Dave thank you... It's very informative on such a short time period I learned something every day I enjoy your program enjoy your videos very nice gentleman thank you and presented very well with explanations like a little few minutes educational course with fun thank you Mr Dave God bless you and God bless Cumberland mine railroad
You are certainly welcome Roy, glad to hear you enjoyed and we do want to say how much we appreciate your writing in and for watching the video my friend.
Lol, our shims were all plywood of different sizes. The track raising machine had three of those little buggies out front. You had to walk along with it and kneel over the tracks to see how high the tracks needed raised. Then wave your hand and then the operator would level it and then tamp it.. Move 3 ties up and repeat.
David, as far as i know, oak is the wood of choice. Building bridges especially over public roads is not the place you would want to skimp on materials. There is a lot of responsibility and liability for a railroad that goes over public roads. Great question and thak you for watchingvand asking
Fabulous. This is my favorite bridge on the railway for a couple of reasons: it's the longest AND it's right next to the White Covered Bridge! Thanks for showing that bridge, too! I learn a lot from these videos.
@@ccrx6700 Hard to say . . . I've gotten all of them in Greene County. But the White Covered Bridge is my most photographed! i got a couple from when I was on the train with Rodney.
Daryl, yes sir, all of our bridges that cross public roads have the guard rails except for this one, and i don't know why they were taken off. Thank you for yourcomment and for watching
So are the bridge timbers actually attached to the steel girders anywhere other than where the "J" bolts are for the long ones that support the cross walk? Do they just rest on the girders or are they attached somehow?
Timbers just lay on hridge girders, j bolts lock them down, the bridge guards on the top of the timbers and are on the outside of them are lagged down into the timbers to keep the timbers from getting skewed. You saw some of the timbers on that vid that weren,t lagged down and that were already skewed. Since that vid we came back, straightened the timbers and lagged them down
No bridge guard rails so this is freight only, 10MPH or less. Notches or grooves cut into the bottom of the bridge ties are called 'daps'. A dapping schedule for a bridge is a summary of all the special cuts required for the ties to lock them onto the steel bridge stringers, accommodate rivets and bolts above the top flange of the stringers and maintain or create an even surface over uneven stringer heights.
Another Excellent comment! Thank you for your additions. I did not know about dapping schedule, although i did know bout the dspping tool used to cut the timbers
I'm real late seeing this vid, but it is another great one. I've definitely never examined RR bridge construction in that detail. In my younger days I did use to fabricate those bridge girders. That's about as close as I got to it I guess 👍😊
There used to be a covered bridge in Scott county TN. It burned down back in the 80s. Apparently some idiot decided that a campfire in the middle of the bridge was good idea. But that was before my time.
There was also a second covered bridge to left of this one about a half mile down the road, on a different road, that met with the same demise. It is sad, these are a unique part of our history. Thanks for watching the video and hope you will want to see more of them sometime
Once again Dave, good and interesting. I decided to Google Earth your railroad. Quite a twisty line. Resl interesting. I assume the curves are numberef from the mine towards the river?
Great question! Wish I had thought of that when I made the movie. Appalachian timber is the company we get them from. They have all the original engineering drawings for each of our bridges. They do the dapping of the timbers at their mill. Dapping is what they call the process of cutting out a notch. The machine they use to do this is called a dapping machine or dapper.
I'd like to know how you work on a bridge or trestle when there's no walkway or sides at all, just the bare tracks. That must be like doing a high wire act
(I love covered bridges - thanks for the info.) Wouldn't be more expedient if the bridge was assembled somewhere off to the side and replaced in sections? Just curious - I enjoy your channel and want to absorb everything I can.
That ONE skew. Bummerness. That bridge deck looks great overall, however! That creosote coat: Not only quite protective but gives the whole thing a LOT of "pop".
it's fixed now Eric, they didn't have the bridge guard timbers in yet when I took that. Yep I like black bridge color too. Thanks for watching my good man.
