Playing EU4 With NO DLCs Was A MISTAKE
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If you don't have any dlc Exploring is extremely painful since you need to move yor fleet manually if you want to do it
Also don't forget your fucking fleet in the middle of the ocean
@@naga2113 felt😢
@@naga2113 im pretty sure u get increased attrition without dlc cause when i used to play without i would lose half my fleet in the atlantic and the other half on the way back
@@trevor8726 yeah I loose all my fleet because of atrition
Fleets are super annoying without dlc. Having to manually delete and rebuild fleet with new ship versions is mega ludicrous.
25:55 "not a lot of interesting things on the map"
mouses over blue Scotland
I feel like that DLC's shouldn't add universal mechanics like upgrade his centers of trades or every quality of life feature option like for army etc... I feel like they must be here only to add content about specific country and mechanic about theses countries but not universal mechanics like that... They must be part of the base game... Idk if I'm the only one thinking that.
I don't event know if what I said make sense to you x)
But yeah, I don't like this DLC politic. I really don't mind features for countrys being part of DLC but it shouldn't be the case for universal mechanics...
its even worse now, because you get a notification to upgrade it even if you cant cos no dlc. I spent 25 minutes scratching my head just to learn you need DLC
I've been playing with no dlcs for around 900 hours since I got the game for free on epic and can't afford dlcs nor do I wanna get the subscription. Can say that it isn't that bad if you just never had the dlcs to compare to, you learn to play with the mechanics present in the base game and that's still very expansive and fun to learn. I've recently did a WC without dlcs and it wasn't too tedious. But ofc the dlcs would be massive game changers.
Embrace the black flag
Yo download it from a website with all the dlc for free
Used to be like you, then I went privateering and then did I buy the subscription. 10/10, can recommend
No offense, but that's like saying "Eating trash isn't that bad when you don't know real food". This is considering a lot of DLC mechanics should be in base game.
A pirate's life for me!
I'd like to see you play some nations aggressively like you just did in this run. Expand quickly and manage resources optimally. Maybe a 150 year challenge or something. Which nations? Maybe picked at random (excluding native nations). This type of game should have a name, like Domination. Or maybe the succession game, like Zlewikk did, changing nations on the same game every 50 years.
I agree
Random Succession could be fun:
1st pick nation as random and play for 50 years, then save.
For any next nation:
Open new game and pick nation at random, save it's name, then load your game from save and use console to change tags, play for next 50 years and save. If chosen nation doesn't exist in your save - you'll need to pick another one... only exclusions are those factions that are natural successors:
brandenburg and teutons can be played as Prussia, if it was formed
any minor russian prices can play as Russia, if if was formed
both Poland and Lithuania, can play as PLC, if it was formed
all Daymio's can play as Japan, if it was formed
Castile and Aragon can play as Spain, if it was formed
etc.
I played without dlcs for a very long time, so you can imagine the problems I would face when watching your guides! Luckily it wasnt that big of a difference for nations like austria and the old ottoman guide, first time I faces problems was with manchus, and you wanted me to play with the tribute-system and raise those special troops. Honestly, it kinda sucks that so much of the game is locked behind a massive paywall
On an unrelated but funny note, in my first eu4 campaign as ottomans I got the 8:52 message, about crusade. I came into eu4 from ck2 where crusades are kinda a big deal, so for a long time I didnt declare war on any european countries and played super passively💀
Dlc subscription is pretty cheap
imagine buying Paradox dlc´s and not having them all cracked
Yes its cheap for a short time. Eventually it gets expensive, eventually it would have been better to buy all dlcs and expansions.
I dont think its that controversial to say that you shouldnt have to buy so much content for it to work. Eu4 is fun but its not worth $300
@@Kris-lu1rs What bothers me is, DLC means downloadable content. But stuff like war reparations or dismiss a heir is barely content for me. Paradox deliberatly tries to make the game painful so people are halfway forced to get the DLCs at some point. Or you can't upgrade your ships, how stupid is that.
@@Kris-lu1rs it costs only a few euros per moth why would you add all of that up
It’s kind of crazy what is considered part of the free updates and what isn’t. Was surprised to see full mission trees, but not the quality of life stuff that isn’t actual mechanical changes.
I love your reactions when you realize just how many buttons are missing sometimes. I feel you, I have never played without DLC and everything just feels off
Very much dislike that so many simple QOL features like the macrobuilder and production buttons are missing without DLCs. Should be mechanics only...
