Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic vs BMW R 18 Classic. Which cruiser is best? You may be surprised!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- We pitch the Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic 114 against the new 2021 BMW R 18 Classic in the ultimate head-to-head of the big cruisers with touring capabilities. Which motorbike comes out on top? BMW Motorrad or Harley-Davidson? Watch to find out!
We award points for every feature that wins and in this completely objective shootout, we find out which motorcycle is your flavour!
We briefly consider the Indian Springfield, Harley-Davidson Road Glide and Triumph Rocket 3 GT, but they are less similar and therefore we compare the R18 and Heritage Classic.
In this video the Ol' Man is wearing a Goldtop Leather Jacket & Gloves www.goldtop.co.uk
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I just took a 2021 R18 Classic on a 140km test ride. I absolutely loved how it handled and felt on the highway. It got up to road speeds quickly, and made passing speeds so well.
I think I found my next bike.
Excellent. There’s nothing like them 💯
The BMW R 18 is a piece of Motorcycle Art with that Boxer engine, the Cardanic transmission, the level of attention to every detail and the fact that is something new and different from the rest on the market.
Absolutely. It is unique and very special indeed 💯
I’d pick the R18. I prefer mid controls. Forwards tend to put a lot of pressure on my tailbone and are harder to weight the pegs when turning or to lift out of the seat over big bumps. I do have highway pegs on the crash bar of my GS, so I can have a forward position even with the boxer engine. However, I’d say 90% of the time, I have my feet on the mid pegs and only use the highway pegs to stretch occasionally on long highway sections. I never use them on backroads.
Yes there’s a lot to be said for mid controls 👍🏼
The footboards on the Heritage aren't out too far forward. I'm 5'8" and they are positioned near perfect for me. You can move your feet five or six inches fore or aft.
I prefer the BMW but that is a subjective opinion. What isn't a subjective opinion is that this is a great mc channel. That is simply a fact!
Thanks buddy! That’s the thing about so many motorbikes; and the reason we often turn what we think is a negative into a positive
I have tried both models and i went with the R18. The unique looks and the 3 modes engine makes me decide on that side
Excellent! We’ve got a new video about the R18 coming tomorrow 👌🏼
As a BMW rider, IDK. THere are ways I think the R18 falls short. I'd like a R18 that is more like a Road King than Heritage. Hard lockable bags, bigger tank, better seat, bigger windscreen.
OK I see where you’re coming from. It’s really a cruiser with touring ability than a tourer
Wanted the R18, bought the Harley today, first ride, is amazing. Reasons: 1. riding position - less engine in the way, 2. noise - no great range of exhausts as yet from BMW, 3. price - better price by 4k almost, 4. amount of extras - much more with Harley, 5. sense of community - BMW is great for my GS not sure for cruisers, 6. gut feel - loved the look of the R18 but the use of word segment in all their videos made me feel it was really a blatant marketing exercise whereas the Harley is more real. May buy the R18 too....
And BTW, epic video as ever guys, best on RUclips for bikes....
OK we’ll considered Steve. Congratulations with the new bike! 💯
@@stevereilly Thanks! 😁💯
@@MrDarcy-OlMan It went back today, didn't have a fondness for changing down gear past 4th!
I have demo ridden both of these. (The BMW that I rode was the initial model released) I really liked both. I would need a few hundred miles in the saddle to make my determination of which I would rather live with, especially considering the $$$$. I have owned a few big twin Harleys and the Heritage was a more familiar feel for me and it fits perfectly. The Heritage seemed to have a slightly lighter handling feel and the front end on the Bimmer seemed more planted and substantial. I was able to ride both on a mountain road and was equally impressed. Both were solid machines. A side by side fourth or fifth gear roll on would have been an interesting comparison to see which would pull away from the other. Several times, you mentioned that H-D should offer a bike between the Heritage and the Breakout which might compare more closely to this R18. I might suggest that the Road King might be that bike, although it does not have the hidden suspension. I agree with your assessment on the front brakes. You gave a point to the R18 for having riding modes where the Heritage had none. I can see that view. However technology, to some of us, is just an add on that we'd rather not have to deal with or pay for. (I'm not crazy about throttle by wire or keyless ignitions, either) I have owned and ridden several bikes with anti lock brakes and rider modes. I'm a simple guy and I prefer being 100% in charge of traction and braking. By the way, these two motorcycles are in my top five list of new bikes at the present time. I always enjoy your reviews. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks buddy. As the Harley is ride-by-wire and in a fixed mode we gave it to the R18. The Touring chassis on the Harleys gives a very different ride in our opinion so that’s why we didn’t put them in the same place.
Thanks for your support 👍🏼👍🏼
We would love to have ridden them side-by-side but because of the Nanny State motorcycle licensing laws in the UK, Darcy can’t ride one for another 2-3 years!
