Small note that I only know from running an Ognis deck with academy manufactor: if the source of the treasure token creation specifies that they enter tapped, all three tokens created by academy manufactor enter tapped. This would apply to gala greeters as well. 👍
@@rmbee5412 I suppose Gala Greeters goes Create [Thing], [Tapped]. And then Manufacturer goes 'If you would create [Thing], instead create [These three things]. So it becomes [These three things], [Tapped].
@@rmbee5412 It is definitely something I wasn't sure about until confirming it. Basically it's not a replacement effect but an addition that doesn't change the conditions of the original tokens. Same kind of interaction with Chatterfang and Army of the Damned, where both squirrels and zombies enter tapped!
Olivia was still remarkably subdued on this episode. I swear 3/4 of every commander at home episode is her threatening Brian and Kibler just laughing nonstop. Nothing wrong there though
@@joshuaforrest4135 I bet they cut past long episodes of restless giggles with this group. They all laugh a lot and it is awesome to see they are having so much cheerful fun.
@@DiabloTommaso Wizards could print dockside into the ground but the EDH council that moderates the format is not directly tied to wizards. ie they could make whatever ruling they want and it is up to the community to either adapt it or rule 0 some cards that they want to run.
I love watching these ladies play. This is one of the best XT episodes I’ve seen so far. Definitely need to get this crew on a full GK episode. Rachel and Olivia are hilarious together.
She just knows how to assess threats well. Josh does the same thing, better threat assessment is 100% the *actual* skill ceiling of commander, so the more accurate your assessments are, the more likely you'll pull off a win.
@@09Dragonite Rachel's play style reminds me so much of Josh's. These two are the epitome of EDH players at analyzing the table and putting together combos that are hard to stop.
@@jasperfuhs4988 yeah from Dragons of Tarkir. The one in the video is Zendikar Rising. I think my fave is the Shadows Over Innistrad one with the woman in the hall of paintings
As soon as Syr Konrad was revealed with Blood Artist on the table, I 100% would have put all the damage on Ladee. It's bonkers how many times Syr Konrad players are left unchecked.
yo I just want to shout out the editors, y'all do a great job on this channel making the games extra fun to watch, very creative and effective editing choices and I love all the visual gags. it really enhances the emerging story of a commander game.
8:57 One small correction here - the food and clue tokens will also enter tapped. They're still being created by the Greeter's ability, and the Greeter says that the treasure enters tapped, so all three tokens would enter tapped (I don't think it matters in this game, but something to keep in mind for your own games).
Since academy manufactor is a replacement effect, the result is that none of them enter the battlefield tapped. Since they aren’t being made off of greeters ability but are being made from the manufactor.
@@sciencemage Incorrect. Manufactor doesn't make tokens. It causes other spells and abilities to make extra token. The tokens are still being created by the Greeter's ability, not by the Manufactor, so the tokens would still enter tapped. Here's a similar ruling from Queen Allenal of Ruadach in Gatherer: The additional Soldier token won’t have any abilities the other tokens were created with. *Anything else specified in the effect creating the tokens (such as tapped, attacking, “That token gains haste,” or “Exile that token at end of combat”) applies to both the original tokens and the Soldier.*
@Nathan Long Pretty sure the difference is the phrasing 'instead' in academy manufactor. It's not making the other two tokens in addition to the one already being generated. It's making all three instead of the one being generated. The queen allenal example isn't the same because the original tokens still come from the original source, she just makes an extra one. TL;Dr Original reply is correct
@@yoyoninjaman Nope, it is the same. Manufactor has the effect make the three tokens instead of the one token. The Queen has the effect make X+1 tokens instead of X tokens. And I'm not really sure what you mean by the "instead" part, since both effects use the word "instead": If you would create a Clue, Food, or Treasure token, *instead* create one of each. If one or more creature tokens would be created under your control, those tokens plus a 1/1 white Soldier creature token are created *instead.* So when the Greeter's trigger resolves we replace "Create a tapped Treasure token" with "Create a tapped Clue, Food, and Treasure token". We only replace the part that makes the treasure token, not the tapped part, so all three tokens are created tapped.
