I am from Picayune, Ms. My mother went to school with Norman. You can ask every body in my town that knows about Norman's death and the only people that will say it was suicide is anyone that was on good terms with Sheriff Lumpkin. Everyone else has no doubt it was a murder, and to this day so many have no doubt that Sheriff Lumpkin, knew more than he let on. They only kind of sheriff that would refuse to do an investigate to bring justice to an innocent person.....is a sheriff that is hiding something. Also this: Norman's wallet was empty when they found his body but... Not long after Norman's death his ID was found in New York. It wasn't suicide, plan and simple.
I'm used to DAs and shady cops busting the wrong guy but It's just crazy how quickly crappy cops write off deaths as self inflicted and ignore family saying IT'S NOT I know with 120% certainty some friends and myself wouldn't off themselves, I don't care how bad it gets besides euthanasia it's comical to be told that with some people I love living haha, I've had some really bad times but I look forward to life, I want to read stormlight 10 in 20 years, see the and of one piece You can absolutely be certain if someone wouldn't self delete, same as you can know people with mental health issues are at risk
It's pretty cool to read the comments on Unsolved Mysteries. No one for the most part is being a jerk. It's mostly people sharing stories, updates on cases, and condolences. People simply being kind, thoughtful, and truly interested. All you folks out there being like that; please, never change. The world needs you.
@@alli-kat2329 lol well first off I never said I read them all. I said for the most part. But I honestly feel bad for you. When you get to that other side of individuality you will realize how much wasted time was spent reacting instead of responding.
@@alli-kat2329 You obviously have no life so you have to try and make others feel as bad as your mom did the day she found out she was pregnant for you💯💀
Norman grew up in a family familiar with firearms. Suicide by rifle in the manner alleged may be possible, but very hard to do. Usually, suicide by long gun involves placing the muzzle under the jaw. The fact that the bullet exited his skull strongly implies something more powerful than a .22 LR, as this round is known to bounce around inside the skull. A rifle using a cartridge powerful enough to exit the skull would probably be heavy enough to be hard to hold steady in the manner described, especially for someone his age.
It's Mississippi. Our local governmental entities are generally the criminals here. There are some legit ones but far and few between. We have a "good ole boy system" that system is every race etc. Most of the drug dealers are working for our through government entities. The police arrest the "rivals" only. It's been this way for generations. Hence why we call this the dirty south.
Norman was murdered. The police are either corrupt or to lazy to find the truth. Sad and pathetic. I hope the family finds the truth and has closure. Rip norman
I read more into the Norman case. The sheriff was later arrested for dog fighting and other illegal activities. He died in 2007. I think the sheriff and law enforcement around there were probably involved in some illegal activity and drug cartels. Sadly Norman probably stumbled on their operations and was killed cause he was a witness. This explains why the case was quickly closed and his death ruled a suicide.
Casts even more doubt on his credibility. His arguments for suicide were extremely weak at best. If you can't even prove Norman's own gun killed him, you can't prove suicide period.
The Norman Ladner segment is so hard to watch. He seemed like such a sweet kid and it's clear his parents adored him. His poor mother especially just seemed so heartbroken talking about him. Just an all around tragedy.
If you look at Kennedy (the little girl) on Facebook you’ll find her mom on her friends list and it looks like charita isn’t part of their lives anymore
I often wonder when I see these old episodes that are more than 30 years old, if any of these people are still living and how they have been doing over the decades.
Strange Update in the first case of Norman Ladner who police ruled committed suicide in the woods on his property.....about a year or so after this aired Norman Ladner wallet and license was found on the side of the road in NEW YORK!! very very strange. How the hell did his wallet get to NY when he lived in Mississippi??
well obviously after norman shot himself some wild animal came by and attracted by the scent of the leather picked it up had it in its mouth when struck by a car on the local highway. then the wallet became lodged in the wheelwell until the car got to new York and hit a pothole because new York has bad roads. there is no indication to the contrary therefore no reason to reopen the case.
@@gristamshackleford2102 I don't know about that. I think it's most likely that a vortex was created the moment Norman shot himself and it sucked in his wallet and deposited it in NY in the future. Either way, since there is nothing to specifically indicate that a person left it there, we can safely rule that out entirely.
The Norman case seems shady. Suicide or accident can't be completely ruled out but what i dont like is that the Sherriff didn't even bother to have an Investigation. Terrible police work. Imagine having to find the bullet yourself instead of police making an effort?! Local authorities didn't think the device in the woods was suspicious? Their incompetence is suspicious.
If was an obvious suicide then no need for investigation. From what I've seen on UM looks very shady but afterall it is a TV show they have to make it interesting
That sequence where the guy snuck up on Norman scared the hell out of me as a kid. I think I was 12 or so when this originally aired. It's still creepy.
@@lauriegagnon You are missing the point papsmear. ITs evil to kill anyone - but I would rather be killed for a lot of money, rather than 25 cents. Then again, your azz isnt even worth that much so...
The spiral staircase is such a beautiful story. What are the chances that the nuns would pray to St Joseph for a capable carpenter, then a MASTER carpenter shows up! This mans grandfather was obviously a very talented woodworker. I believe he is the man who built the staircase. God works in such mysterious ways...
Norman was definitely murdered, It breaks me that their parents had to live with that, I'm so sorry that any parents have to go through this, I hope they get the justice that they deserve even if they have perished.
@@thediariesofshannanicole3774 Seems like they are scared and know what happened or they have been paid to look the other way. They should be required to investigate under those circumstances. So frustrating for the parents.
Norman's mom is a real lady! I am surprised to see her speaking in such a soft voice, her gestures so feminine, striving to continue talking despite the lump in her throat and emotions invading her at that moment ... poor lady ... she still lives?
This show ALWAYS scared me but I still liked watching it, especially at night!! Too bad these type of shows are no longer made, everything is "staged" reality
I feel for Mrs. Charlette Ladner - given the interview, to me Mrs. Ladner was one of, if not the most - articulate, sincerest of people to give testimony in the history of the program. I feel if the Ladners believed their son committed suicide, then as his mother, Mrs. Ladner would have spent the rest of her life to prevent teen suicides; but as it stands, by her husband’s word, Norman Ladner was not unhappy or depressed. So it would be natural for her to advocate for her son’s justice. This event has too many questions, and death ruled by suicide, in my opinion, is not an option.
That's a sad segment because I would hate for someone just to label a family member of mine a suicide when I know they was murdered to cover up something
Poor Norman was most likely murdered when he witnessed an elaborate drug deal in the forest, which is very scary on its own. Add to it the fact some of these investigators obviously tried to cover up the whole thing and you get one of the scariest segment ever seen on UM. That guy Lumpkin can't be trusted, and it's terrorizing to think detectives would lie blatantly to hide the existence of drug trafficking. Very scary stuff.