Fascinating; thanks Red Hawk. I enjoyed that at around the 15:00 mark, you learn that Art of War (1.7, iirc) is absolutely ESSENTIAL to the game and really should just be in the base game. (Maybe it is now for people who buy the basic game?). Art of War, Common Sense, I would add the two DLCs for colonial. The rest? Not quite so essential. I've been on a 1.30 rollback, feeling that Emperor was a really cool DLC that, despite some initial problems, has proven necessary for HRE and Catholic campaigns. I do NOT like Leviathan with its "world wonders" (or monuments or whatever) and the general trend to pay-to-win-easy, though I did enjoy the African DLC a couple back. (And after I played what I wanted to there, rolled back to 1.30.) I will probably have to keep Domination on - it looks VERY game-changing - and thus will be caught up slightly against my will, but I guess I can just ignore the World Wonders and the Easy-Peasy missions that make the game too simple with power-creep rewards. Sorry for the long post; great vid.
Art of War and Common Sense are no longer mandatory, ever since 1.28 when transfer occupation and increase development moved to the base game. They're still really useful DLCs, adding things like government ranks (why he was missing the diplomat), war reps, declaring for vassal's claims, etc. But at least they FINALLY moved transfer occupation and devving the institution to the base game.
@@LibertyMonk Man, how isn't war reparations in the base game? Victoria II has it since AHD, and that was released 4 years before base EU4
@@LibertyMonk Thanks, wasn't quite sure what had been rolled in.
This is the biggest problem I have with paradox. The DLC's should not include quality of life features, just extra flavor and missions. QOL should be free in updates. The functionality of ships is a prime example.
i agrre. That's why i pirate the DLCs
I started playing in 2021 and just now started buying dlc since I haven't had money to spare up until now. Nowadays I buy one or two DLC every once in a while when I got some euros over at the end of the month. DLCs improve the game massively in my opinion. They add so much flavor especially in the diplomatic game.
Well, the Painful things without DLC to me are:
-No Vassal Interactions
and in late game:
Building up your 400 ship fleet every time manually and then selecting the provinces every time so combine the fleet as doing big square selection selects the army.
And most Importantly: Taking 4 years of sieging down a max level star fortress and getting that call for piece defuff after having captured a full 3 provinces so late game wars end at like 20%.
YES! YES! HE DID IT! HE ACTUALLY DID IT! No more requesting it for A to Z, I'm so happy! Thank you Red!
Testing updates must be so difficult. Who knows what combinations of dlc's people are using.
Hey, love your vids. Do you think that you will ever become an npc like you did as that one Arabian minor? Like, a side character who has to have the big guys dunk it out while helplessy being stackwiped, occupied and generally just useless?
I know you don’t like playing full games, but would you consider doing a shorter game play with a later start date to show some of the later age gameplay? I’d love to see how you would deal with the revolutionary aspects, and how that might change your goals or play style.
I have never played with any DLC either. Currently playing an ironman game. Started as Venice and formed Italy and I think that I can form Roman Empire before the end date. The game is really fun!
25:40 fun fact, Thessaloniki used to have a plurality of its population be Jewish for centuries right through until WW1, and they were a majority until the beginning of the 20th Century
You can't play 1.0 easily, but 1.4 (no ironman) is available in the steam beta list. That's when colonial nations were first introduced. I'm honestly glad nothing older than that is available.
This is basically the "rich mf is being humbled by simple ways" trope
It's a completely different game. I started the game like 3 Months ago, no dlc. Wanted to watch guides, more than half of them don't work cause of mechanics, features, missions and that Dont exist in the Bae game. I bought the dlc bundle and there was and still is just so much to learn.
Playing EU4 with NO DLCs Was a MISTAKE
Me, a mistake itself: 🗿🍷
Dont say that king keep you head up and focus 👑
@TheRedHawk
Developing a province was a DLC thing when i started playing. I've bought my Eu4 copy arround patch 1.18 (Prussia/Rigth's of Men) and was disapointed while playing as Poland and unable to develop any institution at all...
Common Sense was required to develop anything...
Not sure, when it was changed, but you could imagine me slowly waiting for instututions to spawn... so in order to spawn them quicker -> i've decided to march west and that game ended pretty weird with PLC guaranting ottomans, france and russia, dismantling HRE, who at that time was ruled by... France, which was an OPM somewhere in Westphalia... Allied with Great Britain, who controlled half of new world, with other half being controlled by Spain...who were under PU with PLC...and got integrated after 150+ years of integrating... so... realy weird game... to bad timeline was only a DLC thing back then, because it would be fun to watch it...
I just remember getting happy we got proper text placement on maps and getting sad at the new trade system from Divine Wind to EU4, those were simpler times. Nowadays people wont even look at the face of a country if doesnt have a 10 page MT.