What a fantastic game to watch! There were moments where I felt every player had a chance to get out ahead. Very happy to see one of my personal favorite cards (commanders) pull out the win.
Rachel this game was amazing! I loved your list, and honestly the Dockside comment to Olivia was absolutely hilarious (not to mention accurate) but im glad this group had such a great back and forth. This is probably the best episode I've seen from this channel in a little while, so i look forward to seeing each of you in future games!
Oh man, I just had a Syr Konrad lethal yesterday too, was playing self-mill with 18 creatures in my graveyard, popped my Scavenger Grounds to get the lethal I was thinking of building Thalia and the Gitrog Monster since I pulled one from my Bundle, thank you for the deck idea!
I think Ladee forgot 1 more insect token when she searched for a land with Prismatic Vista. It might sound like nothing, but with sacrifice effects around, that can be a BIG difference.
@@Dragon_Fyre Technically, no, since she had four lands plus the Vista in play, but had to sacrifice the Vista to activate its ability (so she was still going to end up with 5 lands).
I love how ever since that podcast episode of pet cards. And josh and Rachel loving the howling mine choice saying theyd try using it. They have both started using it more josh at gk live and Rachel in this game.
What I don’t get is why everyone waits till just before their turn to crack evolving wilds or other such lands when all they are good for is land search
Nice, I pulled a Thalia and Gitrog Monster and was feeling inspired to build for the first time in a while... Might actually do it after seeing how fun the deck can be!
What a fun match to watch! Overall I definitely enjoyed this episode of Extra Turns! Also I am quite happy to see Ladee Danger win with Thalia And The Gitrog Monster! One Solid win for Abzan Lands Matter!
If olivias deck list doesnt have moonsilver key, recommend for such, a deck thin - and can find forsaken monument, boost mana, creature, gets a shuffle, and regain casts :D
Pretty sure that the academy manufacturer makes that treasure come in untapped, since it’s a replacement effect it creates a new treasure in stead of that tapped one… right? 8:57
Small note that I only know from running an Ognis deck with academy manufactor: if the source of the treasure token creation specifies that they enter tapped, all three tokens created by academy manufactor enter tapped. This would apply to gala greeters as well. 👍
I'm surprised that you don't get everything untapped. Why doesn't the replacement effect from Manufactor override the original trigger entirely?
@@rmbee5412 I suppose Gala Greeters goes Create [Thing], [Tapped]. And then Manufacturer goes 'If you would create [Thing], instead create [These three things].
So it becomes [These three things], [Tapped].
@@rmbee5412 It is definitely something I wasn't sure about until confirming it. Basically it's not a replacement effect but an addition that doesn't change the conditions of the original tokens. Same kind of interaction with Chatterfang and Army of the Damned, where both squirrels and zombies enter tapped!
@@diestormlie That seems like a very helpful way to think about it. Thanks.
All i can find on that is a reddit thread not an actual ruling. Ive always just done it the tapped token is replaced by manufator as an untapped token
I cackled at Rachel’s Dockside joke, what a laser-targeted troll of Olivia
Dockside is just so unfair for commander. There's some argument for cEDH play but not enough to allow the damage to continue
This comment hits different today haha
"I think I'm done with your turn" is such a Yu-Gi-Oh villain line, I love it.
olivia laughing every single time rachel said bothersome quasit was definitely a highlight here lol
Olivia was still remarkably subdued on this episode. I swear 3/4 of every commander at home episode is her threatening Brian and Kibler just laughing nonstop. Nothing wrong there though
Commander at Home is great, love the lax vibes
@@joshuaforrest4135 I bet they cut past long episodes of restless giggles with this group. They all laugh a lot and it is awesome to see they are having so much cheerful fun.
I didn't know about that card that thing is awesome especially with the dnd fortell commander
A dragon dying on her own piled up hoard of treasure seems like a flavor win
I love Rachel SO much! The Dockside comment full staring Olivia down and complete laughing was great
Dockside is a reminder that if you abuse using mana positive rocks that is could backfire
@Aris Espiritu Yeah, in that narrow situation it cost her the game. If Taalia hadn't had a specific pair of cards, Rachel would've likely won.