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Because of his age, or riding years? That's interesting. I grew up in Illinois (a looonng time ago) and we weren't allowed to ride anything over 150cc until we were 18. I don't know if that's still the situation there since I've been out here in Wyoming for 42 years.
@@jroberthadden we have a compulsory progressive licensing system here that basically stops 99% of people riding at all. Most just wait till they’re 24 and do an intensive course
@@MrDarcy-OlMan So most of the youngsters don't get any practical riding experience until they're 24? Wow, I did not know that. What a shame. I have taken three Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, including the instructor course. I believe that the ONLY way to become road worthy is to have practical road experience. Even if it's on smaller bikes. So, if I'm understanding you, young riders may only ride smaller, or less powerful, bikes until they're 24, then they are automatically able to move up? I can see how that could discourage many from riding at all. Many times, when a person gets to that ripe old age, they are starting careers and families which, itself, limits many of them in buying motorcycles.
@@jroberthadden it’s really complicated to explain. Here’s a video we did on it ruclips.net/video/Jccnm_SH9dU/видео.html
I like the comparison style you used here on this episode, please keep it up. Another great review lads, so far every one's a winner, many thanks
Thanks Rotax. We wanted to be completely objective
I try not to bash Harleys as I own 5 of them but the R18s, especially the Transcontinental, are amazing bikes.
I have maintained many Harleys and quite a few R18s at my garage and I would say BMW has Harley trumped in the quality department, and I've noticed less over all maintenance is required for the R18s in particular, especially so with the bagger and the Transcontinental. The R18s also fair the higher distance trips way better here in Australia, Harleys just shake themselves apart from what I've experienced.
To counter on a few of the comments made in the video. The one about the Harleys gearbox isn't correct, most of the boxes i've serviced are just not finished to the standard of the R18, i wouldn't call it a characteristic like the sideways roll of the R18 is, more of a lower standard of fit and finish and honesty not a great architecture.
The riding position of the R18 is much better for your body posture, control of the bike and keeps you more at attention when doing long trips. I just stop and have a walk when my legs get tired, I've had all sorts of stirrups/highway bars and the bars for the R18 cylinder and it doesn't make a difference in the long run, just get of the bike, stretch yourself out and check out the scenery like you should do on a long ride.
A little tuning eliminates the sluggishness of the R18 and when you add some forced induction to them they become an absolute animal, all while looking a stunning bike.
Just as a few comments. Other land going mammals out in the wild love the R18 more than any Harley ive been on from my time out riding, I will always get questions about it and have people taking photos of/with it, thumbs up at traffic lights, I've even had times where people have parked me in nice spots out the front of restaurants/cafes, even in a foyer once, just so people could look at it, I sh*t you not, and females like it better than any Harley I've been on, period.
Blokes approach me way more on the Harleys, which is something to think about.
One last thing, ive done the Highway 1 in Australia on a R18 Transcontinental, a Ultra Limited and a Road Glide Ultra and so far the Transcontinental will be the one i take on the next holiday, I love my Harleys but BMW made a cracking bike with this one, a genuinely stellar bit of kit.
Hi guys, this is the video I've been waiting for and boy was it worth it. I’m so glad they were pitched evenly, as you know i have an R18 which i love and don’t think i could ever part with it and i have a Harley being delivered this Wednesday (street Bob 2021) so like you ....i love Chinese and Indian food.
Many thanks and kind regards.
Thanks buddy! 💯👍🏼
I love the art deco style of the BMW but that Harley Davidson engine is a piece of art.
Yes true 👍🏼
Just remember that beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear through to the bone. 😎
Great job, gentlemen! The forward controls make the choice for me. Being able to relax my knees and stretch out a bit is one of the benefits of a traditional cruiser/weekender. Top review of both!
Thanks buddy 💯👍🏼 Yes we get you there
Two years after watching this, then riding both, very pleased with my decision to purchase the R18 Classic. 👌 Thank you Mr. Darcy & The Ol' Man. 🤙
Awesome,it is a wonderful motorbike 👍🏼
Just picked up a 2021 first edition. Its brilliant! I ride a 1200 GSA as well so the huge cylinders sticking out the sides is not a huge deal. Thank you for this review and keep up the great work. Cheers from Alaska
Awesome! Every mile’s a smile!
I test rode a Softail, Street Glide, and Road King and went with a 22 BMW R 18 B. Absolutely love it. It's the best thought out bike I've ever ridden. Fast up to 90, sounds great, brilliant cruise control, headlights, heated seat and grips, hill assist, reverse, abs and traction control. I love Harley's too, but for me the BMW is where it is at. Instant classic. I read most of the reviews of the BMW before the test ride and was very pleasantly surprised. IMHO, some of the problem with the reviews, not this one, is that they are asking people that think cruisers are stupid what they think of them. Or people that say any cruiser that's not a Harley is an imposter.