Jonathan Turbide Very strange ha Sounds quite familiar look at the murders of Don Henry and Kevin Ives for example. ruclips.net/video/vjTr2EfNyIE/видео.html
@@shawnlittle3091 Yep, great comment! Indeed there's plenty of similarities between these cases, and if I had to bet the house on it I'd say all three of them died for the same reason (they saw a major drug transaction in the forest, and were silenced by the traffickers). UM should have done a segment on how similar the cases are. 👍
Witnessing a “major” drug deal? How would they know its major? I doubt the risk is worth it. To take their crime that much higher to murder? Night time in a forest? How identifiable would their attributes be? The case will never be solved unless someone talks. Same with those poor young men who died on the train tracks (I think that’s the case you referenced). Robbery is a strong motive. I’ve heard a startling quote about robbery/homicide. What’s the difference between a robbery and a murder? A breath.
ya I thought they were maybe abit loony and lying about the bullet but when they found that equipment used by drug dealers the whole thing made sense. Those small town authorities are probably corrupted.
The sheriff knows exactly who murdered Norman and was possibly the very one that done it. I absolutely believe he come up on a drug drop. And or lick up. The sheriff is right in on it!!! ALL the way!
@@lanceuppercut7203 exactly. It wouldn't be television worthy if they showed both sides. The cops and the DEA weren't interested in a radio beacon for large drug drops in the woods? Yeah sounds like bs to me. Those "missing 411" stories are just as flawed, if not more. Ridiculous theories thought up by the victims' families and a writer of fictional novels. Paranormal Witness was good for this reason - they also got the accounts from 3rd party witnesses like police and stuff who have no reason to lie about what they saw, and in fact are likely to face discrimination for coming out with their account of events.
It felt weird seeing "teenager dies in the woods and was never brought to justice" and then seeing it go straight to "2 childhood friends who never saw each other for years are reunited"
I've actually *seen* that spiral staircase in person, while visiting Santa Fe. It's actually a pretty significant tourist attraction, and not at all far outside the center of town.
Okay I'm religious, and I believe in God. But I don't understand why the nuns were so disbelieving that this man's grandfather made the staircase. I mean it wasn't like he was out for money, or fame. Any comes from a long line of Carpenters. It always bugged me why they would think he would be lying!
Maybe God put it in his heart to do it.. Jesus said give with your right hand , so your left hand doesn't know what it's doing.. Your riches are in heaven..
Norman was killed on his property by a gun shop because he possibly saw something that people didn't want them to. Adam Walsh was abducted and decapitated by a serial killer. The two boys look alike but that's pretty much where the similarities end.
Nikki Crowder where ever you are out there you are so sweet to remember your promise to your friend... Nikki Crowder you are a true friend... God bless you always.
The cop who said "my feeling" regarding the young boy's death..total bullshit. Your job as a cop is supposed to rely on facts, not on your own gut feeling.
Never tell the mother of a murdered child to back down on finding out what happened to her child unless you wanna spur her on further because that is what is gonna happen
When I was in grade school I had a friend that was shot on a hunting trip with some his family . We were told that he was shot on accident and was mistaken to be a dear ... I still think the story is poppycock. It was a Religious school, and he was most likely going to not end up with a wife ... if you catch my drift. He pops in my head once in a while, and my heart still hurts for him.
Norman Ladner his case reminds me of the boys on the train tacks which we know today actually WAS a case of the kids stumbling on a drug pickup and were killed but the police say its not possible in any way well its happened before and it looked a lot like this
That little girl Nyleen was never found, and her family relocated to Japan in 1994. In 1995, Nyleen's mother, the one featured in the interview was murdered in Mexico, making for an even stranger Unsolved Mystery.
@Jewel Clark It´s not even confirmed that Nyleen was abducted. The only person who claimed to see her with a man was another little girl whose testimony is highly dubious. So somehow, this person that abducted her child, if he even exists, then tracks down her Mom vacationing 12 years later in Mexico and kills her. I´d say its pretty close to impossible.
@@christopherwalkinalloverya5824 A man wearing a jogging suit was allegedly seen in the area this day, and Marshall was seen speaking to him,[5] though it is unknown if he was involved.[1] It´s not even confirmed that he abducted her. Supposedly some kids saw her talking to a man. How did no other adults see him? It´s more likely she got lost and died of exposure. Heaps of kids go missing and die getting lost in National Parks. Parents refuse to accept something so mundane happened to their kids so they look for something extra-ordinary like a kidnapping. Refusing to accept accidental death is a very common phenomenon. Especially in distraught parents.
@Jewel Clark It's a possibility. I remember another woman named Kathleen on another video about Nyleen left a comment that she knew her mother while living in Tokyo. It's strange, why did they moved all the way to Tokyo, Japan and then her mother Nancy went all the way to Mexico?! Was it part of their jobs or something?
I've been at that Church. The stairs are incredible. What they didn't tell you is that the original did NOT have a hand rail. It was just 33 floating steps. The hand rail was added later because walking the steps was dangerous.
did you also visit the statue of our lady peace, the statue has human hair that continues to grow on its own, they annually have it taken down to cut the hair and then they have a service while taking the statue throughout the churches for everyone to see. it is amazing . you have to actually go there to fully respect it. im not religeous but this one is certainly something paranormal. as for the commentators here they have no faith in a good god this is why our world is becoming what it is
@Jewel Clark .. She was murdered in Mexico, no doubt about it. The US authorities advised Kim Marshall to not peruse a murder investigation by the Mexican authorities for several reasons, one them being the fact that they would never release her body to be returned back to the USA
@@lmiller9178 Unsolved. After the broadcast, a viewer contacted the telecenter, believing that one of his students was Nyleen. However, when police went to her house, it was discovered that she was actually another missing child, Monica Bonilla. She had been abducted by her father several years earlier. Shortly after the discovery, she was reunited with her mother. In August 1991, forty-two-year-old Richard James Wilson confessed to killing Nyleen and another woman. He had a 1984 conviction in Helena for sexually assaulting a minor. He also had a history of mental illness. He was held in jail for a week but was released after authorities stated they did not have enough evidence to charge him. It is not known if he is still considered a suspect in the case. In 1995, Nancy was found dead in a Mexico City hotel room. At first, authorities ruled her death a suicide. However, the status of the case was later changed to "undetermined/under investigation". Kim, along with other family and friends, believe she was raped and murdered. It is not believed that her death had anything to do with Nyleen's disappearance. In 1998, investigators looked into the possibility that a nineteen-year-old Oklahoma woman calling herself "Helena" was Nyleen. She was taken to a New Orleans hospital to give birth. She was evasive when the staff asked questions about her past. One of the them later saw a re-airing of the broadcast and suspected that she may have been Nyleen. She remembered little of her childhood and believed that her mother's name was Nyleen. She agreed to have her blood tested and compared to that of Nyleen's parents. It is not known what the test results revealed; however, it is believed that she was not a match. Sadly, Nyleen's disappearance remains a mystery. If she is still alive, she would now be in her forties.
Thank you for posting all these episodes I love this show and I’m watching every single one! This version with Robert Stack is the original and still the best!