David, that's neat, up until several years ago NS had a good bit of traffic thru Waynesburg, anymore it's lucky to 1 train every 4 hours or so, I remember when it wasn't unusual to see 2 or more trains an hour. My neighbor loads trains at Bailey, he used to do 3 unit trains an 8 hour shift, it's slowed down considerable lately
Hey there Dave. I've been watching your videos for some time now and really enjoy your content. If you ever need bridge or even track engineering/consulting, just let me know. We do some work on the RJC lines up in PA. Thank you, sir.
Awesome Ross. Bridge 11 is on a 9 degree curve, rail is spiked down. Would a better option be when we replace the timbers to use Pandrol clips on the bridge timbers? With spikes the high side keeps wanting to push out and thus pull spikes up.
@@ccrx6700 That's a great point. I have worked on a few bridges with a fair amount of superelevation, but I haven't come across one with Pandrol clips. That's definitely something worth considering.
@@ccrx6700 What I have seen though, is a lag screw used in a spike hole with a couple of washers. But that may have been because they had ran out of spikes lol.
Love watching your videos. I don’t see it on this bridge, I usually on others. I am wondering what the extra rail or rail like pieces are that are between the rails are called and what do they do?
Thanks Todd and great to hear you are enjoying the home movies, we so appreciate your support. Very good question. Those rails in between the rails are called guard rails, some old railroaders called them Jordan Rails, our friends across the ocean call them check rails. They are there in case of a car wheel getting off track and the theory behind the guard rails is they will help keep the derailed car on the bridge and prevent it from falling over the side. Not all our bridges have them, they were not put on this bridge when the deck was rebuilt, long story why, but it's unfortionate they were not. All our bridges once had them on there.
You've probably covered this in one of your videos I've not found yet, but what's the purpose of the little trolley on a long pole in front of (behind?) the tamper?
That is called a light carriage or some call it a light buggy, it sends a light beam back to a receiver on the tamper, some day am gonna make a vid and explain how it works, but very good question sir, sorry for the truncated answer, there's a lot to explain, thanks for watching
I didn't think that cut spikes and plates were still being used other than special work (hook plates etc). Any reason your company isn't using pandrol plates, screw spikes and e clips ?
When the track was built in 1975/76 it was all spikes, to change over now would be a phenomenal expense and work, imagine having to hand jack track, pull out spikes, pull out old plates, put in new plates, drive in clips and do that for 17 miles. It just ain't gonna happen here, they don't have enough money to do all that.
Very good question Steve and one in which I had an accurate answer, however we've never really done a study on that, they do seem to last a good long time. Hardest thing on them is when the bridge timbers get soft, that allows the rail to move up and down creating an unwanted force against those pads. We seem to replace bridge decks about once every 25 years or so, sorry I could not have given an exact life expectancy
What would they guard against? There's a railing on the side where personnel walk but, if a 150-ton locomotive decides it wants to go sideways, you can't really stop it.
Excellent observation sir! Contractor did not put in the Jordan rails, however it has been my strong suggestion since this goes over a public road that we get them in place. hopefully that will be done soon. Appreciate your watching
No guard rails on the bridge, what gives? Why are there guard rails on tracks over a bridge? Draw bridges I understand; swing bridges, too. Alignment of the rails at the draw; I get that. Other bridges, though, I don't understand. I know you know. Thanks! Happy rails & may the HERZOG be with you!
Excellent question Ted. When they built our RR back in 1975/76, all the bridges had guard rails. Over the years when bridge decks got replaced, our old track boss didn't have them reinstall the guard rails and I don't know why he didn't do that. Some bridges we have still have the guard rails on them. Guard rails are sometimes called Jordan rails by some older railroaders and our neighbors across the ocean call them check rails. They are in place in case a car jumps track, theory is the guard rails will help keep the cars on the bridge deck and not fall over the side of the bridge. Appreciate your writing in and for watching my friend.
The content of this channel is awesome! Thank you for the education in railroad construction!
Kevin, thank you, really glad you are enjoying
Ditto!
Thank you for giving price quotes, almost no one talks about that.
Your welcome, everything on the railroad is expensive. Thank you for watching
oh man they did one hell of a bridge job!
