms of identity, is all that can be known to exist in the universe. This ideology is also known as "Solipsism." Solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind. As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist. Although this cannot be disproven, it also cannot be proven, and I believe that whichever point of view you choose will ultimately decide how you behave and go about living life. I truly believe that the Solipsist has no reason to live life in a peaceful and benevolent manner because, if nothing exists outside of oneself, there's no reason to believe that one's own actions have consequences.
You give them more credit than they deserve. They don't even think that deep. Most of them anyways.
All of this is interesting but I should go to sleep.
@@gt362gamer why sleep when you can watch deepfake videos of elon musk's face on a babe.
I shouldn't have read that
This right here, is exactly what I went through. It caused me a lot of anguish and insanity, it traumatized me and I could not live life normally anymore. I battled so many horrible, mind boggling existential thoughts including this, and when it comes to the idea of Solipsim, I have made the conclusion that in reality, it does not make any sense. If everything was truly in your head or in your mind, then why can't you control all of it? Why are you not like God? Why is it that everything acts as its own? How is it that we go through life and have to learn to eat, walk, speak, and work hard and do anything else that we need or want, and have it be entirely and completely pointless and in our imagination? It doesn't even make more sense to say that "oh it's not in our control but it's still in our imagination." But how??? This is how insanity can unfold, you are trying to make sense of things that do not make sense, repeating the same things over and over again. This is how fear and paranoia sets in, because as individuals we already fear the unknown and what we don't control. Our minds are big and vast, but sometimes we tend to think like we're God, thinking and ruminating things about the world and the universe and coming to these so called conclusions that have us thinking we know everything and can trust ourselves to be so bold about it. The best things we can do in life is to look around at what we have, we may not know the reason to everything, but we are here, we are real, we are alive and none of us are alone. We cannot waste our lives away in this loop of dread and depression and stress. We must live and make-do with what we've got.
He talks about noble aim. My experience is that people who keep noble aim are taken advantage of by people having less than noble aim. IMO, to navigate existential crisis really boils down to how long you can keep going and put with all nonsense without. quitting or without hurting yourself.
1:49 _you can't click and get those links_ y,yes you can. With the LDS scripture app you can.
I could enjoy perfect solitude. I'd be free.
really? That's interesting. I sometimes think that too. But I am not sure what do you mean by "free"? You would be free from relationships, but you would be trapped by nature, somewhat.
But you would be ironically privated of everything that involves someone other than you and or requires someone else aside from you to function and or provide.
You would be free of their restrains. But the Human world itself is made to function with both you and others.
Peterson has talked about this in other vídeos on how to view yourself in the world.
If you want, place yourself in a "last person in the world" type of situation.
You would only be prisioner to Your Human self. You would be free up to where your Human body in this now empty world can extend you to, yes.
But surviving would be Your last always meaningful task.
You can try to give yourself purpose after meeting boredom as an counter action in response to it. But then you are seeking to stop been free.
So you enter this loop.
So in the end.
Only way to be free from the Human nature and therefore total release of any strings this physical world has, would be death or sumision to that which you are going against.
Ties
Fullest Auto freedom is a state of mind.
Humans can thrive not just survive by them self in nature. That's where we came from.
We're tribal animals, we need other animals around us, we are dependent on company.
Careful what you wish for lol
Why then choose a path. Instead look at every path and then look at followers of those paths, try to figure out what that path leads to.
Learning from others experiences is the cheapest education.
Thank you for the video "Renegade Third Worlder". I'd like to add subtitles to this video: could you please allow the community to do so? Thank you
Did this man just read my mind or is reading minds his work after all?