With our without religion you would have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. For a good person to do a bad thing. That takes religion! ☮️
Sorry I'm late to the party, just subscribed. I really don't believe that the poor child was kidnapped and held; that letter sounds like a sick pervert's fantasy. Of course it's possible that she was kidnapped and still alive, I hope so, but in reality, that's unlikely and statistically speaking extremely rare.
@Harry Bush I didn't use the word unprecedented. I said statistically speaking very rare and it is. Just think about it. How many actual incidents of children who are kidnapped and come home alive have you heard of? I can count them on one hand. Of course I hope she's still alive but the bottom line is it's far more likely she's deceased, likely she got lost and died in the woods.
The story of the 2 ladies touched my heart and set off the tears. It's so sweet after all those years she kept her promise. I am so happy for both of them. I can't have kids, and I have a goddaughter, and its an amazing honor.
I have three daughters and the thought of my child going missing breaks my heart. Tuck in your kids and kiss them goodnight, and remember there are many people out there that would do anything to be able to do the same.
After the broadcast, a viewer contacted the telecenter, believing that one of his students was Nyleen. However, when police went to her house, it was discovered that she was actually another missing child, Monica Bonilla. She had been abducted by her father several years earlier. Shortly after the discovery, she was reunited with her mother. In 1998, investigators looked into the possibility that a nineteen-year-old Oklahoma woman calling herself "Helena" was Nyleen. She was taken to an Oklahoma hospital to give birth. She was evasive when the staff asked questions about her past. One of the them later saw a reairing of the broadcast and suspected that she may have been Nyleen. She remembered little of her childhood and believed that her mother's name was Nyleen. She agreed to have her blood tested and compared to that of Nyleen's parents. It is not known what the test results revealed. Sadly, Nyleen's disappearance remains a mystery. Nancy was raped and murdered in Mexico in 1995. It is not known if her death is connected to Nyleen's disappearance. If Nyleen is still alive, she would now be forty-one.
Did you see the episode on the death of Robert derschell where the police concluded he shot himself with a shotgun by pulling the trigger with his big toe?
@@mariastewart9820 He's a character in the Mr Men Books by Roger Hargreaves. Very long arms, prone to tickling people-he'd get done these days for sexual harassment!
I know this happened a long time ago but Norman’s mother and father exuded a high level of intelligence in every word and gesture. And that cop ... he was lying through his teeth: watch his eyes and the corners of his mouth as he spews his memorized words, not written by himself.
I think Norman's death was very suspicious, not suicide. His family seemed so nice and he seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. Hope his mom gets peace, I believe she is on facebook and still lives in Mississippi.
Probably unpopular, but I don't think Nyleen was abducted. She attended a picnic in a remote section of the Elkhorn Mountains. They were there with several members of a radio club that her father was a member of. I find it hard to believe that a random abductor would have been out in that area, who could not only have zeroed in on Nyleen, but also made it out of the area undetected. I think she wandered off and died of exposure and that the letters and phone calls, which all originated from the same area, were cruel hoaxes.
Apparently, you’re living in a bubble. Wake up! Predators target the most vulnerable (particularly children) in seemingly safe areas. It was a crime of opportunity.
@@MyKali2009 Answr me this. Why did none of the other adults see the man in the jogging suit? How was he able to get into this event, (which was invitation only, by the way)and move around without anybody noticing anything suspicious? How did he get her out of such a remote section of the Elkhorn mountains SO easily? He would had to have known the area VERY well to have escaped with a child, completely undetected. This would had to have been planned out extremely well with at least one other person helping him. Which, yes, could have happened, but, again, nobody saw a second person.And…why would someone be seen with a child in broad daylight in front of many witnesses (all the other children) if they planned on abducting them? And to circle back to the first question, was this person so elusive that he knew how to drift in and out of events where there would be kids and adults present and only be seen by the kids? Too much about this never added up
@@montecarlo4294 Hey buddy, I just wanted to say, I 100% agree with you. I don't know the area she was lost in but its way more likely she got lost than someone having abducting her and making out it out unseen. People in here, just think child abductors are hiding out in national parks, hoping for some unsupervised kids to show up. Its ridiculous! I said the exact same thing you did. How was the man in the jogging suit not seen by any other adults but apparently some kids saw him? Only explanation is that kids are highly amenable to suggestion and manipulation.
Nyleen Kay Briscoe, the little girl who disappeared, at the picnic has never been found. Her mother, Nancy, was murdered in Mexico in 1995. So sad all around.
I'm so sorry for those twin girls and that wife. my kids have 2 dads - their biological 1 that left when they were 3 and 18 months and their adopted one that abused them and then left us destitute. So they still have 2 dads alive, but 0 dads in their life!
Thanks For Another Great Episode Of Unsolved Mysteries With Robert Stack It's Back Norman's Death Was Definitely Not A Suicide He Was Murdered Because He Saw Something That He Shouldn't Have Seen Probably Drug Smuggling Or Drug Transporting In The Area And They Felt Norman Was Gonna Go To The F.B.I And The Authorities And They Had To Kill Him Point Blank
I very much agree. The letter reads out some kind of pedophile's dream. It is now theorized that she got lost in the wilderness and fell victim to the elements or attacked by a wild animal.
I know this is kinda beside the point, but the recreations in UM were so good, esp in the earlier seasons. Well acted and they looked great too. The shot at 6:37 looks almost painterly
Ol’ Lumpy was arrested in a raid on a dog fighting venue along with thirty-six others in 1991, just two years after Norman Ladner’s death. He was rumored to have worked for the Dixie Mafia. He died in 2007 at the age of 58. May he rest in piss.
Also how did Norman hold the long rifle to one temple and have the bullet exit his other temple? How long are his arms to fire a rifle at his own head from one side of himself??? and for him to fall backwards and hit the very top of his on a stump?
16:20 So you're saying you screwed up by not having it declared an accident when you had the chance? Can't argue with you there, it was pretty stupid. Now thanks to that bullet his parents know you're complicit in this and not just incompetent.
If Johann Hadwiger built it, it is still a miracle because he arrived at the church exactly on the nineth day of the Novena prayers. Then, nobody saw where he slept when he was not building the stairs for all those months. No one saw him eat anywhere or buy anything in that town. He left without charging for his work. This is a miracle either way.
I am from Picayune, Ms. My mother went to school with Norman. You can ask every body in my town that knows about Norman's death and the only people that will say it was suicide is anyone that was on good terms with Sheriff Lumpkin. Everyone else has no doubt it was a murder, and to this day so many have no doubt that Sheriff Lumpkin, knew more than he let on. They only kind of sheriff that would refuse to do an investigate to bring justice to an innocent person.....is a sheriff that is hiding something.
Also this: Norman's wallet was empty when they found his body but...
Not long after Norman's death his ID was found in New York.
It wasn't suicide, plan and simple.
Who knows maybe the sheriff is/was on the drug dealers payroll that would explain a lot, wouldn't be the first time that a cop took bribes.
@@iTsEfFiNsTePhh That sheriff was a part of the Dixie Mafia most likely
That sheriff is crooked. Something is obviously up when they were ignoring evidence and stuff, sloppy investigation.
