Note to everyone asking why we didn't spend more time on the later albums: yes, because we could talk about those early classics all day BUT also because you didn't submit as many comments or opinions on them. Lock Horns is a threeway between Sam,the guest and the live chat so if the audience wants something they have to speak up! If you can't tune in live you can always visit the live stream page earlier in the day. Lots of regulars hanging in the chat talking about metal plus we do read those comments and include them as well. Thanks for watching!
what's up with the cracling noise in between this episode?, is the sound coming from vinyl ^^ :P. it's keeping a bit raw/thrashy for sure ;). great episode aggain ;). \m/. love your work.
BANGER I view Seplutura in similar way I few Van Halen and Metallica. 1) Metallica's first 4-5 albums are some of the best metal/thrash music of all time. Master of Puppets and Ride the lightning are masterpieces. After the Black album they became more radio friendly rock and were not the metal legends they were early in their career. Seplutura also has some of the best metal albums of all time w/ Beneath the Remains, Arise, and Chaos A.D. Then they started playing Nu Metal and ruined it for me. 2) Van Halen had some of the best hard rock albums of all time w/ Fair Warning and Women & Children first. After 1984 they became Van Hagar playing pop music. Just like Van Halen was great w/ David Lee Roth and terrible w/ Hagar. Seplutura is not Seplutura without Max.
Even attempting to draw a parallell between Sepultura and Metallica is insulting. You may not like Nu Metal, of course. But please note the difference: in the case of Metallica, the post AJfA move is a question of (loss of) integrity. WIth Sepultura it is a question of a choice of esthetic.
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i not good at this internet stuff just thought of a name for your cow bell milked. eg.you have milked whatever subject your going on about to much or your milking it to much .dunno oh yeh beneath is the best but now as i am older [42] schizo is my fav.
what makes me love this band, is that even after so many years they still performing so hard on live, some musics even sounds better on live then on records, thats insane.
Schizophrenia is my favorite. I also love the Derrick years. I think I love Schizo because it's so raw and full of piss and vinegar, yet showing some youthful progression, without being to technical.
@@superunknown2812 Loved Machine Messiah as well, but Quadra is like the best Sepu album, period. I listen to it against Arise back to back, and I think I comes out on top.
Agreed. Arise was my favorite then and it still is my favorite to this day. Beneath is a VERY close 2nd for me though. The 2 albums work well together. I like the songs they wrote on the other early albums but I an barely listen to them because they sound like mud.
Agree!! First song was for me Roots Bloody Roots but, when i discovered ARISE it was like punch in the face. This album has no weak point. Thrash till death!
I agreed with pretty much everything you guys said, except Arise > Beneath the Remains. But I'm just happy that I wasn't the only extreme early Sepultura fan that absolutely loved Machine Messiah. I thought it was a great record that overcame a lot of lesser albums previous.
Yeah I admit it I went overboard on the first three Derrick Green albums and kind of a bit on roots as well. But this was my favourite thrash band and what they did during that time makes me mad still, regardless of how actually good the albums may be. But also one thing: Roots was not a rip-off or pandering. That's even too big an insult for my tastes.
yeah while Korn for sure influenced them on Roots, they also added their own tribal flavor that started on chaos and blew up on Roots - but i won't fault them for changing the style - i think more than anything, they thought it was really cool sounding what Korn had done and wanted to play some similar stuff - we all get inspired sometimes...beats being too stubborn to change.
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DeliciousDishes roots was nu metal and tribal as fuck
ehhhh Roots I would describe as progressive groove metal with songs like Dusted, Atttitude, Endangered Species and it was until Soulfly 1 that Max would go nu-metal
Hmmm...Arise was the first Sepultura album I had ever heard and it was shortly after it was released in 1991. I was hooked right away. Arise to this day remains my favorite Sepultrua album. I then went back and listened to the prior albums. Was into Beneath The Remains a lot but didn't much care for Schizo and Morbid Visions. I dug Chaos AD when it came out but it took me a little time to get used to the change in style. Dug Roots when it came out too but after that...I just couldn't and still can't get into the band anymore. I've tried but it's just not there for me personally. The band died for me when Max left. I'm not a huge fan of Soulfly thou either. Some of it's great but some of what I hear when I hear Soulfly is forgettable. I was a HUGE fan of the Nailbomb album when it came out. Arise all day, everyday, 8 daze a week.
In my opinion, Arise has the best sound of the band, a little bit progressive, very aggressive and great vocals. I can hear that album thousands of times and I always find something new.