The fact that dockside lost her the game is primo too
“Dockside's dumb. Who let that be legal” 👀
if it ever finally gets banned, we know it's this game that pushed it over the edge lol
@@dr00nesshe got a reprint and will always be a cash cow, so it will never be banned.
No way an Extra Turns episode ever bans a card, if anything it would increase its demand.
@@DiabloTommaso Wizards could print dockside into the ground but the EDH council that moderates the format is not directly tied to wizards. ie they could make whatever ruling they want and it is up to the community to either adapt it or rule 0 some cards that they want to run.
@@Samuel-nj4yy AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAUAUAUAUAHAUAUAHAHAHAHAH No. They are not
I love watching these ladies play. This is one of the best XT episodes I’ve seen so far. Definitely need to get this crew on a full GK episode. Rachel and Olivia are hilarious together.
It’s always a blast watching Olivia and Taalia play. I probably wouldn’t know who either of them are without EDH Hijinks. 😃
Every game Rachel is in she just feels so OP
She just knows how to assess threats well. Josh does the same thing, better threat assessment is 100% the *actual* skill ceiling of commander, so the more accurate your assessments are, the more likely you'll pull off a win.
@@09Dragonite Rachel's play style reminds me so much of Josh's. These two are the epitome of EDH players at analyzing the table and putting together combos that are hard to stop.
@@09Dragonite her deckbuilding is very good too
@@StanleyKuo184 Rachel's decks are much more fun to watch though
That bojuka bog with syr konrad play was spicy! I never thought to do that before 🔥 well deserved win for ladee
listen Rachel is probably one of my favorite MTG peeps. She is so hilarious and full of personality!
21:46 Awesome art choice on Tormenting Voice for the dragons approach deck. I like all the printings but that one is the only one with a dragon haha
Isn't there one with Ugin on it?
@@jasperfuhs4988 yeah from Dragons of Tarkir. The one in the video is Zendikar Rising. I think my fave is the Shadows Over Innistrad one with the woman in the hall of paintings
As soon as Syr Konrad was revealed with Blood Artist on the table, I 100% would have put all the damage on Ladee. It's bonkers how many times Syr Konrad players are left unchecked.
Awesome episode all the decks were really unique
They Seem Freaking cool! ^^
I will watch the episode and see what happens
yo I just want to shout out the editors, y'all do a great job on this channel making the games extra fun to watch, very creative and effective editing choices and I love all the visual gags. it really enhances the emerging story of a commander game.
Olivia seems very busy, not only with two commander gameplay shows of her own, but also joining extra turns. Incredible.
Love seeing taalia on more episodes! Y’all should bring her on the team
8:57 One small correction here - the food and clue tokens will also enter tapped. They're still being created by the Greeter's ability, and the Greeter says that the treasure enters tapped, so all three tokens would enter tapped (I don't think it matters in this game, but something to keep in mind for your own games).
Since academy manufactor is a replacement effect, the result is that none of them enter the battlefield tapped. Since they aren’t being made off of greeters ability but are being made from the manufactor.
@@sciencemage Incorrect. Manufactor doesn't make tokens. It causes other spells and abilities to make extra token. The tokens are still being created by the Greeter's ability, not by the Manufactor, so the tokens would still enter tapped.
Here's a similar ruling from Queen Allenal of Ruadach in Gatherer: The additional Soldier token won’t have any abilities the other tokens were created with. *Anything else specified in the effect creating the tokens (such as tapped, attacking, “That token gains haste,” or “Exile that token at end of combat”) applies to both the original tokens and the Soldier.*
@Nathan Long Pretty sure the difference is the phrasing 'instead' in academy manufactor. It's not making the other two tokens in addition to the one already being generated. It's making all three instead of the one being generated.
The queen allenal example isn't the same because the original tokens still come from the original source, she just makes an extra one.
TL;Dr Original reply is correct
@@Natedogg2 lol, nice try though
@@yoyoninjaman Nope, it is the same. Manufactor has the effect make the three tokens instead of the one token. The Queen has the effect make X+1 tokens instead of X tokens. And I'm not really sure what you mean by the "instead" part, since both effects use the word "instead":
If you would create a Clue, Food, or Treasure token, *instead* create one of each.
