"sideloading" shouldn't even be a term. it should just be called installing, like it was before smartphones existed and slowly sucked the freedom from us like mosquitoes. I'm sure windows has tried this too, or at least wants to do it. That could practically destroy the indie program space. having it happen on Mac is bad, imagine what it will be like when it inevitably comes to Windows too.
Apple was not the first to do that tho, it was the console manufacturers, specifically Nintendo, back in 1985 when they launched the NES they put a DRM chip into the console that prevented games that were not digitally signed by them from run, something that the original Famicom models didn't have. And that was after the 83' crash, Nintendo used what happened to Atari as an excuse to close its platform. this manifested itself in its digtal form in the 7th gen with the PS3 and Xbox 360, where you could only install games and other stuff from the store.
I hate that word so much. Since when is downloading and running programs I find on the internet or physical media "side loading" when that's the method I've been using software since the 90s?
@@claudiodiaz9752 You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
I agree it's a fake term. If you go back far enough (not that far even) side-loading used to just be called installing programs. It only became a term with the Android/iOS duopoly (because they have stores). I still disagree in using a store on a computer because that's just not the way things should be. So far, existing like this is only easy on Windows.
The future is looking more and more bright. Everyone uses linux on their computers instead of windows/mac, people use linux phones instead of android because after many updates google/apple makes it impossible to write 3rd party apps without paying hundreds of dollars for them to approve it, and due to their restrictive measures many apps get ported to linux phones and it becomes a viable alternative, then big tech wonders why nobody uses their platforms anymore
This is incorrect information, you can still open the apps from the security settings. They just removed the right click to bypass, which very few people knew about. I just tested an unsigned app on 15.1
This makes more sense. Not that Apple wouldn’t do it if they could but if you couldn’t “sideload” (should be just called install) an app then you couldn’t develop an app for Mac in the first place and the only way to build an iOS app would be via eg. React Native on Windows. I’d say it’s more likely one day Apple will make you pay for a certain version or developer account etc. to run unsigned apps like we’ve seen Microsoft do on RT and S.
Yup I did as well. While the video has alot of FUD over this, Apple's end goal I think really is to lock out unsigned apps completely. I can see them coming up with some sort of OSS Signing thing in the future that would be free.
@@Cappyey I think Bryan was denouncing the trend - when i starting computing this was called "loading" now its "sideloading" as it's something shady and users need to be somehow protected from themselves. If Apple wants to offer a "sterilized" ( or "notarized" as they put it since extra fees obviously apply ) maybe they should present a disclaimer when the OS boots where the user can read and accept the relevant risks and let them be...
@@EstraNiato First of all it’s only 4 clicks to open an unsigned app. Second of all you can just turn that off so it never asks you. You’re overthinking an extremely simple feature.
So after everyone spent 10 years begging Apple to make the iPad a Mac, they decided to make the Mac an iPad. But don't worry, you'll still have to own both 😅
1:45 apple jailbreaking nerd here. signing and notarizing binaries are similar but distinct; anyone can sign a binary with a certificate they made, but for the binary to be allowed to run under default options it needs to be notarized, which means it has to have a signature verified by apple.
There is no way the EU lets this happen. Bring this to their attention, and hope they haven't paid off enough legislators like they did for Articles 11 and 13. The Commission already slapped Apple with sideloading on iOS, and with USB-C charging ports.
@@Cappyey Or you run that command, then approve it in settings. But yes, it is very annoying you can no longer just right click and run. I do that all the time. Anyway, just decided to turn Gatekeeper off. Enough of this BS - I know what I want to run. Just give me a popup the first time something runs to make sure nothing new starts running without my permission and stop asking Apple about whether it should be trusted. I don't care if Apple trusts, I care that I know about it and can make a decision whether to trust it. This whole thing about Apple "helping" me figure out what to trust forcefully is super irritating.
@@HappyQuailsLCI don't know where Lunduke got his information this time, but I have a Mac running 15.1 and I can still add exceptions in the settings. You can also disable Gatekeeper completely with a terminal command.
It is like some HP printers, where you buy the printer and ink, but you cant use it until you pay by subscription for the software ( ink related software, not the driver ) . Or it wont move. The idea comes from Salesforce, stock sticker CRM. Sadly, it is the future trend.
Bryan, your 20:40 comment about the car not starting if you replace the radio has been a reality for two decades. My 2000 Chevy Impala and most other GM cars back then would fail to start if you removed the radio. The radio module was on the local data bus and if the PCM, BCM, and radio didn't all authenticate together, the security system would fault. I had a failed splice in a crimp in my OBD2 port that caused the bus to be broken there and triggered this exact issue. It was INFURIATING. That was the early 2000s. Ship has sailed.
I had a Grand Am, I think it was an 03. I had the original radio hacked up to be smaller and shoved in the glovebox. It wasn't just the engine, it was other modules and the ignition key binger power windows, etc.. In my case I only wanted a better radio in there. The radio that went in was a Scion/Pioneer unit. I got it working. The new radio since it was a Toyota unit had a trick with the ignition key that allowed the radio LCD to be changed to read something different. I changed it to read Gran Dammit on startup. I also installed a line in for mp3s on the face of the radio, bypassing the aftermarket harness I would have to buy to do the same thing. This was after 3 bad junkyard factory units. As to engine function... If you don't need emissions checks you can run on an older ECU that works with that engine, or run an aftermarket engine computer. One possibility is a Speeduino, an Arduino based ECU. You can't use an older ECU if it needs to pass emissions, you can run newer, but there are rules, and aftermarket is likely a no go. Check engine light and all emissions devices have to work OBDII plug even has to be within certain area near the driver. If you're gifted with hacking ability you could make a dummy signal that simulates the radio being in the circuit. But then you lose the ability for OBDII communication to the other modules for the body, airbags, and ABS, etc.. Which doesn't necessarily mean they won't work, just that you won't be able to read codes until you reinstall a factory radio in the loop. Unless you can also simulate communication with the other side of the system and just separate the 2. There were factory radios that came after that where a VIN mismatch with parts would cause the new used radio to not work. Sometimes you could get a dealer to reprogram, sometimes the radio needed a code from the last owner. It all varied by manufacturer. The Bus referred to is CANBUS, it's like USB for cars. Sometimes you can plug a CAN device in the wrong place and get it to work. Verify the part is good and the connector isn't if the problem goes away. One last thing modern PCM and such look for changes. SO if you dummy out a fuel tank level sensor and it never changes it will also throw a code. For some reason that one goes back to 98 even. So my 94 with a 99 ECU swap has a check engine light for that and the automatic transmission codes, which are non-existent since it's a manual. No performance hit though it makes an extra 10-15hp from the upgrade. Better gas mileage too.
