I'm not sure if Tomer didn't cast his commander because he thought it got shut down by Yasharn, or if he just determined he didn't need it, but for anyone who wasn't aware Arcum does not sacrifice an artifact as part of the cost to activate the ability, rather it's sacrificed during resolution, so Yasharn does not affect it.
@sorin_markov Yeah, I wasn't sure about that line because it sounds like he's saying it sarcastically. Because he's saying, "my commander doesn't require a sacrifice" with a bitter-sounding tone instead of "my commander doesn't require a sacrifice as a cost" He still could have meant the latter and I interpreted it wrong so I don't know for sure.
Without haste its kind of slow and with Thoralf being around 11 and not knowing the others win cons, I think rushing to draw/find his combo pieces was faster
It should be shown to the audience the win con of each player at the end of the game or it should be at the comments, cause with the course of the game we end up only knowing 2 of them
My guess for Carl is have every player above 40 life. My guess for Fele is have every player control a permanent you own. I think the goat was a red herring but I’m not sure
I’m gunna echo some of the sentiments of viewers and recommend that if you guys do this great idea again, you give a brief window with everyone’s win cons on screen, but also let people know when so they can skip it if they wish to figure it out watching the game too. This was an awesome video and a super fun idea I’d love to try myself, so I definitely hope to see more of this! Keep up the great content guys! 😁
Love your commander videos! Here's an idea for another "weird commander" concept: only use commanders that are legendary creatures on the BACKside, but not the front. So "Throne of the Grim Captain," "Elbrus, the Binding Blade," "Westvale Abbey," and several of the "Invasion of" battles.
@@Soraking007 Yeah, that's normally the rule. The front side needs to actually be a creature, too, to be a commander. But Cardmarket likes to fudge the rules for an interesting twist!
Carl's win con being that everyone has to be at 80 life seems way harder to achieve than all the other ones, his life being 80 seems like a more equal playing field to me
The problem is that giving yourself a ton of life is pretty easy in Commander. I agree that giving everyone 80 is pretty hard, but I think nerfing it to "make one of your opponents have 80 life" is probably better, although that might still be too easy considering cards like Axis of Mortality
@@MrZerodayz making it about an opponent is definately better; one also does not have to keep the value of 80; Axis does make it an upkeep trigger and Thoralf showed quite impressively how that can be abused
Maybe a Wincon like grant other players 80-100 life total would be better, but him keeping track of it the whole time would have given it away so someone off cam would have to keep track and let him know when he's close/there
Aww Tomer finally assembling Kaldra without his troll friends doing everything in their power all game to stop him was very heartwarming. Congrats Tomer!
Since Fele's been going around replying to comments about wincons, I'll repost them here for convenience: Carl's Wincon: He had to give every player 80 life Fele's Wincon: He had to do damage to every player with a goat
I love the chaotic energy at the table with this game! Fele, you did a great job with the edit and you have my sinserest condolences for having to deal with all those Myr tokens
Until the very last play I thought they all had to win with alternate win-con cards, not a hidden wincon. I thought Thoralf had some Triskaideka-Jank and was only bluffing that he needs 11 health, when indeed he needed 13 (but had healing on hand). I thought Tomer had Mechanized Production or Atemsis or also triskaideka-jank. Fele just had to kill everyone by forcing Leveler on them one by one. Aaand Carl had some Felidar Sovereign Card but for opponents, that I never heard of...
At 35:44 a rules violation occurred. Reward the Faithful cannot target Tomer because he has protection from everything from The One Ring until his turn. That means the only valid targets were Thoralf, Carl and Fele. Even if it could target Tomer, the protection would have prevented it doing anything anyway.
@@mrsplays9817protection doesn't prevent damage either, just life loss from damage. If you hit someone for lethal commander damage while they have protection from everything, they still die. Their life total doesn't change, but they still take the 21 damage.