Is there anything more American than railroading? It's great to see the enthusiasm you put into your job.
I like that Rupert! America was built on the RR's, thanks for the nice comment
Why don’t any Other RUclipsrs show us the Ins & Outs ? Because they’re NOT “ccrx 6700”. 😬👍
Ken, well thank you very much. Very nice of you to say that.
Dave thank you... It's very informative on such a short time period I learned something every day I enjoy your program enjoy your videos very nice gentleman thank you and presented very well with explanations like a little few minutes educational course with fun thank you Mr Dave God bless you and God bless Cumberland mine railroad
You are certainly welcome Roy, glad to hear you enjoyed and we
do want to say how much we appreciate your writing in and
for watching the video my friend.
They did some wonderful work, i liked what they did over the road that's a cool idea.
Yes William, was a good job
Thank you for your time to speak and show how railway tracks are put in place.
Watch your videos and learn, or not and remain stupid.
I like learning.
Lol, our shims were all plywood of different sizes. The track raising machine had three of those little buggies out front. You had to walk along with it and kneel over the tracks to see how high the tracks needed raised. Then wave your hand and then the operator would level it and then tamp it.. Move 3 ties up and repeat.
Ah yes, the good old days of track work. We used have use track jacks out ahead of an old Fairmont to lift track. Like this 6700 a whole lot better
Don't know how I missed this one. Nice job., Interesting...
Thank you Wayne, really glad you enjoyed the show today. We do
appreciate your checking it out my friend.
Really cool stuff man, I click real fast whenever I see you post a video now.
Real Nice Job Look Like a Nice Day.
Thanks Derrick. So nice of you to visit with us today and
take in the presentation my friend.
Big Difference between your Railroad and Class I Railroads is your Employees actually Work.😬👍
I don't know. I worked for a Class 1 railroad and we did actually work. Most everything was done by hand.
Thanks Dave, another really interesting video, a bit short for dinner!!🥶
Your welcome Annette. Tomorrow's video will be much
longer so plan for a 3 course meal. Thanks so much for
watching my friend.
I love to learn more stuff about trains from the TRAIN MAN! THANKS!
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying these
Someone told me they only use solid oak for bridge ties, is that true? If so it would probably explain the price tag on those. Not cheap!
David, as far as i know, oak is the wood of choice. Building bridges especially over public roads is not the place you would want to skimp on materials. There is a lot of responsibility and liability for a railroad that goes over public roads. Great question and thak you for watchingvand asking
Your videos are so informative. Very!
Thank you Andy, glad you are enjoying them 😊 appreciate your watching
that's a strong bridge and beautiful country, thank you sir!
Thank you David, it the longest bridge we have, appreciate your
watching sir
Fabulous. This is my favorite bridge on the railway for a couple of reasons: it's the longest AND it's right next to the White Covered Bridge! Thanks for showing that bridge, too! I learn a lot from these videos.
Your welcome Pete! Wonder how many times you've photographed
those covered bridges
@@ccrx6700 Hard to say . . . I've gotten all of them in Greene County. But the White Covered Bridge is my most photographed! i got a couple from when I was on the train with Rodney.
some bridges have a pair of check rails which prevent a derailing train from falling off the bridge.
Daryl, yes sir, all of our bridges that cross public roads have the guard rails except for this one, and i don't know why they were taken off. Thank you for yourcomment and for watching
Really appreciate you making these vids!
Great video , very informative
Mark, thank you glad you liked it
So are the bridge timbers actually attached to the steel girders anywhere other than where the "J" bolts are for the long ones that support the cross walk? Do they just rest on the girders or are they attached somehow?
Timbers just lay on hridge girders, j bolts lock them down, the bridge guards on the top of the timbers and are on the outside of them are lagged down into the timbers to keep the timbers from getting skewed. You saw some of the timbers on that vid that weren,t lagged down and that were already skewed. Since that vid we came back, straightened the timbers and lagged them down
No bridge guard rails so this is freight only, 10MPH or less.