Modern computing is like being trapped in a flooding room. The room is gradually filling up, but only so slowly that you can't see the water gaining height. Eventually, the air space will be so tight you are gasping for the breath of freedom, and than it will be gone. As you're drowning, you look at the exit door of the room, and there's a little icon of a penguin on it. As you frantically start swimming towards the door, you feel something lock around your leg: A chain.
@@MoogMuskie You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
Been a Windows developer for several years, and it's a pain to sign apps. You now need a FIPS USB key, and certificate since June last year. It's not cheap. Recently started developing for iOS and Android too. They are all just as bad. As far as I can see, it's just an excuse for the big companies to gain more profit as you have to use their store. It doesn't protect you from malware. Big criminal organizations can easily pay for certificates.
I quit Apple some years ago because it became more and more difficult to run the software I wanted to, when I wanted to, which is what computers are about IMO. It felt like I spent more and more time jumping over barriers than using my computer.
I had a hackintsosh for over 8 years, and about 3 years ago I was convinced open source and Linux is the right way... Now I realize Linux is just another CIA asset and linus torvalds is an absolute psychopathic xenophobe. I mean, it was pretty obvious he was never a stable individual before, with all his outbursts and profanity. But now he reveled himself completely, so now its unclear where Linux is going... probably fragmentation.
Anyone remember the Mac vs PC ads, I guess it's time for Linux vs Mac equivalents of these as a YT campaign showing how much easier it is to install open source software on Linux than Mac OS. Mac OS used to be about making computers easy to use, I guess that's the past now?
@@daveamies5031 You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
I miss when Apple's creative energy was focused on making cool computers and operating systems. Now it's used almost entirely to control its users. That 1984 Apple ad is aging like cheese on a radiator.
Once all these platforms are fully locked down, I fear that anyone providing a means to bypass the restrictions is going to be charged with violating DMCA laws.
they probably wouldn't dare try that, because they don't want the supreme court looking at things and setting precedents. they prefer to operate legal grey areas as much as possible.
technically you can set your terminal or code editor as a "developer tool" in system settings (allowing it to bypass notarization requirements), but who knows when they'll remove that.
As a contributor to an open source app made by people who dont have apple hardware I can say our stuff won't get a cert because we are not going to pay apple $100 a year for terms of service. Our users can currently manually approve the unsigned app. If they block the binaries outright we will offer osx as a self compile only for those users because were a python based app and the binary was just to spare the setup.
Apple neutralized the threat of competition in their monolopy. Apple doesn't care what software you install but they hate that you install software that hasn't pay them the permission to be installed. Gatekeeper!!! they couldn't a more ironic name. This is a real slap in the face to FOSS software developers and people that make software for themselves or even for clients.
It is a slippery slope. I said this with UEFI and Secure Boot back in the Windows 8 days. The CoPilot plus PCs have the Pluton chip in them (a separate chip with its own network stack and os, like the Intel ME) and Apple is boiling the frog to move Mac users to only using the App Store. Sad times we are living in. With all the drama with the Linux kernel and maintainers, I guess I should start learning FreeBSD….
How remarkable that you just mentioned "Gatekeeper", because I was just thinking about how the various "Play Stores", act as just that. Gatekeepers. And how using more accurate names would more factually reflect their function. This, instead of merely crediting them with being "a store", when their primary functions extend to exterting supervisory controls, which so quickly and routinely transcend into social interference, when seemingly usurping the needed authority to do.
Running 15.1 and can’t say I’ve noticed a difference. I do some pretty low-level development and this affects me exactly none of the time. Believe me - I don’t install much from the Mac store and never have. The counterpoint to this is that it’s precisely this kind of move that keeps macOS secure. I’ve worked in the software industry for 30+ years and I’d far rather deal with Apple OS “restrictions” than the dumpster fire that Windows has become and a lot of Linux projects are rapidly becoming.
@@pauljenkins714 On Windows alone there is no problem whatsoever if you simply forbid a user to run anything as admin. If we are talking about administration of Win PCs where you have AD and a detailed way to configure what they can and can't do. Even without AD you create a user account limited on what they do and it removes the problem. Home user is self responsible on what he does with it. Having a corpo mother thinking for you is annoying.
As someone who owns a 2016 Macbook, and a bunch of Windows devices, who's also used brand new Macbooks and brand new Windows laptops at work, I will say there are some things Apple do better than anybody. Apple has for 10+ years (and still have) the best touchpads, their laptops still have some of the best speakers, and their screens are obviously really nice. The fact that their "air" laptops don't use the fan most of the time due to the whole thing being a damn heatsink is also a marvel of engineering. Aside from that, the full metal chassis is totally badass. It's still unrepairable unencrypted garbage, but they do things better than anyone else. My favourite laptop at the moment is a Dell E6410 so I'm not exactly an Apple fanboy, but I give them credit.
you can't download and run unsiged binary buddy, it was signed. this was a problem 2 years ago, I was not able to run inkscape because it was not signed.
"Gates wasn't thinking along those lines either" What time are you talking about here? He ABSOLUTELY started thinking like that somewhere in the 1980s. It was a different world still, but Microsoft has for decades now done what they thought they'd get away with to discourage 3rd party applications, especially those which competed with Microsoft applications. This has been part of various anti-trust cases they got involved in if you want proof for that. This isn't the same as what they are doing now? Only for as far as the actual 'implementation' goes. Trying to remove the ability to even try to use such apps unless approved by MS from end-users is merely the latest step MS is moving to, but the thought behind it is absolutely no different from 35 years ago, and it is outright naive to think MS, and Gates by extension, were in favor of you installing and running whatever you want without MS having control over that. In the late 1980s they wouldn't have gotten away with pushing that the way they do now, there were too many alternative platforms. But Apple demonstrated you DO get away with this since the mid 2000s, with their closed ecosystem for iPhones, and every commercial organisation will be trying to achieve the same. Thinking this was different in 1977 is still somewhat right, but suggesting MS, or Gates, wasn't trying to stop you from using software unless MS approved of it by 1990 is, extremely naive and ignorant of an important part of the history of microcomputer use.
I do think there is the risk that developers will just drop Apple. IBM got burned bad trying to lock down the IBM PC standard with the PS/2 so what would make the results be different for Apple? Like IBM it could take years play out but the Apple desktop already is not that more healthy then it was during the Mac's malaise era during the mid 90s.
This sounds like Apple is tempting someone to take them to court in a country with consumer protection laws, pretty sure this would fall foul of the Australian consumer laws as it's taking away functionality from a computer that it had at time of purchase, now we just need someone willing to make that complaint and a decent consumer protection lawyer willing to test the limits of consumer protection laws.
