Jon, your channel is just so super helpful! Just seeing these comments has healed something in me. I no longer feel blocked or emotional about it but see it through a more rational lens. Thank you!
Holy shit, there's a podcast where S1gns Of L1fe and Jon Audio talk about music production and I've only just learned about it. Damnit, there are only 19 episodes and the last one was posted in August. These are two people whose words mean a hell of a lot in my quest to create music that's similar to theirs.
I appreciate what you're doing here Jon, taking these reddit posts and using them as reference points to talk about the more tumultuous emotional facets of music-making. I hope you continue making more videos like this.
The things you're telling here are very true. For example: I listened to your song you referenced in this video and I found it quite uninspiring. However, I listened to your improvisations with the Atomika synthesizer and I was truely impressed. I was thinking: wow, why doesn't he make a song out of this? That's just me and my silly preference. The odds thay your own family likes the art you're making are very slim indeed.
This is something that I've felt a lot as a game designer. Having to seek out players for a game or supplement I've worked hard to create is always a pain, and it can feel invalidating when those close to you are quick to dismiss work you've created. At the same time, I've found wonderful pieces that were either made by a friend at the gym or dug up from a friend's roommate in a bizarre locale. Where you discover something really does matter when making a connection.
I'm playing in a band, and I'm trying to do something on my own. These 2 things are totally different for me. First, our band was heard by a lot of people already (we had chance to play on some festivals, and people usually really like our music, even if we are still not very known band), but whatever I did by my own (not much , mostly electronic related music), had really limited audience. What is funny, my parents pushed me to finish music school and I have graduated, but then I had very long break (over 10 years), come back to music and now with the band I mentioned, we are almost done with our second album. When I visited my mother and family on Christmas, nobody even asked me, how my band is going. Nobody cares. And when Im trying to tell something about the band to my mother, she is saying something like there are other aspect of live that I should focus now. Maybe she is proud somehow, but we are not her music target, I dont know. At least I know, whenever we are playing, got some audience and its means something for me.
I have a very small RUclips channel for posting music (electronic) for family and friends. I expect most of them are not into it, that's fine. I doubt I'll go the Spotify route, seems like a lot of hassle, considering 10,000 plays barely earns enough to buy a beer. Just want to make music that a few people might enjoy. (BTW, I just watched your 3x Osc vid, very useful).
A prophet is not accepted in his own village 😊 One should not expect honest opinion from people who know him/her/it 😊 One should not expect honest opinion from strangers too but it's more likely to be slightly more objective. At least it has nothing to do with what people already expect from you. People who know you don't expect much from you. I remember interview with Prince's sister. She didn't find his songs exeptional at all. But many people think he is a genius. It's all subjective. One thing I know. The more I used the old tired pop frame that sound familiar the more people liked the songs. The more I deviated from it the less they liked the songs. I don't think it always come down to good or bad but to expectations.
very very very well said!! I noticed that too, the more you follow the pop formula, the more people enjoy it. I think might be a subconscious familiarity thing
I like Korn and everyone around me ask me if " that's music at all." Same with most metal I listen to. How can I care about opinions at all? I know what I like. Why should I care about what the rest do.
i remember hearing that too when i listened to korn haha. I forget what performance it was, but theres a video of them playing Blind like and the crowd when wiiiiild. they are amazing live, if you ever get a chance to see them and you havent yet, I 100% recommend it
A problem I have is that friends don't really understand the work I have done. They think I generared it in 30 seconds with AI. Because of AI the music industry seems to be saturated the same way Instagram is flooded with AI images.
A pertinent point is that - back in the day - we used to have to use a calculator and spend much time in order to calculate delay and gate times to the precise millisecond whereas now we can click on the "dotted eighth" option and everything is magically in time with minimal effort. No-one appreciates the effort that used to be made or is made because they think - rightly so, in many examples - that one click of a mouse changes a bland motif into a psychedelic delay-infused journey.
Accountants don't come home and show their parents the speadsheets they completed to seek approval, neither does a secretary take her mom to work to see all the files she made. I think we should look at it as if its just another job at the office.
And by the way, you can just summarize this: if you want people to care about your music, you're gonna have to make songs that they care about. It's pretty weird to expect people to like your offer when you are not trying to meet their demand. That's pretty basic stuff.
If you go in you own memory bank and find out which songs you truly 'love,' most people don't get over a 100 songs that'll have them belting along. The chance statistically of your song being that song for them is just not very high, especially if you're not very good. Odds are better if you make pretty standard pop music (which I do, a lot). People don't listen in this detached analytical way unless they are producers themselves, either. And even then most don't. If you want your girlfriend to be impressed, write her a love song. If you want my dad to be impressed, write an 80s rock track. It's really not worth considering their opinion on it unless they truly, truly hate what you've created. If they can't even tolerate your song you have to be honest and say you're maybe just not quite there yet.
@@jonaudio No swearing or anything. I dunno, RUclips is weird. I did put a link to /r/ wearethemusicmakers which I found invaluable a few years back getting feedback in the weekly feedback threads. Met a few other artists from there who I still bounce stuff off of.
Tylas parents did not seem to care. Billy Eilish Parents cared, Doja Cats mother was very encouragement. Kanye West mother 100%. And Taylors parents 100%.
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Jon, your channel is just so super helpful! Just seeing these comments has healed something in me. I no longer feel blocked or emotional about it but see it through a more rational lens. Thank you!
Holy shit, there's a podcast where S1gns Of L1fe and Jon Audio talk about music production and I've only just learned about it.
Damnit, there are only 19 episodes and the last one was posted in August. These are two people whose words mean a hell of a lot in my quest to create music that's similar to theirs.
