BATRA’S BURNING QUESTIONS: Is there value in the 42% growth in Canada’s public service in 9 years ?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Over the nine years of the Justin Trudeau Liberal government the Canada civil service has seen a massive growth. Sun Editor-in-Chief Adrienne Batra talks with political columnists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein about whether we are getting good value for the money. What kind of choices would Pierre Poilievre make?
Trudeau has to go, worst Prime Minister ever.
The worst prime Minister in the history of ever
Ever!!!!!!
Hiring DEI managers is a total waste of taxpayer money.
It's ridiculous. However, if Pollievre is elected, I would hope, there'll be a 42% reduction in " services ".
MAKE IT 50% - JUST TO BE SURE...
Many services are Socialist hand outs and special interest projects. These should not be funded with taxpayers money
Not likely. How will they service the influx of immigrants?
60%
Services most may not use? You can't use dental coverage, its only for seniors and kids. Many of the services are outside the scope of an adult.
42% more employees. The PM and MP's give themselves a big raise and bonuses. Yet services are worse, wait times increase, quality of service is worse. The people in charge are more inept and cannot do the job. Corruption and theft of more tax payer dollars is rampant. And the RCMP is doing nothing to curtail this.
So true and it needs to stop ✋️. The sooner the better !!
It makes me want to puke. Let's not forget they are also so hard done by because they now have to "go to work" a couple of days a week.
Everytime I hear about government workers' strike: wah wah we want more money but don't wanna go to work
Does Canada's infrastructure allow everyone on the roads 5 days/week? Why everyone's joining BRI-BRICS, CGTN The Point-Hub-Heat, Shanghai Eye, RT International-Telasur-Middle East Eye-Aljazeera-TRT World
But no proper increase of hospitals, fire stations, transit , power plants etc…. More population but less infrastructure to support it. Just more administration inefficiency and bureaucracy. Crazy…
I have a good buddy who managed to get himself hired on with the fire department. Whenever I speak to him, he's either on a paid vacation or about to take one.
It seems like he gets more days off than he spends working. It's not his fault. This is how the system is set up.
The taxpayers keep getting squeezed to pay for all these levels of government employees' wages and benefits.
@@-Ordinary-Average-Guy Yes, however firefighters have a physical and mentally demanding career! They have to maintain their fitness and there are more than enough jobs to do in the fire service! I don't mind that they can take a Vacation because they have to recharge their mental health too. Many of them are Firefighter Pharmedics so the stresses of seeing disasters and feeling helpless when you cannot save someone's life is very heart breaking and takes a lot of therapy to work your way out of a depression!
I got one give these necessary services a salute because we need them in times of crises and these are truly the last line of defence! Thank God for all these young men and women that have dedicated their lives to serve in this service which includes nurses doctors and care givers!
its a hire to over see the last bunch of losers they hired. its so they can say they have some one over see " it'
Yes however, your statement also crosses jurisdictional lines. Just because the feds would take that money, give it to the provinces and municipalities, doesn’t mean it’s going to go to that infrastructure. This is why I’m opposed to tax increases, at all. There’s never a legitimate reason.
@@-Ordinary-Average-Guymeanwhile those who work in the hospital get barely 2 weeks.
I have worked here since I was 15 year old, I turn 65 next spring and just found out my old age pension is $717 per month. I am pissed as I have paid more taxes than the average Canadian and a shit load more than any so called migrant.
I’m with you my first job at 14 yrs. The Canadian pension has been in my eyes stolen away. I live at poverty level. Now he wants seniors to give up our homes for the generations coming up. Makes sick to my stomach.
I started working at 14 as well, turned self-employed at 28, I'm 62, and my pension will be 359.
Makes you want to puke
@@user-yj3fb7db1x I can't even sell out now to fund my retirement as the gov will take 66.7% of my farm. I worked and built a company which I sold in order to fund this farm (used my capital gains exemption to buy this farm). Plus paid $170k in taxes one shot now they want the rest and I can't afford to go fishing.
@@lisaboyd880 Thank god for these politicians who get the great pension plan as they have done so much to help us; they are totall crooks.
This government is paying you back $62 a day after you and your employer have paid into CPP all of your working life. The “Refugees” get $225 a day and free accommodations on top of that having paid NOTHING into the system. Sounds real fair does it not.
Absolutely Zero Value out of this increase in Public servants!
Were paying more and not getting any value out of it! 😕
No to both of those questions. Things have got so much worse
"You will own nothing and you will be happy" Everything and anything is to be under the ownership of the government.
and they will tell us how / what to think .
communist
Blackrock
They are here to help - wether you like it or not
I don't like it!