Not complaining mind you its great! Screw simpler times give me more granular simular more finicking more flavor more missions more more more, thats why we play Grand Strategy babyyyyyyyyy
Dlc's really Shine for Colonial nations, very weak and small nations, the hre, and East Asia.
Try playing an OPM in the Middle East or the hre without DLC. THAT is hell.
Me who played without dlc for 700 hours : *PAIN*
And you should try on asia country near Ming, you will know that the possibilities of survive is not great.
Video 22 of asking for an Ireland guide (also turn no DLC into a series, I want to see you suffer through colonization)
So my friends decided to learn to play EU IV recently, but they asked to play with no DLCs... One decided to play Mongolia, other was Muscovy, I played Timurids, and my god was it painful to play...
honey, hawkjak just dropped!
Some countries are borderline unplayable without the DLC. Ming just implodes bc you can't get rid of bad heirs and Hordes can't raise provinces- the one mechanic that makes them so good...
How I feel everyday:
My man is experiencing the pain that us poverty ridden peasants must endure.
Pirate life
i’d love to see you try to colonize with no dlc as castile
The worst part about this video is that I learned that you use the macro builder for ships. Love having 4 heavies building in the same province xd
I think this would be much more painful if you were playing a smaller nation, or playing a nation which has most of their unique content removed (Ming/Manchu without Mandate of Heaven, for example). Not having access to a lot of the efficiency mechanics (reconquest with vassals, favors, exploit dev, etc…) will make starting small a LOT more painful. As well as playing to blob would be more painful, since you lose out on important age objectives for blobbing (no warscore cost, admin eff, do you even get absolutism at all?)
Without Art of War DLC there’s no league war, so anybody can be emperor as long as they’re christian, this also makes the reformation easier to stop or to spread as the “official religion” of the empire is whichever the emperor’s is and he can enforce their religion onto all the nations in the empire before 1550 (or whenever the league war should’ve triggered)
Crazy to think that the game is so huge that theres a list of DLC posted as a requirement at this point. I know it's been like that for years, but still.
I feel like having special mechanics and whatnot behind DLC is fine, makes sense, but gosh this made me realize just how many simple QoL things are kept behind DLC which is just utterly ridiculous.
Now try to upgrade your navy without DLC's
bro hordes cant raze provinces without dlc's and russia just gets a regular colonist instead of siberian frontier + mission trees practically dont exist (they are super small, but they are probably just generic ones, only few nations have their own mission tree) + oh yea i almost forgot u can barrage without dlc's so good luck winning with bizantium
Its mostly certain nations that suck without dlcs. Colonization and Exploration is much harder. I played in Africa without dlcs and would get absolutely trash heirs and have no way to disinherit them, and you really need the points in Africa. Not being able to provoke revolts in Africa sucked too. HRE and curia controller works a little different aswell.
What is Red Hawk's usual DLC setup?
"not many interesting things happening"
>scotland
"i do like playing with horses" says the man who murders a horse every campaign he starts :p
Welcome to my everyday eu4 experience 😅
The reconquest CB suprised me the most honestly
if you don't have the DLC just do it like Captain Jack
I bought the game and a few DLCs to support the devs but play as a pirate republic IRL so i can get the full experience
You had to truce break Mamluks at the end for that name placement
So, when are we getting Stellaris Pain?
No curry favors is brutal
I know steam let's you roll back the game. I just don't know how far back you can.
this is why i'm a proud pirate
Playing EU4 With NO DLCs Was A MISTAKE: And at the end of your video you recommend buying it without DLC, as is not a problem and the fun factor is very similar to the version with ALL dlc's. Shouldn't you change the title? ;) Anyway, thanks for your review!
If you play without DLC's using mods is a really good option.
Thanks from the perspective of someone who cant afford the dlc's ❤
If you haven't done it, point me to it if you have, but Patch 1.0 EU4 would be interesting
Which DLC would be the best? I am new to EU4
This is so much more complicated than ck3
still cant believe i only bought dlc after 1.3k hours lmao
Playing any paradox interactive games with no dlc💀
i play with no DLCs its really not that bad, moving ships and transporting troops is ass, but other than that its fine, i paid 7 bucks for the game, i just use console cheats when the AI tries to interfere with me too much, maybe try playing with cheats for fun one time
Please make a lets'play or some kind of regular game with many series with some interesting mod like Annadar or any else
EU4 the PAIN edition
Now play a hard nation without dlc
Help! I’m most of the way through the video and youtube says I’ve been watching for -9 minutes.
wait you can spawn institutions without dlcs?