I appreciate what you're doing here Jon, taking these reddit posts and using them as reference points to talk about the more tumultuous emotional facets of music-making. I hope you continue making more videos like this.
The things you're telling here are very true. For example: I listened to your song you referenced in this video and I found it quite uninspiring. However, I listened to your improvisations with the Atomika synthesizer and I was truely impressed. I was thinking: wow, why doesn't he make a song out of this? That's just me and my silly preference. The odds thay your own family likes the art you're making are very slim indeed.
This is something that I've felt a lot as a game designer. Having to seek out players for a game or supplement I've worked hard to create is always a pain, and it can feel invalidating when those close to you are quick to dismiss work you've created. At the same time, I've found wonderful pieces that were either made by a friend at the gym or dug up from a friend's roommate in a bizarre locale. Where you discover something really does matter when making a connection.
100% Jon !! …… everything you say here is Spot On!!
I'm playing in a band, and I'm trying to do something on my own. These 2 things are totally different for me. First, our band was heard by a lot of people already (we had chance to play on some festivals, and people usually really like our music, even if we are still not very known band), but whatever I did by my own (not much , mostly electronic related music), had really limited audience. What is funny, my parents pushed me to finish music school and I have graduated, but then I had very long break (over 10 years), come back to music and now with the band I mentioned, we are almost done with our second album. When I visited my mother and family on Christmas, nobody even asked me, how my band is going. Nobody cares. And when Im trying to tell something about the band to my mother, she is saying something like there are other aspect of live that I should focus now. Maybe she is proud somehow, but we are not her music target, I dont know. At least I know, whenever we are playing, got some audience and its means something for me.
I have a very small RUclips channel for posting music (electronic) for family and friends. I expect most of them are not into it, that's fine. I doubt I'll go the Spotify route, seems like a lot of hassle, considering 10,000 plays barely earns enough to buy a beer. Just want to make music that a few people might enjoy. (BTW, I just watched your 3x Osc vid, very useful).
A prophet is not accepted in his own village 😊 One should not expect honest opinion from people who know him/her/it 😊 One should not expect honest opinion from strangers too but it's more likely to be slightly more objective. At least it has nothing to do with what people already expect from you. People who know you don't expect much from you. I remember interview with Prince's sister. She didn't find his songs exeptional at all. But many people think he is a genius. It's all subjective. One thing I know. The more I used the old tired pop frame that sound familiar the more people liked the songs. The more I deviated from it the less they liked the songs. I don't think it always come down to good or bad but to expectations.
very very very well said!! I noticed that too, the more you follow the pop formula, the more people enjoy it. I think might be a subconscious familiarity thing
@@jonaudio Familiarity for sure 🙂
I'm interested in listening to the interview with Prince's sister. Do you have a link that you're able to share?
@TheValueOfN It was some time ago and I don't know which documentary it was in.
@@aspirativemusicproduction2135 OK. Thanks for replying.
No one cares my music... Even my mom or family...
I don't care. I Will not stop.
Can't stop won't stop 🤙🤙
I like Korn and everyone around me ask me if " that's music at all." Same with most metal I listen to. How can I care about opinions at all? I know what I like. Why should I care about what the rest do.
i remember hearing that too when i listened to korn haha. I forget what performance it was, but theres a video of them playing Blind like and the crowd when wiiiiild. they are amazing live, if you ever get a chance to see them and you havent yet, I 100% recommend it
A problem I have is that friends don't really understand the work I have done. They think I generared it in 30 seconds with AI. Because of AI the music industry seems to be saturated the same way Instagram is flooded with AI images.
A pertinent point is that - back in the day - we used to have to use a calculator and spend much time in order to calculate delay and gate times to the precise millisecond whereas now we can click on the "dotted eighth" option and everything is magically in time with minimal effort. No-one appreciates the effort that used to be made or is made because they think - rightly so, in many examples - that one click of a mouse changes a bland motif into a psychedelic delay-infused journey.
Accountants don't come home and show their parents the speadsheets they completed to seek approval, neither does a secretary take her mom to work to see all the files she made. I think we should look at it as if its just another job at the office.
And by the way, you can just summarize this: if you want people to care about your music, you're gonna have to make songs that they care about. It's pretty weird to expect people to like your offer when you are not trying to meet their demand. That's pretty basic stuff.
If you go in you own memory bank and find out which songs you truly 'love,' most people don't get over a 100 songs that'll have them belting along. The chance statistically of your song being that song for them is just not very high, especially if you're not very good. Odds are better if you make pretty standard pop music (which I do, a lot). People don't listen in this detached analytical way unless they are producers themselves, either. And even then most don't.
If you want your girlfriend to be impressed, write her a love song. If you want my dad to be impressed, write an 80s rock track.
It's really not worth considering their opinion on it unless they truly, truly hate what you've created. If they can't even tolerate your song you have to be honest and say you're maybe just not quite there yet.
Just don't sit your nan down to listen to your 3 hour Musique concrète performance, she might need a break.
Well I tried commenting twice and they got deleted both times. Weirdness. Sorry Jon.
That's really strange 🤔 maybe it tripped the automatic filter or something?
@@jonaudio No swearing or anything. I dunno, RUclips is weird. I did put a link to /r/ wearethemusicmakers which I found invaluable a few years back getting feedback in the weekly feedback threads. Met a few other artists from there who I still bounce stuff off of.
Tylas parents did not seem to care. Billy Eilish Parents cared, Doja Cats mother was very encouragement. Kanye West mother 100%. And Taylors parents 100%.
Im sorry but I'm almost sure that this "advice" wont help the poor guy
it might not, but i can only try
But it will help many viewers of this videos who might be experiencing a similar thing. Why did you put the word advice in apostrophes?