Yes very good points! I agree. I bought a BMW R 18 for those reasons. It’s tremendous 💯
Love the Retro 1940's look of the Harley Davidson Heritage....The BMW R-18 looks more like an official Police Bike a bit bulky...Both are great bikes..... but,
Definitely like the Harley Davidson Heritage 114 Best ✔️✔️✔️
Yes good points my friend 👍🏼👍🏼
I just know I’d bash those cylinders!
Just watched video again . The bmw is stunning and the finish on it is so beautiful
Yes it’s Rolls Royce 💯
The R18 wins my vote.
Yes it’s a great bike 👍🏼
What!!!! I made that 16-0 in favour of the Harley. It looks better, sounds better and doesn't have those big jugs sticking out. No contest.
Lol. If it’s too easy for Harley they will procrastinate
Cant believe you gave a point to the harley engine because the BMW has a wider engine, Better cooling More torque and more power per size. I own both the Harley and the BMW but bet the engine on the BMW will last longer also.
I also have owned both bikes, now just have the R18 (the Ol' Man); and they are both awesome bikes 👍🏼
the harley is around 37k and the R18 is 27k in australia soo i think the R18 is quite the bargain
Similar in Germany, just little less for both :D
The biggest difference between these two motorcycles is the riding position. Open and relaxed on the Harley and cramped on the big BMW. Sit on them both and it’s easy to decide which one you would like to spend the most time on. I will keep my heritage, thank you.
Fair enough. I’m a pretty big guy and have never been cramped on the BMW. 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan You stated yourself that the leg room is better on the Harley and actually gave it a point for that. The leg position on the BMW reminds me of my F6B, but the F6B had forward pegs that would allow me to stretch my legs if needed. I would classify the BMW as actually being a standard as opposed to a cruiser. Ironically, Honda marketed the F6B as a power cruiser when it first came out. Go figure.
The riding position on the R18 is actually very comfortable compared to the 6 HD’s I’ve had over the past 20 years. Feet forward is placing your body in a “staple” position and not comfortable for me anyway!
@@stevegodfrey626 I agree, and if there's corners to navigate, especially twisties you can control the bike much better with feet back. Another thing about the R18 is the ability to stand naturally upright for extended periods - just like on the adventure bikes - to alleviate numbness on long rides. You can also vary your foot position to shift weight from one point to another. I haven't tried them but you can also buy an engine guard setup with foot rests if you need a wee lie down while riding. I've had three H-Ds and consider them brilliant bikes each in their different ways - the Switchback 103" the best comparison to the R18 I thought and the two very very close.
I have had 6 new Harleys. The R18 is certainly not cramped and is actually more comfortable on my back long distance with the semi mid controls. I am 6ft and 100kgs. One of the reasons I bought an R18. Best bike ever out of the 12 I have owned …. 53 years riding.
My, oh my! Does the name "Road King" ring a bell? Dual discs, big clear screen, big tank, roomy seat?
As an owner of a Heritage and a Road King, I would have to agree with FLHFD. Not being able to stretch your legs out would be a game changer for me so H-D all day long, no contest. Great content as ever chaps!
We did mention the road king
@@MrDarcy-OlMan My hearing and eyesight must be going then. I could have sworn you said Road GLIDE and showed a pic of a green one?
@@simonhickey8952 Sorry we had a very spicy curry and it’s messing with our minds! 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan No worries, happens to the best of us. However, if you like the Heritage, you'd love the Road King!
Overall cost of ownership should be compared. Durability and reliability are major factors.
That’s hard to establish without having both bikes for a long period of time tbh
Nice review. I think a Road King would have been a better comparison though. BMW & HD are both making great cruisers.
I'll take the HD.Aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes.I've heard that the R18 is prone to much peg scraping too,which puts me off.
OK bro. The peg scraping is no more than any other cruiser. It’s more that the other reviewers expect it to be a Fireblade in the corners
@@MrDarcy-OlMan
Thank you for that.👍👍
@@travelinben1966 A lot of owners have said this is because the rear preload on the bikes is not being adjusted before bikes are given to the press and customers and they are effectively riding them in transport mode. Adjusting properly for rider weight seems to eliminate a lot of the scraping 👍🏻
@@beatts101 well that's a new one. I like it, cheers. 😂🤣
@@beatts101
Thank you for that information.I would have definitely ruled out the R18 had you not pointed that out.
BMW might be better. But Harley Davidson has soul and heart. I just bought the 2021 harley heritage and I love it.
Awesome 💯 We love our Heritage Classic!