No, more public service workers is a joke. I stsrted my CPP last year and had to call the service to clearify some info. It took 5 hours, just another of Trudeau’s “screw Canada” jokes.
Batra's Boys are Brilliant!!!
Whenever Twinkle-toes Trudeau talks about creating jobs in Canada, he means jobs for public servants or bureaucrats.
more like creating hell.
just say collaborators. more fitting anyhow.
I work the USA. The border has been a disaster all month. They closed all the Nexus lanes at the Windsor tunnel except for one. Most nights it takes an hour to cross. The CBSA got their new contract - now they are all on vacation!
I may move to the USA for good because of Trudeau!
The immediate threat is who is getting these civil service jobs... No one wants to talk about that.
Have you talked to any government services lately? They are all immagrants. Your lucky if you can understand them.
Indians
Heterosexual white males are PROHIBITED by DEI from getting these jobs.
Caucasians need not apply
*cough* non-Canadian born immigrants *cough*
Great work you guys.
Canadians are over taxed and over regulated.
enslaved yeah
Increase in public service employees doesn't mean an increase services but does work to lower the unemployment rate. It is part of the Liberal/NDP way of life.
And yet veterans are still waiting years for decisions from Veterans Affairs.
Skippy told them: they're asking for more than he can give.
to answer your question, the answer is no, federal service is worse
Way too many administrators. More taxation always requires more administration. Austerity is coming.
No value, none at all. In fact, it is a complete detriment to pretty much everything.
That type of growth is never good. Especially considering how much debt the gov is in. ❤
That's the way PMjt decreases the unemployment numbers! 42%????? Services better....Not a chance!
The good news is that Pierre has massive opportunity to cut Federal government costs with no negative impact on services (if they were inept before and just as inept now, they’ll be no worse with less employees).
True but when they become unemployed they won’t pay taxes🤔It’s the old Liberal/ Conservative cycle. Liberals spend like drunken sailors and the Conservatives have to reign it in!
If you are paid by tax dollars, you shouldn't be allowed to vote due to confict of interest.
How about people that don`t pay any taxes?
Only tax contributors should be allowed to vote
I guess that means the employees of the legacy media can't vote either (e.g., Toronto Sun employees).
@@jonovision1759agreed
100% agree!
Short answer no, the government services has only gotten worse.
Hiring future Liberal voters.
Exactly
Only 65% of them, 25% vote NDP, the other 10% don't vote.
Now you know.
When you look at the names of a lot of the departments you wonder what is it they do? We're toast folks.
Gender equality department.. meanwhile, the workforce in Canada consists of 90% female and 10% male ratio. Great gender equality 😅😅😅
They need to improve the CRA for one. I spend hours on the phone waiting for human services.
CRA fouled up my 94 yr old moms tax return. Mom lost her continuing care subsidy and her dental coverage because of their ineptitude! Its had to be refiled and is now finally corrected but will take time for subsidies to be restored. Stupidity abounds.
@@victorinewarner5670 gees. I happy to hear that you have it sorted out. The fouled on my returns since 2021. They decided to do a reassessment on me for 21,22 and have decided now I owe them 7800. They have been putting any money they need to pay me against this amount owing. I have been trying to sort it out and have discovered that they have decided to remove one of my T4A’s for my disability payment from my tax returns and saying now that I did not pay enough in taxes. When in fact I had my LTD provider take and extra 100 per month. It’s all BS
they hired a lot more people to work there but they lost all efficiency doing so.
@@victorinewarner5670I do taxes for people ya it's been an interesting time. a lot of errors on their part.
It's also frustrating to talk to someone with very broken english.
ive been saying this for years. It's a defacto caste system. if you are public service you have preferential access to loans, benefits, rates, holidays, etc etc and there is everyone else.
Caste system? The Indian fraudsters will feel right at home then.
There is 1 government ministry that cannot face cuts is Veterans Affairs Canada. In fact they need more people.
....but not the recent hire DEI drones.....
@@TheWolfsnackpeople who've never served, with only a parasitic connection to the country, lording over the fine men (and handful of women) who put their lives on the line. Canada is a sick joke at this point.
The ballooning had a LOT to do with DEI… he came in, decided that DEI was overly important, and hired staff to ensure that it happened.
Who knew that racism and sexism were bad?.... While everyone else knew it 50 years ago, the radical left haven't figured it out yet!