Lmao this is how i play the game whenever i play it
the real flex is showing all 111 DLCs
Nice...now try to play an early version of EU4 💀
I'm new and have no clue how production works(I just build what it recommends lol) could someone explain what he means by "provinces that you can't make money from" and the choice of where to build production buildings? (like how the interface said +0 gold in one of them)
Watch playing tall guide
Honestly? I don't even want the Cossacks, I like the no favors system where you can call people in immediately
i like favor system because it adds more stuff you can do with your allies using favors.
like begging for manpower and ducats.
or even placing your dynasty for their heir.
he should play portugal without any DLCs
Playing byz with no dlc is horrible, they don't have any of the features to get them back on their feet
I don't think Ottomans were the right choice for this one, they are strong no matter what you do so you wouldn't miss many of the mechanics as much as with weaker countries. Just the lack of war reparation's already sounds extremely painful.
Title: Playing without DLC WAS A MISTAKE
Video: Kinda okay, not too bad
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Seriously though, DLC is important for specific runs. Anything outside Europe or a colonization game would really need DLC. Big nations inside Europe are probably fine and just missing some QOL.
Well that is what I Play usually😂😅
I’ve never played with any DLC so this is my normal💀
The horror you endure on a daily basis
Pirating is free and also moral.
@@shinyguy3766pirate but from where?
same
Bruuuh,
Biggest difference when I first got the game with no DLC and tried to play Castile was the exploration and colonization stuff. That is a real pain compared to the game with El Dorado.
I think you can do one thing that is stronger though. You used to be able to use fleet basing rights to extend your colonial range anyway.
It is not worth playing a naval nation anyway, since YOU CAN'T UPGRADE YOUR SHIPS, you have to build them everytime if you want them to be up to date. Really Pdx plays a shade game with stuff like that.
Yeah, when I started to play EU 4, I tried to colonize, see the pain it was, and immediately bought El Dorado XD
I play Portugal without DLC's and I think the exploring is not so bad. There are periods that there is not so much to do and you are waiting for manpower to recover (early Portugal is always short on manpower) and truces to expire and in those periods I think it is fun to discover the world.
The problem is that as a colonizer, your empire is spread all over the world. There is a lot to keep track of. Remember where the transport fleets are. Remember where the battle fleets are. Ferrying armies from South America to Africa and Asia and back because you can't have sizeable armies everywhere and you do need them everywhere to fight Inca's, Africans and the Asian empires. And the constant rebellions all over the world. And in between you need to rermember to periodically improve relations with the Spanish. My last game got wrecked because suddenly, after centuries of alliance, the Spanish backstabbed me. And for some reason they just slaughtered my armies. I have same military tech, better general, more troops, couple of quality ideas and still they just destroyed me. No idea why.
And without DLC's there are no trade companies, so everything in the old world is direct rule. So government capacity is a thing. There are still ideas that improve trade companies so those are a total waste of points. You still need to take them to get to the next.
Another thing: I believe that with some DLC you can instruct your allies to target some area in war. Without DLC you are totally dependent on the AI and AI allies are not very smart. Imagine you are playing Castile, you ally Austria and fight France and their minor allies. Now if Austria would ignore the minors and just attack France from one side and Castile attacks from the other side, it is not so difficult. But if the AI Austrians waste their time sieging dowm minor allies while the French invade Castile and destroy the Castillian armies, it does become difficult. You can't really coordinate. I guess that with DLC that is still far from perfect, but what I see on youtube suggests that it is better than without.
Despite how painful this was without the DLCs, it was actually quite fun to see you play a sorta normal campaign once in a while. I hope we see more of this in the future once Domination drops. You haven't streamed in a while, but I really liked seeing the VODs.
The PAIN moment is playing 1.1
Fun fact:
Increase development was a dlc feature in Common Sense
But later they made it a free feature
Not being able to disinherit heirs is ultra pain that you missed out on.
whats the point on playing a game where you cant kill babies?
Basically Eu4 but painful mode
Making your heir a general and then sending him into 15k stacks with 1k infantry is the strat
@@nrbmemes2414can't you just use a cog drown them
@@watermocules7735neither helps. The army dies, the general survives.
"Soyface Red Hawk isn't real, he can't hurt you"
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The difference is bigger when you play a small nation when you really need a feature. For example you want to use favours to break a relationship. Another deal is, if you want to blob hard, you can't upgrade your advisors, you only get level 3, and that's it. Means you miss out a lot of mana points. And on top of that you can't dismiss heirs at all, so if you get a bad one, you got to live with it. All this stuff adds up when you are a less powerful nations. Or when you are a mid size nation, getting war reps from the Ottos or France will carry your economy for the next 10 years.