Norman put the rifle down to pee and a deer picked it up and shot him.......self defense.
Plus cops always want the case “closed” so they don’t want to investigate something they don’t have to it’s a shame
I just wanted to give Norman's mom a big hug. She was so passionate about finding her son's killer. My heart broke for her.
She and her husband really carried Norman Jr.‘s legacy.
Sadly, they both passed away without ever learning the truth.
@@SulliMike23When did his mother pass?
I'm used to DAs and shady cops busting the wrong guy but It's just crazy how quickly crappy cops write off deaths as self inflicted and ignore family saying IT'S NOT
I know with 120% certainty some friends and myself wouldn't off themselves, I don't care how bad it gets besides euthanasia it's comical to be told that with some people
I love living haha, I've had some really bad times but I look forward to life, I want to read stormlight 10 in 20 years, see the and of one piece
You can absolutely be certain if someone wouldn't self delete, same as you can know people with mental health issues are at risk
she seemed kinda odd imo?
It's pretty cool to read the comments on Unsolved Mysteries. No one for the most part is being a jerk. It's mostly people sharing stories, updates on cases, and condolences. People simply being kind, thoughtful, and truly interested. All you folks out there being like that; please, never change. The world needs you.
You obviously didnt read em all or watch other episodes lol
@@alli-kat2329 lol well first off I never said I read them all. I said for the most part. But I honestly feel bad for you. When you get to that other side of individuality you will realize how much wasted time was spent reacting instead of responding.
@@karenlm9062 lmao whatever you reckon KAREN! 🤣🤣🤣
@@alli-kat2329 You obviously have no life so you have to try and make others feel as bad as your mom did the day she found out she was pregnant for you💯💀
@@alli-kat2329You’re a real “glass half empty” type, huh? 🙄
Norman's mother has the kind of grace and poise that I hope I'm able to have someday. Her voice was so pretty, it sounded like a paid narrator.
It's pretty obvious that Norman was murdered. His dad passed away in 2003. His Mom and siblings still search for answers. 30 years later.
Norman grew up in a family familiar with firearms. Suicide by rifle in the manner alleged may be possible, but very hard to do. Usually, suicide by long gun involves placing the muzzle under the jaw. The fact that the bullet exited his skull strongly implies something more powerful than a .22 LR, as this round is known to bounce around inside the skull. A rifle using a cartridge powerful enough to exit the skull would probably be heavy enough to be hard to hold steady in the manner described, especially for someone his age.
The bullet found should have been tested for the tissue on it,& dna.
Ed Turner stfu Ed 🤫
It's Mississippi. Our local governmental entities are generally the criminals here. There are some legit ones but far and few between. We have a "good ole boy system" that system is every race etc. Most of the drug dealers are working for our through government entities. The police arrest the "rivals" only. It's been this way for generations. Hence why we call this the dirty south.
Norman was murdered. The police are either corrupt or to lazy to find the truth. Sad and pathetic. I hope the family finds the truth and has closure. Rip norman
I read more into the Norman case. The sheriff was later arrested for dog fighting and other illegal activities. He died in 2007. I think the sheriff and law enforcement around there were probably involved in some illegal activity and drug cartels. Sadly Norman probably stumbled on their operations and was killed cause he was a witness. This explains why the case was quickly closed and his death ruled a suicide.
Great show
dog fighting... what a piece of work.
Norman's death was a cover-up, for sure. I just feel horrible for his parents.
Omg! Thanks for sharing
Casts even more doubt on his credibility. His arguments for suicide were extremely weak at best. If you can't even prove Norman's own gun killed him, you can't prove suicide period.
The Norman Ladner segment is so hard to watch. He seemed like such a sweet kid and it's clear his parents adored him. His poor mother especially just seemed so heartbroken talking about him. Just an all around tragedy.
Murder is a tragedy
@@Yahweh-dn9cvso is suicide
@@OikPoinFive if you believe that suicide nonsense,you must be as whacked out as bumpkin lumpkin
That segment with Niki and Charita was very heartwarming.
If you look at Kennedy (the little girl) on Facebook you’ll find her mom on her friends list and it looks like charita isn’t part of their lives anymore
@@stephaniegreen826 maybe she doesn't have fb !
@@stephaniegreen826 this was 30 years ago and she may have beat her cancer but it could have returned. Maybe she passed away
I often wonder when I see these old episodes that are more than 30 years old, if any of these people are still living and how they have been doing over the decades.
That “try not to cry - cry a lot” meme is perfect for it.
Strange Update in the first case of Norman Ladner who police ruled committed suicide in the woods on his property.....about a year or so after this aired Norman Ladner wallet and license was found on the side of the road in NEW YORK!! very very strange. How the hell did his wallet get to NY when he lived in Mississippi??
well obviously after norman shot himself some wild animal came by and attracted by the scent of the leather picked it up had it in its mouth when struck by a car on the local highway. then the wallet became lodged in the wheelwell until the car got to new York and hit a pothole because new York has bad roads. there is no indication to the contrary therefore no reason to reopen the case.
@@gristamshackleford2102 I don't know about that. I think it's most likely that a vortex was created the moment Norman shot himself and it sucked in his wallet and deposited it in NY in the future.
Either way, since there is nothing to specifically indicate that a person left it there, we can safely rule that out entirely.
@Jewel Clark Exactly!
gristam shackleford lol
@@gristamshackleford2102 LOL. Sure. Maybe the wild animal got a role on broadway, that's just about as realistic as your nonsense.
I feel like Norman's case should be opened again and relooked at. I'm so sad for him and his family.
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I’m his neice and we just decided not to reopen the case
@@Lissi07 Norman was your uncle?
Oops I meant I’m his niece I wasn’t paying attention sorry
Yes he was murdered. Wtf. Corrupt or stupid police
I love watching older videos. It reminds me of when humans looked like humans and didn't live on Instagram.
What do humans look like now
I agree. People were much more beautiful back in the day when everything was more natural.
@@judethaddeus9856 losers, like you
Lol ikr
Just head to your local Walmart. You'll find plenty of "real" people who have never even heard of instagram.
The Norman case seems shady. Suicide or accident can't be completely ruled out but what i dont like is that the Sherriff didn't even bother to have an Investigation. Terrible police work. Imagine having to find the bullet yourself instead of police making an effort?! Local authorities didn't think the device in the woods was suspicious? Their incompetence is suspicious.
Fact
They had evidence that didn't fit there theory. So rather than change their theory they ignore the evidence
Indirect involvement in the “suicide”,no doubt
Sheriff was probably on the take of the Dixie Mafia.
If was an obvious suicide then no need for investigation. From what I've seen on UM looks very shady but afterall it is a TV show they have to make it interesting
Never go into the woods alone. See something suspicious, run the other way as quiet as possible.
😂🤣😂
Unless someone sneaks up on you first, as was depicted on Unsolved Mysteries.
The poor kid was on his family’s land, he was at home. He thought he was safe.