Chaos AD was my introduction to Sepultura, so it definitely has a special place for me. And because no one asked, here is how I'd rank them: 1. Beneath The Remains 2. Arise 3. Chaos AD 4. Kairos 5. Schizophrenia 6. A-Lex 7. Dante XXI 8. Roorback 9. The Mediator 10. Machine Messiah 11. Nation 12. Against 13. Morbid Visions 14. Roots
Now that's just deliberate nonsense putting Roots last... Sorry but it's clearly never the worst Sepultura album or do I misunderstand your order? Its your number one and BTR is the worst? Also seems unlikely! :-)
***** Interesting points but I don't agree with them at all. Burns made the bands he worked with sound much better sonically speaking. A lot of the bands that had put something out before him sounded like total shit/demo material/garage recordings. Burns actually made them sound like someone actually produced the albums. If the stuff got stale (and your right because music always gets stale) I blame the record company and not Burns. A good bit of those bands were forced into a certain mold/style/sound prototype by Roadrunner and Burns made the best of shitty written music.I personally like the production that came from Burns and Florida much better than from anywhere else at that point. I think a lot of the European bands in that genre from that time wrote killer music but the production was total mud.
Tomas Skogsberg...hmmm. I think of him as more of an engineer and not producer although he's done both. He engineered a friend of mine in God Macabre. Through talking to Ola I realized there's a bit of a rift in opinion when it comes to American Death Metal and the European Death Metal of the early 90s. People here in the US tend to be partial to the stuff that came out of Florida and I admit that's where I fall into place while Death metal fans in Europe didn't care for what was going on in America at that time at least not as much as what came out of Sweden and England. My favorite Tomas Skogsberg stuff is by far Entombed. I respectfully agree to disagree on what sounded better. Just a matter of personal taste I think.
Benjamin Decker Huh? That's the 1st time I've ever heard anyone say that. I loved the bass sound on Human. The remastered version is even better but the original mix of the album was nice & heavy.
Post Metal debate next week yessss!!! Neurosis, Isis, Pelican, Russian Circles, Sumac, Old Man Gloom, Dirge...just to name a few bands who surely will be mentioned
Ironically, against was the first sepultura album that i got into . Followed by roots and so on. Love em all, but some are stronger then others..thank you
Arise is when I discovered this band - The Hellraisers from Belo Horizonte . That Death- Thrash sound Everything from Arise to Dead Embryonic Cells to Desperate Cry -- Insane Record >>Sepultura FOREVER 🤘🤘💀💀
A few ideas for future episodes on a legendary band: - Death - Opeth - Hellhammer/CelticFrost/Triptykon Certainly enough material for discussion. Also, these bands all made a shift in their sound (some more drastically than others) and have different periods in their career
Beneath The Remains and Arise are equally crushing in my book. Fast, dirty, and dark I could go back and forth as to which one is my favorite hour to hour. Chaos AD was very take it or leave it with me, Territory being the exception, I love that song so much! Roots expanded on what they started on Chaos AD and I think they really created something special for the time. I still listen to a few tracks from it today. The next few records sorta lost me but I still listened to them with each release. The last 2 (Mediator and MM) I think have seen them finally coming into their own with Derrick on vocals.
My 1st Sepultura album was Arise. I saw the cassette (remember those?) in the "metal" section of a local record shop (remember those also??). One look at the cover art and I thought that this HAS to be good! I was way off...it was AWESOME!!! Respect to the band after Max's departure, but I like the old stuff with him (and Igor). With that said...I am going to go listen to there most recent stuff and give it an open mind!
Sepultura is originally from a city called Belo Horizonte, the capital of Minas Gerais State in Brazil. It's the city I was born and raised in. The Metal scene in the city came to being around a record store (that unfortunately doesn't exist anymore) called Cogumelo (Brazilian Portuguese for mushroom). From afar one was able to see a gathering of long haired young people at the door.. It was know as "that place" where "the misfits" gathered. The owners of Cogumelo started a record label - Cogumelo records - since nobody but them were bold enough to produce and release records from the local metal bands. It was at this label that Sepultura recorded its first album, Bestial Devastation, a shared EP with another local band called Overdose, and then went on to record their first full album Morbid Visions. Schizophrenia was also released by Cogumelo records. The band wasn't very well known in the city until the Beneath the Remains album. Actually the band started to get some notice after they went to Europe for the first time - and that piqued young people's curiosity and interest about them. We knew that their sound was heavy. Belo Horizonte was actually too small for Sepultura. Soon they started touring around the world to larger and larger crowds. Some members of other(mostly former ) heavy metal bands from Belo Horizonte criticize the members of Sepultura for never promoting the local bands and the local heavy metal scene. Yet even they agree that the guys from Sepultura were the ones who had guts to go abroad, promote their sounds, stay in close contact with their fan base (they replied to their fans letter). Apparently in the local scene, there was too much drug consumption and drug use. I still listen to some Sepultura records, even though I've never seen them live. My favorite albums? Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia, Beneath the Remains and Arise. Arise would be my number one. Me, I think it's odd the fact that I got to pass by Cogumelo stores many times while it was there. I never entered. And I've been to Bar do Bolao, a place the band used to eat at - great bar, great food.
Clearly the discussion here was only about studio albums but I think Under A Pale Grey Sky should have been a part of the discussion. It's one of the rare live records records that truly captures a band in it's defining moment.