Notches or grooves cut into the bottom of the bridge ties are called 'daps'. A dapping schedule for a bridge is a summary of all the special cuts required for the ties to lock them onto the steel bridge stringers, accommodate rivets and bolts above the top flange of the stringers and maintain or create an even surface over uneven stringer heights.
Tie spacing is typically maintained by creosoted spacer blocks nailed to the sides of the ties across the length of the structure.
Another Excellent comment! Thank you for your additions. I did not know about dapping schedule, although i did know bout the dspping tool used to cut the timbers
How do you drive a spike on a bridge when you have to stand on the outside of the rail to do so? One of the rails looks pretty close to the edge.
Good question, answer is you dont, gotta stand where its safe on bridge decks. Thanks for watching
another great video
So pleased to learn you enjoyed the show Jason, thanks for tuning
in today my friend.
@@ccrx6700 I am always looking forward to your next video there always great
I'm real late seeing this vid, but it is another great one. I've definitely never examined RR bridge construction in that detail. In my younger days I did use to fabricate those bridge girders. That's about as close as I got to it I guess 👍😊
Better late than never, good thing You Tube likes to keep videos and
not delete them. Appreciate your watching
There used to be a covered bridge in Scott county TN. It burned down back in the 80s. Apparently some idiot decided that a campfire in the middle of the bridge was good idea. But that was before my time.
There was also a second covered bridge to left of this one about
a half mile down the road, on a different road, that met with the same demise. It is sad, these are a unique part of our history. Thanks for watching the video and hope you will want to see more of them sometime
Love the covered bridge. There's one not far from my house here in southern Wisconsin.
Awesome, we got a good many here, pretty special, thanks for watching the video, hope you enjoyed
This is a good Video Like it
Once again Dave, good and interesting. I decided to Google Earth your railroad. Quite a twisty line. Resl interesting. I assume the curves are numberef from the mine towards the river?
Is the notching of the ties done on-site during assembly or do they come that way, ready to install?
Great question! Wish I had thought of that when I made the movie.
Appalachian timber is the company we get them from. They have all the original engineering drawings for each of our bridges. They do the dapping of the timbers at their mill.
Dapping is what they call the process of cutting out a notch. The machine they use to do this is called a dapping machine or dapper.
I'd like to know how you work on a bridge or trestle when there's no walkway or sides at all, just the bare tracks. That must be like doing a high wire act
Very Carefully my friend, very carefully, safety on bridges is a vital
concern.
(I love covered bridges - thanks for the info.)
Wouldn't be more expedient if the bridge was assembled somewhere off to the side and replaced in sections? Just curious - I enjoy your channel and want to absorb everything I can.
That ONE skew. Bummerness. That bridge deck looks great overall, however! That creosote coat: Not only quite protective but gives the whole thing a LOT of "pop".
it's fixed now Eric, they didn't have the bridge guard timbers in
yet when I took that. Yep I like black bridge color too. Thanks for
watching my good man.
Good morning to you. 1/20/2022.
I used to rail buff that area and up to the Bailey mine not to the mine itself.
David, that's neat, up until several years ago NS had a good bit of
traffic thru Waynesburg, anymore it's lucky to 1 train every 4 hours or
so, I remember when it wasn't unusual to see 2 or more trains an hour. My neighbor loads trains at Bailey, he used to do 3 unit trains
an 8 hour shift, it's slowed down considerable lately
Hey there Dave. I've been watching your videos for some time now and really enjoy your content. If you ever need bridge or even track engineering/consulting, just let me know. We do some work on the RJC lines up in PA. Thank you, sir.
Awesome Ross. Bridge 11 is on a 9 degree curve, rail is spiked
down. Would a better option be when we replace the timbers
to use Pandrol clips on the bridge timbers? With spikes the high
side keeps wanting to push out and thus pull spikes up.
@@ccrx6700 That's a great point. I have worked on a few bridges with a fair amount of superelevation, but I haven't come across one with Pandrol clips. That's definitely something worth considering.
@@ccrx6700 What I have seen though, is a lag screw used in a spike hole with a couple of washers. But that may have been because they had ran out of spikes lol.
