Acti-Blizz sees it as undercharged because they see that they were too generous on skins vs the competition. Apex and Fortnite were charging $20 skins on a regular basis while you have a good chance of earning a legendary through lootboxes and credits earned through progression.
@@Grigeral malicious incompetence. Totally agree, though, Blizzard has genuinely intelligent people in the studio…. Problem is that they’re being put up to draining the money from our wallets, just look at Diablo Immortal.
@@Yomush to the consumer or producer? Because yes, F2P is always more time-consuming than b2p. Because F2p is designed to keep you playing, not necessarily giving you fun. While b2p, is banking on you having a positive experience to then spread the word so others will buy. At least, that was the original benefit of the b2p design, they've been incorporating the f2p design for years now.
@@Xenozillex That's not what I meant. I mean that f2p games while technically "free to download" usually cost you WAY more in microtransactions to have a pleasant experience than full-priced b2p games
SOG made this point in his video on this debacle. The only good AAA games being made, with the exception of the occasional outlier like Tears of the Kingdom or Elden Ring, are remakes of old games.
@@tjenadonn6158 The "outliers" aren't really outliers, they just aren't by western game devs like Blizzard. They're Japanese - and the Japanese game development scene is much healthier.
@@Claudekr No it's not, the devs are terribly underpaid too. It's just that we don't hear about it as much because it's a more bermetic environment. Nintendo is a really shitty compagny, recently they ruined a man's life because he was hacking consoles. And Elden Ring released in an unacceptable state, entire questlines were unginished, there were bugs, checkpoints missing or that just didn't work and the pc port is horrendous, and the game is still an unpolished mess. Not to say that blizzard is better it's not, but idolizing compagnies is never a good thing, especially such giants as nintendo. Pretty much all AAA compagnies have skeletons in the closet and just outright terrible practices.
Don't forget that Overwatch 2 (watchpoint pack) was sold for 40$ if you wanted access to the future PvE mode (which, as they stated, would not be free). Now that they canceled most of the PvE, they are refusing refunds, because the Watchpoint pack also included some skins and access to the first battle pass, which you've "consumed", so they're not refunding anything. I just went through a couple of hours exchanging emails with support asking for my money back, which ended with me canceling my 109 euro preorder of D4 Ultimate Edition for PS5. They can keep their 40$, which they literally scammed people out of, and I'll just get my 110$ back and never buy anything from them again. Great job.
About as bad as the absolute circus that is Reforged, pulling the plug on HotS and the abomination that is Immortal. It's beyond me how people manage to stick still buying from blizz for so long despite everything else which already happened.
blizzard admitted they cancelled pve a year and a half ago, which was before they started trying to sell that watchpoint pack, so theyve blatantly scammed people
I'm with you. My friends are having fun with Diablo 4, and that's good for them, but I just don't care. I don't want anything to do with Blizzactivision anymore. RIP to the Blizzard before WoW Cataclysm (were they doing the sexual harassment back then, too? Oh boy...)
@@Trinket_Mastergetting a free to play will then have the allure of spending money on that ftp game. People value their time and being convinced "not to get this" is the same as not wasting your time on a game.
@@Trinket_Master games these days have become an investment of time. I’d be switching over to a game fewer of my friends play and I’d have to take time to learn it. The pve stuff interested me and I figured I’d get the game once pve came out. Now, that no longer seems to be the case
@@Trinket_Master that’s the same as saying “well how did someone convince you not to get this free sample, it’s free!” Putting time and effort into it, no matter how much, still meant you were getting the game. You downloaded it, opened it, played it. That’s getting it, even if it’s free in monetary terms. It isn’t free in the energy you put in.
for sure they could pull it off, just no way of squeezing money from people periodically like they can with pvp season battle passes and skins in the shop
Idk dude they have lost so many top employs and passed off the rest they probably ly legit don't have developers who want to work for a trash company to make the game
Let's not forget that the main reason they clearly did not put any resources into PVE is because there is literally no way they can profit off of it, and they would also need to think of worthwhile rewards for PvE which guess what, if good enough could curb the urge to buy from their ridiculously priced store / battle pass
There's some speculation that the reason they wanted OW2 PvP 2.0 is because the box's were too generous and profit from that store wasn't giving what they wanted, so they made the PvP 2.0 to push the new monetization. Although probably right with PvE having to reward people actually decent things and that might detract from the battle pass and store.
@@arlisongbird9386 I guarantee that was the reason. In OW1 you actually feel progress leveling up and getting boxes to get gold skins for your fav characters. Now that the boxes are gone what's the point in leveling up and playing the game at all where there is no reward system. When OW2 came out I got the first battle pass to play the new characters but leveling up felt pointless the battle pass rewards aren't worth it. I haven't played this game since and was waiting and excited for a story mode. Now it's over. They ruined PvP and destroyed the story mode. I'm never playing another blizztarded game again. Activision should have never been allowed to buy blizzard. They are to blame for this nightmare. Goodbye OW I had fun memories from the first game. All good things must come to an end. They had 4 years and did nothing. There's no excuse. Their goals are pure greed.
I'm aware I might be a minority with that mindset, but why does everything nowadays have to "reward" you something? What happened with just enjoying gameplay and in case of PvE also the cooperation with others and/or the story elements? Has this truly become such a foreign, wild concept? To see everything judged so strongly for some arbitrary, artificial headpats is kinda breaking my old-ish gamer heart. Everything nowadays needs lots of random shiny bling bling and progression bars and skins and sh*t to satisfy the narcisstic unicorns in people. All of online gaming has become one huge fashion wanking circle show. It's sort of tragic and repulsive in a certain kind of way. Because if this is actually the reasoning they had to cancel PvE then it clearly very strongly affects overall game design, negatively so. Fun doesn't matter, creativity doesn't matter - only that you gain more and more XP, that your progression bars everly move from left to right no matter what and that there is some legendary skin you can hunt to wear while swinging your digital p*nis around everyones' faces. I guess I'm making the right choice to throttle back on online games and head for genuine singleplayer again. I'm too old for this nonsense.
@@Lenariet you're missing the point. It's not that people are mad there is no rewards and progression system. They are mad that those things were present in the "first" game while they no longer exist in the "second" game. This is the key difference, and this is the issue: it would be one thing if those systems never existed in the first place, it's completely another thing when they did AND THEN were taken away, with "taken away" being the key factor here - because that's exactly what it is from psychological perspective. First you had something, now you don't have it anymore because devs decided to take it away. Guess what, people usually have a negative reaction when you take away things from them.
Yeah, no point in sugarcoating it... It's just OW 1.1 at this point... And even if they added that barebones story like they said... It's still not worthy of being called OW2.
They'll probably believe that the time and resources are being freed up are going to creating more maps and heroes, and you know... make a half-decent product.
Yes, the community got scammed. The devs knew a year and a half ago the plan changed and yet lead us on with these roadmaps that PvE was still coming. I have to wonder if there is some kind of legal action the fans can take. Because they did get lied too.
@@anotheracc8292 Terms of Service isn't law. If a ToS breaks a law you can still take it to court. They just make them big long lists of legal jargon and pushing that they reserve the right to do all this stuff, but in reality it's a deterrent for people who would wanna take something to court. If a law is broken, no matter the NDA or ToS, any contract really, it's still a law that was broken. You can still take them to court over it.
So what really gets me is they say that no one lost their job because they aren't doing the pve thing. SO either they never had people that were working on it to fire or they were already fired moooonths ago. I have a sneaking suspicion they had stopped working on the pve side of ow2 for a long ass time and they are covering their asses by admitting to it at least by a few months.
Well, no. They obviously had people working on it because they had footage to show off and they had SOMETHING that was playable. And I don’t see why they’d be fired when they could just be put back on the regular team or be working on the scarce bits of PVE content that is gonna be coming. That last bit of what you said is pretty much accurate, though.
youre coping if you think they care. Blizzard is a horrible company period. The only time they will ever listen is if they might get a lawsuit up their asses
Next job keep showing Ubisoft and Square Enix that there's no need for Blockchain in there games unless there's a valid use case and the game is worth playing. The latest figurines with digital souls is just depressing.
as long as people keep paying for cosmetics and justifying the broken games at launch and what not, ew can shit on them all we want, they'll keep doing it non-stop.
@@noskillzdad5504 you are right but i think if the whole community and content creators band togather and boycot this shit blizzard will suffer consequences. and they might even add pve at a later date. saw some examples of this on other games. Not exactly like this but developers and publishers actually correct their mistakes if the whole community agrees to boycott and their revenues suffer. This is a huge fuck up by blizzard and everyone is letting them know. I'm not even a huge overwatch gamer still this is unacceptable for me.
@@noskillzdad5504 If it makes them money, they will do it. Not sure why folks can't quite get this fact. I stopped buying anything from that shifty af company over a decade ago. Really simple thought: If it makes them money, that's what they'll do. The most recent Diablow made all the development costs back within 2 days of release. Gosh, think they're going to repeat the idiocy? Naaaaaah. Please.
The main reason they are dropping the initial announced pve is because they couldnt properly monetize it. They stated they have no problem adding pve to the seasonal content
As an IT and software dev... Overwatch 1 could've been fixed... They could've updated the engine no problem, fixed the balances, and still made the game fun... But when OW "1.1" got announced, the only reason many of the OW fans are looking forward to is the PvE. And now it's gone as well... I'd expect a massive amount of players leaving the game entirely, it's astonishing how badly Blizzard is mismanaging this IP.