Great show. Congratulations. :) I've been listening to Sepultura almost since their begining with Max Cavalera as the vocal. But I only got to see them live years after Max left Sepultura in The Zambujeira do Mar Festival. And when they were going to preform one of my favorite songs "Policia". They had a problem with the sound . The mic from the vocal stopped working. :-( Nevertheless it was an epic concert. :)
ROOTS got 15yo me into Sepultura. and I still spin it to this day. so that's my favorite. But I'll easily listen to all Max era and most of the Derrick era. Love the band.
Beneath is on my top three records of all time. I was lucky enough to see them live in Buenos Aires at the end of that tour. We were 500 people there and i remember they attempted a Cro-Mags song but nobody knew about it and they played Sabbath instead. Anyway they played Sex Pistols "Bodies" too. The crowd was a mix of Thrashers, Hardcore kids and punks. Nex year they return with Arise and they were huge. Last time i saw them live was on the Chaos AD tour and they were massive. I personally love the Schizo/Beneath/Arise trilogy. Horns up!
It's impressive to see how both of them got their predictions right when commenting on Machine Messiah. First, Danko Jones' precision, he immediately placed MM as the beginning of a new era for the band. Definitely yes! Secondly, both said that MM seemed to be the preview of something even grander, that MM would be to the next album like Schizophrenia was to Beneath the Remains and Chaos AD was to Roots. And that was exactly it. Quadra is magnificent! It is Sepultura’s masterpiece in the 21st Century.
If you wanna figure out the best of Sepultura, it's sth between Beneath The Remains and Roots but I particulary preffer Chaos AD than everything else. In my opinion, without C.A., Roots wouldn't even exist. Cheers from Brazil!!
Beneath the Remains is one of my favourite albums of all time. It's so fast and heavy and full of catchy hooks. The band was so hungry to prove their worth on the world stage. The guys at Roadrunner would have been doing back flips after hearing it for the first time. Just knowing their investment was going to pay off.
Old Sepultura is by far my favorite metal band, with each album they evolved, always delivering the goods. beneath, arise & chaos are the band's peak points, cant decide which one is better, beneath has this raw energy to it and arise sounds mature and serious, then the change in chaos just came as a breath of fresh air. Roots flirts too much with the nü metal scene of the time for my taste but i still enjoy it. With that said just imagine how that tour with sepultura & pantera back in the early 90's was?!?!? Fuk, i envy those who could witness it and got to fuck shit up.
Good show with healthy discussion. Coming off beneath/arise albums, i didnt undestand where the band chose to go with chaos and roots, then a friend reintrodued me to them late in the roots period and i "got" it. Brutal and groovy which I love and still listen to these albums to this day.
Kick-ass episode! love this format of video. glad you picked Sepultura, a band that needs to be recognized. A quick suggestion for anothe video: Overkill or Nuclear Assault!
Beneath , Arise, Chaos AD, Roots, a four war tie for my favorites. I took Max's side back in the day, but I love his stuff and I think Derick Green is a great frontman, and I love everything since Dante
The reality is, if Max stayed, Sepultura would become a Soulfly with better instrumental work. Thinking about it now I am glad they parted ways, allowing the band to do the shifts they want in terms of sonority, wether we liked or not. They for sure seem as happy as ever, and they are living their best moment in Derrick's era. And I need to say that Machine Messiah is by far their best album with Derrick. Intense, diverse guitar works, Derrick's vocals are clear and with a lot of feeling (not just barks). I think that part of that is due to Eloy's energy, the kid is a monster and raised the bar for the other guys.
1. Arise 2, Beneath The Remains 3. Schizophrenia Schizophrenia may be one one the most underrated albums in all of metal. It has some of the most mind blowing riffs I have ever heard. It doesn't get the praise it should because of the production. Look at most of the early albums from a lot of those thrash bands. They didn't have the best production, but many of those albums get praised. Schizophrenia is right up there with early Slayer, Exodus, Kreator etc...
Beneath the remains is my pic for top Sepultura album. Bought it Wayback when it was released. Also gets my pick for one of the best album covers of all time along with corners punishment for decadence.
"Arise" is my favorite album, I´ve got two of them, the regular one and the other is a special version "rough mixes limited edition for rock in rio" produced, engineered and mixed by Scott Burns.
Im a die-hard Chaos AD fan because it's simply the most uniquely Sepultura album. It sets them apart from everything else in metal, as there is very little comparable albums to Chaos AD out there from any other band
I always used use slayer references when it comes to Sepultura. Schizophrenia was more Hell Awaits. Beneath was more like South of Heaven, Arise was moe Reign in Blood, and Chaos was more like Seasons. Can't pick a favorite though. Like picking a favorite Slayer or Sabbath record. Later albums alright, but nothing up against these three. Arise and Beneath were the best.