The people adopting Linux in the 90s weren't doing it so much for what was happening in the 90s but for what we could see coming (though you didn't have to be particularly prescient considering what *was* happening)..
I use everything... and am slowly becoming a user of Linux only. The threat that Apple perceives is that they won't be able to make even more money through cuts from income that really belong to the third-party developers. Fortunately there will always be alternatives and I've probably already purchased my last Windows and Mac hardware. Tuxedo Computers must be laughing all the way to the bank.
I was on the Mac OSX bandwagon from 2007 until 2021. My last mac had the m1 processor in it. The lack of flexibility with the OS and the soldered down RAM and storage space really turned me off. I went right back to linux and I do not miss osx. No more overpriced toasters.
This was a bug, as can be seen from the buggy error message itself. This particular bug seems to appear when there’s a problem with the existing code signature, not no signature at all. In any case, it doesn’t affect any code you build, and package managers like MacPorts or Homebrew (or conda/pip/etc.) work fine. You can also use the ‘codesign’ tool to remove the existing signature and even re-sign it yourself to fix this problem. I think you jumped the gun. Apple could never lock down macOS that way, as it would make macOS useless as a developer machine, which is one of Apple’s biggest markets. How many developers do you think Apple itself has? Though, it’s pretty embarrassing that Apple didn’t catch the problem before releasing 18.1.
Turning off Gatekeeper altogether is a bad idea. For all its annoying flaws, Gatekeeper serves several useful functions. When you install an app through Gatekeeper, the installer actually gets its own little isolated virtual sandbox environment in which to run, which reduces the likelihood of installing malware. Disabling Gatekeeper completely removes that sandbox. So Apple has created a far worse situation by basically forcing everyone to completely disable a useful OS feature just to use their OS.
Can you give an example of a "sideloading" that's failed? I've been installing software on my machine using homebrew and not having any issues with any software in the repo.
@@T-Ball-o Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but the only reason you'd want to bypass the gatekeeper is if you wanted to install a kernel extension. Wasn't that what caused the whole windows outage a few months ago when the installation software wanted to update a kernel module on windows but it had the wrong instruction in it? TBH, you will need to have a really good reason to install a kernel extension on your machine. 99% of computer users (windows and mac) don't do this. Even Linux and FreeBSD users rarely install kernel extensions.
All in the name of security. To protect end users from themselves from running dangerous software. But this is getting to point of "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." And I think we should start protesting with that chant.
I kinda get it though. In the coming age of AI and International cyberwars, there needs to be additional protection of the average person. There are real threat scenarios where real arm can be caused by a rogue AI agent and international cyber criminals can get access to normal people's computers and cause harm, more protection is needed. All of these may not be real threats now but it's best we get used to it on a consumer OS like the mac. Switch to Linux for serious work and leave the mac for normal people.
These corporations could not do it without the government’s compliance or even approval. Is this guy too scared to make this next logical step in his complaints?
Sadly, I don't think people will care. New macos versions make it a lot easier to mirror iPhones and have a ton of GenAI tools integrated with the system.
oh wow, they actually did remove it entirely, even through privacy and security, so if you wanna do it you need to pull up the terminal and disable their security entirely, how is that a feature?
@@jay-cm This is not just from Lunduke, it's all over the mac and hackintosh spaces, macrumors suggests it works differently on x86 macs than it does on the M series, it's possible this only applies to M-series macs. They say for compatibility reasons on x86 this does not apply and you can still run unsigned code just fine, on my work M1 laptop it won't allow you to run them unless you go to Privacy and Security, but on my personal x86 2013 macbook running Sequoia through opencore (Linux didn't work that well on it sadly but i tried) it works fine, so i do believe from my own testing there is a difference
@@SXZ-devI tested on an M1, you can still open unsigned apps from settings or removing quaratine with the terminal. I can't comment on opencore, that could bring issues since it's unofficial. Still the premise of this whole video is wrong.
I had bought an M1 Macbook air, mostly to eventually mess around with Linux and maybe keep a partition with Mac OS on it to be able to interface with my iOS devices. Now it seems like I won't even be able to if they keep this kinda stuff up. If malicious ads weren't all over the internet it wouldn't be a problem, you know, encouraging use of content blockers.
Code signing and notarizing are two different things. Code signing requires a paid developer account but software doesn't get checked by Apple. Notarization is a level above code signing where the software needs to be uploaded to Apple to be checked. I release betas with code signatures and but no notarization. I notarize the finals. Two days ago I downloaded and installed software without a code signature on 15.1. I just had to go into Settings--Privacy & Security to allow the exception. It's pretty rare that I need to run any software without a code signature. It's somewhat common that I run software without notarization. And I like running odd hack software. So although your general point is right about the encroachment on freedom and the requirements for developers has become more cumbersome to have our software accepted by the public, and users have to approve more actions of the software, from my experience I didn't find your report to be quite accurate. In fact the subject of the video is entirely wrong in my experience. Also, I never heard of sideloading as a term used on the Mac, just on the mobile OSes.
Was thinking about upgrading from my 2013 Mac Pro, now I'm having second thoughts, since I still run and use a few apps that didn't come from the App store. It's a pretty big deal-breaker for me.
What the hell? Yeah, sideloading had a very specific definition of the method of installing software. Usually it required adb and connected up to a computer. Hence, 'loading a program from something off to the side.' Similar to downloading software...
Anyone who receives a message like this when installing software has the obligation to sue Apple for a large amount, so large that it sends the message that customers do not want this type of policy! It hasn't happened to me yet, but I will certainly do it if I receive a warning like this.
Running the command to disable the gatekeeper requires fumbling around in the system settings. I ran the command and received this "Globally disabling the assessment system needs to be confirmed in System Settings."
In 10 years from now Apple users will be expected to have a branded logo on their foreheads to prove loyalty. Thing is, I suspect many will agree to have this done!
cory doctorow talked about this several years ago, they want total control of your pc in which they will be able to control what you can run and can't run, they hate you having a general purpose machine in your hands
Two points: 1. Would this move make VMs somehow illegal, as you could install (for example) an older OS alongside your restrictive 15.1 and you could install whatever software you wanted in the VM, and just use the drag and drop features of the guest OS to put the - cough, "illegal", cough - software's output onto the host? 2. As Mac OS is based on Unix, wouldn't Apple have to remove (or cripple) the Terminal app to prevent the 'sudo' disabling of Gatekeeper? Because if they didn't, users will always be able to do the sudo disable, assuming they know about it. So that may have longer to live than you suggest ...
Apple is ensuring my next laptop will be a framework, any software I want, fully repairable and upgradeable. I should not be so worried about updating every time. I can't even control my fans anymore. I hope this bites them where it hurts.