No more so than our new Chief of the Defence Staff. Her former post was in the combat engineers. Not an actual combat commander. She hasn’t got a clue- another Brenda Lucki who got her promotion because checks off DEI boxes- not because of competency.
Name the Traitors to Canada.
The stupidity of the government.
While services in Health Care are in a Crisis.
We get Dental Care!!!
We get Child Care!!!!!
The MONEY should be going to the front line workers for Canadians.
NOT to a Bloated Civil Service.
They take a percentage of the money that should be going to US for services.
Grew 42% and we’ve seen no difference in services.
To grow you need maker's not taker's.
I’d like to see the percentage of landed immigrants employed by the government compared to Canadian citizens.
Not being discriminatory but did you ever call a federal government agency and actually be able to understand what the person at the other end is saying, and does not have a name like Pushwar, or Ahmed?
That's where the 42% increase came from. Canada immigration posts the jobs on that site.
There is a much bigger picture here. The government is a burden to all in the fact they promise themselves better pay and benefits that include time off for all sorts of reasons (stress leave being the worst) I have always been excluded from getting government handouts and programs offered to make other people’s lives better as a single white male the programs offered were always for certain groups not me and a single male for the most part had no tax relief.
But whenever I hear the government workers on strike they just want what I would never have.
So now I live on near 15000 dollars a year and have no chance to improve that. So when I retired/was let go I had no retirement plan as the work I have always had never offered any form of post employment plans. That’s correct, work get taxed and could not afford to take sick days as they were not paid. And unemployment didn’t pay enough for even rent. I never received Covid money or flood or fire money and yes I lived in northern Alberta.
So many people abused these programs. But I didn’t even ask. And the reason was from the early 1980’s I was constantly told I was too young, too old the wrong gender, ethnicity etc. So you stop asking only to hear the demands of everyone else. And more than not, they received. So now I live in the southern Caribbean on a small amount of monthly money that I couldn’t pay rent on in a rooming house. And other than the location it’s all I can afford. A hurricane almost made me homeless a couple of weeks ago. And I would not have expected the Trudeau’s governing to help as I don’t fit in any of his radical belief assistance categories.
The federal government has failed people like me and many others but don’t worry they will look after anyone in the ranks of government or there agencies that claim to be private sector and are not. ie Bell Canada, Air Canada……… etc
Sad
The level of incompetence and corruption is a sad reflection of how the Liberal government has ruined the country . Ontario is the largest beneficiary of Liberal governments because of the increased public service which explains why they vote for these unqualified MPs
How much of the money on women, gender and diversity was allocated to women? What additional services were provided?
Menstruation hygiene day! They think us women need education on the subject. 😂
"Let's hope he defunds CBC" but increases low income single seniors pensions from approximately $1600 to $2000. If the foundation is not strong and secure then the structure will collapse!!
All hail the bureaucrats
Restraint and Trudeau don't often (if ever) collide in the same sentence. There is NO WAY that we (as tax payers) will EVER get value for our tax dollar with a 42% increase in the public sector. NEVER. It was just a way for Trudeau to lower the unemployment numbers in order to show growth, but it is artificial growth; and I might add, this does not in any way boost the level of service that Canadians receive, in fact if we are being brutally honest with ourselves, the level of service we are now receiving is WORSE than it ever was. But Hey - We have maintained a Triple A Credit Rating Right ? Good Grief.
Our municipality has had a huge increase staffing.
When I joined the federal civil service after working in the trades for 20 years, it was to say the least a culture shock. The department's staff level at he time was at about 30k and and I thought they could easily cut 30% and it would go unoticed. Fast forward 20 years, and they now sit at 56k for no apparent reason. Civil servants have no concept of what the average Canadian faces, they are reccruited right out school and then indoctrinated into this Group Think. Management is hired from within and the thinking is perpetuted. To say that management is inept is an understatement. The Conservatives will need to use a scalpel, not a hatchet. A safe target would be five to ten percent per year. Not every department is run badly, the bigger the department or agency, the worse it is run. It can be done but will require at lot of brainstorming outside the civil service to get it done We don't need anither Pheonix to deal with. The civil service is a mess an absolute mess.
Yup I met many women adult children recruited out of high school retirement can't manage finances
None! If anything, it’s created more red tape.
The proof of the long game is surfacing in Toronto and Calgary. Water water every where and not a drop to drink
Brian you gave me the laugh for the day "it's the other RANDY".
Thats a lot of carbon tax for guess who...
The new Gaslighting Class, DEI/ESG. Making Canada a Joke!