I’ve seen a few comments on here about fear of the after life and eternity. The Bible says that in God’s presence their is fullness of joy, and at his right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Psalm 16:11)
What I think is terrifying to people is the thought of endless consciousness, that we would despair of life itself in a way that we couldn’t possibly grasp in our current state. But the teaching of the psalmist is that the joy of knowing God is utterly inexhaustible. Think of a really great time you’ve had with your best friend. Think about the pleasure it brought you to be together, doing whatever it was you did and how it made you feel alive- how it still makes you feel alive when you think of it now in your mind. It’s those experiences that make life enjoyable and meaningful - and it’s the fear of losing those types of joys/experiences to the erosion of time that scares us. We are easily bored, and we can’t have an infinite amount of pleasures from any friend or lover on this earth because we are all finite beings. But God is not finite. We can never tire of him because his excellence can never be totally searched out. It’s like experiencing a day that just keeps getting better and better the longer it goes on - and it goes on forever.
The Biblical answer is that we would approach God in humility, asking him to cleanse us from our sinfulness, so that we can be reconciled to him. Jesus said that when we do this, it’s like we finding a treasure in a field, and in our sheer joy, we sell everything else we own in order to purchase that field. (Matthew 13:44)
This is so great
"And that's not good!"
This guy's got his shit together! :O
Peterson is a genius of our time. Having no restraints was why the Mars Rover stopped working. It has too many choices and it fired the processor going in loops.
Can someone help explain this, I’ve been going through an existential crisis and I really need some help to solve it
Tristan Persad ruclips.net/video/UTk851JcvwU/видео.html
Tristan Persad by the way in Arabic, we call the one who created everything, ‘Allah.’... As in we say ‘Allah’ to refer to the one who created everything...
Find a goal for life and Stick to it
Exercise
Make friends
Enjoy the moment
How are you, 2 years later?
If you close your eyes it feels like Kermit the frog is talking to you about existentialism
THANK YOU!!!
Damn, Jordan you’re good
Mayo and Vodka? Sounds like a party.
i like your picature
PIKA-TUUURE
Problem for future Homer
I don't have any vodka, could I use gin?
Mayo for sam
Bit wrong, it's okay to have the nihilistic moment, the carthesis of creating your own authentic meaning, heals your soul. You go into it, to never doubt again. Nothing to do with right or wrong, just meaning, mortality, responsibility, and freedom.
Necessary, not sufficient. Create your own Raison d'etre. Be free, be Übermensch.
Funny how this man has impacted my life in just 2years
This video shows us the credibility of the Bible. A book written over the span of thousands of years with authors referencing each other without any idea of who they are, just casually cross referencing each other. God is truly glorious
keep going jp!!
I wonder what advice this guy would have given to Tolstoy when he went through his existential crisis. The confession by Tolstoy is such a good book to read. For a perceptive mind, sustaining itself through self created meaning is not satisfying enough. It is like a diabetes patient surviving on insulin shots. When a keen mind has seen through the absurd nature of life, it won't be satisfied with any of this popcorn philosophy. One has to go through nihility and meaninglessness and come out on the other side. Dabrowski's positive disintegration is better content to read on understanding existential crisis.
Do any of these books propose a solution? Or merely definition?
Existential crisis: Screwing things up and having to live with the consequences, turning your life and yourself into something else other than what it should've been.
It seems to me that there doesn't need to be an infinite number of interpretations for nihilism to creep in. Just a sufficient number of them to make choosing the right one so difficult as to be unattainable. Even Peterson states that we wouldn't have any way of confirming if we were on the one which is true. So i don't see any cure for nihilism here.
It is still seems to me that nihilism creeps in when person is unhappy/unsatisfied with their life. I am not religious and I am alot into philosophy so having sometimes existential crisis is noting new to me but it always follows after me failing or some tragedy happening or being ill whatever.
Humans function in the way that there is emotional response first then there is (usually) rational to justify your current emotional state. If you are healthy, feel overall good and have some goal to achieve (having good emotional state) your probability to get nihilistic thoughts (rationals) decrease significantly.
It is not ultimate cure but it helps. So JP is to some degree right.
mebe84 The cure to nihilism is not simply "faith." It is progress in a direction that you have chosen with intellectual skepticism, then applying faith to that. If you lazily use faith, you will find yourself with an extremely low level of understanding the world (cough*** most christians).