@@ashurad_fox5991 I'm pretty sure Blizzard wanted to monetized Overwatch Valve did an engine upgrade on Dota 2, playerbase took a hit because all of the bugs and stuffs, but Valve pull through, and after all of that was ironed out, they then took advantage of what Source 2 can do Yeah, we're not really sure what's going on with Blizzard right now
What gets me is Aaron Keller in another interview said they made the decision to "pivot away from PVE Hero mode late last year", only 2 months after Overwatch 2 was released yet they waiting over 6 months to tell the community. One can only guess that they were under orders from the executives to NOT release this information until after the end of the fiscal year.
It's so easy to avoid the AAA game industry lately. Games either: release half finished, are full of monetization, are live services that dont live up to promises; or any combination of those.
Literally PVE was the one thing I was looking forward to haha, don't get a chance to play much PVP so a somewhat single player experience would have been fun
People really hating someone for just doing their job 🤦♂️ Of course it's a script, he's an individual speaking for a whole company. Of course the apology is worthless, it's from a company. The fact that it's off a script doesn't factor into that, and a pre-written apology can be just as meaningful, or even more meaningful than one you just spit out if it's written with real consideration.
The craziest thing about Overwatch is that when the game first launched back in 2016 or whenever it was, they actually had something special there. You could argue there were balancing issues as some heroes just wiped the floor with others, but that also created an environment which encouraged teamwork and coordination. Hero counters were a huge part of competitive strategy, identifying shifts in the opposing teams strategy and shifting your own as a team of six in response. Despite a lot of trash talk, early OW1 competitive was exciting and intense. Over time Blizzard made balancing changes that stripped away the things that made many heroes both lethal and fun to play, resulting in slower moving shielded teams with less hero swapping and matches hinging on the specifics of map design or, more likely, which team had members which would throw first. I played hundreds of hours and thousands of matches of OW1 during the first 2~ years of its life and watched as Blizzard targeted every single fun and exciting element of the game and destroyed it with uncanny precision. When OW2 launched, I got back into it during Season 1 for a while. Most of the changes made between the time I stopped playing and OW2's launch were bad ones, what a surprise, but being the first time in years I'd played OW, I discovered that despite being a shell of what it once was, there was still fun to be had - it was just incredibly sporadic and tightly rationed amongst large stretches of frustration and dismay. Then Season 2 launched. I think I lasted all of 2 - 3 days. It's as if Blizzard sought out the worst things about OW2's balancing in Season 1 and dialled them up to 11. For instance, in Season 1, they made the ridiculous decision to turn Doomfist, previously a DPS, into a tank, but his abilities weren't retooled to compensate aside from some minor adjustments. Mostly they just nerfed his damage and buffed his health. This made him an absolutely abysmal tank and a crap DPS. Not to mention OW2 dropping the number of tanks in a team from 2 to 1 meaning that if your PUG group got a Doomfist, you were almost guaranteed to lose as none of your DPS or supports would have any kind of protection - Doomfist's abilities always best positioned him as a flanker, and a "tank" who is off on his own flanking the enemy team isn't tanking in any way, shape or form. Doomfist was always a problematic hero, but turning him into a tank was the second worst decision they made with him. What was the first, you ask? In season 2, at least in the beginning (I quit within days, so I can't rightly speak for how this changed in the weeks following the season's launch,) they buffed his damage into the stratosphere. Now not only did he have a tank health pool, but he could effortlessly zoom across distances and one hit more fragile heroes. Because his abilities encouraged flanking, he was always circling around the enemy team alone, something that spelled sure defeat in Season 1 as it left his team vulnerable, but if Doomfist could slip behind the enemy team and one hit 2 - 4 members including the healers in the span of a few seconds, there was nobody left to hurt his team. I played a lot of support in OW, and the few days I tolerated of Season 2 were the worst experience I'd had with the game period. Every team had a doomfist. Every match consisted of being one hit before my team even noticed the enemy doomfist was behind us (and, naturally, our own doomfist was off fisting enemy DPS and offering us no protection) and then running back to the team only for the same exact thing to happen again. Then some shitter with zero situational awareness would complain about a lack of healing in chat, oblivious to their own inability to provide their support with any protection. Bad players, DPS mains in particular, blaming supports for their own failings was a constant in OW since day zero, but by Season 2 of OW2, it was every single match. You'd have healers focusing on healing their team, constantly being picked off and yet still posting healing numbers in excess of 10 or 15k with more eliminations than both DPS being blamed for the DPS dying and failing to get kills. Meanwhile your teams Doomfist, because to reiterate, the tank role was doomfist 85%+ of the time at this point, was off fisting anyone he could find with a ravacious glee. Season 1 had a lot of problems, but I still managed to enjoy myself despite a lot of frustration and misery. But the ridiculous decisions Blizzard made for Season 2 were honestly the best statement of intent and claim of capability I could ask for: the idiots making decisions in OW2 had absolutely no idea what they were doing, hadn't taken the time to actually think any of their decisions through or properly test them (if they had paid attention and/or given two shits, they would have seen shit was broken as fuck and not launched those changes), and would continue to run the game in such a way, which is to say straight into the ground. Yes, I quit when things were especially fucked. I'm sure patches in the coming weeks addressed those issues. But honestly, I'd seen enough. It was less about the state of the game and more about the competence of the developers and my faith in them. I found myself 110% certain that the overall trend in enjoyment and quality was on a steep decline despite moment to moment rises and falls. I wanted off the wild ride. And I got off. And I haven't looked back. And all that is without even mentioning the MTX in OW2. It was so abhorrent that people were literally begging to have loot boxes back. Imagine that! You remove loot boxes and replace it with something so much worse that people want loot boxes back! "No baby, don't hurt me with the knife today, use your fists instead, please!" And now that the last bastion of hope that OW could be anything but a morbid disappointment, the PvE mode, has been shitcanned? Well... Overwatch is finished. And Blizzard. They're finished too.
I have no experience of OW2 and only a little of OW1 but I enjoyed reading that, thanks. I will also agree that balance is in itself a balance; a good game has _drama_ - highs and lows, the unexpected and the mundane. Polishing away all the quirks and wackiness may make for a more competitively viable game (for the 1% engaging in that) but it rubs out its casual appeal (for the remaining 99%). World of Warcraft followed a similar arc: early expansions had weird and situationally absurdly powerful items and over time it was diluted to just being your class' three primary stats in a perfect 3:2:1 ratio. Balanced, perhaps, but also incredibly _boring_ .
@@williamdrum9899 not a team game. Pick DK in melee and no one cares. Pick widow in OW2 (or old hanzo) and 5 people are tilted and prolly telling everyone to go 0/1 irl. The fact that OW forced players to play boring and hated champs to win didn't really help either.
I'm glad you weren't there to witness as the "player skill" levelling was ramped up over the course of the game's lifespan, starting around September 2017 when good FPS players suddenly had a lot of "netcode problems" to complain about. I've stuck around the game just to watch how it hinders me more and more, as I get better and better and improve my setup. But turns out I didn't even need to do that, they would disgrace themselves far more than "rampant anti-competitive practices in a (supposedly) competitive shooter" could achieve - all on their own! Great news for the vengeful FPS sweatlord, horrendous news for anyone that wanted a cool PvE co-op game. and no, you didn't miss anything since you quit, besides state-sponsored boosting of accounts to have the paper-thin excuse of "no, there aren't plat players in your top500 lobby, see - they're totally GM!!" much to the expense of all the innocent plats who never asked to bomb high elo lobbies while helplessly getting farmed should they dare play the videogame scummy scum PvP, with the scummest PvE cancellation on top blizzy providing the whole circus!
Keep in mind they got RID OF the first game to force this version. and then the entire point OF the game is now not even happening. But don't worry guys, those battle passes will be there and ready to go.
And this is why I keep saying that if you don't own it in physical media, even if it's just ones and zeros on an external hard drive, you don't own it period.
Not only did they get rid of the original OW, they stopped making any meaningful content for it long before OW2 was "released". They let the game go stale, get legitimately boring. You can only play the same handful of maps for so long before you get bored and move on to other games. Without community made maps like TF2 has things get stale real fast. And when OW TOO came out, it was just insulting. The only other game that has pissed me off that badly was World of Warcraft and how insulting that game became in BFA. I had to walk away from both for my own mental health, games shouldn't make you that angry... they're for fun, they're an escape from the real world. There are so many other games out there that are more deserving and respectful of your time. With all the plates they're trying to spin with the upcoming Diablo 4 I have no faith that it'll be done in a fun and respectful way. Charging for a full priced game (with deluxe and mega-deluxe versions available as is industry standard) and then having a battle pass and microtransactions on top of that is a pretty clear warning sign, as least in my opinion. Spend your money however you want, just maybe think twice before you pay blizz for anything these days. Spending so much time developing monetization platforms and framing them as a normal and great part of a game instead of just making a great game is not exactly consumer friendly.
@@tjenadonn6158 You also don't own any game that requires dedicated internet access to play. You like OW 1? Too fucking bad- you're playing 2 now or you're not playing at all. Didn't Activision Bizzard do this exact same thing with WoW Reforged, where the remake was shit and they forced players to update to it and not play the original game? Not to mention those servers aren't going to last forever. Meanwhile, not even Nintendo can say "we're stopping support on Melee- you have to play Ultimate now."