I lived through a couple of cuts as a public servant. Do you know what they do? They cut the budget of the department, Then it's up to the department to make the cuts in staff. And do you know who makes those staff cuts? Management. And do you know who they cut? Certainly not themselves, but those down the line who actually do the work. That's how you end up with a bloated middle and top management
NO ! Nobody in the public sector pays taxes ! They are 100% paid IN taxes therefore they do not pay taxes they just have the taxes they are paid as salary taken back and called taxes !
Municipal, provincial, and federal employees do not create wealth.
They live off productive Canadians who work in the private sector.
This is the absolute truth that people can't seem to comprehend.
There is no benefit from the government services sector. The private sector is subject to competition to provide services cheaper & better than each other... when the government is the exclusive provider of services, they do not have to prove their worth by being better than the other guy... this means inefficient, expensive, slow & low quality. Civil services are net consumers of GDP, private companies contribute to GDP provided these companies do the work in the country.
Value for money is a pipe dream that leads to the drain of the public purse.
Just think how large the unemployment rate will be by 2026. Hard times Canada.
Where's my passport?
The Liberal insiders and Liberal contractors must be skimming a crap load of money from these contracts.
They probably don't have a department of investigation into spending in order to keep the system fair and clean do they?
what are the additional civil servants doing? our hospitals are not 42% faster, not 42 % more law enforcement officers on the street? not 42% more judges and clerks expediting the justice system. where are these additional civil servants and what are they doing???
Why is it the public sector is paid better than the people paying their wages??
Social justice if you disagree raycysm
42 percent increase, of more people doing f all for a paycheck
It's called vote harvesting
Short answer, no.
Longer answer, Hells no!
No. It's got to stop.
The odd thing is with all of that additional spending we have had cutbacks on important statistical services of the federal government. We had an annual Survey of Household Spending ever since it was established. Then it switched to a biennial survey, only in odd years. The first even year in which there was no survey was 2018. The next was 2020, the year that COVID struck. What a year to miss! The Bank of Canada’s Financial System Survey used to be semi-annual, in the spring and the fall. The last fall issue was in 2021 and from 2022 forward it is an annual survey only. The Financial System Review, which leaned quite heavily on the FSS for content, used to be a biennial publication. It dropped its fall issue and went annual after 2017, a few years before the FSS itself went annual. These surveys and publications are all missed. Their discontinuation would seem to be a move by an austerity government, not one spending money like a drunken sailor.
My company went bust in 2009 and I had to break out the resume after 22 years. In case no one knows Canada has a pay chart called the NOC (Nation Occupation Code) guidelines that accounts for job skill and where you live to determine pay range. My job pay ranged from $70K to $85K in the NOC and that's what employers were offering, then I would encounter the same job with the public sector and the pay was $95K to $110K and a lot of the time the public sector only worked a 35 hour week. How about we increase public sector hours to 40 / week or knock 1/8 pay off every public sector job only working 35 hours.
It’s madness!😢
Traditional political doctrine says that there are two groups guaranteed to vote liberal, civil servants, and immigrants. Is it any doubt why we are massively increasing both groups?
Is there value in a 42% increase in bureaucracies that gum up the works in the first place? Wow. That's a question someone with no corpus callosum would ask.
If you have to ask that question, the answer is already crystal-clear.
It’s a framing device.
More opportunity for kickbacks.
Not worth it.
The amount of management added in every level of government in the last 9 years is mind blowing.
DEI hires. Useless.
Plus the civil servants only want to work 3 days a week but be able to work from home the other two.
Firstable, how much population grow? It has to be relative term. But 40% seems excessive and the service has got worse. Gov artificially boosting jobs market
Semeone had to employ all the new immigrants that Trudeau has also increased since 2015
Then they hire contractors and consultants to do the actual work.
We are getting way less for public service for all the money we pay in taxes it's outrages we paid less 9 years ago than what we get now and this carbon tax is a fraud yes we need to clean our rivers but it would be great if they would stop throwing waste in the rivers and go after big companys.
My town we have a neighborhood full of them with their public vehicals.. 🤔 Every fifth vehical on the Highway is public paid for..!
Dude, I sat in a service Canada office for 5 hours in October to renew my passport. So no, the service is not better.
Every government spent money for services to improve health care, public services... It’s normal :During Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s last year in office, program spending was budgeted to reach $263.2 billion. This meant per-person spending (again, after adjusting for inflation) would be $8,063 in 2015.
And there are all of Trudeau's voters.
Hey, they needed more staff to make those special bracelets for menstruation hygiene day!
They need to reduce it by 75 percent.