For mobile, the consequence has been few truly free apps - mostly ad supported or data harvesting. Adware and spyware used to be frowned on in PCs, with some antimalware even offering to remove it.
This is the same high handed arrogance that we've got with regards certificates & recall. Seriously, everyone is going all in on the "mother knows best (or else!)" mentality. After windows 10 goes EOL, I'm heading for Mint.
Agreed, my friend. If you’ve already done this, then please forgive my unsolicited advice: You can actually start the ‘switch’ now by replacing some of the Microsoft software you already use with open source alternatives (eg. outlook email client with Thunderbird or Betterbird, Office to LibreOffice or OnlyOffice, etc…) Then when you finally switch to Mint, it won’t feel so foreign because it already comes with the programs you’ve been using. Anyways, hope this helps (unless you already knew all of this). Cheers!
@@Lazdinger Manny thanks for the advice. I've used Mint (Mate & Cinnamon) before but struggled with games (despite proton etc). I'm looking at a dual installer of windows 10 & cinnamon perhaps. I need to think it through. All I can tell you is that I'm not going back to windows 11. I'm familiar with Libre Office but do need to look at the email alts. Cheers again
dont expect it to go completely, that would cause legal problems. it will just keep getting harder to do so, ultimate goal is to make it effectively impossible for vast majority of users whilst remaining technically possible. the process is there to acclimate users to that eventual status quo - those who already accepted it will not cause ruckus with each new step, whilst large part of those prepared to jump through the hoops will not consider small difficulty increases worthwhile to fight over either. nb. you can bet there is team/department in apple that is making models and predicting responses, finetuning this process
Uploading fees, Downloading fees, and now Sideloading fees, as if these macbooks are given away for free! Hopefully a solution will be found, akin to Let's Encrypt with SSL certificates.
This is the end of any free desktop app for MacOS ecosystem. No free software will be available for MacOS. And it is not even one signature per build. It is a damn annual subscription.
Class action lawsuit against Apple in 3, 2, 1.... Needs to also force Apple to reinstate the ability to install unsigned apps onto any device. How is someone supposed to develop and test software on a Mac? You can't digitally sign everything.
Couldn't agree more with your outrage... what do you think is the way forward for liberty lovers? What do you think is a free-market answer to this challenge? Is it possible that such drakonian control will cause competition to produce liberty alternatives?
So if I was making a game in a game engine be it Unity, Unreal, Godot etc, finished it up make it into an application, and wanted to test it out on the computer it was developed on - then I wouldn't be able to run it - is this correct? What if I was doing a computer course on app development compiled i into an executable would I be able to run it? What about a web dev project that runs on the back and front end would that be able to run?
Thats great. Its modus operandi of that company. Thanks for reminding me why i avoid apple. They may have best hardware but i would never jump into their eco system. Which is not eco and not a system, but a scam.
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Restricting what the user can install on THEIR computer should be illegal.
I’m fine with giving warnings and sound scary, but I should be at the end of the day be able to install what I want. Particularly as a developer.
apple doesn't sell devices, they sell "an experience".
@@mug786 aka an Appliance, not a computer
They aren’t restricting anything. You need to approve unsigned apps in the settings app. Apple isn’t stopping anything
Stop buying Apple gear, solved
"sideloading" shouldn't even be a term. it should just be called installing, like it was before smartphones existed and slowly sucked the freedom from us like mosquitoes. I'm sure windows has tried this too, or at least wants to do it. That could practically destroy the indie program space. having it happen on Mac is bad, imagine what it will be like when it inevitably comes to Windows too.
Windows has done this with Windows RT, a version of Windows 8 that could only use the Microsoft store.
@@bradleytreinen And it sucked.
"Sideloading" is a propaganda term
Windows 10S. Though, you could turn it off in the settings app.
Apple was not the first to do that tho, it was the console manufacturers, specifically Nintendo, back in 1985 when they launched the NES they put a DRM chip into the console that prevented games that were not digitally signed by them from run, something that the original Famicom models didn't have.
And that was after the 83' crash, Nintendo used what happened to Atari as an excuse to close its platform. this manifested itself in its digtal form in the 7th gen with the PS3 and Xbox 360, where you could only install games and other stuff from the store.
Don 't use the term sideloading that's their language of control.
You are absolutely right,broth
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I agree. It should instead be
Sideloading = Installing
App Store Installing = Restricted Licensing
I hate that word so much. Since when is downloading and running programs I find on the internet or physical media "side loading" when that's the method I've been using software since the 90s?
true, sideloading in android terms means to install another custom rom ("adb sideload")
Side loading, also known as using your computer.
@@claudiodiaz9752 You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
I agree it's a fake term. If you go back far enough (not that far even) side-loading used to just be called installing programs. It only became a term with the Android/iOS duopoly (because they have stores). I still disagree in using a store on a computer because that's just not the way things should be. So far, existing like this is only easy on Windows.
Apple, Google, and Microsoft are now basically the HOA of your purchased devices
The future is looking more and more bright. Everyone uses linux on their computers instead of windows/mac, people use linux phones instead of android because after many updates google/apple makes it impossible to write 3rd party apps without paying hundreds of dollars for them to approve it, and due to their restrictive measures many apps get ported to linux phones and it becomes a viable alternative, then big tech wonders why nobody uses their platforms anymore
House of Assholes?
it's not only about software, every kind of freedom will be taken from people
Correct. Cars, cash, operating systems, opinions, you name it.
Your name will be taken away and you will be signed with number
This is incorrect information, you can still open the apps from the security settings.
They just removed the right click to bypass, which very few people knew about.
I just tested an unsigned app on 15.1
This makes more sense. Not that Apple wouldn’t do it if they could but if you couldn’t “sideload” (should be just called install) an app then you couldn’t develop an app for Mac in the first place and the only way to build an iOS app would be via eg. React Native on Windows. I’d say it’s more likely one day Apple will make you pay for a certain version or developer account etc. to run unsigned apps like we’ve seen Microsoft do on RT and S.
You can still disable SIP too, bypassing the whole issue altogether (if you really wanted to)
Yup I did as well. While the video has alot of FUD over this, Apple's end goal I think really is to lock out unsigned apps completely. I can see them coming up with some sort of OSS Signing thing in the future that would be free.
On a side note, removing the option was unnecessary.
I didn’t even know I could right click it. And I install unsigned apps fairly regularly.
It's kins of scary that the initial Mac ad was about Orwell's 1984 and the late Apple ended up fully embracing that kind of mentality :)
They have been lying to you since then. Steve Jobs always HATED open computing. For him, since the Macintosh, computer were appliances.