@@rossarmstrong2682 😊👍
Love watching your videos. I don’t see it on this bridge, I usually on others. I am wondering what the extra rail or rail like pieces are that are between the rails are called and what do they do?
Thanks Todd and great to hear you are enjoying the home movies,
we so appreciate your support. Very good question. Those rails
in between the rails are called guard rails, some old railroaders
called them Jordan Rails, our friends across the ocean call them
check rails.
They are there in case of a car wheel getting off track and the theory
behind the guard rails is they will help keep the derailed car on
the bridge and prevent it from falling over the side. Not all our
bridges have them, they were not put on this bridge when the
deck was rebuilt, long story why, but it's unfortionate they
were not. All our bridges once had them on there.
I wonder if they ever tried to make ties from recycled tires? They make hard parking blocks from it l just wonder if it's been tried
Albert, never heard of that, but maybe somewhere they do. They do make composite ties which are pretty hard and pretty expensive. Thans for watching
What kind of wood is it that's a lot green stuff.
Kenn, oak is the wood of choice for bridge timbers
You've probably covered this in one of your videos I've not found yet, but what's the purpose of the little trolley on a long pole in front of (behind?) the tamper?
That is called a light carriage or some call it a light buggy, it
sends a light beam back to a receiver on the tamper, some day
am gonna make a vid and explain how it works, but very good
question sir, sorry for the truncated answer, there's a lot to
explain, thanks for watching
@@ccrx6700 Thanks! That's really helpful -- I'll look forward to the video.
@@beeble2003 👌
Shouldn't there be an inner parallel rail at both sides. For going over a bridge?
I was wondering where the bridge guard was as well.
I didn't think that cut spikes and plates were still being used other than special work (hook plates etc). Any reason your company isn't using pandrol plates, screw spikes and e clips ?
cut spikes are cooler
When the track was built in 1975/76 it was all spikes, to change over now would be a phenomenal expense and work, imagine
having to hand jack track, pull out spikes, pull out old plates,
put in new plates, drive in clips and do that for 17 miles. It just
ain't gonna happen here, they don't have enough money to do
all that.
Hey Dave, what's the life expectancy of those rubber pads?
Very good question Steve and one in which I had an accurate
answer, however we've never really done a study on that, they do
seem to last a good long time. Hardest thing on them is when the
bridge timbers get soft, that allows the rail to move up and down
creating an unwanted force against those pads. We seem to
replace bridge decks about once every 25 years or so, sorry I
could not have given an exact life expectancy
Is this Allegany county Maryland. I live next to Green ridge state forest.
No, Greene County, PA.
What state and town?
Garards Fort, Pa.
No need for guard rails?
What would they guard against? There's a railing on the side where personnel walk but, if a 150-ton locomotive decides it wants to go sideways, you can't really stop it.
No bridge guard ??
Excellent observation sir! Contractor did not put in the Jordan
rails, however it has been my strong suggestion since this
goes over a public road that we get them in place. hopefully
that will be done soon. Appreciate your watching
No guard rails on the bridge, what gives? Why are there guard rails on tracks over a bridge?
Draw bridges I understand; swing bridges, too. Alignment of the rails at the draw; I get that. Other bridges, though, I don't understand.
I know you know.
Thanks!
Happy rails & may the HERZOG be with you!
Excellent question Ted. When they built our RR back in 1975/76, all
the bridges had guard rails. Over the years when bridge decks got
replaced, our old track boss didn't have them reinstall the guard rails
and I don't know why he didn't do that. Some bridges we have still have
the guard rails on them.
Guard rails are sometimes called Jordan rails by some older
railroaders and our neighbors across the ocean call them check rails.
They are in place in case a car jumps track, theory is the guard
rails will help keep the cars on the bridge deck and not fall over
the side of the bridge.
Appreciate your writing in and for watching my friend.
@@ccrx6700 absolutely! You do well explaining the rails. Most informative!
Happy rails!
@@majikglustik9704 thank you Ted 😊
GPS Coordinates of this Bridge
Gerald, sorry, i have no idea sir. To the right is Garards Fort road, the covered bridge is Whites if that helps
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