They (and other companies) really need to be put back in their place for everything they've been so emboldened to pull over the past decade. This situation is textbook deceptive advertising and false marketing given they've pocketed cash and you're not getting early access to a mode any more with a product you purchased because they've decided to stop bothering to make it. No, I don't care what legal loopholes they've got written up in their impossible to comprehend terms and agreements to get out of delivering something you paid for. Would McDonald's get away with selling a set meal then suddenly not give you the main after you sat down and started eating because they wanted to pocket a few extra cents? No. It's ridiculous how much leeway they're given for anti-consumer and illegal practices.
Ive been playing overwatch for 6yrs and when they announced pve I knew it was never gonna happen. The only change that has happened is the game went from 6v6 to 5v5.
@@zaferoph Smite (a moba) had some token pve content too. But they didn't start making Smite 2, say its going to be a PvE game, and then fail completely after already taking millions of dollars
@@Dante3214 They also didn't take a paid game that you could get literally everything for free with enough play and replace it with a f2p freemium garbage cash grab that forces you to pay real money for heroes, let alone skins.
@@Dante3214 1. Smite is objectively garbage. (Sinceike 2018-2019) 2. You're talking random shit that isn't relevant to anything said. All I was saying was that there was enough evidence of PvE "testing" to not completely discard the possibility of them going for deeper PvE. 3. The PvE in Smite is really light compared to the promised PvE in OW2 and I'm fine with accepting that there is a logistical reason for building a new game until proven otherwise. Conclusion, you're being dumb.
It’s crazy that everything they said they’d do was just what the game Battleborn launched with. Truly disgraceful that the billion or trillion dollar company can copy 10% of battleborn and somehow destroy it so soundly they had to shut down their servers.
I actually liked Overwatch 1 lootbox system. You could open then without anything special (like having to buy keys for real $ like in CSGO or Dota 2) and you would also get coins to buy the skins straight up if you wanted to. I remember having basically every skin I wanted back then, now in OW2 there's not a free option to get the skins you want, as far as I know.
There is, you can get coins by doing weekly/daily objectives. But it's such a small amount of coins that you're literally going to grind for months for a single skin.
and that's how they've screwed the original purchasers of OW1. You used to be able to get whatever cosmetic you wanted if you were willing to play enough and deal with the rng. Now, it is literally pay for heroes and pay for cosmetics for a high price. It's a joke and a slap to the people who spent money on OW1.
Yeah, I don't get why people like Kira are noting it as a good change when the system that replaced it is many times more predatory and gives you less for just playing the game. They only hear the word "lootbox" and judge it as some evil gambling mechanic that players sunk tons of money into when you got loads of them just for free while playing, shows that they never played the game or know anything about its in-game shop.
@@DotCIsMe because just because you replace cow shit with dog shit doesn't mean its still not worse in every way. They replaced a fomo casino with an overpriced store.
They went away with our money for the original OW. Gives us a free sequel which is basically the original but with "spruced things", microtransactions and no PVE in sight since day 1. Masterful 👏
They basically ignored and let the originals community die to develop the same game slightly better looking with a few more maps (which the og needed) a few new heroes (which the original needed) 1 more mission type (which the original needed) a battlepass and microtransaction store so now you can't unlock everything by playing enough. So the same with worse monetization, slightly better looks and nothing much else.
A part of the reason they called a patch Overwatch 2 (in my opinion) was so they could actually sell characters. I remember a statement made around the launch of Overwatch which claimed post-release characters may be paid for which caused a massive backlash, so they said something to the effect of only doing it as an expansion type thing to placate people. BUT that technically gets wiped away when you release a "sequel", doesn't it? What weasely marketing nonsense.
Company that makes the most iconic dungeon crawler pve experience, Diablo2 and currently developing pve experiences, states they cannot create a pve experience.
Well Diablo 2 was a long time ago. A lot gone wrong during all these years and blizzard ended up in this state we see now. Money comes first no matter what. Sadly.....
While I agree with the sentiment, I have to wonder if anyone from the Diablo 2 era is still working for Blizzard these days. I can easily imagine that we're comparing two entirely separate groups of people that have very little in common.
@@superscatboy probably not. From what I can tell, the old guards are pretty deeply entrenched in WoW departments. I would not be surprised if not a single senior member from those days ever worked on Overwatch. Same thing with Doom and idSoftware. When Rage came out, there were an entirety of 5 people remaining from the original Quake release. By the time Doom 4 came out, this was further reduced by at least one more. These are NOT the same companies anymore by any stretch.
There's an excellent episode of Econ Talk from years ago about how even the most innovative/landmark corporations eventually grow big enough that they stop innovating and switch focus to maintaining a certain level of profitability and that often means they will inevitably slip into decline and get swallowed by their competitors.
@@aidenkelly9641 we’ll have to wait and see I suppose, because from the beta it felt good, and the classes felt super unique but who knows if it’s going to have battlepasses and stuff
@@xNeoNxCyaN i dont mind battle passes but i am not on board with the mmo direction and massive online servers. blizzard isnt well known for running those well
I really miss OG Blizzard. When they delayed a game over and over again and you didn't care because you knew what you get would be a work of art and timeless. They were special, sad to see what has happened to them.
They said they're gonna re-remake reforged. Please don't. Just give me OG WC3 and revert all the bad changes to the WC3 servers. They clearly have shown they have no idea what they're doing. And now they're also putting WoW tokens into WotLK. They're really going out with a bang before Microsoft buys them, lol.
I'm glad this is being covered outside of OW content creators cause, as much as I love most of them, I'm already starting to see the shift to trying to 'understand Blizzard's point of view' and, as someone who was looking forward to PVE, I'm not ready to just let go of that frustration and anger just yet...
Here is a donation and my two-cents of an opinion. I am a Diamond-Master Hamster player, I have mixed feelings about all this. I never really cared for the PVE, as to me Overwatch will always be primarily a PVP game. That being said, it is still a shame that they went back on promises just like warcraft3 reforged. At least I have Stormgate to look forward too. Hopefully Frostgiant can bring back the heart and soul of a Blizzard product without the baggage and idiotic decisions.
Gaming as an industry went from a niche activity to something of a significant subculture to a widely accepted and consumed product. And as such the corporate, smelling big profits grew on it. If I were to guess a lot of the actual devs who wanted to make videogames and 10-15 years ago dreamed at working at Blizzard now do that as any other 8-5 job And even from my recent personal experience I can tell, the higher you go on the corporate ladder the better the people at explaining their bullshit in a way that can trick you believing in it. I don't know how to punish that.
It’s simple. Stop buying games that aren’t finished. Stop pre-ordering. Look at reviews. If the game isn’t free, then it better be finished. If it’s free, well decide if your time is worth the risk. Don’t buy skins or anything until the game is at a point you consider it worth it. Roadmaps and promises from money making machines mean nothing.
The most criminal part is that they were not making a game from scratch, they already had the foundation of the game working well. Also the other parts of the company are heavily focused on pve (WoW or Diablo) so they'd have access to documentation why pve things were designed in the way they were and could even ask for these reasons ppl working in these sectors. As you design pve content you can easily reuse pve assets to create pvp stuff (like buildings, materials or objects for creating pvp maps). With all these things you add on top of that they've had few years working on this. This truly is an admission of incompetence of the Overwatch team.
I remember Blizzard showing off the OW2 announcement right after the blitzchung thing, and people instantly forgot about all of it. All because a corpo did the equivalent of dangling keys in front of peoples' faces. I think it worked so well, they went "fuck, now we actually have to make it." and failed miserably.
The amount of people acting shocked at this is concerning on its own This was the most unsurprising news in recent history, and some people are still acting like no one saw this coming
Oh how the mighty have fallen. I used to love blizzard, now I absolutely hate them. I've hated them for years but every day I'm surprised to learn something that makes me hate them even more... I even now hate anyone who pays and plays their games at this point...
I would rather they delay and deliver what they showed several years ago than get what they putting out. They Over promised and under delivered. This is not the Blizzard we once knew.
Seriously does NOBODY remember they promised PVE with story and rpg elements IN OVERWATCH 1?!#$ never delivered! It took this long for it to come to light? hilarious... a literal memory hole it seems.
I bet what really happened is daddy Bobby, CEO Activision Blizzard, came into the office, screamed that they weren't making money currently because they were working on the single player and forced them to go live with Overwatch 1.5. [Edit:] I didn't spend a dime on skins/lootboxes in Overwatch 1 and I found the free lootboxes they gave and currency you would get for dupes to buy skins you wanted was more generous than any game I have seen that have implemented systems like it. I had a ton of skins in Overwatch 1 including skins of the highest rarety tier. They would give you a free loot box for just simply playing the different gamemodes and it would reset (I forget the reset timer, but it was very generous, if I recall, it was a daily reset but I am not certain).
One of the biggest problems of OW2 is that it has basically zero progression. Neither general long term, nor moment-to-moment. In OW1 you always had a free lootbox just around the corner, or an icon border to earn. You got the skins, from th3 boxes and everyone was a happy camper. OW2? Yeah, you have a paid battlepass with nothing in it but an ugly as sin ultimate skin at the end (all 3 were abysmal. Weebbait or coomerbait). Icon borders? Gone. They are toxic, just as toxis as end of game cards, the on fire effect or a working scoreboard.