@@EstraNiato Unsigned app still run pn 15.1, you just need to approve it in settings.
@@Cappyey I think Bryan was denouncing the trend - when i starting computing this was called "loading" now its "sideloading" as it's something shady and users need to be somehow protected from themselves. If Apple wants to offer a "sterilized" ( or "notarized" as they put it since extra fees obviously apply ) maybe they should present a disclaimer when the OS boots where the user can read and accept the relevant risks and let them be...
@@EstraNiato First of all it’s only 4 clicks to open an unsigned app. Second of all you can just turn that off so it never asks you. You’re overthinking an extremely simple feature.
It's called marketing or a lie
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I'm so happy VALVe has made Linux so much more accessible
I guess Valve have no choice now, as if MS and Apple get their way Valve would have to go through the OS approved store with the OS taking their 30%.
Linus already deciced to speedrun bankrupcy
Thanks to Linus, there's some dark clouds in the horizon for Linux as well.
So after everyone spent 10 years begging Apple to make the iPad a Mac, they decided to make the Mac an iPad. But don't worry, you'll still have to own both 😅
this is a little off. you can install unsigned apps still,
hell you can head into the option and disable it all together.
@@BrotherO4 for now
And you will in reality not own either.
@@Dave102693You think Apple is going to drop their biggest markets, which is developers and creative professionals? What would they gain from it?
1:45 apple jailbreaking nerd here. signing and notarizing binaries are similar but distinct; anyone can sign a binary with a certificate they made, but for the binary to be allowed to run under default options it needs to be notarized, which means it has to have a signature verified by apple.
There is no way the EU lets this happen. Bring this to their attention, and hope they haven't paid off enough legislators like they did for Articles 11 and 13. The Commission already slapped Apple with sideloading on iOS, and with USB-C charging ports.
@@wristcontr0l You can run unsigned apps, you just have to approve them in settings.
@@Cappyey Or you run that command, then approve it in settings.
But yes, it is very annoying you can no longer just right click and run. I do that all the time.
Anyway, just decided to turn Gatekeeper off. Enough of this BS - I know what I want to run. Just give me a popup the first time something runs to make sure nothing new starts running without my permission and stop asking Apple about whether it should be trusted. I don't care if Apple trusts, I care that I know about it and can make a decision whether to trust it. This whole thing about Apple "helping" me figure out what to trust forcefully is super irritating.
@@CappyeyThey are no longer doing that as of this update. That is the whole point of this video.
Yes yes, EU will wake up in 10 years and nothing will change. Like "data usage for ads" and facebook
@@HappyQuailsLCI don't know where Lunduke got his information this time, but I have a Mac running 15.1 and I can still add exceptions in the settings. You can also disable Gatekeeper completely with a terminal command.
If they remove "side loading" from Macos...it becomes useless like their phones
So, to get your application signed you have to pay Apple for a developer subscription?
Yes. Every year.
yes
It is like some HP printers, where you buy the printer and ink, but you cant use it until you pay by subscription for the software ( ink related software, not the driver ) . Or it wont move.
The idea comes from Salesforce, stock sticker CRM. Sadly, it is the future trend.
Why people don't protest?
Yes
What is this insanity, all of Microsoft, Apple and Google their own success and systems are built the backs of openness of computer systems.
it's corporate greed and control, pretty much how a psychopath thinks and operates.
@@genma986 No insanity. You can run unsigned apps by approving them in settings. And you can even turn off the feature so they run instantly.
Bryan, your 20:40 comment about the car not starting if you replace the radio has been a reality for two decades. My 2000 Chevy Impala and most other GM cars back then would fail to start if you removed the radio. The radio module was on the local data bus and if the PCM, BCM, and radio didn't all authenticate together, the security system would fault. I had a failed splice in a crimp in my OBD2 port that caused the bus to be broken there and triggered this exact issue. It was INFURIATING.
That was the early 2000s. Ship has sailed.
I had a Grand Am, I think it was an 03. I had the original radio hacked up to be smaller and shoved in the glovebox. It wasn't just the engine, it was other modules and the ignition key binger power windows, etc.. In my case I only wanted a better radio in there. The radio that went in was a Scion/Pioneer unit. I got it working. The new radio since it was a Toyota unit had a trick with the ignition key that allowed the radio LCD to be changed to read something different. I changed it to read Gran Dammit on startup. I also installed a line in for mp3s on the face of the radio, bypassing the aftermarket harness I would have to buy to do the same thing. This was after 3 bad junkyard factory units.
As to engine function... If you don't need emissions checks you can run on an older ECU that works with that engine, or run an aftermarket engine computer. One possibility is a Speeduino, an Arduino based ECU. You can't use an older ECU if it needs to pass emissions, you can run newer, but there are rules, and aftermarket is likely a no go. Check engine light and all emissions devices have to work OBDII plug even has to be within certain area near the driver.
If you're gifted with hacking ability you could make a dummy signal that simulates the radio being in the circuit. But then you lose the ability for OBDII communication to the other modules for the body, airbags, and ABS, etc.. Which doesn't necessarily mean they won't work, just that you won't be able to read codes until you reinstall a factory radio in the loop. Unless you can also simulate communication with the other side of the system and just separate the 2. There were factory radios that came after that where a VIN mismatch with parts would cause the new used radio to not work. Sometimes you could get a dealer to reprogram, sometimes the radio needed a code from the last owner. It all varied by manufacturer. The Bus referred to is CANBUS, it's like USB for cars. Sometimes you can plug a CAN device in the wrong place and get it to work. Verify the part is good and the connector isn't if the problem goes away. One last thing modern PCM and such look for changes. SO if you dummy out a fuel tank level sensor and it never changes it will also throw a code. For some reason that one goes back to 98 even. So my 94 with a 99 ECU swap has a check engine light for that and the automatic transmission codes, which are non-existent since it's a manual. No performance hit though it makes an extra 10-15hp from the upgrade. Better gas mileage too.
2025
Me: Click click
Apple: please provide a photo with you holding your ID card to open this app
Modern computing is like being trapped in a flooding room. The room is gradually filling up, but only so slowly that you can't see the water gaining height. Eventually, the air space will be so tight you are gasping for the breath of freedom, and than it will be gone. As you're drowning, you look at the exit door of the room, and there's a little icon of a penguin on it. As you frantically start swimming towards the door, you feel something lock around your leg:
A chain.
@@MoogMuskie You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
"You'll own nothing and you'll be happy"
Yes and they will be demon food and censored.
We should probably add "If you're a westerner" to that, because the rest of the world pretty much decided to just go its separate way.