M Tichý agreed. The first time I felt the visceral effect of nihilism I also had clinical depression. The cure in my opinion is good health, good life and most importantly plenty of love and connectedness to the world. Existentialism helps as well, nihilism is the idea that life lacks inherit value and meaning, as we are the creators of these concepts in the first place then through us we can create this meaning (aka connectedness which leads to purpose) and value (which has always been a subjective measuring tool anyway).
Nihilism is false because the very term 'meaning' loses meaning outside the realm of the 'humansphere', to paraphrase Einstein.
+Alex B
I disagree. Nihilism is not necesarily false (but not saying is true either).
A) "Meaning" doesn't have a single meaning (irony included).
B) There are multiple forms and possible aspects of nihilism.
If we can rephrase meaning as the "core purpose", then it is possible to reach nihillism regardless of linguistics and semantics.
Martín Varela I agree. Our only core purpose seems to be to survive. Any other purpose ensues after. My only belief is our purpose that we uncover through living (i.e to become the worlds best soccer player or to raise a child) is equally as existentially valid as any predefined purpose.
I think we all know instinctively nihilism isn't a good thing. It can corrode the human spirit and stop us from enjoying life fully and reaching our potential. However regardless of anything I feel it silly to attach to a philosophy that is based on nothingness, when we only have an infinity to experience it once we inevitably perish :p
This is brilliant
The game of life
Mission objectives:
- Start something.
Conditions:
- At 99,9% stop, so you can't finish it and feel the emptiness of knowing that everything ended.
...
wait, that's like a neverending sentence, that's a prison! it's like drink something and still remain thirsty forever!!!!
...
Updated objectives
- Start something.
- Finish it!
- Move on to another objective.
Optional objectives:
- Look behind to enjoy the past objectives already completed. Don't be afraid, you don't have to get nostalgic while doing it. Why? You always can enjoy the present because you always have something to do that makes you go forward and, at the same time, you can just look behind to enjoy the growing snowball of gratifying achivements made earlier. Isn't that great? 😄
By the way, every time you achieve something you desired, you are getting what your past self only could dream about! 😊
Does anyone know where I can find this entire lecture?
And who or what decides what I restraint?
Hopefully not society, or I'm doomed.. best it be myself..
The results aren't taking people anywhere, an endless self fulfilling prophecy isn't progress.
Define progress in this context
So I shouldn't enjoy art and literature as an aim? It's not noble to read science fiction for pleasure? I'm confused.
I definitely aim to tell the truth and to help others in everyday life, is that enough? Do I have to make my career one of ultimate sacrifice?
I also suffer with pain, daily and arthritic in nature. A lot of people don't understand that and it troubles me to depression which only makes it worse.
Would anybody mind putting this into simpler terms for me?
Find a life long goal like giving service to the world or your society or create sth of your interest that can help others too and similar things.
Then stick to it
Make sure to have friends
And exercise
how does one identify his/her noble aim?
actually what Jordan Peterson said is to have purpose that you live and die for
progress to what you are aiming at.
then progress some more.
Too uncertain to live, too cowardly to die. I’m just stuck I suppose
How are you a year later?
@@TheBoomshine better, still uncertain but not totally crazy
@@noahhecker6672 Glad to hear. Did you do anything in particular that you are willing to share?
there is no noble aim(s), because there is no "noble" in the nature, unless we say we are not belong to nature.
Were can I get the full video for this
You're Gorgeous
This is a naive interpretation of post modernists like Derrida, Foucault... I get where he's coming from, the thing he's critiquing is called "Moral relativism" , not post modernism, post modernism is a large and vague umbrella term. (Rick Rodrick liked to interpret post modernism as 'the simulation becoming more real than the real') Of course I can understand the objection to post modern philosophy as it applies to narcissistic teenagers and their ever more meta avant-garde identities, but what an easy target, get real. Let's talk about Derida's Deconstructionism, the idea was never to eliminate interpretations, it was to challenge your interpretations by taking them apart with the idea in mind that you're going to put them back together later. (That you can't help putting them back together later, actually) So here's why that matters, there are an infinite number of ways to interpret The Dialogues (Plato), great. Jordan Peterson has the canonical interpretation of the dialogues, so hand out the spark notes and we're done, right? Totally pointless. No, read the dialogues, interpret the dialogues, then you're ready to be challenged by the sage wisdom of the canonical interpretations of the dialogues - and guess what, you're not going to like them. You're going to like your interpretation, so now pick them both apart, chew on that for a while. Now you're engaging with the text. That's the point.
