The Most Misunderstood Guitar Neck Feature & Why Gibson Refuses To Use Them
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Original score: Electric Boogie Dawgs & Jim Jamm Jimmy
Artwork: Joy Kaminski & Paul Shellooe
That diamond volute on the back originated from a birds mouth joint. Kind of a double scarf joint. It looks really cool if you use two different woods. The tone is effing amazing when you do that. Just Googled it. Called a birds beak.
Best way would not cut that big ass truss pocket on the headstock !
I was thinking the same thing.
A spoke style wheel at the other end would make more sense.
“Break Angle” perfectly named
I had a 1971 ES-335 and I have 1972 ES-335 with a volute and I actually like them. The volute lets me feel where the end of the neck is without looking and it doesn't get in the way. My 1966 Melody Maker feels weird without the volute. The only person I know that had a broken Gibson had an SG Junior that someone SAT ON in the car! That was back in the day when he was so broke he couldn't afford a guitar case.
You nailed it at the end. Gibson sells that 1950s magic, and guitars back then didn't have them.
I imagine the volute will become more popular when some guitar players get famous playing vintage 80's Gibsons. People gravitate toward the gear of their heroes.
I don't like volutes, and have removed them from two non-Gibson guitars, as they got in the way of playing.
If the neck to headstock needs strengthening, use carbon rods, change the headstock angle,, put the truss rod access towards the other end of the neck, etc. But, don't make the guitar harder to play by adding a volute.
i wont lie, i like the volute, simply because i like the way it feels.
The C.F. Martin dart volute was originally a weird triangular mortise & tennon joint that was kind of sketchy. The raised diamond alligned the tennon and helped to strengthen the joint. I have worked on ONE in 44 years, so not very many survived, and I am 100% fine if I never work on another one.
I like the way you do yours - its the style I'm most used to seeing and looks very comfortable to the eye! Can't wait to finally get my hands on a challenger!!!
The volute comes from the first luthiers. Because the first luthiers were violin makers and violins have volutes. I've had a Gibson SG that I snapped the headstock off playing while drunk.
My Gibson Hummingbird currently has a broken headstock. Not completely broken off and I saw a used Gibson Hummingbird on Reverb this weekend with the same break. My Martin GPCPA4R headstock doesn't have a Volute but I feel it would take more to break a Martin headstock over a Gibson
I know someone who has a 1992 Les Paul Standard with a neck broken at the headstock. I remember that night in horror.
So - your chosen placement for the valute coincidentally puts maximum material at the point where it's likely to break, if the neck is abused...? Guess it's not all that cosmetic after all...? Personally - I'd always want a valute and especially a zero fret on a custom guitar.
yes, its both an aesthetic and strengthening feature.
you can step on the neck with your feet and it won't break.
i have done that.
I don't like the way volutes look, but if they help strengthen the neck I'm all for it. I have a Schecter guitar and it has a volute too.
Gibson used them in the 70's. Their customers don't want them.
I built one neck with a volute. It reminded me that I don’t like volutes 😂
have you seen the gibson AXIS volute that makes sense, as it runs up the back of the headstock.
You might want to consider the second moment of area, which will explain why a small dimensional change via a volute could make a proportionally greater increase in strength.
I think the guts of it is what you said at the end - Gibson don't do volutes because their golden era guitars did not.
I do believe it adds some extra strength, but certainly doesn't make them indestructible.
I do tend to believe the 70's laminated maple necks are much stronger.
Agree 100% on the pitch angle (but not classic Gibson, so they won't do it) - but if they went laminated mahogany on the neck it could go a long way to reducing headstock breakages.
Not sold on scarf joints though - might help, might not as I've seen failure at the joints too.
Having said all that - I do like volutes as an aesthetic choice.
my personal preference is the neck is more comfortable without one to me it's more for looks then anything. I use to know a guy that worked a Gibson I asked him why they don't use one he said "because they are stupid looking"
I’ve only heard of these volutes, I think only 2 of my guitars have them, doesn’t make a difference to me.
All of my 70s Gibson’s with mahogany necks and a volute have headstock repairs, my others do not. Not actually saying the votive makes them weaker, just maybe not stronger, or maybe just an unhappy coincidence
Um, you keep muting yourself Matt, buddy! Your mic keeps getting under your chin and muffles the sound. Maybe use your cell phone with a different style boom mic or bluetooth style mic above you? Either way I don't mind volutes. And YES - you are saying it correctly. Ignore all these fools that keep talking trash about how you say things like tenon and such. You do a great job! Thank you for sharing this with us.
What mic do you have clipped on ?
Balut,,, the egg with legs!
I like a volute for resting my thumb on while I'm chugging away like a caveman lol
Thanks For Sharing 🧠🎸🎶🎶✌️
Ive known svrl Gtr players that broke their Gibson headstock & in each and every case it was cos they laid their Gtr on a barstool & Oops_ if my Gtr is not in my hands its in a Gtr stand or its case _ i would Never take that chance _!!
I don't give a hoot for no big volute!
-Popeye! ;)
cobb dogs, now with balute!
Oh this video will be up on Sunday the 2nd??
What Gibson needs to use is a freaking scarf joint.
So you think more material doesn't mean more strength?
I don't give a hoot for no big volute!
-Popeye! ;)