Been a Windows developer for several years, and it's a pain to sign apps. You now need a FIPS USB key, and certificate since June last year. It's not cheap. Recently started developing for iOS and Android too. They are all just as bad. As far as I can see, it's just an excuse for the big companies to gain more profit as you have to use their store. It doesn't protect you from malware. Big criminal organizations can easily pay for certificates.
Do you still think that stallman was insane?
Well sure, but people can be two things at once.
Yes but thankfully there are non-insane critics or Apple
Actually, yes, he is, but in this case he is right xd
@@damianateiro And the israeli pagers case??
Nope. Usually the difference between a "conspiracy theory" and fact is about 6 months. Stallman was just decades ahead.
I quit Apple some years ago because it became more and more difficult to run the software I wanted to, when I wanted to, which is what computers are about IMO. It felt like I spent more and more time jumping over barriers than using my computer.
I had a hackintsosh for over 8 years, and about 3 years ago I was convinced open source and Linux is the right way... Now I realize Linux is just another CIA asset and linus torvalds is an absolute psychopathic xenophobe. I mean, it was pretty obvious he was never a stable individual before, with all his outbursts and profanity. But now he reveled himself completely, so now its unclear where Linux is going... probably fragmentation.
How dare we use our personal systems in ways that we want lol
The digital world is getting more dystopian by the day
@@Staravora You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
Anyone remember the Mac vs PC ads, I guess it's time for Linux vs Mac equivalents of these as a YT campaign showing how much easier it is to install open source software on Linux than Mac OS.
Mac OS used to be about making computers easy to use, I guess that's the past now?
@@daveamies5031 You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
Digital gatekeeping should be banned across the board. Companies should have no say in what you can do with anything you buy or use.
Please avoid giving money to people who treat you with contempt.
I've never been happier to be a Linux user as I am today.
I miss when Apple's creative energy was focused on making cool computers and operating systems. Now it's used almost entirely to control its users. That 1984 Apple ad is aging like cheese on a radiator.
Once all these platforms are fully locked down, I fear that anyone providing a means to bypass the restrictions is going to be charged with violating DMCA laws.
they probably wouldn't dare try that, because they don't want the supreme court looking at things and setting precedents. they prefer to operate legal grey areas as much as possible.
@@tux9656 You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
How can developers run their programs now? Will they need to authorize their programs after every recompilation?
My first thought
That’s my question
There are no restrictions on signing your own compiled binaries.
You pay to be Apple developer and able sign your applications with provided keys to you.
technically you can set your terminal or code editor as a "developer tool" in system settings (allowing it to bypass notarization requirements), but who knows when they'll remove that.
As a contributor to an open source app made by people who dont have apple hardware I can say our stuff won't get a cert because we are not going to pay apple $100 a year for terms of service. Our users can currently manually approve the unsigned app. If they block the binaries outright we will offer osx as a self compile only for those users because were a python based app and the binary was just to spare the setup.
Apple neutralized the threat of competition in their monolopy. Apple doesn't care what software you install but they hate that you install software that hasn't pay them the permission to be installed. Gatekeeper!!! they couldn't a more ironic name.
This is a real slap in the face to FOSS software developers and people that make software for themselves or even for clients.
It is a slippery slope. I said this with UEFI and Secure Boot back in the Windows 8 days. The CoPilot plus PCs have the Pluton chip in them (a separate chip with its own network stack and os, like the Intel ME) and Apple is boiling the frog to move Mac users to only using the App Store. Sad times we are living in. With all the drama with the Linux kernel and maintainers, I guess I should start learning FreeBSD….
Indeed, I am looking at FreeBSD as well
Time for the European Union to Step In again and require sideloading to be available.
How remarkable that you just mentioned "Gatekeeper", because I was just thinking about how the various "Play Stores", act as just that. Gatekeepers. And how using more accurate names would more factually reflect their function. This, instead of merely crediting them with being "a store", when their primary functions extend to exterting supervisory controls, which so quickly and routinely transcend into social interference, when seemingly usurping the needed authority to do.
this is why I will never use apple products.
Because all you know about apple products is inaccurate ragebait?
Running 15.1 and can’t say I’ve noticed a difference. I do some pretty low-level development and this affects me exactly none of the time. Believe me - I don’t install much from the Mac store and never have. The counterpoint to this is that it’s precisely this kind of move that keeps macOS secure. I’ve worked in the software industry for 30+ years and I’d far rather deal with Apple OS “restrictions” than the dumpster fire that Windows has become and a lot of Linux projects are rapidly becoming.
@@pauljenkins714 On Windows alone there is no problem whatsoever if you simply forbid a user to run anything as admin. If we are talking about administration of Win PCs where you have AD and a detailed way to configure what they can and can't do. Even without AD you create a user account limited on what they do and it removes the problem.
Home user is self responsible on what he does with it. Having a corpo mother thinking for you is annoying.
@@Arturiens You can run unsigned apps in 15.1, you just need to approve them in settings. And you can just turn off the feature so they run instantly.
As someone who owns a 2016 Macbook, and a bunch of Windows devices, who's also used brand new Macbooks and brand new Windows laptops at work, I will say there are some things Apple do better than anybody. Apple has for 10+ years (and still have) the best touchpads, their laptops still have some of the best speakers, and their screens are obviously really nice. The fact that their "air" laptops don't use the fan most of the time due to the whole thing being a damn heatsink is also a marvel of engineering. Aside from that, the full metal chassis is totally badass.
It's still unrepairable unencrypted garbage, but they do things better than anyone else. My favourite laptop at the moment is a Dell E6410 so I'm not exactly an Apple fanboy, but I give them credit.
Huh? I just installed a precompiled ffmpeg binary, which is not signed, and I was able to run it with the usual method.
Misleading title.
you can't download and run unsiged binary buddy, it was signed. this was a problem 2 years ago, I was not able to run inkscape because it was not signed.
@@jay-j6l You are factually wrong. Unsigned binaries can be allowed from the "Privacy & Security" tab, in the System Settings.
@@jay-j6lu can turn down security of Mac too
Dang, Apple is still super pissed about ‘right to repair’ huh?
1:15 It isnt sideloading that is promoting negative rebranding. It is called ïnstalling your own software"
"Gates wasn't thinking along those lines either"
What time are you talking about here? He ABSOLUTELY started thinking like that somewhere in the 1980s. It was a different world still, but Microsoft has for decades now done what they thought they'd get away with to discourage 3rd party applications, especially those which competed with Microsoft applications. This has been part of various anti-trust cases they got involved in if you want proof for that.
This isn't the same as what they are doing now? Only for as far as the actual 'implementation' goes. Trying to remove the ability to even try to use such apps unless approved by MS from end-users is merely the latest step MS is moving to, but the thought behind it is absolutely no different from 35 years ago, and it is outright naive to think MS, and Gates by extension, were in favor of you installing and running whatever you want without MS having control over that.