Of course, it's true that feeble minded leftists saw this as a convenient excuse to not read the text in the first place, but why pick on those guys, that's a straw man.
There's a good case to be made that Derrida was a motivated malevolent troll, especially when it comes to written laws, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a good point.
Finally a sensible comment, thanks. What would you recommend as a (gentle) introduction to Derrida? His books seem pretty dense.
Ed Jrage Wes Cecil has a great lecture on youtube on Derrida
You could ultimately say the same for Karl Marx though mate, he had good points, but they were just rational articulation of many complex subjective narratives, that rationality doesn’t do any justice for. So when you try and create a ideology based on ideas, not archetypes of observed behaviour and mythology. There’s going to be details that will catch you out. For example Marx not taking human nature not account. Rational ideologies are too rigid, as they are based on rigid axioms. That’s the problem with modern religion, it’s become too dogmatic and prevents people from thinking for themselves as human beings and being an individual. Rational ideologies have a tendency to force people into rigid mind frames that prevent them from functioning properly.
Regardless if Derrida has good points, it’s irrelevant because ideology will also become too authoritarian.
Alexander Brandt
I had criticized JP for that for two years, and now just listen for the aspects of JP that are useful for me.
I researched a little of writing but never read his books. But in an essay he writes about Heraclitus, which was very influential on both Derrida and Jung.
I am actually more bewildered by his critique of Foucault. Because some of Foucault‘s work would be a defense for „less government libertarianism“. And that Foucault uses Nietzsche‘s ideas. But likely rejects Foucault because he is associated with the left. But as Foucault actually said he wanted to create a set of tools anyone can use.
In my experience, JPs rejection of postmodernism is off the mark. The real issues he has come from some types of feminism and post colonialism which sometimes uses post-modern lingo without knowing what it means.
I have seen this for example from some gay academics who will reference Foucault and then repeat a political meme like „born this way“ and then you realize they don‘t understand Foucault at all, but like referring to him because it is fashionable and because Foucault was homosexual. No mention to how Foucault critiqued the gay movement, criticized identity politics, and refuted most of the claims of the gay movement.
This sadly happens all the time in academia.
I tried to „politely“ call it out then. Then I realized that many academics want to play a game of authority persona, moral dogmatic posturing, and utter disregard for the truth. So in the very least I get some vicarious satisfaction when JP points out that non-sense.
And to be fair JP did say in another interview „that I am not specifically against certain postmodern ideas but how they have been used.“
Which I would wholeheartedly agree with.
The Bible was created in part by the process of hermeneutics which involved multiple interpretations. For example there are 4 canonical gospels but there are also at least 40 other non-canonical gospels. Some of which have radically different perspectives and imply certain marginalized ideas. The thomas gospel is a widely cited example because it alludes to a immanent revelation of the Kingdom of Heaven. Which is an idea that is similar to Spinoza or Buddhism. There are gospels about the wife of Jesus, which many find blasphemous. Then there are Gnostic texts which call the creator God an imposter which has a similarity to William Blake's Urizan.
Yes things can be widely and wildly interpreted. But we can also see certain clear ideas and intentions of meaning.
Postmodernism is right, there are a huge possibility of interpretation. They are right that certain narratives create dominant ideas that marginalize and oppress other ideas.
Where they are wrong is how ideas function. Saint Peter was called Satan by Jesus and also became the founder of the Christian Church. Ananda was called the one who remembers much but knows little and became the founder of Buddhism.
The institutions of Christianity can never emulate the living word of Christ. Nor can the Buddhist traditions be the true path to Buddha-hood. Most of it is corrupted by their representation or politics or popularism. But they remain institutions that carry remnants of the message in their forms and rituals.