What bothers me the most, those things are barly content, but Pdx does it deliberatly, so you can't follow many guides and you feel somewhat forced to get the DLCs or the Sub at some point.
One thing that I saw was common was declaring wars for your vassals claims which you can’t do without dlc making a lot of guides that used this tactic useless
Also some countries aren’t enjoyable to play without dlc like Russia because they can’t Siberian colonize, and all the mechanics to help you convert the Sunnis.
It sucks that a lot of DLCs have about 1 or 2 pretty good features and the rest being fluff you probably won't miss. It'd be nice if you could mix and match what features you want.
@@hyperion3145 Well, they know how to make money, that's why.
You can upgrade advisors? damn i learn new things about this game every day
Now try a Horde without razing provinces. ;)
Try Ming when you have heir with not enough legitimacy, you can't do anything about it, and you just die to rebels.
So the farthest you can go back without a DVD is 1.9.2, which is the last patch for Art of War. I would be interested to see you play that one, if only because I think that was both the old rebel system, and before the current fort system. Forts in every province? Pain. You need a code to access it in the BETAs which is EU4R2JvakDKTJ8Cn
Deving was a dlc only thing but it became so integral to future updates that it was pushed to the vanilla game. You still can't dev in subjects without the dlc though (forgot which one adds it)
Yeah, Common Sense changed Base Tax to Development, and back then buying dev wasn't mandatory. Then Rights of Man dropped and added Institutions to replace Westernization. Now developing institutions was how you removed tech cost penalties. It took them 9 major patches before they added it to the base game.
@@LibertyMonk Progress(?) At least with CK3 and more recent updates for EU4 they're a lot better about that sort of stuff, but still...
Devving is from the Cossacks if I’m not mistaken.
@@zoetje9817 Nah it was introduced in Common Sense (which made it pretty much a must buy dlc at the time), but a little later down the line they decided to add devving into the base game, because devving became essential.
Cossacks added diplomatic options such as province of interests, as well as public attitude and other QoL stuff.
@@terrypennington2519 Apologies, you’re right.
in total war Warhammer its a common challenge to play skaven with no dlcs, as basically all their good units are in the dlcs
I was wondering if there are other strategy games where playing with no dlcs is a challenge
at least skaven have their basic mechanics for free
Victoria II without DLCs is like playing a browser game.
Bruh no weapon teams what do you even get? Moulder units, that’s it?
@@LOL-zu1zr moulder, eshin and skryre are dlcs
only pestilence and mors are base game and rictus are free dlc
you do get rat ogres and globadiers tho
I once tried to play Landshut into Bavaria, while following your guide. However without DLCs, you get coalitioned immediately after PUing the other two minors
Wow someone just took out 2 counts, this is a threat to stability of europe😂
what do the dlcs change about that?
@@unevilGenius improve with enraged countries, I think
I did the same and it ended up fine, I even went after the rest of then pretty quickly
My first campaign was vanilla eu4 as the ottomans. Increased autonomy everywhere to keep rebels away and had no idea why i didn't have reconquest cb to vassal feed like everyone said
Dude, I just got DLCs the other day and it’s a completely different experience for me now. I can actually make an empire now. Now I know why the game was completely ridiculous and impossible for me before.
Why not ask Mr. Paradox for his blessing to play the first version?
Red hawk doesn't know about the community demand to add development and transfer occupation getting added to the base game
Got all the DLC's from humble bundle for £20🗿
(Thanks Red Hawk)
I've waited half of this video to see your reaction on the lack of subject's reconquest CB :)
For the first month I had the game, I played exactly like this before I gave up and got the subscription.
I just pirate because i have common sense.
@@shinyguy3766 I lack technical skills, but I don't lack $5.
I'd love to see a longer, a bit more serious campaign from you at least once, split over a couple of episodes of course. We've all seen and played 1444-1600 a million times, but many don't realize they're missing out on half the game. Maybe encountering some new struggles along the way, optimizing your idea groups which leads to things you never do etc (quantity and trade are illegal ;)) and it's always fun to see people outside their comfort zone. Doesn't need to be a WC since that's a boring grind, but perhaps as an OPM or some more challenging start, become military hegemon or conquer some key cities around the world, reach 10k dev, conquer all of Europe and Asia, reach the end date of the game - something like that
I love how he didn't even react to AI France owning the whole of Scotland while England remained untouched
I feel like AI France is particularly interested in Scotland in most vanilla games. I always see them allied, in a PU, or some other weird shenanigans.
Does anyone know what to do if your cursor is missing in game? Mine disappears ingame and I thought everyone had this issue but apparently not. I've tried tons of stuff but I don't know how to fix it. Can anyone help?
It’s just when I tab out to press record