In the late 1980s they wouldn't have gotten away with pushing that the way they do now, there were too many alternative platforms.
But Apple demonstrated you DO get away with this since the mid 2000s, with their closed ecosystem for iPhones, and every commercial organisation will be trying to achieve the same.
Thinking this was different in 1977 is still somewhat right, but suggesting MS, or Gates, wasn't trying to stop you from using software unless MS approved of it by 1990 is, extremely naive and ignorant of an important part of the history of microcomputer use.
I do think there is the risk that developers will just drop Apple. IBM got burned bad trying to lock down the IBM PC standard with the PS/2 so what would make the results be different for Apple? Like IBM it could take years play out but the Apple desktop already is not that more healthy then it was during the Mac's malaise era during the mid 90s.
I like the car analogy but the scary thing is more that you can't drive where you want too rather than you can't choose the colour of your car
This sounds like Apple is tempting someone to take them to court in a country with consumer protection laws, pretty sure this would fall foul of the Australian consumer laws as it's taking away functionality from a computer that it had at time of purchase, now we just need someone willing to make that complaint and a decent consumer protection lawyer willing to test the limits of consumer protection laws.
The people adopting Linux in the 90s weren't doing it so much for what was happening in the 90s but for what we could see coming (though you didn't have to be particularly prescient considering what *was* happening)..
Now, I am slowly enabling side loading on Meta Quest 2+, and it is a mess
The change in Apple is just like what happened with Airbnb and Uber: promises of better value swapped once their market position changes
I agree with your analysis.
However, `spctl --global-disable` restores the question asking if you want to install something.
This will also allow any virus to run too if I'm not mistaken. Yes, you can use an antivirus maybe.. this should not be by default
I use everything... and am slowly becoming a user of Linux only. The threat that Apple perceives is that they won't be able to make even more money through cuts from income that really belong to the third-party developers. Fortunately there will always be alternatives and I've probably already purchased my last Windows and Mac hardware. Tuxedo Computers must be laughing all the way to the bank.
I was on the Mac OSX bandwagon from 2007 until 2021. My last mac had the m1 processor in it. The lack of flexibility with the OS and the soldered down RAM and storage space really turned me off. I went right back to linux and I do not miss osx. No more overpriced toasters.
Thanks Apple for making my decision of future Tech *easier*
This was a bug, as can be seen from the buggy error message itself. This particular bug seems to appear when there’s a problem with the existing code signature, not no signature at all. In any case, it doesn’t affect any code you build, and package managers like MacPorts or Homebrew (or conda/pip/etc.) work fine. You can also use the ‘codesign’ tool to remove the existing signature and even re-sign it yourself to fix this problem.
I think you jumped the gun. Apple could never lock down macOS that way, as it would make macOS useless as a developer machine, which is one of Apple’s biggest markets. How many developers do you think Apple itself has?
Though, it’s pretty embarrassing that Apple didn’t catch the problem before releasing 18.1.
Linux does have number of shortcomings, but I wouldn't want to imagine a world without it.
You have realized by now that you actually can open non-notarized 'sideloaded' apps in 15.1 by now right?
Simple. Just vote them out with your wallet.
But I find too many programmers and students carrying Apple.😮
Looking at University around, somewhat less than it used to be circa 2012
Well what are computers even for at this point???
Turning off Gatekeeper altogether is a bad idea. For all its annoying flaws, Gatekeeper serves several useful functions. When you install an app through Gatekeeper, the installer actually gets its own little isolated virtual sandbox environment in which to run, which reduces the likelihood of installing malware. Disabling Gatekeeper completely removes that sandbox. So Apple has created a far worse situation by basically forcing everyone to completely disable a useful OS feature just to use their OS.
I've tried using Apple products before and can't stand them.
Yep. Total garbage.
Can you give an example of a "sideloading" that's failed? I've been installing software on my machine using homebrew and not having any issues with any software in the repo.
Any app that required a gatekeeper bypass in previous OS versions, like small helper apps or small games and emulators. I have to bypass often
@@T-Ball-o Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but the only reason you'd want to bypass the gatekeeper is if you wanted to install a kernel extension. Wasn't that what caused the whole windows outage a few months ago when the installation software wanted to update a kernel module on windows but it had the wrong instruction in it?
TBH, you will need to have a really good reason to install a kernel extension on your machine. 99% of computer users (windows and mac) don't do this. Even Linux and FreeBSD users rarely install kernel extensions.
All in the name of security. To protect end users from themselves from running dangerous software. But this is getting to point of "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." And I think we should start protesting with that chant.
To protect their profits...
Trusted Platform Computing hasn't gone anywhere. It has been just regaining it's power to come back with steroids.
I kinda get it though. In the coming age of AI and International cyberwars, there needs to be additional protection of the average person. There are real threat scenarios where real arm can be caused by a rogue AI agent and international cyber criminals can get access to normal people's computers and cause harm, more protection is needed. All of these may not be real threats now but it's best we get used to it on a consumer OS like the mac. Switch to Linux for serious work and leave the mac for normal people.
These corporations could not do it without the government’s compliance or even approval. Is this guy too scared to make this next logical step in his complaints?
4:02 Isn't it a nice touch - you get the FU message with a smile!
Sadly, I don't think people will care. New macos versions make it a lot easier to mirror iPhones and have a ton of GenAI tools integrated with the system.
7:34 The only "threat" is to the flow of cash from developer licenses.
I learned to code by writing my own apps. It looks like that avenue is closed off, at least in compiled languages.
Apple restricting something??! Nooo...
My computer, my choice. It should be a users right to choose.
wait for that to come - "my computer" is under question.
oh wow, they actually did remove it entirely, even through privacy and security, so if you wanna do it you need to pull up the terminal and disable their security entirely, how is that a feature?
They didn't remove it, his info is wrong.
@@jay-cm This is not just from Lunduke, it's all over the mac and hackintosh spaces, macrumors suggests it works differently on x86 macs than it does on the M series, it's possible this only applies to M-series macs.
They say for compatibility reasons on x86 this does not apply and you can still run unsigned code just fine, on my work M1 laptop it won't allow you to run them unless you go to Privacy and Security, but on my personal x86 2013 macbook running Sequoia through opencore (Linux didn't work that well on it sadly but i tried) it works fine, so i do believe from my own testing there is a difference
@@SXZ-devI tested on an M1, you can still open unsigned apps from settings or removing quaratine with the terminal. I can't comment on opencore, that could bring issues since it's unofficial. Still the premise of this whole video is wrong.