That sequence where the guy snuck up on Norman scared the hell out of me as a kid. I think I was 12 or so when this originally aired. It's still creepy.
@@Biggy9erIt would be pretty hard to "sneak- up" on somebody-out in the woods.
I've seen that staircase. It is gorgeous.
TutorJuls Lee Does it still exists today.
i seen it too. it looked like it was built yesterday.
Yes
Yes. The staircase is still up today. No one can go up the staircase though.
But god doesn’t like pagan Catholic Churches. You think he made it
Sadly, Norman's father passed away in 2003. His mother and siblings are still searching for answers.
@Jewel Clark that applies for they system in Auz, the cops work for the state its all cover up.
@Jewel Clark
Im afraid you are totally correct in your theory.
His own son’s death probably shed some years off of him. 💔
How do you know so much about these cases??? I see your comments on almost every episode of UM! :/
You're weird.
edie ann V hey; got"s any pix!!??
Its really sad that trucker was killed while making a call to his wife and kids all for 25 $ people are so evil
Crackheads have no souls.
Ive seen people killed for a LOT less - and they werent on drugs or anything.
@@lauriegagnon You are missing the point papsmear. ITs evil to kill anyone - but I would rather be killed for a lot of money, rather than 25 cents. Then again, your azz isnt even worth that much so...
@@lauriegagnon Took you 2 months to reply, and thats the best you could think of?
Yeah that’s scary…and super sad
Norman's mother is so full of poise.
Yes and she has the voice of an Angel
She reminds me of Sally Fields for some reason. In terms of both looks and sound that is.
She is one of the most determined women I have ever seen. I feel so bad for them.
She has the spirit of gentleness.
Poor Norman , so young and such a lovely family. Think he saw something he shouldn’t have .
Definitely not suicide.
That's what happened when Norman decides to be a nosey ass lil boy SMH. He should've ran home
@@janiselopez9793 are you on drugs?
pony boy no. But he needs to mind his own business and keep out. Norman should've went home. That's why he was killed. He knew too much
@@janiselopez9793 How would you know?
The second story of naming her Charita brought tears to my eyes. 😢😢 blessings to Charita and her God daughter and to all family involved. ❤❤❤😍
The spiral staircase is such a beautiful story. What are the chances that the nuns would pray to St Joseph for a capable carpenter, then a MASTER carpenter shows up! This mans grandfather was obviously a very talented woodworker. I believe he is the man who built the staircase. God works in such mysterious ways...
Their wikipedia page, with Mary Jean Cook being the person, who said another carpenter built the staircase!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretto_Chapel
In 2014, I drove from Denver down to Santa Fe to see The Church of Loreto and it is beautiful. There is a reverence and holiness in this church.
@@heathermetz6576 I would love to go one day. I love places where you can literally feel the magnificence of God.
@ericasuzannedavis u pretty//very. Single too? Two?
Norman was definitely murdered, It breaks me that their parents had to live with that, I'm so sorry that any parents have to go through this, I hope they get the justice that they deserve even if they have perished.
"The Spiral Staircase" is a beautiful movie about this story of Miracle Staircase. Barbara Hershey plays a nun. Love it!
Its called "The Staircase". The Spiral Staircase is a film noir from the 1940´s.
I could listen to Bob Stack all day long. I think every psychiatrist should prescribe a recording of Robert Stacks voice for anxiety patients.
There will never ever be another one like Robert Stack💯✌
I play unsolved mysteries every night to fall asleep to.
@@Sabbathissaturday same
He goes by Robert Stack, dipshìt.
@@RaZeRbLaDeZ lol. Ok.
Norman was murdered!!! point blank!
Maybe he put down the rifle to pee and a deer picked it up and shot him....in that case it's self defense😂
Eh he could have fell out of a tree his gun was snapped in half
The detective is so cold
But why?, what was the motive
@@thediariesofshannanicole3774 Seems like they are scared and know what happened or they have been paid to look the other way. They should be required to investigate under those circumstances. So frustrating for the parents.
It is sad to know that some of these crimes are still unsolved after so many years.
I feel sorry for that Trucker killed for $25. He had twin daughters.
I feel so sorry for him. They got muover $25. No amount of money is worth taking somebody's life.
Hookers are a risky business.
How do these families carry on not knowing what has happened to their little ones? So brave.
I really don’t get it and I just pray and hope I don’t experience it 😞
Satanists sacrifice their children to Bael or the Devil
It's torture, they need closure
It's not brave to go through a tragedy. It's absurd to glorify these people's deepest pain .
My heart breaks for those twin girls lost their dad so young and senselessly!
Norman's mom is a real lady! I am surprised to see her speaking in such a soft voice, her gestures so feminine, striving to continue talking despite the lump in her throat and emotions invading her at that moment ... poor lady ... she still lives?
Someone posted she still is alive. His dad died a few years back.
She seems so lovely, I bet she is a wonderful mum.
@Activator Don I highly doubt he was trying to offend anyone. I took it as a compliment to her grace and character during such an excruciating time.
She was so poised and showed so much grace. Her voice is beautiful.
She came across as an actress somehow.?
This show ALWAYS scared me but I still liked watching it, especially at night!! Too bad these type of shows are no longer made, everything is "staged" reality
I feel for Mrs. Charlette Ladner - given the interview, to me Mrs. Ladner was one of, if not the most - articulate, sincerest of people to give testimony in the history of the program. I feel if the Ladners believed their son committed suicide, then as his mother, Mrs. Ladner would have spent the rest of her life to prevent teen suicides; but as it stands, by her husband’s word, Norman Ladner was not unhappy or depressed. So it would be natural for her to advocate for her son’s justice. This event has too many questions, and death ruled by suicide, in my opinion, is not an option.
I only vote this down, for the reason, you are right and I know we can agree that nobody wants to be right about a coverup like this.
She's got such soft, sweet energy. I bet she was a super mom. You know she just adored her son and my heart always breaks for her.
That's a sad segment because I would hate for someone just to label a family member of mine a suicide when I know they was murdered to cover up something
The first case reminded me a lot of the Boys on the Tracks case in Arkansas. I feel like all 3 of those boys saw something that they shouldn't have.
I thought exactly the same thing
Yes. I agree
Cops are strongly though to be involved in that case and that's why they got it got ruled an accident. I feel that's what happened here.
The boys in Bryant seen bill Clinton smuggling cocaine and got killed for it
@@tylerdavis9957 This. ^^^
Poor Norman was most likely murdered when he witnessed an elaborate drug deal in the forest, which is very scary on its own. Add to it the fact some of these investigators obviously tried to cover up the whole thing and you get one of the scariest segment ever seen on UM. That guy Lumpkin can't be trusted, and it's terrorizing to think detectives would lie blatantly to hide the existence of drug trafficking. Very scary stuff.
Jonathan Turbide Very strange ha Sounds quite familiar look at the murders of Don Henry and Kevin Ives for example. ruclips.net/video/vjTr2EfNyIE/видео.html
@@shawnlittle3091 Yep, great comment! Indeed there's plenty of similarities between these cases, and if I had to bet the house on it I'd say all three of them died for the same reason (they saw a major drug transaction in the forest, and were silenced by the traffickers). UM should have done a segment on how similar the cases are. 👍
Jonathan Turbide Yeah definitely again check those videos out under (carnage on ice ) is his RUclips channel and tell others.