I'm just getting my BMW Classic tomorrow!!!! it is so beautiful.. a piece of art.!!!!
You look better on the R18! The proportions and riding position look more comfortable and a better fit.
Really OK thanks bro 👍🏼
As the years go by and the feeling of new love fades away (BMW) - I have a suspicion that time speaks for the HARLEY-DAVIDSON. Difficult choice . I would choose the Harley-Davidson... I think.
Well put. We get what you’re saying. Harley Davidson should be busy designing a reverse and a longer cruiser 🤞🏼
If you want a longer Harley go for the road king or one of the glides.
Road King (Classic) outclasses both
Enjoyed the comparison, like the look of both, however this ole long legged country boy is addicted to forward controls and stretching my legs out on the crash bar with highway pegs on a long sunny day of riding. thanks...
Thanks buddy. Yes we know that feeling 👍🏼
There is an option to have a bar right above the cylinder heads for that purpose
@@sebastiangeorge7714 yes however those two boxer cylinders are very wide.
Both beautiful! I’d go for the Harley Davidson ❤️
Thanks my friend 👍🏼
Just for the reverse gear - BMW.
Game changer 💯
I’ve got one in my Road King. It’s called the missus 😇
Great great comparison!!! Thanks for that. It is great to see them back to back. Excellent gentlemen!
Thanks Maxi 💯👍🏼
I dig that BMW. Harleys are everywhere here in the states. Get a Heritage and you will see several others on your ride. The Beemer? Probably won’t see on other one in several months if ever. So there is a built in uniqueness to the beemer that you just don’t get with the Harley.
Yes that’s a very good point 👍🏼
The bmw is a nice looking bike but there's no where to stretch out your legs and I think it's more cramped than a gold wing
@@briangebert8927 but you can stand, which is worth way more
Love the throwback design to BMW's heritage in the R18. I do like the look of the Harley better. Great vids :)
Thanks buddy. It’s going to go 50:50 with the public vote we think
Great video guys...love your videos...very straightforward...well paced...good quality camera and remind me of myself and my oul man!
Thanks so much!
There was a comparison video done by Motorcyclist between the R18, Street Glide, and Indian Chief. Very interesting. The stand out for the BMW is the fit and finish and how the bike is put together. They said they thought HD was great until the BMW showed them how good it can get. Something else to consider is engine heat. It’s actually worse on the Harley bc of the rear cylinder running hotter and the exhaust pipe being next to your leg. The BMW cylinders and exhaust headers are in the wind and cool better.
Yes absolutely right
I understand comparing the two but for me the Road King Classic (although the Classic is no longer available I think 😞) out-classes both.
Similar lean angle to the R18, more than the Heritage, bigger tank (22.7 ltr) fly-by-wire and with a fuelpak perfectly tuneable whatever the situation or changes, belt drive so zero maintenance and lasts forever.
Such a comfortable seat and position, I do four hours riding before I need a break and styling that warms the cockles of a classic bike lover like myself but with all mod cons, cruise, ABS (inc cornering on newer ones, mine’s a 2010) detachable everything, clear big screen (not for me), backrest Inc rider and rack.
Twin discs up front.
Perfect blend of classic styling and modern ease, I wouldn’t swap even for a new Heritage or R18.
Cons- I ride the ‘twisties’ a lot so cornering without too much plate-scrape is challenging and makes for some interesting riding style (I like a challenge) and I wear through tyres quickly.
Being tied to the dealer takes getting used to, only they can do anything with the ABS system but bikes older than 5 years get 25% discount on parts and labour so it works out ok and I think BMW would be the same cars or bikes.
A bike for people who like to ride and makes anywhere a photo opportunity.
Great review guys 👍🏻 The Breakout is still available as a 2021 model though here in the UK and elsewhere. If you were buying a bike now and depreciation on the Harley wasn’t a consideration would you choose the R18 or would you choose the Heritage?
Thanks Alex. All things considered and with the novelty value of something different aside, I’d go for the Heritage Classic.
The Heritage, there are a few 2020 unregistered bikes available, 18 to 19k gets you one, new bike is to order only, 21k for 21 model. BMW from 23k has further to drop generally. Picked up my Heritage today to go with my GSA 1250...
If I was buying a bike of this type, it would be the Honda Goldwing Bagger DCT.
Yes the Honda is very good
Honda should make a Goldwing wuith a similar sized windshield to the one on the Heritage. Clip on, clip off. Not everyone needs a full sized fairing, radio etc. The motor on the Goldwing is superb.
I chose the most beautiful one. R18 Frist Edition. Thank you for the interesting comparison. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Hans 💯👍🏼
Great presentation would go for the Harley-Davidson Heritage
Thanks buddy! 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you guys🤙
Thanks buddy 👍🏼
R18. Would love to change my Suzuki Intruder 800 c for one of those.