The press release makes it sound like the devs are incompetent. That may have something to do with it, as they were given a deadline and didn't meet it, *but* was that deadline realistic to begin with? What anyone with a passing familiarity in the current-day games industry and late-stage capitalism in general should realize instantly is that "We couldn't get it done to Blizzard quality fast enough without making PvP suffer" is spin for "the executives made us cancel PvE because it was taking resources away from pushing loot boxes in the pursuit of infinite exponential profit growth."
Grinding Gear Games is making new leagues for Path of Exile every three months while developing a massive sequel that is Path of Exile 2. I find it hard to believe that Blizzard would not have enough resources to develop their live service and a PVE mode on the side.
Maybe Blizzard was not supposed to tell us that they would not be delivering on the PVE (or could take too long to deliver) but the devs insisted they had to tell their supporters - This is often the case in the cooperate world
I'm glad I grew up playing Valve games instead of Blizzard games. At least Valve just stopped making games totally instead of becoming a pyramid scheme that preys on its consumers nostalgia.
I was a top500 tryhard on OW, I literally put in like 300 hours per month, I absolutely loved that game! But I literally stopped playing a week into OW2 due to ranked and balance changes that I thought were unhealthy for the game, and there was a severe lack of content, funny that.
I played in GM-Top500 starting in S3 and quit halfway through S8 in OW1 playing mainly DVa, I put about 1200 hours into only her in that time. I did placements in OW2 and dipped immediately after, I have better things to do at this point ngl
I very much enjoy the amount of copium that Blizzard fanboys have to huff right now when they got stabbed by Blizzard yet again straight in the eyes. Keep buying the skins they will surely listen "eventually" lmao
I think the "over promise, under deliver" problem is prevalent in the gaming space. A good example of it done right is is the 2019 Battletech video game and kickstarter, where the devs consistently said to questions about adding x or y feature "We know what we can realistically get done in the amount of time and the amount of money we have, so that wont be in for lanuch if things are successful then maybe it can be DLC" even though they got much much more in funding than they expected. Time and again studios tell us about their grand plans that are unrealistic and they cant deliver on it, we need to be treating projects with much more sscepticism.
Rug pull is fitting. I like the short and raw vids bro. You've come really far since BDO days. Im not even sure what was the first video I watched but I definitely subbed after one video. Might be the farming guide video or lifeskill related.
They also added a new premium currency and made the old one virtually useless. And locked out anyone too poor to afford anything other than a prepaid phone plan. Added a new tier of skin that only added the special effect of emptying your wallet faster.
The reality behind it was ActiBlizzard executives and other higher ups said "How can we charge for things we said would always be included in the retail price people have already paid? I know, let's promise a bunch of content to justify adding a 2 on the end." Now, for me personally, I only really started playing after OW2 came out. I bought it ages ago in OW1 era, but never got into it, but I specifically remember I paid £25 and it was meant to be 'all content inclusive'. It's what put it above all of the competitors which went with a more freemium method. This is not something they can monetize, so it had to go. That's how I see it 100% and always have. It's once more Blizzard completely screwing their fanbase, but at least at this point we all expect it.
I gave up on Blizzard years ago, so this this news was hardly unexpected but ironically funny. The only shocking thing to me is that there are people who still have any hope for Blizzard in spite of everything else that has happened.
Honestly, if I had to choose between the frat-bro culture of the past that produced amazing, culturally-impactful games, or the modern DEI, "Diversity Spectrum Tool" that consistently fumbles the bag and milks their audience of all goodwill and money...
Diablo 3 kind of set precedence for this. They cancelled arena in Diablo and that was something that was promised and was big in their marketing. Now they think they can do it every time. It's only going to get worse
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Maybe the real Overwatch 2 was the skins we were overcharged for along the way.
Indeed it was.
THIS is gold.
Acti-Blizz sees it as undercharged because they see that they were too generous on skins vs the competition. Apex and Fortnite were charging $20 skins on a regular basis while you have a good chance of earning a legendary through lootboxes and credits earned through progression.
I would give your comment two likes if I could.
no maybe there for me
Until Kira pointed it out, it didn't really sink in that they basically declared to everyone that they are too incompetent to do their job.
Nah man, it's 100% not incompetence. That just sounds better than what it really is... Malice.
@@Grigeral malicious incompetence.
Totally agree, though, Blizzard has genuinely intelligent people in the studio…. Problem is that they’re being put up to draining the money from our wallets, just look at Diablo Immortal.
Yeah, they straight up said, "we can't really control the engine"
That also makes it the most honesty seen out of Activision Blizzard in a while.
Remember when, a few years ago, 343 Industries essentially said, "Making video games is too hard"? This has the exact same energy.
Imagine making a """free""" game not worth the price
The price is your time.
On a related note: "Free to Play" games usually cost more than actual buy to play games
''Free'' = We'll charge you the fuck up with microtransactions.
@@Yomush to the consumer or producer?
Because yes, F2P is always more time-consuming than b2p. Because F2p is designed to keep you playing, not necessarily giving you fun. While b2p, is banking on you having a positive experience to then spread the word so others will buy.
At least, that was the original benefit of the b2p design, they've been incorporating the f2p design for years now.
@@Xenozillex That's not what I meant. I mean that f2p games while technically "free to download" usually cost you WAY more in microtransactions to have a pleasant experience than full-priced b2p games
You can have fun without buying skins you dont gain any kind of advantage lmao
Game dev and publishers: "Single player game is dead...because we're killing it. Don't you guys have old games?"
Not anymore we don't, cause ya keep taking them away from us to mutilate them. -.-
..and if you still have it, don't you worry, our next mandatory game remake will surely kill it forever.
SOG made this point in his video on this debacle. The only good AAA games being made, with the exception of the occasional outlier like Tears of the Kingdom or Elden Ring, are remakes of old games.
@@tjenadonn6158 The "outliers" aren't really outliers, they just aren't by western game devs like Blizzard. They're Japanese - and the Japanese game development scene is much healthier.
@@Claudekr No it's not, the devs are terribly underpaid too. It's just that we don't hear about it as much because it's a more bermetic environment. Nintendo is a really shitty compagny, recently they ruined a man's life because he was hacking consoles. And Elden Ring released in an unacceptable state, entire questlines were unginished, there were bugs, checkpoints missing or that just didn't work and the pc port is horrendous, and the game is still an unpolished mess. Not to say that blizzard is better it's not, but idolizing compagnies is never a good thing, especially such giants as nintendo. Pretty much all AAA compagnies have skeletons in the closet and just outright terrible practices.
Don't forget that Overwatch 2 (watchpoint pack) was sold for 40$ if you wanted access to the future PvE mode (which, as they stated, would not be free). Now that they canceled most of the PvE, they are refusing refunds, because the Watchpoint pack also included some skins and access to the first battle pass, which you've "consumed", so they're not refunding anything. I just went through a couple of hours exchanging emails with support asking for my money back, which ended with me canceling my 109 euro preorder of D4 Ultimate Edition for PS5. They can keep their 40$, which they literally scammed people out of, and I'll just get my 110$ back and never buy anything from them again. Great job.
About as bad as the absolute circus that is Reforged, pulling the plug on HotS and the abomination that is Immortal.
It's beyond me how people manage to stick still buying from blizz for so long despite everything else which already happened.
I dont understand why you were going to give them money at all but hey better late than never.
"Dont you guys have phones?" Yikes...
You're a fool to trust them in the first place. You have your part in this as well
Shame on you
blizzard admitted they cancelled pve a year and a half ago, which was before they started trying to sell that watchpoint pack, so theyve blatantly scammed people
oh please you still pre-ordered D4. They'll get you back eventually, it wont take much
I’ve been done with Blizzard for years, and even now they keep giving me more reasons not to buy their games.
I got out with the blitzchung shit haven't regretted it since
Same. Overwatch was the first and last game I bought from them when it launched. I've since boycotted all their games. I hope they go under
I'm with you. My friends are having fun with Diablo 4, and that's good for them, but I just don't care. I don't want anything to do with Blizzactivision anymore. RIP to the Blizzard before WoW Cataclysm (were they doing the sexual harassment back then, too? Oh boy...)
When I first found out World of Warcraft wasn't RTS that's when I quit. Then I found out they just keep ruining their rep.
Same. It'd been like watching a sinking ship from a lifeboat, just glad that you made it off as quickly as you did.
Blizzard: We put the “over” in “overwatch.”
In all seriousness though, I’m now glad I was persuaded to not get this
To not get a free game?
Not being a smart ass I promise, I just don't get how someone pursuaded you not to *get* a no purchase needed product
@@Trinket_Master
"is this game worth getting into?"
"nah, nothing too special"
"aight nvm then"
@@Trinket_Mastergetting a free to play will then have the allure of spending money on that ftp game.
People value their time and being convinced "not to get this" is the same as not wasting your time on a game.
@@Trinket_Master games these days have become an investment of time. I’d be switching over to a game fewer of my friends play and I’d have to take time to learn it. The pve stuff interested me and I figured I’d get the game once pve came out. Now, that no longer seems to be the case
@@Trinket_Master that’s the same as saying “well how did someone convince you not to get this free sample, it’s free!”