If one or more creature tokens would be created under your control, those tokens plus a 1/1 white Soldier creature token are created *instead.*
So when the Greeter's trigger resolves we replace "Create a tapped Treasure token" with "Create a tapped Clue, Food, and Treasure token". We only replace the part that makes the treasure token, not the tapped part, so all three tokens are created tapped.
This was such a great pod! I'd love more of this pod!
"Dockside's dumb. Who let that be legal" this didn't age well 😂
What a fantastic game to watch! There were moments where I felt every player had a chance to get out ahead. Very happy to see one of my personal favorite cards (commanders) pull out the win.
Rachael really does play some of the coolest decks, always powerful and a blast to watch in action.
"This card's dumb, who let that be legal?"
If Ashlen was here, this would be my top 5 favorite ladies of the Magical world!
This was an absolute blast to watch! Any time I get to watch something from any of you four, I'm happy. To see you all in one game? Quite the treat!
Rachel this game was amazing! I loved your list, and honestly the Dockside comment to Olivia was absolutely hilarious (not to mention accurate) but im glad this group had such a great back and forth. This is probably the best episode I've seen from this channel in a little while, so i look forward to seeing each of you in future games!
Oh man, I just had a Syr Konrad lethal yesterday too, was playing self-mill with 18 creatures in my graveyard, popped my Scavenger Grounds to get the lethal
I was thinking of building Thalia and the Gitrog Monster since I pulled one from my Bundle, thank you for the deck idea!
23:00 oof if this was a movie that would be some insane forshadowing
It looked like they were having so much fun this game. Also the dig of 'Dockside's dumb. Who let that be legal?' 'I am righT HERE!' had me laughing.
I love how disciple of the vault + vandalblast was like, THE only thing that could stop Rachel from continuing to dominate the whole game. wild stuff!
Of course Olivia brought artifact deck.
Yo - Rachel’s hair looks amazing! Wish I could get my hair to look like that!
Loved the way Rachel's deck played. Great game all around!
"I will play a Plains."
Entire Table: "OOOOOoooooOOOOOO!!!!!!!"
This game was so crisp. That was fun!
Ladee Danger, you're an absolute treasure
Love Rachel and Ladee, they're such a blast to watch. Great seeing Olivia show up and play too.
I think Ladee forgot 1 more insect token when she searched for a land with Prismatic Vista. It might sound like nothing, but with sacrifice effects around, that can be a BIG difference.
The Scute Swarm was killed in response to that, so nope =)
If Scute Swarm had not been killed while Prismatic Vista was on the stack, that would be 6 lands, so it would have been a copy of Scute Swarm.
@@Dragon_Fyre Technically, no, since she had four lands plus the Vista in play, but had to sacrifice the Vista to activate its ability (so she was still going to end up with 5 lands).
So many fun decks this episode! Dream ladies pod 😁❤️
That overload came out of nowhere!! Great plays
Feel like I've seen these decks before. Olivia's was played on Elder Dragon Highjinks and Rachel's was played on Scrybabies, unless in mistaken.
"That Quasit is SO bothersome"... Classic
this pod neeeeeeds its own weekly show. please and thanks.
One of my favorite matches to watch. Love Olivia and Rachel together in a pod. Always fun!!!
This was one of my favourite episodes ever! A+++
This was such a fun game to watch and a great episode! Ladee, Thalia, Rachel and Olivia are a great combo and it’d be fun to see them all again!
It was cool to see Rachel's dragon approach deck pop of this time. I've only seen it once before on the IHYD channel, and it didn't do so well.
She also played it on Scrybabies not too long ago!
@Villakarvarousku I found the video. Thank you for the heads up. Also, a not too long ago was two months ago, just as a heads up, lol
@@GhostCastle7 Whoops, my bad! Glad you found it though :)
Dope gameplay! This episode is top notch
You 4 should do your own show!!
for sure!!! love them
22:51 is the moment Olivia knew it had to go. RIP Dockside 2019-2024
totally didnt see that coming at first. these women are brutal! by far my fav episode so far.
Love how my Galazeth deck is very similar to Rachel’s lol I also have a goad subtheme to take on lifegain decks and be rid of bothersome creatures.