Just bought an 23 R18 Classic and own HDs 20 SGS and 17 RKS…ONLY ABOUT 500 miles on the BMW but will say the HD throttle response on both is absolutely perfect--doesn’t need ride modes. Power-wise I’d give a slight edge to HD and also in the ride dynamics. But the fit and engineering on the R18 is otherworldly…if I had to pick, and I’m lucky I don’t, I’d take the SGS by a nose.
Long time Harley and Guzzi owner in the past but today I'd go for the BMW. Something about literally strapping yourself onto what looks and sounds like a BMW aircraft radial engine from the war is extremely appealing. Plus the custom ability for something completely different to anything else. Couldn't care less about a fuel gauge, that's what the trip odometer is for. Great review, subbed.
Thanks buddy. Yes it’s a unique and very appealing motorcycle 💯
The BMW shaft drive is trouble free if properly maintained. The Harley m8 is a great platform to work off of and blueprinting the motor with after market parts would bring it up the BMW level of quality.
Yes good points 👍🏼
And therin lies the problem. The Beemer engine from the factory has superior engineering. A forged steel crank supported by three main bearings makes the engine bulletproof. I like the fact that with proper maintenance, this engine should go hundreds of thousands of miles. Things like valve adjustments on this engine should be a breeze. I like the Harley sound. Just not impressed with the engineering and manufacturing.
@@curtisssmith5204 Yes there’s no doubting the quality of BMW engineering 💯
Nice one boys. R18 for me. Different class.
Thanks bro! 👍🏼👍🏼
When I rode the R18 last October and compared it to my Softail Deluxe, the very last of the Twin cams (which I preferred to the newer M8 version), I found the Harley brakes much better than on the R18. Maybe because HD used Brembo brakes on the last of the twin cams Softail's. You can use one finger braking on the Deluxe and these provide the best brakes I have ever used on any Harley.
Really ok that’s good 👍🏼💯
You're right. They finally got the brakes right on those. Maybe the R18 you rode hadn't had enough miles to run in the brakes, yet.
@@jroberthadden There could have been something wrong with the brakes on the R18 I rode. The Missenden Flyer rode the same bike as I did and also commented about the front brakes. I told the sales guy at Barnstormer that he might want to get the front brake checked as it felt like there was air in the system. Never heard back from them. Not bothered either way as I found my Deluxe a much better motorcycle and if anything I would want a lighter bike, not an even heavier one...
I loved R18.....fantastic
Yes it’s tremendous 👍🏼
The impartial nature of your review is refreshing and entertaining. Is there much difference in stopping performance of the two bikes?
Thanks Barry. Not really tbh. The R18 with double discs is just a bit better
@@MrDarcy-OlMan On paper, but in a real road test - I mean with a day's road riding, the Harley stopped better, also the HD was more comfortable and the BMW showered sparks easier on the corners... where is the objectivity with no highway riding for a whole day? Oh, and the Honda Gold Wing has reverse gear - another heavy cruiser.
@@RE650NZGraeme we better get you to do it next time bud
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Your reviews are different to the rest and use a specific list of objective comparisons and there are weights and balances, so overall it is another way of looking at the task, but I also ask other reviewers to include parameters in their specific list of objectives that assist with their measure, TMF for one :) Keep it up guys!
Thanks buddy. We did individual reviews of the bikes in more detail but this is better viewed after seeing the individual reviews first. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for the video. I hesitated (a little) between the two, and I just ordered ... a Heritage.
My main reasons :
- Impossibility of moving the legs on the R18,
- Zero rear suspension of the R18,
- Look of the Heritage without the saddlebags and windshield
OK interesting to hear your decision making process. Thanks buddy 👍🏼 Enjoy the Harley!
Which one is more reliable? I suspect the BMW is more reliable.
Back in the day, one needed two Harelys one to ride and one to work on.
I would go with the BMW.
It’s hard to say. I think the M8 Harleys are pretty reliable these days 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I agree. I remember many years ago a friend who was a Harley rider decided to get a BMWR750, he was so used to working on his Harley, he was nearly frustrated because the Beemer didn't need daily adjustments or repairs.
According to the consumers report in USA, HD is more reliable than BMW even Ducati is above BMW. The first positions of course go to Japanese brands. Cheers
BMW's recent history is that the initial adopters are used to work out the problems the factory testers missed. In a consumer survey of new motorcycle reliability, they finished second to last (last was the family of Can-Am Spyders, but they're not really motorcycles). New Harleys, contrary to popular belief, are very reliable. Also, Triumphs no longer leak oil and their electrics work reliably. Old stereotypes are hard to kill, but this is 2022 and things are very different then they were in 1972...