Putting time and effort into it, no matter how much, still meant you were getting the game. You downloaded it, opened it, played it. That’s getting it, even if it’s free in monetary terms. It isn’t free in the energy you put in.
At least they can't take away the most important thing that came out of Overwatch.
The copious amounts of animated porn.
that's unironically the game's lasting legacy. TF2 has memes, Overwatch has porn
God bless every dedicated animator and artist for making Widowmaker one of my favourite searches.
@@Relativity404 that's so sad lmao
Remember how they encrypted the files for the models on OW2 and they got breached almost immediately by NSFW artists? 😂
@@Relativity404 remember Bioshock Infinite? Nope. Elizabeth tho? Mmmnnnyees
ABK has more than enough money to fund PvE staffing and developers. There's no way the execs aren't responsible for this.
I first read ABK as standing for Alidsair Beckett-King. The dude's a top tier comedian, really one of RUclips's hidden gems.
for sure they could pull it off, just no way of squeezing money from people periodically like they can with pvp season battle passes and skins in the shop
@@Ad-op7miI mean... The devs/publishers of Battlefield and CoD pull it off just fine
@@tjenadonn6158 Activision-blizzard-king also happens to be top-tier comedy
Idk dude they have lost so many top employs and passed off the rest they probably ly legit don't have developers who want to work for a trash company to make the game
A ‘rug pull’ is probably the best way to describe this situation. So sad.
Let's not forget that the main reason they clearly did not put any resources into PVE is because there is literally no way they can profit off of it, and they would also need to think of worthwhile rewards for PvE which guess what, if good enough could curb the urge to buy from their ridiculously priced store / battle pass
There's some speculation that the reason they wanted OW2 PvP 2.0 is because the box's were too generous and profit from that store wasn't giving what they wanted, so they made the PvP 2.0 to push the new monetization.
Although probably right with PvE having to reward people actually decent things and that might detract from the battle pass and store.
@@arlisongbird9386 I guarantee that was the reason. In OW1 you actually feel progress leveling up and getting boxes to get gold skins for your fav characters. Now that the boxes are gone what's the point in leveling up and playing the game at all where there is no reward system. When OW2 came out I got the first battle pass to play the new characters but leveling up felt pointless the battle pass rewards aren't worth it. I haven't played this game since and was waiting and excited for a story mode. Now it's over. They ruined PvP and destroyed the story mode. I'm never playing another blizztarded game again. Activision should have never been allowed to buy blizzard. They are to blame for this nightmare. Goodbye OW I had fun memories from the first game. All good things must come to an end. They had 4 years and did nothing. There's no excuse. Their goals are pure greed.
I'm aware I might be a minority with that mindset, but why does everything nowadays have to "reward" you something? What happened with just enjoying gameplay and in case of PvE also the cooperation with others and/or the story elements? Has this truly become such a foreign, wild concept?
To see everything judged so strongly for some arbitrary, artificial headpats is kinda breaking my old-ish gamer heart. Everything nowadays needs lots of random shiny bling bling and progression bars and skins and sh*t to satisfy the narcisstic unicorns in people. All of online gaming has become one huge fashion wanking circle show.
It's sort of tragic and repulsive in a certain kind of way. Because if this is actually the reasoning they had to cancel PvE then it clearly very strongly affects overall game design, negatively so. Fun doesn't matter, creativity doesn't matter - only that you gain more and more XP, that your progression bars everly move from left to right no matter what and that there is some legendary skin you can hunt to wear while swinging your digital p*nis around everyones' faces.
I guess I'm making the right choice to throttle back on online games and head for genuine singleplayer again. I'm too old for this nonsense.
@@arlisongbird9386 I never put a cent in overwatch 1... i got every skind, in fact it was cool because you had a objetctive to play for.
@@Lenariet you're missing the point. It's not that people are mad there is no rewards and progression system. They are mad that those things were present in the "first" game while they no longer exist in the "second" game.
This is the key difference, and this is the issue: it would be one thing if those systems never existed in the first place, it's completely another thing when they did AND THEN were taken away, with "taken away" being the key factor here - because that's exactly what it is from psychological perspective. First you had something, now you don't have it anymore because devs decided to take it away. Guess what, people usually have a negative reaction when you take away things from them.
Overwatch 2 is now officially just a patch of OW1.
Now they know why TF2 took so long to make.
Yeah, no point in sugarcoating it...
It's just OW 1.1 at this point... And even if they added that barebones story like they said... It's still not worthy of being called OW2.
A very bad backwards patch.
"always has been"
so now it truly was Overwatch: Online Store overhaul.
Overwatch: Fuck You, Pay Us.
Hey they also removed 1 player per team
You know there's gonna be pathetic fanboys who are so high on copium they defend even this decision.
Cant not have clowns
They'll probably believe that the time and resources are being freed up are going to creating more maps and heroes, and you know... make a half-decent product.
@@NormalJinx But it's not lmfao
Ever seen the ark discor/reddit/youtube comments? Gamers enjoy cock and ball torture.
@@cherry9787 That ... that was kind of my point.
Yes, the community got scammed. The devs knew a year and a half ago the plan changed and yet lead us on with these roadmaps that PvE was still coming. I have to wonder if there is some kind of legal action the fans can take. Because they did get lied too.
Only in australia, nowhere else.
They probably have something buried in the ToS that protects them from a situation like this.
@@anotheracc8292 Terms of Service isn't law. If a ToS breaks a law you can still take it to court. They just make them big long lists of legal jargon and pushing that they reserve the right to do all this stuff, but in reality it's a deterrent for people who would wanna take something to court. If a law is broken, no matter the NDA or ToS, any contract really, it's still a law that was broken. You can still take them to court over it.
So what really gets me is they say that no one lost their job because they aren't doing the pve thing. SO either they never had people that were working on it to fire or they were already fired moooonths ago. I have a sneaking suspicion they had stopped working on the pve side of ow2 for a long ass time and they are covering their asses by admitting to it at least by a few months.
From what I've seen in the interview article, apparently they stopped working on the PvE almost a year ago and are just telling people about it now.
@@Milkmouse1966 Makes sense. Lots of time to shuffle people around and or let them go.
Well, no. They obviously had people working on it because they had footage to show off and they had SOMETHING that was playable. And I don’t see why they’d be fired when they could just be put back on the regular team or be working on the scarce bits of PVE content that is gonna be coming. That last bit of what you said is pretty much accurate, though.
i love how every content creator is shitting on blizzard. Keep it coming guys we have to let them know how scummy they are!
youre coping if you think they care. Blizzard is a horrible company period. The only time they will ever listen is if they might get a lawsuit up their asses
Next job keep showing Ubisoft and Square Enix that there's no need for Blockchain in there games unless there's a valid use case and the game is worth playing. The latest figurines with digital souls is just depressing.
as long as people keep paying for cosmetics and justifying the broken games at launch and what not, ew can shit on them all we want, they'll keep doing it non-stop.
@@noskillzdad5504 you are right but i think if the whole community and content creators band togather and boycot this shit blizzard will suffer consequences. and they might even add pve at a later date. saw some examples of this on other games. Not exactly like this but developers and publishers actually correct their mistakes if the whole community agrees to boycott and their revenues suffer. This is a huge fuck up by blizzard and everyone is letting them know. I'm not even a huge overwatch gamer still this is unacceptable for me.
@@noskillzdad5504 If it makes them money, they will do it. Not sure why folks can't quite get this fact. I stopped buying anything from that shifty af company over a decade ago.
Really simple thought: If it makes them money, that's what they'll do. The most recent Diablow made all the development costs back within 2 days of release. Gosh, think they're going to repeat the idiocy? Naaaaaah.
Please.
The main reason they are dropping the initial announced pve is because they couldnt properly monetize it. They stated they have no problem adding pve to the seasonal content
My sincere condolences to the players who actually believed there was hope for overwatch 2....
As an IT and software dev... Overwatch 1 could've been fixed... They could've updated the engine no problem, fixed the balances, and still made the game fun...
But when OW "1.1" got announced, the only reason many of the OW fans are looking forward to is the PvE. And now it's gone as well...
I'd expect a massive amount of players leaving the game entirely, it's astonishing how badly Blizzard is mismanaging this IP.
@@ashurad_fox5991 I'm pretty sure Blizzard wanted to monetized Overwatch
Valve did an engine upgrade on Dota 2, playerbase took a hit because all of the bugs and stuffs, but Valve pull through, and after all of that was ironed out, they then took advantage of what Source 2 can do
Yeah, we're not really sure what's going on with Blizzard right now
@@ashurad_fox5991 it's ot like an engine update was even needed in the first place
What gets me is Aaron Keller in another interview said they made the decision to "pivot away from PVE Hero mode late last year", only 2 months after Overwatch 2 was released yet they waiting over 6 months to tell the community.
One can only guess that they were under orders from the executives to NOT release this information until after the end of the fiscal year.
It's so easy to avoid the AAA game industry lately.
Games either: release half finished, are full of monetization, are live services that dont live up to promises; or any combination of those.
Well, they could be melting your pc. Like new world in the begining.
I haven't played a "new" game released in the past six to eight years and don't feel like I've missed anything.
Ninja Kiwi is my only hope now
@@baconsoup8346 I have mixed feelings toward Valve, as a Portal fan and Team Fortress 2 fan
Literally PVE was the one thing I was looking forward to haha, don't get a chance to play much PVP so a somewhat single player experience would have been fun
I love how you can tell he’s obviously reading a prepared statement for the interview.