The size of government has gone out of control at the same time the level and quality of service has dropped. I should not have to spend hours on hold only to be cut off before I even had a chance to talk to a human. Or if I'm lucky, I actually got to speak to someone after being on hold for those hours. AI is even worse to deal with so why all these extra public employees that have been hired?
My wife spent an hour on the phone trying to find out why her passport was a month late…….it’s going to be another month…..😂
Stop being woke Canadian, wake up.
Every Crackhead in my neighborhood (and there are a lot of them) Received more than $10,000 of CERB Money.
Poliverre and Conservatives Unanimously Signed those Spending Bills
No they didn't. The liberals are the ones that pushed the cerb thru parliament.
More people sitting around doing nothing all day,the secret is out,and always the first to complain,ENOUGH
I think one of the best ideas I've heard in a very long time is make it constitutionally illegal for taxes to be automatically taken off people's paychecks.
Whatever you get paid goes into your bank account and at the end of the month you get a bill with a breakdown of where your taxes are going that you have to physically (or electronically) cut a check to the government to pay and watch the funds leave your account.
This will likely require a program at first to get people up to date on their taxes in a way that doesn't put them in the streets as many people won't keep money back for taxes, but I can think of no faster way to wrench public opinion away from having the government get so big than making people say: "I pay HOW much and for WHAT?" When you just start cutting programs they get upset, when they realize what that program is costing them they will ask you to scale it down or axe it which will give you the political capital and political will to shrink the government whilst maintaining a high approval rating. Canada desperately needs to do a cost benefit analysis of our welfare state and have a serious discussion about which programs we keep and which ones we can get by without. It's the only way to restore affordability.
And they hired more consultants because the civil servants couldn’t do the job they were hired to do
Great work y
Unsustainable tax drain. The public sector needs to be drastically and immediately reduced.
any job working for any government agency is paid higher and has on expectation of doing a good job but there unions have very good pr firms working for them the tears will fill the great lakes
Cra went after my young son for 1000. And my older son for 2000. Both hard working tradesmen with family and mortgages. They demanded the payback which they both did payback. But here’s the thing they both were laid off went thru service Canada for unemployment benefits and SC transfer to cra for cerb. Right hand did not know what left hand was doing. My sons would not let me help them. They said you can’t fight the CRA. NEVER WAS AN OVERPAYMENT
Public services have declined in the last 9 years.
The number of new public servants (hah!) is bad enough, but they also expect to “work from home”. Getting your butt into an office every day should be a minimal expectation.
And most of them 'work' from home
The road to socialism
everyone has seen govt workers in the wild.
They are the ones out for midweek afternoon strolls /shopping while they should be at work.
Only the guy leading Argentina can save Canada now.
The issues highlighted in this report reflect directly on the Liberal Government. We don’t know how Poilievre is going to respond to the situation.
My experience, so far, is that only a relatively small number of Canadians are concerned about bureaucratic bloat and government spending. I don’t think bureaucratic bloat is a significant concern for most Canadians. In fact, I think, most Canadians are hoping, and waiting anxiously, to land their own secure government funded position. They are wondering why can’t we all work for the government?
Canadians are very socialistic and to a comparatively large extent, they embrace government involvement in their lives. Canadians that express concern about the size of the bureaucracy and federal funding for social programs, are the outliers.
It seems that Canadians really do believe, and preferentially so, that it is the government's responsibility to take care of them.
I think we could extend that idea to say that Canadians very much developed a dependent attitude towards life. We are not like the USA where the individual is expected to create a life of value.
If you look at our health care system and you see that they have intentionally trained generations to become more and more dependent on them. Now one cannot apparently survive without a "family" doctor even though no such specialized medicine actually exists. It's a name attached to what was formally called a general practitioner. I suspect the family handle is to increase the sense of familiarity and that they are trustworthy. Trusting people don't question and questions are rarely encouraged. It's essentially ' you don't know what you are doing, we know best, do what we say'. And don't question either because that will not be well received. A generation or two of this and you have the current Canadian public. 😮
This is how the usher in technoncommunism
Twice in the last year I’ve waited on the phone 4 hours for a total of 8 hours on hold waiting to talk to someone. Only to give up both times. When the letter I received from the government said they would reach out to me. They have never reached out to me.
It took over a month just to get my new renewal passport. When I first got a passport it was 10 working days. Yet we need more civil servants to work at doing less and taking longer to do it
Oh, they replaced passport renewal work with a computer over the last year and a half. If that story happened this year, you got f'd by an algorithm glitching out.