On the topic of Hoid Lightweaver oaths, maybe those are why Nomad FINALLY got a real apology from him. Hoid has been forced to confront that aspect of himself and start to change.
@@king_dot I strongly suspect that a) Hoid's penultimate truth is: I did most of it for petty personal reasons b) And the ultimate truth: I'd do it all again for the same reasons
i do think his reasons are very good. My only real question is what the heck he's up to. We never get to see the full picture with ol' Cephandrius.@@oneukum
wild idea: what if canticle is a chrysalis for a splintered shard? like someone is trying to revive a shard by shoving as much investiture into it as possible
I kinda love this. I'm going to have to look for it, but I'm pretty sure there's a wob about reviving splintered shards or something - that it would be very difficult, but not impossible..
Okay but the sun itself clearly has much more investiture and that investitute could be very easily collected. Storing it in a planet is going to be extremely inefficient plus only capture a small portion of the sunlight - most goes into space. So the sun is just a way better battery than the planet.
I'm fine with gravitationspren being the plate spren for Skybreakers. Something about the law, forming societies, and the force of gravity occupies a similar thematic space in my mind; it goes beyond the powerset.
It makes perfect sense to me. Windrunners and Skybreakers both fly like the wind using gravity. One gets windspren and the other gets gravityspren. Windrunners had to get windspren because of the name and because Syl needed to be pretend to be one in the first book.
Highspren appear as a rip in the fabric of space time, so you could link them conceptually in that they have infinite mass (kind of like a concatenation of gravitationspren - or they would attract that).
On the topic of Hoid dating someone who became a Shard, I’m guessing it was Valor. Hoid never reached out to her despite the fact that he was willing to ask Autonomy for help, even when Valor seems to want to talk to Hoid according to Sazed. It could be some awkwardness about how Valor used to be someone he loved.
New headcanon: When they broke up, Hoid got the dog. She's been battling for custody of it ever since. That's what got her attuned to Valor. Hoid does not want to test her now that she's a Shard.
Renarin's weird trick with Moash reminds me of Allomantic Gold/Malatium shadows and how Miles used his. Shallan's trick reminded more about Shai's explanation about how she soulstamped the wall into a mural.
If The Grand Apparatus is a thing made by a shard, I feel like one of the things shards are often styimied by is the limits to their ability to see into the future. So I think The Grand Apparatus is something that either greatly influences cosmic events or greatly improves a shard's ability to see future possibilities. That said, I think there's a faction we don't know about that is trying to reform the shards into one (a la adenolsium) and others (like wit) trying to prevent them. So if I'm placing a bet, it's that The Grand Apparatus is designed to force shards together.
Maybe the reason you want humans on your science experiment (Canticle) is so that it appears in the cognitive realm, because now there's minds thinking about it. That way you can just travel to it in the cognitive and do something Elsecaller-y, instead of mucking about with space travel.
About overcoming torment with a sol stamp: I assume you would just change your history to make it so you never held the dawnshard. That seems most consistent with how normal sol stamps work.
1:41:38 The game that Argent was talking about is called Escape Academy!! I’ve played it, it was on Xbox gamepass, and that particular puzzle was so memorable that I still remember what the final solution was (no spoilers tho :3)
To whoever reads this and knows where to ask Brandon questions - in the Wiki it says that the name Adonalsium is derived from a Hebrew word for God. But if you break it to Adon Al Sium - it means in Hebrew - Lord/Master/(God) (Adon) of (Al) the end/ending (Sium). I wonder if it was on purpose meaning that Adonalsium will return in the end or Brandon just made it up because Alsium sounds cool.
There's a lot of overlap between Transmutation and Progression: one is considered "neutral" change that is typically a complete, all-at-once alteration, while the other is "positive" and usually involves a sequence of smaller changes (however rapid). However, both are still about change, and can likely be used in some similar ways spiritually; Perception and Intent would likely be the biggest differentiators, here. But that would explain to me why both Shallan and Renarin can do similar things: the Resonance between Illumination and Transmutation is similar to the Resonance between Illumination and Progression.
I think Valor is the dragon and vessel that Hoid dated. Based on epigraphs from RoW, like why is he avoiding her if not because they’re exes… “Valor is reasonable, and suggest you approach her again. It has been too long, in her estimation, since your last conversation."