Danko is a cool guy. Great co-host. Anyway. ROOTS gets my vote. It's progressive and the album has a rich devotion to South American Culture and their instruments. This is Tribal metal at its best!!! Absolutely fucking brilliant album. The best South American metal expression and the album inspired Max further to invent and form the great SOULFLY! 👍
Arise is by far their best album that being said I love Roots without that album I wouldnt have even discovered Sepultura. Also Roots had a lot of fast songs on it on the last end, and also there were also a lot of crushing riffs on that album i dont care what anyone says Attitude is one of their best songs imo up there with all the other thrash stuff
Its a tough call for me between Beneath The Remains and Arise, if I had to choose just one of those two; both albums represent (in my opinion) the band at its finest. I still keep my Beneath The Remains tape even though I no longer have a functional tape player.
Although they pull it off live as a 3 piece. Two guitars sound so much better! Rounds out that Sepultura sound. Most recent album and the one before awesome albums. The last two best of the Derrick era.
Who the hell is Danko Jones? Is he famous in Canada? Seems to be some kinda pubrocker? But anyway, I like him as a co-host, he clearly knows about the band (so far from what I've seen) and has some personality...
39:39 Sepultura had already released 8 albums with Derrick Green on vocals, but Lisa only put 4 of them in the poll. Which is sad, because *Karios* is my favorite Sepultura album with Derrick, and didnt made it to the poll. Sad, sad, sad.
for me ... CHAOS AD. / ARISE are THE BEST SEPULTURA ALBUMS ... perfect mix of young sepultura and the tribal style sepultura ... \m/ ... \m/ ... \m/ ...
This was fantastic. I'd love to see a album-by-album Locked Horn look at Mastodon and especially *Slayer*. Maybe wait till March for the new Mastodon but you could do the Slayer episode right now. Although it would just be a debate about what the second best Slayer album after South of Heaven is. (if you disagree, see what I mean? It would be a great discussion).
You should do a lock horns show on Iced Earth, I've picked up a few that I really like the Framing Armageddon with Tim Ripper Owens on vocals but they have such a long history and so many eras it would be an interesting debate.
Weird....I thought Nation was amazing. I also find it weird when people say that the intensity was lost when Igor left. He's awesome but did anyone really pay attention to the drummers that came after him? Nasty man. Just nasty.
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Beneath The Remains their best álbum and onde Of the best thrash álbum ever made!
Of the max cavelera era
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what's up with the cracling noise in between this episode?, is the sound coming from vinyl ^^ :P. it's keeping a bit raw/thrashy for sure ;). great episode aggain ;). \m/. love your work.
Sam do Brasil.
Democracy at work. If only congress worked this effectively.
BANGER
I view Seplutura in similar way I few Van Halen and Metallica.
1) Metallica's first 4-5 albums are some of the best metal/thrash music of all time. Master of Puppets and Ride the lightning are masterpieces. After the Black album they became more radio friendly rock and were not the metal legends they were early in their career. Seplutura also has some of the best metal albums of all time w/ Beneath the Remains, Arise, and Chaos A.D. Then they started playing Nu Metal and ruined it for me.
2) Van Halen had some of the best hard rock albums of all time w/ Fair Warning and Women & Children first. After 1984 they became Van Hagar playing pop music. Just like Van Halen was great w/ David Lee Roth and terrible w/ Hagar. Seplutura is not Seplutura without Max.
Even attempting to draw a parallell between Sepultura and Metallica is insulting. You may not like Nu Metal, of course. But please note the difference: in the case of Metallica, the post AJfA move is a question of (loss of) integrity. WIth Sepultura it is a question of a choice of esthetic.
HE'S FREAKING RIGHT THE LITA FORD THING IS DAMN REAL
Confirmed! Hilarious!!!
If she had decided to sue them, she would've won. That's a straight up rip off. Great song, nonetheless.
Someone needs to ask Max or Andreas about it. I wonder why they did it.
(1) ARISE (2) BENEATH (3) CHAOS... and the intro to beneath is indeed a direct lift
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i not good at this internet stuff just thought of a name for your cow bell milked. eg.you have milked whatever subject your going on about to much or your milking it to much .dunno oh yeh beneath is the best but now as i am older [42] schizo is my fav.
what makes me love this band, is that even after so many years they still performing so hard on live, some musics even sounds better on live then on records, thats insane.
Thx for bringing on Danko Jones! I can come back any day of the week and bring his interesting viewpoint!
Schizophrenia is my favorite. I also love the Derrick years. I think I love Schizo because it's so raw and full of piss and vinegar, yet showing some youthful progression, without being to technical.
The best sepultura album for me is Chaos A.D., but my favorite is A-lex for sure. It is their weirdest and most experimental album. Its beautiful
I love SEPULTURA and am so glad you guys did this episode! Thank you!
The guy kind of predicted the brilliance of Quadra....
Sharp. :)
Quadra is a awesome album never liked any of the previous albums with Derrick but this one..different story.