@mrsplays9817 My bad. I got "Protection from Everything" and "Your life total cannot change" on Teferi's Protection mixed up. If you have an effect that says "damage dealt this way can't be prevented" on your commander, and you hit someone for commander damage, if they cast Teferi's Protection in response, their life total doesn't change, but the damage is still marked on them. Honest mistake on my part. Before the One Ring, Teferi's Protection was pretty much the only time you dealt with PfE on a player, and I recalled an interesting ruling about commander damage being dealt and the life total not changing, but got the particulars mixed up. Good thing I'm not a judge 🤯👍
This is such a cool and interesting idea! What a fresh remix on MtG and the Commander format. I bet it was as fun to play as it was to watch! I just really wish you told us everyone's win condition at the end of the game.
The overhead camera had something going on no on with it. I legit thought my tv had a crack in it, cause it was only when on the overhead when looked up at the beginning.
Did anyone else notice the weird squiggle on the camera over Tomer and Fele's side of the table? It's only present when the camera is showing the whole board.
Out of interest, what was with the goat? Also, what were the other win conditions (we know Thoralf's, but the other two)? Great game, though - would love to see this be a series or something!
Really loved the video and the concept, I may try this with my friends! Maybe next time tell the viewers the win con at the beggining of the video, almost like we are keeping a secret. That way we can root for each one in their win assembly!
Nearly 10 minutes in and this is the most bizarre and jankiest series of interactions I've ever seen in a commander game. lmao I love the back and forth non-blue counter war with trying to force your opponent to gain life.
The second they all kept ganging on Thoralf after he was below 11 I knew someone else was going to do this. All three had the same idea, but only one can actually win.
Awesome video! I highly recommend you play Duel commander format. 1 vs 1 with 20 life and 99 cards deck with commander. Banned sol ring, mana vault, jeweled lotus, etc.
did someone hold their card too high while casting a spell to damage the overhead camera ? looks like there are some cracks on the left side ? ^^´´ love the video : ) thanks for the content !
I scrolled so far through the comments specifically to find somebody else who saw the weird scratches on the left side of the top view camera and I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate you. 😅 I cannot believe how many times I blew on my screen and tried to wipe away what I thought were hairs on my screen. 😂
Awesome video! The goat was the best thing and had me laughing throughout the game! 😂 More of these please, and also echoing the suggestion that if you let us know the wincons in advance have a fair spoiler warning! Not knowing was much more enjoyable.
Such a fun video, i did notice the weird black lines on the left side of the top down camera, thought my screen had an issue Also, the music stops intermittently which is super weird when you notice it
42:20 He can sacrifice it, because it is a land. Yasharn does not forbid sacrificing lands. 45:40 Tomer's win condition seems to be a causal loop, if you win with the Kaldra token with combat damage you win. So he needs to win in order to win. I'm guessing it is interpreted as, "If combat damage dealt by a legendary creature named Kaldra, equipped with Sword of Kaldra, Shield of Kaldra, and Helm of Kaldra, causes an opponent's life total to go to a number less than 1, you win the game." But that's not what it said.
Great game. Tons of fun and some might say this was the GOAT. I have to ask however. What's up with the black lines on the left side of the screen? I thought my monitor broke initially :D
me when the footage goes to overhead view "crap... is my screen cracked?" "oh, its just the video, thats fine." 3 minutes later "Oh crap, is my screen cracked?"
If I had to guess it had something to do with other players controlling his permanents. Maybe specifically something to do with the goat and a few other weird creatures but the goat might have just been in there as an innocuous creature to give away.
Hey! fele here. Good guesses! Here's the truth: Carl had to give every player 80 life and I had to do damage to every player with a goat. Hope you had fun!
Agreed. I rewatched it several times to make sure, but as far as I can tell Leveler entered during Tomer's upkeep so when he went to draw with an empty library he should've died unless I'm missing something on the board that kept him alive.
Tomer's look of surprised pleasure at having the Card Market crew enthusiastically yelling "clash on!" with him 😂 The goldfish crew should superimpose Carl's face over Crim in their next commander clash intro 😂
you cant just end it without telling us Fele and Carl's wincons! please!