My theory is that Atium changes the 'polarity" of a metal. So on its own, maybe, it doesn't do anything. My basis for this is that that's basically what it did to electrum. Instead of showing the user their own future, Atium made it so it shows the user a target's future. So, for example, maybe an Atium-Steel alloy would make a target repel metals since Steel makes metals move away from the user.
That is interesting, I've been trying to think about the base properties of atium for a bit and my prevailing theory was that it acted as a sort of spiritual version of the metal it was alloyed with. This is because my original understanding of why atium worked the way it did was because seeing the future with that level of accuracy is one of the signature abilities of a shard. So the inversion theory is interesting, but I think it might be a little more than that considering how starkly different atium is from electrum.
10:00 Valour. Come on. She still is missing him. 16:00 So how does she become immortal? 28:30 A Shard has the Investiture in enormous quantities. A Shard does not need to collect Investiture. And even if it did, that setup wastes almost all of it. You'd build a hollow shell. Why use a sun for that?
How does the Admiral become immortal? Breath? Becoming an Elantrian? Or ... something we don't even know about yet? Maybe she impressed Honor so much she became a Herald. (OK, no, probably not.)
27:39 Felt almost like a prison to me. All that Investiture is going to maintain some binding or other, and/or sustaining the prisoner within. And it's otherwise inhospitable because it was never meant for Physical Realm habitation.
I like the idea that Canticle is a battery. The odd investiture cycle keeps the investiture cycling so it doesn't become sapient. That makes the most sense to me.
That is interesting but I think the fact that the shards of Adonalsium needed someone to control them afterwards is a small point against this. The shards already have intent, and if they existed without a vessel before why would they need them now? This might be a completely wrong interpretation but that's just my thought process. I do think the idea that Adonalsium is some sort of living substance that has no vessel is very interesting. If this is true maybe "Adonalsiumium" has something to do with why dragonsteel is so coveted. I'm just doing random speculation now but I do find your theory very interesting.
@@avonzapper last thing I wanted to add, what came first? The power or the vessel? Did a god like vessel always exist or was it more like mother nature, just nature acting in it’s unstoppable order and chaos
Highspren being tied to a fundamental natural law of the world doesn't seem to out of place to me, considering the fact that the connection between windspren and honor spren is pretty out of nowhere as it is.
I might be misremembering my relativity, but I'm pretty sure FTL is only a big threat to causality if there's no "preferred reference frame". Which, in the cosmere, there arguable is: the Spiritual Realm. Anything that *would* break causality has already been mediated by the Spiritual Realm to not do that.
But there also can't really *be* a "preferred reference frame" because relativity is weird. Basically he just needs to make sure his handwavium is airtight.
FTL travel by any method allows for causality violation, because it allows for time travel into the past. Brandon has repeatedly refused to rule out pastward time travel.
I think it is Dharati( it means earth or soil in many Indian languages). You can pronounce it as "the- rati". If your spelling is correct and it is dahatri then it Can be related to atri the sage in Indian mythology.
In regards to the Hoid havibg dated a Dragon. Why not Frost? Yes, Hoid appears to be straight so far.. But isn't he essentially a bard? An immortal bard that wonders around the Cosmere collecting things. Why not collecting sexualities as he goes along. He certainly has the time for experimentation
@@jacobbrozenick8366 That's plenty true! But, us gays are greedy! You see, we aren't very used to having a lot of characters that actually represent us in fiction, so, often, whenever we get "the vibe" from a character , fans will often make them gay in their headcannon and slashfics and "claim" them so to speak. It's been going on since Kirk/Spock back in the day and, honestly, probably MUCH longer. It's like how Sanderson wasn't intentionally writing Jasnah as Ace at first but after so many Ace fans got an Ace vibe from her, Sanderson decided he liked it, thought it made sense, and decided to canonize it! Now, I don't think that will happen with Hoid. Hoid is one of his oldest and most dear characters. He knows who Hoid is. But, people love the stories so much that they can't help but hypothesize about them and make up their own versions of the characters to have fun with!
On the topic of Hoid Lightweaver oaths, maybe those are why Nomad FINALLY got a real apology from him. Hoid has been forced to confront that aspect of himself and start to change.
Truths need to be honest. Change is not required.
@@oneukumSelf-honestly causes change, doesn’t need to be a requirement.