At this point the apology department is the busiest and most well funded part of most AAA studios.
Please elaborate, I'm not quite sure I get what you're saying
@@mapytrix3982He's saying that none of what he said was true and was just a script put together to sound like they actually are sorry
@@Krexel Ah, thanks
People really hating someone for just doing their job 🤦♂️
Of course it's a script, he's an individual speaking for a whole company. Of course the apology is worthless, it's from a company. The fact that it's off a script doesn't factor into that, and a pre-written apology can be just as meaningful, or even more meaningful than one you just spit out if it's written with real consideration.
The craziest thing about Overwatch is that when the game first launched back in 2016 or whenever it was, they actually had something special there. You could argue there were balancing issues as some heroes just wiped the floor with others, but that also created an environment which encouraged teamwork and coordination. Hero counters were a huge part of competitive strategy, identifying shifts in the opposing teams strategy and shifting your own as a team of six in response. Despite a lot of trash talk, early OW1 competitive was exciting and intense. Over time Blizzard made balancing changes that stripped away the things that made many heroes both lethal and fun to play, resulting in slower moving shielded teams with less hero swapping and matches hinging on the specifics of map design or, more likely, which team had members which would throw first. I played hundreds of hours and thousands of matches of OW1 during the first 2~ years of its life and watched as Blizzard targeted every single fun and exciting element of the game and destroyed it with uncanny precision.
When OW2 launched, I got back into it during Season 1 for a while. Most of the changes made between the time I stopped playing and OW2's launch were bad ones, what a surprise, but being the first time in years I'd played OW, I discovered that despite being a shell of what it once was, there was still fun to be had - it was just incredibly sporadic and tightly rationed amongst large stretches of frustration and dismay. Then Season 2 launched. I think I lasted all of 2 - 3 days. It's as if Blizzard sought out the worst things about OW2's balancing in Season 1 and dialled them up to 11. For instance, in Season 1, they made the ridiculous decision to turn Doomfist, previously a DPS, into a tank, but his abilities weren't retooled to compensate aside from some minor adjustments. Mostly they just nerfed his damage and buffed his health. This made him an absolutely abysmal tank and a crap DPS. Not to mention OW2 dropping the number of tanks in a team from 2 to 1 meaning that if your PUG group got a Doomfist, you were almost guaranteed to lose as none of your DPS or supports would have any kind of protection - Doomfist's abilities always best positioned him as a flanker, and a "tank" who is off on his own flanking the enemy team isn't tanking in any way, shape or form. Doomfist was always a problematic hero, but turning him into a tank was the second worst decision they made with him.
What was the first, you ask? In season 2, at least in the beginning (I quit within days, so I can't rightly speak for how this changed in the weeks following the season's launch,) they buffed his damage into the stratosphere. Now not only did he have a tank health pool, but he could effortlessly zoom across distances and one hit more fragile heroes. Because his abilities encouraged flanking, he was always circling around the enemy team alone, something that spelled sure defeat in Season 1 as it left his team vulnerable, but if Doomfist could slip behind the enemy team and one hit 2 - 4 members including the healers in the span of a few seconds, there was nobody left to hurt his team.
I played a lot of support in OW, and the few days I tolerated of Season 2 were the worst experience I'd had with the game period. Every team had a doomfist. Every match consisted of being one hit before my team even noticed the enemy doomfist was behind us (and, naturally, our own doomfist was off fisting enemy DPS and offering us no protection) and then running back to the team only for the same exact thing to happen again. Then some shitter with zero situational awareness would complain about a lack of healing in chat, oblivious to their own inability to provide their support with any protection. Bad players, DPS mains in particular, blaming supports for their own failings was a constant in OW since day zero, but by Season 2 of OW2, it was every single match. You'd have healers focusing on healing their team, constantly being picked off and yet still posting healing numbers in excess of 10 or 15k with more eliminations than both DPS being blamed for the DPS dying and failing to get kills. Meanwhile your teams Doomfist, because to reiterate, the tank role was doomfist 85%+ of the time at this point, was off fisting anyone he could find with a ravacious glee.
Season 1 had a lot of problems, but I still managed to enjoy myself despite a lot of frustration and misery. But the ridiculous decisions Blizzard made for Season 2 were honestly the best statement of intent and claim of capability I could ask for: the idiots making decisions in OW2 had absolutely no idea what they were doing, hadn't taken the time to actually think any of their decisions through or properly test them (if they had paid attention and/or given two shits, they would have seen shit was broken as fuck and not launched those changes), and would continue to run the game in such a way, which is to say straight into the ground. Yes, I quit when things were especially fucked. I'm sure patches in the coming weeks addressed those issues. But honestly, I'd seen enough. It was less about the state of the game and more about the competence of the developers and my faith in them. I found myself 110% certain that the overall trend in enjoyment and quality was on a steep decline despite moment to moment rises and falls. I wanted off the wild ride. And I got off. And I haven't looked back.
And all that is without even mentioning the MTX in OW2. It was so abhorrent that people were literally begging to have loot boxes back. Imagine that! You remove loot boxes and replace it with something so much worse that people want loot boxes back! "No baby, don't hurt me with the knife today, use your fists instead, please!" And now that the last bastion of hope that OW could be anything but a morbid disappointment, the PvE mode, has been shitcanned? Well... Overwatch is finished. And Blizzard. They're finished too.
I have no experience of OW2 and only a little of OW1 but I enjoyed reading that, thanks.
I will also agree that balance is in itself a balance; a good game has _drama_ - highs and lows, the unexpected and the mundane. Polishing away all the quirks and wackiness may make for a more competitively viable game (for the 1% engaging in that) but it rubs out its casual appeal (for the remaining 99%). World of Warcraft followed a similar arc: early expansions had weird and situationally absurdly powerful items and over time it was diluted to just being your class' three primary stats in a perfect 3:2:1 ratio. Balanced, perhaps, but also incredibly _boring_ .
@@williamdrum9899 not a team game. Pick DK in melee and no one cares. Pick widow in OW2 (or old hanzo) and 5 people are tilted and prolly telling everyone to go 0/1 irl.
The fact that OW forced players to play boring and hated champs to win didn't really help either.
Overwatch was never balanced.
I'm glad you weren't there to witness as the "player skill" levelling was ramped up over the course of the game's lifespan, starting around September 2017 when good FPS players suddenly had a lot of "netcode problems" to complain about.
I've stuck around the game just to watch how it hinders me more and more, as I get better and better and improve my setup.
But turns out I didn't even need to do that, they would disgrace themselves far more than "rampant anti-competitive practices in a (supposedly) competitive shooter" could achieve - all on their own!
Great news for the vengeful FPS sweatlord, horrendous news for anyone that wanted a cool PvE co-op game.
and no, you didn't miss anything since you quit, besides state-sponsored boosting of accounts to have the paper-thin excuse of "no, there aren't plat players in your top500 lobby, see - they're totally GM!!"
much to the expense of all the innocent plats who never asked to bomb high elo lobbies while helplessly getting farmed should they dare play the videogame
scummy scum PvP, with the scummest PvE cancellation on top
blizzy providing the whole circus!
Keep in mind they got RID OF the first game to force this version. and then the entire point OF the game is now not even happening.
But don't worry guys, those battle passes will be there and ready to go.
onlyfans the game?
And this is why I keep saying that if you don't own it in physical media, even if it's just ones and zeros on an external hard drive, you don't own it period.
Not only did they get rid of the original OW, they stopped making any meaningful content for it long before OW2 was "released". They let the game go stale, get legitimately boring. You can only play the same handful of maps for so long before you get bored and move on to other games. Without community made maps like TF2 has things get stale real fast. And when OW TOO came out, it was just insulting. The only other game that has pissed me off that badly was World of Warcraft and how insulting that game became in BFA. I had to walk away from both for my own mental health, games shouldn't make you that angry... they're for fun, they're an escape from the real world. There are so many other games out there that are more deserving and respectful of your time.
With all the plates they're trying to spin with the upcoming Diablo 4 I have no faith that it'll be done in a fun and respectful way. Charging for a full priced game (with deluxe and mega-deluxe versions available as is industry standard) and then having a battle pass and microtransactions on top of that is a pretty clear warning sign, as least in my opinion. Spend your money however you want, just maybe think twice before you pay blizz for anything these days. Spending so much time developing monetization platforms and framing them as a normal and great part of a game instead of just making a great game is not exactly consumer friendly.
@@tjenadonn6158 You also don't own any game that requires dedicated internet access to play. You like OW 1? Too fucking bad- you're playing 2 now or you're not playing at all. Didn't Activision Bizzard do this exact same thing with WoW Reforged, where the remake was shit and they forced players to update to it and not play the original game? Not to mention those servers aren't going to last forever. Meanwhile, not even Nintendo can say "we're stopping support on Melee- you have to play Ultimate now."
@@tjenadonn6158 if you had an OW cd they would still just do what they can to prevent you from playing. Because it is a multiplayer game.
Blizzard is morraly and creatively bankrupt for years but this is still new low.