@@superunknown2812 Loved Machine Messiah as well, but Quadra is like the best Sepu album, period. I listen to it against Arise back to back, and I think I comes out on top.
He predicted it but only gave Quadra a 4/5 review lol
Arise is the best album they ever made, theres not one bad track on there.
Daniel Hernandez2 Arise is my favorite
Daniel Hernandez2 One of the first metal albums I've ever heard. It's still one of my favorite ones too.
Daniel Hernandez2 Beneath the Remains is better. All killer no filler.
Agreed. Arise was my favorite then and it still is my favorite to this day. Beneath is a VERY close 2nd for me though. The 2 albums work well together. I like the songs they wrote on the other early albums but I an barely listen to them because they sound like mud.
Agree!! First song was for me Roots Bloody Roots but, when i discovered ARISE it was like punch in the face. This album has no weak point. Thrash till death!
My favourite is Arise. I'm Brazilian, and of course, Sepultura is our pride...
I agreed with pretty much everything you guys said, except Arise > Beneath the Remains. But I'm just happy that I wasn't the only extreme early Sepultura fan that absolutely loved Machine Messiah. I thought it was a great record that overcame a lot of lesser albums previous.
Yeah I admit it I went overboard on the first three Derrick Green albums and kind of a bit on roots as well. But this was my favourite thrash band and what they did during that time makes me mad still, regardless of how actually good the albums may be.
But also one thing: Roots was not a rip-off or pandering. That's even too big an insult for my tastes.
theres more tribal on roots than anything closely related to korn plus chaos set the stage for roots
yeah while Korn for sure influenced them on Roots, they also added their own tribal flavor that started on chaos and blew up on Roots - but i won't fault them for changing the style - i think more than anything, they thought it was really cool sounding what Korn had done and wanted to play some similar stuff - we all get inspired sometimes...beats being too stubborn to change.
DeliciousDishes roots was nu metal and tribal as fuck
VBshredder truth
ehhhh Roots I would describe as progressive groove metal with songs like Dusted, Atttitude, Endangered Species and it was until Soulfly 1 that Max would go nu-metal
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Hmmm...Arise was the first Sepultura album I had ever heard and it was shortly after it was released in 1991. I was hooked right away. Arise to this day remains my favorite Sepultrua album. I then went back and listened to the prior albums. Was into Beneath The Remains a lot but didn't much care for Schizo and Morbid Visions. I dug Chaos AD when it came out but it took me a little time to get used to the change in style. Dug Roots when it came out too but after that...I just couldn't and still can't get into the band anymore. I've tried but it's just not there for me personally. The band died for me when Max left. I'm not a huge fan of Soulfly thou either. Some of it's great but some of what I hear when I hear Soulfly is forgettable. I was a HUGE fan of the Nailbomb album when it came out. Arise all day, everyday, 8 daze a week.
Danko is an awesome guest: 'The best record...you wanna throw down!?' Get him on Banger again!
In my opinion, Arise has the best sound of the band, a little bit progressive, very aggressive and great vocals. I can hear that album thousands of times and I always find something new.
Chaos AD was my introduction to Sepultura, so it definitely has a special place for me. And because no one asked, here is how I'd rank them:
1. Beneath The Remains
2. Arise
3. Chaos AD
4. Kairos
5. Schizophrenia
6. A-Lex
7. Dante XXI
8. Roorback
9. The Mediator
10. Machine Messiah
11. Nation
12. Against
13. Morbid Visions
14. Roots
Now that's just deliberate nonsense putting Roots last... Sorry but it's clearly never the worst Sepultura album or do I misunderstand your order? Its your number one and BTR is the worst? Also seems unlikely! :-)
Seeing Scott Burns interviewed made my day thanks guys for slipping that one in!
This band has always been so good. Legendary records.
Just BTW Scott Burns is a fucking legend. I always wanted to be in a band that would record with him. Never happened.
*****
Interesting points but I don't agree with them at all. Burns made the bands he worked with sound much better sonically speaking. A lot of the bands that had put something out before him sounded like total shit/demo material/garage recordings. Burns actually made them sound like someone actually produced the albums. If the stuff got stale (and your right because music always gets stale) I blame the record company and not Burns. A good bit of those bands were forced into a certain mold/style/sound prototype by Roadrunner and Burns made the best of shitty written music.I personally like the production that came from Burns and Florida much better than from anywhere else at that point. I think a lot of the European bands in that genre from that time wrote killer music but the production was total mud.
Tomas Skogsberg...hmmm. I think of him as more of an engineer and not producer although he's done both. He engineered a friend of mine in God Macabre. Through talking to Ola I realized there's a bit of a rift in opinion when it comes to American Death Metal and the European Death Metal of the early 90s. People here in the US tend to be partial to the stuff that came out of Florida and I admit that's where I fall into place while Death metal fans in Europe didn't care for what was going on in America at that time at least not as much as what came out of Sweden and England. My favorite Tomas Skogsberg stuff is by far Entombed. I respectfully agree to disagree on what sounded better. Just a matter of personal taste I think.