The esoteric ideas will always be hard to find because the come spontaneously out of your depth.
The exoteric ideas create a functional society of one kind or another. The esoteric ideas create a functional individual.
The world must listen to this white man-2020
Daniela Galdino-Jolly ruclips.net/video/UTk851JcvwU/видео.html
I managed to kick the EC in the balls, then I realized I got way more done when I was having the crisis... I want it back, feels like shit but I'll take it.
What the hell did you just say
What if a better world involves a world which is not heavily overpopulated so that nature and all its species can flourish, instead of the current man-made extinction event we are living in, with its pollution and climate change?
Then you can either become a mad scientist or be in existential crisis.
Or stop taking life seriously, which might make you a mad scientist ;)
Like a psychologist who struggles with Nietzsche, he was not a post modern arse.
I dont believe in the simulation theory because, think about it, we invented zombies, they are a fantasy idea WE created. Simulations, similarly, are also created by us, so believing we are in a simulation is like thinking zombies are real :v
So, in short, Peterson thinks truth is whatever ensures survival (and maybe "happiness" or something like that). That's not a refutation of the "post-modernist" argument at all. I've watched dozens of his videos and agree with a lot of what he says, but he repeatedly defends this view without actually addressing the problem.
Ed Jrage I would suggest learning about emotional intelligence to go with what JBP talks about. It helps alot.
Thanks, but I think I know quite a bit about emotional intelligence and I'd say it has nothing to do with refuting an epistemological argument.
Ed Jrage He says that it’s a type of truth, known as pragmatic truths, which he argues are debatably more important than scientific truths. Because with scientific truths, they describe what is. But you can’t produce an ought, from an is.
So you can’t simply have a society purely based on scientific truths, it needs to be both scientific truths, and pragmatic truths. Because morality is just far too complex to decipher rationally.
Post modernism, essentially asserts everybody has they’re own subjective lens of observation, hence everybody’s opinion holds equal value and is all right in some way. And the only real factor is power. So the only way to prove someone wrong, is not through truth, but through power. It essentially is an evil ideology/way of thinking, because it puts your soul in eternal chaos, because if prevents you from ever being grounded in any form of truth.
h-h-heres your pain back.
500th Like!!! :)
I like that
In the first minute I thought Dr. Peterson was in fact a computer scientist. We talk shit like this all the time, only about techy stuff.
With all these constraints, what's the point in living? How could you possibly exist as your true self if you are living a lie?
Alius Cogitabam Not all constraints are devised to steer you the right way. Many of them are meant to prevent you from having a mind of your own. They are regulations set to control and label you, thus killing all individual expression. The ones who create these constraints want to use you for their own purposes and prevent you from outshining them.
Do what makes you happy
How are you doing right now bro?
Jordan just talked himself out of him biblical lectures and the validity of them and he didn’t even know it.
Started crying
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So I need an aim...
I wish i wasn't born.
Tai Lung
It all depends on what you think you are, we do have a spiritual side, the question that gets me is which one is fundamental and which one is derivative. With all due respect I think your looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
Peterson can be quite the pessimist due largely to his infatuation with understanding what causes states to become totalitarian, and what modes of thinking can produce normal people to commit the horrors of the twentieth century.
I would recommend some G.K Chesterton or C.S Lewis, even just googling some quotes can get you thinking in different perspectives. You can also find some audio books here on RUclips.
@Tai Lung nah bro you got it all wrong, JP is against nihilism, hes all about finding meaning in life. The best piece of advice I've ever heard from him was to create a life so meaningful that the suffering is worth it. Our existence is full of suffering but life is also full of beauty and love so you should stick around to experience it, If for no other reason than u got nothing better to do
Just concentrate on your breathing. Keep breathing.
But you were born, you are alive. Happiness is a choice. Spend some time in nature, it helps.
People who define themselves by their jobs or so called success are usually miserable people. It's YOUR perspective. So figure out who you really are, your flaws and everything. Be a better person and maybe you will help other people be better people too.
It's the little things in life that count :)
And by little things, I mean the things we take for granted. Hope you are well
Modern sage