@@king_dot I strongly suspect that
a) Hoid's penultimate truth is: I did most of it for petty personal reasons
b) And the ultimate truth: I'd do it all again for the same reasons
i do think his reasons are very good. My only real question is what the heck he's up to. We never get to see the full picture with ol' Cephandrius.@@oneukum
wild idea: what if canticle is a chrysalis for a splintered shard? like someone is trying to revive a shard by shoving as much investiture into it as possible
I kinda love this. I'm going to have to look for it, but I'm pretty sure there's a wob about reviving splintered shards or something - that it would be very difficult, but not impossible..
I wonder if it’s more a Chrysalis to make Ado 2
If the investiture on the planet is sourced from the sun, I still don't think its enough to bring forth a shard. Maybe its a giant battery.
Okay but the sun itself clearly has much more investiture and that investitute could be very easily collected. Storing it in a planet is going to be extremely inefficient plus only capture a small portion of the sunlight - most goes into space. So the sun is just a way better battery than the planet.
I'm fine with gravitationspren being the plate spren for Skybreakers. Something about the law, forming societies, and the force of gravity occupies a similar thematic space in my mind; it goes beyond the powerset.
kind of a "gravity is a universal law" kind of thing, same.
It makes perfect sense to me. Windrunners and Skybreakers both fly like the wind using gravity. One gets windspren and the other gets gravityspren. Windrunners had to get windspren because of the name and because Syl needed to be pretend to be one in the first book.
Highspren appear as a rip in the fabric of space time, so you could link them conceptually in that they have infinite mass (kind of like a concatenation of gravitationspren - or they would attract that).
I think you did a great job pronouncing my unpronounceable name, Argent! Sorry to put you (and the audio listeners) through that 😅
Bro, I just finished The Lost Metal TODAY for the FOURTH TIME and I still had no idea who Ruri was
On the topic of Hoid dating someone who became a Shard, I’m guessing it was Valor. Hoid never reached out to her despite the fact that he was willing to ask Autonomy for help, even when Valor seems to want to talk to Hoid according to Sazed. It could be some awkwardness about how Valor used to be someone he loved.
So basically..Valor is a dragon confirmed?
New headcanon: When they broke up, Hoid got the dog. She's been battling for custody of it ever since. That's what got her attuned to Valor. Hoid does not want to test her now that she's a Shard.
sp basically, the story about the dog and the dragon?
I think it's Cultivation. "She and I never did get along" still reads like bad breakup more than anything else to me.
Renarin's weird trick with Moash reminds me of Allomantic Gold/Malatium shadows and how Miles used his. Shallan's trick reminded more about Shai's explanation about how she soulstamped the wall into a mural.
If The Grand Apparatus is a thing made by a shard, I feel like one of the things shards are often styimied by is the limits to their ability to see into the future. So I think The Grand Apparatus is something that either greatly influences cosmic events or greatly improves a shard's ability to see future possibilities.
That said, I think there's a faction we don't know about that is trying to reform the shards into one (a la adenolsium) and others (like wit) trying to prevent them. So if I'm placing a bet, it's that The Grand Apparatus is designed to force shards together.
"Grand Apparatus" feels like a steampunk invention. But its description feels like a Type II Civilization sci-fi setting.
The name has me speculating on possible cosmere races that could be callbacks to the mechanicus of mars.
Maybe the reason you want humans on your science experiment (Canticle) is so that it appears in the cognitive realm, because now there's minds thinking about it. That way you can just travel to it in the cognitive and do something Elsecaller-y, instead of mucking about with space travel.
As far as Sunlit Man. The mini planet feels more like a prison. The changing nature of the molten surface could be keeping something in.
About overcoming torment with a sol stamp: I assume you would just change your history to make it so you never held the dawnshard. That seems most consistent with how normal sol stamps work.
There are some inherent benefits to having been a dawnshard bearer that I think you wouldn't want to get rid of. Like Nomad's skip ability.
"Sometimes you get nicer when you're dead" is the plot of my recent Heathers fics.
I think I’ve read that one lol
@@Halrax_38 Oh? That’d be quite the coincidence. Which do you think it is?
1:41:38
The game that Argent was talking about is called Escape Academy!! I’ve played it, it was on Xbox gamepass, and that particular puzzle was so memorable that I still remember what the final solution was (no spoilers tho :3)
I imagine that Aviar are like birds. How many bird species are there? Relative to human imagination, the number is effectively infinite.