Scott Burns sure fucked up the sound of Death "Human" by killing the awesome bass on that album.
Benjamin Decker
Huh? That's the 1st time I've ever heard anyone say that. I loved the bass sound on Human. The remastered version is even better but the original mix of the album was nice & heavy.
Moses Garner yeah man, he gave each band their own sound back then, nowdays every album sounds the same, digital and processed.
Post Metal debate next week yessss!!! Neurosis, Isis, Pelican, Russian Circles, Sumac, Old Man Gloom, Dirge...just to name a few bands who surely will be mentioned
Ironically, against was the first sepultura album that i got into . Followed by roots and so on. Love em all, but some are stronger then others..thank you
Arise is when I discovered this band - The Hellraisers from Belo Horizonte . That Death- Thrash sound Everything from Arise to Dead Embryonic Cells to Desperate Cry -- Insane Record >>Sepultura FOREVER 🤘🤘💀💀
Max only scratched the surface with the ethnic thing on Roots, Angra used it properly on Holy Land later the same year.
Sepultura is playing with Testament in Toronto soon should be great.
Arise is their masterpiece in my opinion.
Great show , great to hear
A few ideas for future episodes on a legendary band:
- Death
- Opeth
- Hellhammer/CelticFrost/Triptykon
Certainly enough material for discussion. Also, these bands all made a shift in their sound (some more drastically than others) and have different periods in their career
Beneath The Remains and Arise are equally crushing in my book. Fast, dirty, and dark I could go back and forth as to which one is my favorite hour to hour. Chaos AD was very take it or leave it with me, Territory being the exception, I love that song so much!
Roots expanded on what they started on Chaos AD and I think they really created something special for the time. I still listen to a few tracks from it today. The next few records sorta lost me but I still listened to them with each release. The last 2 (Mediator and MM) I think have seen them finally coming into their own with Derrick on vocals.
Kreator's new record comes out next week! That has to mean they're up next!
My 1st Sepultura album was Arise. I saw the cassette (remember those?) in the "metal" section of a local record shop (remember those also??). One look at the cover art and I thought that this HAS to be good! I was way off...it was AWESOME!!! Respect to the band after Max's departure, but I like the old stuff with him (and Igor). With that said...I am going to go listen to there most recent stuff and give it an open mind!
Arise is the best album
Miss the Revolusongs - the cover album that Sepultura did an outstanding job!
Love this debate... Sepultura is one of my favorite bands no matter what frontman they have, Derrick or Max. Class A band!
Sepultura is originally from a city called Belo Horizonte, the capital of Minas Gerais State in Brazil.
It's the city I was born and raised in.
The Metal scene in the city came to being around a record store (that unfortunately doesn't exist anymore) called Cogumelo (Brazilian Portuguese for mushroom). From afar one was able to see a gathering of long haired young people at the door..
It was know as "that place" where "the misfits" gathered.
The owners of Cogumelo started a record label - Cogumelo records - since nobody but them were bold enough to produce and release records from the local metal bands.
It was at this label that Sepultura recorded its first album, Bestial Devastation, a shared EP with another local band called Overdose, and then went on to record their first full album Morbid Visions. Schizophrenia was also released by Cogumelo records.
The band wasn't very well known in the city until the Beneath the Remains album. Actually the band started to get some notice after they went to Europe for the first time - and that piqued young people's curiosity and interest about them. We knew that their sound was heavy.
Belo Horizonte was actually too small for Sepultura. Soon they started touring around the world to larger and larger crowds.
Some members of other(mostly former ) heavy metal bands from Belo Horizonte criticize the members of Sepultura for never promoting the local bands and the local heavy metal scene. Yet even they agree that the guys from Sepultura were the ones who had guts to go abroad, promote their sounds, stay in close contact with their fan base (they replied to their fans letter). Apparently in the local scene, there was too much drug consumption and drug use.
I still listen to some Sepultura records, even though I've never seen them live. My favorite albums? Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia, Beneath the Remains and Arise. Arise would be my number one.
Me, I think it's odd the fact that I got to pass by Cogumelo stores many times while it was there. I never entered.
And I've been to Bar do Bolao, a place the band used to eat at - great bar, great food.
Clearly the discussion here was only about studio albums but I think Under A Pale Grey Sky should have been a part of the discussion. It's one of the rare live records records that truly captures a band in it's defining moment.
Great show. Congratulations. :)
I've been listening to Sepultura almost since their begining with Max Cavalera as the vocal.
But I only got to see them live years after Max left Sepultura in The Zambujeira do Mar Festival.
And when they were going to preform one of my favorite songs "Policia". They had a problem with the sound . The mic from the vocal stopped working. :-(
Nevertheless it was an epic concert. :)
ROOTS got 15yo me into Sepultura. and I still spin it to this day. so that's my favorite. But I'll easily listen to all Max era and most of the Derrick era. Love the band.