They (and other companies) really need to be put back in their place for everything they've been so emboldened to pull over the past decade. This situation is textbook deceptive advertising and false marketing given they've pocketed cash and you're not getting early access to a mode any more with a product you purchased because they've decided to stop bothering to make it. No, I don't care what legal loopholes they've got written up in their impossible to comprehend terms and agreements to get out of delivering something you paid for. Would McDonald's get away with selling a set meal then suddenly not give you the main after you sat down and started eating because they wanted to pocket a few extra cents? No. It's ridiculous how much leeway they're given for anti-consumer and illegal practices.
We all know the only reason they pulled the PVE part was because they couldnt monetize it into oblivion like they do with everything else these days
Not disagreeing, but I was willing to spend money on skins and stuff if PvE was released.
Ive been playing overwatch for 6yrs and when they announced pve I knew it was never gonna happen. The only change that has happened is the game went from 6v6 to 5v5.
I mean they had been doing PvE content for while for certain events n stuff
@@zaferoph Smite (a moba) had some token pve content too.
But they didn't start making Smite 2, say its going to be a PvE game, and then fail completely after already taking millions of dollars
@@Dante3214 They also didn't take a paid game that you could get literally everything for free with enough play and replace it with a f2p freemium garbage cash grab that forces you to pay real money for heroes, let alone skins.
they removed all the stuns that killed the first game
@@Dante3214
1. Smite is objectively garbage. (Sinceike 2018-2019)
2. You're talking random shit that isn't relevant to anything said. All I was saying was that there was enough evidence of PvE "testing" to not completely discard the possibility of them going for deeper PvE.
3. The PvE in Smite is really light compared to the promised PvE in OW2 and I'm fine with accepting that there is a logistical reason for building a new game until proven otherwise.
Conclusion, you're being dumb.
Y'know, I didn't really think of it as a rug until I read the title of this video. Leave it to Blizzard to show these kids how a real rug pull works.
Developers didn't "choose" anything or "shift values," they just got told by the shareholders to focus on what already makes bank.
That's not how it works shareholder's hold no say in a public company, it is the board and CEO who answer to them when yearly revenue is due.
Should be allowed to sue them for false advertising by selling people something and then telling everyone they are not fulfilling the promise
It's Bobbys world, we are just living in it.
Bobby Gallywix always wins!
It’s crazy that everything they said they’d do was just what the game Battleborn launched with.
Truly disgraceful that the billion or trillion dollar company can copy 10% of battleborn and somehow destroy it so soundly they had to shut down their servers.
Yeah, I am sad for battleborn. Overwatch was never worth the hype
And now, no one gets to see what it was.
I have no sympathy for OW players. We warned them, they didn't listen.
You get what you fucking deserve.
Seriously. I really liked Battleborn, too.
I actually liked Overwatch 1 lootbox system. You could open then without anything special (like having to buy keys for real $ like in CSGO or Dota 2) and you would also get coins to buy the skins straight up if you wanted to. I remember having basically every skin I wanted back then, now in OW2 there's not a free option to get the skins you want, as far as I know.
There is, you can get coins by doing weekly/daily objectives.
But it's such a small amount of coins that you're literally going to grind for months for a single skin.
and that's how they've screwed the original purchasers of OW1. You used to be able to get whatever cosmetic you wanted if you were willing to play enough and deal with the rng. Now, it is literally pay for heroes and pay for cosmetics for a high price. It's a joke and a slap to the people who spent money on OW1.
Yeah, I don't get why people like Kira are noting it as a good change when the system that replaced it is many times more predatory and gives you less for just playing the game. They only hear the word "lootbox" and judge it as some evil gambling mechanic that players sunk tons of money into when you got loads of them just for free while playing, shows that they never played the game or know anything about its in-game shop.
@@DotCIsMe because just because you replace cow shit with dog shit doesn't mean its still not worse in every way.
They replaced a fomo casino with an overpriced store.
@@TheDapperDragon then, stop. Playing. The. Damn. Game
They went away with our money for the original OW. Gives us a free sequel which is basically the original but with "spruced things", microtransactions and no PVE in sight since day 1. Masterful 👏
the sus part should have been the "free" sequel. lol
They actually removed and broke a bunch of stuff in the process too
They basically ignored and let the originals community die to develop the same game slightly better looking with a few more maps (which the og needed) a few new heroes (which the original needed) 1 more mission type (which the original needed) a battlepass and microtransaction store so now you can't unlock everything by playing enough. So the same with worse monetization, slightly better looks and nothing much else.
@@LukasJampen They removed maps, gamemodes and a tank too lol
I was done after seeing that you'd have to buy new characters, the battle pass, and the Mei rework. Now I'm just here for the Blender stuff
> implying that anyone ever cared about anything other than the Blender stuff
A part of the reason they called a patch Overwatch 2 (in my opinion) was so they could actually sell characters. I remember a statement made around the launch of Overwatch which claimed post-release characters may be paid for which caused a massive backlash, so they said something to the effect of only doing it as an expansion type thing to placate people. BUT that technically gets wiped away when you release a "sequel", doesn't it?
What weasely marketing nonsense.
Company that makes the most iconic dungeon crawler pve experience, Diablo2 and currently developing pve experiences, states they cannot create a pve experience.
Well Diablo 2 was a long time ago. A lot gone wrong during all these years and blizzard ended up in this state we see now. Money comes first no matter what. Sadly.....
While I agree with the sentiment, I have to wonder if anyone from the Diablo 2 era is still working for Blizzard these days.
I can easily imagine that we're comparing two entirely separate groups of people that have very little in common.
Blizzard North made diablo 2 , gone now , this remaining abomination husk of a thing ABK is disgusting trash .
@@superscatboy probably not. From what I can tell, the old guards are pretty deeply entrenched in WoW departments. I would not be surprised if not a single senior member from those days ever worked on Overwatch.
Same thing with Doom and idSoftware. When Rage came out, there were an entirety of 5 people remaining from the original Quake release. By the time Doom 4 came out, this was further reduced by at least one more. These are NOT the same companies anymore by any stretch.
The company didn't make Diablo2, individual team members did, and those team members left a LONG time ago.
There's an excellent episode of Econ Talk from years ago about how even the most innovative/landmark corporations eventually grow big enough that they stop innovating and switch focus to maintaining a certain level of profitability and that often means they will inevitably slip into decline and get swallowed by their competitors.
This makes me even more upset about how Battleborn was treated
What I wasn't a fan of is them basically saying the fault lays with the fans/consumers for why PvE wont exist.
Diablo 4 is gonna be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
i hope. but i really dont think itll be the win they need
This.
I'm sure after milking fans with diablo immortal Blizzard gonna deliver on every expectation.
@@aidenkelly9641 we’ll have to wait and see I suppose, because from the beta it felt good, and the classes felt super unique but who knows if it’s going to have battlepasses and stuff
I'm just gonna stick with Torchlight 2
@@xNeoNxCyaN i dont mind battle passes but i am not on board with the mmo direction and massive online servers. blizzard isnt well known for running those well
I really miss OG Blizzard. When they delayed a game over and over again and you didn't care because you knew what you get would be a work of art and timeless. They were special, sad to see what has happened to them.
They said they're gonna re-remake reforged. Please don't. Just give me OG WC3 and revert all the bad changes to the WC3 servers. They clearly have shown they have no idea what they're doing. And now they're also putting WoW tokens into WotLK. They're really going out with a bang before Microsoft buys them, lol.
I'm glad this is being covered outside of OW content creators cause, as much as I love most of them, I'm already starting to see the shift to trying to 'understand Blizzard's point of view' and, as someone who was looking forward to PVE, I'm not ready to just let go of that frustration and anger just yet...
The worst part is that the loot boxes felt better than whetever the hell it is now. At least you got the boxes for free on a regular basis.
How to kill a franchise in one video.
Blizzard, dead since uhhh... When was Wrath of the Lich King?
What's wrong with wotlk?
idk why but my knee-jerk answer is 2005
Didn't wanna google it since I thought that'd be cheating.
@Ursa Prima I googled it. 2008.
I never thought id see Blizz saying "Game dev is really hard guys 😢" as an excuse
They've been using that excuse for years when you look at their other properties like WoW and HotS.
I would be insanely pissed off if I was working on a game then some suit threw away all the work I had put in.
Rug-pull is exactly what it is.
I wonder if someone lost their job over this. 2-3 years of a 80 person team’s manpower wasted … wow, expensive.
Here is a donation and my two-cents of an opinion. I am a Diamond-Master Hamster player, I have mixed feelings about all this. I never really cared for the PVE, as to me Overwatch will always be primarily a PVP game. That being said, it is still a shame that they went back on promises just like warcraft3 reforged.
At least I have Stormgate to look forward too. Hopefully Frostgiant can bring back the heart and soul of a Blizzard product without the baggage and idiotic decisions.
Best of luck man, keep enjoying your game while you can. Thanks for the tip
PvE was going to be my only reason to play Overwatch 2 but now that's gone so I have no reason to try it anymore lol
Gaming as an industry went from a niche activity to something of a significant subculture to a widely accepted and consumed product. And as such the corporate, smelling big profits grew on it.
If I were to guess a lot of the actual devs who wanted to make videogames and 10-15 years ago dreamed at working at Blizzard now do that as any other 8-5 job
And even from my recent personal experience I can tell, the higher you go on the corporate ladder the better the people at explaining their bullshit in a way that can trick you believing in it.
I don't know how to punish that.
At this point if you give blizzard money and play their games, YOU deserve this. IMO
Blizzard not delivering on their promises happens over and over.