Please, we need to know!
exactly
we need to know. desperately.
Hey! fele here. Carl had to give every player 80 life and I had to do damage to every player with a goat. Hope you had fun!
@@CardmarketMagicthank you fele now I can sleep tonight.
The second the first Kaldra piece etb'd I knew his gimmick was basically "Assemble Exodia" lol
Yeah I was surprised he went with that one and not the Sword which is isolated with its effects unlike the other two.
If you’ve never seen Tomer play, one of his pet things is pretty regularly to try to assemble Kaldra.
I'm not sure if Tomer didn't cast his commander because he thought it got shut down by Yasharn, or if he just determined he didn't need it, but for anyone who wasn't aware Arcum does not sacrifice an artifact as part of the cost to activate the ability, rather it's sacrificed during resolution, so Yasharn does not affect it.
He says at 20:40 that it doesn't get shut down, so at least he knew it
@sorin_markov
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that line because it sounds like he's saying it sarcastically. Because he's saying, "my commander doesn't require a sacrifice" with a bitter-sounding tone instead of "my commander doesn't require a sacrifice as a cost"
He still could have meant the latter and I interpreted it wrong so I don't know for sure.
Without haste its kind of slow and with Thoralf being around 11 and not knowing the others win cons, I think rushing to draw/find his combo pieces was faster
"You have MY GOAT" famous last words
Fele best!
35:55 Tomer cannot be targeted to gain life because he has protection from everything.
"She still counts as an angel"
lmaoo three minutes in and Fele has already completely won me over
It should be shown to the audience the win con of each player at the end of the game or it should be at the comments, cause with the course of the game we end up only knowing 2 of them
Carl's was probably "get someone to X life" with X = 50 or something, but I'm very confused about Fele's.
My guess for Carl is have every player above 40 life. My guess for Fele is have every player control a permanent you own. I think the goat was a red herring but I’m not sure
Hey! fele here. Carl had to give every player 80 life and I had to do damage to every player with a goat. sorry for letting you hanging ;)
@@CardmarketMagic I was waiting for the blood moon the whole time, rip.
@@CardmarketMagic Wow, who wrote the secret tasks and why do they hate Carl?!
Please do more of the alt win cons this was a very entertaining watch
I’m gunna echo some of the sentiments of viewers and recommend that if you guys do this great idea again, you give a brief window with everyone’s win cons on screen, but also let people know when so they can skip it if they wish to figure it out watching the game too.
This was an awesome video and a super fun idea I’d love to try myself, so I definitely hope to see more of this! Keep up the great content guys! 😁
Lunch video sorted
Hahaha my exact thought when I saw this and immediately clicked during lunch break
Love your commander videos! Here's an idea for another "weird commander" concept: only use commanders that are legendary creatures on the BACKside, but not the front. So "Throne of the Grim Captain," "Elbrus, the Binding Blade," "Westvale Abbey," and several of the "Invasion of" battles.
Doesnt the front side need to also be legendary for it to be allowed to be a commander? Or am i wrong?
The rules can be whatever the table agrees to.
@@Soraking007 Yeah, that's normally the rule. The front side needs to actually be a creature, too, to be a commander. But Cardmarket likes to fudge the rules for an interesting twist!
Tomer's long con plan to push them to put Thoralf down low was genius.
I feel so loved. I asked for the MTGGoldfish collab and the hits keep coming! Thanks for making it happen family
Tomer looks happier with this crew
And they are really into "Clash On!" which is a big bonus.
Part of the joy of Commander Clash is them trolling each other, in only the way longtime friends can. 😅
Obviously because Toffel is in this crew ❤
It's the Clash Ons he deserves! 🤣
MTG Goldfish is also played online. You can see it in the Vegas episode on Commander clash, but he's more like this in person. :)
33:27 I love seeing Fele in more videos! He's so funny
The enthusiasm behind that "Clash On!" is gonna have me smiling the rest of the day. That was beautiful.