38:35 Baby Shard Tututurutu 🎶
Baby shard doo doo doo doo doo doo baby shard
I am so happy to see this video today. I think you are my favorite youtubers.
To whoever reads this and knows where to ask Brandon questions - in the Wiki it says that the name Adonalsium is derived from a Hebrew word for God. But if you break it to Adon Al Sium - it means in Hebrew - Lord/Master/(God) (Adon) of (Al) the end/ending (Sium). I wonder if it was on purpose meaning that Adonalsium will return in the end or Brandon just made it up because Alsium sounds cool.
Master of the ending? If this is the literal meaning then it supports my big theory with this being and the shattering.
@@UnalloyedLore That's the literal meaning, the question is if Brandon did it on purpose
What if the grand apparatus is something used by odium to shatter/kill shards
Oooo that would be interesting, do you think it would be before or after the stormlight books?
@@prestonc9059 maybe back half
There's a lot of overlap between Transmutation and Progression: one is considered "neutral" change that is typically a complete, all-at-once alteration, while the other is "positive" and usually involves a sequence of smaller changes (however rapid). However, both are still about change, and can likely be used in some similar ways spiritually; Perception and Intent would likely be the biggest differentiators, here. But that would explain to me why both Shallan and Renarin can do similar things: the Resonance between Illumination and Transmutation is similar to the Resonance between Illumination and Progression.
I think Valor is the dragon and vessel that Hoid dated. Based on epigraphs from RoW, like why is he avoiding her if not because they’re exes… “Valor is reasonable, and suggest you approach her again. It has been too long, in her estimation, since your last conversation."
My theory is that Atium changes the 'polarity" of a metal. So on its own, maybe, it doesn't do anything. My basis for this is that that's basically what it did to electrum. Instead of showing the user their own future, Atium made it so it shows the user a target's future.
So, for example, maybe an Atium-Steel alloy would make a target repel metals since Steel makes metals move away from the user.
That is interesting, I've been trying to think about the base properties of atium for a bit and my prevailing theory was that it acted as a sort of spiritual version of the metal it was alloyed with. This is because my original understanding of why atium worked the way it did was because seeing the future with that level of accuracy is one of the signature abilities of a shard. So the inversion theory is interesting, but I think it might be a little more than that considering how starkly different atium is from electrum.
im not going to say this line up is goated, but its goated.
10:00 Valour. Come on. She still is missing him.
16:00 So how does she become immortal?
28:30 A Shard has the Investiture in enormous quantities. A Shard does not need to collect Investiture. And even if it did, that setup wastes almost all of it. You'd build a hollow shell. Why use a sun for that?
How does the Admiral become immortal? Breath? Becoming an Elantrian? Or ... something we don't even know about yet? Maybe she impressed Honor so much she became a Herald. (OK, no, probably not.)
@@carl11547 I mean, we aren't very clear on the threnody timeline. Maybe she isn't immortal.
@@carl11547 That replaces one unknown with another. Threnody has no perpendicularity. How would she import Breaths?
Jofwu do be sporting the Illianer beard! By my aged grandmother
Fortune prick me, but I do.
27:39 Felt almost like a prison to me. All that Investiture is going to maintain some binding or other, and/or sustaining the prisoner within. And it's otherwise inhospitable because it was never meant for Physical Realm habitation.
I like the idea that Canticle is a battery. The odd investiture cycle keeps the investiture cycling so it doesn't become sapient. That makes the most sense to me.
2:23 - elsecallers can make star gates, cool!
I am officially on the Edgli-Hoid ship, it would just be so funny, if you are a true believer it even fits with the dating a Dragon
P
Relating to the Admiral, modern Earth militaries are heavily reliant on both ocean ships and space ships (GPS satellites).
For the Who's that Cosmere character before the final clue I thought it was Alliandre, so I was close
Has anyone considered that adonalsium might not have had a vessel at all. The name ends in “ium”, the common word ending of a god metal
It could have just been something in the order of evolution, chaotic and uncontrolled
That is interesting but I think the fact that the shards of Adonalsium needed someone to control them afterwards is a small point against this. The shards already have intent, and if they existed without a vessel before why would they need them now? This might be a completely wrong interpretation but that's just my thought process. I do think the idea that Adonalsium is some sort of living substance that has no vessel is very interesting. If this is true maybe "Adonalsiumium" has something to do with why dragonsteel is so coveted. I'm just doing random speculation now but I do find your theory very interesting.