It’s simple. Stop buying games that aren’t finished. Stop pre-ordering. Look at reviews. If the game isn’t free, then it better be finished. If it’s free, well decide if your time is worth the risk. Don’t buy skins or anything until the game is at a point you consider it worth it. Roadmaps and promises from money making machines mean nothing.
i just came out the shower, turned on my phone heard activision and wanted to take another shower
The most criminal part is that they were not making a game from scratch, they already had the foundation of the game working well. Also the other parts of the company are heavily focused on pve (WoW or Diablo) so they'd have access to documentation why pve things were designed in the way they were and could even ask for these reasons ppl working in these sectors. As you design pve content you can easily reuse pve assets to create pvp stuff (like buildings, materials or objects for creating pvp maps). With all these things you add on top of that they've had few years working on this.
This truly is an admission of incompetence of the Overwatch team.
I remember Blizzard showing off the OW2 announcement right after the blitzchung thing, and people instantly forgot about all of it. All because a corpo did the equivalent of dangling keys in front of peoples' faces.
I think it worked so well, they went "fuck, now we actually have to make it." and failed miserably.
The amount of people acting shocked at this is concerning on its own
This was the most unsurprising news in recent history, and some people are still acting like no one saw this coming
Oh how the mighty have fallen. I used to love blizzard, now I absolutely hate them. I've hated them for years but every day I'm surprised to learn something that makes me hate them even more... I even now hate anyone who pays and plays their games at this point...
I would rather they delay and deliver what they showed several years ago than get what they putting out. They Over promised and under delivered. This is not the Blizzard we once knew.
Ship of Theseus - Blizzard is just a name and none of the people who made it what it was are still around in any creative or business relevancy.
Seriously does NOBODY remember they promised PVE with story and rpg elements IN OVERWATCH 1?!#$ never delivered!
It took this long for it to come to light? hilarious... a literal memory hole it seems.
I bet what really happened is daddy Bobby, CEO Activision Blizzard, came into the office, screamed that they weren't making money currently because they were working on the single player and forced them to go live with Overwatch 1.5.
[Edit:] I didn't spend a dime on skins/lootboxes in Overwatch 1 and I found the free lootboxes they gave and currency you would get for dupes to buy skins you wanted was more generous than any game I have seen that have implemented systems like it. I had a ton of skins in Overwatch 1 including skins of the highest rarety tier. They would give you a free loot box for just simply playing the different gamemodes and it would reset (I forget the reset timer, but it was very generous, if I recall, it was a daily reset but I am not certain).
One of the biggest problems of OW2 is that it has basically zero progression. Neither general long term, nor moment-to-moment. In OW1 you always had a free lootbox just around the corner, or an icon border to earn. You got the skins, from th3 boxes and everyone was a happy camper.
OW2? Yeah, you have a paid battlepass with nothing in it but an ugly as sin ultimate skin at the end (all 3 were abysmal. Weebbait or coomerbait). Icon borders? Gone. They are toxic, just as toxis as end of game cards, the on fire effect or a working scoreboard.
The press release makes it sound like the devs are incompetent. That may have something to do with it, as they were given a deadline and didn't meet it, *but* was that deadline realistic to begin with? What anyone with a passing familiarity in the current-day games industry and late-stage capitalism in general should realize instantly is that "We couldn't get it done to Blizzard quality fast enough without making PvP suffer" is spin for "the executives made us cancel PvE because it was taking resources away from pushing loot boxes in the pursuit of infinite exponential profit growth."
@@yhormthemidget
Not even good coomerbait, either. Blizzard is too chicken shit to add body physics like Paladins.
Gamers complained a lot about loot box and even supported scam politicians to ban it. Congratulations, now you have a worse and more predatory system.
Bobby Gallywix might have to sell OW2 to the Department of Defense to data mine the ideal inputs for their latest death machines.
Nice camera filter on Mr X lol
Heroes of the Storm died for this…..
This shows even TF2 which was abandoned by Valve pretty much is still more taken care of than Overwatch..
It's insane how TF2 is getting literally nothing and yet is still better than overwatch being actively downgraded
What a disaster, the IP is already on a slow death.
I've seen so many videos pop up about this on my feed but I didn't watch any until Kira made one.
This is one of the Activision Blizzard moments of all time
As long as there is milk, there will be more😂
Grinding Gear Games is making new leagues for Path of Exile every three months while developing a massive sequel that is Path of Exile 2.
I find it hard to believe that Blizzard would not have enough resources to develop their live service and a PVE mode on the side.
Maybe Blizzard was not supposed to tell us that they would not be delivering on the PVE (or could take too long to deliver) but the devs insisted they had to tell their supporters - This is often the case in the cooperate world
I kind of love as well the fact that they put the responsability of that decision on the players.
This is really disgusting.
Jeff absent and the butchered of OW1 was already a sign to not support the game since the beginning.
So basically now it truly is just Overwatch 1 with less one character per team and different lightning on the same maps.
It's amazing that Blizard can make all of their game's community againt their own game
I'm glad I grew up playing Valve games instead of Blizzard games. At least Valve just stopped making games totally instead of becoming a pyramid scheme that preys on its consumers nostalgia.
Keep it up Kira, good stuff
This is music to my ears. I hope people who bought OW2 face more disappointment for their decisions.
Any interest I had in this game (I never played 2 yet) is just simply gone, now.
I'd say the difference between this and a rugpull is that a rugpull was the plan from the start.
I wonder if the PVE team was gutted by the "return to the office" decision..
Doubtful. Most teleworkers hired during the pandemic weren't anymore than low level staff
Yh,making ppl actually go to their workplace always slows work down💯🤦
And nothing of value was lost~
I think they delivered on that "Blizzard-quality experience" they were so worried about.
I was a top500 tryhard on OW, I literally put in like 300 hours per month, I absolutely loved that game! But I literally stopped playing a week into OW2 due to ranked and balance changes that I thought were unhealthy for the game, and there was a severe lack of content, funny that.
Aka you sucked at ranked lol.
Gotta love 5v5, where the enemy DPS just walks past the tank to kill the supports 9 out of 10 times
I played in GM-Top500 starting in S3 and quit halfway through S8 in OW1 playing mainly DVa, I put about 1200 hours into only her in that time. I did placements in OW2 and dipped immediately after, I have better things to do at this point ngl
Bruh that matt guy got a $10000 gaming pc just to process the beauty filters on his cam
I very much enjoy the amount of copium that Blizzard fanboys have to huff right now when they got stabbed by Blizzard yet again straight in the eyes. Keep buying the skins they will surely listen "eventually" lmao
I've been considering getting back into Overwatch, but now I will never, ever play it on principle.
I can't believe it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You need to take a look at the "SM2" custom COD project too, they just got shut down by Activision after 2 years of work.
I think the "over promise, under deliver" problem is prevalent in the gaming space. A good example of it done right is is the 2019 Battletech video game and kickstarter, where the devs consistently said to questions about adding x or y feature "We know what we can realistically get done in the amount of time and the amount of money we have, so that wont be in for lanuch if things are successful then maybe it can be DLC" even though they got much much more in funding than they expected.
Time and again studios tell us about their grand plans that are unrealistic and they cant deliver on it, we need to be treating projects with much more sscepticism.
So one of the biggest and most profitable gaming companies in the world can’t deliver a pve mode? Noted
Rug pull is fitting. I like the short and raw vids bro. You've come really far since BDO days. Im not even sure what was the first video I watched but I definitely subbed after one video. Might be the farming guide video or lifeskill related.
Thanks, that was a long time ago lmao !
They also added a new premium currency and made the old one virtually useless. And locked out anyone too poor to afford anything other than a prepaid phone plan. Added a new tier of skin that only added the special effect of emptying your wallet faster.
I haven't forgotten about reforged. Never again will they see a dollar from me.
The reality behind it was ActiBlizzard executives and other higher ups said "How can we charge for things we said would always be included in the retail price people have already paid? I know, let's promise a bunch of content to justify adding a 2 on the end."
Now, for me personally, I only really started playing after OW2 came out. I bought it ages ago in OW1 era, but never got into it, but I specifically remember I paid £25 and it was meant to be 'all content inclusive'. It's what put it above all of the competitors which went with a more freemium method. This is not something they can monetize, so it had to go. That's how I see it 100% and always have. It's once more Blizzard completely screwing their fanbase, but at least at this point we all expect it.
I gave up on Blizzard years ago, so this this news was hardly unexpected but ironically funny.
The only shocking thing to me is that there are people who still have any hope for Blizzard in spite of everything else that has happened.
The real rugpull was overwatch. If you didn’t learn from that then it’s your own fault.
The gameplay for overwatch 1 is actually fun. I didn't like the lootboxes and the companies decisions.
I still feel that Overwatch truly died when Jeff Kaplan left, the game wasn't that great before he left, but after he left it got significantly worse.
Honestly, if I had to choose between the frat-bro culture of the past that produced amazing, culturally-impactful games, or the modern DEI, "Diversity Spectrum Tool" that consistently fumbles the bag and milks their audience of all goodwill and money...
So you don't care about sexual assaults as long as it benefits you and you blame the terrible decisions on diversity? Okay buddy...
Diablo 3 kind of set precedence for this. They cancelled arena in Diablo and that was something that was promised and was big in their marketing. Now they think they can do it every time. It's only going to get worse
At least the porn is still good.
My man