I had bought an M1 Macbook air, mostly to eventually mess around with Linux and maybe keep a partition with Mac OS on it to be able to interface with my iOS devices. Now it seems like I won't even be able to if they keep this kinda stuff up. If malicious ads weren't all over the internet it wouldn't be a problem, you know, encouraging use of content blockers.
Code signing and notarizing are two different things. Code signing requires a paid developer account but software doesn't get checked by Apple. Notarization is a level above code signing where the software needs to be uploaded to Apple to be checked. I release betas with code signatures and but no notarization. I notarize the finals. Two days ago I downloaded and installed software without a code signature on 15.1. I just had to go into Settings--Privacy & Security to allow the exception. It's pretty rare that I need to run any software without a code signature. It's somewhat common that I run software without notarization. And I like running odd hack software. So although your general point is right about the encroachment on freedom and the requirements for developers has become more cumbersome to have our software accepted by the public, and users have to approve more actions of the software, from my experience I didn't find your report to be quite accurate. In fact the subject of the video is entirely wrong in my experience. Also, I never heard of sideloading as a term used on the Mac, just on the mobile OSes.
The harder it is to use my own device the more secure I am lol
Was thinking about upgrading from my 2013 Mac Pro, now I'm having second thoughts, since I still run and use a few apps that didn't come from the App store. It's a pretty big deal-breaker for me.
What the hell? Yeah, sideloading had a very specific definition of the method of installing software. Usually it required adb and connected up to a computer. Hence, 'loading a program from something off to the side.' Similar to downloading software...
Switching to Linux is a fight for a better world now.
Always has been
Linux has a horrid UI and that will never change, unfortunately
@@T-Ball-o Enjoy your walled garden
@@T-Ball-oFuck UI, use the terminal
@@T-Ball-oaren’t there like a million Linux ui’s?
Anyone who receives a message like this when installing software has the obligation to sue Apple for a large amount, so large that it sends the message that customers do not want this type of policy! It hasn't happened to me yet, but I will certainly do it if I receive a warning like this.
Running the command to disable the gatekeeper requires fumbling around in the system settings. I ran the command and received this "Globally disabling the assessment system needs to be confirmed in System Settings."
It’s about getting rid of apps like X and Telegram. Clearly.
In 10 years from now Apple users will be expected to have a branded logo on their foreheads to prove loyalty. Thing is, I suspect many will agree to have this done!
Or on their right arm
cory doctorow talked about this several years ago, they want total control of your pc in which they will be able to control what you can run and can't run, they hate you having a general purpose machine in your hands
I agree with your point. it could have been 20 minutes faster.
Two points:
1. Would this move make VMs somehow illegal, as you could install (for example) an older OS alongside your restrictive 15.1 and you could install whatever software you wanted in the VM, and just use the drag and drop features of the guest OS to put the - cough, "illegal", cough - software's output onto the host?
2. As Mac OS is based on Unix, wouldn't Apple have to remove (or cripple) the Terminal app to prevent the 'sudo' disabling of Gatekeeper? Because if they didn't, users will always be able to do the sudo disable, assuming they know about it. So that may have longer to live than you suggest ...
Apple is ensuring my next laptop will be a framework, any software I want, fully repairable and upgradeable. I should not be so worried about updating every time. I can't even control my fans anymore. I hope this bites them where it hurts.
For mobile, the consequence has been few truly free apps - mostly ad supported or data harvesting. Adware and spyware used to be frowned on in PCs, with some antimalware even offering to remove it.
This is the same high handed arrogance that we've got with regards certificates & recall. Seriously, everyone is going all in on the "mother knows best (or else!)" mentality.
After windows 10 goes EOL, I'm heading for Mint.
Agreed, my friend. If you’ve already done this, then please forgive my unsolicited advice: You can actually start the ‘switch’ now by replacing some of the Microsoft software you already use with open source alternatives (eg. outlook email client with Thunderbird or Betterbird, Office to LibreOffice or OnlyOffice, etc…) Then when you finally switch to Mint, it won’t feel so foreign because it already comes with the programs you’ve been using. Anyways, hope this helps (unless you already knew all of this). Cheers!
@@Lazdinger Manny thanks for the advice. I've used Mint (Mate & Cinnamon) before but struggled with games (despite proton etc). I'm looking at a dual installer of windows 10 & cinnamon perhaps. I need to think it through. All I can tell you is that I'm not going back to windows 11. I'm familiar with Libre Office but do need to look at the email alts. Cheers again
dont expect it to go completely, that would cause legal problems. it will just keep getting harder to do so, ultimate goal is to make it effectively impossible for vast majority of users whilst remaining technically possible. the process is there to acclimate users to that eventual status quo - those who already accepted it will not cause ruckus with each new step, whilst large part of those prepared to jump through the hoops will not consider small difficulty increases worthwhile to fight over either.
nb. you can bet there is team/department in apple that is making models and predicting responses, finetuning this process
They want to control WHO writes the code. Software developers are no longer allowed to be anonymous.
Uploading fees, Downloading fees, and now Sideloading fees, as if these macbooks are given away for free! Hopefully a solution will be found, akin to Let's Encrypt with SSL certificates.
We need to take back ownership of our devices and property. This is the biggest issue of our time.
This is the end of any free desktop app for MacOS ecosystem. No free software will be available for MacOS. And it is not even one signature per build. It is a damn annual subscription.
I’m now happy keeping my Intel Mac with older os
Class action lawsuit against Apple in 3, 2, 1.... Needs to also force Apple to reinstate the ability to install unsigned apps onto any device. How is someone supposed to develop and test software on a Mac? You can't digitally sign everything.
Its not about security its about them creating a system that only approved software , government approved in the future can be installed.
Couldn't agree more with your outrage... what do you think is the way forward for liberty lovers? What do you think is a free-market answer to this challenge? Is it possible that such drakonian control will cause competition to produce liberty alternatives?
9:00 That's what they removed. The terminal command doesn't work anymore.
*tl;dr: Lunduke sort of remakes my Windows 11 Must Be Stopped video, except Apple was the trigger.*
The ultimate goal is to charge the developer 30% for selling of their softwares.
So if I was making a game in a game engine be it Unity, Unreal, Godot etc, finished it up make it into an application, and wanted to test it out on the computer it was developed on - then I wouldn't be able to run it - is this correct? What if I was doing a computer course on app development compiled i into an executable would I be able to run it? What about a web dev project that runs on the back and front end would that be able to run?
in this point i will install ashii linux on your macshit
Thats great. Its modus operandi of that company. Thanks for reminding me why i avoid apple. They may have best hardware but i would never jump into their eco system. Which is not eco and not a system, but a scam.
Next Apple features: monthly payments to access your computer.
Windows all ready does this