@@avonzapper perhaps the previous name for adonalsium was dragonsteel?
@@avonzapper last thing I wanted to add, what came first? The power or the vessel? Did a god like vessel always exist or was it more like mother nature, just nature acting in it’s unstoppable order and chaos
Wasn't "The Grand Apparatus" the official name of the big machine in "The Death Gate Cycle"? The one the dwarves called the Kicksy-whimsy.
I always enjoy WoB episodes!
maybe since virtuosity splintered herself nearby cantacle is trying to absorb the splinters?
did that happen near Canticle? I thought it was close to Nikaro and Yumi's world.
@@UnalloyedLore shit the 3 Cosmere books in a year missed with me ya it was near that planet
Came for the Grand Apparatus, stayed for the stick.
What if Canticle is someone trying to absorb enough energy to create the long-awaited 17th shard? Kinda like what that other comment said ^^
39:30
A Shard cloning itself??
I came here to ask Argent what the escape room show he is watching. it sound really cool!
I don't remember mentioning a show, I am just a fan of escape rooms 😅
More pan Hoid please.
That WTCC was brutal. Even knowing her name I had to look her up.
Highspren being tied to a fundamental natural law of the world doesn't seem to out of place to me, considering the fact that the connection between windspren and honor spren is pretty out of nowhere as it is.
I might be misremembering my relativity, but I'm pretty sure FTL is only a big threat to causality if there's no "preferred reference frame". Which, in the cosmere, there arguable is: the Spiritual Realm. Anything that *would* break causality has already been mediated by the Spiritual Realm to not do that.
But there also can't really *be* a "preferred reference frame" because relativity is weird. Basically he just needs to make sure his handwavium is airtight.
FTL travel by any method allows for causality violation, because it allows for time travel into the past. Brandon has repeatedly refused to rule out pastward time travel.
"this is fine" 😂
How much do you want to bet that that Vessel Hoid dated is (WAT spoilers)
Valor. Medelantorius. She's both a dragon and a vessel.
Oh, 100% in my book. -Eric
Whimsy for hoid ex starts campaigning now
Hoid's old flame has to be proto-Virtuosity. I mean, he, aside from maybe Shallan and Painter, is the protagonist most devoted to the creative arts.
I think it is Dharati( it means earth or soil in many Indian languages).
You can pronounce it as "the- rati".
If your spelling is correct and it is dahatri then it Can be related to atri the sage in Indian mythology.
Mercy could be in the core of Canticle healing from her wound from the fight with Odium and Ambition
12:15 The aether world name could be Dharti, which means earth. It could also be the Sanskrit root word, Dharitri.
I personally think gravitationspren is perfect, gravity is a Law after all
Grand apparatus is a Dyson sphere might be canticle
In regards to the Hoid havibg dated a Dragon. Why not Frost?
Yes, Hoid appears to be straight so far.. But isn't he essentially a bard? An immortal bard that wonders around the Cosmere collecting things. Why not collecting sexualities as he goes along. He certainly has the time for experimentation
Who's Ruri? Who's Alliandre??
Do you think that Brandon watches these WOB videos and laughs like a super villain?
I am a stick!
631 !!!!
First one here?
CAW
Why is it unfortunate that Hoid isn’t pan?
Cuz, it'd be fun and it'd fit with his whimsical character.
I’m sure he can be plenty whimsical as a straight guy.
@@jacobbrozenick8366 That's plenty true! But, us gays are greedy!
You see, we aren't very used to having a lot of characters that actually represent us in fiction, so, often, whenever we get "the vibe" from a character , fans will often make them gay in their headcannon and slashfics and "claim" them so to speak.
It's been going on since Kirk/Spock back in the day and, honestly, probably MUCH longer.
It's like how Sanderson wasn't intentionally writing Jasnah as Ace at first but after so many Ace fans got an Ace vibe from her, Sanderson decided he liked it, thought it made sense, and decided to canonize it!
Now, I don't think that will happen with Hoid. Hoid is one of his oldest and most dear characters. He knows who Hoid is.
But, people love the stories so much that they can't help but hypothesize about them and make up their own versions of the characters to have fun with!