@@CaptHollister you're right, I stand corrected. Has a retired car and truck mechanic, I have said, "they don't build them like use to, thank God for that!"
Both mechanical art on 2 wheels, both world class cruisers...decisions decisions🤔. Great comparison video👌
Greetings from Canada...
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Yes absolutely! Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
I can honestly say I don’t know which would be the better bike. While I don’t like the look of the flat twin, HD has some issues as well. I’d probably give a slight edge to the Harley simply because it has a fuel gauge, which isn’t a difficult thing to add the BMW. Great review as always.
Thanks buddy. They really are closely matched and both satisfy your soul 👍🏼
I'd take the Beemer because of the shaft drive, I also think it's exhaust sound is slightly preferable
OK interesting point 👍🏼
After market exhausts should be a must on these girls!
@@rorynicholson8558 yes definitely
What’s the shaft drive advantage?
Belts last forever.
@@alancarter4525 I’m not sure tbh. Like you say, belts last.
Another good video! I think I am in the R 18 camp, but I haven't ridden one. All comes down to individual preferences. Can't always sort that sort of thing out in advance. If we could, I wouldn't have an ex-wife. Yeah, if only she had known!
Thanks buddy! Haha we live and learn 👍🏼
I’ve owned both brands and have found owners are very brand loyal...currently I own a BMW R1200RT. This review was quite good because it was even handed and didn’t play into brand loyalty...it just dealt with the bikes. Well done.
Thanks Kent. Yes we are always objective 💯
I thought maybe the HD would win the suspension compare, it has 4.4” rear travel vs. BMW’s 3.5”. But I have never ridden either.
They seem very equal in feel 👍🏼
I own a 2020 Harley Low S. I considered the Heritage Classic after I bought the Low Rider S, haha. But I do love my LRS. I made some changes to my LRS such as crash bars, a saddleman step up seat, 10 inch handle bar riser with 2 inch pull back (I used the stock handle bars), viking saddle bags witj quick release, a Harley luggage rack with quick release sissy bar. Plan on adding passenger pegs and swapping out factory mufflers with Vance and Hines TWIN SLASH 3″ SLIP-ONS.I also took off the factory front and replaced it with a 18 inch wind shield. In hind sight I should have bought the saddleman Explorer Seat instead of the Step seat for added comfort.
I am a BMW1200GSA rider and am considering to buy a 2nd bike in the next year. At first I would go for the HD just to have "something" else, but 2 things certainly have made my choice lean more towards the BMW, and that is the reverse gear possibility and the dual front disk breaks. I am so used to these breaks with my GSA, that it would kind of hard to get used to a single front disk break. Thanks for the review! I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work and ride safe!!!
Thanks Kim. Hopefully we have made your decision easier 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan certainly!! I am also watching now your other video’s. Great work!!
@@kimvanuytsel8462 also possible to put a reverse gear on the Harley
Yes we also think it won’t be too long before Harley offer it as an option
Great review once again, but when it comes to flavour you need to evaluate what you can afford to eat! 😊
Thanks buddy. Yes absolutely! 💯
We do not need the chassis of the bmw r18 and the V- Twin HD engine at the end of this show, but they are perfect what they are. The two great motorrad companies made the two amazing beasts on two wheels and that is great! Good job!
Thanks buddy. Yes! 2 of the best 👍🏼
Very nice videos. I would choose the bmw. Classier and the engine is simply fabulous.
Picking up the R 18 Classic next week. Been riding a Heritage Springer for the past 5 years. Looking forward to having reverse, and better front end control. No gas gage may be an adjustment. Will need to watch my kms, or hope for a reset at the very least.
Nice overview. But you didn’t address build quality. If I opted for the Harley, I would do so expecting a lot more maintenance. Quality is a huge factor. A BMW is expensive but it pays you back every time you ride because of the high quality.
Both very good build quality. R18 possibly a bit better
Two nice bikes but i would choose the harley
Thanks Carlo 👍🏼💯
In BMW they have come up with a nice engine, with 68cc less it manages to have slightly higher torque and power values (not that they make a difference). As a motorcycle itself, I prefer the Heritage though. Thanks for the video
Thanks buddy; interesting point 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan In your opinion Harley Davidson shouldn't "wake up" and launch a range (in 1 or 2 families) of 700 to 1200cc motorcycles to win over the young people?
@@federicosamperi7336 yes definitely. Even 500cc +
I always enjoy watching your reviews. Interesting to view these two bikes head to head. As you say it comes down to personal choice. I would like to see the sales figures for both models at the end of this year. Does the BMW have the brand identity in the USA? I suspect not. In Europe I am sure the BMW will sell better. If I had the money my heart says BMW. They have cherry picked a style from their history that was, and is iconic.