Toner finally gets his wholehearted “clash on” 😂
Is there a crack in the top-down view camera?
Yeah, it looks like a fracture on the primary
I thought I had broken my brand new MacBook screen and was terrified
No there's a spider in your phone.
@@dicejohnson8919 omg same
Tomer and the maple syrup jug is hilarious.
Carl's win con being that everyone has to be at 80 life seems way harder to achieve than all the other ones, his life being 80 seems like a more equal playing field to me
The problem is that giving yourself a ton of life is pretty easy in Commander. I agree that giving everyone 80 is pretty hard, but I think nerfing it to "make one of your opponents have 80 life" is probably better, although that might still be too easy considering cards like Axis of Mortality
@@MrZerodayz making it about an opponent is definately better; one also does not have to keep the value of 80; Axis does make it an upkeep trigger and Thoralf showed quite impressively how that can be abused
Maybe a Wincon like grant other players 80-100 life total would be better, but him keeping track of it the whole time would have given it away so someone off cam would have to keep track and let him know when he's close/there
Aww Tomer finally assembling Kaldra without his troll friends doing everything in their power all game to stop him was very heartwarming. Congrats Tomer!
I mean... he _did_ have his entire library removed from the game before he had all the pieces in hand :P
I mean, still got path'd.
Basically the good ending to this vid.
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Since Fele's been going around replying to comments about wincons, I'll repost them here for convenience:
Carl's Wincon: He had to give every player 80 life
Fele's Wincon: He had to do damage to every player with a goat
I love the chaotic energy at the table with this game! Fele, you did a great job with the edit and you have my sinserest condolences for having to deal with all those Myr tokens
Until the very last play I thought they all had to win with alternate win-con cards, not a hidden wincon. I thought Thoralf had some Triskaideka-Jank and was only bluffing that he needs 11 health, when indeed he needed 13 (but had healing on hand). I thought Tomer had Mechanized Production or Atemsis or also triskaideka-jank. Fele just had to kill everyone by forcing Leveler on them one by one. Aaand Carl had some Felidar Sovereign Card but for opponents, that I never heard of...
Those lines on the left of the screen made me think I cracked my monitor
This is the most wholesome and enjoyable magic content on the internet. I love you guys and keep up the good work!!!
Thank you :D that's so kind of you to say!
-C
Tomer was not able to get life from Carl, since he had protection from everything.
It was a very funny match overall ^^
I was here to say the same thing
Really wish we knew what the others alternate Wincons were, non-the less loved the video and always happy to see the goldfish crew !
Another amazing game guys! Tomer feels so natural with the crew.
At 35:44 a rules violation occurred.
Reward the Faithful cannot target Tomer because he has protection from everything from The One Ring until his turn. That means the only valid targets were Thoralf, Carl and Fele. Even if it could target Tomer, the protection would have prevented it doing anything anyway.
It's not damage; Protection doesn't stop healing
Still couldn't have been targeted, but the last part of your statement is incorrect.
@@mrsplays9817protection doesn't prevent damage either, just life loss from damage. If you hit someone for lethal commander damage while they have protection from everything, they still die. Their life total doesn't change, but they still take the 21 damage.
@@collinbeal Protection stops damage
@mrsplays9817 My bad. I got "Protection from Everything" and "Your life total cannot change" on Teferi's Protection mixed up. If you have an effect that says "damage dealt this way can't be prevented" on your commander, and you hit someone for commander damage, if they cast Teferi's Protection in response, their life total doesn't change, but the damage is still marked on them. Honest mistake on my part. Before the One Ring, Teferi's Protection was pretty much the only time you dealt with PfE on a player, and I recalled an interesting ruling about commander damage being dealt and the life total not changing, but got the particulars mixed up. Good thing I'm not a judge 🤯👍
I love how you keep coming up with new ideas for this channel and they keep being amazing
This is such a cool and interesting idea! What a fresh remix on MtG and the Commander format. I bet it was as fun to play as it was to watch! I just really wish you told us everyone's win condition at the end of the game.