Probably the best game I've watched on this channel so far
This was an awesome match, I appreciate how good it flowed and quick it was. Good job all around!
Great decks all around, with some of my favourite MtG creators! Loved the silliness as well.
So much fun to watch.
Absolutely, love this pod of players! Thank you ladies for a fantastic game!
Ladee is the bomb 💣 the table wasn't prepared to Git Rog'd 😄😄
My treasure, my treasure, my treasure. Rachel knows how to make us laught a lot.
ikr best part of episode IMO
My treasures! My Treasures!.... My treasures? My Treasures?!
Sick pod, thank you team!
Rachel is my spirit animal 🤣 you are such a boss player I love it! We need more of all these ladies together I laughed so hard the whole video
I love how ever since that podcast episode of pet cards. And josh and Rachel loving the howling mine choice saying theyd try using it. They have both started using it more josh at gk live and Rachel in this game.
"Nobody expects the flawless maneuver! That's what makes it flawless!!"
That shade thrown about Dockside was perfection
What I don’t get is why everyone waits till just before their turn to crack evolving wilds or other such lands when all they are good for is land search
It’s so they can crack in response of something being played that would interact with searching their library
I loved Ladees Intro so much lol Her Penelope impression was so spot on.
"Dockside is Dumb, who let that be legal" - Rachel
Great episode extra turns!! Big plays, and good laughs!!
Nice, I pulled a Thalia and Gitrog Monster and was feeling inspired to build for the first time in a while... Might actually do it after seeing how fun the deck can be!
*Anyone put a card in play* *Everyone else* "OhHhH...aAhHhHhH"
Such a great episode truly one of my favorites! ❤❤❤
my treasures!! my treasures!! my treasures?? my treasures!?
Very nice win. Crazy swingy game.
Finally!!!! I've been waiting for a game with Galazeth!!! He's so good!
What a fun game!! I love watching friends play commander. I also enjoy that I’m not the only one who gets frustrated with dockside extortionist. 😂
Main phase deadly rollick is a real power move, sends a message
Right? and a main phase swords to plawshares?? Like cmon guys, lets make some more optimal choices, I hate seeing grudges held in magic
Wow I have the Ziatora and the liberator deck. Different setup, but same exact way to play the deck. So cool!
I think this is the best format for live play
That was a great game. Everyone popped off at some point . Love to see it.
22:53 there are some real insight here!😂
Dont know who wants it but please keep fighting for the dockside ban!
Ladee wins the intro and they all win our hearts
2:07 deck explanation
3:59 battle starts.
18:37 break ends
More full pods of women please!!! Such a great pod 😍
9:00, clue and food token should enter the battlefield tapped like treasure. That how replacement works
Amazing game with a great cast
Been watching a lot of Hijinks and Commander At Home lately, always a bast to watch Liv play!!
Rachel: “im sending an artist to war”
Landee: “thats not where they thrive”
Hitler looking in dissapointment
I love the way ladee plays commander. 😂 full throttle, eye for an eye, plus ping, what more could you ask for?!
I’ve heard artists are actually pretty good at war. Especially painters
That was quite possibly the closest I have ever seen to a Platonic Ideal of an EDH match.
What a fun match to watch!
Overall I definitely enjoyed this episode of Extra Turns!
Also I am quite happy to see Ladee Danger win with Thalia And The Gitrog Monster!
One Solid win for Abzan Lands Matter!
What a fun episode! Great gameplay and great personalities. :)
Its simple. I see Olivia on the thumbnail, I watch
Watching Olivia lose her soul when vandalblast was played made this episode to me 😂
Rachel's bothasum quazit voice makes me want a podcast with her and vocal fry Olivia from edhijinx episode 68.
Wow it's been a long time I feel like since Ladee won
If olivias deck list doesnt have moonsilver key, recommend for such, a deck thin - and can find forsaken monument, boost mana, creature, gets a shuffle, and regain casts :D
Pretty sure that the academy manufacturer makes that treasure come in untapped, since it’s a replacement effect it creates a new treasure in stead of that tapped one… right? 8:57
Been waiting for this !!!