Thanks Stephen! Yes that would be interesting to see. 👍🏼💯
Oh man, fantastic video! Good job being extremely objective on all those points, agreed 100%. I found the mention of the short fenders extremely on point, I traded my 2019 Heritage for a Low Rider S and the short fairing is just for looks, the oil cooling panel gets sooooo dirty.
Oh I also loved the last mention about the symmetry of the bike, I thought that was a very good point and I didn’t think about that until you mentioned it
Thanks buddy! We’re glad you’re on the same wavelength 👍🏼💯
No doubt at all The Amazing BMW R18 it's one of my favorite Motorcycles but definitevily I stand with the majestic Harley Davidson which has always been my favorite Motorcycle!, Good video, Thanks for sharing!!!
The reverse gear of the BMW seems really useful but not having something as simple as a fuel gauge is a real limitation, at least in my view.
Yes it would definitely be better with it!
Sure it would be better with it, but there is a trip meter. You'll always have a good idea of your remaining fuel. Plus, the low fuel light comes on with a gallon remaining, with a mile count down clock.
I’ve got to say that the Road King would be a better comparison for the R18. The Heritage has always had an inferior suspension and ride compared to the FLH type.
My view is that there is a different range comparison here. R18 FE > HD heritage classic. R18 Classic > HD Roadking. R18 Transcontinental > CVO.
I'd have the Beemer based almost entirely on the look and sound. The HD is a good looking bike with a great sound but that big boxer is a work of art and some slightly louder pipes on it would let it sing.
They certainly would!
I had a BMW R Cruiser several years ago and I liked it. Was a lot of fun. I now currently own the 2018 HD Heritage like the one here. I love this bike. I've done a few things to it in past 3 years such as pipes and changed some things such as the mirrors. Its great for me, was going to get the Road King but opted for the Heritage and I really like its lighter weight and has great handling for what it is. Where I live if I go south, its all hills and if I go east, its straight road and this bike is great for both.
Awesome. Ues the heritage Classic is a brilliant bike 💯
I too have a 2018harley Davidson heritage 114 and I love the bike except for the battery location
I prefer the BMW styling to the Harley but, like the guy said, that's subjective. Both bikes are winners in their own right.
Thanks buddy. Yes that’s exactly it 👍🏼
As the owner of both BMW and HD bikes this was the fairest comparison I’ve seen. Thanks but I would take the BMW. I live in the US.
Thanks Robert. 💯👍🏼
Traded in my HD for the R18 Classic few months ago. I love it. Hopefully it’ll be more reliable than the Harley. Great neutral review.
Really! What Harley did you have? The R18 is fabulous
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Ultra Classic Electra Glide
I have a 2022 Heritage 114 and the brakes on that bike suck! I have 534 miles on it and it's an ok bike but I'm going back to an R1250 RT.
Enjoy your reviews. Thank you. Just subscribed. I have a question about wind buffeting and vibration in the bars. How do you compare them? For context, I like taking long trips in the US. Big touring bikes with engine character from Harley and Indian are fine on the highway, but not so great once you get where you were going. And better-handling touring bikes such as BMW's RT or the new Wing, lack character to delight you along the way. What should be the perfect bikes for my need, the Heritage, has terrible buffeting at highway speeds and leaves my hands numb on a long ride. (Older Harleys and rubber-mounted Harleys don't have that effect on me.) So I was wondering whether you noticed a difference between the two in this regard.
Thanks and welcome aboard!
The Heritage certainly buffets at 70mph and you can duck down to get out of it. The R 18 has a small screen so you do get it somewhat on that too but I reckon the new touring models would be better in that respect. The Harley Limited or CVO Limited is really nice at speed and I found no wind buffeting.
I think the ol man is going to sell his harley for a R18, can't believe no fuel gauge bmw tut tut , great viewing as per usual
Thanks buddy. It’s certainly food for thought, but I’ve decided to keep the Harley
My issue with the BMW if your outside Europe it’s hard to get parts and they lack the dealer rand aftermarket support. I had a 1150 GS and the master cylinder was bad. It ended my holiday and I had to have the bike taken to a shop hour away and fly home. Add to that It took 9 months to get a master cylinder from Germany. That was the last BMW bike I owned and they are beautiful machines.
That’s a shame. Perhaps that will improve over time 👍🏼
Cruisers aren't my thing but the BMW R18 Classic looks stunning
Yes definitely 👍🏼
Great review and not one sided either which was nice. I think BMW really brought something to the table and I’m very impressed. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. I myself own the HD.
Thanks Timothy! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
The aftermarket is huge for BMW. Oh wait a minute, there is almost nothing.
Getting there 👍🏼
Great video guys. I like both almost the same. One thing you didn't cover if I'm not mistaken is handlebars. Which are more comfortable / better for handling, Harley's apes or BMW's sort-of wide mini apes?