Reminds me of Risk Secret Mission. I never would’ve associated them but when I heard envelopes they just became stuck together in my head
The overhead camera had something going on no on with it. I legit thought my tv had a crack in it, cause it was only when on the overhead when looked up at the beginning.
This was super enjoyable, non knowing the different win conditions was a blast, good job guys
Did anyone else notice the weird squiggle on the camera over Tomer and Fele's side of the table? It's only present when the camera is showing the whole board.
Fele bluffing 5 wincons at once lmao
Out of interest, what was with the goat? Also, what were the other win conditions (we know Thoralf's, but the other two)? Great game, though - would love to see this be a series or something!
Also want to know the win cons
Hey! fele here. Carl had to give every player 80 life and I had to do damage to every player with a goat. Hope you had fun!
@@CardmarketMagic Thanks so much, Fele! Don't worry - you're the GOAT of this game in our eyes 😜.
That was honestly awesome... Very cool idea for alternate commander! I have the kaldra package in 2 of my decks, such a fun set to try to get.
I thought the mark on the divider between Tomer and Fele was a hair on my screen at first.
Really loved the video and the concept, I may try this with my friends! Maybe next time tell the viewers the win con at the beggining of the video, almost like we are keeping a secret. That way we can root for each one in their win assembly!
I've been loving these shenanigans with Tomer. Just great!
Is there something on the overhead camera?
You guys and your energy have dragged me back in, im appreciating the content guys!
Nearly 10 minutes in and this is the most bizarre and jankiest series of interactions I've ever seen in a commander game. lmao I love the back and forth non-blue counter war with trying to force your opponent to gain life.
35:47 he has protection so you couldn't target him with the healing.
Love creativity of this channel :-) Always something new, always hilarious :D
The second they all kept ganging on Thoralf after he was below 11 I knew someone else was going to do this. All three had the same idea, but only one can actually win.
this is such a good idea of a game format!!!!! love the fact that everyone is secretly playing their own agenda
People *wanting* and trying to do the Clash On? Madness!
I thought my screen was cracked lol
i think its the cutest thing in the world that y'all do a clash on for tomer every time hes on your channel
Super stoked to see Fele playing on the channel more! Super cool guy 😎
Awesome video!
I highly recommend you play Duel commander format.
1 vs 1 with 20 life and 99 cards deck with commander.
Banned sol ring, mana vault, jeweled lotus, etc.
I want more of this matches (preferably commander) with alternate win goals
did someone hold their card too high while casting a spell to damage the overhead camera ? looks like there are some cracks on the left side ? ^^´´ love the video : ) thanks for the content !
I scrolled so far through the comments specifically to find somebody else who saw the weird scratches on the left side of the top view camera and I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate you. 😅
I cannot believe how many times I blew on my screen and tried to wipe away what I thought were hairs on my screen. 😂
HE ASSEMBLED ALL PIECES OF EXODIA MAGIC
Awesome video! The goat was the best thing and had me laughing throughout the game! 😂 More of these please, and also echoing the suggestion that if you let us know the wincons in advance have a fair spoiler warning! Not knowing was much more enjoyable.
You should do this more often, it's super entertaining to watch :D
Such a fun video, i did notice the weird black lines on the left side of the top down camera, thought my screen had an issue
Also, the music stops intermittently which is super weird when you notice it
Seeing Cardmarket and MTGGoldfish do content together is like a dream come true :D Thank you so much for making it happen, guys :)
Great job goating and editing Fele, good job losing life Thoralf, good job clamping skulls Tomer, and good job being the nurse Carl 😂❤😂❤
Its a Saturday morning, breakfast is nearly ready and I see cardmarket uploaded a new fun edh video. Life is good.
There is a tiny hair on the camera screen on this video and its driving me crazy lol
Damn, I was sure the goat wincon was 'have to get the goat killed by an opponent's deliberate action' XP
42:20 He can sacrifice it, because it is a land. Yasharn does not forbid sacrificing lands.