Beneath is on my top three records of all time. I was lucky enough to see them live in Buenos Aires at the end of that tour. We were 500 people there and i remember they attempted a Cro-Mags song but nobody knew about it and they played Sabbath instead. Anyway they played Sex Pistols "Bodies" too. The crowd was a mix of Thrashers, Hardcore kids and punks. Nex year they return with Arise and they were huge. Last time i saw them live was on the Chaos AD tour and they were massive. I personally love the Schizo/Beneath/Arise trilogy. Horns up!
A-lex really is a special album... definitely my favourite of the lot.
Fuckin A brotha I'm with you I think it's a masterpiece in it's own right and very underappreciated
49:26 Yeah, it's Sepultura's plan.
It's impressive to see how both of them got their predictions right when commenting on Machine Messiah. First, Danko Jones' precision, he immediately placed MM as the beginning of a new era for the band. Definitely yes! Secondly, both said that MM seemed to be the preview of something even grander, that MM would be to the next album like Schizophrenia was to Beneath the Remains and Chaos AD was to Roots. And that was exactly it. Quadra is magnificent! It is Sepultura’s masterpiece in the 21st Century.
Awesome. Thank you, Sam. Hail Banger TV.
I loved Sepultura so much through Roots- this was a great walk through memory lane and informative as well
If you wanna figure out the best of Sepultura, it's sth between Beneath The Remains and Roots but I particulary preffer Chaos AD than everything else. In my opinion, without C.A., Roots wouldn't even exist.
Cheers from Brazil!!
Beneath the Remains is one of my favourite albums of all time. It's so fast and heavy and full of catchy hooks.
The band was so hungry to prove their worth on the world stage. The guys at Roadrunner would have been doing back flips after hearing it for the first time. Just knowing their investment was going to pay off.
Great show !!! More of these please !
Arise has a euphoric sound that no other sepultura album has.
Old Sepultura is by far my favorite metal band, with each album they evolved, always delivering the goods. beneath, arise & chaos are the band's peak points, cant decide which one is better, beneath has this raw energy to it and arise sounds mature and serious, then the change in chaos just came as a breath of fresh air. Roots flirts too much with the nü metal scene of the time for my taste but i still enjoy it. With that said just imagine how that tour with sepultura & pantera back in the early 90's was?!?!? Fuk, i envy those who could witness it and got to fuck shit up.
great show guys.... my vote is for Arise, but Schizophrenia a close second...... great idea for Lock Horns
Good show with healthy discussion.
Coming off beneath/arise albums, i didnt undestand where the band chose to go with chaos and roots, then a friend reintrodued me to them late in the roots period and i "got" it. Brutal and groovy which I love and still listen to these albums to this day.
Chaos AD is a masterpiece, and a true original. Arise is good, but to me sounds like they used justice for all as a big influence
I always though that it sounds like and Justice For All.
gaytallica has nothing to do with the mighty sepultura....get real bro
Kick-ass episode!
love this format of video. glad you picked Sepultura, a band that needs to be recognized. A quick suggestion for anothe video: Overkill or Nuclear Assault!
fuck yeaaa, just woke up and saw this and i'm fuckin stoked for the next 52 minutes
Beneath , Arise, Chaos AD, Roots, a four war tie for my favorites. I took Max's side back in the day, but I love his stuff and I think Derick Green is a great frontman, and I love everything since Dante
Surprised there was so little love for Chaos A.D Some really great songs on that one
Arise is amazing! so is every other album they did .
A-lex is the best green era imo. Everything following it is also great i think.
The reality is, if Max stayed, Sepultura would become a Soulfly with better instrumental work. Thinking about it now I am glad they parted ways, allowing the band to do the shifts they want in terms of sonority, wether we liked or not. They for sure seem as happy as ever, and they are living their best moment in Derrick's era.
And I need to say that Machine Messiah is by far their best album with Derrick. Intense, diverse guitar works, Derrick's vocals are clear and with a lot of feeling (not just barks). I think that part of that is due to Eloy's energy, the kid is a monster and raised the bar for the other guys.
1. Arise
2, Beneath The Remains
3. Schizophrenia
Schizophrenia may be one one the most underrated albums in all of metal. It has some of the most mind blowing riffs I have ever heard. It doesn't get the praise it should because of the production. Look at most of the early albums from a lot of those thrash bands. They didn't have the best production, but many of those albums get praised. Schizophrenia is right up there with early Slayer, Exodus, Kreator etc...
I personally prefer Derrick over Max. MM is about to become my favorite Sepultura album - my first 10/10 of the year!
What’s your opinion on Quadra? Better than Machine Messiah?
thanks for this sam!loved the program.cheers
Beneath the remains is my pic for top Sepultura album. Bought it Wayback when it was released. Also gets my pick for one of the best album covers of all time along with corners punishment for decadence.
Muito bacana! Abraço do Brasil!!!