Witnessing a “major” drug deal? How would they know its major? I doubt the risk is worth it. To take their crime that much higher to murder? Night time in a forest? How identifiable would their attributes be? The case will never be solved unless someone talks. Same with those poor young men who died on the train tracks (I think that’s the case you referenced). Robbery is a strong motive. I’ve heard a startling quote about robbery/homicide. What’s the difference between a robbery and a murder? A breath.
Iam most scared of the blind river murders ...
1st case: that stranger coming up to the mom was a warning. Prob sent by that Sheriff. His shadyness is so obvious.
ya I thought they were maybe abit loony and lying about the bullet but when they found that equipment used by drug dealers the whole thing made sense. Those small town authorities are probably corrupted.
The sheriff knows exactly who murdered Norman and was possibly the very one that done it. I absolutely believe he come up on a drug drop. And or lick up. The sheriff is right in on it!!! ALL the way!
No, that sherrif is a coward, no way he killed that kid. He does know who did it and is scared, so he just ruled it as a suicide.
The age progression of Nyleen and the music scares the crap out of me
Ikr. Gives me the chills . Its fuckn erie. Somebody explain the uncannyness
I know! It's definitely one of those, "Never watch before bedtime" moments...
It's heartbreaking and horrifying at the same time.
It would be wonderful if nyleen was found alive..but in my gut i feel like shes gone and i think she's been gone since right after her disappearance
Anyone notice that a lot of these unsolved mysteries episodes are only because of police incompetence or police corruption?
Sad but true
It is true that some are truly incompetent, such as this one, where they immediately ruled it a suicide without even looking for a bullet.
@@lanceuppercut7203 exactly. It wouldn't be television worthy if they showed both sides. The cops and the DEA weren't interested in a radio beacon for large drug drops in the woods? Yeah sounds like bs to me.
Those "missing 411" stories are just as flawed, if not more. Ridiculous theories thought up by the victims' families and a writer of fictional novels.
Paranormal Witness was good for this reason - they also got the accounts from 3rd party witnesses like police and stuff who have no reason to lie about what they saw, and in fact are likely to face discrimination for coming out with their account of events.
Absolute police ignorance, so useless and easier to rule 'suicide' or 'accident'. Pisses me off
@@lanceuppercut7203 is it not obvious to you?
What beautiful women helping each other in childhood and keeping such a promise. Compassion is the most beautiful thung!
It felt weird seeing "teenager dies in the woods and was never brought to justice" and then seeing it go straight to "2 childhood friends who never saw each other for years are reunited"
I've actually *seen* that spiral staircase in person, while visiting Santa Fe. It's actually a pretty significant tourist attraction, and not at all far outside the center of town.
Okay I'm religious, and I believe in God. But I don't understand why the nuns were so disbelieving that this man's grandfather made the staircase. I mean it wasn't like he was out for money, or fame. Any comes from a long line of Carpenters. It always bugged me why they would think he would be lying!
Because they didn't want to believe it they wanted to believe God had something to do w the staircase not an actual human
@@ashleystein9926 ... the ironic part is God uses men to carry out his acts most of the time.
Maybe God put it in his heart to do it.. Jesus said give with your right hand , so your left hand doesn't know what it's doing.. Your riches are in heaven..
Nuns are liars! Takes one to know one! So be careful of accusing someone of lying, for you maybe looking in a mirror!
That bothered me as well.
The Sherrif is benefitting from the local drug trade and does not wish to implicate anyone in Norman's murder
the gov are the criminals.. great cover for the foolish people
@@jbloun911 yes they house safely most of the biggest psychopaths around
that's one freaking impressive staircase. I'm going to pray for 9 days and hope someone comes to my one room hovel and fixes my broken wood bed.
Good luck lol
;'( the norman one makes me cry because it reminds me of adam walsh may they both rest in peace god bless the families
myriah guyton they both look alike.
@@janiselopez9793 i never noticed that but yeah they do
Norman was killed on his property by a gun shop because he possibly saw something that people didn't want them to. Adam Walsh was abducted and decapitated by a serial killer. The two boys look alike but that's pretty much where the similarities end.
@@tekbarrier Exactly. The Adam Walsh case is horrific and heartbreaking. Normans death is tragic too, but both in different circumstances
Nikki Crowder where ever you are out there you are so sweet to remember your promise to your friend... Nikki Crowder you are a true friend... God bless you always.
Nikki Crowder you're a national treasure shows what we can learn from kids God bless you!
This story made me cry!!!
@@ladylacrimal8447 same!!
Nikki Crowder I'm looking at this again this is just such a beautiful story every time I Look at it.
That case always make me cry. What a sweet moment.
Wow they really killed that man over $25, just sick and pathetic...smh!!
When you’re an addict you’re not thinking or feeling
Wasn't $25 like $75 back then?
@@kidnplay3978 Yes it probably was, still ridiculous to kill someone over.
@@aarongray1981 Being an addict doesn't excuse it.
The cop who said "my feeling" regarding the young boy's death..total bullshit. Your job as a cop is supposed to rely on facts, not on your own gut feeling.
Amazing interesting Series (watching from start finish).
Thank you for uploading the Robert Stack episodes.
Watching + enjoying from NSW Australia 🌈🌝
The search for Nyleen led to the discovery of Monica Bonilla who had been abducted by her father
Unfortunately FilmRise left that segment out, but I remember it well. I think it aired later in the third season.
Never tell the mother of a murdered child to back down on finding out what happened to her child unless you wanna spur her on further because that is what is gonna happen
Exactly!!!
Gotta wonder who that was and what they knew.
Norman Ladner's fate seems eerily reminiscent of the "The Boys on the Tracks" in Bryant, Arkansas (Don Henry and Kevin Ives) in 1987.
Yes
They’re best friends in heaven. Kind of like jonbenet and the girl in Texas that Bob Jovi knew
I love when I get to an episode that entranced me as a kid. The mysterious staircase really captured my imagination.
This woman’s voice is soothing . Heartbreaking story 😔
When I was in grade school I had a friend that was shot on a hunting trip with some his family . We were told that he was shot on accident and was mistaken to be a dear ... I still think the story is poppycock. It was a Religious school, and he was most likely going to not end up with a wife ... if you catch my drift. He pops in my head once in a while, and my heart still hurts for him.
Robert Stack was a phenomonal actor & a class act!
Norman Ladner his case reminds me of the boys on the train tacks which we know today actually WAS a case of the kids stumbling on a drug pickup and were killed but the police say its not possible in any way well its happened before and it looked a lot like this
That little girl Nyleen was never found, and her family relocated to Japan in 1994. In 1995, Nyleen's mother, the one featured in the interview was murdered in Mexico, making for an even stranger Unsolved Mystery.
@Jewel Clark Unlikely.