Yes many things are subjective, handlebars included. The BMW bars are actually more comfortable but then someone will swear by apehangers.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Yeah I think those apes would be too tall for my fairly short arms. But they would be great for taller people.
The Heritage is, for me, the least liked of Harley's. But it looks way better than r18.
Do you think it’s the least liked Harley? We haven’t heard that before.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I underline, __for_me__
@@a.borovinskih ahh ok got ya 👍🏼
The R18 has the engine in the way. Thus necessitating the R gear. The Harley is so light and maneuverable without reverse, it doesn't need it.
I’d still like a reverse on my Harley but I get what you’re saying 👍🏼
Forgot to mention, excellent comparison and points! To solve left side view problem for my fxbb i bought a swing arm bag😅
Good stuff! Thank you!
I’m a convert from HD to an R18 (bought it about a month back her in SoCal). The handling of the R18 is what did it for me , but it definitely is a potato vs potatoe decision. Great review guys!
Thanks buddy. How are you getting on with it?
@@MrDarcy-OlMan 600 miles in (it’s my daily rider), just dropped it off for its break-in service. So far I couldn’t be happier, it’s everything an HD / Indian is but has better handling , a bit of German refinement and that engine is always a conversation starter.
@@petersgw Awesome! Great to hear!
The handling of r18 is so unique because of the weight distribution. Like nothing else.
@@duosable I would like to thank everyone's perspectives. At present time I own three bikes that absolutely love. The last three of 85 in my lifetime. I M 70 yrs young. My humble take on the comparisons; I have owned 38 BMWs. Now have the Classic First Edition R18, the 1250 BMW GSA.
And my 2010 Roadking. Owned three new Heritages and three Road Kings. An 18 Street Glide 107 cu in. I mention this for the right to speak out on behalf of these bikes. The personal character of a person spills over on the character of the chosen personalized motorbikes. The R18 has the heritage of our old boxers plus the evolution of the marque. Nothing like it!!! Its in a class by itself. All things considered; a masterpiece that took from any achievements of others and put it all with the craftmanship of its unparalelled engineering. With a few add ons it can be comfortable as a Road King. Which is more at higher speeds than its sister the heritage. Its about personal taste...earned by yrs and hundreds of miles on these iron horses. Bottom line: lets respect and give credit where it is due. Ride your passion. If it is on two wheels..you elevate it to the max. Twins have the best character! They beat more like our hearts. Love the ride you live on and live to ride what you love!
HD. The cylinder protrusion is a game changer for me.
honda goldwing has reverse, out of those two i would have to go with the HD i just cant get over the cylinders sticking out like that, i can't stand mid controls, my legs cramp up.
Great job fellas, I would like to know, which bike has less cornering clearance? Which touches down first? Boards or pegs. And which would the Old Man choose to ride on a tour for a couple weeks holiday?
Cheers 👍👍👍
Thanks buddy. I reckon the Heritage Classic has a bit more cornering clearance. I would actually go for the R 18 for longer tours because the riding position is more comfortable (despite no forward controls).
Always been mostly a Harley guy including a 07 Heritage Classic I had, but I'm really warming up to the BMWs. Really interested in the new R18.
I’ve just bought one after 6 HD’s. Much better put together and more rider options… hill start, reverse, radar cruise control, heated grips etc etc. Most HD’s don’t come with any of these and those options that do you have to upgrade $$$.
Great review fellows! And not being partial to either one was refreshing. Haven’t rode the BMW yet, hopefully they’ll be at Daytona Bike Week next week so I can give it a spin. Already own a Heritage 114 so I know that bike inside out. Will keep you posted on my thoughts!
Thanks buddy. Awesome hopefully you can get a ride on one 🤞
Harley Davidson heritage for me. BMW is beautiful but if I had the choice... Harley Davidson for me.
Thanks Scotty. 👍🏼👍🏼
I thought this was a great review, i’ve had eight Harleys and four BMWs and I just recently rode the R18 with short pipes, loved it! And I also like that it’s different than the cookie cutter Harley bikes
Honestly, i don't like the bulging cylinders, they get in the way if things. Now, comparing the R18 to the heritage is not quite convincing for me, the heritage was made to reflect the classic looks whereas the r18 is more modernized bike, but thats just me.
In any case, personally i didn't like the r18. It looks like a parts bike, parts that don't quite fit, no offense.
Lovely video, cheers guys. Stay safe ride safe.
No problem bro. If we all had the same opinion, life would be dull 👍🏼
I pick the BMW completely!
The Harley to me is the same old same old.
The BMW is old style and new technology.
Thanks for your very informative videos!
Nice Job!
Thanks buddy! Both awesome BMW has something special for sure