Other suggestions for the cowbell:
- Dimebell Darrell
- Tony Bellomi
- Richie Bellmore
"Arise" is my favorite album, I´ve got two of them, the regular one and the other is a special version "rough mixes limited edition for rock in rio" produced, engineered and mixed by Scott Burns.
Best name for the cowbell I have heard until now is still "Bellhammer"
Im a die-hard Chaos AD fan because it's simply the most uniquely Sepultura album. It sets them apart from everything else in metal, as there is very little comparable albums to Chaos AD out there from any other band
Thanks Sam for the amazing content.
I always used use slayer references when it comes to Sepultura. Schizophrenia was more Hell Awaits. Beneath was more like South of Heaven, Arise was moe Reign in Blood, and Chaos was more like Seasons. Can't pick a favorite though. Like picking a favorite Slayer or Sabbath record. Later albums alright, but nothing up against these three. Arise and Beneath were the best.
Danko is a cool guy. Great co-host.
Anyway. ROOTS gets my vote. It's progressive and the album has a rich devotion to South American Culture and their instruments. This is Tribal metal at its best!!! Absolutely fucking brilliant album. The best South American metal expression and the album inspired Max further to invent and form the great SOULFLY! 👍
Any chance for an episode of this on In Flames? Huge change in their sound over the years
max's book is a great read i highly recommend it...i also posted a review
Arise is by far their best album that being said I love Roots without that album I wouldnt have even discovered Sepultura. Also Roots had a lot of fast songs on it on the last end, and also there were also a lot of crushing riffs on that album i dont care what anyone says Attitude is one of their best songs imo up there with all the other thrash stuff
Its a tough call for me between Beneath The Remains and Arise, if I had to choose just one of those two; both albums represent (in my opinion) the band at its finest.
I still keep my Beneath The Remains tape even though I no longer have a functional tape player.
love this show thank you banger.
Although they pull it off live as a 3 piece. Two guitars sound so much better! Rounds out that Sepultura sound. Most recent album and the one before awesome albums. The last two best of the Derrick era.
In the very early rehearsals they used broom sticks for drum sticks. That's how raw that shit was.
Play! No matter what.
Who the hell is Danko Jones? Is he famous in Canada? Seems to be some kinda pubrocker?
But anyway, I like him as a co-host, he clearly knows about the band (so far from what I've seen) and has some personality...
39:39 Sepultura had already released 8 albums with Derrick Green on vocals, but Lisa only put 4 of them in the poll. Which is sad, because *Karios* is my favorite Sepultura album with Derrick, and didnt made it to the poll. Sad, sad, sad.
for me ... CHAOS AD. / ARISE are THE BEST SEPULTURA ALBUMS ... perfect mix of young sepultura and the tribal style sepultura ... \m/ ... \m/ ... \m/ ...
Under the pale grey sky we shall ARISE!!
Why do people default to "the album that introduced me to the band??" That has nothing to do with evaluation at all.
I'm brazilian from Osasco City, São Paulo, nice pronunciation! :-)
HOLY SHIT! These used to be every week?! D:
What is the name of the Danko Jones song they played when introducing him?
Teaser from the band new album Wild Cat, coming March 3.
This was fantastic. I'd love to see a album-by-album Locked Horn look at Mastodon and especially *Slayer*. Maybe wait till March for the new Mastodon but you could do the Slayer episode right now. Although it would just be a debate about what the second best Slayer album after South of Heaven is. (if you disagree, see what I mean? It would be a great discussion).
Hmmm. You might be onto something Erik. :_)
You should do a lock horns show on Iced Earth, I've picked up a few that I really like the Framing Armageddon with Tim Ripper Owens on vocals but they have such a long history and so many eras it would be an interesting debate.
(1) Beneath the Remains
(2) Arise
And thats pretty much all I care about (Brazilian here)
1. Chaos AD
2. Arise
3. Beneath The Remains
4. Roots
I first heard the band with Arise.
Arise and Orgasmatron, two of my favourites on this album.
this show is awsome, keep up the good work. more cowbell!
Sepultura Brazilian proud / Sepultura orgulho brasileiro
1. beneath the remains
2 arise
3. morbid vision
4. roots
5. schizophrenia
6. chaos a.d
Kris Radke yea right lol
@Kris Radke Fuck off Roots is miles better
I'd love to see one of these on testament so much stuff to cover
Weird....I thought Nation was amazing. I also find it weird when people say that the intensity was lost when Igor left. He's awesome but did anyone really pay attention to the drummers that came after him? Nasty man. Just nasty.
wilful ignorance is responsible for that.... just people whom are stuck in the distant past.
True, the drummers after Igor were amazing, the music not.
@@iiwi758 Of course Eloy is much better than Igor. He is just insane!!!
@@virus3103 the two albums with Dolabella are their weakest albums for sure.
If I hadn't watched Metal Evolution, I would have never known about Sepultura. Thank you Sam!