@Jewel Clark It´s not even confirmed that Nyleen was abducted. The only person who claimed to see her with a man was another little girl whose testimony is highly dubious. So somehow, this person that abducted her child, if he even exists, then tracks down her Mom vacationing 12 years later in Mexico and kills her. I´d say its pretty close to impossible.
@@Romans8-9 She was abducted by a man in a jogging suit. Multiple people saw the man. She didn't just vanish into thin air, dummy.
@@christopherwalkinalloverya5824 A man wearing a jogging suit was allegedly seen in the area this day, and Marshall was seen speaking to him,[5] though it is unknown if he was involved.[1]
It´s not even confirmed that he abducted her. Supposedly some kids saw her talking to a man. How did no other adults see him? It´s more likely she got lost and died of exposure. Heaps of kids go missing and die getting lost in National Parks. Parents refuse to accept something so mundane happened to their kids so they look for something extra-ordinary like a kidnapping. Refusing to accept accidental death is a very common phenomenon. Especially in distraught parents.
@Jewel Clark
It's a possibility. I remember another woman named Kathleen on another video about Nyleen left a comment that she knew her mother while living in Tokyo. It's strange, why did they moved all the way to Tokyo, Japan and then her mother Nancy went all the way to Mexico?! Was it part of their jobs or something?
I've been at that Church. The stairs are incredible. What they didn't tell you is that the original did NOT have a hand rail. It was just 33 floating steps. The hand rail was added later because walking the steps was dangerous.
they act like they don't want to give anybody credit!!! but believe all kind of unproven myth!!!!
@@drewali7 If they don't create a "mystery", they wouldn't have a "show". :)
That man's Grandfather did that staircase. Who would come to the church (of all places) and lie?
did you also visit the statue of our lady peace, the statue has human hair that continues to grow on its own, they annually have it taken down to cut the hair and then they have a service while taking the statue throughout the churches for everyone to see. it is amazing . you have to actually go there to fully respect it. im not religeous but this one is certainly something paranormal. as for the commentators here they have no faith in a good god this is why our world is becoming what it is
Interesting, I didn’t see a handrail in the drawing.
Wow, Norman’s case is VERY similar to Don Henry and Kevin Ives in neighboring Arkansas just 2 years before.
Really don’t think it’s coincidence.
The Nyleen Kay Marshall case is scary, from the music to the age-progressed photos to the aftermath of the airing.
@Jewel Clark .. Where is your proof of this?
@Jewel Clark .. She was murdered in Mexico, no doubt about it. The US authorities advised Kim Marshall to not peruse a murder investigation by the Mexican authorities for several reasons, one them being the fact that they would never release her body to be returned back to the USA
@Jewel Clark But Why?
@@lmiller9178 Unsolved. After the broadcast, a viewer contacted the telecenter, believing that one of his students was Nyleen. However, when police went to her house, it was discovered that she was actually another missing child, Monica Bonilla. She had been abducted by her father several years earlier. Shortly after the discovery, she was reunited with her mother.
In August 1991, forty-two-year-old Richard James Wilson confessed to killing Nyleen and another woman. He had a 1984 conviction in Helena for sexually assaulting a minor. He also had a history of mental illness. He was held in jail for a week but was released after authorities stated they did not have enough evidence to charge him. It is not known if he is still considered a suspect in the case.
In 1995, Nancy was found dead in a Mexico City hotel room. At first, authorities ruled her death a suicide. However, the status of the case was later changed to "undetermined/under investigation". Kim, along with other family and friends, believe she was raped and murdered. It is not believed that her death had anything to do with Nyleen's disappearance.
In 1998, investigators looked into the possibility that a nineteen-year-old Oklahoma woman calling herself "Helena" was Nyleen. She was taken to a New Orleans hospital to give birth. She was evasive when the staff asked questions about her past. One of the them later saw a re-airing of the broadcast and suspected that she may have been Nyleen. She remembered little of her childhood and believed that her mother's name was Nyleen. She agreed to have her blood tested and compared to that of Nyleen's parents. It is not known what the test results revealed; however, it is believed that she was not a match.
Sadly, Nyleen's disappearance remains a mystery. If she is still alive, she would now be in her forties.
The guy who played the mysterious carpenter also played Brushy Bill Roberts in the Billy the Kid segment.
Thank you for posting all these episodes I love this show and I’m watching every single one! This version with Robert Stack is the original and still the best!
I love this show. Please do not delete this channel/show!
The channel is run by Film Wise who owns the rights to the show. So I doubt it will be deleted anytime soon.
I like how the nuns are skeptical of the most plausible explanation but ardently support the least plausible one
Religion, is a hell of a drug!!!
@@deathwishchrisreilly5194 it's funny how the nuns feel the need to believe it was a messenger of God religion is so phony
@@deathwishchrisreilly5194 you will see Jesus return
With our without religion you would have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. For a good person to do a bad thing. That takes religion!
☮️
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 We're still waiting for our true lord Robert Stack to arise.
Hail -Satan- Stack!
Sheriff Lumpkin needs a good waterboarding....im sure some answers would magically come to light
So sad about he Marshall family. Nyleen is still missing, and her mother was murdered in 1995.
😦 shocking
I read the mexico city police said it was suicide
@Jewel Clark i read that she was raped & murdered..smh
OMG, the poor family!
Did you guys read the letter, that guy was very sick, the guy who abducted the little girl.
@Vince Ferri.. You have no clue whether the letter writer abducted Nyleen Marshall or not
Sorry I'm late to the party, just subscribed. I really don't believe that the poor child was kidnapped and held; that letter sounds like a sick pervert's fantasy. Of course it's possible that she was kidnapped and still alive, I hope so, but in reality, that's unlikely and statistically speaking extremely rare.
@Harry Bush I didn't use the word unprecedented. I said statistically speaking very rare and it is. Just think about it. How many actual incidents of children who are kidnapped and come home alive have you heard of? I can count them on one hand. Of course I hope she's still alive but the bottom line is it's far more likely she's deceased, likely she got lost and died in the woods.
The story of the 2 ladies touched my heart and set off the tears. It's so sweet after all those years she kept her promise. I am so happy for both of them. I can't have kids, and I have a goddaughter, and its an amazing honor.
19:08 what an absolute treasure of a human being. I needed that after the first case. Thanks, Robert Stack.
I have three daughters and the thought of my child going missing breaks my heart. Tuck in your kids and kiss them goodnight, and remember there are many people out there that would do anything to be able to do the same.
You sound like an amazing dad ❤️
The mother was murdered in Mexico at 2004
After the broadcast, a viewer contacted the telecenter, believing that one of his students was Nyleen. However, when police went to her house, it was discovered that she was actually another missing child, Monica Bonilla. She had been abducted by her father several years earlier. Shortly after the discovery, she was reunited with her mother.