45:40 Tomer's win condition seems to be a causal loop, if you win with the Kaldra token with combat damage you win. So he needs to win in order to win.
I'm guessing it is interpreted as, "If combat damage dealt by a legendary creature named Kaldra, equipped with Sword of Kaldra, Shield of Kaldra, and Helm of Kaldra, causes an opponent's life total to go to a number less than 1, you win the game."
But that's not what it said.
Thoralf droppin the iggy azalea lyric under his breath at 32:23 gave me a chuckle
Great game. Tons of fun and some might say this was the GOAT.
I have to ask however. What's up with the black lines on the left side of the screen? I thought my monitor broke initially :D
Same here! I was sure the screen was broken
me when the footage goes to overhead view
"crap... is my screen cracked?"
"oh, its just the video, thats fine."
3 minutes later
"Oh crap, is my screen cracked?"
That Tomer token being 'fired' was such a nice universe crossover! :D
Didn't end up mattering, but Tomer would have had protection from Reward the Faithful. Great video!!
i love this content you guys are both great always love seeing these uploads
MORE OF THESE!! love it!
I love your videos so much. Especially commander and with this absurd rules it's perfect.
AHHH a line in you mat made me think my screen was cracked
....I need to know. WHAT WAS THE GOATS REASON!?!?
Hey! fele here. I had to do damage to every player with a non-changeling goat.
Everyone forgetting Tomer had protection from the one ring, immediately after them saying he had protection is just the funniest thing.
I love commander and alt win cons. Thank you so much!
Honestly when I saw that title I just thought “That’s just a normal commander game”
From the title this seems like a normal EDH game, will check back when I’m done
The content has been getting better and better recently! 🎉❤
That was interesting! Like a hidden roles game but through Magic.
I need to know what was fele’s win condition now
If I had to guess it had something to do with other players controlling his permanents. Maybe specifically something to do with the goat and a few other weird creatures but the goat might have just been in there as an innocuous creature to give away.
Maybe have a goat and goad three players. Goa(t/d) everyone .
Hey! fele here. Good guesses! Here's the truth: Carl had to give every player 80 life and I had to do damage to every player with a goat. Hope you had fun!
Love the video guys, tho i definitely missed something since i thought tomer should have lost on his draw step after getting the leveler
Is it just me or does the overhead cam have cracks in the lens on Tomer/Fele’s side?
anyone else get worried their screen was cracked from the overhead camera?
This was so fun to watch ahaha
Oh look, Tomer's here, I wonder if he's gonna try to assemble --- oh, there he goes... 😅
The exile zone returns
What are the thin dark lines above Tomer and Fele's battlefields on the top-down camera angle? Shadows of cables/wires?
32:23
Fele: "first things first"
Thoralf: "I'm the realist"
We see you, Iggy stan 👑
Notably, Yasharn wouldn't stop Arcum from activating as the sacrifice isn't a part of the cost.
I appreciate you explaining commander to us 😂
Tomer So happy with that Clash On! 😂
Also a cool commander idea would be youre only allowed to play cards that dont share colours cast the last turn. Would be a fun ride!!
Carl forcing Thoralf to gain life is like a parent trying to get a kid to eat their veggies/
The second I saw Tomer was playing an artifact deck with arcum I knew his wincon.
Shouldn't Tomer have died before his main phase when he went to draw for turn?
Agreed. I rewatched it several times to make sure, but as far as I can tell Leveler entered during Tomer's upkeep so when he went to draw with an empty library he should've died unless I'm missing something on the board that kept him alive.
No because that's a normal lose the game condition and they said alternate win conditions only
@jacobisbell9388 I forgot that part lol thanks
I spit water at "you have my goat" - best line yet
"im not - i have a goat" runner up
Tomer's look of surprised pleasure at having the Card Market crew enthusiastically yelling "clash on!" with him 😂
The goldfish crew should superimpose Carl's face over Crim in their next commander clash intro 😂