In 1998, investigators looked into the possibility that a nineteen-year-old Oklahoma woman calling herself "Helena" was Nyleen. She was taken to an Oklahoma hospital to give birth. She was evasive when the staff asked questions about her past. One of the them later saw a reairing of the broadcast and suspected that she may have been Nyleen. She remembered little of her childhood and believed that her mother's name was Nyleen. She agreed to have her blood tested and compared to that of Nyleen's parents. It is not known what the test results revealed.
Sadly, Nyleen's disappearance remains a mystery. Nancy was raped and murdered in Mexico in 1995. It is not known if her death is connected to Nyleen's disappearance. If Nyleen is still alive, she would now be forty-one.
How the hell can you shoot yourself through the head like that with a rifle? Did he have the arms of Mr Tickle??
right? They never even finger printed the gun, they ruled that out far too easily.
Did you see the episode on the death of Robert derschell where the police concluded he shot himself with a shotgun by pulling the trigger with his big toe?
@@funnybonesbuck1745 That’s an exception.
Mr. Tickle ???!! Omg,who is that ? 😂😂😂
@@mariastewart9820 He's a character in the Mr Men Books by Roger Hargreaves. Very long arms, prone to tickling people-he'd get done these days for sexual harassment!
I know this happened a long time ago but Norman’s mother and father exuded a high level of intelligence in every word and gesture. And that cop ... he was lying through his teeth: watch his eyes and the corners of his mouth as he spews his memorized words, not written by himself.
Like those Involved with Tupac and Biggie's Murders.
I love this show to the max thanks to the guy that made it
We need another show like this.
This show is my all time favorite.
Congratulations 🤡
Yup, killed himself with a rifle (eye roll)!
Ann no he did not. He was murdered!! He witness something bad. The drug dealers thought he was gonna snitch, so they killed Norman.
Ya how do you shoot through both temples with a rifle not plausible
@@janiselopez9793 Why do people such as yourself have such difficulty detecting sarcasm?
Ann yeah they said that same thing about Sherrif deputy Roger Craig of Dallas Texas but we know that was a lie.
Brittany Lopez I think she was saying that out of sarcasm.
I think Norman's death was very suspicious, not suicide. His family seemed so nice and he seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. Hope his mom gets peace, I believe she is on facebook and still lives in Mississippi.
That ending music creeps me out.
Probably unpopular, but I don't think Nyleen was abducted. She attended a picnic in a remote section of the Elkhorn Mountains. They were there with several members of a radio club that her father was a member of. I find it hard to believe that a random abductor would have been out in that area, who could not only have zeroed in on Nyleen, but also made it out of the area undetected. I think she wandered off and died of exposure and that the letters and phone calls, which all originated from the same area, were cruel hoaxes.
Your theory is definitely plausible.
Apparently, you’re living in a bubble. Wake up! Predators target the most vulnerable (particularly children) in seemingly safe areas. It was a crime of opportunity.
@@MyKali2009 Answr me this. Why did none of the other adults see the man in the jogging suit? How was he able to get into this event, (which was invitation only, by the way)and move around without anybody noticing anything suspicious? How did he get her out of such a remote section of the Elkhorn mountains SO easily? He would had to have known the area VERY well to have escaped with a child, completely undetected. This would had to have been planned out extremely well with at least one other person helping him. Which, yes, could have happened, but, again, nobody saw a second person.And…why would someone be seen with a child in broad daylight in front of many witnesses (all the other children) if they planned on abducting them? And to circle back to the first question, was this person so elusive that he knew how to drift in and out of events where there would be kids and adults present and only be seen by the kids? Too much about this never added up
@@montecarlo4294 Hey buddy, I just wanted to say, I 100% agree with you. I don't know the area she was lost in but its way more likely she got lost than someone having abducting her and making out it out unseen. People in here, just think child abductors are hiding out in national parks, hoping for some unsupervised kids to show up. Its ridiculous! I said the exact same thing you did. How was the man in the jogging suit not seen by any other adults but apparently some kids saw him? Only explanation is that kids are highly amenable to suggestion and manipulation.
No mention is made that the spiral staircase in Loretto Chapel originally did not have handrails. If you had a fear of heights ....
Nyleen Kay Briscoe, the little girl who disappeared, at the picnic has never been found. Her mother, Nancy, was murdered in Mexico in 1995. So sad all around.
I love the reunions. How wonderful! 🙂💕💞
Such a sad story about Nyleen. RIP to her mother, who was murdered in 1995.
I'm so sorry for those twin girls and that wife. my kids have 2 dads - their biological 1 that left when they were 3 and 18 months and their adopted one that abused them and then left us destitute. So they still have 2 dads alive, but 0 dads in their life!
That reunion touched me. ( Btw, if you pause and read the letter, you will scream in shock)
Why? I did get the chance to go back!
Thanks For Another Great Episode Of Unsolved Mysteries With Robert Stack It's Back Norman's Death Was Definitely Not A Suicide He Was Murdered Because He Saw Something That He Shouldn't Have Seen Probably Drug Smuggling Or Drug Transporting In The Area And They Felt Norman Was Gonna Go To The F.B.I And The Authorities And They Had To Kill Him Point Blank
Renee Brown exactly!! He would've snitched. Norman was killed because he was in the way of drug transfer
Norman was murdered and that "sheriff" Lumpkin knows it. Wonder if he and his pal themselves were the ones doing those shady business.
That age progression photo of Nyleen and the music is the stuff of nightmares.
That letter is fake and a sick joke.
I very much agree. The letter reads out some kind of pedophile's dream. It is now theorized that she got lost in the wilderness and fell victim to the elements or attacked by a wild animal.
Note to self - don’t watch this at night. It will still scare the shit out of you just like it did when you were a kid. 🤦🏻♀️
I know this is kinda beside the point, but the recreations in UM were so good, esp in the earlier seasons. Well acted and they looked great too. The shot at 6:37 looks almost painterly
So heart breaking..the story of young Norman. I hope they found their answers.
R.I.P..Norman.
Such a beautiful reunion between the two young ladies.xx
Ol’ Lumpy was arrested in a raid on a dog fighting venue along with thirty-six others in 1991, just two years after Norman Ladner’s death. He was rumored to have worked for the Dixie Mafia. He died in 2007 at the age of 58. May he rest in piss.
Damn right.
Also how did Norman hold the long rifle to one temple and have the bullet exit his other temple? How long are his arms to fire a rifle at his own head from one side of himself??? and for him to fall backwards and hit the very top of his on a stump?
45:00 whoa there Robert!...gotta love the 80’s
Lol ikr😏
What’s crazy is “special needs” sounds worse than “retarded” if you think about it.
16:20 So you're saying you screwed up by not having it declared an accident when you had the chance? Can't argue with you there, it was pretty stupid. Now thanks to that bullet his parents know you're complicit in this and not just incompetent.
what a show this was!
I feel so sorry for the widow and her twin girls who lost their father and husband so unnecessarily!
If Johann Hadwiger built it, it is still a miracle because he arrived at the church exactly on the nineth day of the Novena prayers. Then, nobody saw where he slept when he was not building the stairs for all those months. No one saw him eat anywhere or buy anything in that town. He left without charging for his work. This is a miracle either way.